WEBVTT - How X-Rays Work

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

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<v Speaker 1>Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant as always, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry over there fiddling around with stuff. So it's stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you should know the podcast, not stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 1>The movie. That's right. You know we were one secrecy

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<v Speaker 1>about that. That'd be a good movie. That'd be a

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<v Speaker 1>bad movie. I don't know, man, I could go either way.

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<v Speaker 1>I always see I imagine it like strange brew. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yes they could. Uh, they could based it on the

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff you Should Know tell all book I'm writing. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be exciting. That would be very exciting. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to that book like a lifetime movie the Week.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you like um switch people's names like in my

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<v Speaker 1>um Joe Joe Clack. Yeah, exactly. No, it's sort of like,

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<v Speaker 1>uh like did you see the uh Saved by the

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<v Speaker 1>Bell movie? Oh yeah, I didn't Screech write a book.

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<v Speaker 1>It was based on a book by Screech. Right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't it like all sex and drugs and stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it was, you know, it was a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>teenagers in Hollywood. So sure, there was some of that

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<v Speaker 1>in there, but it was I didn't read the book.

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<v Speaker 1>But the movie was bad and not nearly as salacious

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<v Speaker 1>as you wanted it to be, right. I remember a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people being disappointed, and I remember, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I recalled it like two weeks ago when people were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it when it came out. It stunk. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>watch Emily and I'll watch some of those, um just terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>terrible biopics occasionally on TV, and it's it can be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we watched the who was the one actor Brittany Murphy?

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<v Speaker 1>The Britney Murphy story? Oh? Really? Does she have a

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<v Speaker 1>heck of a story? Is she alive still? Or did

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<v Speaker 1>she die? She passed away because under kind of weird

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<v Speaker 1>circumstances because she and her husband both passed away within

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<v Speaker 1>weeks of each other, and there were all these strange

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<v Speaker 1>claims that her house was poisoned, that they were poisoned,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, yeah, it was it was fun. What's your

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<v Speaker 1>take on it? Oh, I don't know, you just that

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<v Speaker 1>the movie wasn't very good. Who played Brittany Murphy? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you remember someone who didn't look very much like Brittany Murphy?

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<v Speaker 1>Julie Bowen but I was right. The Ashton Kutcher guy

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty good, though. I gotta say Steve Jobs played him.

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<v Speaker 1>They should have just gotten Ashton Kutcher to play himself.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not doing much. He's not my two and a

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<v Speaker 1>half Men. I don't know. That's got to require fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>minutes of work a week. He's selling cameras. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember when that whole Two and a half Men thing

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<v Speaker 1>was going down? We were in l a And for

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<v Speaker 1>the one and only time in my entire life, I

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<v Speaker 1>see John Cryer that day. Oh, during the Charlie Sheen meltltown,

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<v Speaker 1>like the day of the meltown, like it happened at night.

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<v Speaker 1>And within eight hours I saw John Cryer for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time in Personeta McDonald's did you feel Duckie? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I left him alone. He looks sturessed out. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's probably like, my career is going down the tubes.

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<v Speaker 1>But little did he know he's a survivor. His career

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<v Speaker 1>is just fine. So x rays, Yeah, that's what we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, right, yep. The lightest part of this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I like this one. This one. It's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things where if you can just hang on by your fingernails.

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<v Speaker 1>It can click and then you lose it again, but

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<v Speaker 1>that means that it could click again later on. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I like about it. Good. I'll leave that to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I got lots of other stuff about it. I totally

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<v Speaker 1>understand good Good. Um, So, have you ever broken anything

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<v Speaker 1>and needed an X ray? Or has it all just

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<v Speaker 1>been dental stuff? You know? Dude? Never broken a bone?

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<v Speaker 1>Knock on wood? Yeah, I mean I've had My injuries

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<v Speaker 1>were always um stitches. I was always getting busted open

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<v Speaker 1>rocks and sprinklers, and I was always getting cut and

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<v Speaker 1>sewed back up. But I never broke a bone. That's great. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you should probably knock on lee more time, just to

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<v Speaker 1>be safe. Uh So, Yeah, all of my X rays

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<v Speaker 1>to have been like just going to the dentist or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You never had a bone broken? I don't want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>because I I don't even know if knocking on wood

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<v Speaker 1>will do it on laminate ikea. That would just be

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<v Speaker 1>so horribly interesting if both of us broke a bone

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<v Speaker 1>after this. Yeah, and we're at the age where like

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<v Speaker 1>you should break bones when you're a kid, were you

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever? I get a cast at this age. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a drag. Yeah. I remember reading like a Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Clancy novel and like some kid got an arm torn

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<v Speaker 1>off or whatever, and one of the surgeons was like,

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<v Speaker 1>if the arms in the same room as the kid,

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<v Speaker 1>it can be healed. That doesn't hold true in your

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Clancy's age. No, So, um, you are familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>X rays, so you've seen them before You've watched the

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<v Speaker 1>er surely, Yeah, I mean I've had X rays for

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<v Speaker 1>like the dental ones, like you said, and then um

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<v Speaker 1>just other various like uh like chess X rays for

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<v Speaker 1>sicknesses and things like that, which I think maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>little frivolous to be honest, Yeah, and kind of dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>really conceivably, which we'll get into later. But um, did

