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Speaker 1: the medical worlds, biases, and blind spots when it comes
Speaker 1: to women's health. Please welcome them, Kate Helen down there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's a deep cut.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's Ben Folds five. Oh he's a quirky
Speaker 5: girl in high school.
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, yeah, I think. God, it's a good
Speaker 2: litmus test to know were you in band or theater? Both?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Ship? Okay, damn, Kate, I.
Speaker 5: Was an overachieving girl. Hell yeah, I played trumpet very badly.
Speaker 2: And I played trumpet too. No way, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: say very badly.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm sure trumpet my name. Look, I'm named after Miles Davis.
Speaker 2: There's no way I could have played that trumpet badly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was on that ship since eight years old.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to live up to that. I'm glad
Speaker 5: that pressure was not on me because I was using
Speaker 5: my dad's old trumpet that was bent, and so the
Speaker 5: entire rural in high school band had to tune to me.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 5: And then I was bad, like do you think that
Speaker 5: would make me good at it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 7: No, no, no no.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that they were accommodating.
Speaker 1: I guess super producer Justin Connor, also a trumpet player, who.
Speaker 2: I left out, not at all.
Speaker 1: I was named after Jack Sikma, an average NBA basketball player,
Speaker 1: and I was an average basketball player, and that's awesome.
Speaker 5: So I was named after Kate Hepburn, as my parents
Speaker 5: told me. And years later I was like, you mean
Speaker 5: Catherine and they were like, my name is just Kate.
Speaker 5: I don't have I'm not a Katherine or Kate Lenar.
Speaker 2: They called her Kate Hepburn back then.
Speaker 5: I guess my parents were I don't know if anyone
Speaker 5: else was Kate's friend Kate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, oh, you're named after Kate
Speaker 2: Hepburn obviously Kate.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, Kate's wonderful. Well, Kate, it's wonderful to have
Speaker 1: you here. Yes, we're going to get to know you
Speaker 1: a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going
Speaker 1: to tell the listeners a couple of things we might
Speaker 1: be talking about a little bit later on in the
Speaker 1: news section. We're going to just talk about the continuing
Speaker 1: attempt by the right to explain what's going on with
Speaker 1: this economy. This people seem to be feeling badly about
Speaker 1: how things are going economically. How do we spin this
Speaker 1: The vibes are bad. How do we spin this into
Speaker 1: actually we meant to do that?
Speaker 2: How do we spin it into.
Speaker 1: The trip into a light jog to pretend like you
Speaker 1: meant to trip and start jogging. Yeah, like that, that's
Speaker 1: what they're doing right now. So we'll look at some
Speaker 1: clips from around the right wing hemisphere, all of that
Speaker 1: plenty more. But first, Kate, we do like to ask
Speaker 1: our guests, Helen Downey, what is something for your search
Speaker 1: history that's revealing about who you are.
Speaker 5: I didn't have to go far to find one that
Speaker 5: was very revealing on a number of levels. I recently
Speaker 5: searched dropping tampon study experiment. I do a lot of
Speaker 5: research for my podcast and in my life in general,
Speaker 5: but I am not organized about like I'll read a
Speaker 5: study and be like cool and then not save it.
Speaker 2: In the old brain, but not in the old like yeah,
Speaker 2: like research journal, and.
Speaker 5: Then yep, I do not put the link to it anywhere.
Speaker 5: I just go like cool, I absorb the information. I'll
Speaker 5: definitely know where it came from forever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 5: And then when I'm writing an episode and I like
Speaker 5: have to immediately have it on hand or I'm going
Speaker 5: to lose all the thoughts in my head, I just
Speaker 5: frantically google until I find it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I think that's good. I think you're doing
Speaker 1: it right actually, because if you took down everything, like
Speaker 1: when I've tried to like do research and I'm like
Speaker 1: trying to be meticulous about like taking down every like
Speaker 1: source and everything, then I like lose track of what's
Speaker 1: actually interesting, Whereas like the if I'm just not if
Speaker 1: I'm just like going through and like reading as much
Speaker 1: as I can, and then the stuff that sticks sticks
Speaker 1: and the stuff that's not interesting like falls out of
Speaker 1: my head, then like that that actually seems to be
Speaker 1: a better way of like finding what works for me
Speaker 1: at least, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that works when you're looking up like articles. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but the thing with research studies and like clinical studies
Speaker 5: is they're never called they're never titled the things that
Speaker 5: make sense for what they contained.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The thing I remembered about this study was that it
Speaker 5: was an experiment where they had two They had a
Speaker 5: participant who would come into the room. There would be
Speaker 5: another person in like the way the way what they
Speaker 5: thought was the waiting room, and it would be a
Speaker 5: woman and she would have a purse, and so the
Speaker 5: person who was actually being tested in the experiment thought
Speaker 5: this was another participant, and this woman would drop something
Speaker 5: out of her purse. It would either be a tampon
Speaker 5: or a hairclip, and like drop it enough that the
Speaker 5: other person definitely saw it. And then later the people
Speaker 5: running the study would ask that the study participant a
Speaker 5: bunch of questions like, hey, that person you were with,
Speaker 5: Like what do you think of her? Like do you
Speaker 5: think she's capable? Do you think she is like would
Speaker 5: you hire her for a job, And had them like
Speaker 5: rate the person, And then they also had them choose
Speaker 5: a seat next to the person. After they came back
Speaker 5: from taking the test, they could choose to sit in
Speaker 5: a number of chairs that was either like closer to
Speaker 5: the person or further away. And in the experiments where
Speaker 5: the woman dropped a tampon, the study participant rated her
Speaker 5: lower on like wow, capability and higher ability and all
Speaker 5: these things, and sat further away from her. So, like,
Speaker 5: what would you put in a search bar to like
Speaker 5: find this experiment?
Speaker 1: Damn, yeah right, hairclip dropping exactly.
Speaker 5: I did tampon dropping study experiment and that didn't work,
Speaker 5: and it took me so long to find the actual study.
Speaker 5: The actual study is called Feminine Protection the Effects of
Speaker 5: Menstruation on Attitudes towards Women, which is like, yes, that's
Speaker 5: just you could name it better, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Help us too. So it's also accessible to people who
Speaker 2: like because that what you've just shared with us is
Speaker 2: the really interesting point of this. And while all of
Speaker 2: the data has its own use for people who are
Speaker 2: like clinicians and researchers, for the fucking dummies out here,
Speaker 2: just they're like, yo, what, okay, thank you for telling
Speaker 2: me about that. But yeah, right, I get it. I
Speaker 2: wonder if I'm sure there's these sort of titles help
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe get better grants or something, because
Speaker 2: I guess if are they people going to fund the thing?
Speaker 2: It's like tampon drop test, Like it's a social YouTube video,
Speaker 2: social prank or something.
