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Speaker 1: Podcast On a gloomy and very cold, dreary, and wet

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Speaker 1: you know, especially back in the day before salary caps

425
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 1: and stuff. Certain owners separated themselves and Genie Buss sucks.

426
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 1: She's awful. The only reason the Lakers are even remotely

427
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 1: relevant it is because Lebron James, a very rich guy,

428
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: decided he wanted to live in Los Angeles. It had

429
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the clown franchise, just he wanted

430
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: to live in l A. The Dolphins are a way

431
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 1: shittier version of the Lakers because they have way less

432
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: history over the last like thirty or forty years. But

433
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: it's all this hype, it's all this glamor about where

434
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: the city is and where the team plays. But they

435
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: never actually they're always involved in these rumors and it's like,

436
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 1: what are we even talking about? That is not gonna happen.

437
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 1: And I said it a couple of weeks ago. I

438
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 1: get exhausted with the Dolphins, like Tom Brady is gonna

439
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: demand a trade there, and there's gonna be a part

440
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: owner and listen, there might be some validity to some

441
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 1: of that, but it felt like a pretty big stretch,

442
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, they're gonna trade for Sean Payton.

443
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 1: Then Sean Payton even said like, yeah, if I was

444
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 1: gonna coach next year, I was gonna do with the Saints,

445
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: why would I go to Miami? Like I'm already super rich.

446
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: Back in the day, you could steal coaches, And now

447
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: it happens in baseball, right when the ace who are

448
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 1: just an embarrassment. Actually they're not an embarrassment on the

449
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: field because Billy Bean is honestly one of the best

450
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 1: general managers in the history of any sport, but their

451
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: owners just a complete cheap skate. He makes Dean Spanos

452
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: look like Jerry Jones. And every good team comes in

453
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: piggybacks their guys, right the the the the Braves, the Yankees,

454
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. Who for the Dodgers you just come and

455
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: the Mets you take one of their good players. Right,

456
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: They're just they're like the minor league version of a

457
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: major league team. And I do think when you look

458
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: at Sean Payton, you go, why would you want to

459
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: go there? Like, it's not like Sean Payton was making

460
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 1: four million dollars and you're gonna pay him twenty He

461
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,199
Speaker 1: was making like fifteen million dollars coach in the Saints

462
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: and his team was good. And if you watched his

463
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: final press conference, he said, the craziest part about being

464
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: a head coach at this franchise is we had tried

465
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: for so long to develop a team and get a

466
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: well round team. For a large part of the two

467
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: thousand tens, we were just good on offense and our

468
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: defense up and we finally got a top flight defense,

469
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 1: and he was just worn out. And part of it

470
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 1: they didn't the quarterback situation was up in the air.

471
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: But I just they're just always part of these rumors.

472
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: It's always like the Lakers are the same deal, like, oh,

473
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna do this and that, they're gonna get Sam Pressy,

474
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna get Nick. No, you're not. You're not gonna

475
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,959
Speaker 1: do any of that. You've done one thing in a decade.

476
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: It's because Lebron James wanted to live in l A.

477
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna do shit. You know, the only reason

478
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: you got Anthony Davis is because you literally traded the

479
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: farm form. You traded the farm form and he he

480
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: quit on the Pelicans. So it's like, yeah, you didn't

481
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 1: get them because like you did this crazy deal. No,

482
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: you traded seven million draft picks and seven players for

483
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis who quit on the Pelicans, right because Lebron

484
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: James wanted to live in l A. And Clutch runs

485
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 1: your franchise like the Dolphins. You're all like you've got

486
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill simply because you made him seventy two million

487
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: dollars and you traded the Chiefs like eight picks. It's

488
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: not you. It's like you're not a well run franchise.

