1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: Every batman needs a Robin, Michael led Scottie Lebron, had Wade, 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown, Shaq and Kobe. You can go 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: down through history and it feels like there was a 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 2: batman and there was a Robin. Ok See already has 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 2: their Batman and the MVP and Shay Gilgiss, Alexander and 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: last night it became really clear to the uh well 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: probably the NBA population watching this OKAC team, probably for 10 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: the first time. Jalen Williams is a sidekick of sorts, 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 2: but he's his star in his own right. He was 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: third team All NBA. He went to Santa Clara, He 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: had scholarship offers to Hofstra Santa Clara, one other school 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: in there, and that's it. He had forty points last night, 15 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: biggest game of his young career. So you got Shay Gilgiss, 16 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: who's twenty five, Williams who's twenty three and wasn't afraid 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 2: of the bright lights last night. He was the best 18 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: player on the floor for a good portion of that game. Now, 19 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: I know, we get caught up in big names, and 20 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 2: rightfully so if you start to look at mich Linscotting, 21 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: Lebron and Kyrie, Kevin Durant and Steph Curry. The performance 22 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: last night between Shay Gilgis, Alexander and Jalen Williams is 23 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: one of the best in the last fifty years. So 24 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: hear me out on this. They combined to score or 25 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: assist on one hundred and three points. That's the most 26 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: by a duo in an NBA Finals game in the 27 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: last five decades. The stat of the Day brought to 28 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: you by Panini America, the official trading cards to The 29 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: Dan Patrick Show. But eight minutes and thirty seconds to go, 30 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: it's a two point game. Tyrese Halliburton is banged up. 31 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: He didn't score a basket. He had four points. He 32 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: couldn't even get shots up. And then you started to wonder, 33 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 2: and I wondered at halftime would he even play in 34 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: the second half. Because you can live to play another game. 35 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: You have another game back in Indiana. You're guaranteed that 36 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: no matter what happened last night. That's what I didn't 37 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 2: understand with Rick Carlile. And we can talk about how 38 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: great a coach he is. I did not agree with that, 39 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 2: but I'd like to know more, and maybe more will 40 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 2: come out because the next game is on Thursday. The 41 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: relationship that the coach has with his star player. Did 42 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: the star player want to come out? Does the coach 43 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: say to him, I want you to come out because 44 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: you don't want to take out your best player or 45 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: one of your best players. But he was hurting you 46 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 2: and TJ McConnell was wonderful when he came in in 47 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 2: the third quarter. He actually took over. Here is Rick 48 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: Carlyle talking about Tyrese Haliburton. 49 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 3: He's not one hundred percent. It's pretty clear, but I 50 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 3: don't think he's gonna miss the next game. And you know, 51 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 3: we were concerned at halftime, and uh, he insisted on 52 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 3: playing and I thought, I thought he made a lot 53 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 3: of really good things happened in the second half. But 54 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: he's he's not He's not one hundred percent, you know, 55 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: and there's a lot of guys in the series that aren't. 56 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, but this was really pronounced. You could see that 57 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: he was struggling. But here's Haliburton talking about deciding to play. 58 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 4: I mean the NBA Finals. 59 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 5: It's the finals, man. 60 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 6: I've worked my whole life to be here, and I 61 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 6: want to be out there to compete, you know how 62 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 6: my teammates anyway, I can you know, I was not 63 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 6: great tonight by any means, but you know, it's not 64 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 6: really a thought of mine to to not play here. 65 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 4: You know. 66 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 6: If I if I can, uh, you know, walk, then 67 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 6: I want to play. So you know, they understand that, 68 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 6: and uh, you know is what it is, and uh 69 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 6: you know, gotta be ready to go for game six. 70 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: You can be hurt and you can be injured. If 71 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: you're injured, then you shouldn't play. If he's just banged 72 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: up a little bit, then okay, I understand he wants 73 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: to go out there, but at some point you have 74 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: to realize they're going to take advantage of him being 75 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: out there. And the fact that TJ McConnell was playing 76 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: so well kind of exacerbated that. I didn't want Haliburton 77 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 2: out there. And I want him to be great in 78 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 2: game six. I don't want him to be average in 79 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,559 Speaker 2: game five and then average in Game six. I would 80 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: have shut him down at halftime, said it at the time, 81 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: don't play him now. They had a big lead. They 82 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 2: did cut that lead. Then it's a two point game 83 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 2: with eight and a half to go, but he was 84 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: not a factor, and nobody was able to stop Jalen 85 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: Williams or Shay Gilgs. I mean Gilg just had an 86 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 2: Oh by the Way game when he had thirty two 87 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 2: in ten assists, like an OH by the Way game, 88 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: thirty one and ten oh by the way. Talk about efficient, 89 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 2: talk about where that He's one of those players where 90 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: you go he had how many? Certain guys you go wait, 91 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: he only had that many. He's one of those guys 92 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: where you go, wait, he had that many and it's 93 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 2: all two pointers. Him and Williams, like this is a 94 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: box score out of the nineties where you got a 95 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: couple of three pointers and that's it. They're just scoring. 96 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: But Indiana still has another game back at home on 97 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 2: Thursday night, and I hope we get to see the 98 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: best of Halliburton because he has had an incredible playoff run, 99 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: one that will remember for a long long time, and 100 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: you could put him up there with clutch shooters, clutch players. 101 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 2: But last night I needed to help him help himself 102 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: and not play the second half of the game. Now 103 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: you might be saying, all right, we're going to lose 104 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: this game, but you were only down two with eight 105 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: and a half to go, and that's where you have 106 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: to rely on your other players. Haliburton wasn't able to 107 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: and that's where you ask your team to step up. 108 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: And they made it interesting. And then all of a sudden, 109 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: a minute and a half to play, and then all 110 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: the starters came out. I was like, okay, yeah, Marvin. 