1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Hey, besties, Hello Sunshine. Today on the bright Side, let 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: us blow your mind because we're joined by the Grammy 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Award winning rapper Eve. Her new memoir Who's That Girl 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: is out today. She's spilling all the details on raising 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: her kids in London, as a Philly girl, navigating life 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: with a blended family, and the surprising call she got 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: from Jay Z when her first album dropped. It's Tuesday, 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: September seventeenth. I'm Danielle Robe and. 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: I'm Simone Voice, and this is the bright Side from 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together to 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 2: share women's stories, laugh, learn and brighten your day. 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: All right, First things first, we want to give a 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: warm welcome to all of you new listeners out there 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: who found us on Apple Podcasts. Yeah, we're so excited 15 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: that you're here, and we have a great episode for 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: you today and honestly every day. We pour so much 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: love into this show. 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We're so 27 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: honored and thrilled to be on their list of the 28 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: most exciting vital voices and personalities working and podcasting today. 29 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: We started this podcast to lift women up, so thank 30 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 2: you Apple podcast for lifting us up. 31 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: You know, we have Eve here today, who's a Grammy 32 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: Award winning artist. This is like our Grammys, and if 33 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: you know Eve at all, you know she's gonna get 34 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: real and even maybe use some colorful language. So if 35 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: you're listening around kids, you might want to put some 36 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: headphones on for this one. So some moan, we got 37 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: to get into it. 38 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: We have the Eve, the Eve, the let Me blow 39 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: your mind, the tambourine Eve. I mean, her music is 40 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: like a sonic passport or a timestamp. For me, it 41 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: takes me right back to being in middle school and 42 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: just like dancing with my. 43 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: Friends acting a fool. 44 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 3: Ough. 45 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: She just has the best vibes. So I love that 46 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: you said the word vibes because that's what I feel. 47 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: I've always loved her vibes. I don't know if it's 48 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: her strength that inspires me, but like she makes me 49 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: want to growl, Like she just has this oh about 50 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: her that I want to embody and I always did 51 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: and I didn't see a lot of women like her 52 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: when I was growing up, and so I just I 53 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: love that we're getting to talk to her today. 54 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 2: Maybe it's the iconic pawprint tattoos that make you want 55 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 2: to growl. 56 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: Maybe that was the point, the subliminal messaging that could 57 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: be it, or like the rough rider's tie. I don't know. 58 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really excited to get to know Eve a 59 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: little better. I mean, so much has changed, right, She's 60 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: now a mom to a toddler, a step mom to 61 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: four kids, and over the past ten years she's spent 62 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: more time in the UK than she has in America. 63 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: And she says she's a different person and from that 64 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: young girl that we all know and came up with, 65 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: who was hustling like her life depended on it twenty 66 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: five years ago. And something I've always wondered about is 67 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: the origins of her name Eve, because it's not just 68 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: your average name, like Eve is a very meaningful name. 69 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: I mean, it's biblical, it's biblical, it's historical. And this 70 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: theme of her name really emerges as one of the 71 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: more prominent through lines in her new memoir, as she 72 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: wonders whether she's blessed or cursed to share a name 73 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: with such a controversial figure. So she collaborated on this 74 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: book Who's That Girl, with writer Kathy Ian Dolly. 75 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: You know, when I think about part of that Girl 76 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: and that hustle that I respect so much, I think 77 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: it's also because she was one of the first women 78 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: to find success in the rap scene. I mean, she 79 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: began her career in the late nineteen nineties, and she 80 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: made history with her debut album. It reached number one 81 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: on the Billboard two hundred and then her two thousand 82 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: and one platinum album Score featured hits like Who's That 83 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: Girl and of course the Grammy Award winning song let 84 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: Me Blow Your Mind, And throughout her career she's always 85 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: just been a boundary breaker. She was one of the 86 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: first female rappers to have a sitcom, the other one 87 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: was Queen Ladifa. She launched a clothing line called Fetish 88 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: before celebrities were even doing that. Since then, she's released 89 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: more albums she's co starred in films. She co hosted 90 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: the CBS Daytime Emmy nominated talk show The Talk, and 91 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: then she recently starred in the critically acclaimed series Queens. 