1 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: Hello, Hello once again, and welcome to the latest edition 2 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: of the Hammer Territory podcast. If it seems like that 3 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: you're getting a new edition of Hammer Territory every day, 4 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: you literally are right now our third straight day with 5 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: the podcast. But it's because we're finally getting what we've 6 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: been waiting for all off season, Scott Coleman, and that's 7 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: multiple noteworthy moves and the latest springs with it not 8 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: only being notable, but very nostalgic as well. Scott Coleman 9 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: here once again. How are you so good? Seeing you again? 10 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: Hey, Sean, I'm great. It is always a pleasure to 11 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 2: do the Coleman and Coleman Law Firm show all of 12 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: America was hoping for, and honestly, we've got a really 13 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: fun show tonight with Craig Kimbrel reuniting with the Braves 14 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: after shoot a decade ago. Was when Atlanta traded him away. 15 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: I think that was just kind of a stake into 16 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 2: all of our hearts when the Braves traded kimberl Away 17 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: in his prime. That was, of course the off season 18 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: where the Braves were starting to rebuild, and it made sense, 19 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: but a beloved figure for a lot of Braves country 20 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: and it'll be fun, even if he maybe isn't quite 21 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: the phenom that he once was, it'll be a lot 22 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 2: of fun to have Craig back in Atlanta this summer. 23 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I was telling Scott but before the show, 24 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: I'll never forget the Craig Kimberle Kimberrel trade because you know, 25 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: if you could tell in my background we actually built 26 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: I can't even point right but behind me, over one 27 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: of my shoulders, I've got a couple of string guards here. 28 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: I'm a big superhero guy, right, And so I'll never 29 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: forget being in a theater with my then girlfriend now 30 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: my wife. But it was ten years ago, Scott. I 31 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: was in the theater and we were about to watch 32 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: a Ultron. I was so excited because it was one 33 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: of the bigger movies, you know, obviously of the you know, 34 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: Infinity Saga era of Marvel. But I'll never forget the 35 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: movie's about to start. It's about five o'clock. I think 36 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: it's after work, and then that bulletin comes over the phone. 37 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: Kimberl and bj Upton traded to the San Diego Padres, 38 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: so on and so forth. So do you remember where 39 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: you were when that trade occurred. I may be weird 40 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: like that, but it was one of those trades that 41 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: it was a decade ago, and I still remember what 42 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:26,399 Speaker 1: I was doing. 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: It's funny and they all kind of blend together, but 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: I think it was Easter weekend and a couple of 45 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: days before opening day, and just one of those trades, man. 46 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: I mean again, of course that was the Jason Hayward 47 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: and Justin Upton and a lot of longtime fixtures in 48 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: the organization had been moved. But yes, I similarly remember. 49 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: I think it was at my aunt's house for Easter 50 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 2: weekend or something like that when they traded away Kimberl 51 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: and gosh, I mean, what a run that guy had 52 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: with the Braves the first time around. A Crewe baby 53 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: face assassin at age twenty two when he debuted back 54 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: in twenty ten. And now he's maybe no longer a 55 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 2: baby faced assassin, but has had a I mean a 56 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: borderline Hall of fame career, and we'll see if he 57 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: has anything left in the tank. And let's hope for 58 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 2: the braves sake that he does. Yeah. 59 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you want to talk about you know, that 60 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: era gone by a decade ago. Of course, Justin Upton's 61 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: trade to the Padres netted us Max Freed, who wound 62 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: up doing pretty good in the Braves uniform. And of 63 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: course a Craig Kimberl trade. Yes, at the time, Matt 64 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: Weiesler was the top prospect who came to us. But 65 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: of course, as everybody knows by now, we got a 66 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: draft pick in that trade that turned into one player 67 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: by the name of Austin Riley. But just a ton 68 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: of fun, you know, when it comes to noting that 69 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: Craig Kimberrel is back with the Braves, someone listen, I 70 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: love numbers as much as anyone, and Craig Kimberl's time 71 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: with the Brave Scott it's defined by numbers, and it 72 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: is eye opening numbers. So, for instance, I was looking 73 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: it up, you know, through the age of twenty five. 74 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: You know the pitchers that had thrown at least two 75 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: hundred innings through the age of twenty five. Of that group, 76 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: the highest strikeout per nine rates through that group through 77 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: the age of twenty five, and here's the top five. 78 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: Josh had at fifteen point three strikeouts per nine innings, 79 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: Craig Kimberl at fifteen point one. Then You've got Kenley Jansen, 80 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: You've got Edwin Diaz, all relievers. You want to guess 81 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: who number five is? 82 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: Nolan Ryan Maybe no, no. 83 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: No, no, no, he just pitched Sunday Monday. 