Speaker 1: Good Dating with Dean, Vanessa and Jared and I heart
Speaker 1: radio podcast What is Up Planet Earth? Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for tuning into another episode of help I Suck
Speaker 1: at Dating. It's your one of your hosts, you know, Glair.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say your favorite host, but then I
Speaker 1: just felt weird saying that, because I'm definitely the third
Speaker 1: favorite host of basically everyone on this podcast, joined by
Speaker 1: Vanessa Grimaldi. No, you're still number one. No, I think
Speaker 1: that we all because I think I think we all
Speaker 1: should just concede to the idea that we're the third
Speaker 1: favorite hosts. Right, There's never a first or second, We're
Speaker 1: always just the third favorite. Yeah. Anyways, me and Vanessa
Speaker 1: just us to today. Jared had more important things to
Speaker 1: be doing apparently, I guess he's in Italy with his
Speaker 1: wife or something like that. So crazy. They left the
Speaker 1: day after their wedding, right, they left yesterday. Their wedding
Speaker 1: was Sunday, so they left the day after their wedding,
Speaker 1: Which is that uncommon? Do you typically stay in the
Speaker 1: area for a little bit and then go on your
Speaker 1: honeymoon or no? I think like old school. Um, I
Speaker 1: remember when I used to go to weddings when I
Speaker 1: was a lot younger, people would leave in the middle
Speaker 1: of their wedding day, like their wedding night. They would
Speaker 1: jump on a flight and go after their modding. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you this is what this is what would
Speaker 1: happen like back into the day. And now it's more
Speaker 1: common for people I find to want to save money
Speaker 1: and then leave for their honeymoon, either like a year after,
Speaker 1: a couple of months after, not directly after the after
Speaker 1: the wedding. But I mean, I just remember because I
Speaker 1: guess I saw like a headline or something saying that
Speaker 1: Jared and actually leave the day after their wedding for
Speaker 1: their honeymoon, and I thought that that was weird that
Speaker 1: that would be a headline. And so I guess I
Speaker 1: just kind of assumed that if you got let's say
Speaker 1: you got married on a Sunday, you would basically let
Speaker 1: me just stay in that town until like a Tuesday
Speaker 1: or Wednesday and then embark on your honeymoon. But it
Speaker 1: sounds like, oh, I guess it sounds like what you're saying,
Speaker 1: you either leave the night of the wedding or you
Speaker 1: leave a year later. I don't know. You hear a
Speaker 1: bunch of different things. Is like we do it differently
Speaker 1: in Montreal or maybe in the culture and our culture,
Speaker 1: we give money at the wedding. We don't give gifts.
Speaker 1: So everyone paid like two dollars ahead. If you're bringing
Speaker 1: me a date, you're paying four hundred dollars, so you're
Speaker 1: paying twenty dollars a person. I'm gonna be honest, I
Speaker 1: didn't get Jared An actually a wedding gift. And now
Speaker 1: that what Now, Now, I'm just realizing that that that
Speaker 1: might have kind of messed up with me to do.
Speaker 1: I just realized, but you know, you kind and say
Speaker 1: that you forgot to give it to them because you
Speaker 1: were out of town. Well, and now that they're going
Speaker 1: to know this, but you can get them something after
Speaker 1: and just be like, oh, I just want to surprise
Speaker 1: you guys when you were back from your honeymoon. Not big,
Speaker 1: not big on the idea a lin to my friends Vanessa.
Speaker 1: But I see what I see where you're saying for
Speaker 1: sick of self preservation. Actually, what's funny is I missed
Speaker 1: my flight the day that I was supposed to leave
Speaker 1: for their wedding. Yeah, I had a flight out of
Speaker 1: l a X. And I swear my alarmed everyone off.
Speaker 1: I said it for three third am. I woke up
Speaker 1: and it was like eight am, and I looked over
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's way too bright for it
Speaker 1: to be three three d am right now. And I
Speaker 1: looked at my phone and it was eight am, and
Speaker 1: I was I was freaking out. I texted Jared right
Speaker 1: away and I said, hey, man, my flight got delayed
Speaker 1: and we got redirected. Actually, Funny asked to say this
Speaker 1: because I just said I wouldn't lie to Jared, and
Speaker 1: actually I said I don't want to stress him the
Speaker 1: day or a couple of days before the wedding, right exactly.
Speaker 1: So I was like, my flight got delayed, got redirected.
Speaker 1: I'm now flying into Boston instead of Providence. I now
Speaker 1: get in at ten pm instead of six pm. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so I had to like jump on the internet book
Speaker 1: a one way to Boston instead of my flight to Providence,
Speaker 1: which actually, like it sucked and I had to pay
Speaker 1: obviously some extra money to get on that flight, but
Speaker 1: it all worked out. It works out. I want to know, Ye,
Speaker 1: did the Jonas brothers show up to their wedding? Yeah
Speaker 1: you didn't hear? No? No? Did they for real. Where
Speaker 1: did you hear that? I thought that was kind of
Speaker 1: like under wraps. You're such a liar. Where did you
Speaker 1: hear that? I'm curious. I'm just saying because I feel
Speaker 1: like Jonas Brothers and Ashley it's like synonymous with each other.
Speaker 1: So I figured they might show up to their wedding.
Speaker 1: Jonas Brothers, Rob Thomas was there. Taylor Swift showed up
Speaker 1: halfway through the night. Okay, you're making me feel like, well,
Speaker 1: I did have the worst weekend, but now you're making
Speaker 1: me feel like I I'm just kidding. With SA none
Speaker 1: of that happens, but I mean it would be awesome
Speaker 1: with the Jones brothers showed up, I think, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. There were some great live musical performances
Speaker 1: by people that their names escaped me. But um, it
Speaker 1: was a beautiful wedding the night before actually, so we
Speaker 1: did like O huh, yeah, it was, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: your dresses were unbelievable the night before. So she had
Speaker 1: a rehearsal dinner dress. On Saturday, she had her of course,
Speaker 1: her her ceremony dress, and then her reception dress. Right,
Speaker 1: so three dresses, but maybe more, I don't know. Exactly
Speaker 1: what she did. But um, Saturday wasn't a good night.
Speaker 1: We had like a rehearsal dinner. We It's it's funny
Speaker 1: because they used that time for like the groomsmen and
Speaker 1: the bridesmaids to give speeches because they're like, we don't
Speaker 1: want to like give fifteen speeches the night of the
Speaker 1: wedding at the at the dinner party, and so all
Speaker 1: the bridesmaids had days to prepare for this. They kind
Speaker 1: of knew it was all coming. And then literally like
Speaker 1: five minutes before it happened, the wedding planner came up
Speaker 1: to me, Ben and Nick and they go, hey, uh,
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna give a speech in five minutes.
Speaker 1: Are you okay with that? And we all looked at
Speaker 1: each other and you go. We were like, well, well,
Speaker 1: why didn't you just tell us as sooner? And so
Speaker 1: Ben went first, and Ben, in natural Ben Higgins form,
Speaker 1: delivers a beautiful impromptu, off the cuff speech. Like people
Speaker 1: were literally crying and tearing up in the audience listening
Speaker 1: to Ben speech. And then Nick went and Nick started
Speaker 1: crying in the middle of his speech, and it was
Speaker 1: a great speech. I attributed to his acting ability I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know, if the tears were real,
Speaker 1: but regardless, he sold it and he crushed it. And
Speaker 1: then I end ago after Ben Higgins and Nick by All,
Speaker 1: and I gave the worst possible speech imaginable, and I
Speaker 1: was like, maybe if I had more time, I guess,
Speaker 1: if I had more time to prepare, I would feel
Speaker 1: even more guilty for doing a bad job. At least
Speaker 1: like this way, I kind of have an excuse. But
Speaker 1: the rehearsal didn't went well. And then the next day well, actually,
Speaker 1: then we went out that and I to the bars
Speaker 1: like Jared's last night as a single man, quote unquote,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And there was like me, Jared, Ben, Nick,
Speaker 1: Becca Tilly, Tanya Ashley didn't come with us, but we
Speaker 1: all went to the bars, like the local bars in Newport.
Speaker 1: I think we were at a place called O'Brien's or
Speaker 1: something like that. And I don't really like drink alcohol
Speaker 1: much anymore, but it was Jared's like last night as
Speaker 1: a single man, So I was like buying shots for everyone.
Speaker 1: I was like, Jared, you're taking the shot at tequila. Ben,
Speaker 1: you're taking the shot of vodka, and I'm like taking
Speaker 1: shots with them every single time, and I got the
Speaker 1: drunk is I've been in a long time. And I
Speaker 1: had slept in until like three pm the following day
Speaker 1: the wedding, which is the day of the wedding, right,
Speaker 1: so the ceremony started around like five ish. I slept
Speaker 1: until three pm, just so hungover. I thought I was
Speaker 1: gonna like throw up a couple of times the morning after,
Speaker 1: sitting in bed and Ben like had to come knock
Speaker 1: on the door a couple of times. He goes dean man, like,
Speaker 1: you gotta get up, you gotta go take pictures with
Speaker 1: the groom has been the bridal party, all this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, and I'm just sitting in bed, like just
Speaker 1: please leave me alone. I just need to be left
Speaker 1: alone in darkness for a little bit. I was like
Speaker 1: sitting in my bed like fetal position, child's posts for
Speaker 1: a little bit, like trying to keep everything inside of me.
