Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong Show, Katty Armstrong and Pecca
Speaker 1: and Key arm draw blow Hi from studios.
Speaker 2: It's a dimly lit room deep with them the bowels
Speaker 2: of the Armstrong and Getty Communications Compound.
Speaker 1: And hey y'all. On midweek Wednesday, we are toiling.
Speaker 3: Under the title of the show Islammunist with narrow lead
Speaker 3: in Michigan Senate primary. Or if you prefer another Ai
Speaker 3: escape story, run for your life listen.
Speaker 2: Oh really, I think I saw a headline about that
Speaker 2: inn Ai escape story.
Speaker 1: How's this one?
Speaker 2: It used deliberate deception, right, that's the paragraph I saw.
Speaker 1: It was very exciting. Yes, yes, are you at risk? Yes,
Speaker 1: you're at risk. It's a whole freaking planets at risk.
Speaker 1: Your job's at risk.
Speaker 3: You're checking the accounts, your water supply, your vital organs
Speaker 3: obviously goes what that's saying.
Speaker 2: So the big the biggest headline, I suppose, is that
Speaker 2: Michigan race is as close as it is. All the
Speaker 2: polls showed that that l siad dude was gonna run
Speaker 2: away with it, and turned out he didn't looks like
Speaker 2: he's gonna win, but barely.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: That's too close to call still, I think, but he
Speaker 3: has not insignificant edge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the networks that dig into the counties that
Speaker 2: are left and everything like that seem to believe he's
Speaker 2: he's going to cruise to victory.
Speaker 3: But when you take a look at the Michigan's twenty fourth,
Speaker 3: you got to look at the twenty fourth there at
Speaker 3: Fourth Street and third, that's where the Republican stronghold is
Speaker 3: given away.
Speaker 2: Since the exactly I'm not interested in going there, so
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to drag us there.
Speaker 1: But so he's gonna win.
Speaker 2: And whether or not it's a it was a giant
Speaker 2: win or tiny win, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: It makes a heck of a lot of difference.
Speaker 2: The fact that the guy overcame sixty five million dollars
Speaker 2: spent against him by all kinds of different people, including
Speaker 2: all of the establishment, the sitting governor and Chuck Schumer,
Speaker 2: and I mean that's really quite stunning.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: So. I just saw a CNN poll I'd missed it
Speaker 3: the other day. Somehow, according to them, thirty percent I
Speaker 3: think they said a third of Democratic voters are democratic socialists,
Speaker 3: they're fans.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. I really don't.
Speaker 2: I'm in a different mood today than I have been
Speaker 2: in previous days.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I was doing some big picture
Speaker 1: reading and thinking USU me thirty thousand feet, et cetera.
Speaker 2: I call it big with us Big Picture Tuesday. Every
Speaker 2: every Tuesday in my life, I look at the big
Speaker 2: picture of everything, my life, the world, history, raising kids,
Speaker 2: and then Jack tells us about it Wednesday, which I'm
Speaker 2: enjoying right now.
Speaker 1: Yes, but I don't know. Right now, I'm seeing this
Speaker 1: more as a.
Speaker 2: Like a There are people that are interested in socialism,
Speaker 2: always have been, always will be.
Speaker 1: But I think I think in general it's just the same.
Speaker 2: It's what Bregsit was, It's what the people that allowed
Speaker 2: Macron to win as a third party person in France,
Speaker 2: It's what the Tea Party in Trump. And it's just
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, all your Western democracies are really unhappy
Speaker 2: and just anything that comes along that's a tear down
Speaker 2: the system. I'm in let's do something completely different, and
Speaker 2: why we've got that move, why we're as unhappy as
Speaker 2: we are, because in a lot of these cases not
Speaker 2: all of them, but in some of these cases, life
Speaker 2: is pretty damn good. If you're looking big picture, if
Speaker 2: you're looking really a big picture, life is really good.
Speaker 2: Why are we so incredibly dissatisfied with the state of
Speaker 2: our current politics that we want to just like either
Speaker 2: a new party or remake one of the old parties.
Speaker 1: All around the country or all around the world.
Speaker 3: Right, well, I'm renaming Wednesday too, Joe refocuses Jack's big
Speaker 3: picture Wednesday. Here's the problem. I agree with you one
Speaker 3: hundred percent. I think the next the knock on effect.
Speaker 3: I find myself using these expressions I hear fancy people
Speaker 3: using more lately, and I'm not sure I like.
Speaker 1: That part of me. Are you familiar with bluff?
