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Speaker 5: twenty one, episode number fourty three. Welcome to the latest

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Speaker 5: the show. Got a lot we got to get into today.

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Speaker 5: A couple injuries got added to insult this yesterday, and man,

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Speaker 5: I don't know how.

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Speaker 2: I feel about these.

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Speaker 5: We already knew about Ceedee Lamb and his high ankle sprain.

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Speaker 5: We're going to take some time and later on in

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Speaker 5: this segment to talk a little bit more about CD

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Speaker 5: and what this injury means to the Cowboys. But I

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Speaker 5: want to start first with injury that I just found

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Speaker 5: out about yesterday, Tyler Booker high ankle sprain. I saw

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Speaker 5: him after the game in the locker room. I didn't

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Speaker 5: notice anything.

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Speaker 6: To twenty seven in the fourth Yeah, I went back

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Speaker 6: and saw that got rolled up on. Yeah, exactly, and

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Speaker 6: then talking to people in the organization about it, it

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Speaker 6: was sometimes you can walk these things off and play

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Speaker 6: and continue to play, which he did, and then the

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Speaker 6: next day you can't walk. And that's what happened with

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Speaker 6: here that he fought through it at the you know,

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Speaker 6: and end went back in the locker room, and then

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Speaker 6: they flew home, you guys flew home and Monday morning

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Speaker 6: it just wasn't able to go. So that's but he

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Speaker 6: got he definitely got rolled up on and managed to

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Speaker 6: just battle through. A matter of fact, got rolled up again.

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Speaker 6: Actually a little bit later there was a play where

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Speaker 6: he got hit again on it maybe hurt him a

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Speaker 5: Have we found anything about the timing. I've heard a

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Speaker 5: lot of different things. I think the timings they want

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Speaker 5: to get between him and CD.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, usually with.

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Speaker 5: A high ankle spring. You kind of look, you still

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Speaker 5: know several weeks.

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Speaker 8: But the problem is not the problem. Maybe the blessing

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Speaker 8: here is that you're dealing with two guys that are

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Speaker 8: extremely tough. And when you talk about Lamb played with

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Speaker 8: a bad shoulder the whole year, you know, and he

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Speaker 8: just kept fighting through. And you know, these guys they

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Speaker 8: know how to rehab, and they know how to get back,

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Speaker 7: So I didn't you.

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Speaker 8: Know, sometimes you get, oh it's four to six weeks.

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Speaker 8: Oh it's six to eight weeks. These two guys, I

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Speaker 5: a lot of this has to do with pain tolerance,

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Speaker 2: But as you said, Brian, he's a tough guys.

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Speaker 5: The chances that maybe they can't come back, and they

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Speaker 5: So maybe all those things being considered, maybe they're on

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Speaker 9: The one thing I don't want to lose, Brian is

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Speaker 9: out to the Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: They covered their rear.

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Speaker 9: Brian Ross, you always say, hey, you know you you know,

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Speaker 9: so many of these veteran offensive linemen. They're drafting these guys,

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Speaker 9: You know, luckily for us just knock on some woods somewhere.

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Speaker 9: That's not one of those long injuries. So now you

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Speaker 7: It may be.

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Speaker 9: I'm you know, I've been hearing TJ. Bass as you know,

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Speaker 8: Think he played the most in the preseason, him and

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they played together.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, but just you know, there's this one player just

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Speaker 7: Hey when did he And it is Nate Thomas.

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Speaker 9: Nate Thomas was drafted as a guard type character and

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Speaker 9: so he can pretty much, I would assume, play everything,

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Speaker 9: importantly Brian, he's powerful, powerful, So if you want to

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Speaker 10: basically what I'm trying to say they're gonna go with

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Speaker 10: T J. Bass, he has the most experience in this offense.

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Speaker 10: But Nate Thomas, he's another. He's another guy who has

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Speaker 9: You know, we always talk about years left contract. You know,

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Speaker 9: You can you know, you know Jerry Jones. You know, hey,

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Speaker 9: Jerry said something. You know he may lie to you

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Speaker 9: I asked the question about that Nat is hanging around

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Speaker 7: Out for Derek.

