1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Lance Brastowski joining us right now on FT player development 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: analyst for Marquee. Excellent YouTube channel you should check out 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: as well sizing up pitching as well as anyone in 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: the game right now. Lance, Great to have you on 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: the show. Thanks for joining us. Of course we give 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: you the quick bat phone call when we see this 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: trade involving Edward Cabrera moving over to the Cubs, and 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: I know you know about the prospect return package too, 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: So first off, I wanted to get your thoughts on 10 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: the whole thing. 11 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like this trade a bit. It's the Cubs 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: haven't really done anything in a while from an impact standpoint, 13 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 2: so it's really nice to inject a bit of liveliness 14 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: into the local radio here and have Cub fans be 15 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: excited about adding a guy that is really electric to 16 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: this team. I'd say that he's a little bit different 17 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: than a lot of the pitchers the Cubs presently have. 18 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: If you look in the last couple years, the Cubs 19 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: have kind of sought these contact neutralizer, not big bat misser. 20 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: You know, they had a bunch of forcing fastball usage 21 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: last year relative to the league. I believe they were 22 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: number one in the sport. Actually they prefer this kind 23 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: of bat miss limit barrel ability, and they bring Cabrera 24 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: in here, who is a guy that has insane stuff. 25 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: His slot fell a little with Miami from twenty four 26 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: to twenty five. I don't know if it was entirely intentional, 27 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: but what I do know is intentional was their interest 28 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: in Miami pushing him to a sinker, which finally allowed 29 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: him to get in zone enough to pull down his 30 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: walk rate below ten percent. And I think for the 31 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: most part, we've lifted the tag of he'll never be 32 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: able to throw strikes, which was persistent with his profile 33 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: from like the second he got into the sport where 34 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 2: he was running walk rates that were pretty much unsustainable. 35 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 2: So he's a really fun arm I mean, the curveball sick. 36 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: They adjusted a slider grip. I think there's room if 37 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: the Cubs want to go towards like a sweeper and 38 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: maybe even a cutter like this dude can be a 39 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: frontline starter, and I think he's incredibly exciting for the 40 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: Cubs to add to the rotation. 41 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 3: All Right, before we get to the prospect pack is 42 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 3: before we get to like your evaluation of too much 43 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: you said electric, Okay, he's got electric stuff. Is it 44 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: electric compared to the Cubs rotation, which you admittedly just 45 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: said they're more you know, they're not quite on that. 46 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 3: So does he become the smartest kid in dumb school 47 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 3: because everyone else is just kind of going out there 48 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 3: and doing their thing. Or is it something that they're 49 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 3: getting a guy when you say electric and exciting and fun, 50 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 3: they're getting a guy that has thrown over one hundred 51 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: innings one time. Like it just feels like because I'm 52 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 3: not even gonna shift to who they gave up to 53 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 3: get him, but like, is this a sustainable thing? Because 54 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 3: if that dropped arm angle is because he got tired 55 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 3: from one hundred and thirty four innings? Or is it 56 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: because like that's actually what's enabling him to get on 57 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: top of his sinker and make it work. Like, there's 58 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: so many questions that I have, and I love how 59 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 3: you break down the pitching development stuff. 60 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is gonna be a long response because you 61 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 2: layer it in a lot there. Yeah, I'd say it's 62 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: it's electric relative to all pitchers in baseball. We could 63 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: prove this just through looking at his raw velocity, also 64 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 2: his ability to purely in the ball. There's breaking ball 65 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: shapes he can create at the velocity he throws. So 66 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 2: it's he's the smartest kid. This is the smartest kid 67 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: at the dumb school, I guess. But he's also like 68 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: the smartest kid when you then bring him to Stanford, 69 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 2: you know he's not the best stuff in baseball. He's 70 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: really good, and I think that it's just more I 71 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: wouldn't say a shock, but it's just different. I think 72 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: for Cubs fans to look at an arm that can 73 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: strike out thirty percent of the guys he faces and go, yeah, like, 74 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: this dude has that level of upside. Now you layered 75 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: in something fascinating here. So I'd poked around a lot 76 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: on this trade, and the big thing that jumps out 77 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: to me is how little talk there's been that Cabrera 78 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: sprained his UCL at the end of last season, and 79 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: I understand he came back at the end of September. 80 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: I believe wasn't through two times. But this is something 81 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: that from my understanding and talking to people in the 82 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: league and talking to teams who communicated with the Marlins 83 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: about Cabrera, this was a hang up for other teams. 