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Speaker 1: Modern warfare.

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Speaker 2: The wild thing is if you go back to World

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Speaker 2: modern warfare, modern for its time. And something that's always

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Speaker 1: How fast warfare changes.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of World War two battleships, what's cooler than a battleship? Right,

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Speaker 2: And before World War Two, battleships were everything. And world

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Speaker 2: War Two, yes they were used, but battleship not near

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Speaker 2: as important as an aircraft carrier. If I have an

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Speaker 1: But fast forward to today.

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Speaker 2: We've had recently two major conflicts, one still going on

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Speaker 2: in the globe Russia Ukraine is Rio Gaza. I want

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Speaker 2: to know how those wars were fought. I want to

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Speaker 2: know the advance dances in technology. We have AI now

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Speaker 2: or at least I want some idea what future wars

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Speaker 2: will look like. And the reason I'm fascinated by this

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Speaker 2: is when I look back at all these other wars

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Speaker 2: that we fought throughout history, it seems that major powers

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Speaker 2: their pants down because they weren't quite ready for the

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Speaker 2: new thing in warfare. So what is the new thing?

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Speaker 2: You can say, well, we fought in Iraq, we fought

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Speaker 2: in Afghanistans twenty years ago. Things have changed, all right,

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Speaker 2: and things have change tomorrow. We thought it would be interesting,

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Speaker 2: how have these wars been going, What does the future

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Speaker 1: Well, as I.

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Speaker 2: Mentioned in the Open War, changes have you Anybody who's

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Speaker 2: read any history at all about the history of warfare

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Speaker 2: when you find yourself in a new conflict. And we've

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Speaker 2: in the case of Russia Ukraine recently and I have

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Speaker 1: War is so emotional.

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Speaker 2: All you get is this person's propaganda and that person's

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Speaker 2: probably I just want to know what's happening. I want

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Speaker 2: what's happening in Russia Ukraine. Joining me now, somebody who

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Speaker 2: can actually give that to us John Spencer, executive director

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Speaker 2: of the Urban Warfare Institute. John, before we get to

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Speaker 2: the conflicts, tell us about you.

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Speaker 3: Sure well, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 4: Jesse So I spent twenty five years in the US

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's dig into that right now before we

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Speaker 2: get into these other two conflicts, specifically urban warfare. I've

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Speaker 4: Why it's a great question, and I have I actually

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's so hard.

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Speaker 4: Across the evolutions of warfare, really, I mean, urban warfare

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Speaker 4: the objective has always been urban. But we don't have

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Speaker 4: it's so hard. But the simple answer, Jesse, why urban

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Speaker 4: It's where the military doesn't want to go because it's

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Speaker 4: US forces, marines and others have annotated that in the archives.

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Speaker 4: But really it's so hard because it's where the restrictions

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Speaker 3: And that's what we've.

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Speaker 4: Seen as we've seen major peer on peer or non

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Speaker 4: Ukrainian War. So there's a long list of reasons, Jesse,

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Speaker 1: Then let's go to Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: other conflict we will get to eventually. It's just I

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Speaker 1: It's hard to get accurate information.

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Speaker 2: You have all propaganda from here, in propaganda from there,

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Speaker 2: and this country's propaganda. I want to know what the

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Speaker 2: lessons have we learned as Russia and Ukraine have been

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Speaker 1: John, the floor is yours.

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Speaker 4: So it I mean to summarize the problem you with

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Speaker 4: the ground immediately after the Russians were defeated at Kiev,

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Speaker 4: then we might not be having the war we have now.

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Speaker 4: You might have an urban insurgency or something like that.

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Speaker 4: But Russia invaded Ukraine in twenty twenty two with over

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Speaker 4: two hundred thousand forces. That sounds like a lot, but

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Speaker 4: if you really look at the force ratio is required

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Speaker 4: that is present, which most militaries discount, resist help or.

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Speaker 3: Be neutral and just hide.

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Speaker 4: That's what we saw in the first six months or

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Speaker 4: so of the wars that Russia attempted a kupd ata.

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Speaker 3: It tried to take Ukraine as a nation.

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Speaker 4: To include the President's statement, so a lot of people

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Speaker 4: illegitimate government, to denouncify it whatever. As an analyst as

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Speaker 3: Your allies do matter.

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Speaker 4: The fact that Ukraine has over fifty allies Russia has

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Speaker 2: All right, John, I have a feeling you and I

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Speaker 1: The emotions around it. John, once again, my show is yours.

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Speaker 1: What happened in Gaza?