92 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: And that's all her resume, right, which is super impressive. 93 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: But this book really highlights her personal life, the behind 94 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: the scenes, and the more recent version of Eve that 95 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: we see is the one that fell in love and 96 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: moved to London and started a family. 97 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really interesting to hear her reminisce about 98 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: the early days and what it was like to be 99 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: one of the founding females of hip hop. She says 100 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 2: that she was constantly fighting for an ounce of the 101 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,799 Speaker 2: same respect that her male colleagues enjoy, which is funny 102 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: because that is such a huge recurring theme on our show. 103 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: We talked to a lot of our guests about that. 104 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: And then coming back to that theme of her name, 105 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 2: Eve writes that in those gritty early days, she often 106 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 2: felt herself leaning on the legacy of her name for strength. 107 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: This is one of my favorite quotes from the book. 108 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: She says, I realized that if the music industry wasn't 109 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: going to let me be the first woman of their universe, 110 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 2: then I had no choice. I had to leave and 111 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 2: go build my own. So that's that ferocity that you 112 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: were talking about, Danielle. It's clear that she's someone who 113 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: sees rejection as a challenge and not as a setback. 114 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: You know what. We could go back and forth all day, Simone, 115 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: but she's here with us, Eve, Welcome to the bright side. 116 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 3: Thank you. 117 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: We're so happy to have you. 118 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for having me. 119 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: So you're out with a brand new memoir. Before we 120 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: get into it, it's called Who's That Girl? And I 121 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: want to tell you that I read it in one night. 122 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: Oh no way, Wow, so good. 123 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 3: Thank you, so so good. 124 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: Thank you for keeping me company on my Saturday night. 125 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: It was much better than any date I've been on 126 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: in a while. 127 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: Do so much. That honestly means a lot. That means 128 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: a lot. 129 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 4: And my my co writer as well, Kathy, will appreciate that. 130 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: She's amazing. 131 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: Well. You share so many moments from your illustrious career, 132 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: and you recently told People magazine that having your son 133 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: wild actually has a lot to do with feeling like 134 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: you can talk about your past. Yeah, I didn't understand 135 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: what you meant by that. 136 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,239 Speaker 4: Why so I mean like I kind of, I guess, 137 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 4: did a little dive into being vulnerable, being honest and 138 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 4: truthful and talking about things that I feel like, I 139 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 4: guess I needed to heal when I was on the talk, 140 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 4: So that was like my first little toe in, and then, 141 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 4: you know, I continue to kind of work on my vulnerability, 142 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 4: work on opening up about things. One of the biggest 143 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 4: things for me was my journey with fertility and trying 144 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 4: to have a kid. And once I had him, I 145 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 4: was like, oh wow, like it's almost like one. 146 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 3: He just gives me this courage. 147 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 4: I know how this little boy just gives me this 148 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 4: like courage and I definitely feel so much more whole. 149 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 3: He definitely was. 150 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 4: A missing piece in my life. Everything is about him. 151 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 4: I want him to have the best life he could 152 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 4: that I could dream of for him. That a lot 153 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 4: of me writing this book and putting things in this 154 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 4: book and being honest and open is kind of shedding 155 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 4: old shit that I don't want to bring into how 156 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 4: I raise him feelings that he feels for me. I 157 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 4: really believe in things like that, energetically, familial ties, things 158 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 4: like that. 159 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it was just it was a lot. 160 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: It was a lot. He brought up a lot of things. 161 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 4: I will say childbirth and having the kid opens a 162 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 4: whole other canon worms of things. 163 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, Simone actually always talks about that on the 164 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: podcast I'm not a Mom Yet, and she says that often. Yeah, 165 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: what was your process in terms of trying to shed 166 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: some of those past things? 167 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 4: Are you a therapy girl, I'm like, off and on 168 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 4: do therapy. I'm a crystal healing, acupuncture, meditation, breath work, reiki. 