111 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 7: If there's a team that would do something like that, 112 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 7: where hey, Tyrese, you take a backseat, Wi'll handle this, 113 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 7: it's the Pacers because you have a bunch of those 114 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 7: guys that are willing to step up in those moments. 115 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 7: A Lah and them hart A, TJ. McConnell, Nee Smith, 116 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 7: those guys will they would be ready to step up. 117 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, ob top And I mean they do have players. 118 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: But okay, okay, see play defense. Everybody plays defense. It's remarkable. 119 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: I mean even SGA plays defense. But like you have to. 120 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: That's and lou Dort doesn't care Hartenstein doesn't care about 121 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 2: They don't care about offense. Now you want me to 122 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 2: choot a three. Dort can do that. But to be 123 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: able to have a team that understands how that team works, 124 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 2: sometimes that's the biggest hurdle because everybody wants to be 125 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: a star. And if I would have said to you 126 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: prior to letting you know that Jalen Williams was, you know, 127 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: thirteen NBA, you never would have thought that. Yeah, Marvin, he's. 128 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 7: Kind of got a Chris Middleton feel to him, where 129 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 7: it's like, okay, man, this guy is so good. But 130 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 7: if you're not a hardcore NBA fan, you have no 131 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 7: idea who this is? 132 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,119 Speaker 2: Third team o NBA. Now, they might reward OKAC because 133 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: you have sixty eight wins. Okay, SGA, Well, he's not 134 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,119 Speaker 2: doing it alone. And then sometimes you'll single out somebody 135 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: else on the team. Jalen Williams showed you last night. 136 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: Hey I'm good. Huh, I'm only twenty three years of age. Yeah, Paul. 137 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 5: I saw some. 138 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 8: People complaining on social media about the refs not calling 139 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 8: more fouls against OKC. But it feels like Okac is 140 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 8: that old. Remember the Seattle Seahawks defense foul on every possession, 141 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 8: you know, rough people up on every possession. You can't 142 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 8: call them all and it's working so far. 143 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: So the thunderbeat the Pacers one twenty to one oh nine. 144 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: You got hockey coming up tonight. The Oilers at the Panthers. 145 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: Panthers a chance to go back to back Seaton question today, 146 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: which series would you rather go seven games? NBA, NHL 147 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: H I think if I knew that we were going 148 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: to have Edmonton win, then I would love for it 149 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: to go seven. Yeah, I knew who the winner was. 150 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: Definitely said yeah, okay, see Indiana. If you said we 151 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: got a game seven, it doesn't matter who wins. I'm 152 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: fine with that. But with hockey, if Edmonton had a 153 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 2: chance to bring the Cup back to Canada, that'd be 154 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: pretty special. It's just Florida. They knew how to win. 155 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: YSH And by the way, Dylan, our resident gambler, said 156 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: that the over under. I think they've gone over with 157 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: goals scored every single game. I think it's six and 158 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 2: a half goals coming up tonight, which means it's going 159 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: to go over again. That's what Dylan goes. That means 160 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: it's going to go under, right, I go, I have 161 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: no idea you gamble, I don't. Yes, yes, I. 162 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 8: Thought you were supposed to bet against trends as a 163 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 8: gambler because trends don't last. 164 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 2: But if it's lasted five games. 165 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 8: Then you're I think an analytics person would tell you 166 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 8: it's has to even out because of and you'ld bet 167 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 8: against it. 168 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 2: I think what other pole questions you have seen? Uh? 169 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 9: Well, I kind of wanted to stick with hockey a 170 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 9: little bit, but this might be over our skates, if 171 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 9: you know what I mean. 172 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: See what I said there? Yeah I did. Unfortunately Connor McDavid. 173 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 1: Oh no, did I just get gone? 174 00:09:59,000 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 5: No? 175 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 2: It was that was a polite gong. That's crazy. I've 176 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 2: been accused of premature gonging before. 177 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 9: I feel I'm going to appeal that premature gonging. 178 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know that that was gong work. You know, 179 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: I was just seeing if it was hooked up, ready 180 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: to go, ready to go, anticipating gong. Yes, the guy 181 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: next to you is going to get gong today guaranteed. 182 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 9: Yeah, that makes sense, that makes sense. 183 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: But you did lokate JJ Spahn for the show, so 184 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: you're already you're you're one up. It's plus one for 185 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: you too. 186 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 4: Does that distance yourself from the gong a little perfect? 187 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 2: A little bit? Yeah, a little bit? 188 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 5: All right? 189 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: What else do you have? Uh? 190 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 9: You know what, let me jump ahead to one that 191 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 9: Todd has so I could get a gong in here 192 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 9: real quick, okay, make it. Todd is very upset about this, 193 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 9: well not maybe not quite very upset, but it's his 194 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 9: lead story for sure. Making no attempt to get to 195 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 9: avoid getting hit by a pitch to ruin an opponent's 196 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 9: perfect game is dot dot dot. 197 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, gauge Wood, nice name. Arc And saw a pitcher 198 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 2: through a no hitter, missed out on a perfect game 199 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: as he hit a batter, and then Fritzi was all 200 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 2: upset that the batter didn't get out of the way. 201 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: I thought one batter didn't get out of the way, 202 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 2: but they called him out. But the other one just 203 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: got hit by the pitch. Todd. 204 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 10: Yeah, but in the eighth inning, the one that lost 205 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 10: the perfect game was the hit by pitch of the 206 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 10: foot and the guy kind of just stood there. 207 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 4: Like a statue. 