1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Offensively. Everyone is on the same page, from the head 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: coach to the OC so of course the quarterback. Welcome 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: Bird Gang. On today's show, Zach Kershman joins me. Got 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: a special guest joining us as well. Charles Robinson, senior 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: NFL reporter for Yahoo Sports, recently visited Cards Camp. We 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: get his thoughts on the twenty twenty four Arizona Cardinals. 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: He is very high on Kyler Murray and company. First though, 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: some quick Cards Camp notes. It's Cardinals cover two, episode 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: seven to seventy six, and it starts now. 10 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: Puda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable. 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast. 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 3: He's a a ten half of five. 16 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 4: He's it again some more Harry Magic. 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: Whoa, here's Craig Grieler. 18 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: So we subscribe to the Bill Belichick mantra. 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 4: No days off, zero days off, as. 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: We come to you here on this day off for 21 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: the coaches and players on this Wednesday, but not for 22 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: you and Isaac. 23 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 4: I don't know what a day off looks like, sounds like, 24 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 4: feels like it's grind time. 25 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: Right now? 26 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: Are you saying your boss works you're too hard? 27 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 4: On a second, let's rewind here, all right. I don't 28 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 4: ever want a day off, you know. Jonathan Gannon was 29 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 4: talking about do you give a player a veterans day off? Well, 30 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 4: some of these guys don't even want to come off 31 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 4: the field. Well, we don't want to. 32 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 3: Take off the headsets. 33 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: Okay, right, it's a better answer. 34 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 4: It's a better answer on to cover two, not onto Cincinnati, 35 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 4: on to cover two. 36 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: I'll say this though, was interesting because the question was 37 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: asked of JG on Tuesday about how this training camp 38 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: schedule has been set compared to last year, because it's 39 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: been three days of practice day off, three days of 40 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: practice day off, which is very similar to the regular 41 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: season practice Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, walk walk through Saturday, and 42 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: then you play on Sunday. So the idea of training 43 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: camp mimicking the regular season already you're getting guys into 44 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: a routine. 45 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 4: Of course, there's a science behind it as well. I mean, 46 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 4: we talked that nauseum about the amount of work that 47 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 4: goes on behind the scenes when it comes to sports 48 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 4: science and analytics and what works for the players, what doesn't, 49 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 4: and all of it is very real. The realist thing 50 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 4: of it all is when you're able to simulate what 51 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 4: it's going to be like in week twelve, week thirteen, 52 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 4: when you're going to get ready through the tough stretch 53 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 4: of the season, hopefully pushing towards a playoff spot. So 54 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 4: they're simulating in right now in July, and it makes 55 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 4: total sense why and it's going to come to fruition 56 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 4: for them. 57 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: We do have the opportunity here momentarily to hear from 58 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: senior NFL reporter for Yahoo Sports, Charles Robinson. We had 59 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: a chance to catch up with him not too long 60 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: ago to get his thoughts. He was on the Ozona Cardinals. 61 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: But first things, first year. A couple of notes from 62 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: Tuesday's practice. One, I saw a drill that I had 63 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: never seen before with the wide receivers Drew Terrell not 64 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: throwing footballs but throwing tennis balls to the wide receivers. 65 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 4: I saw that a little bit last season, but not 66 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 4: like not with all the players lining up and running 67 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 4: routes where Drew Terrell wasn't just tossing. 68 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: It at them. He was gunning them at them. It works. 69 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 4: It's great for a hand how it was reeling in 70 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 4: the catch. You want to grab the you want to 71 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 4: get the football at the nose of the of the ball. 72 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 4: And with the tennis ball, because of how small it 73 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 4: is compared to a football, it definitely helps with your 74 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 4: hand placement and also flew. It's like it's like picking 75 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 4: out butterflies in a sense, like when I was a 76 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 4: baseball catcher way back in the day, it was like 77 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 4: it was a matter of picking out butterflies, just going 78 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 4: and grabbing whatever you can. And when it comes to 79 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 4: the tennis balls, it's very similar. 80 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, great hand eye coordination. And you're right, he wasn't 81 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: just tossing tennis balls. He was throwing them in there. 82 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 4: You had some speed behind them, and it was good 83 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 4: to see it. 84 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: Again. 85 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: You're trying to do things a little bit different, just 86 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: to kind of break things up a little bit, but 87 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: also make sure that you're still getting that skill set 88 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: in to make sure you're working on your hands. And Yeah, 89 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: the football's bigger, oblong shape, so it's not easy to catch. 90 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: But you're going from a football that's what four times 91 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: five times six times the size of a tennis ball 92 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: when to stack them together. So it is a different 93 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: kind of thing, all right. The other thing that happened 94 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, and I don't want to alarm anyone, but 95 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: we had to wait until day six, practice six for 96 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: someone knock on wood to actually get hurt, if you will, 97 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: to leave the practice field, and we won't know anything 98 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: definitively until Thursday, when Jonathan Gannon addresses the media again, 99 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: yelled to frole, got rolled up on, got up, walked 100 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: off the field on his own power. I get the 101 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: sense though talking to some players in the locker room 102 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: Ljkyer didn't seem like it was too big of a deal. 103 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: In fact, oh, he's for a hole. It's going to 104 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: be fine. And I think that's when you're talking about 105 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: a center and for hold and how much he works 106 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: out and how much he takes care of his body. 107 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: Don't want to get people alarmed. You knew it was 108 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: gonna happen at some point, but all of a sudden, 109 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: you see your starting center and you're like, uh oh, 110 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 1: but let's hope everything is okay. 111 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 4: It's inevitable for players to get injured. Now you never 112 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 4: wanted to be any of your players, of course, because 113 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 4: you want your team to remain as healthy as possible. 