489
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: And it starts with the owner, who clearly is a

490
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: really successful guy, and it's just runs a clown operation

491
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 1: and they're just always involved in like yeah, that's not

492
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but it's always their name. The only thing

493
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: I've ever agreed with the owner is like paying Brian

494
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: Flores tank, it would have changed their franchise. Brian Flores,

495
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 1: Fuck them. There is no debating that they ended up

496
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: with two a tongue by Looa instead of Justin Herbert

497
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: but mainly Joe Burrow. That was a whole goal tank

498
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: all season. They won three the last five games, and

499
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: now they're in this conundrum of always winning seven eight

500
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: games and just being irrelevant but always talked about like

501
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: kind of relevant and trying to do things like acquire

502
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill. That looks good on paper, but it's gonna

503
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: be Dan Snyder mid two thousands type move. Oh you

504
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: got Tyreek Hill and then he catches seventy balls to me,

505
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 1: that's got that written all over where he gets hurt

506
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: and he plays ten games. But I'm just the Dolphins,

507
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: like the Lakers, they just exhaust me. The draft, typically,

508
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: for the last several years, this time of year has

509
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: been an explosive lot of stories, Right, Who's gonna go? Where?

510
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: Where are the star quarterbacks gonna go? Your draft is

511
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: as strong as the top. And when you say the top,

512
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: it starts with the quarterbacks. When you have an Andrew Lock,

513
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: when you have an r G three, when you have

514
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: just Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, Sam Donald, that crop even

515
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: last year, Trevor Lawrence, Zack Wilson. It doesn't mean they're

516
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: gonna be good players, but it does mean their name

517
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: recognition and fans. If there are two or three quarterbacks

518
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: that you view as guys gonna get drafted in the

519
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: top ten, fans go, if we get one of these guys,

520
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: he can resurrect our franchise. Whether that's true or not,

521
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: and whether that turns out to come to fruition, no

522
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: one knows. I say it all the time next week

523
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: on Thursday and Friday, when guys make first round picks

524
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: in second round picks. The cool part of the draft

525
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: is obviously the kids who are just having so much excitement.

526
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine the jubilation of your parents or

527
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: grandparents or coaches, your brothers or sisters, your friends, your girlfriends, whatever.

528
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: It's an all time moment. It's an all time moment.

529
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: Getting drafted into the NFL doesn't get any cooler from

530
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: just a pure there's a purity to it of just joy,

531
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: hard work, you know kind of uh. I wouldn't say

532
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: accomplishing your dreams, but having a dream come true because

533
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: you still want to you still want to be a

534
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: good player, then, but you have a dream come true.

535
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: You're drafted in the NFL, and whether you're draft in

536
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: the first round or draft in the six round. It

537
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: is an incredible human accomplishment. A tiny, tiny percentage of

538
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: people get draft in the NFL in the history of

539
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: the sport, right, Just like having a podcast is not

540
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: a great accomplishment. Right, I have a podcast. I have

541
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: a couple of podcasts. A lot of people have podcasts. Now,

542
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: are they successful or not? That's a whole different discussion.

543
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: But like, anyone can have a podcast, like anyone can

544
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: get a job, right, Getting draft in the NFL is unreal.

545
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: It's like becoming a head coach in the NFL is very,

546
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: very difficult to do. But I'd argue it's easier to

547
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: become a head coach in the NFL than it is

548
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: to get drafted in the NFL. So you're gonna see

549
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: these guys get drafted, and the excitement in the draft

550
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: rooms is cool because you get you draft a player,

551
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: and for the most part, at least, people fake it.

552
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: Everyone's excited in the room. People are high fiving, people

553
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: are hugging the owners, given fist pounds. Everyone's kind of

554
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: yeah pumping, fist pumping tiger Wood style. It's sweet. You

555
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: do all this work. I mean, if you're scout, you've

556
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: been working since last summer doing information, doing due diligence.

