WEBVTT - The OTP | Draft Week with Rhett Lewis 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.680 This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:17.320 Need great healthcare coverage with an affordable price tag that 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:19.880 Farm Bureau Health Plans coach you through if they've been 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:24.040 protecting Tennessee AND's for seventy five years. I'm Mike Keith 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:29.440 joined by my second favorite rat. Yes, my number one 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:32.239 ret is Rhett Brian with Titans Radio who's been with 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:36.400 us for every step of Titans Radio. Rhet Lewis from 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.159 NFL Network. I hope you don't take that as an insult. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.360 You are my second favorite rat and I'm thrilled to 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.080 have you on the OTP. Thanks for the time, Mike, 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.320 thanks so much. I am used to being everyone's second 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:52.000 favorite rhet because usually everyone's most favorite rhet is, of course, 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.520 Rhet Butler. But I will, I will take number two. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:59.160 And how many people call you Brett? So many, so 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.280 many that I stopped correcting. It's that's it's just fine 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.479 with me at this point. Whatever you want to call me, 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.240 that's what we do to Rhett Brian. We refer to 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:11.759 him as Brett Ryan. Many so many people get it wrong. 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.039 We're just like that. That should be what you change 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:18.160 your name to. But anyway, names aside, names are the 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.240 story of the week as we're about to draft some 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:25.480 players in the NFL. And you've been on every show 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:29.360 on NFL Network for the past two months. You've been 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:33.840 a host, you've been a panelist, you've been a guest. 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:38.080 You are the utility man for the Dodgers in terms 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.960 of what you're doing for draft coverage. How hard has 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:46.280 it been? So here's the thing, Um, I love this 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:49.520 time of year. So I grew up a tortured Saints fan. Okay, 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.560 down in New Orleans, Mike, So like draft time was 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.560 our super Bowl. Like I used to skip class, you know, 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:57.600 in fifth and sixth grade, meet my friends in the 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.880 library and we'd be filling out mock drafts. So this 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.280 is what I love, the hopefulness of this time. Everybody's 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.480 got a chance right now, Mike, and these thirty two 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.079 picks of the first round are going to be big 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:12.480 pieces to continuing that hope into the summer and into 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:14.200 the fall for so many of these teams. So I 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.639 love college football. I love learning about these players, learning 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.200 about their stories, and I love projecting them where they're 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:23.720 going to go. Your dad is a legendary figure among 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:27.400 the Saints. He was the longtime trainer. He's been saving 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.960 care of the Saints for seemingly a hundred years. Right. 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.600 He was thirty two years with the Saints. He got 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:38.240 two with the Washington Commanders now and then eight with 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:42.480 the Detroit Lions, so just over four one years. Yeah. Wow, 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.720 we're a football family, Mike, you are a football family. Indeed, 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:48.360 let's talk a couple of names, and I want to 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:51.720 talk mas Jim Wyatt, who writes for the Titans at 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.160 Tennessee Titans dot com. We referred to him as the 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:59.160 legendary Jim Wyatt. Of course, he took thirty five maks 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.880 on Monday Day of Draft week, and he does this 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.280 wide scale. So five of the mocks had the Titans 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:10.000 at number twenty six, taking Johan Dotson from Penn Steak. 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:15.080 Four of the mocks had the Titans taking wide receiver 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:21.040 Treylan Burke's Arkansas, offensive tackle Bernhard Ryman, Central Michigan offensive 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:25.360 tackle Tyler Smith Tulsa. Three of the mocks had the 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:30.600 Titans taking linebacker Nakobe Dean Georgia, guard Kenyon Greene, Texas 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:34.520 a and m linebacker Devin Lloyd Utah. Two of the 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:38.600 mocks had the Titans taking edge rusher Jermaine Johnson from 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:43.160 Florida State and guard Zion Johnson from Boston College. And 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:47.880 then one of the mocks, Apiece had the Titans select 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:52.320 cornerback Andrew Booth Clemson, tight end Trade McBride, Colorado State, 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:59.960 cornerback Trent McDuffie, Washington quarterback Kenny Pickett, Pittsburgh quarterback Desmond Ritter, 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:05.640 Cincinnati wide receiver Christian Watson North Dakota State, and wide 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:09.080 receiver Garrett Wilson Ohio State. Which one are you of 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.360 the thirty five? So, Mike, that's a lot of different 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.960 names there for jay Rod to choose from on Thursday night. 