Speaker 5: But they don't even have like the word stigma in
Speaker 5: it or like shame or anything like that.
Speaker 2: It's just like clinical.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just like what how does it affect the attitudes?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: They're trying to It's like click baity. They don't want
Speaker 1: to tell you how it affects the attitude.
Speaker 5: They don't want to give it away.
Speaker 1: That would be funny to like have people who work
Speaker 1: at major scientific and medical journals, like work with editors
Speaker 1: from BuzzFeed to like right best clickbait titles for their studies.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just get rid of the whole middle class of
Speaker 5: people who write articles when studies come out.
Speaker 1: Right right, yeah, yeah, exact down more cut out the middleman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like, where will my job be when I find
Speaker 1: out about what the study reveals? Like will it be
Speaker 1: I mean you no, on the ground will be wide open?
Speaker 2: Yeah right, you will be stunned when you realize what
Speaker 2: people think. You know, could we talk about like somebody
Speaker 2: who read the study and then started crying? Could that
Speaker 2: maybe be something that we do in the time. Yes,
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 5: This just sounds like a job that you're making for yourself.
Speaker 2: I know, it does sound like that. Used to be
Speaker 2: a big part of my job was writing headlines.
Speaker 1: He's regressing, Kate, what is something that you think is underrated?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 5: The TV television's bones, TV's bones.
Speaker 2: Did Why did bones just come up? Because you're saying
Speaker 2: how Trump would probably actually hire people from TV shows
Speaker 2: to like help him with efforts. He's like, I need bones,
Speaker 2: get me bones from the fictional characters he has tried
Speaker 2: to hire and had to be told like that we can't.
Speaker 2: We can't hire fucking but doctor is a doctor, right,
Speaker 2: well I mean yeah technically, yeah, yeah he is. Well,
Speaker 2: then then get me bones. Wait, so Bones, that's David
Speaker 2: Bouranis and Emily des Emily Channel yeah.
Speaker 5: Channel, yeah exactly. And it's like fifteen seasons, probably twelve
Speaker 5: or something, but it's there's a lot of seasons. It's
Speaker 5: a procedural, so many bones and they just solve murders
Speaker 5: and like hang out at the fictionalized version of the
Speaker 5: Smithsonian Institute and it's like it's so great. It's like,
Speaker 5: I don't I don't like sbu because it like makes
Speaker 5: me anxious, Like I like it, and then if I
Speaker 5: watch it too much, I'll like feel horrible.
Speaker 2: And you're buying like extra locks for your doors and
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 5: Bones is like it gives you the satisfaction and the
Speaker 5: comfort of a procedural. But it's just like smart people
Speaker 5: solving problems and and murders and like doing science, and
Speaker 5: it's like it's very comforting.
Speaker 2: Is it all cold cases?
Speaker 6: Is that?
Speaker 2: Why is it okay?
Speaker 5: It's when they find it starts out very like because
Speaker 5: they work with bones, like bodies that don't have flesh
Speaker 5: on them anymore, and so it starts out with mostly like, oh,
Speaker 5: we found this skeleton like in an abandoned house and
Speaker 5: it's been there for years, and like there's no way
Speaker 5: we could find out who this person was or what
Speaker 5: happened to them. And then Bones is like I know,
Speaker 5: and figures out what happened to them and who they are,
Speaker 5: and like they solve the murder. And David Borrianis is
Speaker 5: the FBI agent that like works with her and her team.
Speaker 2: Does Bones have superpower?
Speaker 5: Just very well?
Speaker 1: She's I was just smart, probably, but she doesn't like
Speaker 1: have the thing where she like touches Bone and then.
Speaker 5: In front of No, No, No, but one of my favorite,
Speaker 5: one of my favorite parts of Bones because it was
Speaker 5: like spanning, you know, twelves from the early two thousands
Speaker 5: like through the mid twenty tens, and it was a
Speaker 5: really interesting time for network TV shows because they were
Speaker 5: doing they were doing crazy shit, like they were doing
Speaker 5: cross promo episodes for other I forget when network. It
Speaker 5: was on maybe NBC or CBS, but they were doing
Speaker 5: cross promo. So they have they they have episodes with
Speaker 5: like do you remember the show The Finder?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I remember that it was a show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But that's what that's like what you're talking about,
Speaker 5: where this guy has the superpower he like he like
Speaker 5: was in Afghanistan and got shot and then now has
Speaker 5: a superpower where he can find things and they do
Speaker 5: cross over yeah like anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tragic. He was like he was blown up in
Speaker 2: Iraq or something and yeh superpowers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's literally a super like it's not like, oh,
Speaker 5: he's just like a good detective and can like kind
Speaker 5: of it's like something unexplainable is happening in his brain
Speaker 5: because he got blown up, and so it's like to
Speaker 5: cross that over with Bones, which is a TV show
Speaker 5: about like a hyper rational person running like really smart
Speaker 5: and problem solving, and then they're just like, no, he
Speaker 5: just has the finder power and yeah, finding.
Speaker 2: Out like Diehard takes place in the Harry Potter universe.
Speaker 1: What what is that?
Speaker 5: And they also do like like what's it called when
Speaker 5: they do like basically car commercials inside the show where
Speaker 5: there'll be a scene set in like in the car
Speaker 5: as they're driving, and in the middle of the conversation,
Speaker 5: Bones will just be like, oh uh, this Prius can
Speaker 5: park it, so like isn't that cool?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah? Bones also naming these shows. This one is
Speaker 1: about Bones, so has Bones and then he finds stuff,
Speaker 1: so he's the finder like focus.
Speaker 2: The mass genius.
Speaker 1: How do we how do we like boil it down
Speaker 1: to the most basic, like the most bas The next
Speaker 1: one will be numbers, Yeah, you mean math numbers, actually numbies.
Speaker 5: It's also that they named the show Bones, and it's
Speaker 5: hard to talk about because like, Okay, you asked me
Speaker 5: what's underrated? I can't say Bones, because then you have
Speaker 5: to be like the show on You have to say
Speaker 5: television's bones, TV's bones.
Speaker 2: You mean scrats? No, No, the television program known as
Speaker 2: Bones that ran from two thousand and five to twenty
Speaker 2: seventeen starring David Boriannis and Emily da Chanel.
Speaker 5: That, oh, it's not a good name in terms of
Speaker 5: like being able to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Was she called bones? Or did I just add that
Speaker 2: that's like her nickname?
Speaker 5: Okay, David calls her name, calls her bones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to be called Bones. That's a cool name.
Speaker 5: That's a good name.
Speaker 2: Good name.
Speaker 1: And for numbers, Like, I'm a little bit confused because yes,
Speaker 1: it says numbers, but it says it in words.
Speaker 2: How do we Oh, we turned the E into it? Three? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's how you do it.
