1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 2: and Rhett with you boys. 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 3: What is going on? 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Well, it's getting to be our time of year here, folks. 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: You know we're getting it. You know, like Bill Belichick 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: used to say, you know the season starts after Thanksgiving. Well, 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: in a way that goes for us too, right, because 9 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: we're getting close to draft season here. December really starts 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: to feel like it when we start getting all the 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: bowl games and all that and start watching. 12 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: I know you're already digging into all that, you know, 13 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 2: you know, you know what tells you it's a good time. 14 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: When this showed up in the mail the other day. 15 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: Oh we get the Sharpie's ready, Oh my god. 16 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's when it's go time. When you get 17 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: the nick pens some Freshmans for the notebook. Yeah, I 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: do love that you still use a traditional notebook in 19 00:00:54,640 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: this digital age. You know, Bucky's got one. Yeah, I 20 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: just I just came min just I just came in 21 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: the mail. I just I just put it together. Thanksgiving 22 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 2: is is when we kick it off like it's go time. 23 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: Like every year, for me is is Halloween, but realistically 24 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: it's more like things to give thanks. 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, start banking up. 26 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: We're going to do some some rookie draft here in 27 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: just a second er, so we will also talk about 28 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: our Coordinator of the week coming up. 29 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 3: But I wanted to start first of all with a 30 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 3: little scouty thing here, Buck. 31 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 2: I was curious, you know, I talked when Jags and 32 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: the Chargers played a couple of weeks back, get a 33 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: chance to talk with a lot of their guys down 34 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: there on the field, and you told me about some 35 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: of the stuff they were doing that's kind of wage 36 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: cutting edge, a little different. So I I got to 37 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: learn a little bit about that, but I'd love to know, 38 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: just having been around it more than I have, what 39 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: stood out to you the most about a tweak. I 40 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: actually just got off the phone with the general manager 41 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: in baseball and we were talking about, you know, how 42 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: you how you want to navigate this process and how 43 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: you can make changes. So we were talking about some 44 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: of that stuff. But I'm curious, what have you what 45 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: stood out to you about how things are a little different. 46 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 3: So I would I would say the biggest thing that 47 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 3: is different. 48 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 4: I would say that they do a really good job 49 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 4: of keeping the conversation flowing and making it organic. So 50 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 4: dj you've been in these meeting rooms right when you 51 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 4: When you're in these meeting rooms, everyone has loud opinions 52 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 4: until you have to sit down, and it really matters 53 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 4: either the general manager, the head. 54 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 3: Coach, the president. They're in the room. 55 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 4: So now everybody's opinion is not as boisterous or as 56 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 4: I would say, authentic, because people are toning down based 57 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 4: on how it's can be received. So some of the 58 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 4: things that they've done, and this comes from the rams, 59 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 4: it's like they'll have these conversations, but behind the scenes 60 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 4: it's all virtual. But people are recording what's going on 61 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 4: and they remember some of the things that you're saying. 62 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 4: So if you're hot on the guy early and then 63 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 4: the next that we have a meeting, you're. 64 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 3: Cool on them now. It is like, hey, what's really 65 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 3: going on? Record of this? 66 00:02:59,000 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 5: Yeah? 67 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 4: Right, But it's done in a different way because it's 68 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 4: done with like surveys and behind the scenes stuff where 69 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 4: you can be real and authentic without necessarily your name 70 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 4: attached to the group. 71 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 3: So you have the confidence to freely. 72 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 4: Talk without it being a dicey situation, So that part 73 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 4: is interesting. 74 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,279 Speaker 3: Using emojis instead of these long, verbose reports. 75 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 4: That's also good because to me, just get right to 76 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 4: the point because a lot of times when we're scouting 77 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 4: and you talk about looking at three hundred or four 78 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 4: hundred dudes, you just want to get to it. What's 79 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 4: the one liner, Give me one hundred and fifty words 80 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 4: on who this player is, and let's move on. 81 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: As opposed to all these things that DJ and I used. 82 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 4: To have to do, feeling all these boxes, write a 83 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 4: report that would take an hour on a player that 84 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 4: can't really play, let's just get to it so we can, 85 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 4: you know, let's talk about the players who can play, 86 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 4: the players that we like, as opposed to I would 87 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 4: say all these mechanisms that you do just to feel 88 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 4: like you're working well here. 89 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: And I thought that when we were doing that path 90 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: of the Draft segment where we're putting stickers on the 91 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: touch screen. 