Speaker 1: Um so that the day of the wedding got off
Speaker 1: to a rough start for me. And again I attribute
Speaker 1: that to just I think my goal was to get
Speaker 1: Jared as drunk as possible, But what I did was
Speaker 1: to get myself as drunk as possible, And that was
Speaker 1: just that was a silly mistake. Um. And then the
Speaker 1: wedding came and the ceremony was fantastic. We did we did. Uh.
Speaker 1: It was actually interesting because typically when you go to
Speaker 1: a wedding, right, like the groomsmen and the bridesmaids all
Speaker 1: stand up at the altar with the bride and groom right.
Speaker 1: But at this wedding, it was just the best man,
Speaker 1: which was Jared's father, and just the maid of honor,
Speaker 1: which was Ashley's sister, and then all the groomsmen and
Speaker 1: all the bridesmaids were sitting down. I have a question
Speaker 1: because I saw I don't remember whose story Ashley's father
Speaker 1: was roasting Jared. Yeah. Yeah, I think everyone was kind
Speaker 1: of resting Jared a little bit. That's hilarious. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he has the right to be rested. You know,
Speaker 1: he waited three and a half years to figure out
Speaker 1: exactly who he wanted to marry, and then I guess
Speaker 1: it all worked out for them obviously at the end
Speaker 1: of the day. And it is funny. It's like Becca
Speaker 1: and I think a couple other people said they were like,
Speaker 1: this is the most beautiful love story ever, and part
Speaker 1: of you is like, well, yeah, It's absolutely phenomenal and
Speaker 1: so beautiful, and I'm so happy that they because what
Speaker 1: Ben said, actually that really struck a chord. I think
Speaker 1: that really made a lot of people cry. As he
Speaker 1: was saying it was like, if if you were to
Speaker 1: ever look at these two people, Ashley and Jared, you
Speaker 1: would know that there are two people that were like
Speaker 1: supposed to end up together, right, and so it's like
Speaker 1: great obviously see them that time than not. Um, But
Speaker 1: it's just they didn't really maybe have the most traditional
Speaker 1: path to get where they got to. Um. But then
Speaker 1: the wedding was great, went went off without a hitch.
Speaker 1: There were some dogs that ran down the aisle as well,
Speaker 1: and then the yeah they had three dogs, but the
Speaker 1: ring bearers I think. And then the reception was great too.
Speaker 1: It's this beautiful estate in Rhode Island. I think it
Speaker 1: was something, oh, I can't remember the name of it,
Speaker 1: but it was this beautiful, big manner and yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it seemed it seemed to go off without a hitch.
Speaker 1: I think that they're pretty happy with how it all went. Um.
Speaker 1: It was a big wedding. I haven't really been to
Speaker 1: many weddings, but there was like two people there, which
Speaker 1: seems like a lot. But yeah, that was the wedding.
Speaker 1: How was your weekend? Uh? Not the greatest. My grandmother
Speaker 1: passed away. I'm sorry to agree that. Um so it
Speaker 1: was not. Yeah, it was a tough week leading into
Speaker 1: the weekend. But she was ninety one, she was a
Speaker 1: fierce she was a fierce lady, and she had Alzheimer's,
Speaker 1: so were morning the loss of her once, you know,
Speaker 1: she started losing her memory and it was just a
Speaker 1: matter of time. And but no matter what age, it's
Speaker 1: never easy to say goodbye to love one. So it
Speaker 1: was definitely an emotional weekend and it was no much
Speaker 1: needed family time over the weekend. And uh yeah, it
Speaker 1: was really able to get together for it. Yeah yeah
Speaker 1: in Montreal or yeah exactly. So the week was on
Speaker 1: Friday and then the mass was on Saturday. But it's
Speaker 1: a long process. I mean, it's just very emotionally draining.
Speaker 1: And then you know that an you worry about how
Speaker 1: because it was my dad's mother, and then you start
Speaker 1: worrying about your dad's You know, we should worried about
Speaker 1: my dad's health because you know, he was really close
Speaker 1: to her. And yeah, I'm really fortunate and I don't
Speaker 1: think a lot of people can say this, but up
Speaker 1: until I went on The Bachelor, I had all four
Speaker 1: grandparents alive. My grandfather passed away on my dad's side
Speaker 1: right before I went on the show, and three years
Speaker 1: later the exact same way between, Like I think it's
Speaker 1: exactly three years my grandmother, my grandmother and my dad's
Speaker 1: side passed that passed away, and now, thankfully, knock on wood,
Speaker 1: I still have my mom's side with me. So very
Speaker 1: very fortunate. You have to hold on to the to
Speaker 1: the to the memory so that you can keep them
Speaker 1: alive with you. How does how does the Alzheimer's process work? Like?
Speaker 1: How long did your grandmother have it? She started? Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think we knew what she had until like
Speaker 1: we started seeing the signs and the symptoms of it.
Speaker 1: And then there's like a stage where you can get aggressive. Um,
Speaker 1: and there's a stage where you know, we would open
Speaker 1: the fridge and there would be a shoe in the fridge,
Speaker 1: and then she would hide my grandfather's wallet, and then
Speaker 1: she would like mail things off to different people and
Speaker 1: things were obviously making sense, and we put we placed
Speaker 1: her in a home, and yeah, she was she's been
Speaker 1: in though she was in the home for a couple
Speaker 1: of years and we'd always go visit her, and my
Speaker 1: dad would go twice a day to feed her, and
Speaker 1: we're all very very close. So it's it's sad, very sad. Yeah, again,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know much about it, but I
Speaker 1: know it's a horrible disease. But thoughts are with you.
Speaker 1: It's hopefully you're able to. I mean, it's good that
Speaker 1: you were able to spend the weekend with your loved
Speaker 1: ones and kind of process it all with them, right right,
Speaker 1: Because I was supposed to be in l A. I
Speaker 1: had to work opportunity out in l A. And I
Speaker 1: had to cancel that the morning of when my grandmother
Speaker 1: passed away, and that's when we had to start planning
Speaker 1: all the funeral arrangements. And yeah, Mike said, very very sad,
Speaker 1: but like you know, you have to keep them in
Speaker 1: your thoughts and in your memories. But enough about like
Speaker 1: this sad stuff. Happy news. Deanie babies is on paradise. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's there's in a clause or that,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean an appearance today. I gotta say
Speaker 1: Dean is so good at keeping secrets. What do you mean?
Speaker 1: I messaged you. I kept asking you, are you going
Speaker 1: on Paradise? You kept denying it. No, I'm not going.
Speaker 1: No I'm not going. I would, and then like at
Speaker 1: one point your phone went off and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: think you're off to Paradise. Good luck, and then you would.
Speaker 1: You didn't even reply to that message, so you kept
Speaker 1: the whole Paradise thing a complete secret. I tried to
Speaker 1: do it my best. Yes, I did keep it a secrets.
Speaker 1: Today is even the first time I went on Paradise.
Speaker 1: I kept it a secret from like all my close friends,
Speaker 1: and they would all like be like, hey, you're going
Speaker 1: to Paradise obviously, right like you're going, You're going, You're going,
Speaker 1: And the entire time I was like, no, I'm not going.
Speaker 1: I'm not going, like it's not for me, it's not
Speaker 1: for me, because I wanted to like people to show
Speaker 1: up to the beach see my friends with them thinking
Speaker 1: that I wasn't going and be like surprised, I'm actually
Speaker 1: coming and I'm here, let's do this, and really knew
Speaker 1: you were going. There's a select few people that knew
Speaker 1: that I was going. I mean, like my very closest
Speaker 1: friends and even then like one or two of them maybe, um.
Speaker 1: I was even like my my manager didn't really know
Speaker 1: that I was going to She was like, you're going
Speaker 1: are you going to Paradise? You're not going to Paradising? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, and which is like, in reality, it's
Speaker 1: pretty unprofessional of me to like not tell my manager
Speaker 1: that I'm going on a television show. But I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of what that was my mindset going that
Speaker 1: you're going to be m I A or however longer there.
Speaker 1: I made sure that I had everything that I needed
Speaker 1: to have taken care of to be good for an
Speaker 1: indefinite amount of time. But she wasn't very happy with me.
Speaker 1: She goes like, she's like, why didn't you just tell me?
