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Speaker 1: going through the recent NBA news. We'll get to the

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Speaker 1: mean tragic news that dropped on yesterday. The Timberwolves announced

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Speaker 1: that Karl Anthony Town's mother, Jacqueline, died after battling the coronavirus.

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Speaker 1: This is from a Town's family spokesperson. This was in

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Speaker 1: a release statement. Jackie was many things to many people.

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Speaker 1: A wife, mother, daughter, grandmother, sister, aunt and friend, the

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Speaker 1: matriarch of the Town's family. She was an incredible source

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Speaker 1: will never be replaced again. Super super sad news because

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Speaker 1: we especially know like what I guess it was mid March,

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, Trey, this was a big news over

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Speaker 1: the last couple of days. Pivoting here obviously, from that

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Speaker 1: tragic news to the Bulls. Your Bulls are making some

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Speaker 1: waves here. The Bulls fired general manager Gar Foreman, great name,

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Speaker 1: great face, Gar Foreman on Monday after ten years in

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Speaker 1: this move came soon after the Bulls confirmed the hiring

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Speaker 4: Carnisi of Us.

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Speaker 1: Okay, not bad, as the franchise is executive vice president

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Speaker 1: of basketball Operations, so he is in and Gar Foreman

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Speaker 1: is out. Trey, we got to start with you, as

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Speaker 1: the diehard Bulls fan. What do you think of these

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Speaker 3: JD hit the celebration music.

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Speaker 2: It is the best time to be a Bulls fan

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Speaker 2: in I don't know, four or five seasons. Basically, the

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Speaker 2: Bulls just hired the third GM of my life, of

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Speaker 2: my life, wow, Jerry Kraus, John Paxson slash Gar Foreman,

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Speaker 2: the first time they're pulling somebody from outside of the organization,

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Speaker 2: stealing him from the Denver Nuggets, which has to be

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Speaker 2: encouraging because the main knock on the Bulls is that

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Speaker 2: they have just been a family business basically, if once

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Speaker 2: a Bull, always a bull. It honestly felt like John

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Speaker 2: fact that things haven't been so great ever since Derek

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Speaker 3: They're calling him a senior advisor.

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Speaker 2: I heard Karnaeshiavus saying that he views Packson as an

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to collaborating.

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Speaker 2: I just hope he doesn't collaborate too much, and I'm

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Speaker 2: hoping we hear pretty soon that they're moving on from

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Speaker 2: coach Jim Boylan. But honestly, for the Bulls, it has

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Speaker 2: been a decent shutdown. They're losing no games, they got

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Speaker 3: Is good for the Bulls.

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Speaker 2: You might notice that there's no basketball being played, but

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Speaker 2: at least they're able to win a month when nothing

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Speaker 5: Smart move by Karnishevus there to basically not take a

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Speaker 6: Think when it comes to ownership.

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Speaker 5: So it's clear that the ownership finally realized they had

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Speaker 6: They didn't want to.

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Speaker 5: They still highly regard and respect Paxon and Foreman, but

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Speaker 5: But while he's on the periphery it's still not a

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Speaker 5: and we just don't know what he could be saying

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Speaker 5: to the ownership group. So I think it's great. I

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Speaker 5: by completely moving on from John Paxson. And you know,

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Speaker 5: because if he's in this advisory role where he won't

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Speaker 5: announce that. They could have just said Paxson's out as

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Speaker 5: I think that's what a lot of people still feel,

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Speaker 5: particularly Bulls fans about Chicago, that these two Paxson and Foreman,

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Speaker 5: they need to be gone completely.

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Speaker 1: So but that's all, isn't that Like it's a ceremonial

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Speaker 2: When he gets a jumper against the Suns, he was

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Speaker 2: Like you're saying he is an ambassador, but hopefully he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you never know what the Bulls.

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Speaker 2: Once gar Foreman was fired, people were still curious fired.

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Speaker 2: From what I know, he's still got two years on

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Speaker 3: Who knows.

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Speaker 2: I'm choosing to be optimistic about this right now because

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Speaker 2: at the very least there's a new number one decision

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Speaker 1: Ago, right, right, right? What do you think task these

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Speaker 4: Well, I would assume that in a world where we

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Speaker 4: wonder if if the season is canceled, if that changes

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Speaker 4: Carnesiavus's plan here or just how he has to do things.

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Speaker 4: If he's sort of forced into keeping Jim Boyling around

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Speaker 4: to start the season next year, which isn't a good

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Speaker 4: thing whatsoever. Lowry Markinen, you know, Trey mentioned was it's

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Speaker 4: been a good month for April, but Larry Markin has

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Speaker 4: reportedly said that he's been unhappy in his role. And

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Speaker 4: that's probably the only other than the Utah Jazz, which

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Speaker 4: we'll get to. The only on court thing which has

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Speaker 1: Trey, as a Bulls fan, do you have like a

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Speaker 2: All I know is that I don't want Jim Boylan

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Speaker 1: So your answer to that is abb anybody but boiling?

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Speaker 5: I don't know who the coach will be, but I

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Speaker 3: It's an exciting time in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy for you, Trey, I really am.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN's Brian Windhorses reporting that if we do

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that's sort of what the league has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure we'll hear a lot of these

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Speaker 3: Be able to fire this up if it ever is able.

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Speaker 1: To be fired up. Yeah, and I think it's important

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Speaker 1: to note too. I mean, this is Windhorses reporting. We've

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Speaker 1: heard from Commissioner Adam Silver directly, and he has just

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Speaker 1: flat out said no decision is going to be made

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Speaker 1: on any of this until May. So that's, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure behind the scenes. Of course, I'm not doubting

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Speaker 1: when Horses reporting here, but that's what he's told us.