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Speaker 8: How much do we need to know about Trevor Keegan? See,

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Speaker 5: Now I agree, I think Nate Thomas, I'll just go

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Speaker 5: haven't really seen him play guard. I've seen him play tackle.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, could be.

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Speaker 9: But the only thing that will make me not think

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Speaker 9: So you don't want to bring in brand new character.

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Speaker 9: The probably hasn't been here. Ay Hoffin's been here two years,

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Speaker 5: Like they just think he's not gonna be a starter,

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Speaker 10: I'm freaking out, I am, I am, because you mentioned

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's all fair. But would I would

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Speaker 9: Weeks, I think the biggest difference is when you put

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Speaker 3: I think that's the biggest difference.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree with that.

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Speaker 2: It was who they were playing.

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Speaker 3: They playing, it was who they're playing.

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Speaker 2: All right, Brian, let's go inside your brain? What you

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I've got I've got you.

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Speaker 12: I don't want to know. Please take me out.

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Speaker 7: And I'll start with you.

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Speaker 7: Oh God, I'll start with you AG on this one.

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Speaker 8: Do you still have flashbacks at the playoff loss to

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Speaker 10: I still don't know what happened in that game. So yes, Brian,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Derek, you know it's funny when you said that,

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Speaker 5: one of the moments that because of proximity to Yeah,

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Speaker 5: because of proximity, we saw it happen.

446
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Speaker 2: And immediately at the end, was it you are or Dave?

447
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Speaker 2: That was like, Helmer're about to call They're about to

448
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Speaker 2: call this or not?

449
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Speaker 8: Hillman said, he goes, they're gonna review this and they're

450
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Speaker 8: gonna overturn it.

451
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Speaker 7: And then I put him in a choke hold. Yeah,

452
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Speaker 7: I just grabbed him and no, no, it's not gonna happen.

453
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Speaker 5: And I literally I hadn't even thought. I hadn't even

454
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Speaker 5: thought it wasn't a catch. I was just like, oh,

455
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Speaker 5: he made the catch. Great, this awesome. I was an

456
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Speaker 5: awesome catch. And then Dave put it into the universe

457
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Speaker 5: like yeah, yeah, Kirth, you wanted to challenge all year.

458
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Speaker 7: That was the only one he ever won. So how

459
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Speaker 7: about you? About you?

460
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Speaker 8: What's your thought about kid? Could do you have flashbacks?

461
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Speaker 8: And do you believe that that probably could happen again?

462
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Speaker 10: Man?

463
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Speaker 3: This the this is the weird part, Brian.

464
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Speaker 9: The Cowboys doing knowing stuff like this all the time,

465
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Speaker 9: Like they'll lose to the Bears, but they'll beat Green

466
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Speaker 9: Band week four, but they'll play them again in the

467
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Speaker 9: postseason and lose horribly. Like that's just what the Cowboys do.

468
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Speaker 9: I was watching film on them last night, just getting

469
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Speaker 9: ready for all the shows and you know, for the

470
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Speaker 9: you know things that we're going to do here on

471
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Speaker 9: the break, I was like, man, tug a crab run

472
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Speaker 9: a wide open, like he did you know that one

473
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Speaker 9: time or the tight end did at one time versus him. Boy, man,

474
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Speaker 9: they just let Wicks run right past later that one time.

475
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Speaker 9: So I mean, you you see it, and it's hard

476
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Speaker 9: to miss it. You know, if you're you know, superstitious

477
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Speaker 9: at all, then you is just gonna walk into this

478
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Speaker 9: thing with a with a with a bad vibe. But

479
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Speaker 9: there's a Homer inside of me, Brian that says that

480
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Speaker 9: this team is going to act weird like versus bad teams,

481
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Speaker 9: but they gonna be really locked in versus good teams,

482
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Speaker 9: like like that's a that's a possibility, but you know

483
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Speaker 9: we had to see.

484
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Speaker 8: Yeah, how about this one, Derek, how interested are you

485
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Speaker 8: in seeing jan Ye Thomas and Marquise Bell play at safety?

