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Speaker 1: just that than with NFL Networks Daniel Jeremiah. He joins

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Speaker 1: So it is always good to be here in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: You also mentioned and if you don't follow Daniel Jeremiah

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Speaker 4: But I think you'll do a really good job.

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Speaker 3: I know you've got a busy week, Daniel, But for

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Speaker 3: And then where can they find more information after the

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Speaker 4: For me, well, first of all, you need to have

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Speaker 4: Then you just you get right online and you just

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Speaker 1: Daniel. Always a pleasure. I know it's a busy time

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 1: Always good to catch up with. Daniel. And those last

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Speaker 1: that that Sean McVay tree has another branch and it's

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Speaker 1: Mike Laflor that is the next offensive coordinator under McVeigh

435
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Speaker 1: that has success as a head coach and Kyle Shanahandrey.

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Speaker 1: That's true, right.

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Speaker 3: If it were just one or the other, we'd still

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Speaker 3: be talking about that. And the fact that Lafleura is

439
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Speaker 3: both is just great and you hope that it pans

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Speaker 3: out the way that it has for other former offensive

441
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Speaker 3: coordinators under McVeigh who have gone on to become head coaches.

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Speaker 3: And it is really interesting hearing from the perspective of

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Speaker 3: national reporters and what they see in the floor and

444
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Speaker 3: the coaching staff that he is putting together and the

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Speaker 3: potential that they have in the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: With respects to what Daniel dram Mariah has with the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals with the third overall pick, even though he keeps

448
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Speaker 1: mentioning and we've heard this a lot, and you mentioned

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Speaker 1: it off the top of the show, Danny, that how

450
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Speaker 1: deep this edge group is. Daniel's got the Cardinals selecting

451
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Speaker 1: an offensive tackle at least through his first two mock

452
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Speaker 1: drafts Spencer Fano and one point zero Francis Malwinoa in

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Speaker 1: two point zero. We'll see what happens in his third

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Speaker 1: edition and even fourth and fifth as we get closer

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Speaker 1: to April, and it's going to be a debate. What

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Speaker 1: do you do if you have potentially the number one

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Speaker 1: tackle or the number one or number two edge rusher

458
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Speaker 1: available at number three? Do you take the high end

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Speaker 1: at tackle and wait to get the edge rusher? Because

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Speaker 1: there's not much separation between the high end and maybe

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Speaker 1: the next tier. Again, that's why general managers get paid

462
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Speaker 1: what they get paid to dissect what is the best option.

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Speaker 3: I would be so stressed and so high strung having

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Speaker 3: to make that decision officially, Craig, because that's a great question,

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Speaker 3: right is you have the depth at edge rusher, so

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Speaker 3: you might think Okay, let's take a tackle. But as

467
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Speaker 3: we've heard from Daniel Jeremiah's we heard from other people,

468
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Speaker 3: sometimes when a player is just that good, you find

469
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Speaker 3: a way to fit them into your scheme because you

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Speaker 3: know you're going to be better. And that's more the

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Speaker 3: discussion with these top edge rushers, and something Jeremiah talked

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Speaker 3: about with the receivers when the Cars drafted Marvin Harrison

473
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Speaker 3: Junior in that draft closet was more of your preferred

474
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Speaker 3: ice cream flavor, right, you could get good things out

475
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Speaker 3: of every receiver. It just kind of mattered the small

476
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Speaker 3: details that mattered most to you. And that's how he

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Speaker 3: described some of these top edge rushers as well. Normally

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Speaker 3: free agency also comes into play. But when you're looking

479
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Speaker 3: at this expected free free agent class, there's not a

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Speaker 3: large list of offensive linemen that are going to be available.

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Speaker 3: So how does that come into play? Right? Does that say, okay,

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Speaker 3: you know what, yes, we're going to take a tackle

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Speaker 3: at three. We know we can still find a good,

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Speaker 3: early impactful edge rusher at the start of day two.

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Speaker 1: And you have Josh Sweat as one edge rusher. But

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Speaker 1: as we saw and Daniel brought it up with the

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Speaker 1: Eagles and their Super Bowl run. Seahawks with their Super

488
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Speaker 1: Bowl run. You need multiple guys, especially if you have

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Speaker 1: just the one, then offense is just key on that

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Speaker 1: guy and hopeful the best on the other side of

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, there's there's more than one way to be

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Speaker 3: successful in the NFL and to win games and to

494
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Speaker 3: go far into the playoffs and hopefully win the big Game.

495
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Speaker 3: And the Eagles have shown that and maybe that can

496
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Speaker 3: be kind of the blueprint for the Cardinals in that sense.

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Speaker 1: Here as far as draft prospects, the secondary corners and

498
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Speaker 1: safeties can never have enough corners, you.