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Speaker 1: We don't even know. We're not even gonna address this

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Speaker 1: until May, which is of course a couple of weeks away.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is Baxter Holmes. You know, he had

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Speaker 1: reported a lot of team officials he had talked to. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he said or they said, yeah, we need at least

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Speaker 1: a month long period to sort of help players, you know,

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Speaker 1: get physically back in shape, prepare for that layoff to

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Speaker 1: avoid a bunch of injuries. I just think, even though

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Speaker 1: if the NBA comes back, and I'm doubtful, just like

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Speaker 1: you guys, that it even does this season, I don't

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Speaker 1: think you're getting twenty five days. I really don't. I

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Speaker 1: know you would want that. I know you would want

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Speaker 1: a month. I get it. I get why you would

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Speaker 1: want it because you don't want ugly basketball and the

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Speaker 1: fear of injuries. With some of these guys, like Jason

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Speaker 1: Tatum just said he hasn't touched a basketball. He was

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Speaker 1: just on the jump with Rachel Nichols. He's like, since

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Speaker 1: the shutdown, he's barely touched a basketball. So these guys

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Speaker 1: are like, not all of them are. We're gonna be

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Speaker 1: in shape. I get that. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: if this gets pushed back further and further and further

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Speaker 1: and there is then some glimmer of hope that we

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Speaker 1: can have some regular season or playoffs, I just don't

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna get another month to then lead up

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Speaker 1: to it. I really don't. I think it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: more in the ten to fourteen day sort of window

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Speaker 1: has to be shorter.

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Speaker 4: And but that's sort of what it is, though, is

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Speaker 4: skeets not to get into semantics, but one horse is saying,

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Speaker 4: you're getting two weeks with the team, and okay.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying that that eleven days prior is just

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Speaker 1: them saying, hey, guys, we're getting close to coming back.

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Speaker 1: So if you haven't been doing your individual workouts, start

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Speaker 1: doing them right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just a warning period. You might instead of

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Speaker 4: going from virtual Hey i've got my trainer on zoom,

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Speaker 4: he can meet you somewhere eight feet away and get

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Speaker 4: it on, or something to that effect. Like it's it's

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Speaker 4: really just a two week camp, but then a little

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Speaker 4: warm up period before.

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be no advantage to teams coming out of this,

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Speaker 1: I mean, like really, I mean, everybody's gonna be in

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Speaker 1: the same boat. It's gonna likely be some pretty ugly

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Speaker 1: basketball and quite frankly, maybe some dangerous but maybe they

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Speaker 1: just everybody agrees to take it a little easier with

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Speaker 1: these guys. Their their minutes aren't ramped up. Who knows,

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Speaker 1: it's just gonna be it's an even it's an even

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Speaker 1: playing field at the very least of everybody coming back

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Speaker 1: from this obviously weird situation. If if if it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we gotta have basketball, we got to finish this season,

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Speaker 1: we will see. But I thought there was one part

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Speaker 1: in Baxter's piece, I guess it was from a Western

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Speaker 1: Conference GM, you know, that wasn't named. He said, people

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Speaker 1: forget how much these guys are actually getting treated every day,

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Speaker 1: talking about the players preventively treated, so not to heal,

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Speaker 1: but to prevent injury, and that's what's been missing. It

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Speaker 1: is a fair point that I don't think I had

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Speaker 1: really even thought of, you know, in terms of like

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Speaker 1: just these training staffs. It's a bunch of preventive treatment

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Speaker 1: to apply to these guys so they don't get injured

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Speaker 1: because of the physical riggers of playing basketball. So and

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Speaker 1: that's in theory they don't have that.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Lebron's somehow got his own personal h physical trait

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Speaker 1: there that he's been quarantined with this entire time. That

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Speaker 1: seems doubtful to me, But that's a that's a fair point.

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Speaker 1: If we get basketball, though, be prepared, it's going to

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Speaker 1: be ugly. I mean it is, but you know what,

511
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Speaker 1: ugly basketball is still basketball, so I think we would

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Speaker 1: all take it if we obviously can get to that

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Speaker 1: safe part where we can.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we watched two hours of horse this week

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Speaker 2: and we're going to watch another two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we are.

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Speaker 3: Basketball is no problem.

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Speaker 1: Well, Lee, Lee, do you think you've been working on

519
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Speaker 1: your game more than some NBA players?

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Speaker 5: Well, certainly on the certainly on the little court that

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Speaker 5: I've got here in the in the driveway for sure.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been shooting beating up the seven and eight

524
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Speaker 5: year old kids, so you know, it's great. But I

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Speaker 5: am happy to see a little bit of progress with

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Speaker 5: my own son because he nailed ten free throws in

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Speaker 5: a row the other day, which is what I.

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Speaker 3: Got him on the line already.

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Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, I said, just just start here, just line

530
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Speaker 5: your shot up first, and then we'll start going around

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Speaker 5: the room. But yeah, so I was pretty happy. And

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Speaker 5: he's working on his handles and everything, so you know,

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Speaker 5: silver lining to all this, of.

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Speaker 1: Course, Trey, I've never seen you dribble more in your

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Speaker 1: life than you walking around with a basketball right now.

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Speaker 2: Exactly right, How in the world has Jason Tatum not

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Speaker 2: touched a basketball in a month. Grab a basketball when

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Speaker 2: you go for a walk.

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Speaker 3: It's fun.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing better to do. You're not gonna be touching anything.

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Speaker 2: Just dribble around. You'll look like Pistol Pete in that movie.

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Speaker 6: Are you crossing up anyone Trey image? Imagine? Early?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've actually been a little bit worried that we're

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Speaker 2: gonna have to take my daughters to the emergency room

545
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Speaker 2: because I've broken their ankles so many times.

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Speaker 1: Don't want to go to the emergency room right now,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly right, it's crossups. Yeah, So we will obviously

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Speaker 1: see there'll be more news in the coming weeks, and

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Speaker 1: probably not until May when we once again hear from

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Speaker 1: Commissioner Silver on the NBA's plans to move forward a

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Speaker 1: season or to not. I think it will still be

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Speaker 1: All right, back to the headlines. Here the big news

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Speaker 1: from the last couple of days in the NBA world,

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Speaker 1: because things are sort of happening over the weekend. Rudy

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Speaker 1: Gobert downplayed apparent friction between him and his teammate Donovan Mitchell,

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Speaker 1: saying that they recently spoke for the first time since

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Speaker 1: Gobert tested positive for the coronavirus and triggered the suspension

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Speaker 1: of the NBA season. This is coming on the heels,

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Speaker 1: of course, of a fantastic, lengthy Athletic article from Shams

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Speaker 1: and Sam Amick and Tony Jones breaking down how that

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Speaker 1: all went down, sort of the days leading up and

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Speaker 1: that night of the NBA shutting down, and within that

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Speaker 1: there was this nugget from that athletic article that the

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Speaker 1: Jazz had already begun working on that Mitchell Gobert relationship,

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Speaker 1: But sources say Mitchell remains reluctant to fix what might

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Speaker 1: have been broken. It doesn't appear soligible. One source with

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Speaker 1: knowledge of the situation said, haven't heard a lot from

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Speaker 1: Mitchell on this. But Gobert, as I just said over

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Speaker 1: the weekend sort of saying no, no, they have now talked.