114 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 4: You don't want anybody getting injured, period. But to see 115 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 4: for a whole walk off in his own power, it 116 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 4: was definitely encouraging. Once he did go down, he tried 117 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 4: getting back up and he couldn't and he went right 118 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 4: back down to the ground. If there was one positive 119 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 4: out of it, it was because Paris Johnson had a 120 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 4: big time block on Baall Nichols, and that's ultimately what 121 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 4: who fell over and are kind of rolled up on 122 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 4: yell defro hole, But Paris Johnson was looking good there 123 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 4: on the left side. It is encouraging to see the 124 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 4: plan come in place when it comes to Evan Brown 125 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 4: sliding over to center. And then you had that rotating 126 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 4: door between Isaiah Adams and John Gains, both of them 127 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 4: playing out there with the first team, So it was 128 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 4: encouraging to at least see it coming to come into 129 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 4: place and that they didn't take a step back when 130 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 4: they were running through the red zone drills. 131 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: Here, and that's when you have the versatility of an 132 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: interior offensive lineman. And then in the case of Evan Brown, 133 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: someone who started a lot for the Seahawks a year 134 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: ago at the center position. But to see John Gains 135 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: roll up in there to finish practice with the first 136 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: team at left guard, I think it's getting clearer and 137 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: clearer much like a year ago. There is a role 138 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: for John Gains. He stays healthy, he appears to be 139 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: your backup interior guy, whether that's at guard or center. 140 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, and johnthan again, and when John Gains did go down, 141 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 4: JAG said he's gonna have a role. And he gets 142 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 4: back and he's healthy, and throughout the offseason we kept saying, well, 143 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 4: what does that actually look like. 144 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: For John Gains. 145 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 4: Well, he's starting to carve for himself a really nice 146 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 4: spot on this team, and JG gave him a lot 147 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 4: of praise, saying he has looked really good out there. 148 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 4: He's getting closer to being at full go. And it 149 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 4: was very listening back to JG's first press conference where 150 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 4: he said that he's going to be limited, and then 151 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 4: he's a little bit less limited, and now he's very 152 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 4: close to full go. It's encouraging, especially with the first 153 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 4: preseason game soon to be on deck against the New 154 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 4: Orleans Saints. Now, how much or if John Gains plays 155 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 4: at all, still up in the air Johns again and 156 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 4: hasn't addressed that yet. He hasn't also been asked about that. 157 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 4: But if John Gains does come out there, it does 158 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 4: seem like that they're fairly confident in his health and 159 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 4: ready to go once game days come about. 160 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: That first preseason game a week from Saturday, August tenth 161 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: against the New Orleans Saints. That is the first preseason game. 162 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: Still time to get out here to State Farm Stadium 163 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: to see open practice here at Cards Camp. For information 164 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: on that, go to Azycardinals dot com forward slash camp tics. 165 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: That is, Azycardinals dot Com Forward slash camp Tics ti 166 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: X and they'll forget the red and white practice is 167 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: coming up on Saturday, all right. It is always good 168 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: to get the national perspective on the Arizona Cardinals. As 169 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, we recently had the chance to speak 170 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: with senior NFL reporter for Yahoo Sports, Charles Robinson, who 171 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: recently visited Cards Camp. So, someone in your position, you're 172 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: trying to see as many teams as possible here in 173 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: training camp, thirty two of them. I'm not sure if 174 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: you're being able to get all to all of them. 175 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: But why here, Why the Arizona Cardinals, why came here 176 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: last year? 177 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: You know, I think what was intriguing to me is 178 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: knowing being through the Philly organization and knowing the reputation 179 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 3: of coach Cannon being through the Titans organization before, and 180 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 3: knowing kind of the reputation of Moni and how he 181 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 3: liked to build teams, and so I was intrigued. So 182 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: I thought, you know, and it was funny because you know, 183 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 3: whenever you set up these visits, you always kind of 184 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 3: go through the process of like, all right, here are 185 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: the number of teams I can see in OTAs, and 186 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 3: then I try to get as many as I can 187 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: in training camps, but it's usually about you top out, 188 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: like fifteen six, fifteen to eighteen is kind of that range. 189 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: And I had the Cardinals on there last year, and 190 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 3: it was funny because I remember the conversation my at her. 191 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 3: He's like, really, He's like, you want to see the Cardinals, Like, 192 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 3: you know, things are kind of messed up, Kyler, Like 193 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 3: what's going on? And I'm like no, I was like, 194 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 3: you know, I kind of know the reps of the 195 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 3: guys that are going in. I would like to get 196 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 3: a chance to get in front of them before you know, 197 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 3: this thing really starts to get built. And I was 198 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: curious about Kyler, you know. I was like it was 199 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 3: one of those things where seeing what he looked like 200 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: at his best or the first half of that twenty 201 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 3: twenty one season, you know, and talking to other gms 202 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 3: in the league about him. When people start to speculate 203 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 3: if he'll be traded, there are a lot of guys 204 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 3: across the league they are like, hey, he's like, yeah, 205 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: there's gonna be interest. Like it doesn't whatever people think 206 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: about the contract or the injuries or whatever, you know, 207 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: they still saw him as that viable, star level quarterback. 