1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 1: This is the final installment of the Combine Conversation podcast 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: series here on the Colts Audio Network. 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning in and. 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm Matt Taylor and all week long we were set 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: up on Radio Row at the twenty twenty five NFL 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: Combine gathering great interviews and getting perspectives from some of 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: the biggest names that cover the NFL and the NFL Draft. 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 2: And today we have two more top dogs for you 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: to hear from. 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: Dane Brugler is the NFL Draft analyst from The Athletic 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: and one of the most respected and hardest working NFL 12 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: draftnicks in the business, and the same could be said 13 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: for Matt Miller, who covers the NFL Draft for ESPN 14 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: and ESPN dot Com. So myself and Jeffrey Gorman chatted 15 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: with Brugler at the Combine earlier this week, and Casey 16 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: Valier also joined me for a sit down with Miller 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: on Radio Row as well, and they both chatted with 18 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: us regarding the biggest positional groups of need for the Colts, 19 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: the top prospects who could still be on the board 20 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: when the Colts drafted fourteenth overall, and why this draft 21 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: is unique in that it's gonna bolster a lot of 22 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: teams in the trenches on both sides of the line 23 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. 24 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: So let's get it going. 25 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: We begin with Dane Brugler from the Athletic, who's always 26 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: gracious with this time at the NFL Combine. 27 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 3: We're here at the twenty twenty five NFL Combine downtown Indianapolis. 28 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 3: Time to find out about some prospects and what's going 29 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: on in the upcoming draft after this combine. 30 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 4: We do that. 31 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: From the Athletic, Dane Brugler covers the NFL and specifically 32 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 3: this NFL draft. Let's look at the thirty two picks, 33 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: the thirty two teams, if you will. I love asking 34 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: experts like you, how many real true first rounders do 35 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 3: you think are in this year's draft. 36 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 5: I think it's it's not a high number. I think 37 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 5: it's more like a dozen. Really twelve, Yeah, I mean 38 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 5: it's and every team's going to differ a little bit 39 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 5: on that, but true blue chip, all right, these are 40 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 5: first round guys. I think most years you have, you know, eighteen, 41 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 5: maybe a few more. This year, I think it's the 42 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 5: number smaller, so I think it's closer to a dozen. 43 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 5: But like I said, I think teams might differ a 44 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 5: little bit, but I don't think it's gonna be very 45 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 5: high for most teams. 46 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 3: Daining this offense in Indianapolis. Obviously it starts at the 47 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 3: quarterback position with any offense, but last year not a 48 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: lot of productivity out of the tight end room. And 49 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 3: you have said in the past, in the last couple 50 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 3: of days, just reading what you've been following, is this 51 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 3: tight end group that's coming out flow it's a big one. 52 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 3: How many first rounders do you see for starters. 53 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 5: Tyler Warren from Penn State and Colson Lovelan from Michigan. 54 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 5: I think, and I don't even think it's a debate 55 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 5: about who's tight end one. It's just a preference. If 56 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 5: you want the upside guy, Colson Lovelan is for you. 57 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 5: I mean, he's a little more of a hybrid tight 58 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 5: end where you're gonna line him up out wide, you're 59 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 5: gonna put him a slot, You're gonna do these different 60 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 5: things with him. You know, think about how the Raiders 61 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 5: used brock Bowers last year. You know you're gonna be 62 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 5: creative with how you use the athleticism in the past 63 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 5: catching skills that Colson Lovelin has offer. Tyler Warren's more 64 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 5: of He's not a true, you know, a wide tight end, 65 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 5: but he's more of that prototypical hand. 66 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 6: In the ground, inline guy. 67 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 5: And I don't want to make it sound like he's 68 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 5: not a good athlete, because he is. He's two hundred 69 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 5: and fifty five pounds. He should run in the four sixes. 70 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 5: He should test really well. And you know, being a 71 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 5: former quarterback, he just he has such a natural feel 72 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 5: for the passing game and you know, he's not going 73 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 5: to create a ton of separation, but he wins the 74 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 5: catch point. And I love the physicality that he plays 75 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 5: with him It's in his blood. His dad was a 76 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 5: safety at Richmond and nicknamed the Hitman. Like it's in 77 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 5: his blood that he likes to play physical. And so 78 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 5: the argument to not draft one of those guys is 79 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 5: because second round, third round, there's yeah, you know, I'm 80 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 5: a big fan of you know, whether it's Taylor from 81 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 5: LSU or Royo from Miami. I really like Gunner Helm 82 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 5: from Texas. I think he'd be a perfect cult second 83 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 5: round pick if they went a different direction in the 84 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 5: first round. So if they want to come away from 85 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 5: this draft of the tight end, They're gonna have plenty 86 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 5: of options. 