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<v Speaker 1>you were you familiar with X raised it all beyond that?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that they were invented or discovered accidentally? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I did know that. Um I did not. That's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the few things I know. I thought I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a little like Quickie short on something like it might

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<v Speaker 1>have been actually Science Channel. I looked all over. The

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<v Speaker 1>most I could find was a dude on siemens Um

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<v Speaker 1>just describing it in the most flat affic I've watched

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<v Speaker 1>video yeah, I got to five and five wind Low

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, forget this. Yeah, if I've never

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<v Speaker 1>loaded for me, I watched the other fourteen though, and

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time I was going, man, these are a

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<v Speaker 1>minute long, please join them all together into one six

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<v Speaker 1>minute video. You know. It was so weird. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty silly, but and he was he was good.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just very dry. Yeah, and they spent zero

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<v Speaker 1>pennies on any kind of soundtrack or anything like what

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<v Speaker 1>if he grabs papers? You hear papers wrestling in the classrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. It was pretty straightforward. Yes, but that's a

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<v Speaker 1>very wind about, round about way of getting to uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's discovering German physicists named Wilhelm uh Runtigan, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was testing whether cathode rays could pass through glass. And

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<v Speaker 1>he saw that the fluorescent screen was glowing when he

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<v Speaker 1>turned on his electron electron beam, which wasn't a big deal,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was like, wait, he's got cardboard around it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>there shouldn't be any visible light escaping, which is silly

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<v Speaker 1>to think of. Now, well, yeah it is, but you

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<v Speaker 1>have to put yourself in his shoes, like X rays

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't been discovered because he was literally on the verge

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<v Speaker 1>of discovering them. Right then, that's right, and uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so he was like, this is very curious that this

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<v Speaker 1>is fluorescing. Yeah, and he noticed other things were glowing,

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually he started putting other objects between the tube

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<v Speaker 1>and the screen. They glowed the screen. Did that is

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<v Speaker 1>finally put his hand there. I read his wife's hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, it's like, come in here for a second. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to try something. Saw bones projected and

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<v Speaker 1>then I guess probably poo pooed his pants. It's a man,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, come onto something here. Yeah. It was really

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<v Speaker 1>that quickly. He was like immediately the application was clear.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't one of those things where it took twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, hold on, you can see bones. This could

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<v Speaker 1>be really helpful. And he won a Nobel Prize very rightfully, so,

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<v Speaker 1>the first one ever for physics, and he named him

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<v Speaker 1>X rays because he didn't know what the heck it was, no,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly kind of signing your name he'd probably right. I

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<v Speaker 1>think he assumed that later on future scientists would fill

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<v Speaker 1>in the blanks, but they were like, no, we're cool

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<v Speaker 1>with X rays. Well, he probably thought that someone would

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<v Speaker 1>eventually call it like the Rundkin ray for something. He

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't much of a self promoter. He was just like

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<v Speaker 1>all is calling X rays as a place hold. And

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't patent any anything, you know, he never like

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<v Speaker 1>made money off of it. Uh. And then just as

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<v Speaker 1>his wife had hand cancer as a result. Really I

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<v Speaker 1>was laughing, but it was it was just a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>He can proceed with the la plus. I've never heard

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<v Speaker 1>of hand to cancer. It's got to be out there. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then a couple of years later they were already

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<v Speaker 1>using it. Um in the Balkan War was the first

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<v Speaker 1>time it was really put to practical use. The first

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<v Speaker 1>Balkan War, the one around World War One. Well, oh

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<v Speaker 1>that Balkan War. Um. I didn't know that existed until

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<v Speaker 1>just now. And they said we can see bullets and

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<v Speaker 1>trapnel and stuff now, um, which is helpful. It is

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<v Speaker 1>extremely helpful. So like this guy Rundkin discovers X rays

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<v Speaker 1>and their most practical application and one fell swoop basically

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<v Speaker 1>and a little further study revealed the X rays are

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<v Speaker 1>actually just a another part of the electromagnetic spectrum, of

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<v Speaker 1>which radio waves, microwaves what we call visible light. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>What else is there. Well, I've got handy wallet electromagnetic

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<v Speaker 1>spectrum card, and X rays fall between gamma rays and

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<v Speaker 1>ultra bio let rays on that spectrum, which are all below.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you say below, I don't know if it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>not really an above or below situation. Visible light and

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<v Speaker 1>then infrared, microwaven, radio waves, so it would be a

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<v Speaker 1>higher or lower frequency, because that's how the whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>is divided. Yeah. So, like the visible spectrum of light

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<v Speaker 1>consists of electromagnetic radiation that has a frequency, a wavelength

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<v Speaker 1>that our eyes are sensitized too, so we can pick

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<v Speaker 1>up visible light. There's plenty of other stuff on this

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<v Speaker 1>spectrum of electromagnetic radiation, and all of it is delineated

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<v Speaker 1>by the frequency the wavelengths. So at the highest end

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<v Speaker 1>you have gamma rays, They're like, yeah, that means the

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<v Speaker 1>squiggly line is very close together exactly. And then on

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<v Speaker 1>the farthest end you have radio waves. Are like, and

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<v Speaker 1>that means the squiggly line is far apart exactly, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is called chuck science. That's good stuff. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>back in my wallet, x RA right next to the