84 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: Oh, Spencer Strider. 85 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: Spencer Strider. Yes, that's correct. So when you look at this, 86 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: when you look at the ability to strike people out 87 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: at the start of a career, when we say there's 88 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: literally not been someone in a Braves uniform who's done 89 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: it like Strider since Kimberl. Both of them are near 90 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: the top in Major League his street when it comes 91 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: to striking people out to start a career. And that's 92 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: one thing about Craig Kimberl's Scott as we get to 93 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: start and to talk about who he is, now, that's 94 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:13,559 Speaker 1: one thing that changed about him. He's not striking people 95 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: out at historic levels, but when you look at where 96 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: he is age wise, and you look how consistent he's 97 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: been striking people out, that remains the calling card of 98 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: his repertoire. 99 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great pull and just an incredible reminder 100 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 2: of just how good Kimberrell was at one point. You 101 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: mentioned in two hundred and ninety four games with the 102 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: Atlanta Braves, Kimberl had a one point four to three ERA. 103 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: You mentioned the strikeouts, close to a forty one forty 104 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: two percent strikeout rate with the team. That is impossible 105 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: that two out of every five hitters were striking out 106 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: against Kimberl. And he was just so dominant year in 107 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 2: and year out. His ERA was great, his FIP, his 108 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: ex FIP, I mean every number for kimberrel It was 109 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: genuinely one of the greatest reliever stretches of all time. 110 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: And it was so much fun. Frankly, I feel really 111 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: old today. I vividly remember when Kimberl came up in 112 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 2: twenty ten. Funny enough, that's the year I graduated high school. 113 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: And now I'm you know, I feel like an old man. 114 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 2: I mean, Craig and I are basically the same age. 115 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: He might be a year older, but man, it's good 116 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: to have him back. And we're going to talk about 117 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: on the podcast tonight. There's a reason that he was 118 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 2: available as a minor league free agent here in the 119 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: third week of March and not a hot commodity after 120 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: a challenging season last year pretty clearly the worst season 121 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 2: of Kimberl's career, but just for the nostalgia and the 122 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 2: chance to see if there's anything left in the tank 123 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: for potentially two million dollars if and when Kimberle is 124 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: added to the big league roster, it's a worthwhile gamble 125 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: and hopefully he's able to give the Brave something in 126 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 2: the middle innings. 127 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing that I think that, you know, 128 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: we first need to start at is that, you know, 129 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: this isn't a guy in Craig Kimberl who just you know, 130 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: simply had had an unbelievable start to his career with 131 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: the Braves like we've seen some you know, notable relievers 132 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: do and then they kind of fall off because their 133 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,679 Speaker 1: arms burn out or what have you. This is Craig Kimberl, 134 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: who is fifth all time in terms of saves. This 135 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: is Craig Kimbrel who, if he has a bit of 136 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: a resurgence when it comes to the late part of 137 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: his career, could legitimately knock on the door of being 138 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer one day. Like that is definitely 139 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: a possibility. I'm not saying it's likely, I'm saying that 140 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: it is a possibility. But Scott, I think the other 141 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: thing that we need to point out is is that 142 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: we're going to get into why last year there was 143 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: a bit of struggle, but there also needs to be, 144 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, some notes in there that just as recently 145 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: as twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, Craig Kimbrell was 146 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: not only a valuable reliever, he was a valuable reliever 147 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: for teams that were winning. And I think that that 148 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: certainly is something worth noting. He's been with a lot 149 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: of teams in his career, but he's also contributed to 150 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: a lot of winning and has saved a lot of 151 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: big games. 