92 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: That we were trend setting, but ten setting. But but 93 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: I mean for real, like that's that's kind of what 94 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: it is. Like. 95 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 4: Is the emojis is the three fire emojis is, Yeah, superpowers. 96 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 3: Is all of that stuff, And yeah, I mean must 97 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 3: like TV. 98 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 4: But think about it like we're in an age now 99 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 4: where everyone has a short attention span. You don't want 100 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 4: to have to go through these long things. Let's get 101 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 4: right to it. What's the players super prid? 102 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: What do they do? 103 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 2: Well, let's get I think they're chopping it up, right, 104 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 2: they're chopping it up a little bit between. 105 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 3: Here's your background, go get your background. 106 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: Then we have our core group of six like guys 107 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: who are going to be doing the player evaluation right, 108 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: and then we're going to get to the point where 109 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: the workouts or whatever you want to do with that. 110 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 2: Coaches can jump in and and and er at that point. 111 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this on that front, I'm all 112 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: for efficiency, right, all for efficiency utilizing technology wherever you can. 113 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: I know teams are really kind of digging into that, 114 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: but it has has AI entered the scouting world at all. 115 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, chat gpteing. 116 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 3: Reports here, like taking all of. 117 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: Our information and like, hey, you know, put this into 118 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: this format that sort of thing. 119 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: I think what it is you have all the data 120 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: that you can dump in there, and then you know 121 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 2: it's quickly being able to give you comparisons with players. 122 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: It's giving you percentiles of hit rates. 123 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 2: I talked about it with you know, some scouts when 124 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 2: I was doing the training camp tour and they were like, dude, 125 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: and this was with the executives, were like, man, my 126 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 2: scouts are all freaked out. We're all going to get 127 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 2: replaced by AI out on the road. I'm sure it's 128 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: like that in every profession, but yeah, now it has 129 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 2: its place for sure. Yeah, you guys want to get 130 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: an update on the rookies. I don't know how this 131 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: is timing. 132 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 5: I know, I know what I mean. I've been followed. 133 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: Last Weekrett knocked out seven more points. Bucky picked up. Yeah, 134 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: I picked you up seven points. He's open because he 135 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: had he had Loveland one off, so he got points 136 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: for all all his guys. So yeah, that's tough man. 137 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: One other guy though, was solid for me, got me for. 138 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 5: He did not get you a single point. 139 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 3: So, oh my gosh, I'm looking at it now. 140 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 2: Genty, Oh my gosh, gent week buck he genty. 141 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: I know that's happened a couple of times where the 142 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: Raiders just get like pasted, and yet Genty ends up, 143 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: you know, winning the winning the day in our rookie drift. 144 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: But I cannot believe. I was watching the Bears game 145 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 2: going like, oh, I'm a young guy. It's having a 146 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: solid day. Got in the end zone. You didn't even 147 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: get me a point. With Henderson and Gent going off there, 148 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: I'm trying to say, how I got my point for McMillan. 149 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, McMillan and Warren, Yeah yeah, and then Warren. 150 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: So I got it's not too many weeks that Warren 151 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: has been available and not won the week for tight ends. 152 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 3: Yeah good, that's gracious. All right. Uh so I'm up first. 153 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: I believe today, Yes you are so, uh going a 154 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: couple of different directions here. 155 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 5: Buys this week, we're all available. 156 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to play the hot hand. I'm gonna 157 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 2: go with three von Henderson, Bucky Year up next, Well, 158 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: Travian Henderson right out the gate. 159 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 3: Huh yeah. Interesting. Uh well, I. 160 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 4: Guess I'm gonna take the tight end Tyl Tyler, Warren 161 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 4: him right off the gate. 162 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 5: So I go back to back here. 163 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: You know, this is an interesting one because like the 164 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: the Raiders with Gent, it's just like they they're just 165 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: not good. I don't know what this is going to 166 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,679 Speaker 1: look like now without Chip Kelly. You know that Chip's 167 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: gone and we're gonna get into that a little bit 168 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: as well. So Chip last eleven games and he's out, 169 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: and now you know, how are they how are they 170 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: gonna utilize Genty? It's mostly been in the past game