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<v Speaker 1>what else you have in there? I just have my

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<v Speaker 1>PEPs blue ribbon membership, which actually do do you really? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>But I've had it for like twenty years. When you

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<v Speaker 1>you got it, when you're like seven eight, flatter me. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>X rays fall, I guess we're about in the well, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the higher and they have a higher frequency as far

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<v Speaker 1>as the electro magnetic spectrum goes. But the point is

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<v Speaker 1>is that it is ultimately the same thing. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's a type of electro magnetic energy that is carried

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<v Speaker 1>on a photon, which is a particle of what we

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<v Speaker 1>would call light. Yeah, and we talked about photons a

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<v Speaker 1>plenty in the show, and uh the same like photons

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<v Speaker 1>produce the visible light that we can see photons blast

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<v Speaker 1>out from the sun. How long does it take? Like

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<v Speaker 1>it takes like a hundred dozen years to get from

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<v Speaker 1>the core to the surface and then like eight minutes

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<v Speaker 1>to get from the surface to Earth. That's right, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's I love that pack. So this is the only

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<v Speaker 1>part I understand, So I'll lead with it. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want to imagine um an atom, the nucleus of an

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<v Speaker 1>atom and rings around that adiom adium and adam as orbitals. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>when an electron drops to a lower orbital it releases

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<v Speaker 1>energy in the form of a photon, and the electron

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<v Speaker 1>will always drop to the lower orbital. That's right. So

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<v Speaker 1>like if an orbital is if an electron is kicked

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<v Speaker 1>off of a lower orbital, an electron in the higher

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<v Speaker 1>orbital goes and drops down to that one. Yes, And

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<v Speaker 1>depending on how far it drops is going to determine

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<v Speaker 1>the energy level of that photon that it's that it

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<v Speaker 1>releases his energy when it drops, right, yeah, because it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to, you know, drop more than one orbital.

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<v Speaker 1>You can skip down I don't even know how far,

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<v Speaker 1>but a long way, yeah, I can. And like you

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<v Speaker 1>said that, the greater the distance between the two orbitals are,

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<v Speaker 1>the greater the energy differential, the greater the energy that photon,

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<v Speaker 1>when released, will have, right, that's right. And as we said,

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<v Speaker 1>photons are the energy carriers of the electromagnetic spectrum. And

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<v Speaker 1>depending on that energy or the frequency the wavelength of

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<v Speaker 1>that photon, that determines what kind of photon it is, right,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's a radio photon or a an X ray photon,

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<v Speaker 1>or a photon that we can see that's in the

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<v Speaker 1>visible spectrum. That's right. Uh. Sometimes when these photons are

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<v Speaker 1>flying around, they will collide with other atoms, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>those atoms absorb that photons energy and then kick it

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<v Speaker 1>up to that higher level again, right, but it has

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<v Speaker 1>to be from what I understand, and I saw that

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<v Speaker 1>there's like, of course it's science, so there's like atomic science,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's little exceptions to this and that. But from

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<v Speaker 1>what I can see, Chuck, there is the energy of

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<v Speaker 1>that photon has to exactly match the energy differential between

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<v Speaker 1>one orbital and another on an atom so that it

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<v Speaker 1>can kick it up, so that it hits that one

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<v Speaker 1>electron and lower orbital kicks it up to the higher

0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:06.079
<v Speaker 1>orbital and thus transfers its energy, which means that atom

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<v Speaker 1>just absorbed that energy that that photon was carrying. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But if it's a little less, it's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>have the energy to kick that electron up, which makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me, right. But if it's a little more,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>kick the electron up, and then the photon carries on

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<v Speaker 1>in a diminished energetic state. It just doesn't do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't interact with that. It has to be exactly, say,

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<v Speaker 1>like the energy differential between orbits is eight, so photon

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<v Speaker 1>has to have an energy of eight or else it's

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna do anything with the atom. That's right, okay. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and so depending on the um, Well, let's say you

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<v Speaker 1>have a radio wave. They don't have very much energy,

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<v Speaker 1>so they can't move electrons between these orbitals. They just

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<v Speaker 1>passed through things. X rays are super powerful. There's lots

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<v Speaker 1>of energy, so they can through things, which is key

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to check out your bones from outside

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<v Speaker 1>of your body. It is. And we're going to explain

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<v Speaker 1>exactly how right after this. Okay, so we're back chucking.

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<v Speaker 1>You tantalized everybody by saying that this, this difference in

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<v Speaker 1>absorption is what produces X rays. Right was that tantalizing?