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:19.040 So here's here is my thought, because there's a lot. 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:20.600 I feel like there is a lot of different ways 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:24.039 to go, and those final ten picks of the first 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.880 round always such a wild card, right because these are 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.840 better teams that don't have glaring needs, and the Titans 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:33.039 certainly fit that in my eyes. So I went with 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:37.920 quarterback Desmond Ritter. So and just take a breath, Titans fans, 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.160 let's just play this out here for just a second. 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.440 Ryan Tannehill is your starter in twenty twenty two. The 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.440 fit with Ryan Tannehill in this offense, I think is 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:49.680 as good as we've seen from a from a player 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:53.120 coming at that position, coming to a new team and excelling. 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.320 He's been great. But at some point you do want 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.680 to think about the future here, and look, Ryan's gonna 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.160 be thirt five going into the twenty twenty three season, 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:03.680 going to be coming up on the need for a 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.200 new contract at that point. As well, with the way 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:10.080 that salaries are going, you know, you have to wonder, 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.200 you know, we're talking about thirty five mill, We're talking 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.760 about forty forty five million for quarterbacks here? Is it 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:20.880 more pragmatic? Is it more financially responsible to think about 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.800 a younger quarterback down the line here, one that you 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:27.000 have up to five years of relative cost control on. 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:30.039 I think Desmond Ritter is a guy that's comfortable being 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.359 a future face of the franchise. I don't know that 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.160 he's ready to step in and start, which is why 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:36.640 I think that Tennessee could be a spot where he 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.200 would make some sense to sit there behind Ryan Tannehill. 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:43.640 He's got the athleticism that we love about Tannehill, and 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.560 I think he's got to work on his consistency with 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.719 his accuracy in different spots around the field. But I 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:51.839 think there's a lot of upside there. I really like 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.320 that one. I don't know if that's going to happen, Mike, 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.080 but I do tell you what, there's choices that I 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:00.320 would love to see. Zion Johnson interior offensive line is 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:01.920 one that I would love right there. I think would 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:03.760 make a lot of sense, a lot of positional versatility. 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.280 Same with Tyler Smith. But you know, I know the 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.040 Titans don't have a second round pick. I think he's 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:12.800 more of a second round player. And then look Traylan Burkes, Mike, 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.479 I'm telling you, there's like five different ways where he 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:20.560 can give you a touchdown Totans. Oh, well done. So 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.359 sorry sorry in the in the face of legendary company 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:27.960 here that I shouldn't have even attempted. But no, that 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.520 was great. Yeah, So like those are my thoughts there, 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.000 those three guys, those three positions, all right, So that's 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:38.320 who you picked on NFL Mock Live on NFL Network, Yes, 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.320 Desmond Ridden and another of the mocks you had somebody 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.200 else for the Titans though, Yeah, so that was a 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:48.000 different um. That was a I did a mock draft 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:52.600 using the Pro Football Focus mock Draft simulator. So we 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:57.000 were using PFF's rankings of the players, and we did 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.720 we did the simulator, we adjusted the simulator for me, 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.800 and we went through all thirty two picks. So you know, 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:07.080 they using PF's needs for each team, they picked the 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.880 best player that fit those needs. Then we just did 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:14.880 a separate one looking at only best player available regardless 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.640 of the need. And so PFF is a little bit 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.320 lower on Jermaine Johnson of Florida State. I think he's 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:22.800 going in the top ten all day long on Thursday night, 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.080 and for some reason he was available there for the 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:29.240 Titans at twenty six. Is the best player available? Look, 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.360 if that happens, thank your lucky stars rushed the card 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.400 up to the front, and feel great about it because 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.840 you've got another edge rusher to add to that talented front. 