Speaker 1: Numb three rs numb thirs O, Kate, what's something you
Speaker 1: thinks overrated?
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm gonna get haters for this, but
Speaker 5: I think seeing a movie in theaters is overrated.
Speaker 2: Wow, and now the show is over? Thank you?
Speaker 1: Ye?
Speaker 5: Like I think it's important. I think people should do it,
Speaker 5: like that should exist. I just don't like it very
Speaker 5: much to be on my couch.
Speaker 2: Were you always like anti theater? Like and then the
Speaker 2: with the everything coming on stream, You're like, okay, thank
Speaker 2: you now I'm winning or you just know I was together.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, yeah, I prefer couch. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think it was working like co founding and being inside.
Speaker 5: I had a basement theater like fourteen hours a day.
Speaker 5: I like, what I want to do for fun is
Speaker 5: not go be in another dark room. Right, and then
Speaker 5: the pandemic and everything coming on streaming, Like when you
Speaker 5: when you had to go to a movie theater and
Speaker 5: that was the only way you could like see a
Speaker 5: new movie, and you would make it a big thing
Speaker 5: and go with friends like that was great. I liked that,
Speaker 5: But now that you have the option, I'm like, why
Speaker 5: would I do that? I want to be at home
Speaker 5: on my couch with my snacks and not pay a
Speaker 5: bunch of money for Do you do people.
Speaker 1: Come over watch movie or you just yeah, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's nice. That's like a yeah, I do think I
Speaker 1: was underrating movie nights at home, Like for for a while,
Speaker 1: movie nights at home, make your own popcorn, like you
Speaker 1: know that that.
Speaker 2: Can be, but I haven't done. We need to do
Speaker 2: the thing where people I haven't done the thing where
Speaker 2: people come over to watch a movie since like the
Speaker 2: days when I was getting screeners all the time, and
Speaker 2: that was like you'll dig upo blah blah blah. I
Speaker 2: am legend we could watch that shit right now or whatever.
Speaker 2: But I do miss that. Actually, like that aspect of
Speaker 2: it I think would be fun rather than like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm at home, I can watch this movie that's in
Speaker 2: the theater. Make it a thing to get together and
Speaker 2: we can.
Speaker 5: I also during the pandemic, we would do because when
Speaker 5: we were seeing movies and theaters all the time, there
Speaker 5: would be certain people I would go with to see
Speaker 5: certain movies, like there were a couple of friends I
Speaker 5: always went to see the like King Kong and Godzilla movies,
Speaker 5: the new ones. Yeah, yeah, And so one of those
Speaker 5: came out in like twenty twenty one and we did
Speaker 5: it over like FaceTime. We streamed it together over FaceTime.
Speaker 5: And then we also, like my husband and I have
Speaker 5: a National Theater membership, like where you can they have
Speaker 5: like recorded from the National Theater in London. They have
Speaker 5: recorded shows like Shakespeare's shows like Classic Theater and you
Speaker 5: that you could just like watch it like it's a movie.
Speaker 5: And so having people over to do that is really
Speaker 5: fun too because it's a little culturey, but you're still
Speaker 5: home on your couch and you don't have to like
Speaker 5: get dressed up and go out. You could just like
Speaker 5: watch a Shakespeare thing and then pause it and be like,
Speaker 5: what I have to look at it?
Speaker 1: Can we put the subtitles on? Actually, this isn't helping, right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly did he propose to her? Or is he
Speaker 2: going to murder her? Right now?
Speaker 5: I know it's a dick joke, but how is it addiction?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: That actors seemed to really enjoy delivering that. I just
Speaker 2: don't know what it meant.
Speaker 5: That's more. That's so much more fun with friends when
Speaker 5: you're allowed to talk, right man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I'm at a Shakespeare's show, I'm always laughing
Speaker 1: at the wrong party.
Speaker 2: One Hamlet to be or not to be? I think
Speaker 2: it's funny. I think it's a funny question. Hey, y'all
Speaker 2: down to see Macbeth right now? Don't fucking say that this.
Speaker 1: By the way, Hamlet would have been called skull Guy
Speaker 1: if it was on television, gold Talker. That was just
Speaker 1: ghost writer.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a quick break and we will
Speaker 2: be right back. And we're back, and.
Speaker 1: Kate, before we get into the news, I did just
Speaker 1: want to kind of talk to you about your show Cramped,
Speaker 1: which you know you focus on various ways the medical
Speaker 1: world is biased and against fully understanding women's health, like
Speaker 1: almost like willful blind spots ye.
Speaker 7: Scattered, almost as if which I, as my spouse is
Speaker 7: a physician, and I've like had doctor's appointments with her
Speaker 7: where the doctor will explain things to me a fucking.
Speaker 1: Idiot podcaster like looking at me about her, about her yet.
Speaker 2: About her yep.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I've just been amazed, like how retrograde and
Speaker 1: out moded, like a lot of the attitude, just so
Speaker 1: much misogyny in the world of medicine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just curious to hear you talk about that for
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, okay, So it started with a really
Speaker 5: simple thing. I get horrible, horrible period cramps I have
Speaker 5: since I was fourteen, and like not just kind of
Speaker 5: like ow, but like my cramps are so bad that
Speaker 5: I get full body sweats. I will start throwing up
Speaker 5: every ten minutes for anywhere between like three to six hours, wow,
Speaker 5: bad diarrhea. I will pass out from the pain. It
Speaker 5: doesn't happen every month, but it doesn't seem it just
Speaker 5: is like every three or four months. I call these
Speaker 5: deaths cramps. Uh, just so that like my family, I
Speaker 5: had a way to talk to my family and friends
Speaker 5: about it, because we have one word to describe having cramps.
Speaker 2: We just have cramps.
Speaker 5: And like that's not enough words because for some people
Speaker 5: it's like just a little uncomfortable, just like achy, annoying,
Speaker 5: and for some people it is like completely debilitating, excruciating pain.
Speaker 1: And like that's not cool the one having a cramp,
Speaker 1: that's like my my side heard a little bit for
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds after I ran.
Speaker 2: Because we have a word for.
Speaker 5: That, We have stitch. We have like, oh, I am
Speaker 5: a stitch in my side for that specific kind of pain.
Speaker 5: And yet we just have one word for like this
Speaker 5: whole range of experiences.
Speaker 2: To use that word for women. For the pain women,
Speaker 2: it is probably just the same she's sweating and passed
Speaker 2: out on the ground.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: So for twenty two years I had this horrible period pain,
Speaker 5: and I would go every doctor I went to. I
Speaker 5: grew up in rural Maine, so those were the first
Speaker 5: doctors I saw were in Burl Maine. The first doctor
Speaker 5: I ever saw for this literally said to me, yeah,
Speaker 5: some women just get really bad period pain, but it'll
Speaker 5: go away when you have your first kid. And that
Speaker 5: was when I was fourteen.