208 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 10: And I know the ball dipped in and it kind 209 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 10: of curved and maybe you didn't see it coming in. 210 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 10: I guess you want to get on base anyway you can. 211 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 10: It's the World Series and all that. But I've seen 212 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 10: people get out of the way all the time. I 213 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 10: had a problem that he didn't make any effort to 214 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 10: move his foot a little bit. That's the way you're 215 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 10: gonna get on base and ruin some guys. 216 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 8: Yes, Paul, So, the Murray State Racers batter who is 217 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 8: in an elimination game in a college World Series that 218 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 8: team has never been to before and the eighth inning 219 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 8: should not do everything he can to get on base. 220 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 10: I would think in a situation like that, it would 221 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 10: be almost instinctual if a ball's coming out of you. 222 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 10: I know it's not coming out of his head or anything, 223 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 10: but if your ball looks like it's about to hit you, 224 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 10: instinctually you kind of dance out of the way a 225 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 10: little bit. He just stayed perfectly still, watching the ball 226 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 10: hit his foot in his perfectly happy to ruin his perfect. 227 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 4: Game and take his base. 228 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 5: Okay, I didn't love. 229 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: I know of all the things that happened. Otani took 230 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: the mound last night. You got a hockey tonight. Spawn 231 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 2: is gonna be on the show. Okay, see on the 232 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: verge of winning a title for the first time, Taj Like, 233 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: I can't believe, did you see that hitter? You didn't 234 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 2: even get out of the way. 235 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 4: Tony went five innings and struck out twelve and give 236 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 4: up one hit. And then I'd be like. 237 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: Wow, Tony, the things that bother you. Yes, Paul, this 238 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: is starting to bother me. 239 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 8: This is the last situation where you should help out 240 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,719 Speaker 8: a pitcher in a perfect game. This is the opposite 241 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 8: of a regular season game where you wouldn't do anything 242 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 8: to get on base during a perfect game. 243 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 10: I'm just thinking, like, of all the unwritten rules in 244 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 10: baseball that to me would be in that group, standing 245 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 10: perfectly still as a ball which was not thrown particularly hard, 246 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 10: dips into your toe and you're like, oh, man, there 247 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 10: goes the perfect air. 248 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 2: It was a wild curve ball, though maybe the hitter 249 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 2: was fooled a little bit. 250 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 4: Look like he had ample time out of I'm one person. 251 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 4: I'm not saying everyone should. 252 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 5: Oh. 253 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: I know, you're one person, but you speak for like 254 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: fifteen I'm. 255 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 4: Saying I was personally bothered by it. That's as I mean. 256 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 10: I'm not trying to convince everyone else that that's a 257 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 10: long thing to do. 258 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: I know, but they it was weak. 259 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 4: It was weak. It was bush league, and that's the story. 260 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: I had no problem with it. Whatever. I remember Johnny 261 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: Bench tried to bunt in the seventh inning of game 262 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: against Kenny Holtzman of the Cubs and Holtzman threw a 263 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 2: no hitter, and I remember I was with guys and 264 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: they're like, that's so cheap to try to go what 265 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 2: are you talking about. Wait, I'm supposed to just go 266 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: up there and swing and help you out here. 267 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 10: But then someone try to bunch off Nolan Ryan through 268 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 10: and Noan Ryan let him know what he thought about that. 269 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but that's a regular season game. This is 270 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 2: the College World Series time, the elimination game for Murray State. Anything. 271 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 4: It takes y'all for him, the good job. Nice to 272 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 4: keep you putting there? 273 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, see Ali rally monkey. 274 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 9: Well, I think part of the problem is that when 275 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 9: you play baseball, you have to stay in the batter's box. 276 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 9: You have to stay in on a pitch, right. Well, 277 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 9: if you start getting out of the way every time 278 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 9: there's a breaking ball coming towards you, you're the chances 279 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 9: of you you're gonna strike out way more than you 280 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 9: get hit by a pitch. 281 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: But you can dance out of the way of a 282 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: pitch that's inside. You can. Yeah, I mean, guys, get 283 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: out of the way of you know, pitches that get 284 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: away from pitchers. They do, But do you think it 285 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 2: was bush League? What happened where they are? Oh? No, okay, Marvin, 286 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: do you think it was bush league that the batter 287 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 2: you know, stayed in there to get on base? No, okay, 288 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: I give him way more credit. 289 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 9: You ever got hit by a baseball, especially in your foot, 290 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 9: it hurts, It hurts like hell, it kills. 291 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 4: The pitchers should be more mad at himself. 292 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 10: And I know I only pitch baseball Little league, so 293 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 10: I'm not making any comparison other than to say if 294 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 10: I was in that position, I'd first be mad at 295 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 10: myself that I'd let it get that close to a batter, 296 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 10: But right behind that, I'd be like, I mean, you know, 297 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 10: I wouldn't approach. 298 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 4: The batter, but in my head, I'd be like, I 299 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 4: can't beif you. 300 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: Couldn't move, you're gonna get on base getting hit by 301 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: a pitch, or you're going to strike out. 302 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 4: To me, it's not that black and white. It would 303 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 4: depend on the situation. 304 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 9: No, this situation game is it's just a regular season game. 305 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: Is the World Series game? 306 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 5: I think yesterday's situation instinctually, I would have tried to 307 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 5: get out of the way. 308 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 10: If I see the ball curving towards my foot instinctual, 309 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 10: without even thinking about perfect games or push the league 310 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 10: or what I would be. I would always look to 311 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 10: get out of the way of getting hit by a pitch. 312 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 10: That would just be an instinct. 313 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: But you could get on base. 314 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 4: I understand what you're saying. 315 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: But it's also like it's elimination. 