84 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: I don't I think if you gave these medicals to 85 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: thirty teams in baseball. I don't entirely know how many 86 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: of them would have approved them. The Cubs approved them, 87 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: And I think the Cubs are very sharp medical side, 88 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: so I'm not saying they're incompetent in any respect, but 89 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: there's a level of risk here they are accepting. 90 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 4: Right. 91 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: UCL sprains are tears. A sprain is a tear of 92 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: a muscle, so it's not incorrect to say he sprained 93 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: his UCL last season. Does that impact your innings projection 94 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: going forward for him? I think it has to do 95 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: to some extent, So there's risk. I think on both 96 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: sides of this deal. The Cubs obviously got comfortable with 97 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 2: the level of risk they were accepting with the guy 98 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: like Elricrera, perhaps because this stuff is so good. They 99 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 2: have multiple years of control with him, so this isn't 100 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 2: like a ticking time bomb. Perhaps, But yeah, I mean 101 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: I talked to people in the league who are like 102 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: kind of surprised that he cleared medicals, and I wouldn't 103 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: say I'm like concerned in that respect, but it did 104 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: definitely like peaked my ears when I heard that. 105 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 5: Let me ask you this, where do you see this 106 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 5: is a quicker question than I'll get to another one. 107 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 5: Where do you see him fitting in the starting rotation? 108 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 5: What number slot do you see him? You know, one 109 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 5: or two? Like, where do you see him at right 110 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 5: now for this team? 111 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's right in that too area. I 112 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 2: would say the interesting thing to see will be how 113 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: they sequence him early in the I don't believe he's 114 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 2: a guy with too much cold weather experience. The Cubs 115 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 2: have a lot of home games in April, and it's 116 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: cold in April and Chicago, So I'm I'm wondering whether 117 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: they almost try to line him up to pitch road 118 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 2: games and maybe, you know, maybe this is nothing. Maybe 119 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 2: he loves pitching to the cold. I don't entitally know. 120 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: I've never talked to him. I don't know, but I'm 121 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: wondering whether they kind of sequence him in a way 122 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: that doesn't push him as the ace, so to speak. 123 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: But I think he's slocks in as like the number 124 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: two guy. Matt Boyd is the innings eater. He just 125 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 2: came off one of the best seasons of his career. 126 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: Feels like he would get perhaps the opening day start, 127 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: especially with Steele coming back mid season. 128 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 5: That that was perfect answer you answer another one of 129 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 5: my questions. 130 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 4: But now for the Cubs too as well. 131 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 5: Do you see any other particular moves coming through or 132 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 5: is this the last one you think? I mean, Kyle 133 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 5: Tucker is not there anymore. Do you see anything else 134 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 5: coming into frushing for the Cubs this offseason? 135 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: I mean, which side are you asking? Are you asking 136 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: the brain here or the heart? You know what I mean? 137 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: The heart lily like, yeah, breg Jimmy Bregman Man like 138 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: they've been linked to him. I can confirm that. I mean, 139 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: you don't need me to confirm Rosenthal has it than others, 140 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: but they're definitely involved in that market. I think he's 141 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: the individual player that they'd be most comfortable getting uncomfortable with. 142 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 2: My read is that they don't want to get totally 143 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: uncomfortable with, like the Baschets of the world. The Cody 144 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: Bellinger union has already been rumored. My concern is more 145 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: if you get into bidding wars, say on Bregman with 146 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: the Red Sox or on Bellinger with the Mets, or 147 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 2: the Cubs actually willing to go to the cost intervals 148 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 2: that will be necessary if the Red Sox are pooning 149 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: up money or Steve Cohen is pooning up money to 150 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: challenge them on a godic Bellinger. So's that's where the 151 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: brain comes in and goes, how aggressive will they actually be? 152 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 2: You know, like, do you want? Says Azuki playing one 153 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty games in right field, which is something 154 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: they tried to move off a couple seasons ago. They 155 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: didn't like him out there in right field. Now he 156 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: played great. I thought he looked really good up there 157 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 2: last year in right field. So perhaps some optimism in 158 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: that respect, But there's definitely some other move in here 159 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: that I think makes this team a lot better. Cabrera 160 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: makes sense in a sequence of moves to me alone, 161 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 2: if this is kind of the last thing they do, 162 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: I won't say it's a curious move, but it doesn't 163 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 2: make the team like. It doesn't give me a ton 164 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: of confidence that they will absolutely dominate the Brewers and 165 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: outwin them by like six games. You know you had bregnant. Yeah, totally. 166 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: We're talking like, I'm pretty confidence team's gonna win the division. 167 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 3: Hi, Lance, I've seen you and Marquee. I'm just gonna 168 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: make a comment. Let me hear the Cubs are a 169 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 3: big mark. Can you say the Cubs are a big market. 