Speaker 2: It's like, what is that to like incentivize, Yeah, like
Speaker 2: child burying or something like so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like yeah, hurry, yeah, No, there's just this idea
Speaker 5: that like, oh, period pain is just until you have
Speaker 5: a kid, so don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: It's like.
Speaker 5: Yet, yeah, basically, yes, that's that's kind of underneath it all,
Speaker 5: even if they don't say that part out loud, but yes,
Speaker 5: so then you know. I moved to Boston saw doctors there,
Speaker 5: moved to New York saw doctors there, moved to La
Speaker 5: saw doctors here. Every doctor would either say like, hey,
Speaker 5: have you tried idrowprofen It's like yeah, do that again, yeah,
Speaker 5: or they would want to put me on birth control,
Speaker 5: which I did for years and they didn't help or work,
Speaker 5: so I stopped, and they would if if they wanted
Speaker 5: to do anything about it, they would send me for
Speaker 5: an ultrasound, which would come back normal and they would say, Okay,
Speaker 5: there's nothing wrong with you. Problem solved, goodbye, And then
Speaker 5: twenty two years yeah, and so like this would happen
Speaker 5: like I I like lost jobs because of because this
Speaker 5: I used to wait tables and bartend and like I
Speaker 5: would have to like lock myself in the employee bathroom
Speaker 5: or call out sick, and I, you know, I there
Speaker 5: are so many things that I have missed, And it's
Speaker 5: terrifying to have your body be doing something that is
Speaker 5: putting you in so much pain and not know why
Speaker 5: and have doctors be like, huh, I don't know, like, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's really mysteries.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, like a lot of that too. I'm
Speaker 2: sure you've seen like both like male and female doctors too,
Speaker 2: and like that, It's just sort of like that culture
Speaker 2: just sort of permeate regardless of where you'd think. I'm
Speaker 2: sure like, oh, clearly she might understand given word for
Speaker 2: physiologically sort of a line here in our like in
Speaker 2: our experience on Earth. But then still like it just
Speaker 2: feels like that sort of way of looking at it
Speaker 2: is just so entrenched in like our medical practices that
Speaker 2: even though sort of like yeah, right, and.
Speaker 5: Ninety percent of menstruating people get period pain some kind
Speaker 5: of period pain, and about thirty percent of menstruating people
Speaker 5: get what is called severe period pain or dysmenorrhea, but
Speaker 5: that means but because it is not like talked about
Speaker 5: openly or studied. If you are a person with a
Speaker 5: uterus and you don't get severe period pain, you think
Speaker 5: it doesn't exist basically, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, or the other people are like being dramatic.
Speaker 5: Exactly where you're like, I get cramps. What are you
Speaker 5: complaining about?
Speaker 2: Oh, like how white people view racism right, exactly exactly,
Speaker 2: and I've never seen it so exactly.
Speaker 1: Doesn't get there were those signs that we made up
Speaker 1: about not hiring Irish people in the late eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: So I get it, like I've heard of but like
Speaker 1: I got over it, you know, get over it.
Speaker 2: So it's just saying it's.
Speaker 5: Pretty much that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I made this podcast because I was like, I've
Speaker 5: been having the severe pain for twenty two years and
Speaker 5: I've never actually gotten answers on really basic questions like literally,
Speaker 5: what's happening inside my body that's causing this much pain?
Speaker 5: How can I better treat it? How can I stop
Speaker 5: having this pain? And why have I gone twenty two
Speaker 5: years without getting a diagnosis or an effective treatment? And
Speaker 5: like how many other people out there are experiencing the
Speaker 5: same thing as me? And so in my attempts to
Speaker 5: answer these questions and kind of solve my issue. Across
Speaker 5: ten episodes, I do get a diagnosis. I do find
Speaker 5: out a lot of information, but I also learn why
Speaker 5: these questions are so hard to answer, which is infuriating
Speaker 5: because like we know it's misogyny, right, Like we know
Speaker 5: it's patriarchy, but like the extent of it, and it's
Speaker 5: like right under the surface. You just like scratch it,
Speaker 5: scratch the surface of teeny bit and it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: it's right there.
Speaker 1: It's wild how much it still persists on something that
Speaker 1: is life and death for people every single day, and
Speaker 1: it's still just like such a fucking massive blind spot. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, everybody should go listen to the podcast. It's
Speaker 1: such an important topic.
Speaker 5: And I will say like men men or people who
Speaker 5: don't menstrate it also can get a lot out of this.
Speaker 5: Like if you have people in your life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially go listen to it. If you're like what
Speaker 2: don't you really see that? Don't don't?
Speaker 5: Yeah, then because like if we if we get better
Speaker 5: at treating this, if we if the medical system improves,
Speaker 5: like you, as a man, your life will get better
Speaker 5: because the people in your life who are experiencing this
Speaker 5: pain will be less in pain, they'll be less angry
Speaker 5: at you, and they will be up right, they will
Speaker 5: be more able to like show up to family stuff,
Speaker 5: to like social stuff like that. It's just gonna make
Speaker 5: the world better for everybody. And this is not a
Speaker 5: small number of people, Like you know somebody that this effects.
Speaker 5: And if you don't know that you know somebody, it's
Speaker 5: because they don't feel safe or comfortable talking to you
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 2: So I remember in high school was like I had
Speaker 2: a homegirl who had like real same thing, like really
Speaker 2: terrible cramps, and like her parents were religious, and like
Speaker 2: the doctor was like, you know, birth control, would it
Speaker 2: would be something we can try to help, And it
Speaker 2: was like this whole thing to like try, like where
Speaker 2: her parents were like, nah, absolutely not. But then they're
Speaker 2: like but then they kept seeing their daughter in like pain,
Speaker 2: and then they're like finally relented, And I just remember
Speaker 2: as a teenager being like, holy shit, this is like
Speaker 2: so outside of my realm of understanding, and then like
Speaker 2: the religious like religiosity of it to like dude, just
Speaker 2: fucking help her do she's fucking slumped over all the time,
Speaker 2: like in pain or like had to bring a heating
Speaker 2: pad to school all the time. It was just like yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's it's it's such a complex thing, but we
Speaker 2: just I think broadly, don't like you're saying, we don't
Speaker 2: have enough awareness on it to be able to have
Speaker 2: conversations around it, or too many of us are having
Speaker 2: like the realizations like I'm having as a team, You're
Speaker 2: like whoa what, Yeah, what are you going to do?
Speaker 2: Then that's like going up with like then that's already
Speaker 2: going up against a whole other set of beliefs that
Speaker 2: are like restrict the holy shit. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, and just the fact that we don't talk about it,
Speaker 5: like as a teenager and even into my twenties, like
Speaker 5: I thought I was a medical anomaly, Like I thought
Speaker 5: there was just because that's the reaction I got from doctors.