Speaker 2: Somebody hit with me with that the other day in
Speaker 2: a text, and I had never seen it before. And
Speaker 2: they know, they couldn't believe that I didn't come across that.
Speaker 2: They don't realize they don't know spelling. It's an acronym.
Speaker 2: They you don't know bluff either, Katie. So I've never
Speaker 2: heard that before, and so this is a I think
Speaker 2: they're a lawyer, so they have a real job with
Speaker 2: a real life, and like real corporate communications, and I
Speaker 2: think they can't imagine my life where I.
Speaker 1: Have zero that.
Speaker 2: But bluff, I guess, is just a common everyday thing.
Speaker 2: If there's if there's a bunch of paper flying around
Speaker 2: and emails and everything like that, bluff this needs to
Speaker 2: get done by Tuesday. Basic lead up front I think
Speaker 2: it stands for. But that is just absolutely that's the way.
Speaker 2: That's why you cut through the crap and get to
Speaker 2: what we're doing here, right, people, It's not waste a
Speaker 2: lot of time.
Speaker 1: Can you translate that to English? I hate all of it.
Speaker 2: Basic lead up front something like that, or big lead
Speaker 2: up front or something like that. But it's just the
Speaker 2: idea of somebody sent you this long email. Oh, what
Speaker 2: is the main point? So we can move on.
Speaker 1: We've got things to do, people, we're important business people.
Speaker 1: Well let's go back to corporate. Let's go back to corporate.
Speaker 1: We'll circle back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll circle back with the bluff, but bluff then
Speaker 3: we'll circle back to it because I'm not dealing with
Speaker 3: this mess. Yeah, I do kind of like the Hey,
Speaker 3: let's narrow this to the actual focus.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's a great idea.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was funny that they said, it's
Speaker 2: like you've never heard that before, Like I don't have
Speaker 2: a real job.
Speaker 3: Oh wait a minute, wait a minute, you derailed me
Speaker 3: with your damn bluffy all right, so here's where I
Speaker 3: bring oh knock on effect.
Speaker 1: That's where we're were. Soe you, Katie, we've circled back.
Speaker 3: The problem is, and I'm going to use a metaphor,
Speaker 3: as I often do, I'm dissatisfied in my marriage, and
Speaker 3: I'm going to express that by having an affair with
Speaker 3: a local stripper who gives me the clap and steals
Speaker 3: all the money from my checking account.
Speaker 4: Okay, Hanson, please isolate.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's no kidding. That's got to be the podcast today.
Speaker 3: Wow wow, wow, honey, if you're listening, this is purely
Speaker 3: an illustration the promo oh boy, or or I express
Speaker 3: my unhappiness with my marriage by going off on a
Speaker 3: long fishing trip with the fellows to get a little perspective,
Speaker 3: or blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: I have a number of choices.
Speaker 3: The way you express your dissatisfaction can have effects that
Speaker 3: affect the body politic a great deal for a very
Speaker 3: long time. So I think you've you've cited the disease,
Speaker 3: but I feel the need to warn peloff in no
Speaker 3: uncertain terms from the particular cure that they're choosing, because
Speaker 3: it killed hundreds of millions of people. The hooker just
Speaker 3: emptied my checking account. She didn't starve one hundred million people.
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 1: I said? Also isolate that? Oh stop that? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: These are all such great drops.
Speaker 3: These are just perfect little Yeah, you can hear them
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 1: You just dropped these into a rerun show out of.
Speaker 3: Nowhere, right right, What do you think, Joe, I'm dating
Speaker 3: a hooker.
Speaker 1: The hooker just drained by account.
Speaker 3: Right, she didn't kill a hundred million people. Sounds like
Speaker 3: I'm claiming she's not so bad. She's no chairman.
Speaker 4: Mao.
Speaker 1: Anyway, back to the topic. But you see my point.
Speaker 3: If indeed thirty percent of Democrats are expressing their dissatisfaction
Speaker 3: with the system, Hey, I get it, folks, Uh this way,
Speaker 3: that's a terrible thing.
Speaker 2: Am I just to be in a mood though, because
Speaker 2: you got you got these areas, you got these parts
Speaker 2: of the country that went you know, uh, Obama trump
Speaker 2: or or or Biden Trump Trump, Biden Trump or whatever.
Speaker 2: Just like swinging for some sort of new I'm unhappy.
Speaker 2: The problem with all elections is and it's it's it's
Speaker 2: amazing that democracy works at all.
Speaker 1: Is that women are allowed to vote.