169 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 4: I'm like, listen, whatever the modality I feel I need, 170 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 4: I will go towards it. I also, I just, yeah, 171 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 4: I try everything. 172 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 3: I do. 173 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 4: Believe therapy helps a ton. I'm grateful that I started 174 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 4: therapy and then I tried different kinds of therapy. But yeah, 175 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 4: I feel like from my friends that had kids, I 176 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 4: didn't hear about the other the breaking open as such, 177 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 4: and no one talked about that a lot to me. 178 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 4: I feel like, so I actually wasn't prepared for that 179 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 4: of like bringing up past childhood things, which makes total sense, 180 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 4: of course, but it's just not something I ever thought about. 181 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like this giant new mirror in 182 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: your life that just reflects everything back to you. Everything 183 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: you've been trying to run away from. Yes, it's crazy, 184 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: it's my experience. 185 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: No, it's true. 186 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 4: It's crazy, like you cannot go anywhere. Like you said, 187 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 4: you can't run from it, you can't ignore it. I 188 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 4: had been asked a few years ago while I was 189 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 4: on the Talk, probably my second year on the Talk, 190 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 4: I had been asked by someone if I wanted to 191 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 4: write a book, and I just definitely wasn't ready. But 192 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 4: I think when I met Kathy, because of being broken 193 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 4: open in a new way the kid everything, I was like, 194 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 4: you know what, yes, because I kind of want to 195 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 4: get this shit out, Like I. 196 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 3: Feel like I need to let it go. 197 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 4: I need to say it so I can release it 198 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: physically as well, heal whatever needs to be healed. Shed 199 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 4: that part and be ready for the I mean it's 200 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 4: so cliche to say, but be ready for the next 201 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 4: chapters of my life with this kid. 202 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 203 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 2: I also feel like marriage cracks you open in a 204 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: way too. 205 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: And also. 206 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: Because once you start, I mean just I'll just speak 207 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 2: for myself, like realizing how I am in arguments and 208 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: then tracing that back to you know, the wounds and 209 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: the patterns and just those deep rooted grooves in my 210 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 2: brain and then thinking about, okay, how do I undo 211 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: those patterns so I can a be a good wife 212 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: and a healthy wife, yeah, and then be model a 213 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 2: healthy marriage for my kids. 214 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 3: It's like it's a lot of pressure. 215 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 4: It's a lot of it's a lot of pressure as 216 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 4: I come from a family that wasn't very lovey dovey. 217 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 4: We didn't say we weren't really great communicators. We didn't 218 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 4: say I love you or I hate you, so if 219 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 4: things went bad then we screamed. So with my husband 220 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 4: and it's funny because you know he's very British, but 221 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 4: I will say I found the most touchy feely I 222 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 4: love you British family on the freaking planet. And also 223 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 4: you know I gained four bonus kids as well, so and. 224 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 3: They are very to this day, they are very I 225 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: love you. 226 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 4: They don't leave that they could be going to the store, 227 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 4: they will not leave the house without saying I love you, 228 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 4: or if they're going away for a weekend, they will hug. 229 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 4: And it took me, it's so sweet, but it took 230 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 4: me years actually to be comfortable enough to be like, 231 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 4: oh yeah, hug you back, I love you. And then 232 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 4: also being a step parent now being on mine, it's 233 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 4: just like so much. 234 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, that mirror, that mirror, don't. 235 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 4: Ever get tired of itself. Chah, that mirror be up. 236 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: So you write in your book pretty early on about 237 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: where you grew up in Philly, and there's this moment 238 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: where you talk about how your house was dark and 239 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't like there weren't a lot of windows, but 240 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: it felt dark. And you would go to friends' houses 241 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: and realize that their houses were lighter. And I'm sitting 242 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: here wondering if you always had this want for a happy, 243 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: light family because of that one memory. Is there a 244 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: tie there? 245 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so. I think. 246 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 4: You know, as you become an adult, you realize the 247 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 4: shit adults have to deal with, whether that is their 248 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 4: own addiction, their own ties to their familiar shit, their 249 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 4: own sadness, depression, whatever that is, right, I of course 250 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 4: didn't know it was that. As a kid, I grew 251 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 4: up a class clown. I always wanted to make people laugh. 