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.440 That ain't gonna happen. No, I don't think there's anyway 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.600 because as you get to this process and see if 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:46.840 you agree with this statement, I don't think the information 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.320 on guys who are dropping is good because I think 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.880 there's a lot of skull duggery going on with that. 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.880 I think there are teams who want bad stories in 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.840 the eat, of course, because they want guys to full 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.720 I do think that the truth in advertising, so to speak, 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:07.920 is when you're hearing guys are going up. I do 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:11.040 think that oftentimes ends up being true. And Jermaine Johnson 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:15.120 is a guy that we're consistently hearing is going up. Yeah. 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.360 I put him at number three in my latest mock 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.840 draft of Houston Texans because there's there's a lot of 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.400 folks out there that feel like he is a step 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.080 ahead of Cabon Thibodeau as an edge rusher. And if 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.680 you're considering an edge guy up in the top three 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:31.520 and they went Hutchinson Walker won two, then you know, 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.160 would that be something that Texans would consider. You know, 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.640 they could certainly go offense to support Davis Mills too, 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:38.520 you know, as you look there within the AFC South 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.360 in that division, Mike. But I think Jermaine Johnson is 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:45.160 a guy that has been kind of steadily rising. And 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.880 he also it's kind of interesting because he gives us 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:54.000 a glimpse of perhaps what Trayvon Walker's production might have 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:59.000 been outside of Georgia's defensive scheme which kind of pushed 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.640 everybody in the little tighter Jermaine Johnson, Remember, wasn't George 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.079 Bulldogs Jets from to Florida State, And in that one 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.280 year they started using him in those wide nine alignments, 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:08.880 and man, he pinned his ears back and he was 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.079 getting to the quarterback at a great clip and was 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.160 acc Defensive Player of the Year. I think that's kind 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:17.400 of Trayvon Walker could have that kind of production at 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.680 the next level if used in that kind of way. 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.199 So that's the other part about this thing. It's how 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.640 are they used in college and how do we kind 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:26.839 of translate that into how we want to see them 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.440 used at the next level. Who's the number one pick 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:34.520 in this draft today, Tuesday, April twenty sixth I really 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.199 don't know how the Jaguars see it, but I will 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.240 tell you right now if I am trip Bulky, I've 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.760 already got Aiden Hutchinson's name written down on the card 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:44.640 and I'm just waiting for the commissioner to put me 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.360 on the clock. This mike is a three hundred yard 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.120 t shot straight down the fairway at TPC sawdress Like, 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:52.520 let's put this thing in play, Let's keep it right 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.840 down the middle of the fairway. Let's not pass on 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.480 a sure thing, and I think Aiden Hutchinson is the 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:03.640 biggest sure thing in this year's draft. We've seen the production, 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.319 we know about the makeup of the man, we know 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:11.280 so much about how integral he was to a programs 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.520 success last year at Michigan. We know he can make 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.440 the biggest plays in the biggest moments, as we saw 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.080 in that Ohio State game. Like, there's so much to 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.920 like about this player. And the last thing I'll say 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:26.960 about Hutchinson is that I want everybody to be careful 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:30.400 when we use the phrase he's a safe pit, because 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.720 that does not mean that he is a lesser athlete, 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.199 or it does not mean he is not an elite talent, 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.760 because he is. He's got one of the best three 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.559 cone drill times of any edge rusher in this class, Mike, 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.080 and that is one of those things, one of those 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:46.280 metrics that we use to forecast edge rusher success at 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.200 the next level. He's got great banding, great explosion. He's 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.560 a great athlete and a safe pit. Daniel Jeremiah with 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:56.520 Bucky Brooks on the Move the Sticks Podcast, talked about 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.400 what he's hearing out of Jacksonville, and that is new 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:03.520 coach Doug Peterson wants Ikey Aquanu, the offensive tackle from 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.439 NC State, and Bucky makes the point, if that's who 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.840 Doug Peterson wants, that's who he's going to end up with, 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:12.600 because right now in the building, he's the dude with 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:16.480 the Jews. If they take Ikey Aquanu at one, or 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.280 they take Evan Neil at one, if they go tackle 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.600 at one, does that surprise you very much a little 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:26.160 bit because we saw them go and give Cam Robinson 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.400 a second straight franchise tag, and there's been some talk 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:31.520 about trying to work out a long term deal with him. 