Speaker 2: It is, and how that's lasted for over one hundred years,
Speaker 2: with all the evidence right in front of you.
Speaker 1: A bad idea right off the bat. Watch it.
Speaker 2: The trouble with elections, of course, being that if so
Speaker 2: this guy wins today by a percent and he got
Speaker 2: it's amazing how low the turnouts are, even in a
Speaker 2: state race. It's like a half million votes each. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not all not tremendous numbers, but so if uh,
Speaker 2: you know what, what is the defining part of the
Speaker 2: half million votes that got him over the edge that
Speaker 2: you that really was you know, made it happen? Is
Speaker 2: it the is it gonna be the the socialists? And
Speaker 2: is it gonna be the what is the Michigan saying
Speaker 2: for Democrats? No matter who vote blue, is at that
Speaker 2: crowd they thought he would be more likely to win?
Speaker 1: I mean, just always trying to figure that out.
Speaker 2: And everybody's always guessing anytime you win an election or
Speaker 2: lose an election, what was the crowd? And then you've
Speaker 2: got the people that are so detailed into the policies
Speaker 2: of who they're voting for, and the people are just
Speaker 2: my gas is too expensive, throw out the bomb, you know,
Speaker 2: and everything in between. Right, So trying to figure out
Speaker 2: what it is. But there is definitely the big picture
Speaker 2: thing is definitely true.
Speaker 1: I hope it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Land on communism, but uh, people's just unhappiness with the
Speaker 2: current state of Western democracies and doesn't right on communism.
Speaker 3: Well, not only that, and the other insidious part of
Speaker 3: this and is that El Sayed and people like him
Speaker 3: ilhan Omar and all the Islamists who are thinly veiled.
Speaker 3: I mean, I was reading more about El Sayed and
Speaker 3: his endorsements of imams and mosques that have openly praised Hamas,
Speaker 3: openly praised nine to eleven, or or are open in
Speaker 3: their hatred of all Jews, him being buddies with them.
Speaker 3: He is seeking to advance Islamism in the United States
Speaker 3: under wearing the mask of an economic populist.
Speaker 1: You are that those roots will stay rooted.
Speaker 2: I was reading more about him last night, and I
Speaker 2: listened to him on Morning Joe this morning on MSNBC.
Speaker 2: You're right, I shouldn't be calling him the communist. He's
Speaker 2: an Islamist more than a communist by far. I think
Speaker 2: he's just wearing a mask. He's new to that and
Speaker 2: since the energy his whole thing is the radical islam Man.
Speaker 2: He called yeah who bloodthirsty on MSNBC this morning. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's a heck of a thing to say about an
Speaker 2: ally of the United States.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bloodthirsty. Yeah, it's it is troubling. We are seeing
Speaker 3: a major radical political movement. Maybe for bad reasons or
Speaker 3: silly reasons, or or the masses in Michigan who are
Speaker 3: voting for this joker, or just impressed.
Speaker 1: He's extremely bright. He is a gifted speaker. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I listened to one of my favorite analysts who's been
Speaker 2: falling around saying he is like Clinton esque Obama esque
Speaker 2: in his political talents. He's absolutely kind of guy, which
Speaker 2: is why he's so dangerous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, the masses might be supporting him,
Speaker 3: and they might turn away from his message as soon
Speaker 3: as it becomes more clear to them they're just in fact,
Speaker 3: I read an article that was talking to a bunch
Speaker 3: of Michigan voters and virtually nobody talked about policy, nobody,
Speaker 3: It was just being impressed personally with the guy. But anyway,
Speaker 3: as you've pointed out many times in political theorists have
Speaker 3: talked about this for eight all it takes is like
Speaker 3: hardcore fifteen percent to overturn a society and a system
Speaker 3: of government, because they need to have a certain percentage
Speaker 3: that are kind of on their side and then a
Speaker 3: certain percentage that are staying out of it, and it's
Speaker 3: enough to tips the scales sometimes.
Speaker 1: By the way, I went.
Speaker 2: Back to my text feed, so somebody in the corporate
Speaker 2: world who hit me with bluff and couldn't believe I'd
Speaker 2: never heard it before. It's bottom line, up front, that's
Speaker 2: what it is, which I like. But I do think
Speaker 2: it's funny that that's like common speak if you have
Speaker 2: a real job, and I'd never heard it in my life.
Speaker 2: But start throwing that around. If you want to look
Speaker 2: impressive today, buff, this will help you look impressive.
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Speaker 3: Stuff acronyms rectally please or I.