208 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: So I was like, I want to get in here 209 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 3: to talk to these guys and see it. And so 210 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: it was natural to come in year two. But what 211 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: was interesting to me is looking back in year one 212 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 3: and kind of listening and looking at my notes. When 213 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 3: I talked to Money and coach Gannon, everything they told 214 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: me was spot on. Like I remember the first conversation 215 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 3: I think I had with Coach Gann. He said, you know, 216 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 3: I said, look what's going on, Kyle, Like like just 217 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 3: brass tacks really for real? Like all these things forget 218 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: all this stuff on the outside. And he said, look, 219 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: I'm going to tell people in the locker room that 220 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: if you're not behind him, you're not going to be 221 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 3: in this locker room. And I thought to myself, like 222 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 3: this is real, Like this is just the typical, like, hey, 223 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 3: I'm in here, I got this is the guy, I 224 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: got it back him or whatever. And then I watched, 225 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: you know, over the course of the season, as he 226 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: got closer and closer, and I was like, no, I 227 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 3: was like everything he said to me about like this 228 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 3: is we're gonna you know, this is the guy right now, 229 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 3: and Monnie saying, look, we want to get you know, yeah, 230 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 3: we're gonna assess him, but that's our guy. That all 231 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 3: stacked up and it was real. And then talking to 232 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 3: MANI about the roster churn who was gonna be on 233 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 3: the roster or not, and I came in real early 234 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 3: and I kind of thought, like Simmons, I don't think 235 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: Simmons gonna end up being here, Like I just kind 236 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: of from the comments of like what they wanted to build, 237 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 3: how they wanted to build, and it all came to fruition. 238 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: And I love honesty. So I'm like, if I go 239 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 3: to a place and I kind of see the build 240 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 3: and I like, you know, what they're doing, and they're honest. 241 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 3: I'll keep going back. I don't care what the you know, 242 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 3: record is, as long as I feel like it's it's 243 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: in the process of a build. And that's what I 244 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: felt like it was. And it was funny because MONI 245 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 3: was like, you know, I like to build inside out 246 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 3: free agency to accentuate, maybe some trades to accentuate, but 247 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 3: really I want to be able to build that culture 248 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 3: through the draft, even if it does take some time, 249 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 3: which is hard to do nowadays. You know, it's it's 250 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 3: you don't get not the three year, five year plan. 251 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 3: I started covering the league in twenty twenty one, twenty 252 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 3: twenty and people would say those phrase, we don't say 253 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 3: it anymore. Twelve draft picks, right, you know, you see 254 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,479 Speaker 3: just kind of how the draft was handled and navigated 255 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 3: in the picks and all those third round picks, and 256 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 3: I'm like, this is exactly what this guy told me 257 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 3: the plan was and so and then being competitive that 258 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 3: was the thing too. I was as funny. I was 259 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 3: talking to Mark Dalton then I told him, I said, 260 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 3: when I came out of Cardinals. It was funny. Everybody 261 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 3: I would come across and I'd talk about where I'd 262 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 3: been and I'd bring up the Cardinals. It was just like, one, 263 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 3: are they going to be one in sixteen oh to seventeen? 264 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 3: Is this k Are they going to go after Kleb? 265 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 3: Like all this stuff? And I was like, look, I 266 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 3: think they're going to be competitive, Like I think that's 267 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: the design to be competitive. And I don't know if 268 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 3: that's going to lead to a ton of wins, but 269 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 3: I'll bet you they'll be a more competitive team than 270 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 3: you guys think. And even in my own place my editors, 271 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: I'm like, listen, I'm not predicting, like, you know, eight 272 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 3: nine wins, but I'll bet you they'll give teams a handful. 273 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 3: And they did, you know, I mean there were a 274 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 3: number and then the way it ended. The way the 275 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: season ended, I think was really a stamp of it 276 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 3: being in the right direction. And in a way, it 277 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 3: kind of reminds me of when I went into San 278 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 3: Francisco when Kyle and John Lynch got there and they 279 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: flushed out like ninety percent of a roster over like 280 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 3: two year period. I mean, it was churn but you 281 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 3: kind of saw what the idea was, what the thought 282 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 3: process was, and that's what I like, you know. I 283 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: just like when I feel like you've got two guys 284 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 3: that are that are really locked in together and how 285 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 3: they want to build and fundamentally what they want to do. 286 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: I really like that. You brought up Kyler and we 287 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: only saw him for eight games. Yeah, but as he progressed, 288 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: especially towards the end of those eight games, Yep, the 289 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: win and loss record not a big deal. What did 290 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: you see from the outside him maneuvering the football up 291 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: and down the field, and then just how he was 292 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: able to galvanize everyone around him to where those questions 293 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: that you had a lot of people had about him 294 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: are completely now out the window. 295 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. I think to me it was I 296 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 3: was like, this is the perfect setup going into twenty 297 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 3: twenty four, right, Like you're kind of looking at this 298 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 3: as you know, it's a season you want to see 299 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 3: that stride forward. You need to see a season of health, 300 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 3: right you know. But I'm like, all right, functionally, what 301 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 3: else has to happen here? You have to get him 302 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 3: draft somebody, you know, go get some guys in the 303 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 3: skill positions. They did that right, and you know, Marvin 304 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 3: Harrison Junior is probably as pro ready as any prospect. 305 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: You know, I'm repeating what personnel guys are telling me, right, 306 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 3: But I mean I went to Michigan State. I watched 307 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 3: Big ten football off scenes guy for years. I'm like, God, 308 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 3: you know, get him, get him on the Big ten already. 