486
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Speaker 5: I am interested in seeing y Ye Thomas, not so

487
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Speaker 5: sure about Bell. And here's why. I think if you

488
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Speaker 5: put Bell out there to replace presumably Donovan Wilson, I

489
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Speaker 5: think the skill set is the same. So if they're

490
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Speaker 5: gonna ask Belle to do what they've asked Wilson to do,

491
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Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be the same result. If they're

492
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Speaker 5: gonna move him down and actually play him closer to

493
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Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage, then my thought would be keep

494
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Speaker 5: Donovan Wilson in there, because I think Donovan Wilson is

495
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Speaker 5: a better player if you're asking him to do the

496
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Speaker 5: things that he does best, which is make plays closer

497
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Speaker 5: to the line of scrimmage. So yes, I want to

498
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Speaker 5: see a little more of Wanye Thomas. I want to

499
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Speaker 5: see how that works, especially if you're gonna flip them.

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Speaker 5: I'm even okay if you say I'm gonna put Wye

501
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Speaker 5: Thomas in there and it's gonna be Hooker and Thomas,

502
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Speaker 5: and I'm gonna use and I'm gonna kind of use

503
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Speaker 5: them interchangeably, I'm even more comfortable with that.

504
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Speaker 2: But if you're gonna change the scheme.

505
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Speaker 5: A little bit and pull that safety down, then I

506
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Speaker 5: think you keep Hooker and and I think you keep

507
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Speaker 5: uh Donovan Wilson and you just let them do what

508
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Speaker 5: they do best.

509
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Speaker 9: How about you, Therechie, I'll put Donovan in Samborne spot

510
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Speaker 9: or Mayorage the spot, however they figure it out, and

511
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Speaker 9: let him do some weird linebacker stuff. And then because

512
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Speaker 9: because just you know, you don't want to take Donovan

513
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Speaker 9: off the field, dominant is a valuable like in terms

514
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Speaker 9: of physicality, running game, all this kind of stuff down

515
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Speaker 9: like down by the box. People get so caught up

516
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Speaker 9: in Donovan's coverage that they think Donovan's bad. Donovan ain't bad,

517
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Speaker 9: He's just doing things that he's not great at. So

518
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Speaker 9: I'm taking don.

519
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Speaker 7: Boker gets a little pass on this too. Right now,

520
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Speaker 7: as we're focusing.

521
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Speaker 3: On wis Hooker been weird too?

522
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Speaker 7: Oh?

523
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Speaker 2: This last game for sure.

524
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Speaker 9: Hooker Hooker's definitely been been weird too. But what I

525
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Speaker 9: would love for Flus to do, And man, I'm just

526
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Speaker 9: a microphone I say these things confidently, Oh yeah, they'll work.

527
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Speaker 9: I'm just a microphone guy. But I would consider making

528
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Speaker 9: the safeties play halves as opposed to like a one

529
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Speaker 9: high guy, because if you're one high, you got to

530
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Speaker 9: cover the whole field from the middle, or you're just

531
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Speaker 9: covering thirds or whatever. I think some that will help

532
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Speaker 9: your safeties is play some more cover two. And that

533
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Speaker 9: may not be in his wheelhouse brand, but at least.

534
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Speaker 7: The corners if you would, I mean sure, try and

535
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Speaker 7: disrupt routes.

536
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Speaker 3: That'll help the corners.

537
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Speaker 9: And you know corners, can you know, redirecting all this,

538
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Speaker 9: but instead of playing the whole field or just the middle,

539
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Speaker 9: make them play half. So now that'll that'll that'll help

540
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Speaker 9: your safeties and put Donovan down there. So now now

541
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Speaker 9: you're not having this Sanborn can't run fast problem because

542
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Speaker 9: Donovan's down there.