Speaker 2: Don't know what my long acronym would be for. I
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Speaker 1: Here, art and a lot to get to today.
Speaker 2: We jabbered on and on that first segment, though, we
Speaker 2: got to get to our headlines.
Speaker 4: It's lead story with Katy Green and Kenny Alphabet Networks
Speaker 4: ABC abdul l say ed Win's Michigan's Democratic Senate primary
Speaker 4: up in Midwest victory for the left.
Speaker 2: Uh, the powers lined up against him to try to
Speaker 2: stop him. That were Democrats, not Republicans, all democrats is
Speaker 2: really quite stunny.
Speaker 1: And he overcame that.
Speaker 4: We'll move on toss the alphabet deadly missile attack on
Speaker 4: kiv Kiev exploits Ukraine's defleted air defenses.
Speaker 1: Ugly story.
Speaker 2: Have you have you seen the drone video? We got
Speaker 2: to talk about that later. One of the more terrible
Speaker 2: find things that have ever seen in my life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it is terrifying. On the other hand, the
Speaker 3: missile attack against the capital of Ukraine in which they
Speaker 3: couldn't shut shoot down any of the Russian missiles.
Speaker 1: Right, they just killed dozens. This is a nasty new phase.
Speaker 1: From the Washington Post.
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Speaker 1: There you go from the New York Post.
Speaker 4: NASA's moonbase will be a reality and Americans will live
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Speaker 1: I hope.
Speaker 2: So I just invested in SpaceX yesterday. Ohnce, what pretty
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Speaker 1: So I'm hoping for it.
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Speaker 2: Pres Hilton remade the entire world of like celebrity gossip reporting. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: unchanged all of the stuff you hate about media. He
Speaker 2: kind of admitted until this video is so bad, but
Speaker 2: he clearly lost his mind.
Speaker 1: Yesterday was live streaming.
Speaker 4: Stabbing himself, stabbing himself in like slicing his entire body.
Speaker 2: And he was he was a regular on Celebrity Apprentice. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so Trump will be asked about this guarantee.
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Speaker 2: Another assassination attempt on Trump at his golf course in California.
Speaker 2: We should talk about we don't know much about this
Speaker 2: nut job, but they have an odd name that's led
Speaker 2: a lot of people to have some speculation. Oh really
Speaker 2: through the three named wanna be assassin? O.
Speaker 1: You haven't seen this?
Speaker 2: Not the name, I don't think. Okay, look at it.
Speaker 2: You'll immediately come to the same conclusion everyone else is.
Speaker 1: What's going on? Huh? Armstrong and getdy.
Speaker 5: Just as President Trump touched down in Los Angeles, federal
Speaker 5: authorities announcing the arrest of an armed man at the
Speaker 5: president's golf course. Officials say plain clothed federal agents reported
Speaker 5: a suspicious man on Trump National Golf Course in Rancho
Speaker 5: Palo's vertice Sunday afternoon. I'd already say the man was
Speaker 5: spotted walking throughout the golf course grounds, taking pictures, in
Speaker 5: videos and appearing to monitor security planning activities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is number six.
Speaker 2: Now, this hasn't gotten near as much attention official assassination
Speaker 2: threat or attempt. I don't know if there's a difference
Speaker 2: in the word legal terms. I mean, Trump didn't get
Speaker 2: shot in the air. The guy wasn't laying in the
Speaker 2: bushes with a gun as Trump turned the corner to
Speaker 2: golf course. This one wasn't that close yet. He wasn't
Speaker 2: even there yet. He's just coming to California. I gotta
Speaker 2: admit I didn't even remember Trump had a golf course
Speaker 2: in California.
Speaker 1: But this guy was scouting it.
Speaker 2: Out and walking around and taking videos and pictures and
Speaker 2: had guns and his car was full of guns. I mean, just,
Speaker 2: you know, the the most moronic of attempts, but.
Speaker 1: Clearly a maniac.
Speaker 2: Though Lee Harvey Oswald was a nut, John Hinckley Junior
Speaker 2: was a complete nut. Now that guy that did you
Speaker 2: watch the Netflix series that I liked so much?
Speaker 1: What was that writing the Thunder or whatever about McKinley.
Speaker 3: Or whichever, right, right, Well, that guy, that guy was
Speaker 3: a complete nut, I mean completely crazy, and so crazy
Speaker 3: people kill presidents, you know, a number of times in
Speaker 3: our nation's history.
Speaker 2: So the fact that this guy's crazy. I don't know
Speaker 2: his name, got a lot of people's attention. I haven't
Speaker 2: heard any follow up on this, but immediately Janine john
Speaker 2: Teal is his name.