309 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: So there's that aspect of it. And then it's like 310 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 3: the line. You know, okay, right and tackle got to 311 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: settle into those roles. Left guard, you know, if it's 312 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 3: a draft pick, kids got to you know, show up 313 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: and play and be serviceable. Got to get what you 314 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 3: got out of right guard. So I think it was 315 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 3: not just sort of what Kyler showed in December, which was, hey, okay, 316 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 3: he's still that guy. Is not gone the twenty twenty 317 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 3: one you know, first half of twenty one, twenty twenty 318 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: one player is not gone. He's still viable. He can 319 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 3: still be that that player. But then I think the 320 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: OC and that's the thing too. I don't I don't 321 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 3: know how much people know here, but like Drew Petsing's 322 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 3: got he's gonna he's gonna be on the head coaching 323 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: list next year. Like especially if there's a good season 324 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 3: this year, Offen because even last year when I was 325 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 3: asking guys like who who am I looking at, you know, 326 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: amongst play callers in the league, who are going to 327 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 3: be on these head coaching lists, you know in the 328 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 3: next couple of years, his name came up and they're like, look, 329 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 3: he's when you watch what he does schematically, that's where 330 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 3: the league is going. And so I think he's got 331 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: the O C, the right O C. I think he's 332 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: got now Marvin, you know who I think can step 333 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 3: in And I'm not going to say it's justin Jefferson 334 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 3: type of STU. I would never put that kind of 335 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 3: pressure on a kid, but he can step in and 336 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 3: be a very viable, you know, starring level player pretty quickly. 337 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 3: The depth in the backfield, the offensive line, A lot 338 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 3: of this team right now, I think, I mean Trey 339 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 3: McBride could be There were times where I watch him 340 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: last year and I'm like, this is like Sam Laporta, Travis Kelce, 341 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 3: like like this is where this guy belongs in this group. 342 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: So I think there's so much there offensively for them 343 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 3: to take a step forward. And to me, if you 344 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 3: ask me, like, what would the disappointment be it would 345 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 3: be that Kyler doesn't take that step or can't have 346 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 3: a healthy season right and I just feel like the 347 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 3: offense is the unit right now that's ready to take 348 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 3: that kind of quantum leap this year. Now. I don't 349 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 3: know what that'll lead to in terms of number wins 350 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 3: and all those things, but I think if you're a 351 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 3: Cardinals fan, regardless of the wins and losses, how they, 352 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 3: you know, turn out, if you see that big step 353 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 3: forward from Kyler in the offensive unit, that's a huge plus. 354 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: And now almost in a way, I almost kind of 355 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 3: look at like San Francisco when they went through that transition, 356 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 3: Detroit when they went through that transition, Like Detroit got 357 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: to where it was now. But the first year and 358 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 3: six games of Dan Campbell, I was like, man, I 359 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know if this is gonna how 360 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 3: is gonna happen. Jared Goff, you know, I don't know 361 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 3: if he was more than a throw in in that trade. 362 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden you start to see 363 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: the fundamental things that they wanted to do as a 364 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 3: front office and the head coach take root. And then 365 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 3: the back half of that second season you're like, Okay, 366 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 3: now they're going places. Now you can kind of see 367 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 3: where the momentum is taking them, and that's kind of 368 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 3: how I look at Arizona. 369 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 4: You mentioned that last year when you told people that 370 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 4: you're going to go see the Cardinals, they kind of 371 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 4: gave you that quizzical look. Just how different does it 372 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 4: feel this year going into a training camp practice, because 373 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 4: I'm sure when you told people you're going to be 374 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 4: going to State Farm Stadium, the question wasn't why, but 375 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 4: it was what are you looking for? 376 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Well it's funny too because now it's uh, 377 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: it was like, oh, Marvin, you know, going to see 378 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 3: Marvin Harris and then you know it's there's at least 379 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 3: there's a like, hey, I understand. But the funny thing is, 380 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 3: I still don't think it's the full realization of like 381 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: it's beyond just Marvin, right, Like Marvin's a draw, I 382 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 3: get it, and Kyler's a draw. Now that you know, 383 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 3: you're like, Okay, he's healthy, he's back playing again. But 384 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 3: I personally think it goes beyond that. I think this 385 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 3: is an offense and the NFC West is a horrible 386 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 3: division to view this year. I mean, I could just 387 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 3: tell you, like offensively, going through and seeing the Rams, 388 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: they look offensively like they're going to be a great team. 389 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 3: Like they if you know, I winded through their healthy. 390 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 3: Kyen Williams is healthy, the white Outs are health. We'll 391 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 3: see what happens with tight end. Offensive line looks like 392 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 3: it's pretty well rebuilt. They're gonna score It feels like 393 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 3: they're gonna score points. San Francisco, San Francisco. We'll see 394 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 3: what happens in Seattle. But I mean, it's it's gonna 395 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 3: be a very tough division. But I think offensively there's 396 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 3: gonna be a ton to like, particularly between the Rams, 397 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 3: the Cardinals and the Seahawks. And I so I think 398 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 3: that's what people have to understand. It's not just a 399 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 3: Marvin show. You know, people are gonna get if people 400 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 3: if people don't know who McBride is, they're gonna know, 401 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 3: right It's it's I feel like by the end of 402 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 3: this year they should understand that they should have understood 403 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 3: it last year. But yeah, I just think there's so 404 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 3: much more here than just this idea that well they 405 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 3: went and grabbed Marvin, and Marvin's the one that everybody 406 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 3: wants to come in and watch now. 407 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: Really disappointing to hear Zach Kim talk so highly of 408 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams the fact that they could score 409 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: Do we have to remind him where he's at? But okay, 410 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: but and you're right, this is a tough division. Teams 411 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: are going to score points. Okay, So how do the 412 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: Cardinals stop teams from scoring points? Year two for Rawls? 