guys. 171 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: It's like been with like those little short receptions that 172 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: he's been kind of racking up the fantasy points, Trev. 173 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: I mean Quinchin Judkins ended up with two scores last week, 174 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: and I feel like, yeah, I kind of feel like 175 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: that's that's where I want to go now. 176 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 5: That shador Is is starting, so oh gosh, I think 177 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 5: I'm gonna do it. 178 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go with Quinchwn Judkins, uh, and then 179 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with Colston Lovelin 180 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: and just pick off the the second tight end there 181 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: who's been uh, who's been tight in number one? 182 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 5: So Judkins and Loveland for me. 183 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: All right, well man, it goes back to me. 184 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 4: We're read thank you because I was I was sitting 185 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 4: there waiting if you didn't take Judkins, I was gonna 186 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 4: take him. But that you left me Genty. I'm gonna 187 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 4: take genty because here's what we do know. Typically when 188 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 4: someone gets fired. The new guy that comes into play call, 189 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 4: he's gonna make sure that he acquiesces to the head 190 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 4: coaches demands, and that means that eston Gentsy may touch 191 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 4: it fifty times in this game. 192 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 5: So I'm gonna go Chargers defense pretty good though I 193 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 5: don't know. 194 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why he touches. 195 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I'm gonna go with Ted Roald McMillan 196 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: as like my throat, and then I'm gonna come back 197 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna go with the Charger of Rendez guest 198 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 2: second here. 199 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: Okay, so you've got you've You've filled out your roster, 200 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: which means, Bucky, you got to get a receiver here, buddy. 201 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, well I got to get a receiver. And I'm 202 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 4: worried because my guy is getting to m RI, but 203 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 4: I don't think it changes. Let's go in to maka Abuka. 204 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 4: Let's just see if you can still still can get 205 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 4: it done without Baker. 206 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 5: Okay, m interesting. 207 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 3: Wide out, you could go. 208 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 5: No, Higgins won the week last week, So. 209 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: With maybe Sauce Gardner playing a little bit more attention 210 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: to Nico Collins and we'll see where they go. But guys, 211 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: that feels like it feels like a pretty good one 212 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: to just kind of ride the horses here. 213 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 5: So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go right back with 214 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 5: Jayden Higgins. 215 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: It just takes one week, Buck, We just need one 216 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: good week and we're right back in the. 217 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 5: Right back in it speak for yourself. Bucks down fourteen, so. 218 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: You have clear week. 219 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: If he has a clean sweep, he gets away. Yeah, Buck, 220 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 2: Buck's under the assumption that's all resets once we get 221 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 2: playoff seeding. This is just from the wlayoff seeding, wait 222 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: for the playoffs. We just got to get it gets all. 223 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: He gets all all right, all right, let's uh, let's 224 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: take quick break. We get back, we get our coordinator 225 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 2: the week and they we'll touch on some of the 226 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: coaching changes around the league just a minute right after this. 227 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 2: All right, guys, if you want to watch some football 228 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: like we do, we would encourage you to sign up 229 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: for NFL Plus Premium. Check out NFL Pro, where you 230 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: can access over ninety five unique player and team performance 231 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: stats and the All twenty two film available on desktop 232 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: and the mobile web. So we're looking at our Coordinator 233 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: of the week, and look, we talked so much about 234 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 2: shud Or Sanders. The job he did, how did a 235 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: nice job, played well, pushed the ball down the field. 236 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: So we're going to give his offensive coordinator, Tommy Reese 237 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: uh the Coordinator of the Week award. So Shuder was 238 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: eleven of twenty. Not flashy there, but two hundred nine 239 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: yards touchdown and a pick. First Browns quarterback to win 240 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 2: in his first career start since Eric Zeier in nineteen 241 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: ninety five. So that's been a minute. 242 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 5: Is his name on the jersey because that was before 243 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:10,119 Speaker 5: they left. 244 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: That's before Yeah, I don't think he gets to be 245 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: on the jersey there. A good basketball player though, when 246 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: I worked for the Ravens and he had played for 247 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: the Ravens, they said he was an excellent basketball player 248 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 2: side know nice. So Tommy Rees has been the OC 249 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: there and pass game specialist and tight ends coach going 250 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: to his time there with the Cleveland Browns over the 251 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: last couple of years. Before that, he was at Alabama 252 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: in twenty three as a coordinator and quarterback coach. I 253 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: remember he played at Notre Dame, was offensive coordinator there 254 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 2: during his time was there not Dame from twenty seventeen 255 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: to twenty twenty two. 256 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: So he's he's been around. 