557
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: Then you spend all fall going to the schools getting

558
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: to know the player, digging in with the coaches, digging

559
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: in with the film. Then you have the off season

560
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: when you're just interviewing guys, really developing your board. You

561
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time. This is the lifeblood of

562
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: the team. It's it's a great moment, but like you

563
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: don't really know how it's gonna turn out. You hope

564
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: for the best and those every single all thirty two teams. Well,

565
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: this year's weird because I think seven or eight teams

566
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: when you have a first round pick, so you know

567
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: there are several teams with like countless first round picks.

568
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: I mean I think there are eight or nine teams.

569
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: I think I said this I wrote down a couple

570
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, whatever the exact see. I think it's

571
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: eight eight teams of multiple first round picks. That's pretty nuts.

572
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: And as we talked about earlier this week, two teams

573
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: have multiple picks in the top ten, right, the Jets

574
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: and the Giants have two picks in the top ten.

575
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: That's insane. So they're gonna be very very fired up

576
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: after they make their selections. But from a front office

577
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: standpoint in Texas with just different guys in the league,

578
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: for the most part, the hey is in the barn,

579
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: and I would say by it latest like Friday or Saturday,

580
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: the draft boards are set for teams like every guy

581
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: is in their slotted area, and you, as a general

582
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: manager and as a front office whether it's your sister

583
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: and GM, your coach, have to kind of get to

584
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: a spot where you go only the first and second

585
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: teams that are drafting, right, the Jags, the Lions have

586
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: a pretty good idea who they're gonna take. Right if

587
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: they take this guy, if your Lions, if they take him,

588
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna take him. If they don't take him, we're

589
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: gonna take him. But if you're drafting like tenth, if

590
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: you're the Jets, you have to have a cluster thirteenth

591
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: of the Texans team and the teams you have a

592
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: cluster of three or four players, and you start going

593
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: through these mock drafts and you go, if this group

594
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: of players is here, what is our order? So once

595
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: you get to the draft, you don't freak out on

596
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: draft night, who do we take? You start doing these

597
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: things now, at least in the first round. Once you

598
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: get past pick thirty two, it's hard to know. There

599
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: are way too many variables. And I remember when I

600
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: was at the goes how he would always reset the

601
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: board after the first round and then again after the

602
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: third round, so you knew the group of players left

603
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: who you like, and then you could kind of recluster.

604
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: But as of Thursday night, going into the draft, you

605
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: have to have an idea if you're picking four teen,

606
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: if you're picking eight, if you're picking a group of

607
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: two or three players that you are pretty confident are

608
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: gonna be there, and obviously they are curveballs, they're gonna

609
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: be guys that you didn't expect to go higher, might

610
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: push down other players. It's hard to know, but you

611
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 1: have to do some educated guessing of who would you

612
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: take given this group of players is there, and then

613
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: kind of rank them. So when you get to draft night,

614
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: it's not, you know, a ship show. You have a

615
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: good idea, and that's basically what everyone is doing now.

616
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: They have spent the set last basically month, locking in

617
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: their grades on guys, locking in who they like, where

618
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: they like them, really any question marks, doing their due diligence.

619
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: Colin coaches, colin agents, talking to the player, talking to

620
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: uh other players on your own team, interviewing players when

621
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: you bring them in about that specific player that you're

622
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: interested in, might be a teammate, might be a guy

623
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: they played against, and really just this is I mean,

624
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: for the last six months the information that you gather.

625
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: The hardest part is you can get an unlimited about

626
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: information from coaches, from academic people, from family members, from teammates,

627
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: and you have to decipher what is real, what you value,

628
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: and what doesn't really matter. And that to me, why

629
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: this will always be in an exact science, that this

630
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: will never be some robotic thing because you're dealing with

631
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: human beings and the other thing that you can never answer.

632
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: And I always thought this was fascinating because you you

633
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: had to ask this when you were scout. You'd have

634
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: to ask, like, how do you think you'll handle money?