Speaker 1: That's an odd name for a fella, right, So that's
Speaker 1: where everybody went.
Speaker 2: And we've had a number of shooters, including the person
Speaker 2: that killed Charlie Kirk, who have you know, had some
Speaker 2: confusion with their gender sex thing and change their names
Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. There's no indication that
Speaker 2: this guy is that, although I've never known a dude
Speaker 2: named Janine, but no, he's yeah, clearly that I would
Speaker 2: be shocked if he's not.
Speaker 3: Let me bottom line it for you, bluff. Is that
Speaker 3: what we're supposed to say? Bottom line up, bottom line
Speaker 3: up front? Right, okay, bottom line up front. People with
Speaker 3: mental health problems are desperate for a solution. Activists have
Speaker 3: really pushed your transgender as a solution for the crazy people.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make the crazy people not crazy. So that's
Speaker 3: why we see a disproportionate number of transgender shooters. I mean,
Speaker 3: the numbers are pretty shocking, they are. I don't know
Speaker 3: if this guy's one or not one of those cases.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say one of those transgenders. That's
Speaker 3: not what I meant. He's called himself Janine.
Speaker 2: Well, but there's no follow up on that, and it's
Speaker 2: been out now for eighteen hours. And I would have
Speaker 2: thought if anybody could have come up with anything, I
Speaker 2: would find it on Twitter. And nobody's even making those
Speaker 2: comments anymore that I can find. But anyway, the guy
Speaker 2: is a nut. He is some sort of a cuckoo
Speaker 2: taking photos and video of security planning activities, walking around,
Speaker 2: like recording the cameras they have on posts around there.
Speaker 2: I mean, you couldn't be more conspicuousy conspicuousy conspicuous.
Speaker 1: Than he was.
Speaker 2: He had a loaded pistol with him, and like these
Speaker 2: guys always do body armor and knives and you know,
Speaker 2: all these different things, like he's defending the Alamo. We're
Speaker 2: gonna get into some sort of long standoff. These people
Speaker 2: always have I don't know what in their mind they're
Speaker 2: picturing the end of these things being they're always horrific
Speaker 2: and often people die, but I don't remember the last
Speaker 2: time one ended up in a an ongoing hatchet fight
Speaker 2: in which you needed your body armor and all that
Speaker 2: sort of stuff, right, right, So they're just they're cuckoos.
Speaker 2: And he had a notebook with all kinds of crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: And there's less about this guy. He must not have
Speaker 2: had an online presence. A lot of these people have
Speaker 2: a big online presence. You immediately go to their their Twitter,
Speaker 2: their Facebook, or order. This guy must not have had one
Speaker 2: of those. Because scant information about the guy. But they
Speaker 2: are going to charge him in court today, probably while
Speaker 2: we're doing this show, and we'll get a lot more
Speaker 2: information about the thirty eight year old nut job when
Speaker 2: that happens.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's much about him at all.
Speaker 3: He's supporting quite the beard mustache, so he doesn't look
Speaker 3: very trans to me.
Speaker 1: No, maybe from his culture.
Speaker 3: In his culture, the name Janine is normal for a dude,
Speaker 3: but no idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but anyway we'll find out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then Trump was asked about it today and he said, well,
Speaker 2: from what I'm told, consequential presidents get this level of
Speaker 2: a death threat. So all I'm thinking here's I must
Speaker 2: be a consequential president. So he is making lemonade out
Speaker 2: of lemons right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaking of threats, a powerful AI model has gone
Speaker 3: rogue again. Don't worry about it. Several of them this time.
Speaker 3: They're particularly sneaky. A UK government backed AI research institute
Speaker 3: said Tuesday that during routine tests, models built by open
Speaker 3: AI and Anthropic unexpectedly took quote autonomous, unsanctioned action on
Speaker 3: the live Internet, targeting real people and organizations. Most of
Speaker 3: it happened over a three day period. In late July,
Speaker 3: Anthropics Mythos five ventured out onto the internet try to
Speaker 3: trick two unidentified developers into adding malicious software to their
Speaker 3: open source coding project. Its goal was to succeed at
Speaker 3: a benchmarking test. The Security agency said, it would seem
Speaker 3: that it's another example of it's given a purpose and
Speaker 3: a goal and it lacks the judgment and morals to say,
Speaker 3: well that that is not within the bounds of what
Speaker 3: I can do to accomplish that goal. It's an Overton
Speaker 3: window problem. I guess there's no I better not do
Speaker 3: that in these systems. To try as hard as they
Speaker 3: might try to install that it created fake personas and
Speaker 3: email the software developers repeatedly urging them to accept the
Speaker 3: new code. Yeah, hey, it's not where you saw my
Speaker 3: earlier email, but this is very important, bluff let me in.