Speaker 5: They were just like, weird, We've never seen anything like
Speaker 5: this before. Yeah, and that's fucked up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: There are so many people out there experiencing the same thing,
Speaker 5: And if we talked more openly about it, people wouldn't
Speaker 5: be kind of like locked in this like hell of like,
Speaker 5: well there's something wrong with me and there's nothing that
Speaker 5: can be done, because like there is the like ultimately
Speaker 5: there is a lot that can be done. There's a
Speaker 5: lot more studies that need to be done. There's a
Speaker 5: lot more investment into some of the biggest causes of
Speaker 5: severe period pain. But like, we can do it, we
Speaker 5: just have to. It's like, you know, there was no
Speaker 5: like AIDS research until everybody was like, hey, fuck you
Speaker 5: like research this.
Speaker 2: We're dying the people too.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go ahead and say we actually think they're people,
Speaker 1: so you guys can go ahead and research this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, And we need that kind of uproar about
Speaker 5: we like there are so many people in pain twelve
Speaker 5: times a year, like severe pain, not able to live
Speaker 5: their daily lives, and we're not talking about it. We're
Speaker 5: not we're not aware of it. It's we've been told
Speaker 5: not to make it anybody else's problem.
Speaker 1: And like that's the same shit that was like she's
Speaker 1: just being hysterical, right, like uh huh, oh boy, what's
Speaker 1: your what's the anecdote for that?
Speaker 2: I don't ask then, Like even just like the thing
Speaker 2: was just like just a total lack of studies into
Speaker 2: like anything female anatomy, as like that recent study about
Speaker 2: like snakes glitteristes, and they're like, why are we just
Speaker 2: finding this out now.
Speaker 1: It's like because no one was researching you and shit
Speaker 1: ever because like men were dominating.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't fucking care about that shit,
Speaker 2: right right, Yeah, there is.
Speaker 5: It's literally, uh, there's a condition called endometriosis that is
Speaker 5: the most common cause of severe period pain. It is
Speaker 5: it did end up being what I had, uh and have,
Speaker 5: and it is not. It is so understudied one in ten.
Speaker 5: The WHO estimates that one in ten people with the
Speaker 5: uterus have endometriosis. And yet the average the average time
Speaker 5: to get diagnosed with it is seven to ten years.
Speaker 2: Wow, They're like, we gotta, we gotta really make sure
Speaker 2: you got so yeah, it's like it's only like four
Speaker 2: hundred million people on earth.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, crazy, And it's so and like the symptoms
Speaker 5: are clear, like it is, nobody should be waiting that
Speaker 5: long to get diagnosed. And it's partly because to be
Speaker 5: officially diagnosed you have to have a laparoscopic surgery. But
Speaker 5: like you, the symptoms are really clear, you can figure
Speaker 5: it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, just yeah, be like you probably have that.
Speaker 2: Let's treat as if you do.
Speaker 5: But there are gynecologists who don't know about endometriosis or
Speaker 5: like it was mentioned in med school like once and
Speaker 5: they just don't even though ten percent of people with
Speaker 5: uterses have it, and gynecologists the uterist doctors don't care
Speaker 5: or what yeah, end of what now? No exactly. That's
Speaker 5: literally the name of a film about endometriosis is endo
Speaker 5: what because yeah, people who don't know about it.
Speaker 2: He's just not that end of you. Mm hmm Okay,
Speaker 2: we're just punching up titles. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: put that one come back, just not that end to you.
Speaker 2: And it's about a doctor just being like, could we
Speaker 2: move it along?
Speaker 1: Here?
Speaker 7: You have?
Speaker 2: I just have so much too. Yeah I've lost family
Speaker 2: to like that kind of really lazy kind of diagnoses
Speaker 2: and it ends up being something so much more severe
Speaker 2: because the sort of default attitude at looking at this
Speaker 2: is like it's fine, yeah, come back in a few
Speaker 2: months when you have something terrible that's actually happened to.
Speaker 8: You, right yeah, Like everything, like everything structural, anyone who
Speaker 8: is a person of color, were anyone.
Speaker 5: That the system is not built for is going to
Speaker 5: be experiencing this like even more. I like I'm saying
Speaker 5: I am hosting this as the podcast as like a
Speaker 5: cis white woman in a like average body. And I
Speaker 5: still had to wait twenty two years to get my
Speaker 5: diagnosis and by the way, pay out the ass sure,
Speaker 5: right outside of my already expensive insurance just to get
Speaker 5: a diagnosis. And like I haven't even done treatment yet,
Speaker 5: Like I don't because.
Speaker 2: You said that place, You're like okay, I know. Now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, now there's even more questions because there is no cure.
Speaker 5: You can just manage it and like yeah, it's real bad.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you, thanks for making the show and
Speaker 1: thanks for being on to tell us about it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about.
Speaker 2: The economy and other dumb bullshit. We'll be right back
Speaker 2: and we're back back.
Speaker 1: And all right, So, you know, this has been kind
Speaker 1: of the ongoing story of this week is the economy
Speaker 1: has taken a big old shit. The economy staky e economy,
Speaker 1: the one that the mainstream media pays attention to, the
Speaker 1: one that will fuck us over. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: it has the ability so when it's going good, it
Speaker 1: doesn't make most doesn't efect for rich, it's not good
Speaker 1: for regular people. The rich people just do stock buybacks
Speaker 1: for like the c suite. But when it's going bad,
Speaker 1: it really really fucks everybody up. And it's going bad,
Speaker 1: So that's not good. No, And the thing, the economy
Speaker 1: is like one of the main reasons people gave as
Speaker 1: to why they wanted Trump back in office.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole thing. He's government, business president, business guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I mean, and who could blame them if you
Speaker 2: aren't aware of all the existential threats that he poses
Speaker 2: to America and you're only metric for deciding who to
Speaker 2: vote for in a presidential race. Is my life good
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, then yeah, sure, great, you've you've you've
Speaker 2: succeeded there. But like their CNN recently did a poll
Speaker 2: on Trump's handling of the economy, and he is in
Speaker 2: the worst position he's ever been in forty four percent approved,
Speaker 2: fifty six percent disapprove. That's a net thumbs down of
Speaker 2: twelve percent. And on Vox they sort of plotted out
Speaker 2: sort of where this was in terms of like other
Speaker 2: polls and economy, and this is a total outlier, Like
Speaker 2: it's fucking yeah, yeah, it's way the fuck down, you
Speaker 2: know what.
Speaker 1: It's totally reminding me of actually this is so stupid,
Speaker 1: but this is reminding remember how like, uh what when
Speaker 1: George Lucas brought the prequels back, everyone was like, and
Speaker 1: now we can have the pure George Lucas vision with
Speaker 1: like all the people just being like, you're a genius, George.