152 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: It's kind of been the theme for this slow off 153 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: seat and for the Braves, especially on the pitching side, 154 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: where they have not added necessarily anyone of high impact 155 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: or guarantee, but a lot of the arms they acquired, 156 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: such as Hector Naris, are coming off of down twenty 157 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: twenty fours, but just as recent as twenty two and 158 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: twenty three they were quite good. And that fits Craig 159 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: Kimberl exactly. He was with the Dodgers in twenty twenty 160 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: two and the Phillies in twenty twenty three, was a closer, 161 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: at least a part time closer. Racked up twenty five 162 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: saves for both of those teams, and his statcast profile 163 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three with Philadelphia was quite good. He 164 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: was the eighty fifth percentile and expected era. Kimberl was 165 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 2: the ninety fifth percentile and expected batting average, And even 166 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: though he struggled in twenty twenty four, one theme of 167 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: Kimberl's basically since the day he came to the majors. 168 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: He gets a ton of strikeouts and a ton of 169 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: swing and miss. Where things went sideways last year is 170 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 2: Kimberrell had basically an all time high walk rate and 171 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: he's continued to give up home runs at a rate 172 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: you really don't want to relieve her to give up. 173 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 2: And we know, I mean, you can have the best 174 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: stuff in the world, but if you're walking guys and 175 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: giving up homers, it's going to be tough to make 176 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: a living in the late innings regularly if he's not 177 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 2: able to harness his command and throw more strikes and 178 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: not issue so many free passes. 179 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other thing that stands out about Kimberle 180 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: last year was that there was a notable decline in 181 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: his fastball nearly two miles per hour when it comes 182 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: to his fastball and Scott, I think the best way 183 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: to describe that is is that that just leaves so 184 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: little room for error if you're a batter who is 185 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: facing off against Craig Kimberl, that knuckle curb, that sweeper 186 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: when he breaks it out, those are still effective. But 187 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: if you just wait those out, you're either going to 188 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: likely be in a position to where you're in a 189 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: favorable count and he's either likely going to walk you, 190 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: or then you're going to get a pretty hittable fastball 191 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: that you're going to be able to put good contact on. 192 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: And that's where I'm coming from with Craig Kimberrel is 193 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: that it's just so fine of a you know, he 194 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: has just such a tight line to walk, such a 195 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: little room for error. You'll love the fact that he 196 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: still has so much swing and miss to his you know, 197 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: overall approach when he's pitching, but again, there's so much downside. 198 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: If he's not throwing strikes or locating his pitches, it 199 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: can get ugly quickly, like we saw towards the end 200 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: of last year. 201 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: And in some ways it was a tale of two 202 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: seasons for Kimberl. Last season with the Baltimore Orioles. So 203 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: on the whole, Kimberl had a five point three to 204 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 2: three ERA over fifty seven appearances with Baltimore, and Kimbrell 205 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: was so bad in the second half that he was 206 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: actually designated for assignment during the final month of the season. 207 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: I will say on the whole, Kimberle had better advanced numbers. 208 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: His FIP and next SPIP were in the low fours, 209 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: which is interesting, probably because he continues to get a 210 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 2: ton of strikeouts. But in the second half it was horrible, 211 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: I mean unpitched bad. Where Kimbrell he had a ten 212 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: point five to nine ERA in seventeen innings after the 213 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: All Star break, and opponents against Kimberle had a nine 214 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 2: to seventy eight OPS. You don't have to be a 215 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: big baseball fan to know those are very bad numbers. 216 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: There's probably some reasons why we'll talk about that here 217 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: in a minute, as to why Kimberrel really started to 218 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: get hit hard. But at least at the beginning of 219 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: the year, Kimbrell was totally fine. He was the primary 220 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: ninth inning option for Baltimore. But then, as those numbers show, 221 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: after the All Star Break. 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Go to spotan Tango dot com slash voul 242 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: use code foul to get fifty percent off your first order. 