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Speaker 1: The Saint Louis Cardinals off season is officially underway. In

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Speaker 1: the last four days, John Mozelock has stepped down, Heim

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Speaker 1: Bloom has stepped up, Alie Marmel is back heading into

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, and Buildwick Junior has pledged to spend

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Speaker 1: money differently heading into a crucial winter here in Saint Louis.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cardinal Territory, the official Saint Louis Cardinals

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Speaker 1: podcast of the Foul of Territory Network. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Katie Woo. Let's just cut to the chase. The Heim

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Speaker 1: Bloom era is here at long last. The Cardinals new

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Speaker 1: president of baseball Operations was introduced Tuesday at BUSHADI and

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Speaker 1: by Chairman Bildowa Junior. And I've had many many people

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Speaker 1: ask me my thoughts on the introductory presser. First things

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Speaker 1: were first things first, excuse me. Press conferences are essentially

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Speaker 1: exactly that, right, especially an introductory one such as this.

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Speaker 1: It was unique because it just has doesn't happen a

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Speaker 1: just based on what we've known about the history of

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Speaker 1: this franchise. Still, I thought him's opening comments essentially part

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Speaker 1: For him to touch on the history of the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: starting with branch Rickey and going all the way through

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Speaker 1: It showed his appreciation of the history of this organization

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Speaker 1: and also if you listen to what his goals are

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Speaker 1: and what his intentions are with this franchise, really brought

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Speaker 1: a kind of fresh, modernized approach, which I think is

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Speaker 1: exactly what this organization needs. The Saint Louis Cardinals are

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Speaker 1: not the Saint Louis Cardinals about their history and tradition.

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Speaker 1: It is what makes this franchise unique. It's what it's

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, it is what makes this franchise special. However,

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Speaker 1: modernized baseball team, I don't think would be accurate. So

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Speaker 1: to get the Cardinals forward to where they need to be,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get to that where the vision for the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: you have to appreciate the history, acknowledge the history, and

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Speaker 1: then figure out how you can modernize the organization and

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Speaker 1: compliment both things, both the past and the future, and

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Speaker 1: I thought him's opening presser spoke to the importance of

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Speaker 1: doing so. So let's talk about that presser. If you

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Speaker 1: haven't already, you can hear and read about it on

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Speaker 1: the Athletic. The main quote that stood out to me

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Speaker 1: shortcuts and we won't. I think him made it very

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Speaker 1: very clear his expectation for the organization going forward is

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Speaker 1: to make the Cardinals contenders again. And we've talked about

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Speaker 1: Let's read some quotes from that press conference. Hein Bloom said,

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Speaker 1: acknowledge that because they aren't. He continued to say, we

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Speaker 1: we are not where we expect ourselves to be. Our

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Speaker 1: goal is to fuel the team every year that can

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Speaker 1: right off the bat. He's established exactly what the goal is.

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Speaker 1: The goal is to compete for the division. The goal

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Speaker 1: It was fun, well it lasted. That is no longer

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Speaker 1: the expectation, nor should it be. Hein Bloom went on

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Speaker 1: but we need more. Our top priority will be to

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Speaker 1: out right here with his priority. Short term sacrifices, hard decisions, yes,

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Speaker 1: We will always want to win, all right, that's a

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Speaker 1: we have it laid out. Do we know exactly who's

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Speaker 1: in terms of how introductory press conferences go. Now. There

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about ownership. At that same press conference,

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Speaker 1: Another thing that's different about ownership spending habits. According to

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Speaker 1: So ownership knows they have to change things that say

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Speaker 1: nothing about the business operations with BUILDEW with the third

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Speaker 1: no kidding. The Cardinals ranked nineteenth in attendance. Here's some

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Speaker 1: until you see significant changes, which is your right. Bildowt

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Speaker 1: These are all things ownership welly spending on business wise,

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Speaker 1: But it was pretty clear to me watching those two

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Speaker 1: importantly arguably how he interacted with his players, especially in

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Speaker 1: What the Cardinals front office, John Moseaylock asked Allie Marvel

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I'll just read this quote from Brennan

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Speaker 1: say it better than I can. Before the season started,

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Speaker 1: We cannot control wins and losses. What we can control

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Speaker 1: is our preparation and our style of play. Allie held

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Speaker 1: us accountable to that. It's a sign of good leadership.

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Speaker 1: Donovan went on to say, you look at what he

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Speaker 1: I think he did a hell of a job. When

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Speaker 1: noting what kind of situation you were brought into, and

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Speaker 1: noting that you did not lose the clubhouse. In fact,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of a no brainer to bring Alli back,

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Speaker 1: and if they go anywhere, I'll be monitoring, you know,

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Speaker 1: that a couple of other cardinal names to monitor as

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Speaker 1: we go in to the managerial carousel of twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: there are already so many openings. Albert Pools, perhaps you

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Speaker 1: Angels managerial job. He is at When I say leading

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Speaker 1: candidate according to multiple sources tools to myself, Ken Rosendal

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Speaker 1: So we'll see how that goes. Ron Washington, of course,

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Speaker 1: was told he was not coming back. Neither was interim

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Speaker 1: Will he get a job managing again. He is currently

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Speaker 1: Operations of the Texas Rangers, Chris Young. Bruce Bochi and

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Speaker 1: the Texas Rangers decided to mutually part ways a couple

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Speaker 1: of days ago. So that spot is opening certainly looks

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Speaker 1: like a pretty easy subway for Skip Schumacher should he

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Speaker 1: Skip is highly sought after and it's believed he'll be

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Speaker 1: a manager as soon as he wants to be once

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Speaker 1: more after two year stint with My Marlins. One more

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Speaker 1: name to watch out Cardinals bench coach Channel Discalso is

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Speaker 1: seen as a rising star as a potential manager, real candidate.

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Speaker 1: He is sure to get at least a couple of interviews.

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Speaker 1: He interviewed for the open for the White Sox job

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Speaker 1: that was opened last year in twenty twenty four, and

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Speaker 1: I would expect again with multiple different destinations valuing player

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Speaker 1: development and a modern game, that he'll get a look.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if San Francisco, now that Bob Melvin was

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Speaker 1: let go, would be an option for an interview place.

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Speaker 1: After all, Discalso is from the Bay Area. So those

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Speaker 1: are the three names I'm watching from the Cardinals. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: we'll have more news about the coaches soon. Until then

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Speaker 1: and he can say up to date with everything else

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Speaker 1: here at Cardinal Territory, Bernie and I will be back

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Speaker 1: with you all soon. I'm out of here. Taylor Swift

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Speaker 1: is dropping a new album in ninety minutes. I got

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Speaker 1: our mentally prepare for that. Thanks always for following Hope.

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Speaker 1: It was a very very busy first week of the

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Speaker 1: off season for my sake, hopefully it's not that way anymore.

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Speaker 1: But for your sake you already know we'll have plenty

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Speaker 1: of the action covered here for you. This is Cardinal Territory.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for watching, Jack,