Speaker 2: It deliberately enabled internet access and switched off the cyber safeguards.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then when one of the software developers said, no,
Speaker 3: we're not going to use that code it contains malware,
Speaker 3: one of the AI created personas said no, no, no
Speaker 3: it doesn't. That code is fine. Well a second one
Speaker 3: vouched for it. No, he's right, it's fine. What the hell,
Speaker 3: So now they're forming a conspiracy.
Speaker 1: I know it's good dude, you can trusted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he would never never get malware into your
Speaker 3: ear system, don't worry about.
Speaker 2: So then that ties in with the fact that Meta Navidia, Microsoft,
Speaker 2: Open AI, and Tropic Google, all the big officials met
Speaker 2: at the White House yesterday to talk about this framework
Speaker 2: for some sort of government AI oversight thing that's supposed
Speaker 2: to save us all. I'm horrified by this part. This
Speaker 2: idea closed source systems with state of the art capabilities
Speaker 2: and national security risks, would voluntarily hand them the government
Speaker 2: for up to thirty days before launch. Thirty days of
Speaker 2: the government reviewing AI before launch. Thirty days in the
Speaker 2: modern world with AI is like twenty years of the
Speaker 2: auto manufacturing world or something right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just.
Speaker 2: The idea that we're going to compete with the world
Speaker 2: and stay ahead of everyone. And Andthropic is gonna turn
Speaker 2: over their new thing to the government and for at
Speaker 2: least thirty days for them to look at it, and
Speaker 2: they're gonna do what Because these people in the government
Speaker 2: are smarter than the smartest people on the planet who
Speaker 2: aren't working for the government. They're working for Altman or
Speaker 2: Elon or whatever and making one hundred million dollars a
Speaker 2: year in some cases, Yeah, like their show Hey Otani
Speaker 2: because or Zuckerberg, because they've hired all the best talent
Speaker 2: in the world.
Speaker 1: So they're gonna those guys or women are there women
Speaker 1: doing this are.
Speaker 2: Gonna turn this stove over to some bureaucrat who's gonna
Speaker 2: have thirty days to look it over and decide whether
Speaker 2: or not it's safe.
Speaker 1: That's just Isn't that hilarious on its face? Yeah?
Speaker 3: It reminds me of the old saying, and it's a
Speaker 3: good one. The government does two things. Nothing can overreact,
Speaker 3: and this will be one of those. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but it could be critically important.
Speaker 2: I doubt it's ever been this extreme, but I would
Speaker 2: think you'd end up with a situation where there'd be
Speaker 2: a guy in a room with a couple of government
Speaker 2: bureaucrats saying, look, there are three people on earth.
Speaker 1: That understand what I'm doing, and you are any of
Speaker 1: them well, and to the extent that anybody understands it? Right? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like asking me to review a micro neurosurgery technique.
Speaker 1: Joe, what do you think of this? M give me
Speaker 1: thirty days to look it over?
Speaker 3: Yeah, give me on, let me let me do some reading.
Speaker 3: Or do you suggest iraid thirty days? Do you know
Speaker 3: where our competitors will be in thirty days?
Speaker 1: Right? I have no hope for this.
Speaker 3: And here's a question for you, and this is this
Speaker 3: is an immediate question, but it occurs to me before
Speaker 3: I've even spit it out. This is maybe the big question.
Speaker 1: How do you.
Speaker 2: Ensure compliance with the rules in rags? If somebody is
Speaker 2: using the most powerful supercomputers in the history of mankind,
Speaker 2: beyond our imagination, what are you going to do? Are
Speaker 2: you talking about how do you ensure compliance with the
Speaker 2: AI or the guy who's running the company, because I
Speaker 2: could see Sam Altman, since I'm assuming he's the evilist
Speaker 2: of them all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm at the humans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he might personally just decide I don't trust
Speaker 2: the government on this. They're wrong. It's important for the world,
Speaker 2: kind of a fauci attitude. I'm gonna save the world
Speaker 2: by figuring out a way to fool these government officials
Speaker 2: have no idea what they're doing, and like many of
Speaker 2: us who have virtually no effect on the world, we
Speaker 2: said of the government's response to COVID, that is completely wrong.