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Speaker 3: Can never and we saw the last couple of years

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Speaker 3: we have really seen good play from the young dbs,

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Speaker 3: which has been great and as we've talked to analysts

502
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Speaker 3: here at the combine, that actually excites me. Of course,

503
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Speaker 3: so much hype and discussion, especially as the season's officially

504
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Speaker 3: over for everybody and everybody really dives into free agency

505
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Speaker 3: and draft is first round, right, especially when you cover

506
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Speaker 3: a specific team. There's intrigue though for those later rounds,

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Speaker 3: even you know, early on Day three of a dB,

508
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Speaker 3: because Garrett Williams suffered an achilles injury at the end

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Speaker 3: of last season, so the likelihood of him missing significant

510
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Speaker 3: time is pretty high from that recovery. Going to be

511
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Speaker 3: the nickel cornerback. What's gonna happen with safety Jalen Thompson,

512
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Speaker 3: who is wrapping up the final year of his contract

513
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Speaker 3: and is appending free agent. To be right, what's gonna

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Speaker 3: happen with Sean Murphy Bunting who missed the entire last

515
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Speaker 3: season with an injury. So it's not necessarily at the

516
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Speaker 3: forefront of the minds of a lot of fans, understandably,

517
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Speaker 3: So it's still an important position, and I'll be intrigued

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Speaker 3: to see how high the Cardinals draft a dB.

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Speaker 1: Well just think back a year ago, fifth round, Denzel

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Speaker 1: Burke is a selection and the questions were why another

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Speaker 1: corner you had just drafted Will Johnson. You have Sean

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Speaker 1: Murphy Bunting, you have Starling Thomas. Oh wait, SMB's not available,

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden in training camp, star

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Speaker 1: goes down to a knee injury. So what you think

525
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Speaker 1: might be a strength in April, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you get to August and September You're like, oh, maybe

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Speaker 1: not so much of a strength in that position just

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Speaker 1: seems especially in this high scoring league now with offenses

529
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Speaker 1: really kind of trying to outscore someone as opposed to

530
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Speaker 1: stopping someone, you're gonna want that one, two, three, four, five,

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Speaker 1: even six, half a dozen different cordination.

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Speaker 3: We could argue for every position, right, which makes sense.

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Speaker 3: You could argue for every position of being need. When

534
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Speaker 3: you're talking about depth and what the Cardinals need, right,

535
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Speaker 3: mate says, you know, a blessing and a curse is

536
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Speaker 3: good news for the Cardinals. They need depth at almost every.

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Speaker 1: Position, speaking of offense, and I'm really looking forward to

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Speaker 1: this at some point sooner rather than later. Asycardinals dot com.

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Speaker 1: But here in Indianapolis, you always figure out a way

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Speaker 1: too unique ways to get to know these coaches, whether

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Speaker 1: it's a new head coach or a new assistant coach.

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Speaker 1: But you have the opportunity to sit down with Mike

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Speaker 1: Laflor and offensivecording Nathaniel Hackett in a rather unique setting,

544
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Speaker 1: and not so much the x's and o's, but more

545
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Speaker 1: about their relationship. They haven't worked together, but they've known

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Speaker 1: one another for years.

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Speaker 3: It was a really fun interview to be a part of,

548
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Speaker 3: and I enjoy a lot of the interviews I do,

549
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Speaker 3: and that truly was a really fun one. We were

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Speaker 3: in a suite and they were going through the playbook

551
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Speaker 3: and we were just kind of at the beginning a

552
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Speaker 3: fly on the wall and watching them collaborate. These are

553
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Speaker 3: two coaches that have had connections, but they've never worked together.

554
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Speaker 3: Hackett worked with Mike's older brother Matt, in Green Bay,

555
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Speaker 3: and actually one of the earlier memories for Hackett of

556
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Speaker 3: Mike Lafleur was when Nathaniel and Matt, working for different teams,

557
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Speaker 3: were at the Combine many years ago interviewing quarterbacks and

558
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Speaker 3: they were trying to team up in these informal settings

559
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Speaker 3: to try and kill two birds with one stone and

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Speaker 3: be more efficient, and Nathaniel was recalling how Mike was

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Speaker 3: over on the side talking to the wide receivers and

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Speaker 3: all the wide receivers coaches. It was a little more

563
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Speaker 3: chaotic because they were trying to talk to some of

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Speaker 3: these prospects. And so they've known each other over the years,

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Speaker 3: and Hackett was Lafleor's successor in New York as the

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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator with the Jets, so that this is the

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Speaker 3: first time though, they're getting to work together, and we

568
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Speaker 3: got a close look at that relationship and getting to

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Speaker 3: talk to them, and also just talking about the last

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Speaker 3: few weeks. I mean it's been three weeks. In some sense,

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Speaker 3: it feels like every hour of that. In other senses,

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Speaker 3: it feels like a day for Mike Lafleur since he

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Speaker 3: put penned to paper to be the Cardinals head coach.