413 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: That seems to be where a lot of people have 414 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: the questions. A lot of changes along the front seven. 415 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: Where's the pass rush coming from? It's a young secondary. Yeah, 416 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: you got Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson on the back end, 417 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: but that quarterback needs to be pressured. And that's it's 418 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: a question that Zach and I have a lot of 419 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: Cardinal fans have as far as, Okay, well, yeah, you 420 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: might have this great offense, but you can only score 421 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: so many points. You got to be able to stop somebody. 422 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think that's the I was called a 423 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 3: gap year when you have one unit that's pretty far 424 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 3: ahead of another. And I do feel like that's where 425 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 3: the offense is right now in terms of the defense. 426 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 3: And I think the defense because it's like it's just 427 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 3: a personnel issue. You can't rebuild, especially if you're if 428 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 3: you say we're not going to free agency, and then 429 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: we're gonna splurge because we Hey, we feel like the 430 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 3: offense is where it needs to be, so let's splurge 431 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 3: on defense. I don't personally me. You know, through the 432 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: years and seeing how teams build, it's you know, that's 433 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 3: drinking a Coca cola. You can get the sugar high, 434 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 3: but there's the crash that comes with it, and I 435 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 3: think that they've avoided that sugar crash. You know, you 436 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 3: see the draft picks defensively, I think if you ask me, like, 437 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: what will help them compete immediately, I'm I'm personally, I think, Look, 438 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 3: it starts with the pass rush, right, it's still a 439 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 3: pass rush league. I think with all the salaries, the 440 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 3: craziness where the salaries go, the ones that aren't under 441 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 3: paid underpaid are the guys that get to the quarterback. 442 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: And I'm not just talking about pressure. I'm talking about 443 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 3: finishers and pressure guys, whether it's in the interior, the 444 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 3: defensive line of the edge. So to me, I think 445 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 3: it's look, especially in this division, you're gonna have to 446 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 3: get to mats Stafford, You're gonna have to get to 447 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 3: brock Purdy to be successful. If you can't do that, 448 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 3: the secondary is going to break down, regardless of who 449 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 3: you've got back there. But I do think it's a 450 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 3: gap year for the defense, you know, which is going 451 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 3: to be challenging schematically for you know, hey, the HCN 452 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 3: the DC, right, But I would say that that's where 453 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 3: you will see them continue to lean into heavy talent editions. 454 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: So if I'm looking at the twenty twenty five draft 455 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 3: and it's not a bad year to want to dive 456 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 3: into defensive players, that's where you know you're gonna see 457 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 3: a lot of that next off season of building. I 458 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 3: would urge people, and I say this everywhere I go, 459 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: particularly for teams that are going through the building process, 460 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 3: have some patients. You know, it's it's uh, I know 461 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 3: it's hard. But the worst thing I see in the 462 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 3: NFL as teams that constantly do the restart every couple 463 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 3: of years, or there's a different defensive coordinator, or it's 464 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 3: you know, they're they're scrapping this scheme or that just 465 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 3: especially fundamentally from the front office standpoint, allow the additions 466 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 3: to be made and groomed and build. That's what happened 467 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 3: in San Francisco. A lot of the strong pieces they 468 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: see now. Sandwichso has been aggressive at times, gone traded 469 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 3: for guys, signed guys, whatever. But there are players there. 470 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 3: When you look at you know they knew Fred Warner 471 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 3: he's going to be our guy. He's going to be 472 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 3: our rock, He's going to be the spine. You know, 473 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 3: you you they're going to have the ability to go 474 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 3: and get those guys. And I do believe in the 475 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 3: front office and in the coaching staff when it comes 476 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 3: to identifying those players, you just have to have the patients. 477 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 4: Marvin's obviously the first round pick that majority of the 478 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 4: people are going to talk about, right, But the Cardinals 479 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 4: second first round pick and Darius Robinson, especially on Yahoo's Sports, 480 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 4: they were heavily predicting Darius Robinson landing with the Arizona 481 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 4: Cardinals with that twenty seventh overall pick. Yeah, what do 482 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 4: you think he could bring to the table as an 483 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 4: interior lineman, because we know that he could play all 484 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 4: over the defensive line even standing up, but it can 485 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 4: stand in the dirt, That's exactly. 486 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 3: It's a flexibility, right, you know, that's the it's the 487 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 3: ability to I think one of the things when you 488 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 3: talk to I was so if you talk to like 489 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 3: Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan or you know, really really, 490 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 3: you know, Dan Johnson, you're just sort of like, what 491 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 3: what gives you fits? And there are two things they'll 492 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 3: tell you. They'll say from a scheme standpoint, disguise, like 493 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 3: if you can disguise, and then after the snap, if 494 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 3: the quarterback, if I, as a coach don't know what 495 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 3: I'm looking at after you snap, I know my quarterback doesn't, 496 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 3: and I'm freaking out because then there's going to be 497 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 3: a mistake. That's so I think it's the ability to 498 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 3: discout disguise. But the second thing, though, is interior pressure. 