0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I was tantalized and I even know it's coming, all right,

0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:28.760
<v Speaker 1>that's how excited I am about X rays. So consider this,

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<v Speaker 1>Like different atoms have different atomic weights, they have different densities,

0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.640
<v Speaker 1>they're just different. Like different atoms are different, and atoms

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<v Speaker 1>also have order called differences in radiological density. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>a really high energy, high atomic weight, very dense atom

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be able to absorb a lot of energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Smaller atoms that maybe are looser and have a lower

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<v Speaker 1>atomic weight are gonna get kicked around by any old

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<v Speaker 1>photon that wants to come along. Yeah, and that's that's key.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, if you want to see bones because

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<v Speaker 1>you're soft tissue. If you've ever noticed when you have

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<v Speaker 1>an X ray, you'll see the bones, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>the rest is sort of a grayish black mess because

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<v Speaker 1>your soft tissue has smaller atoms. Your bones, Uh, calcium

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<v Speaker 1>atoms are much larger, so they're gonna absorb those X

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<v Speaker 1>ray photons. It's exactly right to do it, really well exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, imagine you have uh, let's say, Chuck, let's

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<v Speaker 1>go back and hang out with Tuck Tuck right, Oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get back in the way back when it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a while. Okay, look at him over there. So here

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<v Speaker 1>we are in France in this cave, um Tuck. Tuck

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<v Speaker 1>has his hand up against the cave wall, as you'll see,

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<v Speaker 1>and in his other hand he's got that little straw

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<v Speaker 1>filled with pig meant red pigment. He's blowing it on

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<v Speaker 1>his hand right and now that he moves his hand away,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the outline of his hand right exactly. He's just

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<v Speaker 1>made an early stencil. He's like a banks He basically

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<v Speaker 1>like a caveman Banksy. But if you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>back of Tuk Tuk's hand, don't get too close, but

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<v Speaker 1>look at the back of his hand. It's covered in

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<v Speaker 1>red pigment, right, So if you can, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to equate this to an X ray, the hand absorbed

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<v Speaker 1>all of that pigment and the stuff that passed through

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<v Speaker 1>left the picture on the cave wall. That's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what happens with an X ray, except with an X

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<v Speaker 1>ray photograph. The X ray photons are absorbed by the denser,

0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:50.080
<v Speaker 1>calcium rich bones and they passed through the softer tissue.

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<v Speaker 1>So the picture that we have is the outline the

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<v Speaker 1>silhouette of the bones because the X rays made it

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<v Speaker 1>through the tissue. Didn't make it through the bones. They

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<v Speaker 1>made it are the tissue and onto the X ray plate,

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<v Speaker 1>which absorbed the picture in negative. That's right, And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad he said picture, because that's all it is. On

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of the human being. You know that

0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:14.199
<v Speaker 1>they're shooting the X ray at there's a camera and

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<v Speaker 1>you're just gonna get a regular negative and they could

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<v Speaker 1>make it a positive, but they leave it as a

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<v Speaker 1>negative because you really don't need the positive image. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what they'll put on that little screen to

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<v Speaker 1>show you your cracked femur exactly. And they can see

0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.840
<v Speaker 1>the crack because some of those X rays will make

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<v Speaker 1>it through the gap, that's right, right, So all you're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing is the result of X rays that made it

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<v Speaker 1>through the tissue were absorbed by the bone, so those

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<v Speaker 1>don't make it to the plate. The ones that make

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<v Speaker 1>it to the plate cause the chemical reaction that gives

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<v Speaker 1>you your negative your X ray. And it's it's pretty simple, really,

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<v Speaker 1>like if you think about it, at least in principle.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also extraordinarily difficult to conceive of. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>if you understand like the principle behind it, it makes

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<v Speaker 1>uttering complete sense. Yeah. And it's a pretty focused shot

0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.280
<v Speaker 1>that they're using there. It's not like they don't fill

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<v Speaker 1>the entire room with X rays. You know, they've got

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<v Speaker 1>a thick lead shield around the whole device and it

0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, contains contains everything. It's got a little small

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<v Speaker 1>window that's just gonna let that narrow beam pass through

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<v Speaker 1>through a series of filters and basically hit you wherever

0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.359
<v Speaker 1>they want to hit you. Yeah, And the reason that

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<v Speaker 1>the they use lead is because lead is an extremely

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<v Speaker 1>dense uh yeah element, yes right, sure, oh god, I

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<v Speaker 1>hope so with a with a very high atomic number,

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<v Speaker 1>which means it can absorb tons of energy. Right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why you're gonna wear a lead apron. Um if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not, you know, if you're getting your skull done,

0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:48.720
<v Speaker 1>you're probably gonna wear an apron in your chest. Let's say,

0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.680
<v Speaker 1>so you're you're so this lead is being bombarded with

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<v Speaker 1>X ray photons and electrons and it's just taking it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fine, and it's not being able to it's not

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<v Speaker 1>able to pass through because it doesn't have high enough energy. Um.

0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.280
<v Speaker 1>But yes, they when they put that little window in

0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.600
<v Speaker 1>the X ray generating machine, it passes right through there

0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:13.400
<v Speaker 1>in a concentrated beam. And Chuck, let's talk about the machine, right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>and and this is basically what we use as X

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<v Speaker 1>ray machines is essentially what Rooken was made, what made

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<v Speaker 1>was experimenting with when he accidentally discovered them. Because if

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<v Speaker 1>you look for X rays like they're they propagate naturally.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think like the X rays on Earth come

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<v Speaker 1>from humans. Yeah, like we generate a lot of X rays.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't they don't come like, you don't find them

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<v Speaker 1>normally on Earth. They're coming from outer space to us,

0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.800
<v Speaker 1>hence X ray astronomy. But the ones here on Earth

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<v Speaker 1>that are generated on Earth, they don't. It's not like

0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.520
<v Speaker 1>rocks put out X rays or something like that. We do.