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Speaker 3: But what task.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with you? What's your I mean, who knows,

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Speaker 1: we're sort of guessing, but are you fearsome if you're

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Speaker 1: a Jazz fan that this maybe can't be saved? And

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Speaker 1: eventually we'll have to make a decision of sort of

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Speaker 1: who you go with a Gobert or Mitchell.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're definitely talking about he said, he said, and

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Speaker 4: we have no idea about the relationship and do you

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Speaker 4: But I'm less I guess optimistic about from Rudy Gobert,

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Speaker 4: things aren't things are never perfect. And I'm a little

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Speaker 4: bit more pessimistic about Donovan Mitchell coming out in his

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Speaker 4: And so there's a big opportunity. You're on national TV,

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Speaker 4: this is ABC. They're just waiting for you to say

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Speaker 4: it's not his fault. But he didn't extend in olive

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Speaker 4: branch whatsoever. And so I think there's room to be

651
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 4: concerned that it extends more beyond just hey, we're not buddies.

652
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 4: It's more of a scenario. On the basketball court, Rudy

653
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 4: Gobert has kind of had his head down and not

654
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 4: been all that pumped playing offense and often playing defense,

655
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 4: and so I would be concerned. Giving Rudy Gobert a big,

656
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 4: big contract with the way things are going right now,

657
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 4: and if they don't have this season, especially if they

658
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: don't have this season to get things right on the floor,

659
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 4: then I think you probably trade him next season. They

660
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 4: both have one year left on their contracts. Donovan Mitchell

661
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 4: seems to be the star that you'd want to go

662
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 4: with because Rudy Gobert, as good a defender as he is,

663
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 4: he struggles on the other end and he can be

664
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 4: thrown into some tough scenarios on the defensive ends where

665
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 4: he's stranded on islands and he does move his feet

666
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 4: at times, and he does get back, and he is

667
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 4: he is a really, really tough rim protector. But I'd

668
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 4: be more comfortable going with Donovan Mitchell Ford in that

669
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: scenario where you got you have to decide between the

670
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 4: two of them. So if I'm a Jazz fan, I'm

671
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 4: desperately hoping to see them make it work this season

672
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 4: because if you go into their contract years next year.

673
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 4: I know we talked about a few weeks ago on

674
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: a Beach step In podcast, how much money do you

675
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 4: give to Rudy Gobert, And there's talk about maybe he's

676
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 4: a MAX guy after winning a defensive player of the year.

677
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 4: But on this team where they just funnel everything to him,

678
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 4: the defense is designed to give him make him look

679
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 4: the best possible. But at the same time, if he

680
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 4: is switching on a defense and he is out there

681
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 4: on an island and the defense isn't designed for him,

682
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 4: I don't know how great he is. And so I'm

683
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 4: reluctant to say that we're going to see this twosome

684
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 4: in Utah going forward, even though they need Rudy to

685
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 4: be great. And Joe Ingles downplayed it on The Athletic

686
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 4: what else is he supposed to do? And in a

687
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 4: podcast with The Athletic and Tony Jones is on the

688
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 4: Athletic has also kind of said that things aren't great.

689
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 4: So when there's sort of that level of a divide

690
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 4: in the media, then that kind of to me, that

691
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 4: means that it's not a great scenario going on behind

692
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 4: closed doors.

693
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, it hasn't been a good season for Rudy Gobert

694
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 5: because what he's known for his defense, and he has

695
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 5: been exposed a few times this season. You know, when

696
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 5: the Jazz were playing well, when they had that good

697
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 5: hot streak, when they didn't have a really tough stretch,

698
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 5: of opponents. You know, he played well then, but otherwise

699
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 5: a couple of times Rudy looked a little bit out

700
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 5: of place now because he was an All Star on

701
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 5: the ten who played for the Year Awards. He is

702
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 5: entitled for five years and around two hundred and fifty

703
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 5: million or that that to obviously change considering the salary

704
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 5: cap is going to take a big drop in the

705
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 5: next year or two. But he still provides enormous value

706
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 5: when he is playing well. So it's a tough spot

707
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 5: here for the Jazz because you know, Donovan Mitchell's fantastic,

708
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 5: but he's not a true point guard either, so they've

709
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 5: got a few issues there. I do think they probably

710
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 5: ultimately side with Mitchell if they have to decide out

711
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 5: of one of those two guys. But that's the positive

712
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 5: for that then for the Jazz is they should get

713
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 5: significant value in return for a trade for Rudy because

714
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 5: I think there'll be a lot of teams interested in

715
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 5: him because what he provides is quite valuable at his best.

716
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 5: But you know, like a lot of players, you have

717
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 5: an up and down. You know, throughout your career have

718
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 5: ups and downs. And ironically, Rudy made the All Star

719
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 5: team this year and both of them did, whereas the

720
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 5: last couple of years where he seemed closer and he

721
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 5: was very upset when he didn't make it, he had

722
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 5: better seasons. So, you know, it's a tough spot. But

723
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 5: person I think there is still plenty of time for

724
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 5: this to be salvageable. I do, because we don't know

725
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 5: for sure anyway, if Rudy gave it to Donovan, or

726
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 5: Donovan gave it to Rudy, or neither of them gave

727
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 5: it to any of them. You know, Donovan was clearly

728
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 5: upset because of the way Rudy behaved in the locker room,

729
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 5: you know, sort of careless and touching everyone's stuff, which understandable.

730
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 5: But I think in the big picture, there's enough time

731
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 5: for the Jazz front office and the ownership to sit

732
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 5: down and say, Okay, it was silly, it happened, but

733
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 5: let's look what we've got here.

734
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 6: Guys.

735
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 5: You know, we've got a good base for our team.

736
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 5: Let's see if we can overcome this and move forward.

737
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 5: So I don't think it's it's the end of Rudy

738
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 5: and Donovan or Rudy in Utah, for sure. I think

739
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 5: the time for the Jazz and I think that will

740
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 5: still be their focus, that they would rather keep those

741
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 5: two guys together. In my opinion, whether or not they

742
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 5: decided to give Rudy the Max contract might be the

743
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 5: ultimate deciding factor. They might say, we don't want to

744
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 5: give him that huge money, so we will trade him.