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:35.840 So if you do take a tackle number one, it 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:40.720 does give you some flexibility if the contract negotiations don't 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.320 work out with Cam and he goes on his way 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.320 following the season, You've now got the next guy to 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.360 step in at left tackle. But also keep in mind 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.400 that they drafted Walker Little in the second round last 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.800 year out of Stanford played some for them down the 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.920 stretch last year. I think it, you know, probably wasn't 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.880 his best effort, but he was a rookie and guy 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.120 had barely played the last two years of Stamford due 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.720 to injury and COVID, so his best football I feel 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.920 like he's still ahead of him. They got Joan Taylor 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:11.600 over there too. They've spent some resources on tackles, you know, 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.199 in the high draft pick range, you know, set those 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.680 second rounds in the last couple of years, so that 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.360 part of it would be a little bit surprising. But 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.719 then think back to win Doug Peterson won a Super 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.520 Bowl at Philly. Who were the tackles Jason Peters on 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.280 the left side, Lane Johnson on the right side. If 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.040 that's how you want to build this thing up in 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.240 front of Trevor Lawrence, then it makes sense, especially with 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:35.160 the Titans and the Colds rushing the passerata the way 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.160 they can in that division, and with the fact that 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:41.160 you figure Houston is going to end up with one 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.400 of their two first round picks with an outstanding age rusher. Yeah, 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.680 makes a ton of sense. Speaking of tackles, a lot 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:52.160 of talk about Trevor Pinning from Northern Iowa, and certainly 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:55.240 Titans fans have interest in that because there's some thought 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.480 that he could fall to twenty six. Do you think 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.960 there's any shot of that? Do you think of Penning? 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.880 I really like Penning. I love his mentality, I love 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.000 the nasty in his game kind of reminds me a 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.439 little bit of the way Taylor Lawan plays the game 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.120 a little bit on the edge, you know at times, 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.719 and he will make guys pay, and he plays through 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:20.760 the echo of the whistle. And look, you I know 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.240 Titans took Dylan Ratin's in the second round last year, 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.320 so you know, it's a matter of how does that 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.800 maturation process move for him. Are we counting on him 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:32.520 to demand that right tackle spot, you know, next year. 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:34.640 I think that's part of what you think about. You 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.000 can never have too much depth along the offensive line, 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.079 but you know, I feel like interior would make a 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.520 little bit more sense, especially a guy with positional versatility 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.120 like a Zion Johnson who's played all over the offensive 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.199 line at Boston College, or Kenyon Green, who I think 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:51.760 teams are kind of sorting out a little bit of 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.520 a knee issue on the medical With Kenyon Green, he's 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.040 done some of that at Texas A and him to 0:13:56.400 --> 0:14:00.120 tackle guard interior on the outside, So that to me 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.199 would make a little bit more sense. Plus, I think 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.720 Trevor Penning has gone. I don't think he gets past 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.679 the second Saints pick at nineteen if they don't take 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:12.120 a tackle at sixteen, So that's kind of how I 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.640 don't see him getting out of the top twenty. Stranger 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.320 things have happened, though. Okay, So let me ask you 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.760 something towards your Saints knowledge. They have not taken a 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.560 quarterback in the first round of an NFL draft since 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:27.560 Archie Manning fifty years? Is this the year with the 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:31.520 two number ones that changes. They've certainly got the opportunity too. 