87 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: What about the concept of drafting a tight end of 88 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: the first round as it relates to grades of other positions, right, 89 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: is it a better idea to draft either of those 90 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: two guys Lovelin or Tyler Warren or the second or 91 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: third best defensive tackle, if you will. 92 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 5: And that's where, Yeah, we're getting into philosophy of drafting, 93 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 5: and there's so many different ways of looking at it. 94 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 5: You know, like we're talking a lot about running backs 95 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 5: and like how early do you draft a running back? 96 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 5: It's a similar thing with tight end. I think for 97 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 5: some the makeup of the roster. For some teams, it 98 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 5: won't make as much sense to invest a first round 99 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 5: pick in that position. 100 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 6: But I think for a. 101 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 5: Team like the Colts, where you need to figure out 102 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 5: what's going on. 103 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: Quarterbacks trying to support that position exactly. 104 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 5: You need and it's something where you don't want to 105 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 5: make a draft pick just for twenty twenty five. Yeah, 106 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 5: but you know that has to factor in a little bit. 107 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 5: You know, you understanding, Okay, what's Anthony Richardson? Is he 108 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 5: the future? How are we gonna help him take that 109 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 5: next step as a quarterback? So I think for a 110 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 5: team like the Colts, it makes sense to invest in 111 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 5: that position. 112 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 6: Early if the pick is worth it. 113 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 5: And like I said, maybe let's just say the Colts 114 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 5: have twelve first round grade. I think there's a good 115 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 5: chance those two tight ends could be two of those 116 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 5: first round grades, And if one of them is available 117 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 5: at fourteen, I think it becomes a lot easier because 118 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 5: he might be the only four or first round grade 119 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 5: still left on the board at that point. 120 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: Which of those guys has a better chance to be 121 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: there at fourteen in the middle of the draft. 122 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's tough to say, because I think that teams 123 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 5: are kind of split on you know. I do think 124 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 5: Tyler Warren's probably just because we've seen him do it 125 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 5: more where Colston Levelin has been banged up. I just 126 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 5: saw him at the podium his arms still in a sling, 127 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 5: you know, as he works his way back from that 128 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 5: shoulder injury. There's no doubt Colston Leveland has the more upside. 129 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 5: But for a team like the Colts, and for a 130 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 5: lot of these other teams drafting a guy that just 131 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 5: have a better idea of who he is, you know 132 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 5: what you can do with him, especially from day one 133 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,679 Speaker 5: because it's he's ready to mete out of the box, 134 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 5: no batteries required, you know, he just opened the box assembly. 135 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: With him exactly. 136 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 5: So yeah, I think that if I was a betting man, 137 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 5: I'd say Tyler Warren's probably the favorite to be the 138 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 5: first tight end drafted, but wouldn't be surprised at all 139 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 5: if Loveland ends up going first. 140 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: You know, despite the collective results on the defensive side 141 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: of the ball, the Colts feel like they're close. They've 142 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: got some playmakers and all three levels of the defense. 143 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: Lou Ana Rumo's there now is the defensive coordinator. What 144 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: do you peg as the biggest defensive need or biggest 145 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: defensive tweak the Colts can make by drafting a guy 146 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: high in this draft, whether that's first round or Day two. 147 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, you know, looking at the secondary, I 148 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 5: think corner or safety. I think we could see them 149 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 5: make a splash, and relative to most years, I don't 150 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 5: think it's the deepest cornerback group. Usually there's so many 151 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 5: athletes at receiver and corner that we have just a 152 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 5: high volume of those guys. 153 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 6: This year, it's kind of the opposite. 154 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 5: Where receivers not super deep corners, okay, but not to 155 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 5: the level of we've seen in some past years. A 156 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 5: guy that you know, thinking about day two, Shavon Ravel 157 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 5: from East Carolina. I love that fit with I mean, 158 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 5: first of all, size, length, speed. Unfortunately won't be able 159 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,119 Speaker 5: to show it here because of the ACL. I actually 160 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 5: have a feature on The Athletic that just posted today 161 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 5: about Chavon's story, and it's just tremendous. 162 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 6: He was in a. 163 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 5: Bad car accident in high school, worked his way back 164 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 5: from that Amazon. It worked at Amazon, that's right, because 165 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 5: he didn't have the grades, and he takes accountability. He said, 166 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 5: I didn't work hard enough in high school and I 167 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 5: was all about ball and I didn't work hard enough 168 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 5: of my grades. So he goes to Juco and then 169 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 5: Covid knocks out the season and so he's, you know, 170 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 5: in order to stay busy, make ends meet, gets a 171 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 5: job at Amazon whether his dad was working, but he 172 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 5: still stayed true to the dream and his dad signed 173 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 5: them up for an ECU East Carolina prospect camp. And 174 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 5: so after Chavon worked a he was like a six 175 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 5: pm to four am shift, so ten hour overnight shift, 176 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 5: and then he waited in the car for his dad 177 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 5: to finish his shift, went home in ad breakfast, and 178 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 5: then they drove to Greenville for the camp and he 179 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 5: ran a four to four to zero flat thirty nine 180 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 5: inch for eleven the broad and the into Chavon's dad 181 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 5: and he said, because he was standing sitting in the 182 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 5: bleachers watching, he