Speaker 1: Hey guys, Well, summer is here, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: going to try to do every summer because I feel
Speaker 1: like during the regular year, we're sprinting. I'm missing things,
Speaker 1: We're racing through things, We're getting to the next thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I even think about it when I'm getting
Speaker 1: my kids ready for school. It's like, get your shoes,
Speaker 1: get your shoes, let's go, let's go. I feel like
Speaker 1: we're always in motion and in fast, crazy, fast paced.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about what happens when we slow it down.
Speaker 1: Don't have to be summertime to slow down, but just
Speaker 1: to slow it down. Because what's weird is I think
Speaker 1: when we slow our days down, and we can do
Speaker 1: it intentionally, like it feels like there's more time in
Speaker 1: the day, it feels like there's more room to flush
Speaker 1: it out. It feels like everything slows down. And so
Speaker 1: when summer comes, since we don't have all the deadlines,
Speaker 1: it's the idea of taking it slow. Like what I
Speaker 1: like to do on a summer day is have one
Speaker 1: mini plan during the day, whether it's go to the
Speaker 1: pool or do something. The rest of the day, I
Speaker 1: feel like it should breathe. And I've noticed something about myself,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you guys have this. When
Speaker 1: I'm rushing, my kids hardly say anything because they're always
Speaker 1: being rushed. We don't have any kind of conversations that
Speaker 1: are any good. The best convos I find come either
Speaker 1: late at night when you're putting your child down. At night,
Speaker 1: when you're putting your child down and there's nowhere to
Speaker 1: go except to sleep, when I'm driving, because they're not
Speaker 1: staring at me, and they for some reason, they just
Speaker 1: start talking it all out, and when I'm in slow motion.
Speaker 1: So here's an example of one of my daughters. So
Speaker 1: we were in the bathroom and she was using the
Speaker 1: bathroom when were reading a book together. She's seven and
Speaker 1: so she so I was sitting there and I thought,
Speaker 1: let me just ask her this question. I said, so, honey,
Speaker 1: my daughter has type one diabetes. She was diagnosed when
Speaker 1: she was almost five. And so I said, can I
Speaker 1: ask you a question? I said, what's it like to
Speaker 1: have diabetes? Because I never really asked her that, you know,
Speaker 1: and anyone who's got a child or knows someone with
Speaker 1: diabetes knows there's a lot of insulin and shots and
Speaker 1: monitoring and you know, all that stuff. And she said, well,
Speaker 1: sometimes it feels kind of unfair because all the other
Speaker 1: kids get cupcakes and I don't sometimes and kids are
Speaker 1: always asking me, like what is that thing on your arm?
Speaker 1: And sometimes my legs feel wobbly. And she was just
Speaker 1: going through all the things that come with being a
Speaker 1: little kid with diabetes. Yes, and I was listening so
Speaker 1: and she said so, but I guess that's life, right, mom,
Speaker 1: something like that. And I said, yeah, honey, And she said, well,
Speaker 1: what's it like for you to have me? I said, oh,
Speaker 1: my God, like it's one of the greatest blessings of
Speaker 1: my life to have you. I said, I'm learning so
Speaker 1: much from you, and I'm watching your resilience and you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking on and on and she blurts out
Speaker 1: in the middle the middle of it, like wipe me, mom,
Speaker 1: or something like that. But the point is is like
Speaker 1: that conversation would not have come had I not slowed down,
Speaker 1: if I'd been racing like I do. To hurry up
Speaker 1: and brush your teeth and wipe yourself and move on
Speaker 1: and let's go and in the car, put on your seatbelt.
Speaker 1: You know, all the things I would have missed it.
Speaker 1: And so my summer intention is to slow down, is
Speaker 1: to have real conversations that are rich and full and beautiful,
Speaker 1: and they're all around us, and I think sometimes we
Speaker 1: miss them because we're too busy getting to the next thing.
Speaker 1: I remember Maria Shriver told me the story once that
Speaker 1: she had a million things to do and she was
Speaker 1: talking to her friend on the phone. She was in
Speaker 1: the car, friend was on speaker and she's like, I'm late.
Speaker 1: I have to go here, and I have to go there.
Speaker 1: And she said, Marie, where are you going? But he goes,
Speaker 1: I'm going to this place, and I'm going to that place,
Speaker 1: and then I'm going to this place. And she said, Maria,
Speaker 1: where are you going? And she realized she didn't know
Speaker 1: where she was going. She was, you know, just going
Speaker 1: fast to nowhere. So anyway, this is a long way
Speaker 1: of saying, slow down, summer, and let's slow it all down.
Speaker 1: Which brings me to my next guest. Okay, she's got
Speaker 1: a three namer, Jody Turner Smith. So Jody is such
Speaker 1: a fascinating person. Okay. She is from Jamaica. Originally, her
Speaker 1: mom's from Jamaica. She was born in England and she
Speaker 1: lived there for ten years then she moved to the States.
Speaker 1: This is a person who has such crazy tenacity, such
Speaker 1: a student and became an actress. I mean, you probably
Speaker 1: know her from the Agency, which is an incredible series
Speaker 1: where she is like fantastic in this series. You might
Speaker 1: know her from some of her earlier work, which is
Speaker 1: Queen and Slim. She's played Anne Boleyn And for those
Speaker 1: of you who are Swifties, she happens to have been
Speaker 1: in a Taylor Swift video. What's fascinating about her is
Speaker 1: how she defines joy and how she defines success. Everyone's
Speaker 1: kind of got their own trip when it comes to
Speaker 1: those kinds of things. Sometimes she needs more and more
Speaker 1: and more and more, and maybe you're still not joyful. Well,
Speaker 1: I think Jody has sort of cracked that nut. She
Speaker 1: understands where her sweets are is. She's got a six
Speaker 1: year old daughter, she's acting, and she's living this very
Speaker 1: joyful and wonderful life. And she sprinkles her interview with
Speaker 1: beautiful life lessons. So I hope you enjoy my conversation
Speaker 1: with actress Jody Turner Smith. Oh wait a minute, glam
Speaker 1: has hit the zoom listen.
Speaker 2: I did my own glam today.
Speaker 1: Oh you did not That's impossible. I did what's the
Speaker 1: wand I want to know what wand was used for
Speaker 1: that that hair because that took work.
Speaker 2: Listen, listen.
Speaker 3: You know what I've been so getting into is doing
Speaker 3: those little soft rollers at night.
Speaker 1: Come on, you know the ones that like of course
Speaker 1: it's like old school.
Speaker 2: Is everything, and last night too is my I was
Speaker 2: like this big.