Speaker 1: And I go, well, I don't know. It's kind of
Speaker 1: more fun to keep it a secret from everyone so
Speaker 1: you're not alone, I don't. I hope you don't think that.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, I just feel like, well,
Speaker 1: if you guys have secrets, Dean is definitely the one
Speaker 1: to tell them too, because he's a fault. He won't
Speaker 1: let anything out. But I want to asso should we
Speaker 1: talk about you and your date? With Klin first, or
Speaker 1: should we get into the whole Blake scenario. Well, I
Speaker 1: talked about the Blake thing on Almost Famous podcast last week,
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of blaked out, but I would still
Speaker 1: love to hear your opinion. I think that I'm curious
Speaker 1: to hear your side of things. Okay, So I only
Speaker 1: watched the last two episodes tonight and last night, and
Speaker 1: I'm kind of sad that I missed out. What was
Speaker 1: it too that I only missed two episodes if I
Speaker 1: only watched these two. Okay, so I didn't watch last week. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I kind of got my I kind of
Speaker 1: got updated. I personally know Blake and he doesn't have
Speaker 1: a He's not a bad person. He can't feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: Blake is a level of black right I for me,
Speaker 1: I can't personally say that about him. So to see
Speaker 1: that he's, you know, had fun with multiple women in
Speaker 1: the franchise alone, yeah, of course you're going to have
Speaker 1: a bad reputation. Of course, it's like you're gonna be
Speaker 1: placed in this like really uncomfortable situation, especially if you're
Speaker 1: back on the show wanting to date. In this case,
Speaker 1: it was multiple women, and now he's been on this
Speaker 1: On this episode, he's into Hannah, which is all very
Speaker 1: confusing to me. Um. I think for me it's I
Speaker 1: feel like, well, not that you could relate to this,
Speaker 1: and not that I want to bring this back up,
Speaker 1: but you were in a love triangle last year on Paradise,
Speaker 1: and Blake is in a whole other scenario with multiple
Speaker 1: women now. I think like, when you're in a bad spot,
Speaker 1: you're you're constantly trying to dig to get yourself out,
Speaker 1: but you're digging, and you'll just keep digging yourself a
Speaker 1: deeper and deeper hole. And I feel like that's where
Speaker 1: kids at this point. Yeah, I agree, And that's kind
Speaker 1: of how I feel too. I don't think Blake's a
Speaker 1: bad person. That kind of like I'll echo basically what
Speaker 1: I said last week on the Almost Famous podcast. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's a bad person. I don't think he
Speaker 1: has I don't think he's acting maliciously or malevolent malevolently.
Speaker 1: I just think that he is trying. I don't even
Speaker 1: know he's made a lot of bad decisions, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: I will say and I was like, well, why would
Speaker 1: you do this? When I saw this on his stories.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to call you out or anything real quick.
Speaker 1: But I noticed that one of my co hosts liked
Speaker 1: his post on Instagram, which posts reflecting his actions in
Speaker 1: Paradise this season so far. Oh, I probably just like
Speaker 1: the picture. I don't read captions. Well, it was a
Speaker 1: picture of words, but it's okay. Look I got at
Speaker 1: your team Blake. That's fine toom anyone listen. I think
Speaker 1: like when, like i've I, Blake was in Montreal not
Speaker 1: too long ago, and he just looked very, very sad,
Speaker 1: and I felt for him because I think he was
Speaker 1: very nervous with what was to come with the show. Um,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't team Blake. When he posted the instant
Speaker 1: the screenshots of his conversations with Kalen, that was a
Speaker 1: big violation of privacy. That's rod of the line to
Speaker 1: like defend yourself, say what you gotta say, but don't
Speaker 1: just don't screenshot and share private text messages. That was
Speaker 1: I thought, is the illegal. I feel like it might
Speaker 1: be even illegal to be doing something like that, but
Speaker 1: a violation of privacy, And I felt like he was
Speaker 1: his up against the wall and he didn't know how
Speaker 1: else to defend himself. But that was not the way
Speaker 1: he should have gone about it. And that's that's what
Speaker 1: That's the way I feel as well. You're allowed to
Speaker 1: defend yourself, go to whatever length you need to defend yourself,
Speaker 1: just don't go to that length. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: that that seems to be kind of what most of
Speaker 1: the people that I've talked to fields as well, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Blake has made a lot of questionable decisions.
Speaker 1: The people that he's involved with in Paradise maybe have
Speaker 1: made some questionable decisions as well. The point is we
Speaker 1: all do dumb stuff and questionable stuff. It's but it's
Speaker 1: like how you react to those things, and it's like
Speaker 1: what you what are you going to do to maybe
Speaker 1: improve and not make those same mistakes again. But by
Speaker 1: publicizing private texts for millions of people to see is
Speaker 1: not really the way to go about, um saving face
Speaker 1: or explaining yourself of the story. And it's funny you
Speaker 1: see you see interviews by like Chris Harrison or obviously
Speaker 1: me last week, and I guess I really haven't seen
Speaker 1: any other like cast members or people from the show
Speaker 1: speak out about it. But the people that I've talked
Speaker 1: to you privately are all like, yes, he has every
Speaker 1: right to defend himself, but he never should have released
Speaker 1: those text messages, right, never. Yeah, and even if you're
Speaker 1: releasing text messages, there's a whole other part of a
Speaker 1: conversation that you're not showing, So like you can't just
Speaker 1: pick and choose whatever pieces of a text message that
Speaker 1: you want to display text conversations. And on top of that,
Speaker 1: there's probably phone conversations, facetimes, in person conversations, that type
Speaker 1: of stuff. Yeah, so I think we're kind of on
Speaker 1: the same page with that. I'm just gonna say that
Speaker 1: you're team Dean and this one. I'm gonna go out
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go out on a limb here. Whoever
Speaker 1: said it was Dean against Blake? Oh well, I'm just yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, that's a good point. I guess I'm saying
Speaker 1: that right now. Yeah. No, I'm I'm just team like privacy,
Speaker 1: respect people's privacy. But I will say I was really
Speaker 1: team Dean and Kalen. Yeah, what do you think of
Speaker 1: a date? Okay, what's your honest opinion about it? Pretend
Speaker 1: like it's Pretend like you're not talking to me, Pretending
Speaker 1: you're talking to like something found Klin like stunning beautiful.
Speaker 1: Now you know she is. We all know she is.
Speaker 1: Everyone has a girl crush on her. Um But I
Speaker 1: actually wrote this down tacious at at best. When you
Speaker 1: walked in and she's like, oh, Dean is like a
Speaker 1: rugged beach bumb Like you shower but you don't. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like a weird combination where you know where
Speaker 1: we're all here for it. I was like, that is hilarious.
Speaker 1: That's being like, does he shower? We don't know if
Speaker 1: you showers because you so us. You have this like
Speaker 1: sexual thing about you and especially and I'm saying this
Speaker 1: and I'm saying this from a very healthy, happy, committed relationship.
Speaker 1: When you and Taylor were in that pool kissing, I
Speaker 1: was like I saw Dean on a whole other level.
Speaker 1: I was like, whoding babies. There was something about like
Speaker 1: the chemistry between you and Klin and the pool was
Speaker 1: on fire. I don't know why they wearing the fireworks
Speaker 1: behind us. But what's funny is that leading into that
Speaker 1: kiss was not the most romantic thing, but you let
Speaker 1: her uh oh no, the jump that jump into the pool,
Speaker 1: that's not what I was referring to. They edited it out.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can say that, I don't
Speaker 1: see why I wouldn't be able to say that. Um,
Speaker 1: it was just like the first kisses are always awkward, right,
Speaker 1: like especially I wasn't drinking alcohol at Also, like my
Speaker 1: game was more just like speaking openly and honestly, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't as like smooth or swab as it typically is,
Speaker 1: which again it really isn't, but sometimes like when you
Speaker 1: when I get liquored up a little bit, like I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit smoother, and like right before her and
Speaker 1: I kissed, I go, klin, have you ever kissed a
Speaker 1: guy with a mustache before? And she goes, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, and I go, well, do you want to?
Speaker 1: And then we've we've laid lips on each other, but
Speaker 1: they didn't air that, and I was like I was
Speaker 1: kind of like dreading that for a minute, like going
Speaker 1: like leading into the kiss at the day as like
Speaker 1: it's gonna be pretty embarrassing. I like said this really
Speaker 1: silly thing in order to get a kiss from this
Speaker 1: girl that I liked on this date. But they didn't
Speaker 1: end up bearing any of it. I finally keep my
Speaker 1: boyfriend asked me if he was not No, actually, he
Speaker 1: said there's something I really want to do right now.
Speaker 1: Before he went in for the kiss and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what do you want to kiss me? He's like yeah,
Speaker 1: and he went in for the kiss and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's the sweetest thing. I think it's sweet.
Speaker 1: And you have like this quirky side to you that's
Speaker 1: so endearing. Um And I actually that Kalen called you
Speaker 1: out when you're like talking about yourself and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you really know how to hike yourself up, And I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: Kalin put him in this spot exactly like Dean. You
Speaker 1: need to know that you're like what we see in you.
Speaker 1: You need to believe it because you say that all
Speaker 1: the time, which is pretty funny. Actually she can go that.
Speaker 1: But like I said, I always try to under promise
Speaker 1: and over deliver. When I was when I was talking
Speaker 1: to Chris on my way down, I go, I'm I
Speaker 1: live in a van, I'm unemployed, I have a mustache.