said, after he ran the forty, the coach, 183 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 5: there was a coach that just ran down to kind 184 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 5: of just show him the time. And you know, he 185 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 5: was jacked up, and they told him, you know, go 186 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 5: back to Juco, get your GPA up to I think 187 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 5: got two point six. 188 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 6: And he did it. 189 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 5: He did his part of the bargain and he had 190 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 5: a breakout twenty twenty three season. And you know, another reminder, 191 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 5: life's not fair. I mean he Alabama wanted him, LSU 192 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 5: wanted him. He they were well into six figures. I 193 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 5: mean we're talking almost half a million dollars. He stayed 194 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 5: loyal to ECU and had the ACL three weeks into 195 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 5: the year and it's just like that's that's brutal. And 196 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 5: so but if you know, teams, when they talk to players, 197 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 5: they want to know what adversities have you had to face? 198 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 5: Chavn's face at all, there's no doubt he has got 199 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 5: the mental toughness to do it. And when you factor 200 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 5: in the size, the length of speed, Yeah, I think 201 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 5: somewhere on somewhere in the second round a team's going 202 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 5: to get a first round player who has a discount 203 00:08:59,000 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 5: sticker on him. 204 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 6: But I think it'll work out pretty well. 205 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 3: We'll keep our eye on that young man. I wanted 206 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 3: to ask you about who you're excited about watch test 207 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 3: out here, whether it's physical specimen, whether it's length, whether 208 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 3: it's how high they jump, whatever. Who are some of 209 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 3: the guys that you're saying, Hey, obviously they're going to 210 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 3: affect their wallet a little bit the way that they 211 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: perform out here on the turf. 212 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 5: Nick Emman, worry the safety from South Carolina can't wait 213 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 5: for that. I mean, he's legit six two and a 214 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 5: half two hundred and twenty five pounds and he can fly. 215 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 5: The jump should be tremendous, should be over forty inches 216 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 5: fifteen guy, we'll see. I think you know, because teams 217 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 5: have to understand, Okay, what is he? Is he a safety? Linebacker? Hybrid? 218 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 6: Is he Can we play him as a post? 219 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 5: Can we play him as a single high like they 220 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 5: have to figure out what's the best spot for him. So, like, 221 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 5: the traits are phenomenal, but understanding how does that translate 222 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 5: to the field. That's kind of like where teams are 223 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 5: stuck right now, trying to figure that part out. But 224 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 5: the talent says the first round pick, So if you 225 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 5: went top fifteen, wouldn't be shocked at all. So he's 226 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 5: definitely one of them. And then a lot of these 227 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 5: guys in the front seven. You know, I want to 228 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:09,119 Speaker 5: see Jehi Campbell from the linebacker from Alabama. He's tremendous. 229 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 5: Can't wait to see how he tests. He should be 230 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 5: a certified freak. So it's a really good year for 231 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 5: the front seven guys, and I think a lot of 232 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,359 Speaker 5: them will show out here in India. 233 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 3: All right, Dane, You know Chris Pallard, you know what 234 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 3: the way that he's been drafting, but who knows what 235 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 3: that philosophy looks like this year really, I mean, you know, 236 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: he likes to move back and collect picks. If that's 237 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 3: the case the middle of this draft your late second, 238 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 3: your third, and heavy forward and stuff, and Chris likes 239 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 3: to draft those guys Day two, Day three, guys in 240 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 3: there that come in and make a difference on Sundays. 241 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 3: Is this the draft that we're going to find potential 242 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 3: starters when you're talking about late second into the third 243 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 3: and fourth. 244 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 6: It certainly can. 245 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 5: It depends on the position, right, Some positions are deeper 246 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 5: than others this year. I certainly think you can do 247 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 5: that tight end. I think you could do that. At 248 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 5: running back, I think you could do that. Probably a corner. 249 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 5: There's enough athletes in this draft that I think you 250 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 5: feel like you can find some guys at corner. 251 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 6: So certain positions will. 252 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 5: Stretch, and you know, it's it's it's always interesting when 253 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 5: you know, because I've known Chris for you know, going 254 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 5: really came to City Days is when I first met 255 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 5: Chris and we started our you know, relationship. And it's 256 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 5: interesting that you know, when you're in a position for 257 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 5: as long as Chris has been here in Indianapolis, and 258 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 5: you know, you have your core philosophies, but then you 259 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 5: also grow, you know, you also adapt to certain things. 260 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 6: So I'm interested to see. 261 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 5: I'm always interested how how Chris drafts because it's you know, 262 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 5: maybe every year you you change just a little bit 263 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 5: about how you think about how you look at things. 