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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Saturday, February fourteenth, and it was

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Speaker 1: a night of activity in the Nancy Guthrie case. Some

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Speaker 1: of that activity just wrapping up as we are recording

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Speaker 1: this morning on what is now two full week since

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Speaker 1: the last time anyone saw Nancy Guthrie with that. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. It was

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Speaker 1: we talked about a night of police activity, but it

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Speaker 1: was also a day of updates. Not quite the break bro,

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Speaker 1: but just some continued odd happenings, including TMZ getting another damn.

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Speaker 2: Note, Yeah, another note from TMZ. Police activity at a

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Speaker 2: home near Guthrie, at a home near Guthrie's home, and

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Speaker 2: then now there's also word about DNA at the home.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of clues are piling up, but we

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Speaker 2: don't have the clue that everybody is waiting for that

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Speaker 2: will lead us to where Nancy Guthrie is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get you updated here, folks. First again, overnight hours,

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Speaker 1: we're talking one to two in the morning, their local

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Speaker 1: time media at least started to notice activity, and in

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Speaker 1: particularly it was happening in two different places. One was

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Speaker 1: a home about two miles away, another was at a

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Speaker 1: vehicle that police are looking into I guess roads. Let's

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Speaker 1: start first with the home that's about two miles away.

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Speaker 1: We don't know whose home this is. We don't know

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Speaker 1: why police were there, but robes even the police have

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Speaker 1: come out and said in an official statement from Pima

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Speaker 1: County acknowledging that yes, there is activity related to the

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Speaker 1: Guthrie case.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they I believe, spent about four hours, according to

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Speaker 2: local reporters, inside that home searching it. And according to

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Speaker 2: the local Fox affiliate, they are reporting that sources have

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Speaker 2: told their newsroom that three people have been detained. We

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Speaker 2: don't have any official word, No authorities have come out

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Speaker 2: and confirmed that, but that is certainly getting picked up

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Speaker 2: and circulated all around the media now.

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Speaker 1: And again there's a lot of we've talked about this,

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Speaker 1: so the void, I guess, not being a lot of

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Speaker 1: official information sometimes and folks are filling in the blanks.

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Speaker 1: But this one is a little different, and we wanted

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Speaker 1: to pass this along because it is coming from Yes,

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Speaker 1: these are sources, and they're citing several sources, but this

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Speaker 1: is coming from Fox News. Fox News Digital is reporting this.

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Speaker 1: That is a legitimate agency that's worth taking note of.

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Speaker 1: They can just put out some bs. So to hear

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Speaker 1: that Robes after what the door dash guy was detained

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Speaker 1: earlier this week. They said to us in that moment,

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Speaker 1: you could probably expect more detainments.

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Speaker 2: And that's a really good point of perspective. So it

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that anyone has been arrested, doesn't mean they

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Speaker 2: found their guy.

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Speaker 3: They have said, this is very I guess in this.

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Speaker 2: Kind of a case, which is highly unusual, this is

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Speaker 2: fairly to be expected that you have to go through

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Speaker 2: this process of going after leads, following leads, and sometimes

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Speaker 2: that means detaining people to question them, to dig a

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Speaker 2: little deeper. It doesn't mean that they're necessarily involved in

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Speaker 2: the case, but they have to follow all leads and

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Speaker 2: where it takes.

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Speaker 1: Them, and you will see folks plenty of places that yes,

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Speaker 1: that will be the headline that three people were detained.