Speaker 2: You got this one, George. And then it came out
Speaker 2: and it.
Speaker 1: Just sucked shit because it was like he and like
Speaker 1: all like when you hear him talk about the original
Speaker 1: trilogy of Star Wars, he's always like complaining about all
Speaker 1: the notes he got and like all the battles he
Speaker 1: had to fight, and like people give it like pushing
Speaker 1: back and and like making it's good, yeah, making it
Speaker 1: like yeah, reining in his worst instincts and being like,
Speaker 1: I mean that's a cool idea.
Speaker 2: Let's go with the cool idea and not like the shitty.
Speaker 1: One where you think you're like a good comedy director
Speaker 1: and that jar Jar Binks is gonna be the future
Speaker 1: of I feel like this is the Star Wars prequels
Speaker 1: of the Trump presidencies, where he just is fully it's
Speaker 1: all gas, no breaks, and he the only thing that's
Speaker 1: keeping anything on the rails up to this point was
Speaker 1: the breaks like, yeah, yeah, that was it, and now
Speaker 1: it's now we are off the fucking charts. Literally, we're
Speaker 1: we are in the in the scene where jar Jar
Speaker 1: Binks is like doing comedic pratfalls that like kill people
Speaker 1: at the end of that first movie. But he's fighting, man,
Speaker 1: he's fighting days.
Speaker 2: But you know, this polling and just generally the attitude
Speaker 2: from the town halls and everything. People are fucking they
Speaker 2: can see for themselves that this is like affecting their
Speaker 2: day to day, like whether it's people getting laid off,
Speaker 2: lack of prices coming down, Dodge trucks going up in
Speaker 2: the tens of thousands of dollars overnight because of tariffs
Speaker 2: and shit like that, and the pulling all that's rattled
Speaker 2: them because now the right wing is just going so
Speaker 2: hard on telling people that the tariffs that are fueling
Speaker 2: all this chaos are good. So just a couple let's
Speaker 2: just take a quick tour of some of the takes
Speaker 2: from the right wing taka sphere. This first one is
Speaker 2: from Laura Ingram, who is telling her viewers to literally
Speaker 2: just ignore the talk about the economy. Just don't listen
Speaker 2: to it. That's step one. This is Laura Ingram explaining
Speaker 2: this is how you protect yourself from all the haters.
Speaker 9: Isn't it great to have an optimistic president who has
Speaker 9: a real plan to make life better for Wall Street
Speaker 9: and Main Street? Just ignore the sky is falling reports
Speaker 9: in the regime press.
Speaker 2: Tune out the breathless reporting about market.
Speaker 9: Gyrations, because even the most dedicated globalists they know Trump
Speaker 9: is good for business.
Speaker 2: That was woo.
Speaker 5: It's wild just to call the mainste media the regime regime. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you guys control the entire government right now, you are
Speaker 5: the regime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, Laura defined regimeily for me, just so
Speaker 1: I'm just so we're clear on that. So that all
Speaker 1: the negative stuff the regime media is saying about dear leader, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: Please find a new angle regime media again. And every
Speaker 2: version of someone on Fox has there. I think everyone's
Speaker 2: got their own little spin on how to be like,
Speaker 2: how do we get these people to fucking ignore the
Speaker 2: tariffs or try and spin the tariff? Says good? This
Speaker 2: is Greg Guttfeld doing his He's given the listeners or
Speaker 2: the viewers on Fox AND's or the five This is
Speaker 2: Greg Guttfeld's four D chests on how to navigate tariffs.
Speaker 10: Hey, you know, a tariff is not a tax if
Speaker 10: you don't buy the goods. And I'm tired of the
Speaker 10: media calling the tariff attacks. It's the opposite. You know,
Speaker 10: A government issue tax is an involuntary.
Speaker 2: Cost on you.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 10: You're paying for stuff that as a New Yorker you
Speaker 10: don't benefit from.
Speaker 2: I spent.
Speaker 10: I pay a small fortune in taxes and I still
Speaker 10: have psychopaths living on my street. I have a road
Speaker 10: that destroy the car suspension, and I can't take the subway.
Speaker 5: But I put more taxes than my dad Dade.
Speaker 10: In his whole life as an income. But it doesn't
Speaker 10: really matter. I'm gonna make Jesse so happy right now.
Speaker 10: You know what causes inflation. I'm glaring at Harold Dei.
Speaker 1: Oh, and Harold is the one person of color in
Speaker 1: the rest exactly, And he's glaring at Harold, and then
Speaker 1: they're like, he's joking.
Speaker 2: Ha ha, it's again whatever. I don't know what the
Speaker 2: fuck you're talking about. But that's so, that's sick, dude, tighty.
Speaker 2: So you don't got to pay on that terriffs if
Speaker 2: you just don't buy it, like the fucking food, don't
Speaker 2: buy it it's important all the shit that's important for
Speaker 2: American cannsumers. Like does he have any idea how much
Speaker 2: we have to import to stay in this consumer economy? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's also such just like a rich brain rot
Speaker 5: thing of like I pay for the subway, but I
Speaker 5: don't even use the subway. And it's like, do you
Speaker 5: do you not use the subway because you live in
Speaker 5: a gated community in Connecticut? Do you or know you
Speaker 5: live in New York? So okay? Do you not use
Speaker 5: the subway because you get driven everywhere?
Speaker 2: Like that? I don't take the subway because people know
Speaker 2: I'm a racist piece of shit and they confront me
Speaker 2: about it on the subway. And that's the fucking issue, right.
Speaker 2: I thought I'd be just another anonymous white guy in
Speaker 2: a Patagonia vest, but I'm not. But again, these things
Speaker 2: are fucking tax hikes on consumers. Like he's looking at
Speaker 2: it again like the most overly simplistic way in that
Speaker 2: he's saying, well, the higher prices will make a consumer
Speaker 2: just want to buy the American stuff, and then that's
Speaker 2: how it helps, you know, everybody get more America centric.
Speaker 2: But again, these taxes, we all know this. These are
Speaker 2: just passed on to the consumer. Because since when is
Speaker 2: a fucking company a business telling us, oh yeah, well,
Speaker 2: we'll totally make less money on this, and you know
Speaker 2: what will absorb the hit. We're not going to pass
Speaker 2: that on to the consumer. That's not it.
Speaker 5: We also, like America can't we can't feed our own
Speaker 5: people on the food we grow here. We have to
Speaker 5: import food.
Speaker 1: We have to.
Speaker 5: That's an optional.
Speaker 1: You don't like potato chips made out of corn and
Speaker 1: hamburgers made of corn.
Speaker 5: Nobody's saying anything bad about corn here.
Speaker 2: It sounds like you.