243 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: That's spotan tango dot com slash foul. It's spotan tango dot. 244 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: Com flat foul quote foul. Absolutely, And so when we 245 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: talk about finding himself again, you have to wonder with 246 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: that notable decline, with that, you know, clear decline in 247 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: his fastball velocity, is it time for a bit of 248 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: a redefinition when it comes to Kimberl. And that's something 249 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: that becomes intriguing, especially with the Braves organization. We know 250 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: that the Braves have had some success taking on older 251 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: pitchers Charlie Morton for instance, Pierres Johnson recently, some of 252 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: these older pitchers who have intriguing overall metrics when it 253 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: comes to their spin rate on their curve balls or 254 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: their breaking pitches. Craig Kimberl still has a highly effective 255 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: knuckle curve. His sweeper is something that's effective. He rarely 256 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: uses it, but it's effective. That to me is something 257 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: that we may see a higher usage of. I think 258 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: that that could make some sense now him throwing you know, 259 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: basically frisbee tight balls up there eighty percent of the time, 260 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: it's probably not going to end well, but at the 261 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: very least that that still is an effective part of 262 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: his overall arsenal. We could see the Braves emphasize him 263 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: using that a bit more to find success. 264 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: And I was looking at Kimberl's pitches from last season, 265 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 2: and his velocity was down about two miles an hour 266 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: across the board. His fastball sat around ninety four, which 267 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: you can certainly get away with, but you're gonna have 268 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: to have offspeed offerings that can get big leaguers out, 269 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: or else they're just gonna sit on that ninety four 270 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: fastball and drive it. One interesting note here, and I 271 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 2: want to give a shout out to Austin Kane Reach 272 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: on Twitter, who is also a writer over for Battery 273 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: power dot com. But Austin wondered aloud if the Braves 274 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: might kind of turn Kimberl into what Pierce Johnson is. 275 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: I know you just mentioned Pierce and Charlie who was 276 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: armed with that big curveball, but it makes sense at 277 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: this point in his career. I think it's probably fair 278 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: to say that Kimberl's knuckle curve is arguably the most 279 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: effective pitch that he has at getting big leaguers out. 280 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: And the Braves are very much an organization that likes 281 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: you to focus on your very best pitch and work 282 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: off of it. And sure, maybe a decade ago Kimberl 283 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: was just lighting up radar guns with his ninety nine fastball, 284 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: but that's not really who he is now in the 285 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: back nine of his career. I'm curious if the Braves 286 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: who might make an adjustment because last year Kimbrell had 287 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: the decreased velocity and he threw his fastball about sixty 288 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: seven sixty eight percent of the time and then the 289 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: curveball most of the time. Besides that, I do wonder 290 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: if they're going to make a change and maybe try 291 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: to get him more fifty to fifty and really try 292 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: to harness that knuckle curve which still gets a lot 293 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: of swing and miss, still has a lot of movement 294 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: as a way to kind of have him rebound. He 295 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: has clearly hitters figured out something in the second half 296 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: of last year based on those numbers. 297 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: And then also let's talk about, you know, potentially what 298 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: to expect from Kimberrel, you know, in his role. The 299 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: overall storyline you know from this is that Craig Kimberl 300 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: was going to start off this season in Gwinette probably 301 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: go through middle to late April in Gwinnette kind of 302 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: ramp up to where he knows that he can handle 303 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: a regular workload that we all know he's used to, 304 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: and then he'll become a part of the Braves bullpit. 305 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: But Scott, when it comes to that, it's going to 306 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: be a bit of a change for Kimberl. You know, 307 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: it's obvious that it's no longer going to be a 308 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: back end of the option guy. Love that experience. Perhaps 309 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: if you know you've used Ryceella Galacias a few days 310 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: in a row, Kimberl's doing all right. Maybe you use 311 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: him in a save opportunity every blue moon, but he's 312 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: going to be a middle relieve option now. And I 313 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: know that he's kind of transitioned to that over the 314 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: past few years. But that's something that really could help 315 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: the Braves out. We know that, Johnson, we know that Aglecius, 316 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: you know you Hope, Dylan Lee, Aaron Bummer. That's basically 317 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: the back end of your rotation right now. But if 318 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: Kimberl can become a reliable sixth the seventh inning guy, 319 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: that's where a lot of uncertainty in the Braves bullpen 320 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: currently is. That's not asking too much from Craig Kimbrel. 