Speaker 3: Oh please, you know it reverts when with any kind
Speaker 3: of moisture outside, and it was like so big, and
Speaker 3: I was like, I remember, it was like it was
Speaker 3: like eleven o'clock last night and I was outside and
Speaker 3: I was like, why didn't I put on like a
Speaker 3: bonnet or something. My hair is going to be so
Speaker 3: missed up. I have to do it myself tomorrow. And
Speaker 3: then before I went to bed, I was like, you
Speaker 3: know what, I was eyeing those furlos and I was like,
Speaker 3: let me just.
Speaker 1: Okay, well this is I think you need to do
Speaker 1: something on that, because if this is the result of that. Man.
Speaker 1: By the way, I always say like I have weather
Speaker 1: sensitive hair. Every time I step out in the rain,
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like there's incoming fire. I'm like,
Speaker 1: my kids know I have a seven year old and
Speaker 1: a nine year old when it starts raining, they're like,
Speaker 1: let's go. They understand that we got trouble when it's raining.
Speaker 3: Okay, I know, you know what I I've always been
Speaker 3: like just shorthair gully, and so it's like for me,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh gosh, you know this just having to be.
Speaker 2: Cognizant of sensitive to the weather. It's like a new thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, but.
Speaker 2: I'm adapted.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, it's all making sense now. In high school,
Speaker 1: you were most likely to succeed. I understand from this
Speaker 1: brief interaction that, of course that's what they voted because
Speaker 1: of course that's what you were. What were you like
Speaker 1: in high school?
Speaker 3: By the way, you know, I was your classic overachieva.
Speaker 3: You know, I have an atype personality, so you know,
Speaker 3: I'm that one who's like and I'm a Vago too,
Speaker 3: and you know that. I always see these memes like
Speaker 3: Virgo is like if you have Virgo in the group,
Speaker 3: project Virgo may just be like, you know what, you guys,
Speaker 3: you leave it.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna do this because if you want something done,
Speaker 2: you got to do it yourself, Okay.
Speaker 3: Definitely wanting to be in control of results. So I'm
Speaker 3: very much like I was always the person who is
Speaker 3: just like I gotta do it all I gotta. But
Speaker 3: then you know what, I was also a very big procrastinator,
Speaker 3: even if you I was a procrastinator.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, just before I got in here, since you
Speaker 1: said virgo, I just have to stop you for a
Speaker 1: second because I decided that I was going to put
Speaker 1: your birthdate into the big virgo situation, and this is
Speaker 1: going to describe you and tell me if I'm right.
Speaker 1: This is your birthday, your date, and your year. Okay.
Speaker 1: Positive traits Thoughtful and observant. They always notice details at
Speaker 1: others smiths. They tend to be perceptive and good listeners. Dependable.
Speaker 1: People born on this day often take commitments seriously. If
Speaker 1: they say no to something, they usually don't do it.
Speaker 1: If they say yes, they'll do it. Intelligent and curious,
Speaker 1: ruled by mercury. They enjoy learning, asking questions, and improving
Speaker 1: themselves caring through actions. They may not always be gushy,
Speaker 1: but they show love by helping, fixing, organizing, and remembering things.
Speaker 1: High standards this is so you wait. They strive for
Speaker 1: excellence often inspire others to do better, not because they're flashy,
Speaker 1: but because they are quietly disciplined strong intuition. Virgos are
Speaker 1: known for their logic, but September seventh birthdays often have
Speaker 1: an emotional, intelligent and intuition that helps them read people,
Speaker 1: and they are loyal beyond belief. Am I hitting you right?
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 3: It's so crazy because it's like as much as people
Speaker 3: want to say, like, oh, you know astrology, I don't
Speaker 3: believe in that, but I don't know if it's like
Speaker 3: the older that I get, the more that I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is spot on.
Speaker 2: But everything that you just said.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's wait, okay, hold on, challenges girl, Sorry, there's
Speaker 1: this side of the coin. Are we ready ready? Perfectionism,
Speaker 1: Their gift for noticing details, can become a burden. Sometimes
Speaker 1: they may set impossibly high standards for themselves and others,
Speaker 1: overthinking September seventh Virgos can replay conversations, analyze situations endlessly,
Speaker 1: and have difficulty turning off their minds. All right, self criticism,
Speaker 1: I hope this isn't right. They often extend grace to others,
Speaker 1: but can be remarkably hard on themselves, difficulty receiving help.
Speaker 1: They like being capable the capable one, and they struggle
Speaker 1: to be vulnerable, and they worry. They anticipate problems so well,
Speaker 1: they can spend too much time preparing for things that
Speaker 1: sometimes never happen. It's true, it's all your things. So
Speaker 1: is this you okay? So this girl who we just
Speaker 1: described was voted most likely to succeed, is now this
Speaker 1: successful actress has had this incredible life in between? What
Speaker 1: is the secret? Because I my parents are from Egypt,
Speaker 1: so often when I was in a classroom in Morgantown,
Speaker 1: West Virginia, I was the one with the funny name.
Speaker 1: I was the one with the crazy hair. I was
Speaker 1: the one, and so I was constantly trying to fit
Speaker 1: in everywhere in all these spaces. Were you one who
Speaker 1: tried to fit in? Or were you somebody who kind
Speaker 1: of wanted to stand out?
Speaker 3: As a kid, It's so like, all you want to
Speaker 3: do is fit in, Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: You don't want to be the person who's on the outside.
Speaker 2: You know, you crave.
Speaker 3: Belonging, and as humans, you cred that it never goes away.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I definitely think that I did try
Speaker 3: to fit in in so many ways. But I also
Speaker 3: what I did was I relied on my intelligence to
Speaker 3: sort of filling the gaps for the places that I
Speaker 3: didn't fit in. So it's like I made myself unquestionable
Speaker 3: by being the smartest, by being the most on top
Speaker 3: of it, by being the best, by being the you know,
Speaker 3: like that way, It's like if there were bits that
Speaker 3: people wanted to criticize, they couldn't. I'm like, I was
Speaker 3: like trying to close all the gaps of anybody trying
Speaker 3: to criticize me by just like being the best, being
Speaker 3: the smartest, being in charge. That's why I was always
Speaker 3: wanting to be like the captain, the leader, the president,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, in some way in a
Speaker 3: position of authority.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, God, I'm learning. You're so fun to get
Speaker 1: to know. I like all of this. Okay, So you're
Speaker 1: born in the UK. What was that ten years? What
Speaker 1: were those ten years? If you were to not shell
Speaker 1: them in a couple of lines, what was that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I feel like I definitely very
Speaker 3: naive for sure. I don't think I really had an
Speaker 3: awareness of some of the different and varied experiences of
Speaker 3: the world because also I was from a small town,
Speaker 3: you know, a little village outside of Petersborough called Coats.