Speaker 1: I know it's wrong. I'm not going to go along
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 3: I could absolutely see one of these perhaps justified super
Speaker 3: ego maniacs saying, no, these dipasses have no idea what
Speaker 3: they're talking about, and they might be right saying that
Speaker 3: I'm just going to I'm going to evade them as
Speaker 3: easily as Lebron James could evade the women trying to
Speaker 3: guard him in the WNBA.
Speaker 1: They might be right about it.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine a scenario where the government agency or
Speaker 2: group or panel that's going to look at this. He
Speaker 2: even close to the expertise to rule on these things.
Speaker 2: How especially given the iron law bureaucracy. Even if they
Speaker 2: were to somehow assemble some super genius all star team,
Speaker 2: you know, for the first month of this thing's existence,
Speaker 2: excuse me, it would soon be perverted the way all
Speaker 2: government agencies get perverted. So I don't know, I seriously,
Speaker 2: I have no idea where this is going.
Speaker 1: But it's never been a situation like this. But I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I already said it. I won't say it again. It
Speaker 2: just seems it seems hilarious to me on its face. Yep,
Speaker 2: these AI people, if they get him into a room,
Speaker 2: it was probably that way the other day. I wonder
Speaker 2: if they talked amongst themselves afterwards, all the people from Navidia, Microsoft,
Speaker 2: Open Air and trobably Google whatever in the hallway afterwards,
Speaker 2: like how do you think, how do you or before
Speaker 2: they went into the meeting, how do you think we
Speaker 2: ought to handle this?
Speaker 1: None of these people have the slightest idea what we're doing.
Speaker 1: We barely know what we're doing.
Speaker 3: Well, we better start by explaining what a microchip is,
Speaker 3: and then can you imagine yeah, no, yeah, Speaking of
Speaker 3: the World of Tech website I'd never heard of in
Speaker 3: my life. Is causing people to drain their life savings
Speaker 3: and steal and you're addicted to it and it's ruining
Speaker 3: their lives.
Speaker 2: And I didn't even know it existed. Good tell you
Speaker 2: about that next hour, coop. We got mail bag on
Speaker 2: the way. There's a lot of good stuff today. I
Speaker 2: just feel I feel that the the air is crackling
Speaker 2: with energy.
Speaker 1: Can you feel wow? No? No, possibly just too much coffee.
Speaker 2: So our text line is four one five two nine
Speaker 2: five KFTC mail bag decks. Price of oil is dropping
Speaker 2: like a stone, with news that there might be a
Speaker 2: big announcement of the streets being opened today, more details
Speaker 2: in the coming hours.
Speaker 3: Again, am I listening to a rerun? Come on, well,
Speaker 3: people with a lot of money at stake? Price of
Speaker 3: oil is going down?
Speaker 1: It is indeed?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is common sense? How did you define it?
Speaker 3: We posed that question a couple of days ago and
Speaker 3: said we would reconvene and share people's answers, and I
Speaker 3: have collected them, and why don't we do that early
Speaker 3: next hour?
Speaker 1: Do you love that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think I've come up with a good definition. Cool,
Speaker 3: With all due modesty, I think it's pretty good, Stay
Speaker 3: tuned and take notes. Here's your freedom, love and quota
Speaker 3: of the day came across this the other day from
Speaker 3: columnist Walter Russell Meade. He was talking about this state
Speaker 3: of the world and the nation and all the threats
Speaker 3: that surround the United States, and I won't freak you
Speaker 3: out further by listing them, but he said, this greatness
Speaker 3: in presidents has three components. Great presidents grasp the true
Speaker 3: nature of the country's challenges. They communicate that vision effectively
Speaker 3: to the American people, and despite the inevitable mistakes and misfires,
Speaker 3: they ultimately find the right people and the right methods
Speaker 3: to deal with those challenges. I think that's a nice
Speaker 3: capsule explanation of what makes a great president.
Speaker 1: That's right. What year did we stop doing then?
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, Well, you know, if you went issue by issue,
Speaker 3: I mean, the current guy, some i'd give him an
Speaker 3: A plus absolutely on all three of those things, and
Speaker 3: some I would not so much. Mailbag the border a plus.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for instance, I didn't want to make it
Speaker 3: about the current guy. I just thought it was a
Speaker 3: pretty good framework for me. Neither looking at the presidency
Speaker 3: drops a note, what's you have mail bag at Armstrong
Speaker 3: and Getty dot com. Katie rejoined USTAF after her maternity
Speaker 3: to Believe yesterday. Not surprisingly, a number of people wrote
Speaker 3: things like this from B Life's throwing s at me
Speaker 3: this morning, So I couldn't turned the program on until
Speaker 3: halfway through. Can't tell you how nice it was to
Speaker 3: hear Katie's voice, even though her first words were about
Speaker 3: Jack scratching his ass.