635
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: I think how stupid that question is, Like you can

636
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: give me a guess how you think the guy will

637
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 1: handle money, but you don't really know, Like, yeah, we're

638
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: gonna draft this guy fourth overall and we're gonna give

639
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Speaker 1: him twenty eight million dollars or whatever the number is

640
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: for the slot, right, we're about to give this guy

641
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: in the top five thirty three million dollars like I

642
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: saw Cabon Thibodeaux. He has said this couple of times now, Uh,

643
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: I want to be a billionaire. And you see sometimes

644
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: like if you fall motivational people or you know, just

645
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: high level people on Instagram, tell you be very careful

646
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: who you tell your dreams too, because the majority of

647
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: people don't dream that big, and they'll try to shoot

648
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: it down because ultimately, like saying I want to become

649
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: a billionaire, if he loves business, like, that's not a

650
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: bad thing. But I my pushback on that, Like, to me,

651
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: that comment makes me go, and I'm pro money. I'm

652
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: pro business. I'm pro billionaires, like I'm not anti I'm

653
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: pro Elon Musk. You know, I'm pro Jeff Bezos. But

654
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: I think when you say that at twenty two, do

655
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: you really know what you're saying or are you just

656
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: saying that because that's what kind of looks cool on

657
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: social media. A lot of people like saying their entrepreneurs like,

658
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: are you actually cool with having no W two the

659
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: rest of your life until you create the company and

660
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: then pay yourself a W two? On money? That you

661
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: have to, you know, make like it's it's it's easy

662
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: to say it's like everyone's a CEO on Instagram, right,

663
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: but are you really or do you just like the

664
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: thought of being a ceo? You know? And I do

665
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: wonder it's a hard balance because I would say that

666
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: most billionaires, and I could be wrong at this, didn't

667
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: necessarily set out to be a billionaire. They set out

668
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: to be successful and do create a good business and

669
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: then obviously right timing, right product, whatever it takes off.

670
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 1: But I would say that like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning,

671
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: didn't set off to be like worth as much as

672
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: they were worth. They were just obsessed with being great

673
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: at football. It's always my issue, and I get white

674
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: kids say it because the media never shuts up about it.

675
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: And the irony is the media hates business, but they

676
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: don't hate it. Like when a player gets involved, it's

677
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: a weird deal, but they're like, did he get the bag?

678
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: What about his brand? Like I hate the brand thing

679
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: because Michael Jordan's brand happened when Michael Jordan became a

680
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: dominant player. Tiger Woods developed this clothing line for Nike

681
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: when he started banging off major's if Tiger Woods had

682
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: won one career major, Nike Golf never really exists. The

683
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: Jordan brand isn't the Jordan, And if Michael won one

684
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: NBA championship, Like, part of creating a brand as an

685
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: athlete is the greatness behind it, right you have to

686
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: Like it's always like Carmelo and all these guys that

687
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: were obsessed with their brands, like you're not. You just

688
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: keep talking about it, but you're not that good, Like

689
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: Steph Curry tries to create these brands, and whether they

690
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: work or not, who knows, but at least there's a

691
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: lot of substance behind Steph Curry. Like Steph Curry was

692
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: able to create brands because he started winning chips, started

693
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: win m vps, started kicking the ship out of everyone

694
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: he played. So when you start talking about your brand

695
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: and stuff and you haven't really accomplished anything, that's always

696
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: a turn off to me. I have no problem once

697
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: you become like once Cam Newton starts going to Pro

698
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: Bowls and winning, you can talk about brand whatever. He's

699
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: accomplished a lot, and I understand why it's gonna put

700
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: some turn some people off, But I don't some of

701
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: these college athletes that are obsessed with it. Now, obviously

702
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: I sound like old get off my lawn guy, and

703
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,959
Speaker 1: clearly things are changing with n I l that doesn't

704
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: even bother me. But when you say this stuff, it's like, well,

705
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: are you just like part of being a billionaires working

706
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: for thirty fifty years, Like there's one Zuckerberg that's able

707
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: to do it at like twenty. Most guys are not

708
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: that right. It takes a long time, Like are you

709
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: just okay working in the dark and just grinding? And

710
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: I think that's the question on a specific player like that. Now,

711
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be alone, Like I think

712
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: that's a type comment that a lot more guys are

713
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: gonna say. And I think you're gonna have to balance

714
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: as a GM as a front office person, Like is

715
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: he just saying that because you think that's the cool

716
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: thing to say, or is he obsessed with being great?