745
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 5: But if Rudy is almost like understanding that, like okay,

746
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 5: I don't want the Supermax, then maybe this submit ground

747
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 5: there and maybe they can go forward. So I think

748
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 5: there's still enough time here for the Jazz to sort

749
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 5: this out.

750
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: I would like to hear if there was any sort

751
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: of a rift before yes, because, like Tess was mentioning,

752
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: it seemed like Mitchell and Gobert were not necessarily on

753
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: the same page.

754
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 3: Throughout the season. There were lots of times.

755
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 2: Where Rudy would be wide open underneath the basket and

756
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: wouldn't get the ball just because I don't know, maybe

757
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: Donovan didn't see him, or maybe he thought another play

758
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: was the right play. It just didn't seem like Gobert

759
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: was as involved in the offense as he would have

760
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: liked to have been, which then maybe led to some

761
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: waning effort on the defensive end. The Jazz went from

762
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: second in defense last year, when Jay Crowder and Derek

763
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: Favors were still around to help out. They kind of

764
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: put all their chips in the Rudy Gobert basket this year,

765
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 2: and they's still a good defense. He's still a valuable,

766
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: impactful defensive player, but they're down to eleventh now.

767
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: He can't do it all on his own end.

768
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: If there was any sort of rift before the virus

769
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: took hold, maybe this exacerbates it. We need to hear

770
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 2: from Donovan Mitchell. It's it's good to hear from Rudy

771
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 2: Gobert that they've talked that they're still devoted to winning

772
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 2: a championship together, because the two of them are a

773
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: good mix as a pick and roll partnership, and Gobert

774
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 2: is able to make up for some of Mitchell's deficiencies

775
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: on the defensive end. But that's different than saying we're friends,

776
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: we can't wait to be around each other and see

777
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 2: each other again.

778
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: Is Donovan Mitchell?

779
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: If Donovan Mitchell is the one that's mad, we need

780
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: to hear from him that he's not mad anymore.

781
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Because like Tat said, and I agreed, you

782
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: don't need to be best friends to win a title

783
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: or have success in the NBA, but you do have to. Yeah,

784
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: you got to respect each other, and you know you're

785
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: going to war every night with that with that guy

786
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: out there. So if that is gone, then that's an

787
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: issue and you're probably then going to have to make

788
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: a decision. But exactly what you said, TK, is this,

789
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 1: for the lack of a better word, is Mitchell using

790
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 1: the coronavirus, you know, hitting Gobert and then the team

791
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: is he using it as an excuse, you know, to

792
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: to force the Jazz hands of like, hey, me or

793
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: him or I even want out of here. That's what

794
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: I want to know, and we won't know that we

795
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: actually hear from Mitchell really to speak on it. Yeah,

796
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: he did that thing with who'd you say good Morning

797
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: America way back in the day, but otherwise he's been

798
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: pretty damn quiet on all of this. So yeah, this

799
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: is I mean, so let me do ask you this.

800
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: Though let's say it can't be saved, Lie says it

801
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: probably can. Still They're gonna try, sure, are you guys?

802
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: It will start with you, Trey, if you had to

803
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: pick between right now, Rudy Gobert or Donovan Mitchell. Moving forward,

804
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: given the big paycheck too, and you can only have

805
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: one of them if you're the Jazz. Is that an automatic, Mitchell?

806
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: Do you think maybe it's go? Actually, Gobert, where do

807
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: you fall on that?

808
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: For me, it's auto, donno, because he's going to be

809
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: so much cheaper. He's going to be a restricted free

810
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: agent coming off of his rookie contract, so his max,

811
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 2: while it is still a max for him, it ain't

812
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: as big as Rudy Gobert's. And you know, you need

813
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: somebody who can score to win in the NBA. It's

814
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: great to have a good defense, but as we see

815
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: him with the Jazz, there have been times when they

816
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: haven't been able to get their offense going. I just

817
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 2: think you would be a little bit nervous about paying

818
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: forty million dollars to Rudy Gobert when he's thirty two

819
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 2: years old, when we're already seeing there may be a ceiling.

820
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: To this team task. Same question, what do you think?

821
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt, not not even a ponder, but not

822
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 4: even a ponder.

823
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: But can we agree that, like is it an argument

824
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: right now?

825
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 3: At least?

826
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: Like who's more important to the Jazz in terms of

827
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 1: winning games? Right? This moment, be it Rudy or Donovan

828
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: Mitchell in terms of the way they.

829
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: Play, And yeah, I think that's an argument for players

830
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: based on today. Like I mean, they're both solid all

831
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 2: star players who are in the top twenty five in

832
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 2: the league. One of them gives you an offensive hub

833
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 2: and one of them makes your defense a solid defense,

834
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: even if it's maybe not the greatest defense in the

835
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: league anymore. It's definitely it's definitely a tough call between

836
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 2: who is more vital to winning for the Jazz right now.

837
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 2: Because the other thing is they do work well together

838
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 2: when they're on the court and when they're on the

839
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: same page.

840
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 3: That's that's the tough thing.

841
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: If they're able to figure things out and get their

842
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: chemistry back to where it has been in the past,

843
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: if they're ab to if Donovan Mitchell is able to

844
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: figure out how to play off the ball so that

845
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: Ingles and Gobert are able to work their pick and

846
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: roll magic, it certainly works. The building, the framework is there.

847
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: It just seems to be that there's a little rout

848
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: in the foundation.

849
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lee, are you a no brainer that you would

850
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: go with Mitchell over Rudy Gobert for the future.

851
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean not a no brainer, but I guess

852
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 5: I would lean towards Mitchell. But I mean he's still

853
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 5: got to work on his game as well, because, as

854
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 5: I said earlier, he's sort of played point. I mean,

855
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 5: they got Mike Conley into try to he's a little

856
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 5: bit of the workload there for him. But he's more

857
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 5: a scoring guard than a true point guard, and he

858
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 5: needs to you know, his shot selection at times is

859
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 5: still a little bit if he but he's young guy.