257 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 2: I remember him playing and his dad, Bill Reese was, 258 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 2: you know, a longtime personnel man in the NFL. We 259 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: crossed paths there for a minute in Cleveland. So anyways, 260 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 2: good to see him have some success there and get 261 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: Shooter Sanders up and running. 262 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 5: Buck. 263 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: I know there's been talk about, you know, what would happen, 264 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: you know, coaching changes in the offseason. I know the 265 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 2: record is not where the Browns would like it. They've 266 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: got to get the quarterback thing figured out here. But 267 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: I think they'd be nuts to move on from this staff. 268 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 2: They've got a good head coach, a good defensive coordinator, 269 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: and I think Tommy Reese is going to grow into 270 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: being a good offensive coordinator as well. 271 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 272 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 4: Look, man, they got a lot of things, and I 273 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 4: think the one thing that bows well for the Cleveland 274 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 4: Browns is the young players are playing really, really well. 275 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 3: You think about their Ricky class and the contributions that 276 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 3: they're getting. 277 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, we can talk about the guys picking the players, 278 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 4: but the coaches have to develop him and put him 279 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 4: on the field. 280 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 3: Then. 281 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 4: Defensively, Miles Garrett is on pace to have twenty seven 282 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 4: plus sacks this season on a team that is always behind, Like, 283 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 4: it's ridiculous that he's been able to be that productive. 284 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 4: That speaks to Jim's horz creativity and some of the 285 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 4: other things. And I'll just say this defensively, man, they're 286 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 4: as good as anybody when they can get done. If 287 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 4: they just had a competent offense that could just not 288 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 4: turn it over keeping them in play, man, they would 289 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 4: be so good. 290 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, look, I'm with you. I don't think 291 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 3: they need to move on from this staff. 292 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 4: They got to figure out a quarterback thing and then 293 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 4: they just got to continue to let it grow and bubble. 294 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 3: And at the time when no one has patience, we 295 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 3: ask him for patients for the Browns. 296 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: If Sudor plays really well, Rett, if he, like say, 297 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: he just gets better and better and he gives them 298 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: the hope he can be their guy, that changes their 299 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: entire offseason. 300 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: Man, Well, no question, I think we're we're ways away 301 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: from that at this point. 302 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: But but there's enough, there's enough runway, there's enough runway 303 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 2: where he could get that plane up in the air. 304 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 5: Oh, no doubt, no doubt. 305 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: I mean we got we had six weeks left here, 306 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: and so I think that definitely gives you a pretty 307 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: decent sample size to to do that. Now, I go 308 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: back to what Tommy Rees said. I mean, like he 309 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: understood what he was getting into here right with Shador, 310 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: and he was like, my job before the game happen. 311 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: He's like, my job is to make Shad Door Sanders 312 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: as comfortable as possible. 313 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 3: Right. 314 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: So they you know, you had to obviously ramp up 315 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: all the reps compared to what he had been getting. 316 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: They talked about how he got you know, Ian mentioned 317 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: that some of the young guys get some of those 318 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 1: reps you know, each each practice, you know, after the 319 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: initial practice goes on and then it you know, felt 320 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: like that was probably pretty useful for him. But like 321 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: going back to running wildcat with Judkins down down in 322 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: the ends, like having having a package down in the 323 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: low red like that that takes some of that stuff 324 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: off Shoudur's plate, you know, I thought, making him comfortable 325 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: getting Dylan Samson going in the past game and then 326 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, Shaudor for his part, put the ball where 327 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: it needed to be for his playmakers to go out 328 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: there and and run with it. I mean, like the 329 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: Browns led the league in yak per reception in this 330 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: in you know, in this week of football all thirty 331 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: two teams, Brown's had the highest YAK per reception. Now 332 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: the Dylan Sans part of the part of that, but 333 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: like mal Kai Corley averaged twelve yards of pop after 334 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: the catch, you know, and that's what we had talked 335 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: about with him coming into the draft. Kind of same 336 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: thing for for Judy and Tillman. So like, I think 337 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: he did his part. But then those two working together 338 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: figured out, all right, what