316 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 10: This guy's dominating us the only way perfectly, still and 317 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 10: let this ballad is true. 318 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: That is true. 319 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 8: Yes, In the following inning, would hit a batsman and 320 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 8: the batter dipped his elbow. At least the umpires called 321 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 8: him for dipping his elbow into the pitch. That's example, 322 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 8: according to the umpires, of a guy not getting out 323 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 8: of the way so much that he went into the 324 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 8: pitch and they called him out because. 325 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 4: The umpire missed one. You could have moved your foot 326 00:15:58,880 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 4: out of the way. 327 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 2: He he leaned into. 328 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 4: That that guy should have been out to alrighty. 329 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: We accomplished absolutely nothing right there. But Todd has set 330 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: the tone once again, starting the show. Come on, let's 331 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: rally here, let's let's come on, let's go, let's let's 332 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: get together here. Bush not really around. 333 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 4: Smattering. We've had a lot of smatterings. 334 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: Okay, flopping Oh. 335 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 9: You know, it's been a long week. 336 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: It's Friday. Get through the show. 337 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 4: I polified made it feel like it should be Friday 338 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 4: or any because. 339 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 5: It really is. 340 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: Yesterday. You made it feel like it was Friday, so 341 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: you can imagine now it feels like it's Saturday. 342 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 4: It feels like we're working on the weekend. 343 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: Right, how about we take a break. 344 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 9: It sounds like some kind of like like a line 345 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 9: you could write to your wife or something that goes wrong, 346 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 9: like baby. You make every day feel like it's Friday, 347 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 9: but for somebody to hear it doesn't work or. 348 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 4: Something got a very negative connotation the way he said, how. 349 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: About we take a break here? All right? 350 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best shorts talk lineup in 351 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 352 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 353 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: listen live. He just won the US Open. He's JJ 354 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: Spahn getting ready to join us on the program. I 355 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: mentioned this yesterday at when we were at Pebble a 356 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. He came up and introduced himself, 357 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 1: and I thought the line was just so oh, there 358 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: he is JJ Spahn. Official introduction here, JJ spawn US 359 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: Open Champ joining us on the show. Do you remember 360 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: how you introduced yourself to me at Pebble Beach a 361 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. 362 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 11: Exactly? No, but I do remember being there with you. 363 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you walked up and you said, on the other 364 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: black guy on tour. 365 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I remember that now. I remember that. 366 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: Congratulations. Give me the second favorite shot that you hit 367 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 2: at Oakmont. 368 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 11: The T shot on seventeen on Sunday. 369 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 2: But that was the risk and the reward there was. 370 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen guys die in the rough there 371 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 2: around seventeen, but there was no hesitation. 372 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 12: No, I mean, that was the strategy all we long, 373 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 12: is to send driver up there and just try to 374 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 12: get up and down and actually hit almost an identical 375 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 12: shot in the practice round on Tuesday, where I flagged 376 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 12: it to about twenty feet away. But it's a blind 377 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 12: T shots. You can't see the green. You can just 378 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 12: see like the top half of the pin. And you know, 379 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 12: that was the one shot that got me the lead 380 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 12: and you know, led me to victory. 381 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 2: But also you're listening for the crowd's reaction to it. 382 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: Since you can't see it, you can kind of differentiate 383 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 2: between that was a good shot, that was a great shot. 384 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 2: That was an unbelievable shot. 385 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 12: Exactly, and that's exactly what happened. You know, you can't 386 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 12: see anything, but there's tons of people up there, big grandstands, 387 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 12: and I you know, once I hit it the ball, 388 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 12: you can see it one hop and then it disappears 389 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 12: and all you hear is just this growing roar the stands, 390 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 12: and you know, you can tell, like a clap would 391 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 12: be like, okay, that's probably somewhere near the green, and 392 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 12: then all of a sudden you hear whoa, and you're 393 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 12: building up like it's going in. 394 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 11: Like I literally thought I was gonna make this shot. 395 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 12: And then it was like the oh, like adjustments, So 396 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 12: I knew it was relatively close before I got on 397 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 12: the green. 398 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: How do you pay back Victor Hobblin for giving you 399 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 2: the read on eighteen? 400 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 12: I gotta give him a nice bottle of wine or 401 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 12: something whatever he wants. That was a nice teach, and 402 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 12: I think that was just one of those things that 403 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 12: has to go your way to win not only a championship, 404 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 12: but a major championship. And I'm just happy to have 405 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 12: capitalized on that that little advantage. 406 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 2: How surprised were you that it went in, though. 407 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 11: Oh stunned, I would. 408 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 12: I mean, you can tell by my react that putt 409 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 12: going in. 410 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 11: You know, my lab hot. 411 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 12: My lab putter was so hot I had to toss it, 412 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 12: you know, with that back nine finish. 413 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 11: But I did, you know, I didn't. All I was 414 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 11: trying to do, obviously, was get it to tap in. 415 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 12: I didn't even want like a three footer. But when 416 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 12: I hit it, I knew it was good pace. I 417 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 12: just didn't know if it was the right line. It 418 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 12: was raining and misty. It couldn't even really see the 419 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 12: hole from that far away. And you know, I'm glad 420 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 12: I didn't have to tap in a little three footer 421 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 12: for the win. 422 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 2: Do you retire that putter? 