252 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 4: I always wanted to make my mom laugh. I always 253 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 4: felt like that was something that I should be doing. 254 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 4: I was a performer. Clearly, this is why I'm in 255 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 4: the business. I always needed attention, and I think it 256 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 4: does come from that. I think it comes from trying 257 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,119 Speaker 4: to find happy moments like be happy, laugh. 258 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: Like you know, performing one. I definitely think that's what 259 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: it came from for sure. 260 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 2: Eve My half brother lives in Philly and my dad 261 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: went to school in Philly, so I have a real 262 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: soft spot in my heart for Philly people. Philly people, 263 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: they're just the realist, the warmest. What do you think 264 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: is the most Philly thing about you? Oh my god, 265 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: I am a Philly girl, true and through. I'm definitely 266 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: I do think. 267 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 4: Yes, Philly people are warm and they're down on earth, 268 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 4: but they are feisty and I think that has what 269 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 4: carried me far in life is the Philly feistiness. 270 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: And I'm proud of it. I am proud of that. 271 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 4: Like I'm real nice until i'm not, and I think 272 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 4: Philly people are. 273 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 3: Good at that. 274 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: Here's the question, though, after living in London for ten years, 275 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: what's the most British thing about you? Now? 276 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 3: I talk about the fucking weather all the time. 277 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 4: I am so concerned about the weather that it lives 278 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 4: to me. 279 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: Now. 280 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 4: I get it though, because on Sunday it was beautiful 281 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 4: walking around sunshine. 282 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 3: Now I am freezing. It is cold. It is great. 283 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 4: So I get now while they're obsessed with the weather 284 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 4: because it could change like that. 285 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 286 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: You know what's funny though, is all these interviews like 287 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: with Ebro and the Breakfast Club that you did, none 288 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: of them can believe that you moved to London. Like 289 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: they're all like why, how why? And it was like, dush, 290 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: she moved for love. I get it. 291 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And it's not like it's London. It's not Siberia. 292 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 4: It's not like freaking it's londoness dough. 293 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 3: London is dope. Also, it's not. 294 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 4: That far like from the east coast. I mean it's 295 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 4: quote as far from the west coast, but is not that 296 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 4: far from the east coast. Yeah, I did it for love. 297 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 4: I would have probably been here anyway, even without my husband. 298 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 4: It was something in my life that I always said 299 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 4: I would move to. I thought I was going to 300 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 4: move to Paris. Of course, I was like, I'll live 301 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 4: in Paris or London at some point in my life. 302 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 4: But obviously having love made it easier, and I honestly love. 303 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 3: It's a great city. It's a great Okay. 304 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: So I'm really interested in that chapter of your life 305 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: when you ended up moving across the world for your love. 306 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: You moved countries, got married, gained four step children all 307 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 2: at once, and then you. 308 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: Had a baby. 309 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: Like that's a lot of change and a short amount 310 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: of time. 311 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: Eve. 312 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, yes it is. I sometimes think I am a masochist. 313 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 4: I swear because oh, when I take it on, I 314 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 4: take it on. When I jump in, I jump in 315 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 4: and both feet, eyes wide open. But I'm also one 316 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 4: of those people that's like, fuck it, let's see. 317 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 3: I have always been like that. 318 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 4: I just believe that God forbid, if it hadn't worked 319 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 4: out or whatever, I could always move back. It is 320 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 4: a lot, but I am happy, of course, clearly that 321 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 4: did it. 322 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: Okay, we have to take a quick break, but we'll 323 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: be right back with more from Grammy Award winning artist Eve. 324 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: Stay with us and we're back with Eve. 325 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna turn the clock all the way back. So, 326 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: coming up as an MC in the nineties, you talk 327 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: about how everything was heavily gendered, that anytime you were 328 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 2: mentioned in an article or impressed, it was prefaced with 329 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: female rapper, and also that people had a lot of 330 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: low expectations for what a woman can do when you 331 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 2: take a look at the landscape today, how do you 332 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: process how things are now compared to when you were 333 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: coming up. 334 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 4: I love that there are so many women, so many 335 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 4: female voices in the landscape because we needed. You know, 336 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 4: how many freaking award shows can you have where all 337 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 4: these dudes are on stage celebrating each other, you. 338 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 3: Know what I mean? So thank you, gosh. I am 339 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 3: very happy. 