264 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 5: How you your philosophies and certain positions, and so it's 265 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 5: really interesting to see how they're going to attack this 266 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 5: year where you're just you're not promised twenty twenty six, 267 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 5: you know, and so you don't want to go all 268 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 5: in on this year or anything like that. But at 269 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 5: the same time, you want to make sure you're helping 270 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 5: for the here and now, and so I know Chris 271 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 5: is very cognizant of that. 272 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: Speaking of Chris, do you think this is the year 273 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: the call seem to continue to attack and stay offensive Lineman, 274 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: knowing that they could potentially lose a couple with some 275 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: uncertainties with Braden Smith's rights or some free agents in 276 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: house that they have to deal with as well, is 277 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: this year to continue to stockpile like he likes to do. 278 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, there's no such thing as a team 279 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 5: that feels like they're totally set on the depth of 280 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 5: the offensive line, you know, and just look at the 281 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 5: Super Bowl and what happened with the Chiefs. You know, 282 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 5: There's no such thing as feeling everybody needs it exactly. 283 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 5: I mean, you just load up on those positions, even 284 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 5: if they're developmental guys that you know, you feel like 285 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 5: you can turn into something. This is we think about 286 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 5: what they got out of Bernard Raymond, you know where 287 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 5: they drafted him and what he's become for the team. 288 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 5: And so I think that there are guys in this 289 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 5: draft that certainly you could look at outside the first round, 290 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 5: outside the top fifty, and you just add depth because 291 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 5: that's that's such an important part of this It's it's 292 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 5: a game of attrition, and the more depth you have, 293 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 5: the better chance you have winning deep in December. 294 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: How complicated is this top overall pick with you know 295 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: what what the strength of the draft is, the uncertainty 296 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: of Will Levis now with this foot deal with abdual Carter, 297 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: how do they sort this out? I know they have time, 298 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: but it seems like it's one of the worst years 299 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: if you will, to be sitting at the top of 300 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: the draft, if that makes sense. 301 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 5: Relative to especially like team like last year. Yeah, I 302 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 5: think it's fair to say that. I mean, it's never 303 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 5: a bad year to have their number one pick because 304 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 5: you control the draft. 305 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 6: Do you get the best. 306 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 5: Player on your board in the draft, And there's value 307 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 5: in that certainly, And I don't know how much the 308 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 5: foot issue will affect Bill Carter's talking with Drew Rosenhouse 309 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 5: this morning and he's adamant that they got great news 310 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 5: this morning about the foot, and he's gonna be a 311 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,599 Speaker 5: full participant at the Pro day. It's not going to 312 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 5: affect him. So, you know, I'm interested who's gonna be 313 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 5: picking first. 314 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 6: Is it going to be the Titans right or where 315 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 6: we are right now? 316 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 5: We're still two months away from the draft. My prediction 317 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 5: right now is cam Wore will be. 318 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 6: The first pick. 319 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 5: I just don't know where any whether it's going to 320 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 5: be Titans at one sticking and picking, or are the 321 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 5: Giant's gonna get little Antsy and say let's go get 322 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 5: our guy. Could the Browns maybe make that move from 323 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 5: two to one? So I think cam Ward goes one. 324 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 5: With what we know right now, I think he goes one. 325 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 5: Just I'm not sure which team is going to be 326 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 5: making that pick. 327 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 3: All NFL fans and fans of football are always eyes 328 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 3: are on the quarterback. So I want to set this 329 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: up for you. Let's take cam Ward out of it, 330 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 3: Let's take Sanders out of the mix. Any starters in 331 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 3: this draft after those two when it comes to the 332 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 3: quarterback position. 333 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, potentially, Usually we have more Day one quarterbacks and 334 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 5: Day two quarterbacks if because if you're not good enough 335 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 5: to go in Round one, usually your teams are gonna 336 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 5: draft you on Day two. This is one of the 337 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 5: strange years where we might have more Day two quarterbacks 338 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 5: than first rounders. You know, Tyler Shuck from Louisville, I'm 339 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 5: a big fan of He's Yes, he'll be a twenty 340 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 5: six year old rookie. Once you get past that, I 341 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 5: think you start to see, okay, the way the ball 342 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 5: exploses off his hand, the way he can move in 343 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 5: the pocket, a big, sturdy kid. Yeah, he's seventh year senior. 344 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 5: But it's all medical stuff. And look, there's something to 345 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 5: be said about experience quarterback. You look at what Jade 346 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 5: Daniels did last year bo Nix. You know, those were 347 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 5: five year starters in college. And even though Shuck doesn't 348 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 5: have the same level of experience, just because he was 349 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 5: banged up so much, as long as my doctors and 350 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 5: trainers say medicals are clean, he's good. We have no 351 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 5: long term worries. I have no problem drafting Tayler Shock 352 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 5: on Day two. And you know, I don't care that 353 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 5: he's twenty six or he'll be twenty six. He has 354 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 5: starting talent for the next level, so hopefully he lands 355 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 5: in the right spot and gets a chance to show. 356 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: That Dane Brugler. 357 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: Final thing from the athletic tell us about the Beast, 358 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: How you doing with it? How many prospects this year? 359 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: How many pages? And when can we expect to drop? 360 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying not to get too anxious about We're 361 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 5: almost we're a month away from having to be done 362 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 5: with it, and we've got some cool new things this 363 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 5: year making it more digital friendly on the athletic sites. 