Speaker 1: Who wouldn't want to date me? Right? Yeah? I mean,
Speaker 1: you just have a way to have a way of
Speaker 1: talking about yourself. So I want to know was it
Speaker 1: weird for you? Because I don't know what your situation
Speaker 1: is obviously you were dating Christina at one point. Is
Speaker 1: it weird to walk in? I've never been on Paradise,
Speaker 1: and obviously a lot of people listening to this episode
Speaker 1: haven't been on Paradise. So the nerves leading into walking
Speaker 1: down the stairs and seeing everyone in front of you,
Speaker 1: how does that feel? I'm gonna answer that question, but
Speaker 1: before I do that, I think we should take a
Speaker 1: little break. I just did that. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I was supposed to do that or not. Okay, cool? Um, So,
Speaker 1: walking into Paradise for the second time with one of
Speaker 1: my exes on the beach, as Vanessa pointed out, with Christina,
Speaker 1: you would think it would be a little awkward, but
Speaker 1: in all honesty, it really wasn't. I knew she was
Speaker 1: gonna be down there. I texted her before the show
Speaker 1: saying something along the lines of, Hey, I hear through
Speaker 1: the whispers of the trees that you might be going
Speaker 1: down to Paradise. I'm considering doing the same thing. I
Speaker 1: just wanted you to know if I see you down
Speaker 1: there and you're dating someone new or you're interested in someone,
Speaker 1: I'll fully support you in that relationship. If it's if
Speaker 1: it's like with someone that I think is trustworthy and
Speaker 1: worth of being in a relationship, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I basically was telling her like, I hope this
Speaker 1: isn't gonna be awkward. If you're interested in someone down there,
Speaker 1: I hope you know that you have my vote of
Speaker 1: confidence and like my vote of support for you. And
Speaker 1: so when I walked down to the beach, obviously she
Speaker 1: was one of the first people I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: to you, just to be like, what's up, how are you? Oh,
Speaker 1: it's funny that we're both back down on this beach together.
Speaker 1: Remember last time we were here and I was a
Speaker 1: huge That was hilarious. So it wasn't like super weirdly,
Speaker 1: wasn't super awkward. Um, I don't know, honestly, Like there's yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of history down on the beach between
Speaker 1: Christine and I. And but what's funny is Christine obviously
Speaker 1: has a history with Blake down there too, and as
Speaker 1: we saw in this most recent episode, she like has
Speaker 1: a thing with Kris Bukowski now as well. So it's
Speaker 1: just that's bachelor, you know, Like people get this interwebbing
Speaker 1: relationships where it's like, oh, I used to date him
Speaker 1: and I used to date him. Now I'm dating him,
Speaker 1: and he used to date her, who's action my best friend,
Speaker 1: and now she's dating him, and she's dating her, and
Speaker 1: he wants to date him, but he doesn't like guys,
Speaker 1: so he has to date her. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's a web of I like to know something because
Speaker 1: we saw Christina, who you're friends with, and you guys
Speaker 1: talked literally go to the bar and then talk about
Speaker 1: Klin behind her back. Why did she do that if
Speaker 1: you guys were like clear the air since then, and Christina, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you guys had clearly are being like, hey, obviously
Speaker 1: we didn't get to see your guys conversation, but you
Speaker 1: were like over on that couch bed thing. You guys
Speaker 1: were chatting, and then you were still talking to all
Speaker 1: the other girls, and then Christina and Klin are shot
Speaker 1: over at the bar where Klin's back is turned to Christina,
Speaker 1: and then Christina's talking. I think to Chris about like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, there was accusations of thing. I don't
Speaker 1: I couldn't even really figure out what it was. But
Speaker 1: I'm confused because if you and Christina were on good terms,
Speaker 1: why would you do that? It almost seems like she
Speaker 1: was jealous of Kalin being interested in you and then
Speaker 1: was talking poorly. But if you guys were on good
Speaker 1: terms and one of the best, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: was a little I was a little confused on that.
Speaker 1: For the listeners, that's Tory are amazing producer who decides
Speaker 1: to charme in because she has a great point. She
Speaker 1: makes a great point and she lost. She lost Bachelor
Speaker 1: everything Bachelor related, so she knows she makes a great point.
Speaker 1: And I think that my response to that would be,
Speaker 1: I don't think that Christina was talking about me and her.
Speaker 1: I think she was referring to her and Blake. Was
Speaker 1: she not well, she was talking about Kalin. Christ From
Speaker 1: what I gathered from the conversation, Christina was having a
Speaker 1: conversation at the bar with Wells about how she, in
Speaker 1: a weird way, is responsible for the implosion of Calin
Speaker 1: and Blake's relationship at Stage Coach. That's how I perceived
Speaker 1: it at least, and how she and how she's inquiring
Speaker 1: about whether she should feel guilty about being responsible semi
Speaker 1: for that. Okay, so that was still on the Blake situation.
Speaker 1: The wrong I could be What do you think shown
Speaker 1: it in a different way and a different light to
Speaker 1: make it seem as if she was talking poorly about Klin.
Speaker 1: It did sound like she was talking poorly about Kalin, right,
Speaker 1: But I don't know why. I'm not saying that that
Speaker 1: she wasn't doing that, but I'm saying she was talking
Speaker 1: poorly about Calin in regards to her and Blake, not
Speaker 1: her and me. And then when Christine and I were
Speaker 1: talking on the day bed are private conversation private whatever
Speaker 1: are solo conversation over there? I think that maybe Calin
Speaker 1: had just heard Christina talking about the Blake situation, and
Speaker 1: then she would maybe see me having a conversation with
Speaker 1: Christina solo over in that area, so she would assume
Speaker 1: that Christina is talking poorly about Klin to me about
Speaker 1: Blake and their former relationships. And I I think that's
Speaker 1: what I that's what I gathered from it at least, Um,
Speaker 1: what do you think? I don't know. I just thought
Speaker 1: it was weird that if you guys had talked being like, hey,
Speaker 1: I want the best for you and everything, and obviously
Speaker 1: this was before your date with Kalin. But I just
Speaker 1: think it's weird that there was like so much drama
Speaker 1: circulating around that still well, it almost seemed like competitive
Speaker 1: rather than still talking about Blake. But that's how I
Speaker 1: interpreted it. It It almost seemed like you hit the sand
Speaker 1: and then tensions like rose. I guess I should point
Speaker 1: out that I was the one that said I wanted
Speaker 1: the best for Christina, and her response kind of echoed
Speaker 1: my sentiment, but it was a lot shorter, so I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was quite as uh, if it
Speaker 1: was quite as meaningful from her. I think that there
Speaker 1: are no feelings either way for me and Christina when
Speaker 1: I walked into that beach. But again, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: it just reminds her or reminds me, maybe just brings
Speaker 1: back to old memories of like weirdly better times like
Speaker 1: between her and I where we were like interested in
Speaker 1: each other. Obviously like it didn't go well down on
Speaker 1: that beach. Maybe it just is like a PTSD thing
Speaker 1: where she like then relates to that beach in my
Speaker 1: presence on that beach, to these like super strong emotional feelings,
Speaker 1: and because of that, then she's like having an outburst
Speaker 1: to wells at the beach with Kaylin's back turned right
Speaker 1: there clearly in ear shot, like it was very it
Speaker 1: was very weird. Don't get me wrong, it was weird.
Speaker 1: It was just weird timing. I mean, clearly there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of tension around Blake, but it just seemed
Speaker 1: even more direct once you hit the the beach. So
Speaker 1: I was just wondering, like, what was your guys conversation
Speaker 1: when you guys were over there so we didn't get
Speaker 1: to see it. She Christina loves uh as you can
Speaker 1: tell by her introduction. She loves spilling the tea as
Speaker 1: the kids are calling it these days. And so I
Speaker 1: pulled her aside and I figured it was it was
Speaker 1: a good conversation to have right off the bat, to
Speaker 1: be like to kind of clear the air, break the ice,
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, what's up, Good to see you again.
Speaker 1: What's been going on? Like she and then she filled
Speaker 1: me in like, oh, this is what's going on with Blake.
Speaker 1: He's kind of in this pickle with all these women.
Speaker 1: This is what's going on with Clay and Nicole. This
Speaker 1: is what's going on with Cam and Kalin and Mike
Speaker 1: and Kalin and all these people. So it was kind
Speaker 1: of more of just like a filmy and sort of thing,
Speaker 1: and it really wasn't like a like there's never any
Speaker 1: real possibility of like Christina and I going on that day,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I think she knew that.
Speaker 1: I think it was just kind of like a friendly, platonic,
Speaker 1: amicable like, this is what's going on, this is what's happening.
Speaker 1: That's how I took it. At least, I'm surprised I
Speaker 1: didn't airny that conversation. Actually it was just basically muted
Speaker 1: shots of us having a conversation. Yeah, it's um long
Speaker 1: distance shots with like all the girls who are interested
Speaker 1: in you, with you guys in the background. All the
Speaker 1: girls that are interested in me, all of them, every
Speaker 1: single one of them, All all of them on that
Speaker 1: beach were interested in the mustache. Wait, I want to
Speaker 1: know why did you pick Katie first to talk to
Speaker 1: And the reason I picked up Katie to walk away
Speaker 1: to take her to have a conversation with her was
Speaker 1: because I was like, hey, kay, let's go have a conversation.