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Speaker 1: Nowes we caution by saying, yes, if they're checking something out,

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Speaker 1: you detain someone just meaning you almost just put them

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Speaker 1: in a corner. Sometimes you put it in handcuffs, but

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Speaker 1: you're under police detainment. The Robes, yeah, we don't have

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Speaker 1: official word about these folks. They could have nothing to

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Speaker 1: but Fox News is reporting that this was two men

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Speaker 1: and a woman, one of their moms actually involved in

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Speaker 1: this particular case. But that is what sources are telling

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Speaker 1: Fox News. The other thing robes, at least for the

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Speaker 1: searches go before we get to the TMZ note a

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Speaker 1: different location, a range rover was being checked out. Don't

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Speaker 1: know what any of that means, but they did that

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Speaker 1: thing again where they put up coverings and tarps and

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Speaker 1: they didn't want people to see their work. And it

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Speaker 1: seems that they have taken it was a range rover

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Speaker 1: Again what any of that means, But robes, tens of

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Speaker 1: thousands now of leads have come in.

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Speaker 3: This work is meticulous, My goodness.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the FBI says they have received thirteen thousand tips,

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Speaker 2: and the local Pima County Sheriff's Department says they've received

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Speaker 2: eighteen thousand tips. Hard to get your head around what

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Speaker 2: that involves in terms of police work and the man

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Speaker 2: hours and how you cannot just disregard any one lead.

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Speaker 2: You have to follow every single one of them and

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Speaker 2: into this investigation, it does seem like there is finally

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Speaker 2: did put out a statement. It didn't say much, but

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Speaker 2: they just acknowledge, yes, law enforcement activity is underway at

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Speaker 2: a residence they gave the address related to the Guthrie case.

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Speaker 2: Because this is a joint investigation at the request of

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Speaker 2: the FBI, no additional information is currently available.

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Speaker 1: So that is the latest official word as of this recording,

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Speaker 1: which is very early morning here on Saturday on the

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Speaker 1: much information robes and we don't know if it is

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Speaker 1: legit or not. Is coming from TMZ that has now

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Speaker 1: gotten at least five notes, two from someone claiming to

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Speaker 1: be the kidnapper trying to negotiate a ransom, and now

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Speaker 1: three robes we have a new one, three from someone

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Speaker 1: claiming to know who the kidnapper is but they want

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Speaker 1: money first. But now Robes they have changed how much

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Speaker 2: That means we know that at least this person is

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Speaker 2: following the news, and that's about as far as we

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Speaker 2: can take it. So there is yes, a new demand

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Speaker 2: for money. Remember this person who sent this initial email

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Speaker 2: said they wanted one bitcoin, which is roughly sixty six

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Speaker 2: sixty seven dollars. It was a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: head scratcher because of the FBI reward, and once it

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Speaker 2: was doubled to one hundred thousand, well that might have

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Speaker 2: prompted the new email, where now he says he wants

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Speaker 2: the one hundred thousand dollar reward. He says he wants

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Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars now and fifty thousand dollars after, and

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Speaker 2: he promises, I won't withdraw the fifty thousand until you

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Speaker 2: make that arrest.

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Speaker 3: That I am promising you. I can lead you straight.

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Speaker 2: To what what he's negotiating with the reward money, with

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Speaker 2: team information.

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Speaker 1: With Harvey Levin, What is going on now? If this

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Speaker 1: the family in pain? Unless maybe this person is not

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Speaker 2: It's either one of those too, because yes, he if

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Speaker 2: this this person is legit, let's just operate from that theory.

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Speaker 2: Then he or she is obviously stating that there are

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Speaker 2: reasons for them to be concerned to come forward with

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Speaker 2: this information, and so they need to, as they put earlier,

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Speaker 2: lay low to avoid any actual physical harm. Is what

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Speaker 2: it sounded like. They were concerned for their safety. But

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Speaker 2: this is strange. Why not negotiate directly with the FBI.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they don't trust police. Maybe they're afraid that the

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Speaker 2: and so they think if they involve TMZ, they've got

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Speaker 2: a public eye on what's going on, and there'll be

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Speaker 2: some sort of oversight in the process of them giving

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Speaker 2: this information. That's the only thing I can think of

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Speaker 2: other than it being a complete and total charlatan who's

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Speaker 2: just making a money grab or an attention grab.