717
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: Because if he's obsessed with being great, like, yeah, it'll

718
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: lead to a lot of money. Because if you're obsessed

719
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: with being great as an athlete and you're really good athlete,

720
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: like in Major League football or I mean major league

721
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: baseball in the NFL and the NBA and golf or whatever,

722
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: and you have the talent and you're you're willing to

723
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: do whatever it takes, you're gonna be good. And if

724
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: you're good, you're gonna make money. Like the money follows success.

725
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of guys think, like I

726
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: just want the money. We gotta be successful. Now, bad

727
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: teams pay. You know, I would say less successful people,

728
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: uh more in the other sports than probably in football.

729
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: But I I just think you've got to be very

730
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: very careful as a young guy when you're coming out,

731
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: when people have questions on you, what you say. And

732
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: I would argue that just in general, uh, you know,

733
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: be very very careful what you say about your dreams

734
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: and your aspirations to other people, because most people, if

735
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: you're a big dreamer, you know, aspirational person, aren't gonna

736
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: align with you. And it's it's very easy to be negative.

737
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: It's what thrives on Twitter. If I just tweeted out

738
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: five things that I hope to accomplish in the next

739
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: five years, the majority of the comments would be making

740
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: fun of me. I was saying, you'll never do this,

741
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: you can't accomplish this, right. But if I wrote those

742
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: down in my own journal or my own phone, I'm

743
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: more likely and it works. I did it before I'm looking.

744
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: I wrote down two thousand twenty goals that if I

745
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: would have said this out loud in two thousand twenty,

746
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people would have been like, what are

747
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: you talking about? Maybe a couple of them pretty normal,

748
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: But I don't know, and listen, I don't I'm not

749
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: Tony Robin here or anything. But I do think that

750
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: ship works now. I think it's different when you start

751
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: saying I'm gonna be a billionaire, right, But like if

752
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: Cabon was just like, I want to do whatever it

753
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: possible to be a Pro Bowl NFL player, Well, once

754
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: you become a Pro Bowl NFL player, gonna become very rich.

755
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: I think you just gotta be very very careful with that,

756
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: and I think you ought to. And as as coaches

757
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 1: and scouts right now, you're trying to balance like because

758
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: ultimately you're acquiring the person as much as the player.

759
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: And I think the biggest differentiating factor of success and

760
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: non success there are several variables, right, Some stuff is

761
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: out of your control, like who your coaches, if you

762
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: go play for the Browns and Lines, or if you

763
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,479
Speaker 1: go play for Belichick right, or Sean McVeigh. So where

764
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: you land definitely matters, but who you are as a

765
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: person definitely matters. How hard you're willing to work, how

766
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: much it means to you. It's not easy. The thing

767
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: with football, I'm watching baseball. Baseball is on every day.

768
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: You just play every day. So if I go over

769
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Speaker 1: four yesterday, where I go, I don't have a hit

770
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: all week. I get to play on Monday, I get

771
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: to play on Tuesday. I get to just keep swinging. Right.