Speaker 2: I remember always, you know, it was a very simple life.
Speaker 3: I lived right around the corner from my primary school,
Speaker 3: you know, like I could just walk there in two
Speaker 3: minutes and then, like you know, we've had me say before,
Speaker 3: like you know, we were the only black family our
Speaker 3: village and black children at our school. So you know,
Speaker 3: for me, there was always like a longing for a
Speaker 3: black community that was like outside of just.
Speaker 1: Like my family helps you. A little girl, by the way,
Speaker 1: she's so good. She's what is she six?
Speaker 2: She's six? Now?
Speaker 1: Is she bossy?
Speaker 2: Is she bossy? Is water wet? And she says, I'm bossy?
Speaker 2: Do you know what It's like? Here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Okay, So because I guess I am bossy, and so
Speaker 3: is my mother who is living us and helping me
Speaker 3: raise my daughter. So she's got these two bossy, fiery
Speaker 3: women who are looking after her, and she is just
Speaker 3: like the amalgamation.
Speaker 2: Of woves energies. Wow, it's open again.
Speaker 3: I'm always referring to her meme again. But I remember
Speaker 3: one time to see this meme and it was like me,
Speaker 3: me trying to cut my daughter out for having the
Speaker 3: same attitude.
Speaker 1: That I have. That's hilarious.
Speaker 3: Do you want to get mad at them? But it's
Speaker 3: like she's literally just cause my same attitude.
Speaker 1: It's like I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it, you know, And it's like, but you know,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I really don't get mad at it because I'm just like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's my job to you know, to nurture
Speaker 3: and guide that energy.
Speaker 2: But I also I want to flourish, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: I want to do You're so right? What's harder being
Speaker 1: an actor and doing all the things that acting as
Speaker 1: you do or being a mom.
Speaker 3: Of course, first of all, just even the entrance into
Speaker 3: motherhood is like not for the faint of heart, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, It's like.
Speaker 2: You literally become a whole new person. Yeah, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 3: I I lean on what I've learned in motherhood from
Speaker 3: my work, and it's made me stronger. It makes me
Speaker 3: strong being a stronger as an artist, do you know
Speaker 3: what i mean? Like the motherhood informs it all. And
Speaker 3: then also it's like, you know, there's just no heartache
Speaker 3: and disappointment like the ones that you experience in motherhood,
Speaker 3: Like it is so hard to be split between what
Speaker 3: you want to do for and with your children and
Speaker 3: having you got like you know what I mean, It's
Speaker 3: like how do I even.
Speaker 2: Leave the house sometimes? I don't know. It takes such strength,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: But it's also just like beyond that as a physical process,
Speaker 3: there's emotional processes, a spiritual process.
Speaker 2: It's like there's nothing.
Speaker 1: All of it. I like it all right, I'm going
Speaker 1: to take you back again. So you're you're in the UK.
Speaker 1: You were describing your life there and then your parents split.
Speaker 1: Your Mom's like, we're going to Maryland. Okay, So Maryland
Speaker 1: is the opposite of the UK. So what was again
Speaker 1: another repotting pulling you up by the roots? You're dangling
Speaker 1: in the air or where we go on, mom and
Speaker 1: you land in the soil there? What did how did
Speaker 1: you land in that? How did that feel?
Speaker 2: Obviously big culture shark, I mean.
Speaker 3: A level of diversity at least in the community that
Speaker 3: I was in that I hadn't experienced yet. But it
Speaker 3: was like super mixed that I was in Gaithersburg. It
Speaker 3: wasn't like, you know, I wasn't like in DC or
Speaker 3: something where it felt like predominantly black, But.
Speaker 2: It was like way more Black people than I.
Speaker 1: What did that feel like?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's only as it was exciting,
Speaker 3: and then it was like a freaking lesson in life.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the Black experience in America is
Speaker 3: so unique and the way that it has shaped the
Speaker 3: country and the people. You know, I have so much
Speaker 3: respect for the Black American community because to survive and
Speaker 3: thrive under such circumstances. And not to say that black
Speaker 3: peopleople aren't oppressed worldwide and the anti blacknessesn't exist worldwide,
Speaker 3: but I just think so interesting in America, where they
Speaker 3: don't have like a cultural touch point right of which
Speaker 3: they're in the majority, that they can sort of have
Speaker 3: ownership of their living in a country that they built
Speaker 3: that is also denying them any ownership to that or
Speaker 3: any belonging to that.
Speaker 2: And you know, all of the systems are.
Speaker 3: In try, all the systems are created so as to
Speaker 3: not let them be able to succeed, and it's just
Speaker 3: like it's so insane that yet and still so influential,
Speaker 3: so beautiful, so powerful and managing to thrive and survive,
Speaker 3: you know. So it was definitely, you know, it's it
Speaker 3: was definitely was It was heartbreaking it was. It was overwhelming,
Speaker 3: it was exciting. You know, it was a lesson, a
Speaker 3: lesson in black.
Speaker 1: I mean, you are so all. You speak your heart.
Speaker 1: You're a straight shooter. You don't try to mince words.
Speaker 1: You say exactly what's on your heart, which is such
Speaker 1: an awesome trait. And with that kind of trait, when
Speaker 1: you were thinking about what you wanted to do with
Speaker 1: your life, what was the first kind of career choice
Speaker 1: that came to you.
Speaker 2: I mean I was thought I was going to be
Speaker 2: a lawyer.
Speaker 1: Ah, that makes sense. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also, because my mom loves to tell the story whenever
Speaker 3: I would like, if my mom told me no for something,
Speaker 3: I would literally come back with like a dissertation of
Speaker 3: the reasons of why I was going to put together
Speaker 3: a convincing argument. And I mean this extended all the
Speaker 3: way through my schooling. Like my teachers used to call
Speaker 3: home to be like, can you please speak to your
Speaker 3: daughter about why it's okay for her to receive X Y.
Speaker 3: I said grade, because I'm like, if somebody gave me
Speaker 3: a grade that I didn't think that was the grade
Speaker 3: that I had earned, You're gonna have to do I'm
Speaker 3: gonna have to debate the book about why this is
Speaker 3: the grade that I should get.
Speaker 1: Okay, did your mom encourage your behavior? Did she try
Speaker 1: to say, honey, you got to listen to the teacher. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why you're believed in me.
Speaker 2: And she trusted in the wagon.
Speaker 3: She knew listen. She She's like, I've known her from
Speaker 3: the womb. I already know this girl. She's coming with
Speaker 3: this dissertation. That's why she deserved that grade. She deserved
Speaker 3: that grade.
Speaker 1: So you're it's a law school, you're thinking about being
Speaker 1: a lawyer, and then you obviously didn't go down that path.