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.520 And that's kind of the sweet spot for the quarterbacks 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.160 in terms of how we see value with this class. 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.400 And you know, people want to people really want to 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:43.400 discount these guys in this group of quarterbacks, and I 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:45.720 don't know, man, I'm not here for that, Mike. I'm 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.040 here to tell you, like, let's look and see if 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.880 we can find ways where this guy can succeed for us, 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.320 rather than telling you what he can't do. And I 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.840 think there's a lot to like about, you know, all 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.040 the quarterbacks. So that's why I'm mock Desmond Ritter and 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.440 at twenty sixth of the Titans earlier, I think there's 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:02.760 a lot to like there. Same for Malik Willis, like 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.560 maybe he's in that sweet spot there, either at sixteen 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.320 or at nineteen for the Saints, there's traits that you 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:12.440 love and you know, like look in the Titans case. 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:14.000 You know, you got one of the one of the 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:18.320 great quarterback coaches in the NFL and Pad O'Hara. So 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.920 like you've got to look into your coaching staff if 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.080 you're the Saints, and you know, think about the guys 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.400 that you got, Like think about the ability to develop 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.400 young players. You know, the Saints haven't had to do 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:30.920 that in a while, right, I mean, like they had 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.400 Drew Brees for you know, fifteen years. Jamis Winston was 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.920 an older player by the time he got here. I 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.040 guess we could talk about how they you know, worked 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.360 Taysom Hill into the quarterback rotation, but that project seems 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.120 like it's ending now and he's booming a tight end. 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:45.920 So I think you got to look at that part 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.480 of it, like what's your development strategy for a young player? 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:52.280 Does your staff fit that. That's all a part of this, 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.600 But I could certainly see quarterback being in play there. 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.200 Although when they did go out and sign Andy Dalton recently, 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:00.960 it's like, all right, you got Andy, you Jamis, you 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.080 drafted Ian Book last year in the fourth round feels 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.480 like the ends getting a little full there. At quarterback, 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.440 I feel like they're a better suitor to go tackle 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.280 and wide receiver. At sixteen and nineteen, Who are the 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.000 underrated players that you think are going to have a 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.160 chance to sneak into the back end of the first round. 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.280 Ye have two or three to jump out to you 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.360 certainly do. Tyler Linderbaum from Iowa, I think is a 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.960 guy that's getting nick picked to death over his arm length. 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:30.680 And all that dude did was dominate interior defensive linemen 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.040 in the one of the best conferences in college football 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.120 his entire career. He's the best technician, he might have 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.680 the best fundamentals of any offensive lineman regardless of position upfront. 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.760 And honestly, if Ben Jones wasn't back for Tennessee, I 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:45.600 feel like that would make a ton of sense right 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:49.040 there at twenty six two other guys on the back end, 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.240 you're looking at some of the edge rusher group there. 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.040 You're talking about guys like boy A Mafe from Minnesota 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.400 I think is firmly in that final five to seven 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.880 picks of the first round conversation there look at can 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:01.880 A City with one of their back to backs at 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.000 twenty nine and thirty. He's got a great story. He's 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.600 a phenomenal athlete with his best football very much still 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:09.640 ahead of him. Look at a guy like Arnold Eba 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.720 Katy out of Penn State that could sneak into the 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:13.320 back end of the first round as well. I think 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.680 edge rushers, you know, like so many of them, Mike, 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:17.760 are going to go in the top ten. I think 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.879 four go in the top ten. That teams are gonna 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.600 maybe get some guys who we might have originally thought 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.159 of as second round picks kind of jump into the 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.920 first round just because of the way that they dominated 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:32.000 that position, dominated the first ten picks. So boymfe Arnold 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:33.840 Eba Katie. And then you're looking at some of the 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:38.400 corners like Kyler Gordon from Washington in that range out there, 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.200 Andrew Booth from Clemson coming off I think a core 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:46.080 muscle surgery, So corners, edge rushers. I see that kind 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:48.239 of being one of those spots at the back end 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:49.760 of the first round where we could kind of see 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.880 some different names in there. Now, you were a college 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.360 wide receiver, so I know you followed that position closely. 