340 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 4: The other thing that females have that I feel like 341 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 4: when we were coming up, there's none of that. The 342 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 4: one girl and the crew and the men have to 343 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 4: co sign her. Yes, it was a great era, but 344 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 4: at the same time, like, no, it's not necessary, and 345 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 4: I'm so happy that that seems to be in the 346 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 4: past a bit. 347 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: I think, just for context for everyone listening, it was 348 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: like you were the first lady of rough Riders. So 349 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: as DMX, it was all the boys, and then you 350 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: and even Gwen Stefani had no doubt in all the guys, 351 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: and then it was her. We saw that a lot, 352 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: so you're right, you. 353 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 4: Know, and I was like Kim with Bad Boy and 354 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 4: like so it was just kind of like that thing, 355 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 4: right that was yeah, the girl and the crew, the 356 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 4: one girl of the crew, the token with the token girl. Yes, 357 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 4: so yeah, thank god is not like as much like 358 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 4: that anymore. 359 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 360 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: So you said in interviews that the industry really never 361 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: made space for women who wanted to rap and be mothers. 362 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: And you and I both share a love you probably 363 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: in a different way because you know her for Lauren Hill, 364 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: and you saw how her career was impacted when she 365 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: had a child. Yeah, did that make you feel like 366 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: you didn't have an option to be a mom? 367 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: Like? 368 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: Did that delay things for you in any way? 369 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 3: It did? 370 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 4: I think I just didn't think I could do both, 371 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 4: to be honest, And I think it was that it 372 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 4: was definitely Lauren when she put out that song Zion, 373 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 4: and she literally talked about it in Zion and how 374 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 4: people were discouraging her from that. I mean I would 375 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 4: go in meetings sometimes and be discouraged for having a boyfriend, 376 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 4: Like literally, in meetings that was supposed to be about music. 377 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 4: I'd have execs being you know, you really shouldn't be 378 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 4: in relationships for too long. It takes away your focus. 379 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 4: I'm like, would you say that to these guys that 380 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 4: come in here. 381 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: And has like twelve girlfriends by the way, exactly, that's 382 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: exactly what I was thinking. 383 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 4: Danielle literally twelve girlfriends and six baby mamas. Yes, yeah, 384 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 4: so it was always weirdly talked about. And then I 385 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 4: think the delay also just came from I think the 386 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 4: more and more I got busy, the more and more 387 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 4: I kind of was in this my own space of 388 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 4: kind of self sabotage and what is happening and what 389 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 4: is going on? And then I kind of was just like, not, 390 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 4: I can't bring a kid into this at all right now, 391 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 4: and also thinking and taking for granted that it would 392 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 4: just happen when I meet the guy that I love, 393 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 4: because that's what they tell you, like, you get married, 394 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 4: you have a baby. 395 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,479 Speaker 3: That's it. I think I actually took that for granted 396 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 3: as well. 397 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna admit something embarrassing. Twenty seventeen, Cardi came out 398 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: with Bodak Yellow, huge hit. It put her on the map, 399 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: and the next year she got pregnant and I was 400 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: doing a morning show like reporting on the news, and 401 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: I remember thinking like, oh, her career is over. Why 402 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 1: would she do that? And thankfully it wasn't, but to 403 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: me that felt like the turning point. What do you 404 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: think changed? 405 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 3: Oh my god? 406 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 4: I one hundred percent what you thought. We all thought 407 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 4: that is the realest thing, because she was the one 408 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 4: who did it. And you're like, oh, but how amazing, 409 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 4: how beautiful, How I was so happy and proud to see, Like, damn, 410 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 4: I was inspired by her, you know, like, oh man, 411 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 4: we really have moved on, you know what I mean. Nah, 412 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 4: it's a great, amazing, beautiful thing. Definitely, there's moms in 413 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 4: all industries, very high stress energies that have kids all 414 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 4: across this world. 