Speaker 1: Don't like corn when the other countries have to raise
Speaker 1: their prices. Also, just like based on what we've seen
Speaker 1: from corporations of the past i don't know, decade, like
Speaker 1: it seems inevitable that the corporations are also the American corporations,
Speaker 1: even if they don't have to, will raise their corporation
Speaker 1: raise their prices because they can, and like that's they
Speaker 1: raise their prices anytime they can. And so if the
Speaker 1: competition raised prices, they just raised their prices as well.
Speaker 1: That's basically what we've seen with inflation. Even though that
Speaker 1: that description puts a bunch of like economists and you know,
Speaker 1: consultants out of out of work.
Speaker 2: So it's never the one that we get.
Speaker 1: But that's seemed to be what's happening. Yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: inflation across the board for like, you know, as long
Speaker 1: as it's been happening in the past five years, Like
Speaker 1: what as inflation's happening, corporations are making record profits like that,
Speaker 1: that's all you need to know. That's all you need
Speaker 1: to know. Like they they're making way more money than
Speaker 1: they've ever made, and inflation is going up. Like those
Speaker 1: two things are related. I think we're making record profits.
Speaker 1: Are the ones raising the prices?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember we were doing this as it was happening, Jack,
Speaker 2: Like we kind of stopped even trying to say inflation
Speaker 2: because that gave all these companies cover for their just
Speaker 2: out in the open greed. Because there are many studies
Speaker 2: you know that was like in twenty twenty three, like
Speaker 2: fifty corporate profits were something like half of the driving
Speaker 2: force of inflation. It wasn't actual supply the shit that
Speaker 2: they tried to tell us in the like twenty one.
Speaker 2: At a certain points, it's like fuck it, bro, just
Speaker 2: keep turning to the fucking heat up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Sorry, I think egg prices are a
Speaker 5: really good microcosm of this, because, like, we know there's
Speaker 5: bird flu that's like being reported on genuine public health
Speaker 5: like threat but also killing all the chickens. But there
Speaker 5: are egg conglomerates whose farms have not been hit by
Speaker 5: bird flu who are raising their prices because they can
Speaker 5: because everybody knows bird flu is out there and will
Speaker 5: accept higher prices. Like it's a market economy, which but
Speaker 5: it's a market economy run by conglomerates that are essentially monopolies,
Speaker 5: so they get to price hike when they can get
Speaker 5: away with it.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh yeah, we're like just you know, we
Speaker 2: are forty percent of the companies, just this one company.
Speaker 2: It'll it'll look it looks different because the boxes are different. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we do different boxes and so yeah. But then this
Speaker 2: whole idea of the tariffs as tax hike has come
Speaker 2: up because you know, Caroline Levitt, who's the terrible Press
Speaker 2: Secretary of the White House, she was pressed by the
Speaker 2: Associated Press during a briefing on this and she just
Speaker 2: goes like, oh man, she just just spins herself into circles,
Speaker 2: being like these are not tax hikes on American people.
Speaker 2: Just because the prices go up doesn't mean it's a
Speaker 2: tax like of you. This is her getting very very
Speaker 2: defensive over the definition of a tariff or taxiic and
Speaker 2: it gets a little snippy. Let's see this.
Speaker 11: Actually not implementing tax hikes. Tariffs are a tax hike
Speaker 11: on foreign countries that again have been ripping us off.
Speaker 11: Tariffs are a tax cut for the American people. And
Speaker 11: the President is a staunch advocate of tax cuts.
Speaker 6: As you know.
Speaker 11: He campaigned on no taxes on tips, no taxes on overtime,
Speaker 11: no taxes on social Security benefits. He is committed to
Speaker 11: all three of those things, and he expects Congress to
Speaker 11: pass them later this year.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, have you ever paid a terror because I
Speaker 1: have that, don't get charged on four.
Speaker 11: And ultimately, when we have fair and balanced training, which
Speaker 11: the American people have not seen in decades, as I
Speaker 11: said at the beginning, revenues will stay here, wages will
Speaker 11: go up, and our country will be made wealthy again.
Speaker 11: And I think it's insulting that you are trying to
Speaker 11: test my knowledge of economics. Uh and the decisions that
Speaker 11: this president has made.
Speaker 2: Wow, I mean, Caroline, to let's keep it a book,
Speaker 2: my darling. You don't know what it is, but I
Speaker 2: like though that you do the I think it's insulting
Speaker 2: that you're like calling me out and just broadly act
Speaker 2: as if what you said was correct on any planet.
Speaker 2: She is not incorrect. It is insulting. It just happens
Speaker 2: to be accurate. And also, yeah, right, have you ever
Speaker 2: paid it? I love it. That reporter. It's like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: have you even paid it? Tariff? Do we even?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What the fuck are we even talking about here?
Speaker 5: That guy sucks too, though. It's like kind of a
Speaker 5: perfect It's like, I'm not I agree with what he's saying,
Speaker 5: Like his content of what he's saying is correct, but
Speaker 5: I'm like, the way you're saying this sucks, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that is the problem with the mainstream. I'm
Speaker 2: importing a bunch of phrase T shirts that I'm going
Speaker 2: to be selling outside of Coachella, and tariff I paid it. Now,
Speaker 2: it's funny this exact quote. This is like basically not
Speaker 2: everyone is in agreement over like if these tariffs are good,
Speaker 2: because this is Ben Shapiro, he is not. He's like, well, yo,
Speaker 2: what they is going on? Full like, please explain what
Speaker 2: the fuck is happening. Here's a clip of Ben Shapiro
Speaker 2: from his show. This is him reacting to that Caroline
Speaker 2: Loved exchange with the Associated Press.
Speaker 6: Again, I'm gonna need some clarification as to how this
Speaker 6: is actually going to in the short term media and
Speaker 6: long term benefit Americans. We can talk about other country
Speaker 6: he's ripping us off as much as we want. And again,
Speaker 6: if the goal here is to lower the tariffs by
Speaker 6: getting other countries to lower their tariffs, then great, I'm
Speaker 6: all in makes sense. But if the idea is the
Speaker 6: tariffs themselves were rich the American people, that is against
Speaker 6: pretty much all economic knowledge for the last couple of
Speaker 6: centuries or so.
Speaker 2: So maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it'll turn out.
Speaker 5: To be great.
Speaker 2: I think it goes like even like it's somehow it's
Speaker 2: a bridge. Maybe for it's a bridge too far for you,
Speaker 2: because I bet this guy's stock portfolio almost look like
Speaker 2: Deep Fried dog shit. If he's like, I don't know what,
Speaker 2: what's the fucking deal here? Like, explain it to me,
Speaker 2: because I am not feeling it right now. I don't
Speaker 2: like what I'm seeing because a lot of people show
Speaker 2: all the gains that have been made in a lot
Speaker 2: on most of the stock markets since Trump game in office,
Speaker 2: have been erased from all of the tariff bullshit. So
Speaker 2: that's who I feel the worst for all those gains.