364 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 6: That'll be fun. 365 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 5: But you know, at my mindset is just I'm gonna 366 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 5: do the work and find out see where we are 367 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 5: when we're done. You know who knows that that's four 368 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 5: hundred players, but the goal is always four hundred gud 369 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 5: reports and close to two thousand players in the with 370 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 5: full pro day information, verified NFL stuff. So yeah, I 371 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 5: think most people know what the Beast is right now. 372 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 5: But if if you don't you like the draft at all, 373 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 5: I promise you will not be disappointed by what the 374 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 5: Beast has to offer. 375 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: So it is it is worth every penny. Now, how 376 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: many people do have helping you with that? In terms 377 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: of like layout and prep and sorting. 378 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 5: All the work I do myself in terms of the 379 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 5: the reports and all the ever all that. Yeah, we 380 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 5: have a design team that does a great job and 381 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 5: we've actually've actually added to that this year with the 382 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 5: digital component. So I'm excited to see what it looks 383 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 5: like when it's all said and done. That'll be a 384 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 5: lot of fun. But yeah, it's there's a little bit 385 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 5: of anxiousness too, just I want to want to get 386 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 5: it done, get it out there, and hopefully, you know, 387 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 5: people enjoy it. 388 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 3: An army of one, if you will, and I don't 389 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 3: think anybody's help And Dane Brugler with the beast other 390 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 3: than Dan Brugler. 391 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: Great work. 392 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 3: I love catching up with you on this thing, and 393 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 3: thanks for all the insight that you bring to this 394 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five NFL now anytime. 395 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 6: Thanks guys. 396 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: It's a combined staple every single year to step into 397 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: the beautiful mind of Matt Miller from ESPN and ESPN 398 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: dot com say. 399 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 4: Saint Elma, well that too. 400 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, have you been there yet, by the way, this week? 401 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 7: Oh no, I did, Harry and the same thing. Yeah, yeah, 402 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 7: I've had my signs. The steps you know. 403 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 404 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: ESPN NFL Draft Analysts insider from ESPN at NFL Draft 405 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: Scouts on Twitter. X Matt, Welcome back to Indianapolis. You've 406 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: been doing this a long time. How does the combine 407 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: continue to grow and evolve and become more important to 408 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: people like yourself and those. 409 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 2: That cover this league? 410 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks for calling me old number one. I appreciate 411 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 7: that I've been doing this a long thing. 412 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 4: I have. 413 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 7: This is my thirteenth combine I think, so I've been 414 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 7: at it a long time. You know. 415 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 4: The I think the cool thing about. 416 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 7: The Combine as it grows is the analytics that get involved. 417 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 7: You know, it's not, of course we have like the 418 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 7: forty yard dashes stuff, but now we have you know, 419 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 7: we have GPS tracking on everything and like anything that 420 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 7: helps me learn more about players. I'm in favor of, 421 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 7: you know, any anything like and it helps us do 422 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 7: our job. You know, there's a lot that happens even 423 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 7: behind the scenes with you know, cognition testing and personality 424 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 7: typing and all. You know, the combine is about so 425 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 7: much more than just the forty r dash. So Number one, 426 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 7: it needs to stay in Indy. 427 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 4: I love it here. Number two, like I wish. 428 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 7: I wish there was a way to incentivize it for 429 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 7: players to work out, because I think one of the 430 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 7: unfortunate sides of the combine is and we've we've got 431 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 7: a long list of players not working out for myriad reasons. 432 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 7: But I do miss the days when you'd come here 433 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 7: and I feel like everybody was gonna work out and 434 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 7: felt the competition, you know of like uh, you know, 435 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 7: or like Julio Jones borrow and shoes to run a forty. 436 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 7: You know, I kind of miss that. I'm like, you 437 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 7: know what, I'm gonna prove it. I'm gonna go to 438 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 7: show that I'm the guy. 439 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 8: And that's that's one thing that I always loved, especially 440 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 8: when I mean, this is kind of an exception because 441 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 8: it's not a deep quarterback class, but you've been there 442 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 8: when you have four or five quarterbacks competing for those 443 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 8: top spots. They come here and they all sling it. 444 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 8: You know, that is one thing. You're right, you know, 445 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 8: we missed that. 446 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 7: I'll watch Patrick Mahomes throw here and it was like 447 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 7: good lord. And then the next year Josh Allen threw 448 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 7: and You're like, wait, nope, that was like okay, you know, 449 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 7: it's like that's that's the fun part being in the 450 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 7: being in Lucas Oil last year when Xavier Worthy ran 451 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 7: the forty. Oh, I mean that like I had, I 452 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 7: got chills and you could feel it coming and like 453 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 7: the momentum and the energy in there, and like all 454 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 7: the scouts are buzzing and it's like this guy, this 455 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 7: is about to happen, Like he's going to do this thing. 