860
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 5: He's got plenty of time to work on that. But

861
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 5: you know, with Rudy Gobert, do you look at this

862
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 5: season and see this as a blip on the career

863
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 5: arc that he was on because he was a very

864
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 5: dominant player defensively who needed to improve his offensive game,

865
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 5: or do you see maybe this is his ceiling? You know,

866
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 5: maybe it's like again, as I said earlier, he's going

867
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 5: to be in a lot of demand. A lot of

868
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 5: teams are going to want a guy who can protect

869
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 5: the rim the way that Rudy can at his best.

870
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 5: So I think there'll be a lot of trade value

871
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 5: out there for him. But do you want to pay

872
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 5: that guy? You know, potentially fifty odd million in three

873
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 5: or four and four or five years time, and that's

874
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 5: probably what's going to hold the Jazz back, I would think,

875
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 5: because you know, that's what he could be entitled to,

876
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 5: which is just crazy money when you think about it.

877
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 5: But of course in five years time, there'll be a

878
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 5: lot of guys earning that sort of money. So I think,

879
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 5: you know, for the Jazz, they you know, I was

880
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 5: one of the people who thought coming to the season

881
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 5: that they really should be contending for second or third

882
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 5: in the West, but that hasn't been the case. I

883
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 5: don't think it's been a great season for them, and

884
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 5: a part of it, a big part of it has

885
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 5: been that Rudy hasn't been able to really stamp himself

886
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 5: on the defensive end, which I think a part of

887
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 5: that is the fact that Derek Favors isn't there, who

888
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 5: was an incredibly underrated defender, you know, not the sort

889
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 5: of athletic rim protector that we saw, but just a

890
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 5: guy who knew how to position his body and who

891
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 5: the Jazz really relied on to body up a few guys.

892
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 5: So it's a it's an interesting decision that the Jazz

893
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 5: have to make. But I think ultimately, if they are

894
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 5: going to choose one over the other. They would side

895
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 5: with Mitchell, even though it wouldn't be you know, wouldn't

896
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 5: be without long discussions.

897
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, just to push back on that a little bit

898
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: you said there, Lee, because I'm with you. I think

899
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: a lot of us were very very high on the

900
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: Jazz coming into this season, and they haven't blown us away.

901
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: But you know, forty one and twenty three when we

902
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: got shut down, they're like three games back from the

903
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: second seed from the clip, and you know, even less

904
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: than the Nuggets. So what you just said in the

905
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: two to three seed is what you pictured in your

906
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: mind as the Jazz. Well, they're I mean, they're basically

907
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: right there.

908
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 6: Yeah.

909
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 5: I don't look, I don't have their standings in front

910
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 5: of me, but it felt like the Jazz beat the

911
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 5: good team, beat the bad teams quite well, but struggled

912
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 5: against the good teams.

913
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 6: I'm going to see if I can if I can pose.

914
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: It never took them as a as after the season

915
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: started to unfold as a legitimate total contender. We're not

916
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: that great in your opinion against some of.

917
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 5: The Yeah, when they went on that big winning streak,

918
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 5: I mean most of the team, he beat up a

919
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:05,479
Speaker 5: lot of crappy teams.

920
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then and then they just they just struggled.

921
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 5: And you know, from what we've seen on them in

922
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 5: the playoffs, particularly last season, they needed to be a

923
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 5: much more convincing team this season, and I don't think

924
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 5: they were so again at their best. You know, I

925
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 5: think they are very very They're capable of being very

926
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 5: very good, but they certainly weren't doing that this season

927
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 5: enough and enough, you know, consistently. You said the record,

928
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 5: great record, a lot of things. They'll have to love

929
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 5: to have that record, but I think if you scratch

930
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 5: the surface a little bit, you kind of it doesn't

931
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 5: really reflect what their real position is in the league.

932
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 2: I mean, mat w thirty eight against teams below five

933
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: hundred eleven and fifteen against teams five hundred and above.

934
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 3: You don't need the stats man, just go on that

935
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 3: beautiful brain of yours.

936
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 5: So there you go though that that sort of does,

937
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 5: you know, back up my case there that they just

938
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 5: weren't that convincing against good teams. But in order to

939
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 5: win forty one games and be twenty three, you've got

940
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 5: to take care of the rap crap teams. That's what

941
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 5: good teams do. So, you know, anyway, it's.

942
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: Funny with the I think it's funny with the Jazz

943
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: when I look back, I mean, it feels like Mitchell's

944
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: been there a lot longer than he his just because

945
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: he you know, came out of the scene, out of nowhere,

946
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: and he was such an impactful player right away. But

947
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: the Jazz like won fifty one games in the season

948
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: before Mitchell even showed up. I mean, that's what the

949
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: Gordon Hayward and all that go Baar of course still

950
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: a backbone in that defense. At the time, they were

951
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: a good damn team and they've been dig you know,

952
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: the similar team since Mitchell's been there, I think was

953
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: forty eight wins and then fifty wins, so like still

954
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: right there. They just haven't taken it to the next level.

955
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: And we keep thinking every year that they're going to

956
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: to become more of an upper echelon team, not just

957
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 1: a really good team, and they have it and maybe,

958
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: like you said, not even this year as well, So

959
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, you can't. I think we're agreeing that you

960
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: don't want to lock in massive, massive, massive money to

961
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: both of those guys. If your plateau with the way

962
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: they're currently made up is a fifty win team that

963
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: maybe gets to the second round. Right, I mean it's

964
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: you're either on the first round or maybe get to

965
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: the second round, and no one takes you all that

966
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: serious moving on. But we will see decisions maybe to

967
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: be made or maybe they can make this all work.

968
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: We gotta wait to really hear from Mitchell. I think

969
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: on this one, all right, A couple more guys. According

970
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: to the New York Daily News, Tom Thibodeau is confident

971
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: he'll be back coaching next season, and he's been asking

972
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: around the league for advice on the best opportunity. It's

973
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: unclear right now where TIBs might land or which teams

974
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: maybe he's eyeing, but the Knicks and the Nets could

975
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: be possible destinations after both those clubs fired their their

976
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: bench bosses during the nineteen twenty campaign. Hey, maybe it's

977
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: the Bulls after Boiling gets fired.

978
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 5: Damn, I knew someone was gonna make that joke. I

979
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 5: didn't know who was going to be sorry.

980
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: Sorry to it in getting to the even to the

981
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: piece of news here, but yeah, this isn't huge news.