0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:56.440
<v Speaker 1>We humans, humans and lead aprons put out X rays

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<v Speaker 1>and they use this machine like Rootkin made. Yeah. What

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<v Speaker 1>you have in the machine and you have an electrode pair,

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<v Speaker 1>a cathode and an anode, and that's inside a good

0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:08.639
<v Speaker 1>old fashioned glass vacuum tube, which, um, it's amazing how

0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:10.720
<v Speaker 1>vacuum tubes are still like the best way to do

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<v Speaker 1>many of these things. Well, it allows things to travel

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<v Speaker 1>at the speed of light easily, that's right, and allows

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<v Speaker 1>guitar amps to sound great. I didn't know these vacuums

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<v Speaker 1>in that. Oh is that a cathode tube? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like a like the best amps are still made with

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<v Speaker 1>vacuum tubes. You can get solid state amps, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>just the sound isn't as rich, So it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like this old technology that's still superior. They're all pumped

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<v Speaker 1>out by hand by a ninety year old man in Tennessee.

0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Mr Marshall yes. Uh So the cathode is a heated

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<v Speaker 1>filament just like you might see in a light bulb,

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<v Speaker 1>and the machine's gonna pass the current through that and

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<v Speaker 1>heat that thing up, and then it's gonna spit electrons

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<v Speaker 1>off that surface, and it's gonna hit a disc made

0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:57.399
<v Speaker 1>of punksten and it's gonna draw those across the tube.

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<v Speaker 1>It's basically the tube is sort of the key peat, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because you've got the positive and the and the negative

0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:08.520
<v Speaker 1>charge the cathode and the anode, right, um, and that

0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:15.240
<v Speaker 1>difference that electrical charge draws his electrons down to the anode. Yeah,

0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:19.440
<v Speaker 1>And that force means that when those electrons hit the

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<v Speaker 1>tungusten anode, it knocks a bunch of electrons off, creates

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of X rays in the process, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a whole box filled with X ray radiation.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what it is, like you're just I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there there might as well be like a foot crank

0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:40.199
<v Speaker 1>to this thing, like an old sewing machine. For as

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<v Speaker 1>as technologically advanced as it is, there may be for

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<v Speaker 1>all I know, I don't know what goes on in

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<v Speaker 1>that other room, right, Yeah, there's some dude in there

0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:52.520
<v Speaker 1>with like his right leg is three times more muscular

0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:54.720
<v Speaker 1>than his left leg because that's the only one he uses.

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<v Speaker 1>So um. In addition, like I said to to X

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<v Speaker 1>rays being created, the the other X rays, other photons

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<v Speaker 1>can go on and knock more electrons off. So you

0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:09.240
<v Speaker 1>you have what's like a process of chain reactions starting, right.

0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:11.560
<v Speaker 1>It's not like one gets hit and then that's it,

0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.280
<v Speaker 1>and the photons creating it just hangs around until it's

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<v Speaker 1>beamed out. But you're just generating this huge amount of

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<v Speaker 1>X rays, and the X rays are also continuing to

0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:24.399
<v Speaker 1>propagate themselves because they're knocking more electrons free. And the

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<v Speaker 1>more free electrons you have, the more interactions you have. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the ways that more electrons can be

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<v Speaker 1>knocked off, you don't even need a direct transfer of

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<v Speaker 1>energy where a photon is absorbed or knocks an electron

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<v Speaker 1>from one orbit to another, or knocks it loose entirely.

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<v Speaker 1>A photon actually has this really cool um capability of

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<v Speaker 1>just orbiting close by the nucleus of an atom, and

0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:54.320
<v Speaker 1>when the nucleus basically draws it into its orbit, the

0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:57.480
<v Speaker 1>photon just takes a hard left turn, just bumps it

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<v Speaker 1>off its course. But even like the dodge via for

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<v Speaker 1>it has to like slow down to take a left turn,

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<v Speaker 1>slow a little bit, right, just a little, just a little.

0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:11.040
<v Speaker 1>But that little bit in photon world means a transfer

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<v Speaker 1>of energy from the photon outward. Yeah. And then the photon,

0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:19.840
<v Speaker 1>like the photon takes that left turn and and the

0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:22.680
<v Speaker 1>energy is transferred to the atom. Yeah. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the byproducts. If this sounds like it's gonna create a

0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:28.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of heat, it's because it will. And in order

0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:31.439
<v Speaker 1>to combat this, they rotate this anode to keep it.

0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:33.200
<v Speaker 1>It would just melt down if you kept it in place.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently there's a cool oil bath that helps absorb

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<v Speaker 1>heat as well, which I never have heard of that either.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds oily oil bath. Yeah, it doesn't sound refreshing

0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:46.920
<v Speaker 1>at all. It sounds like the opposite of refreshing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool and oil don't really go together. Yeah, and I misspoke.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an electron that can be drawn too into the

0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:57.080
<v Speaker 1>nucleus of an anom appropriately enough, because they orbit nuclei anyway.

0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:00.520
<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't have to hook hook up with that them.

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<v Speaker 1>When it takes that hard left it admits the photon.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, that's right, And like I said earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a camera on the other side of the patient

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<v Speaker 1>and it's going to record that pattern of light when

0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:14.720
<v Speaker 1>it passes through the body. And it's not so different

0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:17.400
<v Speaker 1>from a regular camera. Um. And then the and you're

0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 1>just gonna get a picture, like I said, a negative image. Yeah.