456 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 7: And so like from a competitive standpoint and from an 457 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 7: evaluation standpoint, I don't know how it happens. 458 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 4: Just I don't know. 459 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 7: Give guys a thousand dollars or something. Come on, let's 460 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 7: let's get people working out. Give them a grand I'll 461 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,479 Speaker 7: run a forty for right now. 462 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 8: Put that in the n IL fund, right right, I 463 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 8: do a lot. 464 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 2: For a thousand dollars. To be honest with you, all. 465 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: Right, tell me about your colt's needs. I mean, rank 466 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: them in order. I mean, is it tight end, is 467 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: it secondary, is it offensive line? 468 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: And how does that relate to the strengths of this draft? 469 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's tight end. 470 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 7: I mean, you have the fewest receptions by any tight 471 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 7: end group in the nation last year in the nation 472 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 7: college in the league last year. So that's obviously a 473 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 7: big one and I think it lines up with the 474 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 7: strings at this draft. You know, with Tyler warrenant Colton 475 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 7: leveland are both of my top ten players overall, so 476 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 7: that lines up well. Secondary, Yeah, you got to you 477 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 7: gotta find some playmakers. 478 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 4: You know. 479 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 7: I thought they went into last year light at corner 480 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 7: and I know those guys got graded out pretty well 481 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 7: on how the corners played, you know, a testament to 482 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 7: the development that they had there. But you need difference 483 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 7: makers on offensane defense right now, like that's where this 484 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 7: team's at. You need somebody that when you get out 485 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 7: on the field, you got to find that guy, you know, 486 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 7: because they're that the impact player. So I think that's 487 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 7: one of the big keys for this offseason, whether it 488 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 7: be free agency or the draft, is find those difference makers. 489 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: How how long or how much how much can you 490 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: wait in this draft to get a difference maker, a 491 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: starter potentially in the secondary within this draft class. 492 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 4: This is not a good secondary class. 493 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: I want to be got to get that news. 494 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 7: Yeah, And so here's what's wild though, I don't know 495 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 7: that there's a player that I would value at fourteen 496 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 7: unless Will Johnson, the corner from Michigan Falls or Zade 497 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 7: Baron from Texas. Like those are the two where I 498 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 7: think at fourteen they're in that conversation. Otherwise and I'm 499 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 7: like the biggest Emon Morrey fan in the world. The 500 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 7: safety from South Carolina. Fourteen's early for a safety unless 501 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 7: that guy is going to be Ed Reid, you know, 502 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 7: like they they have to be great, you know, even 503 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 7: like you know, Derwin James has been good for a 504 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 7: really long time. He's a big impact player. Chargers haven't 505 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 7: won any games because of him. Right, It's like at fourteen, 506 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 7: I want to draft a guy at a premium position, 507 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 7: you know. And I would even throw tight end into 508 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 7: that mix, just because like they're going to be your 509 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 7: number two receiver or maybe even number one receiver. So like, 510 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 7: if you can get a premium pass catcher at fourteen, 511 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 7: that's the route. 512 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: I go in. By secondary, you mean both corner and and. 513 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 4: As far as draft class goes, it's weak at those spots. Yeah, 514 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 4: I don't. 515 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 7: Again, Will Johnson, I'll put way up there, Zade Baron, 516 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 7: I'll put way up there. Then we've got to drop 517 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 7: off to that third corner, and at safety, I have 518 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 7: em and Warrey in like twenty five. I have Malachi 519 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 7: Starks at like thirty five, Xavier Watts in the fifties, 520 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 7: So like there's a they're just not those blue chip 521 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 7: players at those positions this year. 522 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: How big is the gap between the third best tight 523 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: end versus the third best corner. Yeah, that's a good 524 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: question if you compare and contrast those gaps in terms 525 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: of positional needs. 526 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, so the way you would want to stack it, right, So, 527 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 7: like I think if you take a tight end at fourteen, 528 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 7: when you come back around middle round two, I think 529 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 7: that's where the. 530 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 4: Corner sweet spot might be. 531 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 7: Actually, you know, it's like that I would feel better 532 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 7: about if you told me I could have Tyler Warren 533 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 7: and Trey Amos the corner from Ole miss and those 534 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 7: are my stacks around one too, Like I'd be very 535 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 7: happy about that as opposed to reaching a fourteen on 536 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 7: Malachi Starks, who my my buddy Melkiper had the cults taken, 537 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 7: and then getting like Mason Taylor maybe like he might 538 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 7: be gone at that even middle round two, So you 539 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 7: might be at a point where it's like, Okay, it's 540 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 7: Elijah o' royo from Miami or gunner Helm from Texas. 541 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 7: So like I would feel better about getting that tight 542 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 7: end round one, a corner or safety round two. 543 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 8: Now you talked briefly about, you know, the cornerback group, 544 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 8: and one of the guys I feel like I have 545 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 8: done all week is I forget about Travis Hunter because 546 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 8: he's this hybrid. 