are the best ways for 339 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: us to execute to attack this defense and to put 340 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: Shador in positions to be successful. And as simple as 341 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: that sounds, I do feel like sometimes it doesn't always 342 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: go that way. So I give I give Tommy and 343 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: Kevin Sefanski and that offensive staff a lot of credit 344 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: for making Shador comfortable. And yeah, boy, it would solve 345 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: a lot of their problems if he is able to 346 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: emerge as the guy here. And like think about all 347 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: the different things that they've already dealt with, Like they 348 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: thought for a moment that Kenny Pickett was going to 349 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: be the starting quarterback in fall camp, and then you know, 350 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: and then then Flacco comes out and is the guy, 351 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: and then they got to get to Gabriel. I mean, 352 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: like the amount of change that they have had to 353 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: overcome and then to find some stability within the landscape 354 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: of a game with a rookie quarterback like that, I 355 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: think is pretty impressive. 356 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 3: So an initiing thing. 357 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw this report America Cabot 358 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 4: talked about Deshaun Watson being on their roster next year 359 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 4: and potentially being in their bridge quarterback and doing all 360 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 4: this other stuff. I think the Browns, after they do 361 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 4: their due diligence on the twenty twenty sixth class, I 362 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 4: think the first thing they got to do is they 363 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 4: got to make a decision is anybody in that class 364 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 4: worthy of using the capital that they've stockpiled up at 365 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 4: quarterback for a quarterback? Because if not, if they just 366 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 4: pour those assets into other parts of the team and 367 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 4: do what we've talked about doing, wait the twenty twenty 368 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 4: seven and drop the quarterback in when you have a 369 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 4: better overall team, that to me would be the more 370 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 4: sensible plan, regardless of whether it's Shad Door or Dylan 371 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 4: Gabriel or whoever is the quarterback. But do they have 372 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 4: enough patience to take that approach, because that approach could 373 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 4: pay off will, particularly with twenty twenty seven looking like 374 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 4: it's going to have more options at quarterback than what 375 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 4: we have in twenty twenty six. 376 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 3: Be careful saying that out loud. Buck. 377 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: There's some folks in Cleveland that they get all feisty 378 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 2: and upset when you say that they should build up 379 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: the rest of their roster. Speaking experience, they want to 380 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: take quarterback every year every I. 381 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 5: Think you should take one. 382 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 2: I just want you want to get them off your 383 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: back chieve Christmas, guys, they get fired up. Now it's 384 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 2: not like a just a disagreement, it's like they lose 385 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 2: their minds. 386 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 5: Yeah. 387 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 2: And the guy that they wanted, the guy they were 388 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: freaking out that when I suggest I said that maybe 389 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: they not take him, they ended up getting in the 390 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: fifth round. 391 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 3: So I didn't. I checked my inbox. I didn't see 392 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 3: an apology in there, but it. 393 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 2: But Yeah, nonetheless, they have some they have a good 394 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: coaching staff that got some good pieces in place. If 395 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: for somehow he plays really really well and their draft 396 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 2: capital can be used to support him instead of to 397 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 2: replace him, They're in a whole different situation here. So 398 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 2: and look, hope he does. Hope sure plays well for 399 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 2: the Browns in there and their fan base and they 400 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: can get rolling here. All right, let's change gears a 401 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 2: little bit here. Time for Hot or Not. It's brought 402 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 2: to you by with Sabi Hot Cloud Storage. This is 403 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 2: definitely in the not portion of that. And that is 404 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 2: some of the firings that took place. Chip Kelly he 405 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: is out as offensive coordinator of the Raiders three years 406 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: eighteen million bucks lasted eleven games, and then as Shane 407 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: Bowen out as defensive coordinator for the New York Giants. 408 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: So let's start on the Chip Kelly thing. Buck, He's 409 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: been a friend of the show. He's been good to 410 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 2: us over the years. I really like Chip a lot 411 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 2: as a person. With the results there and whether or 412 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: not it was lack of talent or what. 413 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 3: The issue was. But that was pretty gross. Yeah, it's 414 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 3: pretty gross. 415 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 4: But man, I don't know, man, he's in his first season, 416 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 4: it's the first year of a rebuild. I just think 417 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 4: our expectations are so high for what the turnaround needs 418 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 4: to look like right away. And I know Ben Johnson 419 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 4: and some guys have been able to jump in and 420 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 4: do it, but I think Ben Johnson stepped into a 421 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 4: better situation with better talent, I. 422 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 3: Don't know how talented. 