499 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 3: Like it's you can prepare for edge pressure, but if 500 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: you have a player that you can flex all across 501 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 3: that offensive line and try to, you know, get matchup 502 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 3: inefficiency for an offense, that's the biggest disrupt And quarterbacks 503 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 3: will tell you too, like you do not want the 504 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 3: pressure coming from the inside. So why Chris Jones got 505 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 3: paid what he got paid, It's why you know, they 506 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 3: were like, all right, let's make him a defensive end 507 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 3: and then they're like, you know what, like, let's let's 508 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 3: get this guy as close to the football as we 509 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 3: can and let him do his work. It's why Aaron 510 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 3: Donald's now, look, Aaron Donald all world player. There's no 511 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 3: doubt you need to throw two and three defenders at him. 512 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 3: But any player that can penetrate from the inside and 513 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 3: then you can, you know, from one down to the next, 514 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 3: move them around to figure out, you know, where the 515 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 3: inefficiency is on an offensive line is what can create havoc. 516 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 3: And I think that's why, particularly at our place, you know, 517 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 3: guys were so high on him, and I think if 518 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 3: you can get that from him, it gives you so 519 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 3: much flexibility upfront, and that's that's kind of a game changer. 520 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 3: So to me, this is one of those seasons where 521 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 3: you're like, if that bears out, he can be moved 522 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 3: around as sort of a chess piece. He can get 523 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 3: interior pressure, you know, when he's playing between the tackles. 524 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 3: That's a building block piece, right, And that's what I'm 525 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 3: talking about, the patients stacking those kind of a players 526 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 3: that give you that matchup ability. 527 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: Let's in this conversation with where it began and your 528 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,479 Speaker 1: comments about the leadership here many Austin Fort Jonathan Gannon. 529 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: We see it on a daily basis. They seem to 530 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: be in sync on everything that they do outside of 531 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: this bubble that we are in. How does it look 532 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: as far as the potential future for this organization moving forward. Yes, 533 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: it's about the players, but you got to have the 534 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: right people in place to get those players to come here. 535 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 3: I think there's I think people are looking at the 536 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 3: Cardinals and they're going, oh, we see how the build 537 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 3: is happening, Like, we get it. You know, you have 538 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 3: to have the results to back that up. So I 539 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: wouldn't say that people are like, hey, they got it. 540 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 3: It's set. It's going in the right direction. I brought 541 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 3: up Detroit sort of like Detroit, you know, through the 542 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 3: first half of Dan Campll's tenure there, it was like 543 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 3: is this working? You know? And then you start to 544 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 3: focus on the front office and you're like there are 545 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 3: too many voices. Once that success comes, people start to 546 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 3: filter it through the success prism and go, why is 547 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 3: this working? And then you go, oh, the head coach, no, 548 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 3: now we see it is resonating that message. It's not 549 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 3: just talking. The player's truly fundamentally believing in it. I 550 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 3: think one of the things to me that was least 551 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 3: like most disappointing by far last year was that point 552 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 3: when the clip came out of Gannon addressing the team 553 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 3: and everyone's, oh my god, this guy is just he 554 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 3: can't talk to see. I'm like, this is a joke, 555 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 3: Like this is why I hate social media, because you 556 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 3: had all these people who never spoken to him, never 557 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 3: went through Philly and experienced that, don't understand how he 558 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 3: resonates with players, and then they see a clip and 559 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 3: they just decide it was It's the same thing. Frankly, 560 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 3: when Dan Campbell had his opening press conference right biting 561 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 3: cast he became a joke, right, And so it's like 562 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 3: one clip gets replayed and then it's like who is 563 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 3: this guy? And what is Nick Sirianni's first press conference 564 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 3: was a train wreck? Right, Like it was just a mess. 565 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 3: And then they're in the super Bowl and wow, how 566 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 3: that changed. And so to me when that clip came out, 567 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 3: and it was funny because I had arguments at my 568 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 3: own place, like literally on podcasts or whatever. I'd say, 569 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 3: I went in there, I sat with this guy and 570 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many times. It was funny. 571 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 3: We sat on a golf cart in the bowels of 572 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 3: the stadium for like half an hour just talking. I 573 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 3: can't tell you how many guys came by players who 574 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 3: were like yelling at him, like just like like juiced up. 575 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 3: And it wasn't fake. It wasn't that, you know, Oh 576 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 3: there's coach, I gotta say something. It wasn't that at all. 577 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 3: It was and he had a genuine rapport. And I 578 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 3: thought immediately, I'm like, that's a good thing, you know, 579 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 3: because you're supposedly going from a quote unquote players coach 580 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 3: in Cliff Kingsbury who's doing these unconventional things to lean 581 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 3: into this new younger generation, to somebody says, hey, got 582 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 3: to rein it in a little bit, got to tighten 583 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 3: it up a little bit. It's easier to keep it 584 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 3: tight and then loosen where you feel like, you know, 585 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 3: guys have earned it. And so I'm like, oh, is 586 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 3: that gonna be some cold water splashed on there? I 587 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 3: sat down there and I saw all these vets coming 588 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 3: through like hey, you know, and so I kind of 589 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 3: told guys like forget the clip, man, like just you 590 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 3: don't know, let it play out and so to me, 591 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 3: But I think it's still in transition, right, you got 592 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 3: to see the success. You gotta see. I think if 593 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 3: they show offensively what they can be this year, I 594 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 3: think people will start to there's going to be traction 595 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 3: where like, okay, we see it, you know where where 596 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: they're going. Now. What I worry about, particularly if you 597 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 3: have an offensive coordinator who already people are kind of like, hey, 598 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 3: he does some things that you know he might be 599 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 3: in this next group. I hate you don't want to lose. 600 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 3: I would hate to and I wish nothing but success 601 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 3: on the man. But I like to see teams kind 602 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 3: of keep it together for a little bit. Like in 603 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 