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Speaker 3: And what a whirl win for Nathaniel Hackett, who was

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Speaker 3: in Green Bay last year, signed to be the quarterbacks

576
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Speaker 3: coach in Miami, and fourteen days after that was announced,

577
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Speaker 3: he signs with the Cardinals as the offensive coordinator. It

578
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Speaker 3: was a fun interview that's gonna be edited soon, so

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Speaker 3: I don't know what exact day, but yes, sooner rather

580
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Speaker 3: than later, it'll be out on Easycardinals dot com and

581
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Speaker 3: just a different kind of look, some different insight into

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Speaker 3: those two leaders.

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Speaker 1: Do you get that snapshot a picture of that playbook?

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Speaker 3: And oh no, no, no, because then I would not

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Speaker 3: be If I did that, I actually would not be

586
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Speaker 3: sitting here on this podcast with you. My credential would

587
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Speaker 3: have been ripped up. True. No, I do not have

588
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Speaker 3: any secret information on the playbook specifically, and I hope

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Speaker 3: this doesn't deter people from tuning in, but you will

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Speaker 3: not either will You will not see anything from the

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Speaker 3: playbook and you won't hear specific words, but you will

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Speaker 3: get an idea of how they collaborate it through some

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Speaker 3: of those It goes back to.

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Speaker 1: The relationship, and you use the perfect word collaborate. How

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Speaker 1: are those two Mike and Nathaniel going to work together

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Speaker 1: to bring this offense to the next level whomever the

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Speaker 1: quarterback is going to be. But how do you elevate

598
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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior? How do you continue to put Michael

599
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Speaker 1: Wilson in position to be successful? And then there's Trey McBride.

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Speaker 1: He's already great, but can even maybe get a little

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Speaker 1: bit better, a percentage better whatever. I mean, there's always

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Speaker 1: something to work on in foundational pieces. You've got your

603
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Speaker 1: tied end and you've got pretty two solid wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what happens again at quarterback and even at

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Speaker 1: running back. But it's not as dire as it may

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Speaker 1: seem when you look at this offense when you have

607
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Speaker 1: certain pieces that you can play around with.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and that is the pro and the positive way

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Speaker 3: to look at things, as you do have some really

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Speaker 3: great foundational pieces to use moving forward.

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Speaker 1: So Day three really the second full day here in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: and still a lot of work to be done, including

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Speaker 1: by Danny some Moore exciting projects on the way.

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Speaker 3: Yes, some more sit down interviews with some very important

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Speaker 3: people in this organization. I've got a lot more podcast

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Speaker 3: interviews with different reporters and analysts who focus on the draft,

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Speaker 3: who our more big picture and covered the NFL, which

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Speaker 3: is exciting. And then you know, for those listening if

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Speaker 3: you missed, we had our regularly scheduled programs right Red

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Speaker 3: Sea Report, Cardinals Underground, so we still got we still

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Speaker 3: got all those things rolling out.

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Speaker 1: All there's some fun, but it's usually pretty busy here

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Speaker 1: having fun scouting combined. But yes, speaking with people and

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Speaker 1: getting to know and then there's some time to wind

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Speaker 1: down at the end of a long day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, four hours when you go to sleep.

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Speaker 1: Hey, long nights, long days. But you can afford to

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Speaker 1: do that within a week, three.

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Speaker 3: Or four days, yes, So you can afford to do

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Speaker 3: that for a few days. I will say by the

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Speaker 3: end of the first full day on Tuesday, I was

632
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Speaker 3: really feeling what was a four am local time alarm

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Speaker 3: clock for me to get up and ready to start

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Speaker 3: the day, I will tell you that.

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Speaker 1: And props to both our executive producer Jim Mamahundro and

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Speaker 1: our executive or our assistant producer, Cody Fincher. Back in Arizona,

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Speaker 1: waking up.

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Speaker 3: Early, they shout out, team players.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's all about us here on the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Well not just you and I.

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Speaker 3: No, there's all the group as a collective us. I

642
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Speaker 3: mean it is. It is about us, correct, of course,

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Speaker 3: it's all we know that we know truth.

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Speaker 1: Everyone else it doesn't matter. All right, Well, get back

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Speaker 1: to work. I will as well, And there'll be much

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Speaker 1: more coming from Indianapolis over the days this week and

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Speaker 1: certainly the weeks to come as we get closer and

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Speaker 1: closer to not only the new league year in mid March,

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our

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Speaker 1: executive producer Jim Momahundra, our associate producer Cody Fincher For

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Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty six outing combine. We'll tect you

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