415 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 2: Why can't it be music as well? You know what 416 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: I was just thinking about as you were talking about CARTI. 417 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 2: Male rappers have had babies, lots of them since the 418 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 2: dawn of hip hop, and it's never been an issue 419 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 2: for them. But now suddenly a mother can't be publicly 420 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 2: mothering and rapping at the same time. 421 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's insane, but that's all societal bullshit. 422 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, all societal bullshit. 423 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to ask you something that everyone's going 424 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: to ask you in an interview, So I'm sorry if 425 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: this is annoying, but it is interesting. So you released 426 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: your first album in nineteen ninety nine. It's called Let 427 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: There Be Eve, and you're Rough Riders. Quote unquote first lady, 428 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: you go on to be double platinum, you sell two 429 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: hundred thousand records in your first week, which is insane. 430 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: And Jay Z called you the day the album was released. Yes, 431 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: will you share what he said? 432 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah. 433 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 4: He basically was like, you know, congratulations, which I was 434 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 4: like thanks, but it was like he was like, well, 435 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 4: you know, don't be too disappointed because female rappers really 436 00:20:55,200 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 4: don't sell that well usually so and I was just like, okay, 437 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 4: you know, thanks for the congratulations. And I didn't feel 438 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 4: And it's funny because and I put it in the 439 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 4: book because I do. It was such a big moment, 440 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 4: like it didn't stop anything, it didn't steal my scheme 441 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 4: in any way. Jay went on to be a friend 442 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 4: and a supporter and I vice versa whatever. But it 443 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 4: was just one of those moments where it was like, wow, 444 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 4: that's crazy, and thankfully the album did what it did, 445 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 4: but it became a theme in my life, I feel like, 446 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 4: and in the book it feels that way even for 447 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 4: me once I wrote it, of the underdog syndrome of 448 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 4: being questioned of the would they say this to a man? 449 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 3: No, they would not like. 450 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 4: Why that was one of those moments where you're just like, 451 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 4: oh wow, it was a bit shocking, but it didn't 452 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 4: take any steme away or anything like that. 453 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 3: If anything, it was more of the. 454 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 4: Okay, I'll show you don't no worries. 455 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,479 Speaker 2: I feel like that underdog spirit is so intrinsic to Philly, 456 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 2: maybe partly because of Rocky. 457 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 3: It's true, I think so too. We are very much that. 458 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 4: You know, The thing is, Philly is one of those 459 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 4: places that has grown and grown and grown. But back then, 460 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 4: you know, musically it was New York, New York City. 461 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 4: If it's hip hop is New York. If you're from Philly, okay, 462 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 4: there is Listen, there's a rich, huge, rich musical history 463 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 4: of Philadelphia, but it's still not New York. So when 464 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 4: I used to go to New York and like try 465 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 4: to rap, well give out my demos and stuff, people 466 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 4: be like, oh, you sound so country, I'm like. 467 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 3: I'm fucking Philly. It's an hour thirty five minutes. 468 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: Excuse me, it's not that far. Like, I don't. 469 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 3: Sound that country. 470 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, I think back then it was 471 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 4: just still just having to prove yourself, which I get, 472 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 4: which I get. 473 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna talk about your second album. So, despite 474 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 2: the success of your first album, you write that you 475 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 2: were still underestimated for your second album, Scorpion, and you 476 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 2: have this megahead. Of course, this banger we all know, 477 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 2: let me blow your mind with Gwen Stefani. It wins 478 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: a Grammy, But you said that your team originally didn't 479 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: I want you to work with Gwen on that track? 480 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: Why not? 481 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 4: It's funny because she was the only person I heard. 482 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,719 Speaker 4: I didn't hear anyone else. I heard that record. I 483 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 4: was like, it has to be Gwenn, and everybody else 484 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 4: was like, it's just not gonna work. Nobody's gonna believe this, 485 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 4: And I'm like, why, we're both We're just artists making 486 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 4: music and seems where Also, she was a label mate 487 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 4: at that time, so it took me a while to convince. 