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Speaker 4: So what happened in Gaza is somebody who studies urban

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Speaker 4: type of combat power, so they did it methodically, area

438
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Speaker 4: by area and surprisingly despite that, underground cities, despite the

439
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 4: fact that every neighborhood is a trap basically of IEDs

440
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,959
Speaker 4: and cachets and fighters popping suicidal fighters popping up everywhere.

441
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 4: This is what the Idea faced on a day to

442
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Speaker 4: day basis. They still succeeded using very creative tactics, techniques, procedures,

443
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 4: but also just resolve to destroy the Hamasa's military. Now

444
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: Hamas is also an ideal, but from a military perspective,

445
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 4: Hamasa's military doesn't exist anymore. There's no leadership that was

446
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 4: a part of October six that's still alive.

447
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: There may be one brigade commander.

448
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 4: I think is that most of the formations can't conduct

449
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 4: military operations at all, not organized as they went into

450
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 4: gerrilla warfare during the war, which is not surprising. But yes,

451
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 4: they've increased the recruitment, but this goes back to what

452
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 4: are the tactics of Hamas. Of course, the tunnel warfare

453
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 4: is the tactics, but also the deployment of child soldiers.

454
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 4: The average Hamas recruit right now is fifteen to sixteen.

455
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 4: The use of human shields, the use of information operations,

456
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 4: which is really what we've seen, not new as well,

457
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 4: it's just the amount of production of media that Hamas does,

458
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 4: the daily counting of anybody who's died for any reason,

459
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 4: and blaming on Israel, but also just make up numbers

460
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 4: and statistics and statistical warfare. But despite all of that,

461
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 4: Israel has actually had a lot of success. I mean,

462
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 4: as we're talking, there's one hostage body remaining in Gaza.

463
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 4: Hamas doesn't have a military as a course of power

464
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 4: over the population for now, it doesn't have a vast

465
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 4: array of supplies. It's been cut off. The Egypt border

466
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 4: has been sealed. But what's been surprising about this whole war,

467
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 4: unlike even Ukraine war, because Russians attacked mary Opal and

468
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 4: attacked hospitals and everything, the population of course moved and

469
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 4: had a way to move and then moved into other countries.

470
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 4: Has been the misinformation about the war in Kaza. You're right,

471
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 4: we shouldn't do emotions. That's normal in this evolution of

472
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 4: the history. Of urban warfare too. There's never been a battle,

473
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Speaker 4: let alone a war that's been fought at this amount

474
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 4: of transparency or even propaganda misinformation capability because of TikTok

475
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: and other algorithm driven mediums of that Hamas fed so

476
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 4: Maas had like Hamas, that wing of its military, the

477
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 4: propaganda wing that had Hollywood crews that would go out

478
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 4: and create capture they call it Gaza Wood or Pollywood

479
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 4: and create scenarios of dead bodies either real or not,

480
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 4: of starvation and everything, and feed the algorithm based on

481
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 4: what was trending. That's unique in war, while information operation

482
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 4: has always been their war.

483
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: But you know, war is hell.

484
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 4: War is awful, destruction and killing and no matter how

485
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 4: many civilians you try to get out of harm's ways,

486
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 4: civilians and other young women, children, everything. Had other wars

487
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 4: been fought like the Korean War where two million civilians

488
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 4: died in thirty seven months, that's fifty four thousand civilians

489
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 4: a month, every month of the war and just awful scenes.

490
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 4: Had that been fed to the phones of every living individual, billions,

491
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 4: wars might have went in a different direction. So that

492
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 4: there is an Israeli standard to war. That aspect of

493
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 4: the information operations, and everybody's saying, well, look at this

494
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 4: dead body, John Spencer, what do you say about this

495
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 4: dead child right here?

496
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: Like that? I say that's terrible.

497
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 4: I also say that the algorithm is now driving every

498
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 4: one of those images to you, and not all of

499
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 4: those are real. But this is the unique Not only

500
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 4: is there a misinformation, there's an access to this war

501
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 4: at a scale again unprecedented in the urban environment that

502
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 4: nobody's seen, which has led to emotions being fed by

503
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: real concern but also being fed by misinformation, disinformation and

504
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 4: all this other unique creative things of like trying to

505
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 4: use statistical warfare, but you were saying how many people died,

506
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 4: irrelevant whether they were particular participating in the hostilities, whether

507
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 4: you call them a combatant or just involved or not,

508
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 4: or their age, their sex, and just trying to fight

509
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 4: these moral equivalency war against Israel, who of course has

510
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 4: the legitimate right to defend itself, to retrieve its hostages,

511
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 4: but also to execute the war in a very just, humane,

512
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 4: law abiding way. But then for the entire kind of

513
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 4: global misinformation thing to try to say they're not even

514
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: when they don't have the access to the information, which

515
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 4: is really again.