543
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Speaker 5: Let me, I want to ask you this question off

544
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Speaker 5: that when you say you would put Donovan down to

545
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Speaker 5: replace Samborne, would that be a better option to put

546
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Speaker 5: Bell down there in that instance, because at least Bell

547
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Speaker 5: has done that before. They put him at the line

548
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Speaker 5: and back of a position. Now you might take a

549
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Speaker 5: hit on your run defense, but would you maybe consider

550
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Speaker 5: Bell and you keep don of it on the field

551
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Speaker 5: at the safety position if you're gonna in some instances

552
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Speaker 5: take a linebacker off the field, especially if you're playing

553
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Speaker 5: this cover too and you want somebody to cover deep middle,

554
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Speaker 5: you probably want to put somebody that can get back there.

555
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Speaker 5: I feel more comfortable, although I don't think Bell is

556
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Speaker 5: a great cover guy, I feel more comfortable to him

557
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Speaker 5: doing that.

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Speaker 2: The samboe, What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 9: I would do all these things, and I would hope

560
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Speaker 9: that I Refluse is open enough to be creative enough

561
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Speaker 9: to use all of his guys. You know, all these

562
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Speaker 9: other teams that may not have a superstar, but they

563
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Speaker 9: play great defense. They find ways to get all their

564
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Speaker 9: guys involved. So if that's how you want to mess

565
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Speaker 9: around and do it cool And you know Bells has

566
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Speaker 9: played linebacker here. But I think you know Donovan's violence

567
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Speaker 9: make him like it makes him bigger, like you know,

568
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Speaker 9: size wise, like you know, like how he attacks the runner, quarterback,

569
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Speaker 9: bliss on whatever. I think that that's worth looking at.

570
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Speaker 9: So you know, you can keep Kenner, Murray and Mike.

571
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Speaker 9: I would let Donovan play some will or you can

572
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Speaker 9: keep whatever and just put him like at the sam

573
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Speaker 9: some mess around with it, be creative, but definitely more.

574
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Speaker 7: Want ag you getting to change his safeties up a

575
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Speaker 7: little bit.

576
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Speaker 10: It's an interesting offer that you make there, like your

577
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Speaker 10: proposal in the sense of like you're trying to give

578
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Speaker 10: us something different because right now you you just want

579
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Speaker 10: to try different things because nothing is working. So you gotta,

580
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Speaker 10: you know, you get in order to find change, you

581
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Speaker 10: gotta do something different. But I'm having trouble with it

582
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Speaker 10: because deep down, I still feel like Hooker and Wilson

583
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Speaker 10: are still your better players, and I'm still attached to

584
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Speaker 10: what I've seen them do in the past, specifically Donovan Wilson,

585
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Speaker 10: like I fell in love with him that year or

586
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Speaker 10: it was a maybe right before he got his contract,

587
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Speaker 10: the way that he was playing his aggressiveness, the only

588
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Speaker 10: guy that was really tackling without fear and just going

589
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Speaker 10: for it. So I'm still holding on to that vision,

590
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Speaker 10: the visual of him.

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Speaker 12: I know he has it in him, and I've seen.

592
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Speaker 10: Hooker do it as well, So I think that's where

593
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Speaker 10: I'm having trouble with. Although I want to see change,

594
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Speaker 10: I still believe that these two guys can make it happen.

595
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Speaker 10: They just they just I don't know what the answer is.

596
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Speaker 10: How do you position them in the best way possible

597
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Speaker 10: for them to thrive again? But I still have hope

598
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Speaker 10: that they can they can get it done.

599
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Speaker 9: You're not wrong because in those visuals you see Donovan

600
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Speaker 9: hitting people and thumping people, but you don't see Donovan

601
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Speaker 9: covering people in the visuals. You know what I'm saying,

602
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Speaker 9: So put them visuals back out there, him tackling the folk.

603
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Speaker 8: That's the one Faci, Sir Clowny, is likely going to

604
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Speaker 8: be active this week on the edges. You've been only

605
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Speaker 8: dressed in four and you've got five of those guys,

606
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Speaker 8: actually got six of those guys who you're taking.

607
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Speaker 7: Off the field.

608
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Speaker 8: And it's and if you look at it is, you

609
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Speaker 8: got potentially because Sam's been a starter, Fowler has been

610
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Speaker 8: a starter, and you got Ezeraku, Neel and then James Houston.