170 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 3: Just so that people that watch Marquee know the Cubs 171 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: are a big market. 172 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: They are. They're a huge market. It's one of the biggest, 173 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: probably four or five in baseball. 174 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 3: Great, perfect, thank you for saying that. Let's get back 175 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 3: to the trade. They picked up this Edwar Cabrera. There's 176 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 3: a lot of uncertainty with it. There's a lot of 177 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 3: uncertainty with prospects. Owen Casey was talked about other offseasons 178 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 3: like we cannot nobody's touching Oen Casey. Well, the Marlins 179 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: got it. The Marlins got them. Is it a case 180 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: that it's what had to get the job done? Is 181 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 3: it a case of we saw what he did in 182 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 3: the big leagues and now we're like, okay, we're fine 183 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: with Saya Suzuki doing what he does in the feld, 184 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 3: Like where does that go? And what are they giving 185 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 3: up in this deal? 186 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a big fan of own Casey. He's a 187 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: guy that we actually went down to Myrtle Beach and 188 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: talked to first when he came into the organization from 189 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: the U Darvish trade. I think he's a really cerebral dude. 190 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: He really doesn't understanding what his body does well from 191 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: a batted ball standpoint, and he absolutely crushes the baseball 192 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: from an eggs velocity standpoint, And I think that's really 193 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: what the Marlins are getting. He's a guy that I'm 194 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: curious to see how much they let him face left 195 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: handed pitching. He didn't do that too much in the minors, 196 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,239 Speaker 2: and I imagine if you kept him on the Cubs 197 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: for this coming season, he would be get the Michael 198 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: Bush treatment where he really wouldn't face a lot of 199 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: lefties at all. But I thought he made a lot 200 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: of sense from like a you're not getting Kyle Tucker back, 201 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: so you know, maybe you have Kyle Tucker in the 202 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 2: aggregate in right field, you know, with own Casey at 203 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: another platoon right handed bat to face left handed pitching. 204 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: Partially because Casey has the thump, he does not have 205 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 2: the level of like low k rate discipline that a 206 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: guy like Tucker does. But I like Casey a lot. 207 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 2: I think he would be an impact bat for the 208 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: Marlins in some capacity. Whether that's in a year or two, 209 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: you know, we'll see, But I agree, like this was 210 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: a name that I had heard, like we heard last 211 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: offseason in rumors that this was a guy that the 212 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 2: Marlins were interested in, and I think that's been mostly 213 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 2: confirmed by variety of Cub be writers and Marlin beat 214 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: writers in the last twenty four hours. I'm most curious 215 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: on like, who changed with this trade. From a value perspective, 216 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: you go back to the last deadline, Cubs were in 217 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: conversation with the Marlins about Edward Cabrera and it seems 218 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: like perhaps the piece that the Cubs weren't willing to 219 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: give up in a lot of negotiations with Jackson Wiggins. 220 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: This is one of their only pitching prospects. Really, they're 221 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 2: very depleted in that respect, but he was the guy 222 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: that I think they were very hesitant to give up. 223 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: But the Marlins, I know, very much wanted. So I 224 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: wonder whether the package of the deadline centered more around 225 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: Wiggins and now it's flipped to Casey despite the fact 226 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: I've heard that Casey was kind of the name the 227 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: whole time. But my speculation is more everyone was trying 228 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: to get Wiggins they couldn't. Now you have, you know, 229 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: this injury stuff lurking around Cabrera that pushed some other 230 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: teams often from my understanding, and the Cubs give up Casey, 231 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: So perhaps the cost was higher at the deadline, and 232 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 2: the Cubs maybe perhaps think they got a deal in 233 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: disrespect given up Casey for him. 234 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: You mentioned Cubs pitching development. We're going to get to 235 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: some pitching development just to cross the league because I 236 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 3: think your stuff is your stuff is electric on pitching. 237 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: But anyway, Kyle Tucker, you got to watch him every 238 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 3: single day in his one year, in his one year 239 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 3: with the Cubs, and now he's still lingering out on 240 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 3: a free agency market. What did you see and as 241 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 3: going forward, what does that look like for other teams 242 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: that are going to pick somebody up that in Kyle 243 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 3: Tucker eight year contract, probably over two hundred million dollars. 