488 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 3: I've had since then. I've had an. 489 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 4: Old exact that I saw years ago that was like, 490 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 4: you know, it was me too, that was like, this 491 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 4: is gonna work. I'm like, of course, of course, yes, 492 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 4: of course, of course. But back then I kind of 493 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 4: had to fight for it, and I'm so glad that 494 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 4: it happens. I think Jimmy Ivan probably was the one 495 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 4: the catalyst because Jimmy gets it. He's a genius when 496 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 4: it comes to stuff like that, So I think he 497 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 4: helped to make that happen. 498 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, was it that people thought Gwen was to pop 499 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 2: and like the it was a juxtaposition that was too harsh. 500 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 4: Yes, And I would say to them like, look at 501 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 4: Aerosmith and run DMC like that happened in eighty four 502 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 4: eighty five. Come on, that's a classic fucking record. And yeah, 503 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 4: I think also because I was the new girl in 504 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 4: hip hop, I think on the hip hop side, people 505 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 4: were probably like, oh shit, nah, like this is too 506 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 4: fast of a transition. You need to stay in this lane, 507 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 4: you need to stay here, which I also understand. But 508 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 4: I was just like, come on, y'all, this is a banger, 509 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 4: like Dre is producing, like I'm. 510 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 3: Rapid, Like it's fine, Like it'll be fine. 511 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 4: And I remember when we when we showed up to 512 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 4: the BET Awards on the red carpet, it was definitely 513 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 4: like okay, oh oh, you brought your little friend, your 514 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 4: love friend into wards. 515 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 3: But you know what, it fucking worked out. It worked out. 516 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 4: It was that was a fun time because I had 517 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 4: gone into spaces I'd never been in and when was 518 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 4: in spaces, she had never been in. 519 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 2: Well from the outside looking in, like y'all do have 520 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: like this same energy piece that I think worked so well, 521 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: Like she's got that SoCal Orange County edge tour you 522 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 2: bring in the East Coast flavor, like there's some that 523 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 2: synergy was obviously just a match made in heaven. 524 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 3: I thought so too. Thank you very much. 525 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: We need to take another short break and we'll be 526 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 2: right back. We're back with Eve. 527 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: When you say fight for it, you talk about what 528 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: you fought for with your music, with your fashion line, 529 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: with all of it throughout the book. But now talking 530 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: to you, I'm guessing the way you fight for things 531 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: has changed. 532 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 2: You know. 533 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: The idea of not having your voice or your ideas 534 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: heard is so prevalent. Simona and I interview women every 535 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: single day, and it is a theme that we hear 536 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 1: over and over again. It just is what have you 537 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: learned about getting your point across, getting your ideas heard? 538 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: Throughout all these years. 539 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 4: I think back then it really used to hit me 540 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 4: in a way that made me very sad. I will 541 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 4: say that it really took a lot of my self esteem. 542 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 4: I have been apologized to from a director from an 543 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 4: old A and R person about my ideas and just 544 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 4: saying you know which, I'm so grateful that that happened 545 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 4: because that normally never happens. But it helped me know 546 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 4: that I wasn't fucking insane, because what happens is you 547 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 4: start questioning yourself about your instincts Okay, maybe I'm not 548 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 4: supposed to be doing this, where it's really people who 549 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 4: are intimidated or just don't want to champion you, and 550 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 4: that is really sad and it sucks. Like you said, 551 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 4: you guys talk to these women and it's still happening, 552 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 4: and that they feel like this, that is horrible. I 553 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 4: have learned now that and it's hard sometimes, but you 554 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 4: have to trust your gut, trust your instincts, and if 555 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 4: you really feel like that's what it is, you can 556 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 4: put your foot down without screaming if you don't want to. 557 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 4: But also to be like stand in your truth of no, 558 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 4: this is what it is, or I'm sorry, and that 559 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 4: has a lot of power and that takes a lot 560 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 4: of courage. 561 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 3: It took me a long time to get to that place. 