611
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Speaker 9: So most of your edges have been playing about twenty snaps.

612
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Speaker 9: Sam plays in the high thirties, James Houston's playing in

613
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Speaker 9: the fourteens or somewhere right. I would take some of

614
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Speaker 9: those from Sam. I don't.

615
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Speaker 3: You don't have to take Sam off the field.

616
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Speaker 9: You know, Sam needs reps to get, you know, getting

617
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Speaker 9: the groove of figuring the run game out and all

618
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Speaker 9: this kind of thing.

619
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Speaker 3: All these guys need.

620
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Speaker 7: But who would you make in active?

621
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Speaker 9: Inactive? OK, So I gotta take somebody off. You have

622
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Speaker 9: to take all together.

623
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's a whole nother question. Somebody gotta leave the.

624
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Speaker 7: Party because they've they've been dressing five.

625
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Speaker 12: Yeah, you gotta leave the party. Just gotta watch from

626
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Speaker 12: the sideline.

627
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Speaker 7: They've been dressing five.

628
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Speaker 8: I don't know if they'll dress six this week, but

629
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Speaker 8: you know, if there's a situation where they're dressing five,

630
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Speaker 8: you've got to look at Ezerraku, You've gotta look at Fowler,

631
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 8: you gotta look at kneeling you gotta look at Houston

632
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Speaker 8: and you gotta look at Sam. Those are your guys

633
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Speaker 8: that they've been dressing.

634
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Speaker 9: I'll tell you what, man, Dante Fowl is making all

635
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 9: your money. It's out of him Sam. But Sam's playing,

636
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Speaker 9: He's playing the most.

637
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Speaker 7: You mentioned not playing the most snaps.

638
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Speaker 9: I wonder why, like why that's the case, Like is

639
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 9: there something that the coach you see that we're not

640
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 9: seeing is making Sam play all these snaps? But I

641
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 9: think the difference is I don't think Dante Fowler plays

642
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Speaker 9: a bunch on teams. I think Sam plays plays a

643
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 9: couple of reps on on teams. Houston does, Kneeland does

644
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 9: as well. The front office people in the room wouldn't

645
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Speaker 9: like me saying it, but Dante Fowler hasn't.

646
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Speaker 3: Done a whole bunch to help you, gotcha?

647
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Speaker 9: And look, maybe Dante Fowler would be better if Clowne

648
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 9: was on the field. But I guess you could say

649
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 9: that about either one of them. You know, hopefully Donovan's rookie.

650
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Speaker 9: You want him to get those reps. It's a it's tough,

651
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Speaker 9: but Dante fol I guess.

652
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Speaker 10: Hey, g I'm listening to you in my head, I'm like,

653
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Speaker 10: why aren't making it so complicated because nobody's doing anything anyway.

654
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 10: But then I'm staring at this list, I'm like, dang,

655
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Speaker 10: like it is complicated because it leads you to think, Okay,

656
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 10: who can clowney elevate like make their game better?

657
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Speaker 12: And that's a.

658
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Speaker 10: I would I would say this people that I would

659
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Speaker 10: like to keep on the field Sam Fowler because I'm

660
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Speaker 10: still holding hope from what he did last year in

661
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Speaker 10: Washington Ryan the famous quote hope every year. I think

662
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Speaker 10: I would be taking it this early in the season

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Speaker 10: over there, hop right there, Derek inhaling hoping.

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Speaker 9: Oh, that's one of your better rundown guys. You running

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Speaker 9: fans might be good because he's because he's out there.

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Speaker 9: It is you know, the rookie do He flashed a

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Speaker 9: little bit last week, just a little bit.

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Speaker 10: I think I would be okay with taking You're taking

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Speaker 10: what I would do.

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Speaker 9: I take it back, but I'm going Sam, well, but

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Speaker 9: go ahead, finish. Please you take Sam on events.

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Speaker 10: Not because he's I don't know. Sometimes you learn from

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Speaker 10: watching from the sideline. You get a different.