Speaker 5: Jack gains in a headline that's so good or no,
Speaker 5: it's a Jezebel headline, or no, not God, I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's a headline that's like, uh yeah, it's a reductrous
Speaker 5: headline that is like, oh, no, worst person you know
Speaker 5: just made a good point.
Speaker 2: Yeah right right right exactly yeah for him to be like,
Speaker 2: I just what the fuck? Just again, They're throwing their
Speaker 2: hands up, And I think this is going to continue
Speaker 2: to be a nightmare for the Republicans because it's one
Speaker 2: thing to tell a person like in Kentucky that the
Speaker 2: southern border is a hellscape and that immigrants thousands of
Speaker 2: miles away are doing dog buffets on the locals, because
Speaker 2: that's like an obscure and nebulous threat that they can
Speaker 2: just sort of create in someone's mind in the theater
Speaker 2: of the imagination. But it is a completely different endeavor
Speaker 2: to tell someone that is seeing the prices not come
Speaker 2: down at their local stores, that is seeing their retirement
Speaker 2: go fucking wacky because it's tied to the stock market,
Speaker 2: that the reality that they are experiencing is not what
Speaker 2: they are in fact experiencing. And I think that's just
Speaker 2: you're just seeing them really fucking grapple with this. And
Speaker 2: there's plenty of true believers who don't, who are completely
Speaker 2: disconnected from that. But you can see not everybody is
Speaker 2: quite on board with this, especially the capitalists who their
Speaker 2: life's blood is the fucking market and that is you know,
Speaker 2: that that's not doing the thing that it needs to
Speaker 2: be doing. Yeah, that seems pretty clear. Sorry, I was distracted.
Speaker 2: I was working on something. Uh.
Speaker 1: The Italian magician made the bench disapeiro, and then for
Speaker 1: the Prestige he made the bench Shapiro. Oh, bench Apiro. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's what I've.
Speaker 2: Been working on over here. How dare you just the
Speaker 2: way you're saying his name, like bench Ben Shapiro, your
Speaker 2: bench Shapiro.
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro, you know, the bench disappeared and then.
Speaker 2: So you got that, Kate, did you get that?
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm still processing.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to think think exactly. It's like the movie The Prestige, right,
Speaker 2: damn so tight?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: So tight?
Speaker 1: Spoilers man, Uh, Kate. Oh, yeah, bleep out of the spoiler.
Speaker 2: I was just kidding.
Speaker 1: Oh, I do feel like that's a that's a spoiler
Speaker 1: that's still preserved slightly it is.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so sorry anybody.
Speaker 1: Hasn't seen it because it's it's not like the it's
Speaker 1: not like the sixth Sense where it's like, this is
Speaker 1: the twist ending movie.
Speaker 2: You have to see. It's like a good movie that
Speaker 2: that love, the respect that we have for the prestige. Dude,
Speaker 2: you got to check it out still, And I feel
Speaker 2: so fucked up that in.
Speaker 1: Over ten years, but one of my favorite experiences I
Speaker 1: was watching that in theaters, Kate, and then right into
Speaker 1: a Tom York song really got my ass. Anyways, eighteen
Speaker 1: years ago that shit came out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, upsetting, that's really upsetting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're after Boneses debut. It was a great time
Speaker 2: for art.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we really should start measuring things that way. Like
Speaker 5: what season of Bones was?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bones, it's pre Bones, pre Bones, pre post Bones,
Speaker 2: pre Obama.
Speaker 1: I actually don't know where where was it in relation
Speaker 1: to season two of them?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh season two going into season three? Well count
Speaker 2: in the first year of as presidency. Yeah right, Okay,
Speaker 2: the economic collapse.
Speaker 1: I feel like that was Seasons Bones and you can
Speaker 1: tell yeah, Uh, Kate, what a pleasure having you on
Speaker 1: the podcast.
Speaker 2: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can find Cramped anywhere you get your podcast,
Speaker 5: So that's c R A, m p E, d Apple Podcasts,
Speaker 5: Spotify wherever. You can find me on TikTok at Kate
Speaker 5: is Cramped where I am continuing to share research and
Speaker 5: findings and thoughts and how much money I'm spending on
Speaker 5: my medical care. And you can find me on Instagram
Speaker 5: at Kate Helen Downey.
Speaker 2: There you go. Is there a work of media that
Speaker 2: you've been enjoying other than Bones? Other than Bones?
Speaker 1: Yeah, or it could be you could just double down
Speaker 1: on the Bones love.
Speaker 5: You know, it's tempting, it's tempting. But no, I actually
Speaker 5: did find a tech I found a tech talk account
Speaker 5: that I'm really enjoying and I don't know how ethical
Speaker 5: it is because it might be AI, but I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 5: So it's called doctor Pickle and it's the it's like
Speaker 5: medical explainer videos but with a lot of swears. So
Speaker 5: it would be like this motherfucking endometriosis is when these
Speaker 5: cells get out of the goddamn uterus and they go
Speaker 5: other places they're not fucking supposed to be, And it's
Speaker 5: just like it's really mashing my freak in a way
Speaker 5: that I enjoy.
Speaker 2: Nice, love it. Miles.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you as their working media you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying?
Speaker 2: Yes, find me everywhere. They have the at Bowl at
Speaker 2: Miles of Gray, find Jacket on the basketball podcast Miles
Speaker 2: and jackot mad Boost, and you can catch me talking
Speaker 2: ninety day Fiance on the other show four to twenty
Speaker 2: Day Fiance. Let's see some things I like. First one, actually,
Speaker 2: this is this one. This from Captain Bleach at Blaine
Speaker 2: capitch dot, be sky Dot social tweet hit coming out
Speaker 2: of the MR coming out of the MRI machine, Do
Speaker 2: not go in there, because what are you doing? I
Speaker 2: just love the idea of somebody coming out of an
Speaker 2: MRI farting. Anyway, that's it, that's me.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed a Blue Sky from Amy ash at Lolan
Speaker 1: Wi on Blue Sky, who retweeted a picture of the
Speaker 1: Bill from Schoolhouse Rock talking to the kid on the
Speaker 1: stairs of the Capitol and said, I'm just a bill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm only a bill, and you're gonna kill a man
Speaker 1: for eggs someday.
Speaker 5: Schoolhouse Rock is the gift that keeps on getting.
Speaker 2: We all remember it.
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien
Speaker 1: and on Blue Sky at jack Obi and then the
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Speaker 1: you can go to the description of the episode wherever
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Speaker 2: everyone's playing that game where you grease up a watermelon
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Speaker 2: the beers are seven dollars, but you've got two cold
Speaker 2: red stripes in your backpack. Some kid has this sick
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Speaker 2: King Pari. So this is the artist King Pari with
Speaker 2: the track something Something. And again if you like that description,
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