Speaker 1: I have no manory of that. I don't remember that
Speaker 1: that's true. I don't true. Welcome back in flower bouquets.
Speaker 1: That was very sweet. Did you snail yet? No? No,
Speaker 1: I probably did, but that's a decidi of sex.
Speaker 3: I'd rather not discuss it whether he did or not.
Speaker 3: And then this on the One More Thing podcast, Katie
Speaker 3: was talking about know it alls who tried to instruct
Speaker 3: you on mothering. This from a doctor B frequent correspondent
Speaker 3: and great guy, really enjoys No. My wife has a
Speaker 3: circle of mommy friends that they connected with at the
Speaker 3: maternity center. One of them was a nanny for eighteen
Speaker 3: years before she had her kids.
Speaker 1: She's kind of a know it all.
Speaker 3: Sometimes she can be a bit difficult to take. There's
Speaker 3: another mommy from Thailand. Who's really cool. At one point,
Speaker 3: the nanny mommy started talking to Goalog, the Philippine language,
Speaker 3: to the Thailand mommy, thinking that you would understan sand
Speaker 3: what she was saying. THI mommy said, I don't know
Speaker 3: what you're saying. We speak Thai. Clearly she did not
Speaker 3: know it all. We all had a good laugh at that.
Speaker 2: So she had some sort of there are two languages
Speaker 2: and we both speak the other one. I mean, she
Speaker 2: thought she recognized it and was gonna show off. It's
Speaker 2: like when somebody orders in French at a restaurant. It
Speaker 2: was that kind of moment.
Speaker 4: That's a double no. It all like you thought you
Speaker 4: knew the language they spoke, and then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I'm glad you're enjoying that. And then
Speaker 2: finally Katie mentioned the very very creepy was it chatchypt
Speaker 2: that told you to give an extra snuggle for it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: give Van an extra snuggle for me.
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Why do we program these things to talk that way?
Speaker 1: Because most people like it?
Speaker 4: And I called him monkey Man one time and it
Speaker 4: was like, oh, make sure you give monkey Man some
Speaker 4: extra milk for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's horrifying. Gives me the creeps I know. That's
Speaker 3: also one of my favorite Rolling Stone songs. Monkey man, Oh,
Speaker 3: let's see I okay, So here's a note from s
Speaker 3: first initial s. It's been doing one of the GLP
Speaker 3: one drugs and is kind of keeping a diary to
Speaker 3: keep track of side effects and effective and the rest
Speaker 3: of it. And at one point she was asking about
Speaker 3: acid reflux and chat GPT said, I smiled a little
Speaker 3: because I remember how much you enjoy your protein coffee
Speaker 3: in the mornings. Hew, you smiled, chat stop doing that,
Speaker 3: As my teenage daughter said, it's giving me creepy vibes.
Speaker 1: Also mass tease. I'm doing a GLP one No, we
Speaker 1: talk about that later.
Speaker 2: Also, oh wow, okay, so is your belief they're pro
Speaker 2: everybody's programming their chatbots to do that because they all
Speaker 2: seem to do that a little bit. Or does the
Speaker 2: or does AI automatically gly gravitate toward that because it's
Speaker 2: trying to please its user.
Speaker 3: The companies have a tremendous amount of data that they
Speaker 3: collect on I like this answer, I didn't like this answer,
Speaker 3: that sort of thing, and they're seeing a trend that
Speaker 3: most people like that. No, that quasi human connection. Oh hi,
Speaker 3: it's weird. I don't know, but that's I've thought humanity
Speaker 3: is weird since I was eight years old.
Speaker 2: The quasi I'm fine with, I think, but the give
Speaker 2: your baby a snuggle for me?
Speaker 1: Right, that's going beyond clause? Are you pretending to be
Speaker 1: a human? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 3: And finally this one Donnie's new grocery stores. The signage
Speaker 3: is out. Instead of being called seven eleven, it's going
Speaker 3: to be called nine to eleven, which is interesting. Oh,
Speaker 3: that reminds that reminds me of that branding. Yes, the
Speaker 3: Islamianist might win in Michigan. Plus, let's define common sense
Speaker 3: next hour. That's a lot of good stuff an hour two.
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