982
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: We thought for a while that Thibda would want to

983
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: come back Is there a particular spot where you'd like

984
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: to see him. I mean, maybe the Rockets have an

985
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: opening too. There's other teams that you know obviously there

986
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: could be eventually down the line a coaching spot available.

987
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: What about What do you guys think about TIBs coming back?

988
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: Second highest winning percentage in Bowl's history and for a

989
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: long time, the longest, the best winning percentage in Bowl's history.

990
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: Come on back, baby, raise that basement. I assume that

991
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: things have changed for Tom Thibodeau. He is asking people

992
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: their opinions. So maybe when he's asking these people their

993
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: opinions on jobs, they're also mentioning, hey, man, if you're

994
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: coming back next year, you can't play everybody forty five

995
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 2: minutes a game. You got to give some run to

996
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 2: the Tony Snells and Marquise Tigues out there. Just let

997
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: him get a little bit of a run, get your

998
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: guys a breather. Things will definitely have to change for Thhibideau,

999
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: But I think he's a good coach. He's a guy

1000
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: that's gonna make your team better because they're gonna be

1001
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: bought in defensively and playing a defensive system. The league,

1002
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: no doubt caught up to the thib system. But he's

1003
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: had a couple of seasons out now. I assume he's

1004
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: probably been visiting practice. We know that has happened in

1005
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 2: the past, so he's probably strategizing for what his team

1006
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: would look like whenever it is. I don't necessarily know

1007
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: that he's the perfect coach for the balls, but I

1008
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 2: wouldn't be mad if they brought him back.

1009
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: The team would be better, There's no doubt.

1010
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 5: I don't think I wouldn't be excited if he was

1011
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,479
Speaker 5: a coach on my team. I don't think he can change.

1012
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 5: He's sixty two years old and he's been a lifelong coach,

1013
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 5: and he's coached that same way forever. And it's fine

1014
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 5: that he's asking around and maybe seeking advice as to

1015
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 5: how he can get back into the league. But if

1016
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 5: you look at what happened in Chicago in Minnesota, kind

1017
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 5: of the same thing. Like he drove his players into

1018
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 5: the ground, his players didn't really like it in the

1019
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 5: end because he was going far too hard.

1020
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 6: In prahaps that's not true.

1021
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler always loved it.

1022
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 5: Well, yeah he did for a while, but then of

1023
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 5: course he didn't like it after when he got there

1024
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 5: to Minnesota, so I think, unfortunately the time has passed

1025
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 5: for Tibbs.

1026
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 6: I thought he did. He'd look when he.

1027
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 5: Came into Chicago, he did really well. You know, they

1028
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 5: achieved something. They got to the playoffs, and he had

1029
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 5: an MVP and a Defensive Player of the Year. But

1030
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 5: ultimately his style just doesn't really jell anymore with the NBA.

1031
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 5: He's too much of an old school guy. So I personally,

1032
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 5: it's one thing to say you're going to change, but

1033
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 5: I just can't see TIBs. I remember I spoke to

1034
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 5: Nick Friudell one day when he was on the Bulls beat,

1035
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 5: and he said that the thing with TIBs was just

1036
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 5: every day he just said, work harder, work harder, work harder.

1037
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 5: And I just can't see a guy now saying, you

1038
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 5: know what I'm going to he's up a little bit.

1039
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 5: So I wouldn't be excited at all if he was

1040
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 5: a coach of one of my teams, which I have

1041
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 5: thirty of them, so it wouldn't be any of them.

1042
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: That's what do you think of TIBs possibly coming back

1043
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: to coach Well?

1044
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 4: Sixty two is the new forty two lee? I think

1045
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 4: a bit. Do you want your coach to say, work

1046
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 4: less hard?

1047
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 6: Is that what you want? I want the coach to

1048
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 6: be able to adapt a little bit.

1049
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 5: The players are different now, you know, They're not like

1050
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 5: they were when he started coaching, you know, thirty years ago.

1051
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 5: And also as well, even see someone like Doc Rivers,

1052
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 5: I think is a good example of a guy who

1053
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 5: learnt to adjust because he's been known to be a

1054
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 5: coach who does and practice a lot because he feels

1055
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 5: that his players, you know, as long as they stay

1056
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,479
Speaker 5: in shape, they need to conserve their energy for games.

1057
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 6: Whereas Tibbs to me came across as the.

1058
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 5: Other that it's like old school practice, practice practice two

1059
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 5: hours in the gym, you know, the day after a

1060
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 5: back to back, and argue.

1061
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: A team like the Knicks need someone like exactly actually come.

1062
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: In and see he say, look at what he's done

1063
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: in his career. All he has done is one in

1064
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: his career, he won more than fifty percent of his

1065
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 2: games and all but two of his seasons. He took

1066
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: the Minnesota Timberwolves to the playoffs for the first time

1067
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 2: in fifteen years.

1068
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, but ultimately are you're going to say, but in

1069
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 5: the end he wears his players down physically and emotionally.

1070
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 2: Who cares they will fire him eventually. Enjoy the four

1071
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 2: years of your team getting better and better and actually

1072
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 2: learning how to play NBA defense.

1073
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't.

1074
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 5: I just don't think of gels anymore. And I just

1075
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 5: don't think that's that that's the sort of thing that

1076
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 5: players are going to respond to anymore myself. I mean

1077
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 5: players are different, They've come through different systems now, and

1078
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 5: then you have an old guy just yelling and screaming

1079
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 5: at you and just making you work.

1080
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 3: So hard in I just don't forget Popovich fan.

1081
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he's changed as well. Popovich is a guy

1082
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 5: who's shown over time that he's adjusted. He doesn't do

1083
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 5: a lot of practicing on off days anymore. He likes

1084
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 5: to keep his guys fresh, so and he's adapted his

1085
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 5: game to the styles of the league. You know, the

1086
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 5: Spurs became a good three point shooting league team, even

1087
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 5: though Pop hates a three pointers. So you know, some

1088
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 5: guys can adapt and adjust over time. I just don't

1089
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 5: think Thibodou is one of those.

1090
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 4: He just needs a little kombucha and he'll he'll change

1091
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 4: it a young man again and he'll have a new

1092
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 4: rouvet a layers look on Lafe. And maybe the last

1093
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 4: couple of years has humbled him to some degree being

1094
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 4: out of a job. You know, he went from the

1095
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 4: Balls job directly into the Timberwolves job from tents and

1096
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 4: purposes and maybe maybe maybe fresh has helped him to

1097
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 4: slow it down. And yeah, that's why I mentioned the kombucha.