Speaker 1: And she goes, oh, you're not gonna like grab my
Speaker 1: hand and and like walked me over to the day bed.
Speaker 1: And I felt bad, and so I turned around. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh. So I picked her up
Speaker 1: and I ran her over. That was my response to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seemed as if like you came in your life
Speaker 1: full band or two, picking girls up and like going
Speaker 1: to talk to them. I was like, gig get it
Speaker 1: probably crossing some lines, some like personal boundary lines. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it was fun. Um. I find there was so much
Speaker 1: like let's say Blake and Kinda and Blake and I
Speaker 1: don't even know whether girls that he had history with.
Speaker 1: He came in with his story with some of the women.
Speaker 1: Did you come in with any history between you and kalenx.
Speaker 1: I feel like there was a lot of spark. Well,
Speaker 1: Caitlin d m me Once upon a time a year ago,
Speaker 1: last July. Yeah, I would say last July. We had
Speaker 1: a very brief conversation. We talked about this on the
Speaker 1: podcast before. Remember she slid to the d m S.
Speaker 1: We meant to meet up for coffee and never ended
Speaker 1: up happening. Then it became a big deal on women
Speaker 1: till all. Then I reached back out to her and
Speaker 1: I was like, a just so you know, like I
Speaker 1: have to talk about the the d m S slide
Speaker 1: from last year. It's it's obviously super innocuous, like nothing
Speaker 1: really came of it. There's nothing like to be embarrassed about.
Speaker 1: But I just want to make it clear to you
Speaker 1: that I'm talking about it on my podcast this week.
Speaker 1: And she goes, oh, yeah, of course it's fine, Like
Speaker 1: I get it, obviously, have to speak your truth, whatever
Speaker 1: it is. And then we met in person, like in passing. Uh.
Speaker 1: I was at a meeting with my potential management company
Speaker 1: and she's repped. She's repped by the same company, and
Speaker 1: she was like going to an event and she was
Speaker 1: in the lobby and I had just finished a podcast
Speaker 1: there and we like stopped or like we passed by
Speaker 1: each other, and I was like, oh, it's nice to
Speaker 1: meet you in person for the first time ever. And
Speaker 1: then that was the end of it. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: walked down to the beach, and I guess I was
Speaker 1: kind of most interested in taking her on the date. Um.
Speaker 1: You don't really get to see much of our conversation either, obviously,
Speaker 1: just little snippets of it. And it's I always get
Speaker 1: so piste off at myself when I'm sitting on those
Speaker 1: day beds having a one on one conversation with someone,
Speaker 1: and I decided to like lay down and lean over.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, I always do that, but in
Speaker 1: the moment it feels so right. But watching it back
Speaker 1: on television, I'm like, just sit up straight, you loser,
Speaker 1: and just like make eye contact. Why are you so
Speaker 1: bad at eye contact all the time? So it's more
Speaker 1: like a ghost suave move like Christian did that too.
Speaker 1: What do you think of Christian? Mm hmm. Very looking guy,
Speaker 1: very good looking guy, but he needs to tone it
Speaker 1: down a little bit. And you don't find him be
Speaker 1: looking forward. She's like, I don't know, I don't think
Speaker 1: so at all. Really now I find him like that.
Speaker 1: What is he is? He? Um? Is he Cuban or
Speaker 1: she Cuban's mean, he's Mexican. I don't know. I like
Speaker 1: the swag that he has, but he needs to tone
Speaker 1: it down a little bit and a little a lot aggressive.
Speaker 1: That's that's a huge turn off. He's heavy with the
Speaker 1: passion for sure. Yeah. And I think it also comes from,
Speaker 1: you know, an insecurity because he got booted off What
Speaker 1: Night w all right, So it's like him trying to
Speaker 1: come and redeem himself. And I don't know, there's there's
Speaker 1: a lot that goes on after Actually a psychology a
Speaker 1: psychologist told me that once the men get off of
Speaker 1: the Bachelor, they feel like, oh, well, I'm the statable
Speaker 1: guy and I can get all these multiple women and
Speaker 1: you know, and then women that get off the show
Speaker 1: don't have a major transition coming off of the show. Um,
Speaker 1: so it's not that big of an impact on their
Speaker 1: dating life. As opposed to men, it's like a free
Speaker 1: for all. They think that they can be the Bachelor
Speaker 1: off of being being a bachelor. And you say, you
Speaker 1: think Christian was afflicted by that kind of thing. I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, there's like this macho side to
Speaker 1: him that it's covering up something else because you know,
Speaker 1: you don't need to be that aggressive. You have the
Speaker 1: looks like you had. He was a professional soccer player,
Speaker 1: Like he has a story. It's a compelling story. Girls
Speaker 1: find that sexy as it is. You don't have to
Speaker 1: go that extra mile to try to win someone over.
Speaker 1: Like he's like a soap He's like a soap opera
Speaker 1: star in Mexico or something like that too. He was.
Speaker 1: I think he's an active soap opera actor in Mexico,
Speaker 1: something like that. But I will say, what's funny is
Speaker 1: that interaction or the altercation with Clay at the end
Speaker 1: of the episode where Clay comes over and says, hey,
Speaker 1: like Nicole, I just want to talk to you for
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes. I got something to tell you,
Speaker 1: and Nicole goes, I don't really know what to do.
Speaker 1: Clay like, I'm uncomfortable, and then Clay leaves and Christian
Speaker 1: says something along the lines of I'm a nice guy,
Speaker 1: but just don't get me angry. And whenever someone says
Speaker 1: that they're not a nice guy, right like, if you
Speaker 1: have that much of a temper problem, you're probably not.
Speaker 1: I don't like it, Just doesn't you don't if you
Speaker 1: need to tell someone that, then there's probably bigger issues
Speaker 1: lying underneath. Would you agree with I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: English is first language. I would probably say span I mean,
Speaker 1: he speaks English obviously perfectly, but I think Spanish is
Speaker 1: his first language. Yeah, yeah, I don't because sometimes I
Speaker 1: want to communicate some thoughts and I'm like, I know
Speaker 1: this makes sense in another language, but I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if it's coming across as intelligently is if I would
Speaker 1: say it in another language. So I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just think that he has everything to like, you know,
Speaker 1: get a girl. He doesn't need to be that. That's
Speaker 1: that's a really interesting point you made, because I fullheartedly
Speaker 1: agree with it. Where you said men coming off the
Speaker 1: show have a bigger transition than women coming off the show,
Speaker 1: and I think, just to kind of reinforce that is,
Speaker 1: it's like it's a lot of mediocre, look like average looking,
Speaker 1: maybe slightly above average looking men that are coming off
Speaker 1: the show that then get glorified and put on this pedestal.
Speaker 1: But the women coming off the show are still they're
Speaker 1: beautiful whatever selves, and they're already highly sought after. But
Speaker 1: these men, these these sixes and sevens myself included in
Speaker 1: that list, obviously go from sixes and sevens to then
Speaker 1: like feel like nines and tens where they can just
Speaker 1: do whatever they want. I mean, look at Blake, for instance,
Speaker 1: this exact same thing happened to him. He was a
Speaker 1: six that turned into a ten overnight. I will say,
Speaker 1: though I love Dean with the long hair, that you're
Speaker 1: like a ten with the long hair with the short hair,
Speaker 1: was like, I didn't even recognize you. I think it's
Speaker 1: the most mixed thing I've ever experience, where so like
Speaker 1: it's so fifty people are like I love the long hair,
Speaker 1: it looks great. And then the other half were like, dude,
Speaker 1: you look so much better with short hair. Cut your
Speaker 1: hair again, Like you're doing yourself a disservice by having
Speaker 1: that long hair. I was actually thinking this morning as
Speaker 1: I was getting ready, I was like, man, I love
Speaker 1: my long hair. I don't think I'm ever going to
Speaker 1: cut it again. Um. But speaking of looks, Tyler from
Speaker 1: Hannah B season that is like he started as a
Speaker 1: ten and left as a twelve or well, wait, I
Speaker 1: really I really want to jump into the Tyler thing.
Speaker 1: But before we do that, let's take a quick break
Speaker 1: and then I want to hear all your thoughts about it.
Speaker 1: All right, Vanessa, So you think that Tyler went from
Speaker 1: a ten to a twelve? Yeah? Tyler? Okay. So if
Speaker 1: I'm looking physically at Tyler, I'm like, damn, Like it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, the sides here of his cheeks that go in.