516
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Speaker 3: Where I came in is like I don't want to

517
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 3: listen to anybody.

518
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 4: I want to see it from my own eyes and

519
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 4: bed with the idea and see what's going on.

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00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: John.

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Speaker 2: That was freaking awesome man. Thank you brother. I wish

522
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Speaker 2: I could keep you for longer. I appreciate you very much.

523
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Speaker 2: We're not done yet. We have someone else next. Let

524
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Speaker 2: me lay this out for you three months, ninety days.

525
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Speaker 2: What if in three months you could have great energy

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Speaker 2: all day long, not just in the morning after a

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Speaker 2: night's sleep. I'm talking after launch too, when you want

528
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Speaker 2: to take a nap of it. What if you just

529
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Speaker 2: felt good at work all the time. You're not staring

530
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Speaker 2: at the clock. I can't wait to get What if

531
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Speaker 2: you just felt good all day long? I'm telling you

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Speaker 2: right now. A chalk Male Vitality stack or female Vitality

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Speaker 2: every single day. It has changed my life. I'm better

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Speaker 2: at work, I'm better at home on the weekends. I

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Speaker 2: don't want to lay around. It's just so nice and

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Speaker 2: to do it without needles in your arm or pills

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Speaker 2: or something. Try it ninety days is all I'm asking.

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Speaker 1: Try it.

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Speaker 2: Chalk dot Com, slash Jesse TV. The future of warfare

542
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: as we've been talking about. I find it to be

543
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: fascinating horrifying, of course, but I'd like to try to

544
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: know what might be coming. Joining me now somebody who's

545
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: all over this stuff, Open source intelligence analyst Ryan McBeth

546
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: would highly highly recommend his YouTube channel if you nerd

547
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: out on this stuff like I do. Ryan McBeth Programming, Ryan,

548
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: I can't help it.

549
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm a huge nerd for this stuff.

550
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: I look back at past wars and I see how

551
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: things change and it gets people.

552
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: Killed, and you're all over this stuff. In fact, you

553
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: have a video out, Yes.

554
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: I watched it talking about how war in twenty twenty

555
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: six does it look like what you think it will

556
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: look like?

557
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: What do you mean?

558
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

559
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

560
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 5: I mean we tend to think of conflict in the

561
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 5: terms of people shooting at each other, but there is

562
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 5: another type of conflict, the Gerassimov doctrine or hybrid war.

563
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 5: This is something that Russia pioneered where they use lawfare,

564
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 5: legal methods, they use information warfare, and they use different

565
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 5: kinds of kinetic actions to create effects on target. And

566
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 5: good example is let's say you don't want to send

567
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 5: you don't want the US sending one hundred and fifty

568
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 5: five millimeter shells to Ukraine. Well, one way of preventing

569
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 5: that might be to use a bomber and launch a

570
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 5: cruise missile against the factory in Scranton, Pennsylvania. That would

571
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 5: be a way of.

572
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: Destroying the factory.

573
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 5: And now you can't send one hundred and fifty five

574
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 5: milimeters artillery shells to Ukraine, but that would get the

575
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 5: United States involved in a war with Russia, and Russia

576
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 5: doesn't want that because we would probably end it in

577
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 5: about thirty six hours. So what you could also do

578
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 5: is put information out on social media and say half

579
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 5: of all one hundred and fifty five millimeter shells are

580
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 5: actually going to cartels in Mexico. Ukraine is selling them

581
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 5: to these cartels. Now I haven't seen any cartels one

582
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty five millimeter cannons, but.

583
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: If enough people believe it, they call.

584
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 5: Their congressman, and the congressman gets or prevents more shells

585
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 5: being sent to Ukraine. So the effect is the same,

586
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 5: which is why I've always said information warfare is a

587
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 5: weapons effector.

588
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 2: I love that, although it does terrify me, especially when

589
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 2: I consider and I'm learning more about this stuff from

590
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 2: my kids. I'm technology stupid, but every day they tell

591
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: me about there's some new app, there's some new thing,

592
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 2: and I'm serious. There's always something new that I'd never

593
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: heard of before. There's so much information, so many social

594
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: media sites out there. It is scary to think about

595
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: bad regimes figuring out ways to weaponize it.

596
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: But they're all in on this, aren't they, I believe.