321 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: If he can become that, it's a bargain opportune for 322 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: what we have. But that's really what you're hoping for. 323 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: If there is a golden outcome from this signing for 324 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: the Braves, it's Craig Kimberl becoming a reliable six or 325 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: seventh inning guy that can give you fifty or so 326 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: innings this year of productive pitching. 327 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And maybe the fact that Kimberl's not going 328 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: to be in such a high profile, high leverage spot 329 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: for this team, He's going to be able to work 330 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: on some things and regain the level of pitcher that 331 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: he was when he was with Philadelphia and when he 332 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 2: was with LA just a couple of years ago. Because 333 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: that's that's totally fine. If that's the Craig kimber we're 334 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 2: going to get, you can ride with that in the 335 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 2: middle innings all day long. So I'm curious to see 336 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 2: what Craig's role is eventually. I mean, you said, a 337 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: perfect short of injury, Ryce sel Igalasias is not leaving 338 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: the ninth inning, and I think we're all pretty confident 339 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 2: in bullish on the other three established believers, Pierce Johnson, 340 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: Dylan Lee, Aaron Bummer. They're gonna be totally fine in 341 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 2: those late innings. It seems like Dais Bell Hernandez is 342 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 2: also going to make the roster. I know there are 343 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 2: fans who are really bullish on Day's Bell. It makes 344 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 2: sense to give him a chance to pitch, you know, 345 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 2: medium leverage, maybe high leverage if he shows he can 346 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 2: do it. And then there's of course just a lot 347 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: of question. You know, can Hector Nears still do it? 348 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 2: Can Ayell del Santos bounce back? Maybe they now incorporate 349 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 2: someone like Ian Anderson to the bullpen for a little while, 350 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 2: or as a long man, or they train Grant Holmes 351 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: to the bullpen when Spencer Striider comes back. It really 352 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: does feel like it's a bit of a puzzle, and 353 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: it's probably gonna be a puzzle for at least the 354 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: first month or so of the season, as Kimberle ramps 355 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 2: up and as Spencer Striider works its way back, and 356 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 2: we'll see what Ian Anderson is able to do and 357 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 2: what kind of role he's going to have. But again, 358 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 2: if you can get an effective Craig Kimbrel and you 359 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: can trust him in the middle innings and in middle leverage. 360 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 2: It's a worthwhile gamble. And you know what, I guess 361 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: we should say, Sean, there is a chance that Craig 362 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 2: is just washed. I don't necessarily think that's going to 363 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 2: be the case, but I mean he might show up 364 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: to spring training and then go down to Gwenette and 365 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: he just doesn't have it anymore, and the Braves say, well, 366 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: let's not just burn two million dollars, you know, thank 367 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 2: you for everything, Craig. See if you can catch on, 368 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: that is a possibility. But I am optimistic enough that 369 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: he's gonna be fine in a middle innings role whenever 370 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 2: that time comes. 371 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, And everybody you know looks at the point that 372 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: you know, the Braves have had success with some of 373 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: these overpitchers. You know, you look at Charlie Mooreton, you 374 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: look at you know, Chris Saiale here recently as well. 375 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: I just I just want to put it out there that, 376 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that the outcome of this 377 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: is going to be Craig Kimbrel Rekindling's past success like 378 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: those guys have. I also think it's a very realistic possibility. 379 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: We kind of see Craig Kimberrel have his second stint 380 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: as a Brave in kind of like Tommy Glavins did 381 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: basically fifteen years ago. You know, if you were call back, 382 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: he was either O eight or O nine. Tommy Glamon 383 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: was a Brave for a little bit, but he was 384 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: surprisingly released, and then the next day Tommy Hanson came 385 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: up and made his debut. I believe that's how that 386 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: worked out. But then we could see that same thing here. 387 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: Craig Kimberl, may you know, last for a month or two, 388 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: just doesn't have it anymore. Maybe we didn't see a 389 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: you know, intriguing name come up. The point that I'm 390 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: getting at is is that there's a wide variety of 391 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: outcomes that could come from this Craig Kimberl signing. But 392 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: the good thing is is that with it only be 393 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: in two million dollars. I know that the Braves more, 394 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: you know, the writing's kind of been on the wall. 395 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: They want to be very, very strategic with the money 396 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: that they spend. But it's still two million dollars in 397 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: a one year deal if he makes a squad, so 398 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: it's not like there's a lot of risk. There's not 399 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of downside to this. That's the 400 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: other big thing that comes from this. Craig Kimbrel doesn't 401 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: have to do too much to add value, even if 402 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: it's not for a full season. 