Speaker 1: What what took you on another path? Why why did
Speaker 1: you end up in this industry? Well?
Speaker 2: A multitude of reasons in a way.
Speaker 3: Right, It's like there's so many I think sliding doors
Speaker 3: moments in everyone's life that lead them to something.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So the first thing was, you know, so when I
Speaker 3: went I thought it was going to be a lawyer.
Speaker 3: And obviously my intention was to be a way that
Speaker 3: makes a lot of money. But I think all layers
Speaker 3: make a lot of money. Personally, I've paid lawyers a
Speaker 3: lot of money. But so I was like, I'm going
Speaker 3: to be a corporate lawyer and so I went to
Speaker 3: university and studied finance with an English Lit minor, and
Speaker 3: I just I hated it, and I think it was
Speaker 3: also it was just more than just that, Like you know,
Speaker 3: it was I had had, you know, at the school
Speaker 3: that I wanted to go to.
Speaker 2: We couldn't afford to send me there, and I was
Speaker 2: carrying that heartbreak.
Speaker 3: And I just was like, you know, and I didn't
Speaker 3: really love like where I was, And you know, I
Speaker 3: was also going through my own just changes, seasonal changes
Speaker 3: of like coming to terms with who I was as
Speaker 3: a person and who I belt about that and who
Speaker 3: I wanted to be like as a human being, and
Speaker 3: how I sort of felt that I had been. I
Speaker 3: had spent all my years since I came to America
Speaker 3: sort of performing for people in order to survive being
Speaker 3: what was expected of me or what I needed to
Speaker 3: be in order to not be questioned or teased or
Speaker 3: an outcast. And I by the time I got to university,
Speaker 3: I kind of realized all this stuff I've been doing,
Speaker 3: Like I don't this person that I've created, I don't
Speaker 3: know who this person is or like this person, and
Speaker 3: I want to find out who I am and live
Speaker 3: as that person was.
Speaker 1: Making money super important, well, of course, okay, just checking
Speaker 1: people were motivated, I know.
Speaker 3: But you know what I mean, I feel like it's
Speaker 3: a key immigrant motivator and it's this America. You know,
Speaker 3: this is you know, if there's one country the word
Speaker 3: capitalism is truly singing and doing its thing, it's this
Speaker 3: one because there's literally there's relatively no caste system apathetic
Speaker 3: books because unlike in other places, I mean, people always
Speaker 3: ask me do I have family in Jamaica, and I'm
Speaker 3: always like, I really don't have any immediate family lift
Speaker 3: in Jamaica.
Speaker 2: Because my family was poor.
Speaker 3: And if you had any hopes of doing anything, making
Speaker 3: it in your life and not ending up with nothing,
Speaker 3: you had to get out of Jamaica because there's no
Speaker 3: it's very difficult to be born poor and become wealthy,
Speaker 3: as opposed to in this country, where it's like you know,
Speaker 3: that's the whole idea of the American.
Speaker 2: Dream, like you could be born a pope and become
Speaker 2: a prince. You know.
Speaker 3: So this idea of success financial success is very motivating
Speaker 3: I think for any immigrant and many person living in
Speaker 3: the country you know this is India that like I
Speaker 3: could you know, I could be successful.
Speaker 1: This is interesting. What you're saying is super interesting because
Speaker 1: you're right. All those things are right. And I have
Speaker 1: a question for you, since this podcast is called joy
Speaker 1: one oh one, if you were to swallow a truth
Speaker 1: pill and think about your relatives in Jamaica who are
Speaker 1: living the life that they were living and I don't
Speaker 1: know if you would describe it. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that was, but I'm wondering because there's there are a
Speaker 1: lot of studies that say if you make I don't
Speaker 1: know a certain amount of money, you're happy. If you
Speaker 1: make less, you're definitely unhappy, and if you make more,
Speaker 1: you're unhappy. If you make enough enough to provide and
Speaker 1: take care of and you know, do all the things
Speaker 1: you want, you're you're at your happiest and everything else
Speaker 1: is going to throw you. Do you think the most
Speaker 1: joyful people you know are the ones who've made it
Speaker 1: in terms of my family or yeah, or in general?
Speaker 1: And you could you could use your family as an example,
Speaker 1: or you could just use in general because you know
Speaker 1: so many people probably in both worlds, like we all do.
Speaker 1: But who's the most joyful of those groups?
Speaker 2: You know? It's like yes, and know.
Speaker 3: Do I think that the most trouble people are the
Speaker 3: ones that made it. I think that obviously. I mean,
Speaker 3: and you know, mo money, more problems, as they say,
Speaker 3: But you know, like right now, like in my family,
Speaker 3: like I'm sort of the person who has achieved design
Speaker 3: and I've lived success and that has enabled me to
Speaker 3: look after my family, and so in so many ways,
Speaker 3: it's like I feel so much joy because I can
Speaker 3: do that, and I'm I can you know what, success.
Speaker 3: The independence that success has afforded me is incredible and
Speaker 3: brings me so much joy. And the fact that I
Speaker 3: can look after the people because I.
Speaker 2: Love brings me so much joy when I look.
Speaker 3: At the world and I look at I mean, I
Speaker 3: know so many very successful people, and I got to
Speaker 3: say joy is.
Speaker 2: Not in abundance among them. But I also think it's
Speaker 2: because that's the trap, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like a part of this idea of success is
Speaker 3: centered around having things, and things do not bring joy,
Speaker 3: you know. So I find that the most joyful people
Speaker 3: are the ones who are surrounded by the ones that
Speaker 3: they love. Because when you're surrounded by your family and
Speaker 3: not just buy things, I find that that tends to
Speaker 3: bring more joy. But I also just find in general
Speaker 3: that Jamaicans tend to be the most joyful.
Speaker 2: People that I kidding my family, yes, you know, but.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, the trap is that like success
Speaker 3: is going to bring you happiness, but then what happens
Speaker 3: is you you you, you know, there's so many who
Speaker 3: have left Jamaica to come you know, abroad, to come
Speaker 3: afar and as they say, and end upon a hamster
Speaker 3: wheel of just working and working and working until you die,
Speaker 3: and there's no real joy in that, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people who.
Speaker 3: Their aim is to get back to Jamaica because with
Speaker 3: the success that they've made, that with whatever small amount
Speaker 3: of success that they've had abroad in Jamaica, they can
Speaker 3: live a happy life because they have enough to live
Speaker 3: off the land and to enjoy the land and to
Speaker 3: enjoy what is much more a lot more easy to
Speaker 3: deal with and live with and live inside of. I mean,
Speaker 3: just being in that on that island brings me joy
Speaker 3: and it's like it's a lot more I mean, the's
Speaker 3: the reason why it's saying is a Jamaica nice? It
Speaker 3: really is nice, and it's much nicer than being on
Speaker 3: the Hamster Wheel in America.