Speaker 1: I guess that they're dimple. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: are dimples. Are they're not dimples? But that's beautiful. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm in a very loving and committed relationship, but he's
Speaker 1: just very good looking. Um, I found him a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't know if if it was his persona. But
Speaker 1: I found him a little bit too soft when it
Speaker 1: came to like the constant, like you know, not having
Speaker 1: an opinion on certain things. Um, And I'm like, was
Speaker 1: that his persona or like like I want to crack down,
Speaker 1: like who's a real Tyler? Um? But you know, his
Speaker 1: looks get in the way and you're like, oh, he's beautiful,
Speaker 1: he's perfect, And then you find out he's dating Gigi Hadid, right, supermodel,
Speaker 1: supermodel who was dating. Wasn't she dating Zane the singer? Yes? Yes, Okay, well, okay,
Speaker 1: g g stunning is not. I mean, here's here's my
Speaker 1: opinion on this. I'm such a Tyler c stan. I
Speaker 1: think that he could do better than Gid. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: who's her than? I don't know, but I know that
Speaker 1: person is out there. Think of person, Think of a
Speaker 1: person that's better than look wise, I mean, I don't know. Personally,
Speaker 1: that's a tough one. Looks beautiful, Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: I think she's a stunning, stunning girl, but I still
Speaker 1: think Tyler could do better. So do you know Tyler personally?
Speaker 1: Never met him. I don't know a single thing about it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like who is he, like, what is he?
Speaker 1: What's his personality like? Other than like I think Easton
Speaker 1: might have met him. I've met him. I've spent time
Speaker 1: with him. Um, and I will tell you this. He
Speaker 1: he told me and everyone else who listens to the
Speaker 1: almost famous podcast that his his number one selebt me
Speaker 1: crashes Jessica Alba from the movie Into the Blue. So
Speaker 1: I think that's the character He's gonna Bikinia the whole
Speaker 1: time she is. She gets spanked by Paul Walker under
Speaker 1: the ocean. That's who he's got to go for it.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Jessica Alba post but she has
Speaker 1: kids now from Into the Blue like the character. If
Speaker 1: anyone's going to travel back in time to day Jessic
Speaker 1: Alaba from Into the Blue, it's Tyler from The Bachelorette. Um,
Speaker 1: I will say. Obviously spending the weekend with Nick, Nick
Speaker 1: and I are close friends. He I was giving him
Speaker 1: a lot of crap. I go, damn, did you you
Speaker 1: replace me with Tyler C. You're posting all these pictures
Speaker 1: with Tyler C and joking he goes, He goes, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how you get the engagement obviously, but he was
Speaker 1: he was speaking him up. He said, Tyler he's a
Speaker 1: great guy, but he's also just a guy, like he's
Speaker 1: a guy from the show, or he's a guy that
Speaker 1: went on the Bachelorette. So it's like we always kind
Speaker 1: of build up these lofty, lofty expectations of these people
Speaker 1: we see on TV. I mean, obviously you can attest
Speaker 1: to that, like and then you meet them in person
Speaker 1: and she's kind of like, oh, you're just a regular person.
Speaker 1: But Tyler SE's underwear campaigns, underwear modeling top notch. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't even wear underwear, and I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: buying whatever underwear that is just in an effort to
Speaker 1: look more like Tyler Ce. And he's got away with
Speaker 1: the words. I don't know, if what what would be
Speaker 1: your advice for him, Banessa? Would you want him to
Speaker 1: be the Bachelor or do you think he should maintain
Speaker 1: pursuing gig adid You know, when I found out that
Speaker 1: he was dating, I was so happy for him because
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, get it, Like you're that good looking,
Speaker 1: you seem like a really good guy, Like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: should be get get to you should be dating someone
Speaker 1: that's at your level. But then I was also like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I really wanted him to be the Bachelor. I personally
Speaker 1: selfishly wanted to see him on my screen and be like,
Speaker 1: who is he going? Like how is he going to
Speaker 1: be able to interact with like all these women because
Speaker 1: he was so into Hannity and so selfishly I wanted
Speaker 1: him to be the Bachelor. Um, but also like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're dating Gig, then you're in You're
Speaker 1: in the circle now, like you can be dating whoever
Speaker 1: you want. You don't need the assistance. What do you think?
Speaker 1: What do you think? G seas in Tyler, that's that's
Speaker 1: interesting for her? Him and underwear. Yeah, that's that Gus.
Speaker 1: It's enough, huh, because I mean you gotta think about it.
Speaker 1: Can date is already in that circle? She could get
Speaker 1: whoever she wants. She's like the most sought after supermodel
Speaker 1: in the world. And then it's like, why why are
Speaker 1: you dating a guy from The Bachelor? You know? But
Speaker 1: there's a lot. I mean, I feel like the sell
Speaker 1: Pretty world and the Baschel world has kind of intertwined
Speaker 1: with um. Please help me out here. I'm having a
Speaker 1: blank Wells and Sarah now engaged like she's a pretty
Speaker 1: big actress. Um. And then who else dated someone in
Speaker 1: the in the well didn't Nick Jannuary Jones or apparently
Speaker 1: her friends or whatever. But even at that that was like,
Speaker 1: go Nick, Like she's stunning. So I don't know, I
Speaker 1: feel like that I would say singer, I'd say Chris
Speaker 1: Lane's out kicking his coverage with that one. I think
Speaker 1: Lauren's a step up, absolutely, But but he's outside of
Speaker 1: the like he's like a celebrity outside of the Bachelor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I suppose. I suppose. I feel like as time go on,
Speaker 1: as time goes on, the Bachelor World and the Bachelor
Speaker 1: franchise and the fame that comes with it is getting
Speaker 1: like I thought it was going to somehow like stop,
Speaker 1: but it's just getting bigger and bigger. People coming off
Speaker 1: of the show are getting large amounts of followers, um,
Speaker 1: and the fame attached to that is much higher than
Speaker 1: when I was on the show. Then when when you
Speaker 1: were on the show. So I don't know, I feel
Speaker 1: like it is crazy. It is crazy it gets bigger
Speaker 1: and bigger because it's like it kind of makes you
Speaker 1: question and wonder what's going to be happening for it
Speaker 1: moving forward, because like there's obviously like the underlying suspicion
Speaker 1: that everyone's going on the show just to become quote
Speaker 1: unquote pseudo famous right overnight, and like the bigger that grows,
Speaker 1: the more potential each person has into going into the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you think, Yeah, I think people going on
Speaker 1: the show obviously there's something in the back of the
Speaker 1: mind that's like, Oh, I can get all these followers
Speaker 1: and make this money and get all these cool opportunities.
Speaker 1: But then once you're in the bubble, it does become
Speaker 1: really real, it does become really emotional, it does have
Speaker 1: a toll on your psychological well being, and then they
Speaker 1: might think, like, maybe it wasn't the greatest idea to
Speaker 1: do this for the wrong reasons, or to do this
Speaker 1: for the fame, because anything that's attached to things that
Speaker 1: have such power, like fame and money, there's downfalls to it. Well,
Speaker 1: So on that note, then, speaking of like former Bachelor
Speaker 1: contestants stating celebrities, what do you think my odds of
Speaker 1: landing Miley Cyrus are? Well, Now, she's into women, so
Speaker 1: I think zero. I think she's fluid. I think she's
Speaker 1: kind of just moving open to things she's like Demi.
Speaker 1: You know, she likes women when she likes women, she
Speaker 1: likes men when she likes men, she likes them both
Speaker 1: when she likes them both. Pans sexual when you're into
Speaker 1: someone's energy and you're not you can categorize as by
Speaker 1: or as heterosexual. You're just gating someone because like you
Speaker 1: feel their energy. What do you call it pan sexual? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't know that could be true. Let's see pan
Speaker 1: sexual defined on Wikipedia is not limited in sexual choice
Speaker 1: with regard to biological sex, gender, or gender identity. A
Speaker 1: pan sexual person, So I think that means, yeah, you
Speaker 1: maybe are just attracted to energy. And I think that
Speaker 1: would also span two gender ambiguous people as well, right,
Speaker 1: like if you're interested in them like trans and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Yeah, well, back to Miley. I'll
Speaker 1: take Liam or Miley Liam. I'm sure we're really sad
Speaker 1: and upset by the breakup, but also like, hey, Liam
Speaker 1: is now single. In this situation, I am a percent
Speaker 1: by partisan. I would take you there. Of them, I
Speaker 1: would too, I mean they're both great. I met them
Speaker 1: both and they were amazing. So well, because I'm friends
Speaker 1: of Brandy and it was I don't wonder whose birthday.
Speaker 1: It was I think it was her mom's birthday, and
Speaker 1: we celebrated their birthday together and they were very down
Speaker 1: to earth and like super chill. So um. But speaking
Speaker 1: of Miley, So, Miley and Liam broke up? They did
Speaker 1: they split or they did they get separated or divorced?
Speaker 1: Because they got married not long ago, about a year ago.