1098
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 4: Maybe you just want something disgusting on your palette to

1099
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 4: change it.

1100
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 6: Up a little bit.

1101
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 5: Well, he needs he needs to chill out with Phil

1102
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 5: Jackson for a while then and maybe, you know, just

1103
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 5: start smoking some joints and maybe that'll calm him down

1104
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 5: a little bit, because he seems like a fairly you know,

1105
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 5: highly highly strung guy. And conceding power I think is

1106
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 5: his problem. That's that's where I think it's the issue

1107
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 5: that he doesn't like to give up too much of

1108
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 5: the lesser roles, Like he doesn't like to relinquish any

1109
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 5: power to the players or is even his assistant coaches.

1110
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 5: He likes to control everything, and you've got to be

1111
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 5: a little bit more democratic like that, like Steve Kerr.

1112
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 5: I think Steve ker has done a great job in

1113
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 5: Gon Saint. He had great players, no question. But Steve

1114
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 5: Kerr hired guys who he felt, would you know, like

1115
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 5: Ron Adams, who would actually help him understand when to

1116
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 5: sort of go hard and when to we he's off

1117
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 5: on his players, and.

1118
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 3: You'll never guess who Ron Adams used to work with,

1119
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: Lee Tom Dibotera.

1120
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: That's right.

1121
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 3: So you're telling me this guy doesn't collaborate.

1122
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,959
Speaker 5: I'm saying I feel that he finds it a little

1123
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 5: bit harder to let other guys have the voice in

1124
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 5: the locker room. I don't think other coaches do that.

1125
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 5: Like again, Greg pop Vich is a good example. I

1126
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 5: think he lets his other his players and his senior

1127
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 5: players contribute, whereas Tibbs, to me, the fact that he

1128
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 5: upset Jimmy Butler, who they had a great reputation together,

1129
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 5: tells me that, you know, at the end, Tibbs pisces

1130
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 5: off everybody, and I think that's that's gonna be the problem.

1131
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 5: So personally, I mean, look, there's no doubt he could

1132
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 5: come in and he should improve a team's defense, although

1133
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 5: Minnesota's defense didn't improve all that much when he was

1134
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 5: there and when he was there, if I remember correctly,

1135
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 5: but he's gonna you know, he's gonna be sort of

1136
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 5: disciplined with his guys, But it's a bit like the

1137
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 5: Scott Skyles thing. He's good for a year or so

1138
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden, guys just start tuning

1139
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 5: him out because it's that same droning message that that

1140
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 5: guys don't respond to it in the same way that

1141
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 5: they used to maybe in the in the eighties.

1142
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: I just like to now picture a stoned TIBs on

1143
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: the sidelines shelding ace Ace be a little different, wouldn't it.

1144
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: I will say that to put a button on the

1145
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: TIBs talk here. I can't picture him. I could be wrong,

1146
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: but I can't picture him coaching the nets, and.

1147
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 3: That seems like it wouldn't work all that well.

1148
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe.

1149
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 5: I mean, can you imagine if after a back to

1150
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 5: back or four and five and TIBs cause a coat

1151
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 5: of training the next day of practice, Kevin Durant and

1152
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 5: Kyrie Irving and those guys are just like, no, man,

1153
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 5: that's not how it goes.

1154
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 6: We need to we need to rest.

1155
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 5: I mean that that's the sort of thing that senior

1156
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 5: players they won't put up with younger players who are

1157
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 5: not experienced and haven't been around the league very long,

1158
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 5: wouldn't really know any difference. But senior guys are not

1159
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 5: going to put up with that.

1160
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I don't know, That's why the Knicks

1161
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: could be, you know, a possibility to me, because they've

1162
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: been garbage for so long. They could use some damn defense.

1163
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: They have maybe some guys that look like they could

1164
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: play some great defense, you know in Frankieycevistare and Mitchell

1165
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: Robinson and so on. Like, I don't know, you have

1166
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: an identity, a system put in place, they're going to

1167
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: be more successful. We agree with that, but I still

1168
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: hear you lead the idea of like TIBs might come

1169
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: in for a year or two and yeah, things are fine,

1170
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: and then they get tired of them. Sure, yeah, doesn't

1171
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 1: that happen to every coaches? Yeah, yeah, of course, of course.

1172
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: I mean there's a handful that don't. What's like, it's

1173
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 1: like two years is like the average you know, coach

1174
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: expectancy or whatever you want to call it.

1175
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 5: I mean guys like you know who've been there longer

1176
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 5: exposed on Rick Carlisle. I think they've figured out a

1177
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 5: way to sort of communicate with younger players and older players.

1178
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 5: So you know, there are some coaches who have been successful,

1179
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 5: but you know, the way that the way that it

1180
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 5: went with Tibbs to me is like I can't see

1181
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 5: him changing. If he can change, good on him, and

1182
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 5: I'm sure he can get back in the league. But again,

1183
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 5: as we get a bit older, we all get a

1184
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 5: little bit stuck in our ways, you know. So trying

1185
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 5: to get a sixty two year old guy to chill

1186
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 5: out who's not been too chill throughout his life, I.

1187
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 6: Think he's going to be a bit of an obstacle

1188
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 6: for him.

1189
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: You're especially just you're definitely an as.

1190
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 6: I think as well. In a market like New York City,

1191
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 6: I mean I can imagine not.

1192
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 3: The chiller places there the New York City.

1193
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 5: He needs to go to somewhere like I don't know, Indiana.

1194
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 5: You know where things are there's a less spotlight, less focus.

1195
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 5: He can go out there and the uh I got

1196
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 5: the potito farms out there? Is that where it is

1197
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 5: in Indiana?

1198
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: Okay? But moving on, you're now talking about potato far Sorry,

1199
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: final headline here, Let's wrap this up. I know Lee

1200
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: didn't watch this, that's for damn sure. Nor did I

1201
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: NBA dot com we got the headline, Devin Booker wins

1202
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: NBA two K Players Tournament. Yeah, he won this. On

1203
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: Saturday night. Booker took on his teammate DeAndre Ayton in

1204
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: the best of three final. I didn't realize it was

1205
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: a best of three final. He took it to oh.