597
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 5: So right now I am looking for information. I have

598
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 5: software running on Renee Nicole Good, who is the woman

599
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 5: who was shot by ice agents in Minneapolis. And what's

600
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 5: kind of interesting is that a very specific word keeps

601
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 5: popping up, the word legal observer, And so I've been

602
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,959
Speaker 5: tracking that word and seeing who is repeating the word

603
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 5: legal observer, because it sounds like that is something that

604
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 5: is scripted, and that might be scripted internally, or there

605
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 5: may be external influencers such as Russia or China or

606
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 5: Iran that are trying to get Americans angry at each other.

607
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 5: And the word legal observer kind of sounds like someone

608
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 5: who's holding up a cell phone and auditing the police,

609
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 5: you know that kind of thing. And if everyone is

610
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 5: on the same page, well, that kind of tells you

611
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 5: that someone has either seated this information or is directing

612
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 5: this information. And there is a term that I callkership,

613
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 5: And I've often said that there are some people in

614
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 5: Congress that practice likership, not leadership. And that is when

615
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 5: they say they give their hot take on Twitter or

616
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 5: on whatever, people like their comments. They go, oh, yes,

617
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 5: I must be really smart because people liked my comment.

618
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 5: I got a thousand likes on this and getting that like,

619
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 5: getting that validation is a very powerful incentive for a

620
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 5: lot of people. So if someone sees the word legal

621
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 5: observer trending, they might think, oh, that might get me

622
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 5: a lot of likes too. And now this information keeps

623
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 5: flowing and flowing, and more and more people could get fooled.

624
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Speaker 2: Told you this guy was fascinating, Ryan. What are semiconductors?

625
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: It sounds like something I would hold up to get

626
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: lightning to strike it. What are they and why should

627
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: I care?

628
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 5: Well, I can say microchips.

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Speaker 3: Right.

630
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 5: So, Taiwan, and one of the reasons that we're very

631
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 5: interested in defending Taiwan. We just sold them more high

632
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 5: mars systems, more missile systems. Semiconductors are in the device

633
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 5: that I'm talking to you on right now. My camera

634
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 5: is an old iPhone. My computer has semiconductors. My cell

635
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 5: phone right here has semiconductors in it. This microphone that

636
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 5: I'm using has semiconductors. So if we enjoy our American

637
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 5: way of life with all sorts of tech, I mean,

638
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 5: my washing machine plays a little song when it's done. Now,

639
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 5: that isn't an advanced semiconductor that you might find in

640
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 5: a computer, but it is still a semiconductor and Taiwan

641
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 5: produces ninety percent of semiconductors that are used by technology

642
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 5: that we have in our computers that we use in

643
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 5: our everyday life. So having semiconductors and the ability to

644
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 5: manufacture semiconductors is crucial for defending your nation. Semiconductors today

645
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 5: are the steel of World War Two.

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Speaker 1: So how many do we make?

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Speaker 5: We don't make that many. Taiwan makes about ninety percent

648
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 5: of our advanced semiconductors. I can't really give you a

649
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 5: number in the millions. We just recently opened up a fab,

650
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 5: or we're starting to open up a fab, and I

651
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 5: belie believe it was Arizona that was an Intel fab,

652
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Speaker 5: and I think in Nvidia wants to man create a

653
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 5: fab here as well. That was part of the Chipsack

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Speaker 5: which was a bipartisan act that was passed to kind

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Speaker 5: of subsidize that. The problem is that it takes a

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Speaker 5: lot of startup time and a lot of skill, and semiconductors,

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Speaker 5: when you look at how they're manufactured, it is incredibly

658
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Speaker 5: labor intensive, incredibly water intensive, incredibly power intensive, and it's

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Speaker 5: not easy. People have said that some of the semiconductor

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Speaker 5: manufacturing machines from ASML, which is a Dutch company, that

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Speaker 5: there's explosives inside the fabs in Taiwan, So if the

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Speaker 5: Chinese invade, they'll just cut off the you know, set

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Speaker 5: off the explosives and destroy the building. And you can

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Speaker 5: probably stop semiconductor manufacturing by just blowing on the machine

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Speaker 5: wrong because these machines are highly calibrated, and ASML contractors

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Speaker 5: they fly to Taiwan periodically and they maintain the machine.

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Speaker 5: So if you shut down the machine and correctly, you

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Speaker 5: might not be able to start it up again with

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Speaker 5: an SML contractor coming over and rewiring the machine, checking

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Speaker 5: it to make sure it's okay. So Sunday. Conductors are

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Speaker 5: incredibly important to America's wartime strategies and our ability to

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Speaker 5: build weapons.