403 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, just a little side note here, 404 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: and I got chills just thinking about it. But how 405 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 2: freaking cool is it gonna be the first time that 406 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 2: Craig Kimbrel pitches at Truest Park. They dim the lights 407 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 2: and Welcome to the Jungle starts playing, just blaring over 408 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: those Truest speakers. I mean, how I have chills right now. 409 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 2: I can see them. Just awesome. That was, of course, 410 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: such a legendary introduction for Craig, and you're absolutely right. 411 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: Maybe the Braves can find something. Maybe Craig will be 412 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: rejuvenated coming back home to Atlanta, place where he, of 413 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 2: course was so good to begin his career. If he 414 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: can give the Braves anything, even if it's for half 415 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: a season, it'll be just awesome to see. And I 416 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 2: think we are all really rooting for the guy to 417 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 2: figure it out, and hopefully with some new coaching and 418 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: some maybe changes to his arsenal, Craig can find some 419 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: ways to be more effective than what he was last year. 420 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: Well, the other thing is, as we wrap up this 421 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: edition of the Hammer Territory podcast, got that I want 422 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on is a couple of quick 423 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: fire questions here. Number one is that you know, we 424 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: saw yesterday obviously the signing of James McCann, but the 425 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: surprising move to trade on hel Perdomo to the Angel 426 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: someone that many a thought was, you know, kind of 427 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: a clear you know, lot to be on the Braves roster. 428 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: When it came to their bullpen, we were waiting for 429 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: the other shoe to drop. That other shoe was this 430 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: Craig Kimberl signing. But now now we go into the season, 431 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: you talk about what role will Ian Anderson have? You 432 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: talk about, well, a j Smith shover be in that 433 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: starting rotation. The thing about it is that, yeah, I 434 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: could see both of them making the squad to start 435 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, the season. But then you've got Spencer Strider. 436 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: Then you've got Craig Kimbrel who were coming down the 437 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: pipe probably in mid to late April. The point that 438 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: I'm getting at is that some of these pitchers that 439 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: are going to make the opening day roster, they clearly 440 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: are going to have a very short leash when it 441 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: comes to making the most of their opportunity. If they struggle, 442 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: there are multiple arms that are going to be coming 443 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: back that you know are going to be a preference 444 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: to make the squad. So I think this adds a 445 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: bit more to the dynamic of Yes, certain pitchers may 446 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: make the opening day roster, but it's pretty clear that 447 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: if they struggle the ritings on the wall, they're not 448 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: going to stay there for long. 449 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. And it's what it was the line competition 450 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: breeds greatness or something like that. I mean, you better 451 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 2: pitch well or you're going to be out of a job, 452 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 2: especially if you're one of these fringe guys who are 453 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 2: battling tooth and nail for a bullpen spot or even 454 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 2: the back end of the rotation. I feel like we 455 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 2: talk about Ian Anderson on every single show, and with 456 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 2: reason that's a big talking point. But if Ian's on 457 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 2: the opening day roster and isn't pitching well and the 458 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 2: Braves have to find now not one but two roster spots, 459 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I mean, can you can you 460 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: keep them around? It's probably gonna be tough. Similarly, if 461 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 2: you're Hector Naris, or on De Loos Santos. If you 462 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 2: come out of the gate and you've given up five 463 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 2: runs in your first three appearances and Craig Kimberl's ready 464 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 2: to go, you know, you're probably going to get a 465 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 2: call into Brian Sticker's office and get a handshake and say, 466 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 2: you know, good luck. So you're right, that's a good point. 