3: Houston with Bob Slowick, Right, they have all the success 604 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 3: last year and they're able to keep them. You know, 605 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 3: Detroit's able to keep their offensive cord. I like that 606 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 3: at least until you get the quarterback to the point 607 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 3: where he's mastered the system and he kind of becomes 608 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 3: that OC a little bit. So I that's one thing 609 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 3: that I if I'm worried, I'm like, well, what if 610 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 3: the offense takes a quantum ley forward and then the 611 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 3: poaching starts to begin with the offensive coordinator? But I 612 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 3: think that's part of it and they should start working 613 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: on that now. 614 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: Well it's a negative, but the positive is that, well, 615 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: this team had success on offense and was able to 616 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,719 Speaker 1: show something in the course just the question defensively. Charles Robinson, 617 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: senior reporter, NFL reporter for Yahoo Sports. You can follow 618 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,479 Speaker 1: him at Charles Robinson. Great stuff, enjoy your time here 619 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: and we look forward to following you. 620 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 3: Along all season long. Absolutely, thank you for having me. 621 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. 622 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: Really a great conversation with Charles Robinson. I suggest you 623 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: follow him on social media at Charles Robinson and of 624 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: course read his work on Yahoo Sports. The senior NFL 625 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: reporter who as we mentioned, was here just recently, in fact, 626 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: it was on Sunday in which he was able to 627 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: stop by and visit the Arizona Cardinals and his training 628 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: camp notepad has been posted, and just want to quickly 629 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: go over some of his observations from training camp from 630 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: his perspective, and yeah, always starts with Kyler Murray of course, 631 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: and that's to be expected, but a lot of discussion 632 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: on the rookies, whether that was Tip Riman, Darius Robinson, obviously, 633 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison junior, but looking at some of his notes 634 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: that he posted on Twitter at Charles Robinson. The one 635 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: was Kyler Murray as far as playing a little bit 636 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: less out of structure, And I think too many times 637 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: we saw Kyler improvise because he had to. And I 638 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: believe the hope is, or the belief is that Kyler's 639 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: not going to have to be out of structure, maybe 640 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: at times, but not as much as we've seen in 641 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: the past. 642 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, we know that Kyler Murray has the ability and 643 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 4: the skill set to go off script and go make 644 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 4: a play, and go make that trademark Murray magic that 645 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 4: we have seen time in and time again. But you 646 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 4: don't necessarily want to rely on that. You want to 647 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 4: look at that as a crazy highlight two three, four 648 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 4: years down the line and say, wow, look at how 649 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 4: he was able to evade pressure or make something happen 650 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 4: out of nothing. But that's not the way you should 651 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,719 Speaker 4: structure your offense. You want to structure your offense in 652 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 4: the specific formations and to the play calls that Drew 653 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 4: Petson is going to be putting him through the headset. 654 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 4: So to see Kyler Murray, you know that he has it. 655 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 4: And while he says here like the staff wants to 656 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 4: shift that to more of a win necessary mindset. That 657 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 4: definitely needs to be the case. 658 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, less bang versus bust and more steady Eddie as 659 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: he wrote on Twitter. And then you get into the rookies, 660 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: or we should say, focused on the tight ends. Tip 661 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: Briman has certainly impressed the staff and more catching ability 662 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: than blocking ability. He can do him very He can 663 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: do both of them very well. But I think his 664 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: passing or his catching ability has certainly stood out so 665 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: far and training camp, and then staying on the subject 666 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: of tight end, he writes his fantasy fix tight end 667 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: Trey McBride scoring opportunity he's in the red zone will increase. 668 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: This is another jump season for him, which I think 669 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: you can certainly see, especially when the field gets smaller 670 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, if you do have Marvin 671 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: Harrison Junior on one side, James Connor of the backfield, 672 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: that underneath is going to be open for a trade McBride. 673 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 4: Especially the size of trade McBride. You want to have 674 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 4: the ability to throw the ball up there to somebody 675 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 4: and watch them come down and make the grab, and 676 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 4: you know that you're gonna have that from Marvin Harrison Junior. 677 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 4: So when you are in the red zone, a lot 678 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 4: of these teams are going to be focusing on that 679 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 4: threat of out there on at your potential wide receiver. 680 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 3: One. 681 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 4: You know what you have with Michael Wilson because he's 682 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 4: also another big body six foot two. He's able to 683 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 4: go up into the air and make him play. Trey McBride, though, 684 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 4: is a bigger body obviously, just in general, he's built 685 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 4: bigger than on your typical wide receiver at that tight 686 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 4: end spot. He I think all the time back to 687 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 4: that the game against the Steelers where they threw it 688 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 4: to him in the red zone within the ten yard 689 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 4: line and the play was ultimately called back. They said 690 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 4: it wasn't a touchdown, and then they went right back 691 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 4: to Trey McBride and he scored another touchdown in the 692 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 4: end zone with a spike for an exclamation mark. So 693 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 4: you know that as a fantasy owner, not that I 694 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 4: necessarily play fantasy sports, but as a fantasy owner, it 695 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 4: makes sense why Trey McBride should be one of the 696 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 4: first tight ends to come off the board. 697 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: Keeping on task here. As far as Charles Robinson's notebook 698 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: from his visit to Cards camp another rookie defensive lineman, 699 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: Darius Robinson. He kind of mentioned who he's keeping his 700 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: eye on and then wrote this, you want to see 701 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: coach Jonathan Ganna light up. Ask him about Darius Robinson, Well, 702 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: I think is going to play all across that line 703 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. 