423 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 4: Well, I would say this, I don't think the Raiders 424 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 4: are that talented on offense when you look at their 425 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 4: personnel on the perimeter. No number one receiver, you have 426 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 4: Brock Buyers, you have Askton genty, but you don't have 427 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 4: much beyond that man. At the end of the day, 428 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 4: this is a league about players, and you have to 429 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 4: have good players to move the ball effectively, especially against 430 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 4: good teams, and they just don't have it. I think 431 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 4: Chips offense has worked at times in the leagues, and 432 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 4: people can talk about the inconsistencies and the results and 433 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 4: all that, but I know this, I know he's a 434 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 4: really good offensive coordinator. For whatever reason, didn't work in Vegas. 435 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 4: I just think pulling the plug after eleven games is 436 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 4: just really, really quick. 437 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: I agree with you guys on Chip. I think he's 438 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: a sharp dude who understands, you know, offensive football really well. 439 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: I mean, like you look at what he did with 440 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: the Ohio State offense last year, and I mean that 441 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: was again, that was that was fantastic. But again you 442 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: look at the talent level, and probably the best talent 443 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: in you know, in the country, and he found ways 444 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: to utilize it for sure, different situation in Vegas. 445 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 5: I do wonder. 446 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: If there was at all some sort of philosophy clash, 447 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, between the way that Chip wanted to run 448 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: things and the idea of, you know, what's important to 449 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll. Like I think, you know, I'm not saying 450 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: that there were excuses made, but I would imagine that, 451 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, Chip's like, oh, look, we don't necessarily have 452 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: the guys. We need to make this work the way 453 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: that we want to. And I could see how, you know, 454 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: Pete's like, well, you know what, just keep competing, right, 455 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: I mean, like I get the sense that maybe he doesn't. 456 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: He doesn't want one guy feeding into the circumstances right 457 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: as opposed to just figuring out how to find the results. 458 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: Not saying that that happened, but I could certainly see 459 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: if that's something that you know, that that went. 460 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 5: The wrong way. 461 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: But I mean it was, Shoot, they're running out of 462 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: they'rerunning out of guys to let go over there. I mean, 463 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: you know, they already did the special Teams coordinator Offensive coordinator. Now, 464 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think if we look at again, 465 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: we talked about this when when John Spytech got the 466 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: job as the GM, Tampa had been really good at 467 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: beefing up both sides of the line of scrimmage. They 468 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: still have a lot of work to do there, right, 469 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: And again it's just one off season. It's been eleven games. 470 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: Like I think at this point with the Raiders, man, 471 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: the way that they've seen turnover, there's got to be 472 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: some patience here at some point. 473 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 2: So here's my question, and Buck you can answer it 474 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 2: first and Red follow it up. But remember when we 475 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 2: were in high school and used to have the all 476 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: league team came out like your first team All League 477 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 2: was kind of a big deal, you know, growing up 478 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: when we grew up, and then you had it beyond 479 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: that maybe the city or the state or what have you. 480 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 2: But I'm just thinking, if we just looked at the 481 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,719 Speaker 2: league as the AFC West, Rock Bowers, and this is 482 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: just one glance over the roster, Rock Bowers would be 483 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 2: the only person on the Raiders who would be first 484 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 2: team All a f C West on offense. You're looking 485 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 2: on offense, Yeah, I think that's the only one. Yeah, 486 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 2: whose there's nothing else just because office coordinators one who 487 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: got fired. So if I'm looking at it like that's 488 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 2: trying to I mean, like it's been ugly. And that's 489 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: the problem. That's the problem is that you could you 490 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 2: could look at it and say it's too early and 491 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: pulled up. I mean there's also a threshold of just like, oh, 492 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 2: by this is just this is so bad. And when 493 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 2: you're giving up ten sacks and you can't, you don't 494 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 2: have a chance. But that being said, they've got to 495 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 2: upgrade the talent. 