547 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's everything. Where do you have him? 548 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 8: Is he the top corner, top receiver or yeah? 549 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 7: And it's tough because you would love to break him 550 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 7: out and almost grade him twice or like write him 551 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 7: up twice. 552 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 4: I might do that. 553 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 7: I'm someone remind me I need to get if he 554 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 7: was right, if he was only a wide receiver, he'd 555 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 7: be my top receiver. If he was only a corner, 556 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 7: he'd be my top corner. Okay, So, and I think 557 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 7: it's team dependent how you view him. I know he 558 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 7: says he's gonna play both ways. I don't know that 559 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 7: you can do that long term, I think, and it's 560 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 7: not even just like I think mentally he can handle it, 561 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 7: but I think it's hard. The time commitment to be 562 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 7: great at one position in the NFL is really hard. 563 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 7: So now you're gonna do it at two positions? Like 564 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 7: that's that's difficult for me to envision. 565 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 8: One of the things that Chris Ballard said is that 566 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 8: they're gonna add competition around Anthony Richardson. And one of 567 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 8: the kind of ways I've worded it this week is 568 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 8: you've got these quarterbacks. It's not a real rich quarterback 569 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 8: at the top on this class, but you've got some 570 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 8: guys who. 571 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 4: Have played a lot of college football. 572 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 8: So do you think there is any quarterbacks in this 573 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 8: class in Day two, day three that can be brought 574 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 8: in and be that competition because of the amount of 575 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 8: high snaps at a high level. 576 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 2: The college experience. 577 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, Like the safe answer would be no, because other 578 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 7: than Jalen Hurts, there's not a quarterback that you know 579 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 7: from the second round who's doing anything in the NFL really, 580 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 7: And outside of Russell Wilson, there's not one from the 581 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 7: third round, and outside of Rock Party, there's not one 582 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 7: from Day three, right, So it's like it's a very 583 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 7: very small list of good quarterbacks who weren't first round picks. 584 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 4: So the safe answers no. 585 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 7: But I do think this class has some value in 586 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 7: the in the middle at quarterback, right kem Morerishier Sanders. 587 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 7: They're gonna go over right after that, guys like Jackson 588 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 7: Dart three year starter at Old Miss Quinn you or 589 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 7: three year starter at Texas, Will Howard k State and 590 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 7: Ohio State, Kyle McCord two year starter. So I do 591 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 7: think like those guys could come in and they could 592 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 7: absolutely be competition. Now are they going to be better 593 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 7: day one than Anthony? Maybe not, But I do think 594 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 7: you're onto something there that the days of a guy 595 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 7: being a twelve game starter in college and coming out 596 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 7: are probably gone, you know. 597 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 4: Like agents know, scouts know. 598 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 7: In fact, you know, there were some quarterbacks this year 599 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 7: that I got asked to advise on and was like, 600 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 7: if you have not started twenty five games in college, 601 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 7: go back to college. Because NFL teams are very aware 602 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 7: of the hit the bust rate. And I'm not calling 603 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 7: Anthony a bust yet Mitchell Trubisky one year starter, doesn't 604 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 7: work out. Even Zach Wilson was like a one and 605 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 7: a half year starter. You know, it's like, man, guys 606 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 7: just need to play football. 607 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 4: How has it affected Jalen Milroe. 608 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 8: He's kind of a polarizing guy in my eyes because 609 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 8: you play at Alabama, you got all these eyeballs. Yet 610 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 8: it seems like he's just opened down. What's the tape 611 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 8: on Jalen Milroll. 612 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 7: It's I mean it is the tape is there are games, 613 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 7: especially early in the twenty twenty four season, where he 614 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 7: thought this dude's gonna take the jump, He's gonna be 615 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 7: the guy. He regressed over the course of the season 616 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 7: as a passer. You don't see that very often, where 617 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 7: from week one to week twelve he actually got worse. 618 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 4: I don't know if it's a confidence thing. I don't 619 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 4: know if there was an injury there. 620 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 7: Obviously there was a big time scheme change when they 621 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,959 Speaker 7: brought in Kaylen de Bori's head coach. They wanted him 622 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 7: to do things that he's not that good at, and 623 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 7: I think for him as every team I've sat down 624 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 7: with his asking about Jaylen Millwer, I'll tell you that 625 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 7: because he's fascinating. Yeah, but my thing would be, like, 626 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 7: I need to see the guy consistently complete easy passes 627 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 7: before I can get excited about him as a runner, 628 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 7: because you got to be able to hit, you know, 629 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 7: the fifteen yard out, and he can't do that consistently. 630 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: Where did he regress? Was that footwork mechanics? 