0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:22.160
<v Speaker 1>And if you hook it up with a computer that

0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:25.639
<v Speaker 1>allows you to take X rays basically in slices, you

0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:29.800
<v Speaker 1>can come up with commuter computerized tomography. If you ak

0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:34.000
<v Speaker 1>a CT right, let's scan exactly. Um. If you uh,

0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:36.240
<v Speaker 1>if you use if you get a breast exam, you're

0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:39.840
<v Speaker 1>using a type of X ray called momography. Um. And

0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:44.480
<v Speaker 1>then there's a fluoroscopy, which the man in the extraordinarily

0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:50.320
<v Speaker 1>dry presentation from Siemens said, um was basically like moving picture.

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:53.959
<v Speaker 1>It's like a movie exactly. And then he showed us

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<v Speaker 1>what the movie is with a flipbook, right, that old

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<v Speaker 1>flipbook trick. And if you listen to this podcast, I'm sorry,

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.320
<v Speaker 1>I just want to apologize for both of us. Semens guy,

0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, uh, like, hats off to you for doing

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:10.199
<v Speaker 1>that at all. Yeah, um, because he's probably saying, well,

0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:13.800
<v Speaker 1>at least that was correct, and everything I said it's

0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:17.160
<v Speaker 1>a good point, sir um. But with fluoroscopy, it's basically

0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 1>like a movie of an X ray movie, and you

0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:22.800
<v Speaker 1>would do this to make sure like a heart is

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 1>beating correctly because you wanted to see it. But you

0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 1>have to have an additional um instrument because as we said,

0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:34.399
<v Speaker 1>X rays will pass through tissue like heart tissue and

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:37.199
<v Speaker 1>muscle tissue and all and blood vessels and all the

0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 1>stuff you want to get pictures of using an X ray,

0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:42.159
<v Speaker 1>so you have to use something called a contrast media

0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:45.919
<v Speaker 1>for it. Yeah, a contrast agent is basically more dense

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:49.880
<v Speaker 1>than the soft tissue. So if you want to uh,

0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:53.960
<v Speaker 1>let's say, swallow, it's usually like a barium compound. If

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:55.959
<v Speaker 1>you want to examine like your blood vessels or your

0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:59.639
<v Speaker 1>circulatory system, you're sometimes they can inject that, or you

0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 1>might drink it to see if you're doing like a

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:05.679
<v Speaker 1>gastro intestine, like a GI tract. You're gonna swallow that stuff,

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:07.800
<v Speaker 1>which I've never had to do. I think my dad

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:10.120
<v Speaker 1>had to do that. Yeah, I don't think it's super pleasant.

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:12.959
<v Speaker 1>I get the impression not too, but my dad did

0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:15.920
<v Speaker 1>as well. Yeah, it's an old guy thing, so I

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:19.200
<v Speaker 1>should be getting one soon. Uh, and then it allows you,

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:23.640
<v Speaker 1>you know to see him moving image. Uh. Basically how

0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:26.600
<v Speaker 1>that liquid is if there's any blockage. Uh, there's all

0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:29.240
<v Speaker 1>sorts of applications for it. Yeah, because you're that liquid

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:35.159
<v Speaker 1>has a high radiological density, which means that the X

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:38.199
<v Speaker 1>rays don't just pass right through your the tissue that

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:42.240
<v Speaker 1>it's being suspended in, like your blood vessels. It absorbs

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:43.959
<v Speaker 1>it for it. So you get a picture of your

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 1>blood vessels, your circulatory system, which is pretty cool. It's

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 1>pretty clever. It's also extraordinarily elementary and principle, my dear Watson. Uh.

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:54.560
<v Speaker 1>And that single picture I think we you know, we

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:57.639
<v Speaker 1>mentioned CT and momography and all that in philoscopy, but

0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:00.840
<v Speaker 1>the single picture is just called standard radiography. And that's

0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:03.439
<v Speaker 1>when you're you know, taking a photo of your skull

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:07.719
<v Speaker 1>or your lungs, or your bones or your teeth and

0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.360
<v Speaker 1>so so. Speaking of the lead apron thing, man, it's

0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:13.119
<v Speaker 1>always made me kind of nervous, Like if I the

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:16.159
<v Speaker 1>rest of my body has to wear lead apron, but

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 1>you're shooting an X ray into my head, am I

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 1>going to be? Okay? Well we'll answer that right after

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:34.920
<v Speaker 1>this message. All right, X rays. Are they bad for you?

0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 1>The answer is yes, uh, pretty unequivocally. Um. But like

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:43.400
<v Speaker 1>all things, it's it's in moderation is the key. Uh.