704 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 4: Once the pads came on and the physicality was able 705 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 4: to start to be showcased a little bit more, you 706 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 4: started to see Darius Robinson flash in these one on 707 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 4: one drills because of just his his stature. He is 708 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 4: so dominant and violent and physical and he has no problems. 709 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 4: He will talk about hand placement for days. When I 710 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 4: asked him a question a story about on Azycardinals dot 711 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 4: com right now about his time at the Sacks, I'm 712 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 4: in Las Vegas learning from Chris Jones and Von Miller 713 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 4: and Max Crosby, who he said is his favorite player. 714 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 4: When I asked him, what are the things that you learned, 715 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 4: I'm expecting the oh, how to be a pro and this, 716 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 4: this and that, and he did talk about that a 717 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 4: little bit, but he also said and hand placement and 718 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 4: went on a wholepeal about hand placement, your eyes where 719 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 4: you have to be pad level everything along those lines, 720 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 4: Darius Robinson is so far wise beyond his years as 721 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 4: a rookie, and he's coming into a system where he 722 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 4: could truly make an impact right away because of his 723 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 4: versatility all throughout the defensive line. 724 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: As I mentioned, Charles Robinson wrote about Marvin Harrison Junior 725 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: and just how polished he is, how much of a 726 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: veteran that he looks like in acts like so far 727 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: in Cards camp, which is what we have been seeing 728 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: so far here at State Farm Stadium, and then the 729 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: wild card. Another rookie, Isaiah Adams, who we touched on earlier, 730 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: getting some first team reps when Yoldefroholt went down during 731 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: Tuesday's practice, and according to Charles, Isaiah in the mix 732 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: potentially this season to be the starting left guard, but 733 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: maybe more term, maybe more of a longer term solution 734 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: for the Cardinals. 735 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 4: We've seen in most cases Evan Brown has been your 736 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 4: starting left guard with Yelled defro Hold at center. But 737 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 4: that's not to say we haven't seen John Gains or 738 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 4: Isaiah Adams lying operating between Yell defro Hold and Paris 739 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 4: Johnson Jr. We've seen that happen so far throughout cam 740 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 4: now not as frequently as we've seen Evan Brown. But 741 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 4: Isaiah Adams, you don't take him with the third round 742 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 4: that high of a pick, with the belief that and 743 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 4: with the expectation that he might be on the bench. 744 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 4: Now you might expect him to be on the bench 745 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 4: and learn for a year, but he very well could 746 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 4: be in the mix, especially because that's the one position 747 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 4: on the offensive line that is totally totally up for grabs. 748 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: So you talk about Isaiah Adams, Tip Ryman, Darius Robinson. What, 749 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: there's three? 750 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 4: And then I thought we were havy to have a 751 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 4: w W eastfield going Max Melton, But there's four. 752 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: Rabbit is five. It's a twelve player draft class, but 753 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:16,280 Speaker 1: potentially half of those players having considerable roles this season. 754 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 4: Oh no, yeah, Marvin Harrison junior, there are six, So 755 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 4: half of your draft class this season and then maybe 756 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 4: add to that in seasons to come. Yeah, that's not 757 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 4: to say that Elijah Jones doesn't make an impact on 758 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 4: special teams or even in the cornerback room. 759 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 3: With that battle. 760 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 4: While it seems like Sean Murphy Bunning is your cornerback one, obviously, 761 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 4: you know Gary Williams is going to be there and 762 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 4: Nickel packages. Now it's between Starling Thomas and Kee Trell 763 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 4: Clark and Max mellen over there for CB two. Although 764 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,959 Speaker 4: Max Mallan has been getting a lot of run during 765 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 4: these open portions of practices that we've been able to see, 766 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 4: it's not to say that Elijah Jones can't be in 767 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 4: the mix there as well. The rookie class, they took 768 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 4: all these players with a vision of where they were 769 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 4: going to be. They aren't just dept pieces. They can 770 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 4: be dept pieces, but they aren't. That isn't their sole purpose. 771 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 4: They're expected to get out there and they so far 772 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 4: they have been. 773 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: It's been impressive to watch them and will continue to 774 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: be impressive to watch them develop and groll in their roles. 775 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: And the next time you can see these Arizona Cardinals 776 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: rookies here at State Farm Stadium again, open practices Thursday, Friday, 777 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: the Red and White practice on Saturday. Go to Azycardinals 778 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: dot Com Forward slash Camp tis that's Azycardinals dot Com 779 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: Forward slash Camp ticks ti X and of course that 780 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: first preseason game coming up on Saturday, August tenth against 781 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints. 782 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 4: It's an exciting time football is right around the corner. 783 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 4: And I will say, although the days start to mush together, 784 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 4: and while we don't take an off day, it's starting 785 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 4: to fly by, and it's definitely an exciting time and 786 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 4: that Red White practice as well, fans can get a 787 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 4: taste of what this team's gonna look like on August third. 788 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: I say it all the time, but a lot to 789 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: be excited about concerning this twenty twenty four Zona Cardinals team. 790 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: And it's not just on the offensive side, but it's 791 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: the it's the offense, defense, and special teams overall. Year 792 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: two for Montie Austin Fort Jonathan Gannon hopefully and we 793 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: believe certainly increasing that win total from a year ago. 794 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. And again Red and White practice 795 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: coming up on Saturday, and then Saturday, August tenth, that 796 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: first preseason game against the New Orleans Saints. And on 797 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,720 Speaker 1: that note, we will put a lid on this edition 798 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, probably partner of 799 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,800 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive 800 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: producer Jim Mamahundra, our associate producer Cuddy Fincher for Zach 801 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: Gershman I'm preig Riolou. We'll talk to you next time 802 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: here on Cardinals cover two.