467 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 2: The Braves on opening day are going to be nowhere 468 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 2: near what they're probably going to look like a couple 469 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: of weeks into the season. It doesn't impact it. But 470 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: of course you're also going to get a Kunya on 471 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: the offensive side, which is even more exciting. But yes, 472 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 2: it's going to be a real battle, and hopefully the 473 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 2: Braves perform well enough out of the gate without there 474 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: I guess three or four players now that it forces 475 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 2: the front office and the coaching staff to have to 476 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 2: make a tough decision because they don't necessarily want to 477 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 2: cut someone free, but frankly, they might have to do it. 478 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: And the other point that I'll make is this is 479 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: that you know, again two straight days of the Braves 480 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: signing veterans who probably wanted to, you know, wait through 481 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: the offseason to have a bigger payday, but they just 482 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: want the chance to play now. So the Braves were 483 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: able to get them at potential bargains. Now again, I'm 484 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: not expecting much out of James McCann. He may not 485 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: even make the team to start the season. Craig Kimberll 486 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: we hope can offer some type of value. There's a 487 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: chance he may not. I'm bringing this point up, Scott 488 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: to where this may not be the end. We may 489 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: still see another name or two, kind of like a 490 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: Hector Norris, those veterans who you know have recently had 491 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: success in years movie they're coming off a down year, 492 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: someone like and Drew Smiley. I don't think that he's 493 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: signed anywhere as of yet, But the point that I'm 494 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,239 Speaker 1: getting at is he's a familiar name that you know 495 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: we had a bit of success here. He's had a 496 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: bit of success in recent years. He's a burst of arm. 497 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: Could he be someone that the Braves can potentially bring 498 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: in to be an option. The point that I'm getting 499 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: at is, since we're getting so close to the season, 500 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: we're starting to see some of these bargains come up. 501 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: The Braves may not be done adding notable names into 502 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: the organization that could play some type of value barrole 503 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: this year. 504 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, they certainly could. And we're kind of now in 505 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 2: the desperation zone for pitchers and players in general, where 506 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 2: I'm sure that a month and a half ago Craig 507 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: Kimberrell and his agent were looking for more than a 508 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: two million dollar non guaranteed minor league deal and he 509 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: frankly didn't get it, and may at this point, Craig, 510 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 2: he's financially set for life. He doesn't have to just 511 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 2: take any job anytime the phone rings. But there are 512 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: there's still a lot of free agents, maybe not a 513 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 2: ton of needle movers. I don't know what's going on 514 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 2: with David Robertson. That's a weird situation. But you know what, 515 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: maybe Robertson says, all right, I want to pitch one 516 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 2: more year and I'll do it for five million dollars 517 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 2: and they take him. Or I can hear Brad Roland 518 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: cheering in the background, but maybe it is Drew Smiley. 519 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 2: Maybe they go ad Smiley as kind of that Josh 520 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 2: Tomlin type of guy if they don't have a lot 521 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 2: of confidence in some of their other longman for the 522 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: bullpen options. We'll see, but it's interesting that as we 523 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: are now eight or nine days away from opening day, 524 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: the Braves continue to refine the roster. And I'm glad 525 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 2: you said that because, frankly, we could wake up tomorrow 526 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: or in a couple days and have another transaction because 527 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: clearly they are not totally in love with their twenty 528 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: six man roster right now. 529 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and of course if it leads to other transactions, 530 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: especially past Braves. You know, we're not just here for 531 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: the notable signings and the prospects and the unexpected performances. 532 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: We're here for nostalia. Scott himself is forty nine years old. 533 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: He's here to reclaim the glory days. When it comes 534 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: to the Braves, He's not actually forty nine, I'm a 535 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: bit older. My point is, though, so many different opportunities 536 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: that we could see happen over the next ten days 537 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: or so, but we're going to have it all here 538 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: for you, not only in terms of the details, but 539 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: the breakdowns as well as. Here's all the outcomes that 540 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: could potentially happen. Here's why some outcomes may be more 541 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: likely than other. Scott, anything else from you as we 542 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: wrap up this, Craig Kimber, welcome back. To Atlanta edition 543 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: of the hem a Territory podcast. 