Speaker 2: I mean, I try to get this.
Speaker 3: I'm there at least once a year because I'm like,
Speaker 3: and when I'm there, everyone's like, oh, do you want this?
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't want to do nothing.
Speaker 3: And drink jelly water and go into this into and
Speaker 3: touch the water, the ocean, the sea, and just give thanks.
Speaker 1: You know, you said a word there that jumped out
Speaker 1: at me, and the word was enough. I think it's
Speaker 1: sort of like when's enough. What's enough, whether it's success
Speaker 1: or whether it's money, or whether it's fame, or whether
Speaker 1: it's and it's sort of like for many people, I
Speaker 1: think it's the itch they can't scratch because there's always
Speaker 1: something else. And you can call it ambition, which it is.
Speaker 1: I think ambition is great, but you also wonder about,
Speaker 1: you know, like the motivation part of it, because if
Speaker 1: you genuinely are happy when you open your eyes when
Speaker 1: nothing's happened, Like for me, it's like, I don't have
Speaker 1: an interview that day, I'm not nothing huge as I'm
Speaker 1: not going to the Olympics that day. Nothing's happening. I'm
Speaker 1: just waking up. My kids are in room one and
Speaker 1: right here they're seven and nine. There they are in
Speaker 1: their rooms. I've got I'm going to go for I'm
Speaker 1: going to have a t go for a walk. Like,
Speaker 1: if you have that piece of it, I feel like
Speaker 1: you've cracked the nut. Because I have friends who are like,
Speaker 1: what about the next You put a book out? When's
Speaker 1: your next one? How many times have you had a
Speaker 1: roll and they said, Jody, what are you doing next?
Speaker 1: You're like, I just got this. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm doing next, But everyone wants to know. You have
Speaker 1: a kid, When's you're next? That's what everyone wants to
Speaker 1: know about what's next. How do you stay yourself sort
Speaker 1: of in the present where you're not always thinking about
Speaker 1: the next role, the next audition, the next whatever.
Speaker 3: Gratitude, Yeah, because as I'm giving thanks for what is
Speaker 3: here and what has shown up for me, then I
Speaker 3: am staying present, you know, and I think that for me,
Speaker 3: it's the most important step in the process. You know,
Speaker 3: the finish line is always going to move because we
Speaker 3: expand and we grow and we change. You know, what
Speaker 3: I want wanted yesterday or last year is going to
Speaker 3: evolve this year and today, right because I'm not the
Speaker 3: same person I was yesterday. And last year, and every
Speaker 3: time that I expand the tent, I need more things
Speaker 3: to keep the tent running. But you know, I had
Speaker 3: somebody tell me a long long time ago when I
Speaker 3: first started, and I was in that conversation, you know,
Speaker 3: like the he asked me how I was doing. I
Speaker 3: was like, you know what, I'm doing well, but I
Speaker 3: want you know and he was like, the finish line
Speaker 3: is always going to move.
Speaker 2: You have to learn how to be in gratitude for
Speaker 2: this moment. And you know, I take that very.
Speaker 3: Seriously because I also think being in gratitude is also
Speaker 3: when you are thanking God, you're also acknowledging the blessing
Speaker 3: and inviting more.
Speaker 1: Hmm. I love that.
Speaker 3: So I'm always like, yes, thank you more of it,
Speaker 3: or please my three part mantra by the way, I
Speaker 3: say that.
Speaker 1: Again, Yes, thank you, thank you more of this.
Speaker 3: That is my that is my prayer always. I am
Speaker 3: always saying yes to what has shown up for me
Speaker 3: because I'm not trying to say no to go.
Speaker 1: It's so funny how doors open for you in weird ways.
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that Pharrell Williams saw you out
Speaker 1: one day and you were telling him about your life
Speaker 1: plans and he's like, no, no, you should be an
Speaker 1: actress or a model. I personally think whether or not
Speaker 1: you ran into Pharrell Williams on that crazy night, you
Speaker 1: would have still been exactly where you are, because you're fantastic. However,
Speaker 1: it was nice to have someone on the outside looking
Speaker 1: and say, wow, did you ever see yourself the way
Speaker 1: Pharrell described you? You know?
Speaker 2: Not really? You know?
Speaker 3: And so for me that moment was because it's like
Speaker 3: you know, and everybody always references that moment, which was
Speaker 3: a pivotal moment in my life.
Speaker 2: But it was pivotal not.
Speaker 3: Because of what it changed for me in a like
Speaker 3: exact like way, but what it changed to me, like
Speaker 3: in a spiritual way, because for me, I just felt
Speaker 3: like if a complete stranger can have this sort of
Speaker 3: enthusiasm and certainty about what they see for me, and
Speaker 3: why can I not take a chance on myself and
Speaker 3: believe in myself?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: I really I think I've always, even without knowing how
Speaker 3: to totally identify it, felt like it is important for
Speaker 3: me to be the strongest believer in myself. And he
Speaker 3: inspired me to believe in myself, you know, And that
Speaker 3: shifted everything because at the end of the day. There
Speaker 3: was a lot of ground between that moment and this one,
Speaker 3: and in that ground I had to do a lot
Speaker 3: of work, and if I didn't do the work, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be here, you know. But it motivated me to
Speaker 3: want to strive and to do it. I was like,
Speaker 3: I mean, because it was his enthusiasm was so contagious
Speaker 3: and inspiring, and it is for that which I am
Speaker 3: tonally grateful.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny. People are like Jodie turnersmith Man, She's
Speaker 1: like an overnight sensation. She just popped out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: You're like, I have been grinding. Hello, what didn't people see?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: I feel like everybody who really knows me knows how
Speaker 3: hot I've worked, you know, I, as I said from
Speaker 3: the I've always been to show your work kind of good, right.
Speaker 3: But I think people who don't know me and who
Speaker 3: are just meeting me and who have sort of or
Speaker 3: started to meet me at these moments that I you know,
Speaker 3: what they didn't see was.
Speaker 2: How much.
Speaker 3: I approach everything as somebody who is here to learn
Speaker 3: and thus is not afraid to work, Like I don't
Speaker 3: walk into anything as like I'm an expert, Like I
Speaker 3: got this. I walk into everything like I am Bambi.
Speaker 3: The world is my oyster.