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 1>In the nineteen thirties and forties and into the fifties,

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:50.200
<v Speaker 1>they had X ray machines at shoe stores. Oh yeah,

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:52.360
<v Speaker 1>I can extra your feet to get a better fit,

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.160
<v Speaker 1>and um, they didn't realize at the time that they

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 1>were X raying people way way too much. Yeah, talkative

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 1>kids in class. They just shoot him with an X

0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 1>ray and they probably did I've got you like twice. Well,

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 1>now I would believe that, like, hey, let's look at

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 1>his brain. There may be a mouse running around inside

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 1>of it. People in the thirties were dumb. Well, it's

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 1>basically radiation sickness. Um, it's a form of ionization or

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:21.480
<v Speaker 1>ionizing radiation. So what can happen? Like, if just normal

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 1>light hits an atom, is no big deal. But when

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:27.480
<v Speaker 1>an X ray hits an atom, it knocks electrons off

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:31.639
<v Speaker 1>of it creates an ion, which is an electrically charged atom,

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 1>and basically anything from uh, cellular death to mutation can

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>happen at that point, and mutation can spread and it

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 1>can cause cancer. Right because stable atoms are neutral, right,

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 1>because they have an equal number of protons and electrons.

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 1>You lose an electron, all of a sudden you have

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 1>a positively charged ion and that negatively charged electron running

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 1>around and it just causes trouble. And you said light.

0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Visible light can be absorbed and it's no big deal

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 1>because visible light is exists on a wavelength that's about

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>in tune with the soft tissues of our body, right,

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 1>so we know how to absorb it and it makes

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 1>us tan and that's cool, right. But um, with these

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 1>ionized atoms, these positively charged atoms like going around in

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 1>your body, it can cause a lot of problems, like

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 1>mutations like cancer. Right, yeah, I mean if you break

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 1>that DNA chain, that's not good. No, it is, And

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 1>one of the results is the d The DNA can

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>basically lose its ability to regulate itself and the cell

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>replicates more frequently than it should, and all of a sudden,

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 1>you have a tumor on your hands and that can spread.

0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 1>It can also be a problem if that DNA break

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>occurs in utero, because then that can lead to birth defects,

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:51.440
<v Speaker 1>which is why pregnant women shouldn't get X rays UM,

0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>and it can also just lead to plain old cellular death.

0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>If you have cellular death and the tissues that UM

0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:01.200
<v Speaker 1>are made up by those cells break down, uh, you

0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 1>have a problem on your hands with that as well.

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 1>So here's the deal. We get exposed to radiation every

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 1>day just walking around on the planet. Um. It depends

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 1>on where you live. But every year, um, the average

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:16.720
<v Speaker 1>person is going to be exposed to anywhere from one

0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 1>to four. Uh. It's measured in millisieverts per year UM.

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, depending on where you are. I think

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 1>in higher elevations it's less then at sea level. So

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 1>if you live in Denver, Colorado, you're gonna be exposed

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 1>to less well yeah, because you're higher up in the

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 1>atmosphere and that makes a difference. Exactly, you have less protection,

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 1>right yeah. So um, you know what they what they

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:43.960
<v Speaker 1>want to do medically speaking, they want to use, or

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 1>they're supposed to use the minimum amount to achieve the

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 1>pictures you need. It's not like the old days where

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 1>they're just like let's X rays. Yeah, Like let's do

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:55.960
<v Speaker 1>the minimum amount we need to get the information that

0:30:56.040 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 1>we need. A CT scan can can get your you know,

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:02.720
<v Speaker 1>you lay down in the tube and it rotates around

0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:04.960
<v Speaker 1>you and your whole body can be photographed in less

0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 1>than five seconds these days. But um, you know there

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 1>are concerns if you get too many X rays still, Uh,

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 1>like a dental panorama, I think, would I say one

0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>to four millisy verts per year and it's cumulative to

0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:21.720
<v Speaker 1>you should yeah, Like it's not. It's not like you

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 1>get one and then you know, eight months later you

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 1>get another one in that first one went away, Like

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 1>it accumulates over the course of a year. Yeah. So

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.000
<v Speaker 1>here's just a few examples of how much radiation you're

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 1>being exposed to with X rays. Um, a dental panorama

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 1>is going to be point zero one millisy verts, so

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 1>not very much. Um, Like two chest X rays might

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 1>be point one mam or grammas around point four. Uh,

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 1>your pelvis point six, your back upper back maybe one

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 1>point zero. Uh. I wonder why because there's maybe, yeah,

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 1>maybe you have to do with exposure to Uh. Yeah

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 1>that makes sense. I got a ton of bone in

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 1>my upper back. A full CT scan, it depends on

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:12.240
<v Speaker 1>what you are, Um, it depends on what you're X raying.

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 1>But a CT scan is obviously more like an abdominal

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 1>or pelvis c T CT scan could be as many

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 1>as ten millis everts, So that's like up to two

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 1>or three years worth of radiation in a single CT scan,

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>which can be problematic, which is why they don't say

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 1>get in the CT machine like every other week. Um,

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 1>but you know some of the reasons you might if

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 1>you had a traumatic injury, they're gonna X ray you

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times for disease confirmation. They'll use an

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:44.320
<v Speaker 1>X ray machine. Uh, during surgery as a visual guide,

0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Like if you do endoscopic surgery, the surgeons actually needs

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>to look at something, so sometimes the X rays for

0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 1>that or to monitor your healing process. Um, you know,

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 1>when you break a bone, it's not just that first

0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 1>X ray. You're gonna keep getting them to see how

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 1>your healing up. Right out of the Siemens video, huh no,

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>they isn't okay, I don't think so. I mean I

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 1>looked at so much stuff together, cumulative research. So uh,

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 1>I did a brain stuff on siverts and how many

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 1>we can take and uh yeah, it's it's kind of

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 1>like it's a little alarming how much radiation we're expected

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 1>to People who fly a lot too are exposed to

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>tons of radiation because you're again higher up in the atmosphere,

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:31.360
<v Speaker 1>so you're less protected by the atmosphere. Speaking of flying,

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 1>of course, baggage that is X rayed. The food industries

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:38.239
<v Speaker 1>is X rays a lot um. Archaeologists use it if

0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 1>they don't want to like destroy an object and they

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 1>want to see what's inside, or earth sciences they'll use

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 1>X rays for rocks to see what kind of mineral composition.