423 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 5: Heck no, Dan, come on. 424 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 12: That thing's been so hot for me. My lab putter 425 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 12: has been like one of the best kind of components 426 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 12: of my game. That's always been a part of my 427 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 12: statistically my game where I've struggled, But I think it's 428 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 12: been a great equalizer now and it's kind of helped 429 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 12: keep rounds going, whether it's making a clutch six footer 430 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 12: to keep momentum going in the right direction during a round, 431 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 12: or making a sixty four footer to when the US open. 432 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 2: Talking to JJ spawn US open, chant, let's clear up 433 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 2: the overnight CBS trip for your sick daughter. What exactly 434 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: happened and why can't you send your caddie to CBS. 435 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 9: I know. 436 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 12: It was a crazy sort of Sunday morning, early Sunday 437 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 12: morning where the tournament had a daycare provided for all 438 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 12: the players, and she must have caught some sort of 439 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 12: stomach bug from one of the other kids running around 440 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 12: in the same classroom as her, And all we can 441 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 12: hear in the other room next to us was her 442 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 12: just kind of puking up stuff and crying. So we 443 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 12: kind of tended to her, made sure she was okay, 444 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 12: but she wasn't trying. 445 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 11: She couldn't hold anything down. She's crying for water. Poor things. 446 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 12: She's two years old, and you know, little does she 447 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 12: know any sip of water kind of you know, makes 448 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 12: her feel worse. But yeah, I was up at three thirty. 449 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 12: I was looking for twenty four hour pharmacies. You know, 450 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 12: did my best to get her what she needed. And 451 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 12: you know, fortunately, you know, we we got her some 452 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 12: PDA lot and we just tried to, you know, help 453 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 12: her get on the mend and she's doing a lot 454 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 12: better now. 455 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: Though I smell a sponsorship there pd a lie. How 456 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 2: important was the rain delay? Maybe that sounds strange to say, 457 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 2: but was it a great opportunity for a reset? 458 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 5: It was huge? 459 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: You know. 460 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 12: I think if if things were going the other way, 461 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 12: where I was like really hot starting off and kind 462 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 12: of all of a sudden leading, that would be kind 463 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 12: of the last thing you want. But it's almost like, 464 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 12: you know, being down twenty points going into the the halftime, 465 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 12: you know, break a NBA final to kind of regroup, 466 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 12: you know, get a game plan reset. 467 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 11: I even changed my clothes. 468 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 12: I was like, I want to feel like a completely 469 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 12: different person going out there. Because I had ten holes 470 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 12: to play. I was still four shots back. But it's 471 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 12: the US Open, you know, like people aren't running away 472 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 12: with this tournament. In the field kind of tends to 473 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 12: come back. But my team, my caddie, we all said, hey, 474 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 12: if you were four back going into the back nine 475 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 12: at the US Open on Monday, knowing that you would 476 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 12: take it, so don't worry about your start. Let's just 477 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 12: go back out there and try to execute our game plan. 478 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 2: Okay, but was there a point when you bogie five 479 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: to the first six where you go, well, I had 480 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: a good run. 481 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 12: Yeah, I think on number number six when I couldn't, 482 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 12: I've made one par on a par five and it 483 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 12: was still a grinding par. But I'm I'm hitting flag sticks, 484 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 12: spinning off the green, hitting rakers, rakes that are bounding 485 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 12: just outside the bunker where I can't even hit the ball. 486 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 12: I was just like, Okay, I guess it's not meant 487 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 12: to be. But maybe that kind of helped me. You 488 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 12: have the right mental aspect to where you know if 489 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 12: it's meant to be to happen. 490 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 11: If not, then I'll just take what it gives me. 491 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 2: Congratulations, a lot of fun. As rich Lerner said on 492 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 2: the Golf Channel, that you beat the best, but you 493 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 2: beat the beast as well. That was Oakmont. 494 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 5: I love that. 495 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 11: Thank you, Dan, I'm so honored. 496 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 2: Congrats Thanks Dan, Thank you JJ spahn us Open champ. 497 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 498 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 499 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 500 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: listen live. 501 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 2: Brian Scalabrini's Celtics analyst and co host of the starting 502 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 2: lineup on Sirius XM NBA Radio won a title with 503 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 2: the eight Boston Celtics. Help me understand when a player 504 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 2: is hurt. I don't know if he's injured, but he's 505 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 2: hurt Tyrese Haliburton, and he hasn't played well, and you 506 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: know you're going to play a game six back in Indiana. 507 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 2: Why have Tyrese Haliburton go out there and played the 508 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 2: second half last night? 509 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 5: Yeah? I don't. I think that's up in the air. 510 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 5: Hurt or injured? Right If a guy is hurt and 511 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 5: it's the NBA Finals, you can't punt on a game. 512 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 5: So you guys got a roll with it. I mean 513 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 5: they got it within two they There could have been 514 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 5: a few things that could have happened. I know he 515 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 5: wasn't playing well, but his impact was still there. Even 516 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 5: if you look at the play that Nemhard turned the 517 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 5: ball over, they were still fai starting Tyree Halliburn thirty 518 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 5: forty five peep from the basket. So he was impacting 519 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 5: the game. He was on a run. He's had those 520 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 5: heroics throughout the playoffs. You got to roll the dice 521 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 5: on that. 522 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I know I get another game. I 523 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,239 Speaker 2: want him to be really good. In game six. I 524 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 2: just don't want him to be kind of average the 525 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 2: way he was last night, and the bench was unbelievable, 526 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: Like I would have stayed with that. And look, I'm 527 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: sure Rick has far better intel than any of us 528 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 2: of how Tyree's was really feeling. He couldn't even get 529 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 2: shots off though, Brian, yeah. 530 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 5: He couldn't get by people. But Dan, you saw what 531 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 5: he has done throughout the playoffs. If you're banking on 532 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 5: a guy to help you, if it's a close game, 533 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 5: that's what you're banking on. And by the way, like 534 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 5: it wasn't him, like the Nemhar turnovers, that little sequence 535 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 5: right there, that was it and they had it. I 536 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 5: mean they did a great job of cutting that back. TJ. 537 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 5: McConnell did a great job of like just to you know, 538 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 5: bringing the energy. But you know, I just think with 539 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 5: a guy like Haliburt, you never know. Listen Michael Jordan 540 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 5: during the Flu game, he was out there playing and 541 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 5: you know he kind of figured it out as you win. 542 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 5: I'm not comparing the two, but it's just one of 543 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 5: those things, right, you never know. And I don't think 544 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 5: you can ever just say, like, well, live to fight 545 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 5: another day. Especially when TJ. McConnell and that group, that 546 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 5: bench group got him back into the game. I would 547 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 5: have done the same thing with Haliburton. 