496 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: Man, Well, look at Gino, I mean like Gino is frustrated, 497 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: like he's losing his mind after like every other rep, 498 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, and I get it. 499 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 5: It's it's it's a. 500 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: Lot different for him not having DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett 501 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: and Jackson Smith and Jigbo out there as it has 502 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: been up in Seattle, and the offensive line is a 503 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: lot different. And Colton Miller their best, you know, is 504 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: a guy who could have been. 505 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 2: We got Tyler Lockett back in his well, but not 506 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 2: not prime time, not that one. 507 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 3: Right, that's tough one. 508 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's get over to the defensive side 509 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 2: of the ball. What do you think about the Giants 510 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 2: making that move? 511 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 3: Fucker? 512 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 2: All right? 513 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 4: Man, Look, I don't know I understand it, but now 514 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 4: everything is like in the fact, we have an interim coach, 515 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 4: so then you're going to elevate someone on the staff 516 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 4: to be the interim defensive coordinator. You're trying to fix 517 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 4: it with six or seven games left. I think Mike 518 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 4: Kefi has done a really good job of one. The 519 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 4: offense and the team operation looks better when you hear 520 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 4: the information from the players they talk about more meeting time, uh, 521 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 4: more intentional work to get the team better prepared. All 522 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 4: this stuff is positive. I understand why you're frustrated with 523 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 4: the defense because you have lost with four or five 524 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 4: fourth quarter leagues, and to be honest, the defense was 525 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 4: supposed to be the best part of this team going 526 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 4: into the year when you look at the personnel, the 527 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 4: blue chippers that they have on the defensive line and 528 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 4: those things. I understand it. I just don't know if 529 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 4: you can change it with six games left with a 530 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 4: new voice. 531 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I wonder. 532 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: You know if this goes back to a couple of 533 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: weeks ago, right, you had Brian Burns talking about, you know, 534 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: airing his frustrations walking into the locker room about the 535 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: way that they approached certain things late in games. And 536 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: you were just talking about the leads that they've given up. 537 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: You know, is this a chance for Mike Kafka to say, like, hey, 538 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: you know, like I can, I can make the tough 539 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: calls like I can, I can be the guy that 540 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: figures this thing out for us, And this is the 541 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: way that I feel like we have to go in 542 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: order to you know, put our best product out on 543 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,239 Speaker 1: the field. And if this is an audition for Mike 544 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: Kafka to potentially get a look as the full time 545 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: head coach or as a head coach somewhere else, you're 546 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: gonna do whatever you can to put your team in 547 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: the best possible spot into you know, to be able 548 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: to you know, kind of make that resume as attractive 549 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: as possible and not saying that's why you made the 550 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: med the firing. 551 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 5: But the more you win and the more. 552 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: That you play well with the decisions that you've made, 553 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 1: I think the more you do that. So I think 554 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of a you know, it's a bold move, 555 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: but I think it's one that that clearly, you know, 556 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: he hopes changes the direction of where they're going here 557 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: these final six games and maybe gives them a chance 558 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: to hold on this thing full time. 559 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 560 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 2: I think there's two types of interim coaches. There's the hey, 561 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: just keep the let's just keep the lights on inside 562 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: of the building, interim head coach, and then there's the 563 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 2: other guy who wants to buy the house. 564 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. 565 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,479 Speaker 2: And to me, I think and rightfully so, Kafka has 566 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 2: been an attractive candidate for these jobs with his background 567 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 2: and who he's been around, all those things. So he's saying, hey, 568 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 2: I got one shot at this thing, man. Yeah, And 569 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 2: the fact of the matter is we've blown all these 570 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 2: games and I can't afford to do that down the stretch. 571 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to need to go five and one or 572 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 2: whatever down the stretch and show some serious chops here 573 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: as a head coach. 574 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: To get this job. I don't blame him for doing that, No, don't. 575 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 4: And look, I'll say this because, like the record is 576 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 4: the record, I do believe he's very qualified to get 577 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 4: this job. When you think about what they potentially could 578 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 4: do from a continuity standpoint around the quarterback. If he 579 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 4: gets the job, you're able to kind of continue to 580 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 4: build upon what you started as opposed to overhauling the system. 581 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 4: There's no denying the last two weeks since he's taken over. Offensively, 582 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 4: they have been a smooth or cleaner operation. They're doing 583 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 4: it with Jameis Winston in the game, so only imagine 584 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 4: what they'll be able to do with Jackson Dart and 585 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 4: those things. 