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Speaker 2: They need a lot of water, so we put it

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Speaker 2: in Arizona. Okay, that makes a lot of sense, all right, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Drone capability, Obviously, drones are something that even normies know

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Speaker 2: about drones and how much drones are being used in

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Speaker 2: places like Russia, Ukraine. My interest is in countering them. Eventually,

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Speaker 2: every weapons system gets a counter to it. What is

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Speaker 2: the counter to drones? Is there one yet?

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Speaker 5: Well, there's a number of different counters to drones. The

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Speaker 5: first is electronic warfare. You're jamming the signal that that

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Speaker 5: drone is using to be controlled. So if I set

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Speaker 5: off off a drone, I fly that drone. I can

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Speaker 5: use electronic warfare to override that signal and the drone

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Speaker 5: will theoretically.

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Speaker 1: Fall out of the air.

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Speaker 5: Another way is with anti drone jammers that are handheld.

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Speaker 5: In that case, I point a thing it looks like

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Speaker 5: a gun, I pointed out the drone, and I pull

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Speaker 5: the trigger and I essentially send every single shutdown code,

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Speaker 5: every single transmitted shutdown code in memory to that drone.

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Speaker 5: Eventually the correct one hits and that drone shuts down

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Speaker 5: and falls out of the sky. Then there's other kinds

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Speaker 5: of interceptors, such as you can use counter drone drones,

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Speaker 5: and these drones will either crash into the drone directly,

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Speaker 5: shoot at the drone with essentially a modified shotgun, or

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Speaker 5: fire a net at that drone. The net method might

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Speaker 5: actually be a good way for police to take down drones.

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Speaker 5: Well that's a little shaky because the FAA considers drones

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Speaker 5: to be aircraft, So imagine the police shooting down an aircraft.

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Speaker 5: The FCS or the fa doesn't really have a consider

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Speaker 5: a difference. And of course the fourth way would be

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Speaker 5: through kinetic action, shooting it down with missiles or shooting

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Speaker 5: it down with gunfire, and there's issues with that. If

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Speaker 5: you're using a regular missile. Many of those missiles are

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Speaker 5: extremely expensive. If you fire one hundred thousand dollars missile

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Speaker 5: at a twenty thousand dollars drone, you're on the losing

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Speaker 5: end of that economic equation. And if you shoot it

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Speaker 5: a drone with a gun, I mean, that's great, but

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Speaker 5: you might not be able to hit it and that

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Speaker 5: bullet has to come down somewhere. So really, the most

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Speaker 5: effective way of countering drones is using other drones.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, I want a drone that shoots nets so bad now, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, brother, I appreciate it as always, come back

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Speaker 2: soon please, all right?

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Speaker 1: Final thoughts next. I love chips.

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Speaker 2: Everyone who knows me would describe me as not just

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Speaker 2: being a rogue guy, a chip guy.

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Speaker 1: I just have a chip freak.

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Speaker 2: But that's a problem, you see, because I'm also forty

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Speaker 2: four and I'm not twenty four anymore, and chips generally

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Speaker 2: are terrible for you. I've always been that guy gas

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Speaker 2: station grabbing some chips, grocery store grabbing some chips. Can't

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Speaker 2: do that anymore. Have you read the ingredients? Have you

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00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: read the ingredients on the back of your chip bag?

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Speaker 1: Horrifying? So what to do? What to do? I'm not

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Speaker 1: giving up chips. I don't have to give up chips.

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Speaker 2: I have massive chips, now, massive chips, chips I can

729
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Speaker 2: eat gilt free. Look at the back of a bag

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Speaker 2: of massive chips, no seed oil, fils, tallows corn, and

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Speaker 2: they're fantastic to crunch. They're so crunching. You want a

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00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: perfect snap bag of massive chips. Little thing of hot Sauce,

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Speaker 2: Little dab on there all you need go try them

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Speaker 2: Massive chips, dot com slash JESSETV. War is terrifying, but

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Speaker 2: it's also interesting. Let's be honest. We're interested in it.

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Speaker 2: I am, you are, and.

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Speaker 1: Not just the past, the future.

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Speaker 2: When the next major war breaks out, and there's always

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Speaker 2: going to be one, what is it going to look like.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad we're a little bit smarter now than we

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Speaker 2: were an hour ago. This is not the last time

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Speaker 2: we're going to do something like this. Because I geek

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Speaker 2: out on it. I know you geek out on it,

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Speaker 2: but I enjoyed it, and we'll do it again.

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Speaker 1: Let's see it