548 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 2: Seems like Okac is going against the analytics because they're 549 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 2: not about shooting threes. Yeah, I don't know what they're 550 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 2: going to basketball. They may ruin basketball as we know it. 551 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 5: Because they're not firing up threes, or they could be 552 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 5: saving basketball. And I mean they won a game when 553 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 5: they made three three pointers. You know, it's a copycat league. 554 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 5: I think the pendulum kind of swung too far. Everyone 555 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 5: trying to copy the Boston Celtics. It would be really 556 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 5: interesting to see if there's a few teams out there. 557 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 5: You've noticed that the Orlando Magic just acquired Desmond Vane 558 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 5: and they're not a great three point shooting team, but 559 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 5: they are great rim attack team and they're a great 560 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 5: defensive teams. So you know, maybe we should look at 561 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 5: that team a little bit differently now now that teams 562 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 5: are doing a much better job of guarding the three 563 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 5: and taking the three away. 564 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 2: You're a part of the Celtics broadcast team. What kind 565 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 2: of changes any big changes in the offseason for Boston? 566 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think the It was one of 567 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 5: those moments, like when Tatum went down with the injury, 568 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 5: I think their path would have looked very different this 569 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 5: year than when now that like we don't know if 570 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 5: he's going to miss the entire year. But the clictive 571 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 5: bargaining agreement, the second apron them punitive repeater tax, like 572 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 5: they just don't make it feasible to keep these teams 573 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 5: together anymore. 574 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 4: So I don't know. 575 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 5: Who's the guy. I don't know if it's Holiday or 576 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 5: Perzingis or both or Brown, you know, like, I don't 577 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 5: know what's going to happen. I just know that the 578 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 5: Celtics are going to make a conscious effort to get 579 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 5: underneath that tax, and we'll kind of kind of we'll 580 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 5: see what they end up doing after that. But it 581 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 5: kind of gave them a natural reset with Tatum getting hurt. 582 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 2: Is Kevin Durant still that attractive? 583 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's hard when you have so there's a few 584 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 5: things right, So they're in the second apron. You can't 585 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 5: aggregate salaries unless the team has space, so you have 586 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 5: to take a young team with cap space. And yet 587 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 5: if they have cap space, they usually have like a 588 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 5: few good players. Yeah, Phoenix wants those good players. So like, 589 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 5: when you add it all up, and if Kevin Durant 590 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 5: was thirty, it'd be very different. But when you add 591 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 5: it all up, it's going to be a weird trade 592 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 5: and the Phoenix Suns are not going to get the 593 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 5: value they need and the teams are going to say, 594 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 5: we're fine, we don't need Kevin Durant. You better take 595 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 5: what we give out there. It's not anything we've ever 596 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 5: experienced before. Remember those trades nine players for two, Like 597 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 5: those things can't happen anymore with the way the rules 598 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 5: are so complicated. Yes, talk to general managers or scouts 599 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 5: or all these people that know CAP Like, it's there's 600 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 5: not as many options out there for Kevin Durant where 601 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 5: he could pick his pick and choose where he wants 602 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 5: to go, and then Phoenix doesn't have to send him 603 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 5: to the places he wants to go. So I think 604 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 5: this trade is very, very complicated. 605 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 2: And it feels like nobody cares about draft picks anymore. 606 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 5: They do, they do. 607 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 2: If you're in the lottery, you care after that. 608 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 5: All right, So do you feel Dan that the East 609 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 5: is wide open with Indiana making this run? Wouldn't you 610 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 5: say like yes, okay, Like no one picked Indiana to 611 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 5: win a championship. I mean make maybe one person out 612 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 5: one hundred, right, So I just think that that puts 613 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 5: a lot of pressure on these other organizations. And what 614 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 5: do you want, Like, let's the Desmond Bine deal. Is 615 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 5: a pick this year, a pick next year, and two 616 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 5: players that probably can't help you win a championship. Let's 617 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 5: just throw that out there at coldwell, Pope, you would 618 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 5: think yes, but he misshot, So let's just say no. Well, 619 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 5: that can end up being like forty million dollars of 620 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 5: salary the next two years, and you're not sure that 621 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 5: those guys are going to you get over the hump. 622 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 5: Now you could send all that's in a couple more 623 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 5: assets and you're getting a guy like Desmond Binge where 624 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 5: you feel like you can. So I think the teams 625 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 5: because of Tatum's injury, because of what Indiana did, maybe 626 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 5: the fact that you don't need all this three point shooting. 627 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 5: I think teams think about Niece Smith and Nemhar like 628 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 5: second round pick and a guy that Celtics traded are 629 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 5: starting in the NBA Finals and they have a chance 630 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 5: to win a championship. 631 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 4: I think it fast. 632 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 5: Forward to a lot of timelines out there. 