Speaker 2: I'm here to learn. I'm ready to learn. I'm so
Speaker 2: open to all of the knowledge and I want it all.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Of course people don't see all the tears and all
Speaker 3: the hours and all the you know you were talking
Speaker 3: about earlier, the negative side of things. I mean, so
Speaker 3: much self doubt that I have that I've done so
Speaker 3: much work on. Like, that's another thing that I do
Speaker 3: a lot of work on, you know, just a constant
Speaker 3: process of just like really not allowing the inner critic
Speaker 3: to let me be paralyzed, right, because that is something
Speaker 3: that is I can be sometimes I can get paralyzed
Speaker 3: because I'm just I want to come up with.
Speaker 2: The best plan, but I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2: And it's like instead of just.
Speaker 3: Being in the flow and just not being afraid to,
Speaker 3: you know, roll up my sleeves and just try and
Speaker 3: be embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny the number of people who talk
Speaker 1: about imposter syndrome. I don't know if that's what you're
Speaker 1: hitting on, but I interviewed to Audra McDonald, who's won
Speaker 1: I think five tonys, who two counts anyway she goes,
Speaker 1: you know, I have imposter syndrome. I was, I asked he,
Speaker 1: I said, how many tonies do you need before you
Speaker 1: stop having that? Like these are Jodie Foster like some
Speaker 1: of these kind of older actors and actresses, And it
Speaker 1: goes all the way to now, these are people who
Speaker 1: are established, who we've applauded, who've received the highest accolades.
Speaker 1: Still somehow feel inside, huh, I wonder if I'm enough here.
Speaker 3: Because there's no amount of outer affirmation, acknowledgment, hardware in
Speaker 3: terms of awards that can quiet the inner critic. And
Speaker 3: that's why the work is in the self. Love is
Speaker 3: in the you really believing in you, you know, because
Speaker 3: all that ends up happening is it's just like the
Speaker 3: pursuit of success and money, you are constantly going to
Speaker 3: be there will never be enough that will fill the hole.
Speaker 2: You know, there will never be enough. It's you.
Speaker 3: You got to love you, You got to show up
Speaker 3: for you, you gotta and so you know, it's I mean,
Speaker 3: it's difficult, but for me it's like and you're you know,
Speaker 3: and you're always going to feel like that was dumb,
Speaker 3: that was stupid, Like it's not good, you know, And
Speaker 3: and there's always going to be people, especially now social media,
Speaker 3: who are going to comment sate that was.
Speaker 2: Dumb, that was stupid, that's not good.
Speaker 1: So what do you do with that?
Speaker 2: How do you feel about yourself? What do you so?
Speaker 1: Give me something practical, because I was imagining listening to
Speaker 1: this as I'm driving my car saying, yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: those things. Because it doesn't matter where you get your
Speaker 1: critic where the criticism comes from. You could be famous,
Speaker 1: or you could be just someone in your community and
Speaker 1: seeing that someone has said something or someone on social
Speaker 1: media mentioned something about it, how do you process? Like,
Speaker 1: what do you do? What's your fit? What do you
Speaker 1: actually do? You know?
Speaker 3: Something that I have been trying to do, definitely within
Speaker 3: the last five years, six years is disconnect from commentary.
Speaker 3: That's helpful because the commentary ends up being really poisonous
Speaker 3: it's not actually helpful, you know, And just really work
Speaker 3: on myself. I'm reading the books, I'm doing the I'm
Speaker 3: not a big meditator, I'm not kind quiet the mind
Speaker 3: long enough, but.
Speaker 2: Self care is one way that for me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I think sometimes we can't always
Speaker 3: intellectualize our way through things. Sometimes we just need to
Speaker 3: let our physical body lead it. And even the smallest
Speaker 3: things an act of self love can support you in
Speaker 3: having mental self love. And so I just and I'm
Speaker 3: very careful about my language, how I talk about myself
Speaker 3: and how I talk about others, you know, that supports
Speaker 3: it too, you know. And I stay positive towards other people,
Speaker 3: you know, And it's like for me, I'm like, if
Speaker 3: I keep my mental space in the light, it will
Speaker 3: support me in pushing out the darkness.
Speaker 2: And also just like really doing what I can.
Speaker 3: You know, I have therapy, you know, to not take
Speaker 3: myself so seriously that I get stuck.
Speaker 2: So it's okay to be flawed. Now what am I
Speaker 2: going to do about it? Well? How am I learning?
Speaker 1: How am I growing such good lessons?
Speaker 3: Not just for you?
Speaker 1: And those are but I was just thinking about your daughter,
Speaker 1: who's six, to even witness that when you said I
Speaker 1: worry about how I mean, I pay attention to how
Speaker 1: I talk to myself because kids do see, no matter
Speaker 1: what it is, if you say you hate your hair,
Speaker 1: your kids are going to go oh or oh God,
Speaker 1: are these tight? Your kids are going to go oh.
Speaker 1: Like you may not even be intentionally saying anything. However,
Speaker 1: it is what it looks like to them. So when
Speaker 1: raising your your little girl, like, how do you raise
Speaker 1: a powerful, strong kid?
Speaker 2: Do you think with intention? Do nothing with intention?
Speaker 3: And you know, thankfully, I think with my personality and
Speaker 3: how I am as I said, I've been preparing for
Speaker 3: this my whole life.
Speaker 2: So I am one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm paying attention to everything, and I'm being
Speaker 3: very mindful about how I speak about myself and how
Speaker 3: I speak to her, and how I allow other people
Speaker 3: to speak to me and to her or about themselves
Speaker 3: in front of her. You know, I'm like I be
Speaker 3: on people.
Speaker 2: You know, my mom everybody, She's like, leave me.
Speaker 1: Alone, don't say that.
Speaker 3: Language the super language. And I'm also I'm always going
Speaker 3: to be like, here's a suggestion for language.
Speaker 1: I'm not just being like ah, I'm like, mom helped
Speaker 1: me out here. What's it like raising your daughter with
Speaker 1: your mom? What's that like?
Speaker 2: I'm so lucky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a blessing.
Speaker 2: It's a blessing. And I have like a she mothers
Speaker 2: everybody in my village. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: My friends, most of my friends talk more to my
Speaker 2: mom than.
Speaker 1: They talk to me, why does she give great advice.
Speaker 3: Relationship with their own ladship with her, she just becomes
Speaker 3: everybody's mother, you know. And so it's like that's the
Speaker 3: kind of moment that I have with me. You know,
Speaker 3: she's really helped me. She's on one of those grandma's
Speaker 3: who's like, I already raise kids.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing this.
Speaker 3: You know, she's there like having my back, and it's
Speaker 3: so inspiring because it inspires me to step up, you know,
Speaker 3: because it's so easy, especially with you.
Speaker 2: Know, I'm so busy. I have some much stuff going on.