544 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 2: Yeah you said it all, Sean. We will be here 545 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 2: day and night whenever the Braves make moves. Of course, 546 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 2: this time, I mean this time two weeks from right now, 547 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 2: when folks are listening, we'll have a game to talk 548 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 2: about and opening dal will be here before we know it. 549 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 2: If you're a new listener, welcome, we cover the Braves. 550 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 2: We'll have at least three, four, sometimes even five shows 551 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: a week moving forward up until hopefully deep into October 552 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 2: and early November. And if you're a longtime listener, wanted 553 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: to get this show in of course, maybe not a 554 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 2: full on emergency pod for Kimberle at this point in 555 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: his career, but a fun show nonetheless, a really fun 556 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 2: reunion with a guy who was just so beloved. I mean, 557 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 2: if you ask any Braves fan, what do you remember 558 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 2: of Craig Kimbrel, I mean, just all good things. He 559 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: was just so electric and so nasty when he was 560 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 2: with Atlanta, And it'll be great to have him at 561 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: Truest and hopefully he'll be a nice piece and a 562 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 2: nice edition to this bullpen, especially if he's not necessarily 563 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 2: being counted on for the highest of leverage and ninth innings. 564 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll end on this note. I have a 565 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: good buddy of mine who actually named his daughter after 566 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: Craig kimberl and she was born right after Kimberle was traded, 567 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: right before right after kimberll Re was traded to the Padres. 568 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: He cannot wait to be able to take her to 569 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: a game, to be able to see Kimberle in a 570 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,959 Speaker 1: Brave's uniform. That just shows you when you're beloved by 571 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: Braves country, no matter how long it's been since you've 572 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: been in Brave if you once you return, you're still 573 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: going to be beloved. And we're just hoping Craig kimberll 574 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: can rekindle some of that magic that made him so 575 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: dominant in the past as a Brave. For Scott Coleman, 576 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: who you could find at Scott Coleman fifty five, one 577 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: of the best when it comes to breaking down the 578 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: Braves and baseball as well as as well as by 579 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: the way the NCUBA Tournament, Do not forget. Do not 580 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: forget you have the chance to match your smarts when 581 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: it comes to picking them in the nc Double Attorney 582 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: against myself, Scott Coleman, Brad Rowland and Steven Tolbert. If 583 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: you can say you could beat Steven Scott, Coleman and 584 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: Brad Rowland, you don't have a chance in hell against me. 585 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm kidding, but my point is if you could beat 586 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: those other three guys, it's going to be a day 587 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: worth remembering. Scott. Make sure you give the details to 588 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: where all people can find their ability to still enter 589 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: the tourney breakdown or Attorney Bracket Challenge with Hammer Territory. 590 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 2: That's right, folks, have until about noon Eastern time on 591 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 2: Thursday before the first game of the tournament if you 592 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: want to try to beat Sean and his inevitable Tennessee 593 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: volunteers going all the way six and oh with a 594 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 2: twenty point spread on every single win. Yeah, he's shaking 595 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 2: his head, he knows. Yeah, you can go either on 596 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 2: the We've tweeted out the link. It's on ESPN Hammer 597 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: Territory for Braves fans. If you want to submit your bracket, 598 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: please do. It'll be great for bragging rights. We're going 599 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 2: to try to get some swag from the Foul Territory 600 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 2: overlords to send to the winner and should be a 601 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: lot of fun. Last time I looked, there was already 602 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty five entries or something like that 603 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: as of earlier today. So again, Hammer Territory on ESPN 604 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 2: for their March Madness Challenge. We'll put it in our 605 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 2: show notes as well, but please do feel free to 606 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: enter and should be a lot of fun. 607 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely always fun to do these with you, Scott, Pleasure 608 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: talk with you. You know, we'll stick around and you know, 609 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: talk a bunch of basketball baseball right after the show. Hey, 610 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of our listeners do the same. 611 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: That's what makes the show so awesome. For Scott Coleman 612 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: at Scott Coman fifty five on x slash Twitter. My 613 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman at Stat's Sec on x slash Twitter. 614 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: You can find Hammer Territory across all forms of social media, 615 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: part of the Foul Territory family of podcasts across all 616 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: forms of social media as well. Make sure you check 617 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: out all the great content. Until next time, Go Braves. 618 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Atlanta, Craig Kimbrel, We'll talk to you 619 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: again soon here on the Hammer Territories