633 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, the East is open. I don't know 634 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 2: if I could say the Knicks are, you know, going 635 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 2: back to the Eastern Conference finals. If the Celtics were healthy, 636 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 2: then they don't get there, Cavaliers. It feels like, you know, 637 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 2: all things fell into place for the Knicks. I still 638 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 2: believe though, Brian, that the Knicks we're going to fire 639 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 2: Tom Thibodeaux before the playoffs started, they were going to 640 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 2: fire him. Then all of a sudden, you have success, 641 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 2: which you know, the optics were bad, like, oh my god, 642 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 2: he got you the Eastern Conference funds. I just think 643 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: he he won his way into good favor with the 644 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 2: fans of the reaction, but management wasn't going to keep him, 645 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: and then they don't have a successor that's what's surprising 646 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 2: right now. 647 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, the whole thing is strange. And the goalpost was 648 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,479 Speaker 5: classically moved here. You got to beat Detroit or you're 649 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 5: going to get fired. Oh you can't get blown out 650 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,479 Speaker 5: by the Celtics, or you're going to get fired. Then 651 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 5: you beat the Celtics and somehow, all of a sudden, 652 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 5: like we look at the Pacers, I think we all 653 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 5: can agree, like no one has analyzed that team correctly. 654 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 5: They're really good. They guard, they move it, Kyri's Halliburn's good. 655 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 5: And when they lost to the Pacers, somehow like they 656 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 5: management spun it, like the Pacers weren't a good basketball team. 657 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 5: So I just like, I think, I think you're right. 658 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 5: They had it in their mind and they were just 659 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 5: looking for a reason to do it. 660 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 2: Brian Scalabrini, Celtics analysts for NBC Sports Boston, co host 661 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 2: of the Starting Lineup on Sirius XM NBA Radio. Give 662 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: me your non white guy comp for Cooper Flag. 663 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 5: Oh oh, I don't do the white guy. I think 664 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 5: I think it's Lebron James, but without having to be 665 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 5: like two hundred and sixty pounds and like a freight train. 666 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 5: Cooper Flag is a supercomputer, a super dan. He's a 667 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 5: super computer. Everything you tell him, within twenty four hours, 668 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 5: he figured it out the next time you tell him 669 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 5: something else. I was working him ount in Maine. On 670 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 5: day two. I pretty much came to him and his 671 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 5: parents and said, listen, I can't help you anymore. 672 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 2: You need to reach out explain how this happened. 673 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 5: So his trainer and me are really close friends. When 674 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 5: Cooper was not even a high school student yet, he 675 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 5: was a freshman, but he hadn't played a high school game. 676 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 5: Cooper came down to play in my pickup game down 677 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 5: here in Boston. You know, it's about a three hour drive, 678 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 5: maybe four hour drive. He came down and he wanted 679 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 5: his trainer wanted me to get my eyes on Cooper, 680 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 5: and he told me I got a thirteen year old 681 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 5: that could play against you main kids and he can 682 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 5: hold his own. And Dan, I don't believe that for 683 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 5: one second. It's another over exaggeration of a kid. But 684 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 5: after seeing him, I totally believe it. And he said 685 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 5: it would always be the same thing. He'd kind of 686 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 5: take like fifteen twenty minutes to figure it out, and 687 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 5: then he's like right there neck and neck with twenty 688 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 5: three year olds, twenty two year olds when he's thirteen 689 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 5: years old. Right. I saw it for myself. It was 690 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 5: the same thing when he came down and played with us, 691 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 5: and from then on, like I kind of like made 692 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 5: some phone calls like John Shire and USA Basketball to like, no, 693 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 5: I don't think you guys understand this guy is like 694 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 5: I've never seen anything like that before and over time 695 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 5: I've been close to him and worked him out and 696 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 5: stuff like that, and they got to a point where 697 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 5: I just couldn't help him anymore. He was just too good. 698 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 5: He just picked things up. Workouts were supposed to be 699 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 5: challenging and you're supposed to push guys to do something 700 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 5: better than they normally can, and he just kept mastering 701 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 5: every single thing. And you talk around around the NBA, 702 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 5: and you talk around about guys they're always seeing the 703 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 5: Ron is like that. Like Lebron can act like he's 704 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 5: not paying attention to shoot around, and he can call 705 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 5: every action, every play on what they're trying to get 706 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 5: and how they got this on with four thirty six 707 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 5: to go at this much in the fourth quarter, so 708 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 5: watch out for it. And he's kind of like not 709 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 5: even engaged. So I'm not saying Cooper's like not engaged, 710 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 5: but I'm just saying I've never met and I've been 711 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 5: around a lot of players, I've been around Hall of 712 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 5: Fame players, I've never met someone that just can pick 713 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 5: up things at such a high rate. And I think 714 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 5: that that's when people talk about NBA players, they wonder 715 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 5: how this guy make it? And this guy's six to eleven, 716 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 5: and he's long, and he's athletic, but he doesn't make it. 717 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 5: A lot of it has to do with their computer, 718 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 5: their processor, and he just processes on a rate that 719 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 5: I've never seen before. So I'm only assuming that it's 720 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 5: like Lebron James. 721 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 2: What's the best performance you ever witnessed in person? 722 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 5: Probably Lebron in Game six against the Celtics when they 723 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 5: were down three to two gainst in Miami, and he 724 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 5: just came in and like forty five thirteen and nine 725 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 5: and he didn't even break a sweat. It was probably 726 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 5: that I saw Paul Pierce when I was playing with 727 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 5: the nets. He had a subpar first half and he 728 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 5: dropped forty eight in the second half in overtime, and 729 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 5: I couldn't believe it. I could not believe what I 730 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 5: was watching. And I didn't think like Chamberin could score 731 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 5: one hundred points in the game. I thought that that's crazy. 732 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 5: Then I watched Pier score in a second half forty 733 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 5: eight in overtime that was up there. And then I 734 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 5: think that Vince Carter eight minute flurry of like twenty 735 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 5: five points or something like that in the first quarter, 736 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 5: and I was on his team at that time, like 737 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 5: other worldly performances. 738 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 2: It's weird when I watched Paul Pierce because I don't 739 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 2: know if he does anything, he did anything really well 740 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 2: other than score, Like he's just meant to be a scorer. 