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Speaker 9: Perspective, mental reps for your second round, pig anbar that

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Speaker 2: By the way I got, the right answer is the

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Speaker 2: right answer. Right answer, the right answer is performing well.

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Speaker 5: So if I want to, if I want to make

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Speaker 5: a statement in that room, I'm gonna take the top

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Speaker 5: dog and I'm gonna sit him down. So Dante Folo,

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Speaker 5: this week, we're gonna have you sit I'm gonna make

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Speaker 5: a statement in that room, and I'm gonna say, if

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Speaker 5: you all don't want to end up in the same situation,

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Speaker 5: sure show me what you got, because I think by

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Speaker 5: the way, we're we're all, I mean we're we're we're

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Speaker 5: making a big deal by something where all of them

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Speaker 5: probably deserve to be said to be sad, like they

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Speaker 5: are not getting the job done, and I think no

689
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Speaker 5: one can make the argument they're getting the job. So

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Speaker 5: to me, I'm like, how can I make the biggest

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Speaker 5: point by having someone sit down? And I think the

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Speaker 5: biggest point you can make it's it's like the old

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Speaker 5: hear about prison.

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Speaker 2: Right, you walk in, you walk in.

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Speaker 5: If you want to prove a point in prison, you

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Speaker 5: walk in, you find the biggest, baddest dude and you

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Speaker 5: make a point with him. Right, So I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: and get meat then, But you make a point with

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Speaker 5: the biggest baddest dude. So if Fowler's supposed to be

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Speaker 5: the bat baddest dudes every Friday, it's that which dominance early.

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Speaker 5: So I think that that would be how I would

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Speaker 5: approach you. Okay, I'm gonna take that guy and sit

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Speaker 5: him down, And now I'm gonna see if those other

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Speaker 5: it up because some of those they might not have

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Speaker 5: a job next year.

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Speaker 10: But are you in a situation where you have the

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Speaker 10: I don't want to say luxury, because they ain't nothing

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Speaker 10: luxury about this, but are you in a position where

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Speaker 10: you can actually make that decision because of the time,

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Speaker 10: Like right now, I think you're on the hot seat

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Speaker 10: right now.

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Speaker 12: You know with how what are you?

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Speaker 2: What are you losing? If you sit down Fowler? What

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Speaker 2: are you losing?

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Speaker 9: It's really politics, the same reason Hookers keep like like,

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Speaker 9: he's just happened to make the money, right, so so

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Speaker 9: the money guy's playing more.

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Speaker 5: But nobody right now, there's nobody you could make an

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Speaker 5: argument for at the defensive end position that if you

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Speaker 5: sat them down, something drastically. You're missing such and I

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Speaker 5: would say Newland has been the better performer of them

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Speaker 5: just because he's giving you something in the run game.

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Speaker 5: But Houston was quiet this last game too, he was

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Speaker 5: very quiet. Get get a pressure you.

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Speaker 7: Thank you guys for answer the questions. Appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Oh let's go to break break when we come back.

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Speaker 5: talk about Ceedee Lamb right now. He has a high

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Speaker 5: angle sprain. I think earlier in the week the reports

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Speaker 5: were three to four weeks. We'll see what it ends up.

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Speaker 5: Being High ankle sprains I think tend to take a

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Speaker 5: little bit longer. But as we said before, and as

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Speaker 5: Jerry said this morning, to tolerate pain is a big

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Speaker 5: part of that. And he's a tough guy. So let's

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Speaker 5: see if he can get back a little faster than that.

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Speaker 5: That being said, though, I'm gonna paint the picture of

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Speaker 5: how I looked at the situation that evolved that turned

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Speaker 5: into an injury for him. Cowboys were running the ball effectively.

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Speaker 5: Williams has been a good running back for them all season.

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Speaker 5: The offensive line is blocking really well. And if you

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Speaker 5: really think about what Ceedee Lamb, there have been times

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Speaker 5: throughout Ceedee Lamb's career here where they have used him

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Speaker 5: as a guy. They line up in the backfield and

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Speaker 5: hand the ball to.