Speaker 3: But again, thank god, that's happy personally that I have,
Speaker 3: because you know, that's always been my way. It's like, yes,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to achieve all of these things, but when
Speaker 3: I chose to become mother, I chose that with all
Speaker 3: of me, and so I am also mothering. I'm not
Speaker 3: that mother who's like, you know, I need a break
Speaker 3: from my kid. I don't want to do you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Is it hard? Is it exhausting?
Speaker 3: Absolute? And sometimes like okay, you know what, let's both
Speaker 3: walk away right now and just take a little space
Speaker 3: from each other. Of course we're humans, but like I'm
Speaker 3: all over it, you know, it's why, It's why I
Speaker 3: have my mom instead of having nanny.
Speaker 2: It's like it's kind of hard to have nanny sometimes
Speaker 2: because nanny cultures so like they want to raise you.
Speaker 2: They used to they raise the kid. Yeah, like I'm
Speaker 2: more of a mummy's help but kind of good, and
Speaker 2: I have one in my mom.
Speaker 1: Something strange happened to me with not strange, but something
Speaker 1: made me uncomfortable. Happen with my kids the other day.
Speaker 1: So we were it was the first grade kind of
Speaker 1: sleepover with moms and kids. And I'm not with my partner.
Speaker 1: He's not with us, but he is. He comes in
Speaker 1: visits and everything's great. But they did say to my daughter,
Speaker 1: why isn't your dad around? And I remember, I froze.
Speaker 1: I did, actually didn't. I hadn't seen that. And she said, well,
Speaker 1: my dad, you know, and he's a lovely guy, you know,
Speaker 1: all these great things. But he, I said, he lives
Speaker 1: some else, but he comes. He's coming for a Father's day.
Speaker 1: She was trying to say all these things, and I
Speaker 1: asked her after if it made her feel uncomfortable or whatever,
Speaker 1: and she kind of brushed it off and said no.
Speaker 1: And I just went on with it. So I'm not
Speaker 1: going to give her more info than she needs, but
Speaker 1: you can feel free to answer it or not. But
Speaker 1: is there have you had? How do you handle that
Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle because it's actually it's part of
Speaker 1: my kids' lives and it's part of your daughter's life too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's definitely been one of those things
Speaker 3: that is, you know, so I'm a child of divorce myself,
Speaker 3: and you know, and so is my ex husband, you know,
Speaker 3: and so it's like it's always been important to think about, Okay,
Speaker 3: what is the language around which we are going to
Speaker 3: talk about this with our daughter because it is her
Speaker 3: new reality, you know, and we're learning as well and
Speaker 3: not always getting it totally right. But the idea is
Speaker 3: always two homes filled with love, you know. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm like, you got two houses, girls, That's.
Speaker 1: Why that's that's a nice way to put it. You know.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like it's just you got two houses,
Speaker 3: and but you know, it's it's it's one of those things.
Speaker 3: It's like it's so, you know, because my daughter was
Speaker 3: quite young when when I split with her dad, and
Speaker 3: and so it's like it's always you know, for me,
Speaker 3: less difficult what I'm what she's experiencing from other people,
Speaker 3: and more difficult just navigating the conversation with her.
Speaker 2: That's like, you know, why why is this happening?
Speaker 3: M And it's like you got to walk this line
Speaker 3: between obviously being age appropriate and child centered in the
Speaker 3: way that you talk about it, but also keeping it
Speaker 3: real so that she has an understanding of what this means.
Speaker 3: And honestly, my favorite tool in all of this has
Speaker 3: been my favorite tool for life books.
Speaker 1: Oh so just seeing yourself in another So many.
Speaker 3: Books about divorce, about what that means, you know, about
Speaker 3: what that new world is, about what is what is
Speaker 3: supposed to be happening, what's not supposed to be happening?
Speaker 3: You know, books have children's books have been helpful as well.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, that is that That's such a great way.
Speaker 1: And I was going to say, like, every family is unique,
Speaker 1: and families come in so many ways, and I say
Speaker 1: that to my kids all the time. You know, there
Speaker 1: are so many different kinds of families. I said, your
Speaker 1: mom loves you, your dad loves you, We love you,
Speaker 1: you know, And so whether I think I think the
Speaker 1: world is just different than it was, and I think
Speaker 1: I just try to normalize it too. It's like, this
Speaker 1: is how life goes. We're having a beautiful Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: you're going skiing, You're gonna go meet dad. Yay. You know,
Speaker 1: everything is everything. I like that two houses full of love.
Speaker 1: What brings you the most joy in your life? Right now?
Speaker 2: My daughter.
Speaker 1: It is, you know.
Speaker 3: So she's six now, and you know, it's like it's
Speaker 3: so interesting like all the different changes that kids go through,
Speaker 3: and at every stage, I feel like someone's like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is the best stage.
Speaker 2: This is the best stage.
Speaker 3: But there's something so interesting about five and six where
Speaker 3: it's like because my daughter, and you know, everyone also says,
Speaker 3: you know, the days are long, but the years are short,
Speaker 3: and like, you know, it's it goes so fast. But
Speaker 3: I am so enjoying watching her grow because it's like
Speaker 3: we just get to hanging out with us is so amazing.
Speaker 3: Like she really is my little, tiny best friend. Like
Speaker 3: I love some of our conversations that we have. No
Speaker 3: she gonna cry, it's just that I'm just like, I'm
Speaker 3: so amazed by her.
Speaker 1: What does she say?
Speaker 3: It's just I mean, just even like anything, like any
Speaker 3: opinion that she has on something, the questions that she asks,
Speaker 3: her little sassy attitude.
Speaker 2: You know, I you know, I made to for her
Speaker 2: sixth birthday.
Speaker 3: You know, I threw a big party, but I also
Speaker 3: redid her bedroom and she's she says that when she
Speaker 3: grows up, she wants to be a jungle girl, and
Speaker 3: she's a wild girl. So I decided to design her
Speaker 3: room with all of these plants hanging from the ceiling.
Speaker 3: And I was like thinking to myself, because she's got
Speaker 3: very high ceilings.
Speaker 2: In her room. I was like, how can I design
Speaker 2: this so that like the plants are hanging, but like
Speaker 2: I can get to them. And I put them all.
Speaker 3: These protractable parts and hangers, and then we had found
Speaker 3: together these like disco balls, these mirable planters, and we
Speaker 3: had the two of them and she's and it was
Speaker 3: this amazing thing where I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: because she's where her room is in the house. When
Speaker 3: the sun is coming down, it's shining in the windows.
Speaker 3: And so I then I got this idea, and I
Speaker 3: got all these prisons and mirror balls that I also
Speaker 3: hung from the ceiling. And she's also got that these
Speaker 3: hot air boss and so she's like it's fall plast
Speaker 3: and I did this like Ivy Planter, Like I planted
Speaker 3: Ivy like on the side. If I just got this
Speaker 3: unbelie with like a reading book underneath it, and because
Speaker 3: I'm so I'm trailing the high and then she's got
Speaker 3: this big vinca plant that's like right in front of
Speaker 3: the bed, so like all the.