741 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 2: And I watched SGA and now SGA can get to 742 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 2: the hoop in mid range jumper. But there's no highlights there. 743 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 2: There are just certain guys who were scores do it 744 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 2: in a methodical way that you know what's happening. It's 745 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 2: not I'm going above, you know, I'm the rim or anything, 746 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 2: you know, crossing you over crazy. And Pierce and SGA 747 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,919 Speaker 2: kind of remind me of each other. 748 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 5: That's funny that you bring that up, because I actually 749 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 5: he reminds me a lot of Jalen Williams, like the 750 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 5: guy who just scored forty last night. I'm like, it's 751 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 5: Jalen Williams, like a more athletic Paul Pierce. But Dan, 752 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,240 Speaker 5: it comes down to this, and SGA's in this category, 753 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 5: and there's a few guys that are in this category. 754 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 5: It's the ability to navigate space with people on your body, 755 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 5: like typically when you are you know, like you are 756 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,760 Speaker 5: playing defense and you have a guy on your body 757 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 5: and you can dictate them, right, that's what we do 758 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 5: for a living, Like that's how we guard. But Paul 759 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 5: was never affected by that no matter. He like almost 760 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 5: looks and seeks out contact and encounters contact. And that's 761 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 5: what makes those guys, like you said, they're not. When 762 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 5: you're on a guy's body, it's hard to elevate way 763 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,959 Speaker 5: above the rim, like it happens with separation. Michael Jordan 764 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 5: the greatest player ever because he separates, and because that 765 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,280 Speaker 5: when he separates, he can elevate. Well, those guys don't separate, 766 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 5: but they stay connected, but they can navigate their space 767 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 5: while connected. That's what makes those guys special, but also 768 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 5: doesn't create super highlights. 769 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 2: Who's the best scorer? Who is the worst defender? The 770 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 2: best scorer, who was the worst defender? I mean, it's 771 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 2: gotta be some guy that doesn't play well, no, like 772 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 2: you know Barkley wasn't a good defender, or Larry Bird 773 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 2: wasn't a good defender. 774 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 5: It's going to be based off of size, Like. 775 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 2: Iverson didn't you know really play def. 776 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't throw the ball anywhere near his vicinity, 777 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 5: you know what, Like I'll tell you a guy that 778 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 5: I covered, and this I don't want to be disrespectful 779 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 5: to Isaiah Thomas, but he was a six scorer and 780 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 5: it's not like he didn't try. He did try, but 781 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 5: he's like five to nine, right, I think it's more 782 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 5: about that. Like people talk about James Hard seems hard 783 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 5: as big as hell, and he has quick hands, so 784 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 5: you could say he doesn't defend or anything like that, 785 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 5: but he's long, he's big. His size comes into play 786 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 5: most of the time in the NBA. When a guy 787 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 5: can't defend, it's hard to even pick up. It's the 788 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 5: cumulative effect of one hundred possessions of a guy being 789 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 5: short with short arms that becomes an issue. But those big, 790 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 5: strong guys like Barkley was the defensive rebounder. You can 791 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 5: give him credit for that, right, There's a lot that 792 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 5: goes into it, but being an undersized guard is really challenging. 793 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I brought that up, you know, Kendrick Perkins brought 794 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 2: up that the Joker wasn't a good defender and therefore 795 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,919 Speaker 2: he shouldn't be the MVP whenever. That was a couple 796 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 2: of years ago, and I said, that's silly, because it's 797 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 2: called a defensive rebound yeah. Yeah, and he's a really 798 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 2: good rebounder. Yeah. But all of a sudden, Joe ell 799 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 2: Embiid should win because apparently he played more defense I 800 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,760 Speaker 2: guess than Joker. 801 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 5: I just find it. 802 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 2: We pick and choose on who plays defense and who doesn't, 803 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,280 Speaker 2: are going to call them out because they don't play defense. 804 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 2: Steph Curry doesn't play defense. I mean he plays the 805 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 2: passing lanes. 806 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he's not He's not awful. He's in 807 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 5: world class shape and he's strong as hell. So I 808 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 5: think I think the limitations for these guys are going 809 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 5: to be based off the size. Like Jalen Brunson in 810 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 5: the playoffs. 811 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 2: You know, like he's not a good defender, but. 812 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 5: It's just based off of size, Like it just adds 813 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 5: up over time. Every pass is not as contested, every rebound, 814 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 5: everything adds up when you are dealing with guys who 815 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 5: are small. But it's also credit to those guys how 816 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 5: remarkable they could be as players. 817 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 2: Okay, wait, how about Karl Anthony Towns. He can't play defense. 818 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 5: I don't know, Go watch the go watch the Denver 819 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 5: series last year. He's pretty good. I saw him that year, 820 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 5: I know, but giving him a pick and roll with 821 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 5: Tyreek Caliburn. 822 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 2: I know you gotta be careful because you know I 823 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 2: don't have to be careful. 824 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 5: I'm saying like, like it's one of these things that 825 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,800 Speaker 5: Rudy Gobert. Here's a great example of that. Rudy Gobert 826 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 5: and Luka Doncic. Everyone is killing Gobert on that. Gobert 827 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 5: is one of the most the best defensive players of 828 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 5: our generation impact wise, but he gets isolated two times 829 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 5: on Luca and they think he's terrible. That that's that's 830 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 5: a small snapshot of what a guy does. His size 831 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 5: is a factor. 832 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 2: So it's like Luca doesn't play good defense. 833 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 5: For his size. He doesn't play good defense. And you 834 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 5: know what, finally just came. You know what, Dan, you 835 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 5: just saw the equation. He's probably the best scorer who 836 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 5: doesn't guard. There you go. 837 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 10: There. 838 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 2: We eventually got around to it. All right, Hopefully I 839 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 2: didn't get you in trouble. 840 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 5: I probably will be every time I want your showing 841 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 5: in trouble. 842 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 2: Thank you, Brian. All right, that's Ryan Scalabrini.