1206
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: Booker said, it played a lot growing up. It's all

1207
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: about timing and I coordination. Good thing from this Booker

1208
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: earned one hundred thousand dollars donation to a coronavirus related

1209
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: relief effort of his choice. So good on Booker there.

1210
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: I know Lee didn't watch, so I'm not even asking

1211
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: him tasks or trade. Did you guys watch a second

1212
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: of this thing?

1213
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 3: No?

1214
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: No, just the clips online.

1215
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 2: Maybe I was excited to see that Devin Booker won.

1216
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 2: Why is that because I didn't know? But congratulations to

1217
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 2: him and to DeAndre Ayton and into the entirety of

1218
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: the Phoenix Suns.

1219
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 3: It sounds like they are the best video game franchise

1220
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 3: in the NBA.

1221
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 4: That's a Listen. The tournament peaked last week when Devin

1222
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 4: Booker didn't want to play as the Phoenix Suns, and

1223
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if he played with the Phoenix Suns

1224
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 4: in the in the finals. I doubt it, know he did.

1225
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 4: He had to pick a different team.

1226
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,720
Speaker 2: He used the semi finals. That looks like or Aton

1227
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: did at least I don't know.

1228
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah eight and used them at one point. Yeah, it

1229
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter.

1230
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 4: That was his mistake.

1231
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Booker. I'll say Booker called his shot on this one.

1232
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: I'll give him credit on that. He said when they

1233
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: set this thing up, Booker said, it'll be me and

1234
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: Ayton in the final.

1235
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 3: He called it.

1236
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: He's like, we're the best players.

1237
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 6: Ye see.

1238
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 5: Like I won't watch it, of course, because there's nothing

1239
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 5: more boring than watching other people play video games. But real,

1240
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 5: Tom thibodeaut here, but I would I would love to

1241
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 5: have played this against like these guys when I was

1242
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 5: back in my NBA Live days, you know, because I

1243
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 5: was a pretty good player, and I'd love to take

1244
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 5: on an NBA player and NBA Live So you know.

1245
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 3: I can't believe we just got it back in my

1246
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 3: day about video games football over the Mountain.

1247
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: I like, you guys didn't watch a second of this thing,

1248
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: just it wasn't all that interested. So I'm gonna go

1249
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: off with the Ringers. Roger Sherman wrote, this is what

1250
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: he said to be blunt. ESPN's presentation of the two

1251
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: K tournament sucked, spoiling an opportunity to potentially convince casual

1252
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: NBA fans to get interested in two K and the

1253
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: culture around it. The gameplay was dull, the players are

1254
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: less skilled than pro gamers and less entertaining than pro streamers.

1255
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: It also could have used a third party announcer to

1256
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: highlight some of the odd choices or funny mistakes players

1257
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: were making, to sort of liven up the dead spots. Okay,

1258
00:57:58,280 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 1: and either of the guys weren't saying anything.

1259
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 4: I agree with that. Yeah, it could have been a

1260
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 4: live announcer, but the players weren't up to par. What

1261
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 4: is he?

1262
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 6: What do they want?

1263
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 4: What is the writer there want? Roger wanted to do

1264
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 4: take some courses before.

1265
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: They Well, no, I think the idea is like, there's

1266
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: actually professional NBA two K players and dimes.

1267
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, that league already happens.

1268
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know, I guess I guess he was. Yeah,

1269
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: maybe he wasn't impressed with the gameplay test. I don't

1270
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: have to tell you. Maybe Roger's really good at it.

1271
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he's probably making some points. Again,

1272
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: I didn't watch a second of it, but yeah, from

1273
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: what I've read and seen going around on Twitter, it

1274
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: was pretty dull. Like even the fact of like these

1275
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: guys talking trash to each other, it wasn't a ton

1276
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: of that because I think we had, you know, Patrick

1277
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: Beverley had a couple of clips, or maybe he was

1278
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: he was Patrick Beverley like, but otherwise it was it

1279
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: was pretty uh, pretty flat.

1280
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 4: Which wel Devin Buscher said he's got great hand eye

1281
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 4: coordination and timing. That sounds like some great watching to me.

1282
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 4: I love that line. I've had a great hand coordination

1283
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 4: and timing forever. Yeah, all you bask players have great

1284
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 4: hand coordination and time.

1285
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they just needed a hype man because you know,

1286
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 2: the trash talk moments certainly were good, but that only

1287
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: happens a few times a game, So you need somebody

1288
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: that's just exactly covering.

1289
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 4: Up the dull spots of it.

1290
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 2: Somebody just said, oh, what are you doing, why are

1291
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: you passing? Why are you bringing Michale Bridges in?

1292
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Speaker 3: I don't know, something like that.

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Speaker 2: Somebody to get the jokes off. Because even with Horse.

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Speaker 2: That was the best part was when the players were

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Speaker 2: talking back and forth to each other. You're not just

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Speaker 2: watching somebody play video games at that point. You're seeing

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Speaker 2: people hang out, which would have been fun, but it

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Speaker 2: was a little bit too much focus on the game.

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Speaker 2: And maybe that's because these guys are competitors. They're not

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Speaker 2: used to doing it, like Ninja on Twitch getting these

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would. I'd rather see them play NBA Jam

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Speaker 1: versus each other. Can me, like just pair up the

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Speaker 1: teammates like actual teammates. Maybe that's how we can bring

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Speaker 1: Gobert and Mitchell back together, you know, have them play

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Speaker 1: an NBA Jam duo versus some other team.

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Speaker 5: And that's a better idea actually than just playing NBA

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Speaker 5: Live or NBA two K whatever it is, because NBA

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Speaker 5: Jam was fun and I could actually watch that and

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Speaker 5: enjoy it because I like watching people play that actually, right, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: because it's.

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Speaker 4: I think that might just divide Mitchell and go Bear

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Speaker 4: more go Bear. Oh yeah, but everyone's the I want

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Speaker 4: a guy who can shoot the three as my partner.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but everyone can kind of shoot it on on

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Speaker 5: NBA Jam, you know, I like say, like and I could.

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Speaker 5: I'd love to see Rudy Gobe do one of those

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Speaker 5: big like somersault dunction. I'd like do ten somersaults in

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Speaker 5: the air and smash it down.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just gonna okay boomers all of us right

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Speaker 1: now and uh and we'll wrap it up there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: some NBA news that we've had over the last couple

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Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us and remember No Dunks is a

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Speaker 4: basketball show.

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