772
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: If in basketball you get seven games, here, I have

773
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: a shitty game one, you get game too, you get

774
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: you're guaranteed four games, even in the playoffs, let alone

775
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: the regular season. In football, like you have a bad game,

776
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: you gotta wait a week, and then you gotta go

777
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: through the film, you gotta get yelled at, you gotta

778
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: go to treatment, you gotta train, then you gotta go

779
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: to practice, and then you gotta watch the film and practice,

780
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: and then you gotta figure out what didn't work in practice,

781
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: and you got It's hard. It's hard. It is such

782
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: a unique sport that way, because so much of your

783
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: time is spent preparing. It's spent preparing right, and That's

784
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: why you really got to differentiate right now. And I

785
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: mean you've already done this if you're a GM or

786
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: coach or NFL team, But like, who's smart enough, who

787
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: can handle it? And even if they're not quote unquote

788
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: some elite intellect, are they willing to overcome it? As

789
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: a coach? What I had a Jim Washburn told me

790
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: this that a talented guy can overcome not being that smart.

791
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: And obviously in football you gotta take in a lot

792
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: of information if he works hard, but you cannot overcome

793
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 1: dumb and lazy. You can't. And even if you're smart,

794
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: if you are lazy, you can get by early on

795
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 1: in your career with just pure talent, but eventually work

796
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: ethic catches up to you. So the lazy aspect. And listen,

797
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: some guys, you think about your own jobs. How many

798
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: people you know can just get by without working hard.

799
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: I remember when I went to cal Poly, uh, one

800
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: of my roommates and my neighbor guy actually I grew

801
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: up with in Davis Jesse Dundon. He's one of the

802
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: smartest guys I've ever met. Guys brilliant went on to

803
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: start his own company. He just sold it made a

804
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: bunch of money. He's crushing it. He's crushing The guy

805
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: is brilliant. He should not even have to study and

806
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: get straight a's in college. And he wasn't like one

807
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: of the hardest majors at cal Poly, which is a

808
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: great like engineering, architecture, engineering. I forget exactly what his

809
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: major is, but he wasn't easily one of the hardest.

810
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: I was in an easy major and I had to

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Speaker 1: study my ass off just to ask classes because school

812
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: board me it didn't do anything for me. So I like,

813
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: I didn't listen in class because it didn't hold my attention.

814
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: And when I tried to study, it was hard for

815
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: me to study. It did nothing for me. With football stuff.

816
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: Now with business stuff, it's easy to hold my attention.

817
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: Academia did not. But it came so easy just because

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00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: he's brilliant. Remember I lived with him my second year,

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00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, Oh, he's just wine Wednesday's drinking

820
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: beers on Tuesday, and he's just school, no problem. I

821
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: almost got keecked out of school. I was on academic

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00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: probation because I just was like, I'll just do the

823
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: same thing. And I was like, oh shoot, I don't

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00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: know anything when the test came, so you you had

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00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: to figure out. And most people are like me, where

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00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: you do have to work kind of hard to accomplish something.

827
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: But at the highest level of any industry, some guys

828
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: are gonna be able to circumvent that a little bit.

829
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 1: But even in athletics, it catches up to you maybe

830
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: two years in five years in so you can overcome

831
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Speaker 1: not quite being the Peyton Manning of the playbook, right

832
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: if you work your ass off, But but you cannot.

833
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: You cannot overcome big picture, a shitty work ethic and

834
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: don't care. And sometimes being lazy is just simply like

835
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't lazy. I just didn't like school. Some people

836
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: don't like football, right, and it's why they always ask

837
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: that question. It's why you have to find out do

838
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: these guys like football? Because if they like football, they're

839
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 1: more willing to work and more willing to put more

840
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: time in. It's why I say, like, listen, it's cliche,

841
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: but when you find something you love to do, it's

842
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: so much easier to work. Like sometimes I'll forget I

843
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: did something, I have to do it, and I'll just

844
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: come back to my office at nine thirty at night

845
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Speaker 1: or in the middle of the night at like four am, like, oh,

846
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: I didn't do this and I'll get up. If I

847
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: was working for someone that I hated and didn't want

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning like it meant a lot to Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: All these guys training means something to you. So it's

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