0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 1>So there's all sorts of applications. It's not just medical.

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Um space. Yeah, X ray telescopes out on on satellites

0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:58.720
<v Speaker 1>apparently you can see a lot um. You can see

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 1>things you can't detect from an earthbound telescope because X

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:05.240
<v Speaker 1>rays are absorbed by our atmospheres. He can't like shoot

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 1>it into space like that. So this article makes a

0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:10.959
<v Speaker 1>pretty good point if you ask me, it says like, yes,

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 1>X rays are like are bad for you, and you

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:19.279
<v Speaker 1>should use them with care and caution. And one one

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:22.319
<v Speaker 1>good point is to always ask if there's an alternative

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 1>to an X ray, just to basically say, hey, doc

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 1>or Dennis, slow your role. Let's is there another way

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:30.840
<v Speaker 1>we can get this information without an X ray. I

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>know it's the easiest, But what are the alternatives? But

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.760
<v Speaker 1>then the article makes the point like it's still safer

0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:40.440
<v Speaker 1>than the ultimate alternative, the thing that X rays replaced,

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 1>which was exploratory surgery. Yeah, back in the day, if

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 1>you they thought you had cancer, they would cut you

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:48.279
<v Speaker 1>open and see. And this is definitely better than that

0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:51.680
<v Speaker 1>or broken bone. Imagine getting that arm cut open just

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>to see how it's doing. They're like, no, it's not broken, right,

0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 1>And we haven't invented anesthetic yet. So good luck with

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:04.319
<v Speaker 1>your dentist, by the way, because um, I always get

0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:07.480
<v Speaker 1>the feeling that the dentists are like, no, your insurance

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:09.439
<v Speaker 1>allows us to build for so many per years, he said,

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:10.920
<v Speaker 1>that's how many you are going to get. These X

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:14.319
<v Speaker 1>rays are putting my kid through college. Yeah. Uh, you

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:16.719
<v Speaker 1>got anything else on X rays? That was a fine

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:19.399
<v Speaker 1>amount of stuff. I'm feeling good about it. You feel

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:22.400
<v Speaker 1>good about this one, sure too? Yeah. Uh. If you

0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:24.239
<v Speaker 1>want to know more about X rays, you can check

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:27.759
<v Speaker 1>out this really informative article on how stuff works dot com.

0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:30.200
<v Speaker 1>It's got some great diagrams that explain a lot of

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 1>the stuff we were saying visually. Uh, And you can

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 1>type x ray into the search part how stuff works

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 1>and it will bring that up. Since I said search

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:42.360
<v Speaker 1>parts time for listener mail. Uh this is from my

0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>buddy Poppy and Vancouver. Uh stuff you shouldn't listener to.

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 1>That meant while I was there, and um, Poppy as

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:51.400
<v Speaker 1>this to say he's got a pretty cool job. He

0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 1>listened to the PTSD show and wanted to write in

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:56.760
<v Speaker 1>about another option that he works with. He's a registered

0:35:56.800 --> 0:36:00.880
<v Speaker 1>acupuncturist in Vancouver with special training and AMMA and addictions.

0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:05.840
<v Speaker 1>He's a program called neurotrophic stimulation Therapy NTSD. In a

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 1>large part of the program uses ear acupuncture and electro

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 1>acupuncture to promote neuroplasticity in the brain. He says, you

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 1>can't necessarily directly fix the brain, but you can stimulate

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 1>the ear nerves will help the brain reregulate certain functionality

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 1>so it can heal itself. He's been treating trauma and

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:27.120
<v Speaker 1>PTSD patients for several years and the evidence for his

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:30.240
<v Speaker 1>efficacy is high. It can be done with acupuncture needles

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 1>alone or in combination with a mild electrical stimulation. UM.

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Remember we talked about UM. Transcranial electromagnation. Yeah, transdermal cranial stimulation.

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:44.279
<v Speaker 1>He says that's one of the things that he's also

0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:47.440
<v Speaker 1>using to treat PTSD, which is pretty cool, and he

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 1>said it makes cognitive behavioral therapies so much easier to

0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 1>introduce because it promotes neuroplasticity and the results help a

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 1>PTSD suffer to be more open to and able to

0:36:56.200 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>receive positive social programming. So he has a program we

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 1>want to promote. If you want to see all the

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:05.600
<v Speaker 1>components in action in this program, you can visit Last

0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Door Recovery Society at last door dot org slash nt

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:13.880
<v Speaker 1>s T, or you can donate funds to help purchase

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 1>a brain scanner so that they can scientifically measure the

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>results of the program, which would really help show the

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 1>validity of the therapies. And if you're interested in helping

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 1>out Poppies, cause there because he's really big on treating

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