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.720 The first six seemed to be pretty set but there's 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:03.119 a lot of discussion about who's seven. Is it Christian Watson, 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:07.239 Is sky More a guy out of Western Michigan who 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.680 has an unusual skill set? Is it George Pickens from 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:15.600 Georgia who has never quite reached the potential five stars? 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:17.640 And some people think if it all goes right for him, 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.960 it blows up in the NFL? Who's seven for Rhett 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.720 Lewis of NFL Network at wide receiver. Yeah, Mike, that's 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:26.440 a that's a really good question. I think you're right. 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.359 I think it's pretty much set with you know, Wilson, London, 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:33.239 Olave Burke's Dotson and Williams is the first six, and 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:37.600 then at seven. It feels like the buzz is building 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:41.000 for sky More out of Western Michigan to be the seventh, 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.399 you know, not necessarily the biggest dude out there, not 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.920 necessarily the fastest of this bunch, but man, is he 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:48.919 a fun football player to watch. He gets open, he 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:51.920 makes circus catches, a lot of the same stuff we 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.359 talk about with Johan Dotson in there too. Kind of 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.840 feels like some of the same things that that sky 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:01.560 More does. I tend to favor Christian Watson, you know, 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:03.520 he's got a he's got a terrific story. He was 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:05.879 a guy that was overlooked his entire high school career. 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:07.919 He's kind of a late bloomer into the body that 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:09.840 you've seen now at six foot four and two hundred 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:11.720 and ten pounds. By the way, he runs four three 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.119 forty like ridiculous athlete. But guys were going, you know, 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.040 college coaches were going over there to recruit Wap Fillure, 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.480 who ended up in my alma mater in Indiana. Shout 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:25.040 out Nick Westbrook as well. I had to find a 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:26.840 way to figure to fit it in there. You are 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.280 the president of the Nick Westbrook Akada Fan Club. That's okay, 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:33.280 we love that. I love Nick. He's such a great player. 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.200 I'm so so happy for him carving out a niche 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:38.199 there in Tennessee. But yeah, Christian is a guy who 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.440 was overlooked there found his way to North Dakota State 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:44.320 because one recruiter was like, I see all these other guys, 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.040 but like, who's this dude over here, who you know 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:49.160 is a little gangly, you know, it's like a little tall, 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.040 little skinny. But man, I feel like his best football 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.040 is ahead of him. And I could see if he 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:55.760 doesn't go in the first round. I think he's gone 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.200 within the first five just seven picks of the second round. 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.320 All Right, we know you love the draft, and we 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.720 know your experience with your dad being a longtime NFL 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:06.800 trainer most of the career with the New Orleans Saints. 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.040 So I want to wrap up our conversation with this, 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:13.360 from your experience with your dad, how much of a 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:18.200 factor is the training staff and the medical staff as 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.159 we get to not only Thursday, but especially Friday and 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:26.200 Saturday with that medical information that comes from the combine. 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.479 If you'd lay out for us just an overview of 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.520 how much bigger that is than what we probably know, 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:36.199 I'd be interested to hear. Yeah, Mike, that's a great question. 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.720 And I'll start it off by kind of relating back 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:42.760 to some of the names you mentioned earlier, because you know, 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:45.560 Archie Manning was one of my dad's first quarterbacks there 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:48.560 in New Orleans, and Archie was my dad's best man 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:52.240 at his wedding. Like Archie went once his kids got 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:54.600