Speaker 1: They've been dating for a long time. I want to
Speaker 1: say nine years or something mild like that. Um, some
Speaker 1: say it was divorce and some say it was a split,
Speaker 1: but allegedly was um initiated by Miley. Okay, and then
Speaker 1: Miley went off to Italy with Caitlin Carter, who is
Speaker 1: Brodie Jenner's ex wife, and they were spotted smooching it
Speaker 1: up on a yacht before the news came out that
Speaker 1: Miley and Liam got divorced. Caitlyn Carter is her name,
Speaker 1: Caitlyn Carter? Yeah? Does she have an Instagram? I looked
Speaker 1: it up but I can't find her. Yeah, she has
Speaker 1: an Instagram account. She's also very beautiful blonde hair. Was So,
Speaker 1: how does that mean? How would that make you feel? Like,
Speaker 1: let's say, obviously God forbidness ever happening. Let's say Josh
Speaker 1: dumps you and then Josh begins dating a boy like
Speaker 1: another guy. Does that make it easier for you to
Speaker 1: move on? Or is that? Like? Because I was thinking
Speaker 1: about this actually when we were watching Paradise last night.
Speaker 1: Even to bring it back to that for a quick second,
Speaker 1: is when Demi was telling Derek she was dating someone
Speaker 1: back home for the past six months or however long,
Speaker 1: and she said that it was a woman. I think
Speaker 1: that the fact that she was dating a woman helps
Speaker 1: soften the blow for Derek to be like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: kind of I'm okay with this, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I would personally feel. I think
Speaker 1: whether it's a man or a woman, it'd be hard
Speaker 1: to see someone that you love move on either. In
Speaker 1: this case, it seems like it was quickly, but they
Speaker 1: may have decided to split and get divorced before the
Speaker 1: news came out, so I don't time it is. So
Speaker 1: that's why I don't want to have an opinion on it,
Speaker 1: because they may have decided to have been divorced, like
Speaker 1: they may have been divorced already a month ago, and
Speaker 1: she goes on vacation and then you know, the news
Speaker 1: came out after their picture was out. I think what helps,
Speaker 1: maybe for Liam two, is the fact that Liam and
Speaker 1: Caitlin are like super super different, Like Liam's this hunky,
Speaker 1: beautiful man, Caitlin's like this beautiful, dainty woman. So it's
Speaker 1: like if Miley went from hunky beautiful hulkey and to
Speaker 1: other hocky beautiful, hunky man, then you kind of be like, well,
Speaker 1: what like what did I do that wasn't good enough?
Speaker 1: But now he can kind of look at it through
Speaker 1: the lens of saying like it wasn't necessarily maybe me
Speaker 1: that's a faultier. It was just like her taste changed. Perhaps. Well,
Speaker 1: the question for you, Vanessa is how long after a
Speaker 1: breakup is it okay to post a picture with a
Speaker 1: new significant other? In your eyes? God, um, I feel like,
Speaker 1: no matter when that picture comes out, was always going
Speaker 1: to be this initial sting, whether that's a week later,
Speaker 1: a month later, a year later, it's like, oh ship
Speaker 1: the person bound someone else, and like you kind of
Speaker 1: you're you know, you could get over someone very quickly.
Speaker 1: Because a relationship ends before it ends, it actually ends,
Speaker 1: so in there's never really a right time. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't really get mad at your X for having
Speaker 1: found someone else, better that they found someone else a
Speaker 1: week after your relationship ended, as opposed to like why
Speaker 1: your relationship was still going on. I guess it kind
Speaker 1: of helps you move on to like right, like Liam
Speaker 1: seeing Miley move on so quickly probably helping him move on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it could also just beat listen. I'm not comparing
Speaker 1: anyone to Kevin Hart, but I went to see Kevin
Speaker 1: Kevin Hart Show, and he was basically saying how he
Speaker 1: has become a prisoner of his own success. He's like,
Speaker 1: sometimes I go into three different cars before I leave
Speaker 1: my house so that paparazzi don't follow me and that
Speaker 1: they don't track whatever I'm doing, and then make up
Speaker 1: a story about it. In this case, apparently Miley and
Speaker 1: Caitlin were just having fun. So maybe they were just
Speaker 1: exploring each other's front step and maybe they were just
Speaker 1: having fun. And that's literally it just ended after that kiss.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is I saw Brandy posting a
Speaker 1: lot about Caitlin and Miley on their trip to wherever
Speaker 1: they are, and I never, honestly, I didn't know that
Speaker 1: Miley and Caitlin are having fun quote unquote until hosting
Speaker 1: this podcast I was just looking at it and I
Speaker 1: saw the pictures. I was like, Oh, it's just a
Speaker 1: bunch of girls on a boat having fun and Italy
Speaker 1: or whatever the heck they are. I never heard a
Speaker 1: second thought that Miley and then we're like dating. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean either. I thought it was just like girls
Speaker 1: going on vacation anyways. So you think it's just different,
Speaker 1: I guess because it's like, obviously the relationship could have
Speaker 1: been over for a long time privately, but then publicly
Speaker 1: what we see is Liam and Miley split a week ago,
Speaker 1: and now Miley's with this new person. So that's like
Speaker 1: the tricky thing. And I agree with you. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know, I don't want to obviously, like
Speaker 1: it kind of sucks. Using your situation is example. I
Speaker 1: obviously I have this same kind of situation. But it's
Speaker 1: like you and Nick split up, and then you you
Speaker 1: probably like three weeks later, a month later is when
Speaker 1: you finally decide to announce it. Maybe I don't know
Speaker 1: that the exact timeline, but it's like you split up
Speaker 1: and then it's not like you're that same day announcing
Speaker 1: that you guys split up, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So It's like there's a lot more going on behind
Speaker 1: the closed doors that we don't really tend to see. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: well do you want to do this email? We have
Speaker 1: one email from Janica. It's about me, so I kind
Speaker 1: of feel weird reading it, but Easton can read it
Speaker 1: for us. That's right, Deane, I can read. Uh, this
Speaker 1: is from like you said, Jannica, Dean, do you think
Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation has a love hate relationship with you? It
Speaker 1: seems like people love and hate you at the same time.
Speaker 1: Ben Higgins is just forever lovable, even though he told
Speaker 1: two women he loved them. And you could argue that
Speaker 1: Jared made some mistakes when it came to timing with Ashley,
Speaker 1: But when people think of Dean, they could go either way.
Speaker 1: Do you guys think this is the case? And if so, Dean,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about it? But I said you
Speaker 1: want to feel this one first. I want to say something.
Speaker 1: It's all amount of perception. So Janica probably has like
Speaker 1: this perception of you, and you know when you like
Speaker 1: you're remember at one point I really wanted kids and
Speaker 1: all I kept seeing was like women in baby strowlers,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my, Like all that's all
Speaker 1: I see. So I feel like it's all a matter
Speaker 1: of perception. So if I personally don't feel like there's
Speaker 1: that many people that he Dean, I think that obviously
Speaker 1: that has happened in the past with you last year
Speaker 1: on Paradise, like has it had tainted your image? But
Speaker 1: now it's like, who really cares about that anymore? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just personally feel like, um, when people
Speaker 1: want to focus on something that is negative, that's all
Speaker 1: they'll end up reading, all they'll end up seeing. I
Speaker 1: remember when I had posted when I first got off
Speaker 1: the show. My friends kept scrolling through my comments and
Speaker 1: they were ignoring all the nice comments and then like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this person said this mean thing about you,
Speaker 1: and scrolling oh my god, this person says something to me,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, but you're ignoring all the good stuff,
Speaker 1: like focus on the negative. So I personally feel like
Speaker 1: there is this major like push and pull in the
Speaker 1: Bachelor franchise or the Bachelor of World for Dean. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just such a Dean fan, that's why.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, what are you talking about? Your wife's
Speaker 1: beyond your years, Vanessa, You're making a lot of sense
Speaker 1: right now. Maybe mine is the whole uh team Dean thing,
Speaker 1: which I appreciate, and I'm always team Vanessa as well.
Speaker 1: I think here on they help I suck a dating podcast.