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Speaker 7: Him, and he didn't have a running back.

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Speaker 5: When you didn't have a running back, you didn't have

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Speaker 5: a running game. Things weren't working well. And in those instances,

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Speaker 5: CD wasn't a guy. And this is no knock on CD.

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Speaker 5: He's a wide receiver, but he wasn't a guy that

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Speaker 5: was breaking twenty thirty, forty fifty yard runs. He would

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Speaker 5: get you six yards, eight yards, maybe ten yards, get

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Speaker 5: your first down. But Williams also could do that. So

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Speaker 5: my question becomes, is the risk worth the reward in

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Speaker 5: this instance of aligning CD up in the backfield with

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Speaker 5: the potential as we see in this instance of him

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Speaker 5: ended ending up injured.

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Speaker 9: Noah, Noah, no nah, you don't. You don't need to

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Speaker 9: see CD running, you know, from the backfield anymore, running

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Speaker 9: sweeps and all that. Let turping run sweeps and let

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Speaker 9: him do his thing. Think about Williams, What what makes

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Speaker 9: him like like really like fun to watch is that

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Speaker 9: if the if the first person gets there, he's probably

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Speaker 9: dragging that person to the second person, right and you

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Speaker 9: know CD is not going to break tackles in that way.

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Speaker 9: CD is gonna be slick and sideways and that tends

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Speaker 9: to benefit him more when he's out in open space

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Speaker 9: down the field and stuff.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 9: Uh, you don't need CD to be a battering ram

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Speaker 9: or anything like that for you. So if it's up

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Speaker 9: to me, since you have a running back now, if

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Speaker 9: it was Zeke, not yourself, because you you know, you set.

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Speaker 3: Him down toward the end of this career. Let's Claire.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I'm not talking about I'm not talking about

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Speaker 9: Ezekiel Elleen, I'm talking about Zeke.

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Speaker 2: There, No, you actually are talking about Ezekiel. I'm talking about.

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Speaker 9: Zeke buddy the other fifteen, not twenty one with the

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Speaker 9: road up Jersey. I'm talking about fifteen when fifteen is

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Speaker 9: your running back. Man, you can put Lamb at running

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Speaker 9: back all you want to, but you have guys that

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Speaker 9: can do the job now, so I'm doing them.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I agreed to me. It just makes no sense,

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Speaker 10: like why the need to do that. And yesterday Brian

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Speaker 10: Scholtenheimer was asked about it, and to my surprise, because

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Speaker 10: he's always very upfront and honest and everything, he had

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Speaker 10: no regrets, Like he said, Hey, he's one of our

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Speaker 10: best players and we want to try different things with

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Speaker 10: our best players to have them on the field. And

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Speaker 10: injuries are just a part of the game. You know,

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Speaker 10: you can't really prevent them. But I mean, why, why

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Speaker 10: did you feel the need to do that when you

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Speaker 10: have other people who can do that as well. So, yeah,

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Speaker 10: it makes no sense to me. And he said, they're

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Speaker 10: not gonna take that away from the game. I mean,

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Speaker 10: you can't do it right now he's hurt.

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Speaker 2: Well, but that's the thing. Whatever he says.

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Speaker 5: At this point, I don't know, like I would be

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Speaker 5: interested to see if when he comes back, we still

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Speaker 5: see that as a part of the offense, because I

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Speaker 5: do want like, I get what coaches say, and I

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Speaker 5: agree with this to some degree.

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Speaker 2: I get what coaches say. Man, it's a part of the game.

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Speaker 2: Injuries happen.

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Speaker 5: Like, do you run away from putting guys on the

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Speaker 5: field because they might get injured, Well, injuries happened, that's you.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to be that short sighted.

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, my question just becomes like,

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Speaker 5: is the risk versus worth the reward. If you didn't

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Speaker 5: have a running game, maybe so. If you didn't have

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Speaker 5: a running back that you thought was capable, maybe so.