Speaker 2: Lines hang down in front of her reading nook. And
Speaker 2: it's just like when it's magic. How it is.
Speaker 1: By the way, can I just say that it's such
Speaker 1: a beautiful wow? Okay, I cannot believe the Agency is.
Speaker 1: I can believe that this is. I'm bringing this up
Speaker 1: now at this point in the interview because you're so
Speaker 1: fascinating on so many levels that all of your roles
Speaker 1: are like, oh yeah, that too. But the Agency season two.
Speaker 3: Well, so you know, at the end of season one,
Speaker 3: if we didn't know what Samya's fate was going to
Speaker 3: be in you can see from some of these trailers
Speaker 3: that have come out, Samya is in captivity, which is
Speaker 3: such a life changing and I wanted to say a
Speaker 3: word that I won't say on this has messed up
Speaker 3: situation to be in, you know, And so it's like
Speaker 3: there is you know, we're really finding for her like
Speaker 3: some season two of the agencies. I feel like season
Speaker 3: one was a little bit more of a slow ban, right.
Speaker 3: It was like, you know, introducing this kind of world
Speaker 3: an idea, and we're like and also people were like,
Speaker 3: what's going on with Samya?
Speaker 2: Like fy that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: But season two, I think is like immediately, it's immediately
Speaker 3: just like balls to the wall like action that everything
Speaker 3: that the stakes have gone from seventy five to one thousand,
Speaker 3: and here's Martian Weaving continued to weave this tangled web
Speaker 3: so that undo the damage that he has done to
Speaker 3: this woman.
Speaker 1: I can't believe how I mean not to mention. I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of actors when they play a role
Speaker 1: like Samya, they would play the role. But you're like
Speaker 1: you you are so immersed in her, I mean from
Speaker 1: the language from I mean, did you insist on speaking Arabic?
Speaker 1: Was that learning it? Or did you could have just
Speaker 1: memorized and gone on.
Speaker 3: But you you know, the funny thing is so in
Speaker 3: season one, you know, we had some scenes in Arabic
Speaker 3: and then you know, we were like the actors as
Speaker 3: we were like, it doesn't make sense that this scene
Speaker 3: would be in English.
Speaker 2: Like if we're if I'm doing a scene and it's
Speaker 2: Samya and Osman.
Speaker 3: And Dalaga, It's like, there's no reason why if it's
Speaker 3: just us and we're alone, we would be speaking. So
Speaker 3: we were actually like always pushing from scenes in all
Speaker 3: in Arabic because we felt like that would be authentic
Speaker 3: and we really wanted to. You know, I think this
Speaker 3: is for me, this is the first time I've watched
Speaker 3: on a show where they really are investing in us
Speaker 3: being able to authentically as authentically as possible play these characters.
Speaker 3: You know, I've done so many roles where I was
Speaker 3: meant to have an accent or speaking of the language,
Speaker 3: and it was on me to find a dialect coach
Speaker 3: or somebody so that this could be done well, you know,
Speaker 3: and I mean we have.
Speaker 2: You know, we've got an incredible Arabic.
Speaker 3: Scholar actually, kalent Abnama, who not only works with me
Speaker 3: doing Arabic Arabic lessons, but then we do our sessions
Speaker 3: as well, obviously for the scenes and the scene work,
Speaker 3: and then he's on set with us, but we are
Speaker 3: you know, It's as I've said, I've never been afraid
Speaker 3: of working hard, and I love this show.
Speaker 2: I love this character.
Speaker 3: You know, this journey that she's on is so intense
Speaker 3: and heartbreaking, not just because like how far she's fallen.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's an intellect and she has fallen so
Speaker 2: low because she chose to love the wrong man and
Speaker 2: woman is not always okay, so sad about that, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Okay, I need to correct something you said in the beginning.
Speaker 1: You said, quote, I'm a procrastinator. That's what you said. Okay,
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm going to tell you that's not true,
Speaker 1: because after everything I've heard during this discussion, there's no
Speaker 1: way on God's green earth that you could have gone
Speaker 1: from where you were to where you are without doing
Speaker 1: exactly what you said you do, which is you write
Speaker 1: it down. You have your list. Where's your notepad? Que
Speaker 1: the notepad? Again? I mean, this is what you do.
Speaker 1: So I maybe you describe yourself that way, but of
Speaker 1: all the things to take off the list, I'm going
Speaker 1: to ask you to scratch that one because that is
Speaker 1: not you at all.
Speaker 3: I don't hear way, but but I definitely I pick
Speaker 3: my moments definitely. And the thing is, I'm just such
Speaker 3: a hard worker.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you can't be both. You can't be a
Speaker 1: procrastinate and a hard worker. Sorry, if you're playing candy crush.
Speaker 2: And then I just don't sleep to get all the
Speaker 2: work done.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, girl, Well look let me tell
Speaker 1: you something. I'm not going to ask you what you're
Speaker 1: going to do next, because I want to be right
Speaker 1: where we are. So I want to say thank you.
Speaker 1: You're an awesome interview. Thanks for coming on the podcast. Honey,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. All right, love to your sweet daughter.
Speaker 1: You got it, Take care. Okay. Jody is awesome, and
Speaker 1: I also like just her depth of thinking she's got.
Speaker 1: She just has a good handle on things. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times when people have been
Speaker 1: to Hollywood and done all these great things, their perspective changes.
Speaker 1: She just seems like sort of girl next door, someone
Speaker 1: who you'd want to good hang with, someone who is
Speaker 1: trying to improve herself all the time. I just I
Speaker 1: think she's got all the beats, and I just love
Speaker 1: her take on life. I hope you guys did too. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, I love myself. A poem. Here's one, and
Speaker 1: this kind of reminded me of Jody. It's called The
Speaker 1: Little Things you know, life isn't about all the Emmys,
Speaker 1: the Grammys, the whatever. It's about stuff that happens on normal,
Speaker 1: everyday bits and pieces. So here we go, the little things.
Speaker 1: The little things carry you a glance that lingers, a smile,
Speaker 1: like sunlight spilling through the curtains, a text that said,
Speaker 1: I heard a song that reminded me of you. When
Speaker 1: the night feels endless and stillness sinks into your bones,
Speaker 1: even a whisper of light can hold you, even a
Speaker 1: tiny can remind you that you're alive. It's always been
Speaker 1: the small gestures, the soft ones, the fleeting ones that
Speaker 1: echo the loudest. The little things are not little. They
Speaker 1: are everything that poems entitled the little Things. Thanks for listening, guys,