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Speaker 1: Okay, they're not doing this out of the goodness of

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Speaker 1: their heart. That's fair right to say, this is not

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not going to suggest, but there

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Speaker 1: seems to be a way to anonymously rat this person

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Speaker 1: out without you having to get involved at all. If

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Speaker 1: you want the money, fine, But are they that fearful

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Speaker 1: person knows them and will know that it was you

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Speaker 1: that rated me out? Is that because to say, oh

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Speaker 1: the note, at least according to Harvey Levin, this person said,

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Speaker 1: I won't, you know, take the money until an arrest

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that is what it would appear to imply.

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Speaker 2: But again we're reading between the lines and we don't

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Speaker 2: have all the information. Harvey Levin made it clear, and

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Speaker 2: this is understandable. They turned over these emails to the police,

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Speaker 2: of the details. He only described, at least in one

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Speaker 2: of the emails those details as being chilling, But we

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Speaker 3: Did it seem to you that Harvey was taking these

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Speaker 3: emails very seriously?

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Speaker 1: It did to me, I mean they have to. He

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Speaker 1: has to. I mean he's seen the language more so

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Speaker 1: than we have. But any the stuff he's passed along

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Speaker 1: talking about her condition, that things have changed, that tones

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Speaker 1: have changed. You just use the word chilling. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: are you dealing with the real deal. No one has

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Speaker 1: confirmed whether any note sent in is from someone that

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Speaker 1: they credibly believe is involved in this case, and that

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Speaker 1: is just a mix of a mess, whereas the other

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Speaker 1: at least highlight here is that this latest writer who

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, this was a disturbing part of the email

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Speaker 2: that Harvey leven shared said that he will give information

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Speaker 2: for the manhunt of the main individual that can give

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Speaker 2: you all the answers and be prepared to go international.

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Speaker 1: It's several folks in the non in the US. What

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Speaker 1: is what the suggestion is.

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Speaker 2: The story just keeps getting more and more bizarre if

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Speaker 1: True, If this could be someone clowning trying to take advantage,

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Speaker 1: this is a bizarre way to go about it. The

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Speaker 1: other major thing robes again a confirmation just one step,

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Speaker 1: but it doesn't give us the next one. They say

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Speaker 1: there was somebody else in the house, and they know

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Speaker 1: that now because of DNA being found in the house,

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Speaker 1: don't have any idea who they hell it belongs to.

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Speaker 2: So the DNA didn't lead to anyone already in the system,

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Speaker 2: according to police, they say, it didn't lead anyone to

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Speaker 2: the suspect. But what it did do, and this has

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Speaker 2: got to be significant for the Guthrie family. It confirmed

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Speaker 2: that it was from someone other than obviously Nancy Guthrie,

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Speaker 2: but also confirmed that it was from someone other than

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Speaker 2: anyone close to her.

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Speaker 3: And so much suspicion.

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Speaker 2: Has been loosely and sometimes directly pointed towards members of

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Speaker 2: Guthrie's family. We certainly saw that early on in the investigation,

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Speaker 2: rumors people saying sources close to the investigation were pointing

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Speaker 2: the finger at some of Savannah's family members. This DNA

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Speaker 2: would seem to point in the other direction.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have the same thing. We don't know what

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Speaker 1: was the DNA, Where was it found? Was it blood?

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Speaker 1: Was its salava? Was saliva? Was it something else from

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Speaker 1: who know where? Was in the kitchen, in the bathroom,

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Speaker 2: That means they have so much information, they have so

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Speaker 3: Nothing makes sense. A motive doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: All we know is a man in a mask who's

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Speaker 2: And yes, we do watch a lot of true crime,

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Speaker 1: And that is what continues to play out here. We are, folks,

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Speaker 1: You make a good point. We need to caution here

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Speaker 1: Oh hey eight, because detained and release, detained and release

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Speaker 1: As always, we appreciate you spending time with us on TJ.

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Speaker 1: Holmes on behalf of my dear Amy Roboch. We'll talk

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