631 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's footwork that led to some upper body like 632 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 7: nothing was aligned. You know, his feederre all over the place, 633 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 7: his timing ends up all over the place, and then 634 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 7: his ball placement ends up all over the place. So 635 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 7: I know there were some Anthony Rigson comparisons for him. 636 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 7: He's also he's not that big. You know, he is 637 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 7: incredibly fast, but he's a little bit over six foot tall. 638 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 7: He's two hundred pounds two hundred twenty pound excuse me, 639 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 7: but he's not this hulking physical presence. He has under 640 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 7: nine inch hands, he doesn't have a huge arm. I 641 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 7: think what happened with Milroe was people saw clips and 642 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 7: got really excited and then projected him to be something 643 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 7: that he's not. 644 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you brought up Anthony Richardson. I mean, let's 645 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: be real. I mean we're you're sitting here in the 646 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: colts table. We're all rooting in, hoping, like heck that 647 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: things turn around for them. But is Richardson's success or 648 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: lack thereof so far in the NFL hurting. 649 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 7: Jylen Milroe a little bit? 650 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 4: Yeah? 651 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 7: I mean, I think any guy who hasn't proven themselves 652 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 7: as a passer in college where you're betting on traits basically, 653 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 7: and you're betting on upside. Not just Milroe, I mean 654 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 7: any any quarterback right now where you're saying, oh, let's 655 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 7: bet on trades over you know, the proven attributes. And 656 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 7: that was the thing where Anthony, like y'all remember, people 657 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 7: wanted to take him over C. J. Stroud because he's 658 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 7: the most athletic quarterback has ever tested to the combine. 659 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 7: But that hasn't parlayed into results in the NFL. So 660 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 7: I think any player, and even guys on defense. You know, 661 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 7: we can look at Trevon Walker with the Jaguars, was 662 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 7: drafted ahead of eight Hudginson. 663 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 4: I think jacksonvill would redo. 664 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 7: That today if they could, right and so, and like 665 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 7: a big philosophy of mine right now is draft good 666 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 7: football players. And like that's how I remind myself stop 667 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 7: getting carried away about forty yard dashes. Yeah, if a guy, 668 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 7: if that athletic ability doesn't translate to production, what. 669 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 4: Good is it? 670 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? He just you know, he drafted a really 671 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: good looking guy. 672 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, Matt Miller, right there, 673 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: I know your schedule is incredibly busy. 674 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 2: One final thing. I know we're sitting here on radio row. 675 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: There's a million media outlets and a lot of buzz 676 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: at the combine because it's combine, right, there's always buzz here. 677 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: But to the masses, right, if you can think like 678 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: my brother in law. Okay, my brother in law is 679 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: not a. 680 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 2: Huge sports guy. 681 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: Okay, but he gets excited about big things and in 682 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: the past he's gotten excited about the draft. Is my 683 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: brother in law getting excited about this draft? Have you 684 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: seen the masses get excited about this meat and potatoes 685 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: draft compared to other years in recent past? 686 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 4: No, No, there's not. Quarterbacks. 687 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 7: Quarterbacks sell right, and last year we had six go 688 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 7: in the top twelve. That sells right, And this year no, 689 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 7: And that's you know the same thing. I have friends 690 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 7: who are they know what I do for a living. 691 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're not following. 692 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 7: They're on the front class, right, you know, they're like, oh, well, 693 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 7: they know who Travis Hunter is, they know who Door 694 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 7: Sanders is, maybe Ashton genty But this is mean potatoes. 695 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 7: Is the best way to describe this draft without a doubt. 696 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 7: But what's fun is all those football fans, all their 697 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 7: teams are going to get better from this draft because 698 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 7: it's so good In the trenches, and we just saw 699 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 7: Philadelphia whip Kansas City because of that. 700 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 4: We've seen Mahomes lose two Super Bowls because his left 701 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 4: tackle can't do his job. 702 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, so like, no, it's not the most exciting draft, 703 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 7: but I guarantee you, like your team is going to 704 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 7: be better if they address the trenches. 705 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 4: Through this draft. 706 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, in five years, there's going to be some impactful 707 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: players from this draft class that win super Bowls. Right, 708 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: That's how it goes. Matt Miller ESPN and ESPN dot Com. 709 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: Follow him on Twitter x at NFL Draft Scout, like 710 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: the hundreds of thousands of other people have already decided to. 711 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 2: Do that are really excited about this draft class. 712 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: Matt, always appreciate your time, thanks for squeezing us in 713 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: and enjoy the rest of your stay. 714 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 4: Thanks, guys, appreciate you. 715 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: That's Matt Miller at the NFL Combine earlier this week 716 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: on why this draft is still very important despite the 717 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: lack of big names and big depth at skill positions. 718 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: Thanks to Matt, and also thanks to Dane Brugler for 719 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: the time and for being part of the final edition 720 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: here of the Combine Converse podcast series. But we got 721 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: tons more chats from the combine in store for you. 722 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: We'll give those to you on future podcasts, future Last 723 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: Word radio shows, and are inside the Draft series that's 724 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: coming up throughout March and April as well, so stay 725 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: tuned for those. I'm Matt Taylor, and you're in the 726 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: right place here for the latest on the Colts and 727 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:20,959 Speaker 1: thanks for listening. 728 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 2: You're on the Colts Audio Network.