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Speaker 5: If you didn't have somebody like Turpin. Let's even say

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Speaker 5: who you could line up, and he tends to be

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Speaker 5: I think even more explosive than CD and those kinds

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Speaker 5: of situations, then maybe so. But in my opinion, CD's

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Speaker 5: way down the list on guys that in that situation

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Speaker 5: is going to turn that play into a big play

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Speaker 5: for you.

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Speaker 2: Why take the risk?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I would shot, he's probably getting a salad at

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Speaker 8: the salad bar over here.

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Speaker 7: In the cafeteria.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And I'd walk up to him and I'd get

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Speaker 8: my salad and I would start going, hey, coach, if

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Speaker 8: you do that again, I can't replace that guy. I

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Speaker 8: don't have anybody that's as good as that guy.

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Speaker 2: Speaking as a scout guy, yeah, us from the fan, you.

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Speaker 7: Know, I'm walking I'm walking up a scout.

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Speaker 6: Guy and I'm walking up.

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Speaker 8: I'm walking up to him, and I'm going, coach, I

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Speaker 8: can't replace that guy if you do that anymore.

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Speaker 7: If you want to do that.

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Speaker 8: This is the same argument that we a lot of

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Speaker 8: us get into about putting your stars as punt and

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Speaker 8: kick returners. It's the same I watched Dez Bryant break

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Speaker 8: his ankle against the Colts in a game because of

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Speaker 8: a return. You know, I watched Jason Seahorn from the

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Speaker 8: Giants their starting corner, wreck his knee, never to play again.

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Speaker 8: You know, these are the things that you have to

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Speaker 8: think about. And I just remind the coach. I would say, listen,

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Speaker 8: I heard what you said.

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Speaker 7: Coach. We're all about trying to get plays and score

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Speaker 7: and all that, but.

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Speaker 8: I just want to let you know that if you

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Speaker 8: do that again and he gets hurt, I don't have

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Speaker 8: anybody that can replace him.

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Speaker 7: So just please keep that in mind if you're going

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Speaker 7: to call that number again.

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Speaker 9: Plus, Lamb catching the ball has always gotten more yards

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Speaker 9: than Lamb just kind of running it anyway.

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Speaker 4: So just thought it on me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, do you think that that CD feels the same.

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Speaker 7: Way I Ced wants to play competitive, He wants to play.

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Speaker 8: He was thinking it was a weird angle when he

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Speaker 8: got the ball, by the way, it was kind of yeah,

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Speaker 8: you know it was. It was just strange. It wasn't

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Speaker 8: a clean play to where he could, you know, get

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Speaker 8: to the edge. But anyway, it's just all about I

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Speaker 8: think you have to be very mindful as a coach

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Speaker 8: of putting your star players in positions where they could

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Speaker 8: get hurt. If he gets hurt playing as a wide receiver,

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Speaker 8: that's one thing. If he gets hurt. Let's be honest.

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Speaker 8: I think Deebo Samuel.

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Speaker 7: As his effectiveness as a wide receiver.

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Speaker 8: Has gone downhill. For all the times that he played

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Speaker 8: as a running back for San Francisco, dealing with shoulder

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Speaker 8: problems and things like that. He's doing a good job

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Speaker 8: with the the Commanders. But think about him all those

942
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Speaker 8: times he had to carry, and the times he took

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Speaker 8: hits and the times he got hurt. You know, just

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Speaker 8: remind yourself, I can't replace that guy. If he's standing

945
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Speaker 8: over there next to me. They don't have anybody that good.

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Speaker 9: Also too, that's the reason why Dak may run one

947
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Speaker 9: time in the game as opposed to run like five

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Speaker 9: or six times.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 9: Like, you can run one time if it's wide open

951
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Speaker 9: at the end of the game, field goal clutch, Okay, fine,

952
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Speaker 9: do it. But if it's like first down, you fight

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Speaker 9: for extra yards. You're you old player player.

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Speaker 3: We need you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I appreciate you guys. You back tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: We'll dive into the Packers offense versus the Cowboys defense.

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Speaker 5: Until then, for Boch Lombardi, Heyan brought us in Ambergarcia.

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Speaker 5: I am Derek Eilton. This has been The Break live

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