586 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 3: I like what I've heard from the players. 587 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 4: I talked about the meeting and the professionalism and how 588 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 4: he handled of do a carter coming in late and 589 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 4: doing those things like, I like all of that. 590 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 3: So if you're going all in, Mike. 591 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 4: Caffick, get this, I understand saying, hey man, let me 592 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 4: get a new voice. Let's do something different on defense 593 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 4: to see if we can just stop the bleeding because 594 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 4: we're close enough to win games. 595 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 596 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: No, I'm with you one hundred percent. And that's uh, 597 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: you know, look, that's the way the league goes. You 598 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: get to this time of the year. Teams are making 599 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 2: some changes, trying to saw wage whatever they have left 600 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 2: of the season. So best of luck with the coach Bowen, 601 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 2: coach Kelly as they try and figure out what's next 602 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 2: for them. That was this week's Hot or Not segment, 603 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: brought to you by with Sabby Hot Clouds Storage, store 604 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 2: more and do more with your data. Try them for 605 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: free at Withsabby dot com. All right, guys, as we 606 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: wrap it up, Rrett, are you are you hosting Thanksgiving 607 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 2: and traveling? 608 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 3: What are you doing? 609 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: Uh? 610 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: Well, it's going to depend depend on whether we get 611 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: the uh the the next edition of the family here 612 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: this week. That's right, Yeah, so what what? 613 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 5: How are we? 614 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 3: We're right on that, We're on. 615 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: We're on what it's happening on baby watch likely happening 616 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: this week here, folks. 617 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 3: Oh whoa yeah? Yeh are you behind on this? Say? 618 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 4: I completely I completely missed us, Like I'm thinking, I'm 619 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 4: thinking you like, oh, we're about to go get a 620 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 4: puppy or we oh whoa yeah, baby. 621 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 5: Girl coming probably this week. 622 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 2: Grant some balance to the force this week, but well 623 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: not not fifty to fifty balance, but they're there's smokes, Yeah, 624 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: you have a girl edition here trying to figure out 625 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 2: whether we're going to be having Thanksgiving in the at 626 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 2: the hospital or not. 627 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 3: Buck. 628 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 2: I I've told him this about boys girls, and you're 629 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: somebody who's father both, so I would say, uh, young 630 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 2: girls easy, boys hard, yes, So the rambun once we 631 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 2: get to those teenage years, boys, piece of cake. Girls 632 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 2: you got you got your work cut out for you. 633 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 4: Uh, it just I'm with you. It just depends on 634 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 4: the foundation. If you do the foundation, the foundation early, 635 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 4: then you can have some of those conversations or whatever 636 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 4: DJ's for other. 637 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 2: On the line, like, yeah, I'm hoping it's not true 638 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: that you can try whatever you want, but you'll be 639 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: giving the phone calls. 640 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 3: Uh. 641 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,239 Speaker 2: The best advice I've got as a as as you're 642 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: getting ready to be a girl dad was when you 643 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 2: get to the teenage years. This is from Matt money Smith, 644 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 2: who's three daughters, gave me this great advice. He said, 645 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: they're going to get on the roller coaster. You cannot 646 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 2: get on with them, so you got to stay off 647 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 2: the ride as it goes up and down. 648 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 3: This. 649 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, because guess what, they are young, and you know 650 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 2: when you're young you can ride roller coasters and not 651 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 2: get hurt. Adults, you're gonna go out that your back's 652 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 2: gonna hurt. You don't. You can't do that fair enough. 653 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: You got to stay right here, nice love ice even. 654 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 3: Yeah. So there's your there's your update. There. 655 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 2: By the way, remind everybody you can check out Thursday 656 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 2: the football which is in honor to commemorate the late 657 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: John Madden. That's the fourth annual John Madden Thanksgiving Celebration 658 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 2: on Thursday, November twenty seventh. 659 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 3: This year, the. 660 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 2: NFL will benefit the newly created John Madden Madden Foundation 661 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 2: by auction off game used items from the three Thanksgiving 662 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: Day games via NFL Auction, with proceeds supporting the new foundation. 663 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: So enjoy your football and know there's a good cause 664 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 2: associated with. 665 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 3: It as well. That's going to do it for us. Rett. 666 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 2: We will not see you again. Happy Thanksgiving buddy. We'll 667 00:28:59,000 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: see you on you next week. 668 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 5: Appreciate it. 669 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. To see you next time. Right here on, 670 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:02,959 Speaker 3: move the sticks.