562 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 4: Because then the business sometimes you would have management or 563 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 4: an agent that's like, oh no, you have to take 564 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 4: this opportunity because if we say no to them, you 565 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 4: won't get another opportunity, and like you become paranoid. But 566 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 4: I think it's just about standing in your truth and 567 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 4: knowing like you just have to put your foot down. 568 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 3: You just do. 569 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 4: And now I don't have any issues with it. I 570 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 4: don't have any issue saying no. I have zero issues 571 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 4: saying no now, which is so nice. It's a nice 572 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 4: place to be. 573 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: It takes time, though. I loved reading about that because 574 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: I felt that and still feel that sometimes. And it's 575 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: like you're such a tough person externally that to hear 576 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: that it affected you. Oh yeah, I think was really 577 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: nice to hear no. 578 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 3: Thank you. 579 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 4: I think I had to build this toughness though to 580 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 4: be heard like it served me. The toughness, the wall, 581 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 4: the fuck youness is served me. And then you get 582 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 4: to a point where you're like, oh shit, I don't 583 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 4: need that anymore. So now how do I voice myself 584 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 4: voice my opinion without using you know, stuff from the past. 585 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 4: And that takes time too, and I do sometimes still 586 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 4: get a little ek of course, because we're human. I 587 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 4: do sometimes I'm like, oh man, I feel bad I 588 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 4: should maybe, and then it's like, but you know what, 589 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 4: if it can't happen, it can't happen if they're not 590 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 4: respecting where I'm at, then sorry, Because also it goes 591 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 4: both way, like respect me and I will respect you. 592 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: I know that we got to wrap up your time here. 593 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 3: You have truly done it all. 594 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: I mean, you've hosted the talk, You've got upwards of 595 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 2: fifty acting credits. I loved you and The Woodsman, and 596 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 2: even still I feel like we are barely scratching the 597 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 2: surface of Eve the actor and what you're capable of. 598 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: And I see you nodding your head, and I feel 599 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: that you feel that too. So what kinds of roles 600 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: do you crave these days? Or do you like, do 601 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 2: you crave getting back into the acting game at all? 602 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 4: I think I am. I mean, I will say this, 603 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 4: My dream role of all time is like, because I 604 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 4: love conspiracy shit, So if I could be like. 605 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 2: An agent that's so east coast of you by. 606 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 4: The way, forty eight hours, no, like anything that's kind 607 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 4: of like government, I'm an agent. 608 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 3: He's amazing. Any type of action, I'm jumping on it. 609 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 4: But I would love to be on the producer creative side. 610 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 3: That's kind of what I'm working on right now. 611 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: I'm thinking Bond Girl. You're in London. I think you 612 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: should push for that one. 613 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 3: I'm gonna put it in the universe. 614 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 4: Let me go squat and crunch my way home the 615 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 4: whole time because I gotta get the body right for that. 616 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: Leave the Bond girl. Okay, here's what I really need 617 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: to know. Are we ever bringing fetish back? 618 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 3: I love you for that. You know what's funny. 619 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 4: I just found a bunch of old fetish shit that 620 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 4: I cleaned out some stuff. 621 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, fetish in what it was? No, 622 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 3: but I would actually love to do something new. 623 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 4: I would love to get back kind of into fashion 624 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 4: maybe in some way, don't know how, but oh yeah, 625 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 4: not fetish as it was. 626 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: I thought that was one of the coolest things you've 627 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: ever done. That was pre anybody having a fashion line 628 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: that was pre j Low, pre all of this. I 629 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: just think you had so much artistic vision always I 630 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: had fetish pieces, So I'd like a reboot. 631 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: Thank you, Eve, Thank you so much. This has been 632 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 2: just the greatest joy of my life. Speaking to you 633 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 2: is wonderful. 634 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. 635 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: Eve is the multi Plotnam, Grammy Award winning rapper, singer, songwriter, actor, 636 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: philanthropist and entrepreneur. 637 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: That's it for today's show. Tomorrow, it's Wellness Wednesday. We're 638 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: joined by Eve Rodsky, New York Times bestselling author of 639 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: fair Play and find Your Unicorn Space. She'll be sharing 640 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: groundbreaking insights from a brand new study on the truth 641 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: behind the mental load and how to reclaim your time. 642 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 2: Join the conversation using hashtag the bright Side and connect 643 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 2: with us on social media at Hello Sunshine on Instagram 644 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: and at the bright Side Pod on TikTok Oh, and 645 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 2: feel free to tag us at Simone Voice and at 646 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 2: Danielle Robe. 647 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: Listen and follow The bright Side on the iHeartRadio app, 648 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. 649 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 2: See you tomorrow, folks, Keep looking on the bright side.