Speaker 1: We're always team each other, right. One thing I guess
Speaker 1: my take on this is two years ago when the
Speaker 1: whole Paradise thing was happening, and I went from very
Speaker 1: similar to Blake situation. You went from the beloved on
Speaker 1: your season to them like the heavily scrutin eyes on
Speaker 1: the season that's airing. And I hated being the person
Speaker 1: that everyone hated. And the reason I obviously like that
Speaker 1: makes sense, right, Like no one wants to be disliked
Speaker 1: by everyone. What was challenging looking back on it now,
Speaker 1: obviously with the clearer that I have now, is I
Speaker 1: was trying to be someone I wasn't to gain the
Speaker 1: approval of people that I'll never meet in my life,
Speaker 1: and that really was what's frustrating for me. And even
Speaker 1: though I was like trying to gain the approval of strangers,
Speaker 1: and that was probably after the fact, right, Like I
Speaker 1: wasn't actively doing that while I was filming, but I
Speaker 1: was like I wanted to like obviously fix my mistakes,
Speaker 1: but I was trying to change who I was to
Speaker 1: make other people happy. And that's when I look back
Speaker 1: on and see and and view as really frustrating. So
Speaker 1: what's what's good about now is I am who I am,
Speaker 1: and I have much better understanding of who I am
Speaker 1: as a person, Like I'm much more confident in myself
Speaker 1: and I think I have a much stronger identity than
Speaker 1: I used to. And so now it's like people don't
Speaker 1: like me, I don't really care, Like, don't like you
Speaker 1: don't have to like me, but like the person that
Speaker 1: you're not liking is who I am, the person as
Speaker 1: opposed to before the person they weren't liking was meat
Speaker 1: a favor person actively trying to be someone else, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So now it's like it's their
Speaker 1: decision whether they like me or not. But I don't
Speaker 1: care whether they're like me or not because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to understand more about who I am. Right,
Speaker 1: I think that's great advice to give people, even who
Speaker 1: are not on the show. I think we're cost me
Speaker 1: trying to look for people's approval, which is why we're
Speaker 1: posting certain pictures are addressing a certain way or acting
Speaker 1: a certain way at the end of the day, or
Speaker 1: screenshotting text messages and putting them on Instagram. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: doing that. No, No, I don't know. It's just it's
Speaker 1: it's a funny. It's a funny world where especially with
Speaker 1: reality TV, it's a little bit different than acting. Where
Speaker 1: As actors and maybe like singers and songwriters and all
Speaker 1: these people they get they garner fans through their talent
Speaker 1: and their ability, and they're gathering fans through like the
Speaker 1: characters that they play for us on screen. But as
Speaker 1: a reality TV personality, you're getting ants through who you
Speaker 1: are like as a person, right, And so because of that,
Speaker 1: I feel like we kind of have this inklingk to
Speaker 1: like make people want to like us more. But it's
Speaker 1: it's just like a tricky thing to navigate because none
Speaker 1: of us are really prepared for it. And then when
Speaker 1: things don't start going our way, then you like start
Speaker 1: backpedaling and you you feel like you're maybe like losing
Speaker 1: grasp of yourself. So, I don't know, Also scary when
Speaker 1: you know how your opinion could be twisted in a
Speaker 1: way that makes you look bad. You know, if you're
Speaker 1: opinionated about something, I feel like for me sometimes I
Speaker 1: have to second, I have to like double think of
Speaker 1: how I'm going to say without trying to insolve anyone,
Speaker 1: which is impossible to do. Somehow upset someone if you
Speaker 1: have an opinion on something. That's kind of what I've
Speaker 1: just upped caring about a lot of stuff. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say what I think, and a lot of
Speaker 1: times I'm going to say the opposite of what you think,
Speaker 1: just because it's the more fun thing to do. I
Speaker 1: like starting ship, I wouldn't think anything less. But anyways, Um,
Speaker 1: is there anything else you want to add? I think
Speaker 1: that's probably about do it for today's episode or this
Speaker 1: week's episode. How's everything in your life going? How's everything
Speaker 1: with Josh? Everything is going really well? Um? My birthday
Speaker 1: is coming up, I mean not really, but at the
Speaker 1: end of September a little trip. What are we doing
Speaker 1: for it? Um, I'm not sure. I think he's planning
Speaker 1: a little getaway, a little romantic weekend getaway so that
Speaker 1: we could just reconnect because it's been really busy. He's
Speaker 1: in politics, so there's a bunch of like political things
Speaker 1: coming up that I don't understand. But he's been really
Speaker 1: with it all. Um, so things are good, things are
Speaker 1: going really good. How are things going in your life? Teany?
Speaker 1: Did you have a date at Jared and Ashley's wedding? Nope?
Speaker 1: I was by myself, was dancing with Nick. I posted
Speaker 1: a story about having a date, but she was married
Speaker 1: and she was just my uh coagulated bridesmaid what's the word?
Speaker 1: She was the bridemaid that I walked down the aisle. Basically,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you collagulated. Maybe you could have made
Speaker 1: sense in that situation. But what's funny actually is that
Speaker 1: view that story like got a lot of views, right
Speaker 1: or having many story views you get and like of
Speaker 1: the people that viewed that story clicked on her profile
Speaker 1: to see who she was. I just thought it was funny.
Speaker 1: I showed her with her I was like, hey, look
Speaker 1: like all these people are like trying to see who
Speaker 1: my hot date is. I just thought that was kind
Speaker 1: of funny. But um, the great thing about my dating
Speaker 1: life right now is you got to watch it every
Speaker 1: Monday and Tuesday night on Bachelor in Paradise on ABC.
Speaker 1: It's seven eighth Central at least until I find a
Speaker 1: way to mess it up, which knowing me it's inevitable. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's not a matter of if, but it's a matter
Speaker 1: of when. Um, But things are good. I'm happy things
Speaker 1: are always good, and I'm excited to continue to watch.
Speaker 1: Obviously there's gonna be ups and downs. That's kind of
Speaker 1: the funny thing is it's like knowing everything that we
Speaker 1: always know coming out of the season, like with how
Speaker 1: everything ends, it's still kind of tricky to watch it
Speaker 1: back because you kind of like relive the downs and
Speaker 1: relive the highs, and it's kind of tricky sometimes. But
Speaker 1: and like he said, I don't know what they're going
Speaker 1: to take out. You never know what they're gonna take out.
Speaker 1: You never know what they're gonna like put in, and
Speaker 1: and you never really know what people are saying about
Speaker 1: you in private interviews. And so it's just like to
Speaker 1: watch it back and see all that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: is tricky. And I'm not even saying for myself specifically,
Speaker 1: but like for our fellow cast members out there where
Speaker 1: it's like or even in a group chat for Paradise
Speaker 1: and DEMI will text us and be like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: I talked a lot of about all you just be
Speaker 1: ready for it. I love you, and it's like you
Speaker 1: kind of have to expect that you have to take
Speaker 1: everything everyone says with the grain of salt at all times,
Speaker 1: which I think that's like the most important thing that
Speaker 1: people watching the show can be doing. Um And Jared
Speaker 1: actually made a really good point a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and I think you and him were co hosting. I
Speaker 1: think I was gone, but I listened to it back
Speaker 1: and he said, you get assigned a character role when
Speaker 1: you go on these shows, and the audience will only
Speaker 1: see that character that the show wants you to play,
Speaker 1: and they're only going to show that uh, facet of
Speaker 1: your personality because that's what that's what they need to
Speaker 1: kind of paint the picture that they want to paint.
Speaker 1: It's a very one time, fnational version of yourself, right exactly.
Speaker 1: Um So yeah, but anyways, it'll be interesting to see
Speaker 1: myself back on screen. Like I said, this is the
Speaker 1: first season I stayed completely sober, so I like have
Speaker 1: a little bit more of excitement going into it. You
Speaker 1: didn't drink at all, one glass of wine two nights
Speaker 1: before bed. It's just to help me sleep better here
Speaker 1: for you, thanks and so so, yeah, I don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about like some drunk dumb things that I said,
Speaker 1: or making out with girls and pools while the other
Speaker 1: girls sitting there right next to me watching because I'm
Speaker 1: too drunk to realize what's going on. So that's gonna
Speaker 1: be all good. I Again, I know, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: like inserting myself in the drama a little bit with
Speaker 1: all this Blake stuff. But I can't just like sit
Speaker 1: back and not have a voice and stay silent on
Speaker 1: all this stuff. So it's been a it's been a
Speaker 1: tricky way to navigate it. But all in all, I'm
Speaker 1: hopeful for kind of it to be over and we
Speaker 1: can all move on from there. But yeah, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, whatever, you know, like we all
Speaker 1: because we're all in this and we all understand um
Speaker 1: the kind of backlash that can happen to us or
Speaker 1: to other people. We empathize with each other stories whether
Speaker 1: or not we agree with what we did. There's still
Speaker 1: that level of empathy, empathy towards people. Absolutely, all Right,
Speaker 1: well are you gonna be are we doing this next week?
Speaker 1: We're probably doing an episode next week. Right, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be gone next week. Where are you going? I'm going
Speaker 1: to be in Croatia, sailing around on a yacht. I
Speaker 1: think I told you guys this. I hope I did. No,
Speaker 1: I never know where you are in the world. If
Speaker 1: my text messages aren't going through, I'm Mike for sure.
Speaker 1: He's driving gone nowhere, somewhere. I'm flying this time. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be gone next week. So it probably might if
Speaker 1: Jared is still in a honeymoon, it might just be you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a good tory, me and you girls. I
Speaker 1: want to do another girls episode, girl chat, girl chat talk.
Speaker 1: I'm going to tune into that for sure. Anyways, thank
Speaker 1: you for listening. Thank you to our sponsors for helping
Speaker 1: support the podcast. Of course, thank you to our listeners. Um,
Speaker 1: if you want to be like Janica and email us
Speaker 1: questions concerns dating stories, I guess, especially while in paradises
Speaker 1: airing at least this is gonna Typically we don't talk
Speaker 1: about bachelor stuff, right, but like, while it's airing, I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of appropriate for for us to talk
Speaker 1: about a little bit. Email us at I suck at
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Speaker 1: like Janka had about being unlovable. It certainly is a
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Speaker 1: dating life or just funny stories that you have as well,
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Speaker 1: thank you to the sponsors already said that, big thank
Speaker 1: you to Vanessa. Congratulations to Jared and Ashley celebrating their honeymoon.
Speaker 1: And you guys are gonna kill it next week. I'm
Speaker 1: excited to listen. Thank you guys for listening. Be sure
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