244 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 3: What did you see day in and day out from him? 245 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: He's electric bat. I think I think he does a 246 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: couple of things that you guys, obviously from the hitting standpoint, 247 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 2: can point out better than me. But he has a 248 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: really interesting if you look at like the side angle 249 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: of his swing, how he like lays back his hands 250 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: and how flat his back gets right like into his 251 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 2: load and stuff allows him to cash balls pretty deep 252 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: and still lift them. So if you really want to 253 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: get nerdy, like balls close to his body and close 254 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: to the back of the plate. He can lift and 255 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: also hit hard. So I guess this is a weird 256 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 2: way to say, like you can he can almost like 257 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 2: delay his reaction time a lot. And you could maybe 258 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: say a lot of guys in baseball do this, But 259 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: if you look at the list of guys who actually 260 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 2: lift those balls deep, it's like Carry Carpenter and Showeyo Tani, 261 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: Paul Goldschmail. It's all very very good hitters. So no 262 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: one needs me to tell you that you can validate 263 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 2: the fact he's an amazing hitter. Now, is he a 264 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: quiet dude? 265 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 4: You know? Yeah? 266 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I had a couple conversations with him. I 267 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 2: enjoyed my coma was with him. I thought he was 268 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: super insightful and stuff. But you know, he's he's not 269 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 2: the clubhouse leader from like an Ian Happer Dansby sponsor 270 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 2: Nicole Warner standpoint, who like those guys have energy and 271 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: they lead the clubhouse. He's a guy that was the 272 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: best player on this team from an offensive standpoint last season, 273 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 2: and yet I wouldn't say he like carries the torchedge 274 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 2: though in the clubhouse he is the alpha. You know 275 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: what I mean, and I'm I'm not knocking him for that, 276 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: Like he's not gonna change his personality, you know, like 277 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: he is who he is. So I think another team 278 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: would be getting a guy who's going to be a 279 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: very good hitter. As to whether he fits, as you 280 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: guys were talking about in New York before I popped 281 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 2: on here, it's a great question. Chicago is in fact 282 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 2: very different from a media standpoint than New York. I 283 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: grew up on the East Coast. That very much can 284 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: attest to that. But yeah, I personally think he fits 285 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 2: with the Dodgers the most because he will not get 286 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: a lot of media requests on that team, right, Like 287 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: people go into that clubhouse and you want to talk 288 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 2: to Atani and Freeman and Vets and everybody else, probably 289 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: before you go to Kyle Tucker, and maybe that helps 290 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: him kind of settle in. But yeah, I don't think 291 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: he's gonna be like the alpha ra ra guy in 292 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: the clubhouse. But I don't know how much you like 293 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: knocked the profile and how much you're giving him from 294 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: a monetary standpoint given that, because he's a great hitter, 295 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: and I don't think there's any stats that could kind 296 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: of back up. He's not a great hitter. The down 297 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: months he had last season we're all injury based, and 298 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: he played through him partially because yeah, he was going 299 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: into a contracts year. Of course I would play through 300 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: things too. I want I want my agent, a Casey 301 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: close to Excel, to head to the market and go 302 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: like this guy played one hundred and fifty plus games, Like, 303 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: look at you want him on your team. You don't 304 00:12:58,240 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 2: want him to be like, oh, he sat out two months. 305 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: You know he only played one hundred and then people 306 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 2: are like, well, two seasons in a row. He didn't 307 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: play a lot of games. So you know, we see 308 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: in contract years guys play through small injuries, and it's 309 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 2: because the player incentive matters, and I totally understand that. 310 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 5: Let me ask you this, do you think guy like 311 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 5: Kyle Tucker would want to go to New York? And like, 312 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 5: do you think he would want to be that star 313 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,599 Speaker 5: all of a sudden change in venues from Chicago to 314 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 5: New York? 315 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 4: Do you think you would want to go there? Don't. 316 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: I don't know him well enough to say yes or no. 317 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 2: My gut says no. I just think it makes more 318 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: sense for him to go to a team where he's 319 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 2: not getting hounded by the New York media when he's 320 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: playing through like a broken hand or something like that 321 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: or whatnot. So I mean, that's just my pure gut. 322 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: I don't know him well enough to appine i'd say 323 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: on that specific question, but I think wherever he goes, 324 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: he's going to hit, and I really think that's what 325 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 2: everybody's paying for. 326 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 4: And one more question with the Mets along that line. 327 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 5: Do you think the Mets officials saying they're an eighty 328 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 5: seven win team right now? 329 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 4: Do you see that happening or No. 330 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: I haven't looked too much at pure win total projections. 331 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 2: I do think, I will say, like as a concept, 332 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: we get a bit caught up with win total projections, 333 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: partially because baseball is like very random in a lot 334 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 2: of respects. So if you're projecting a team to win 335 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: like eighty seven games, you could usually add like a 336 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: six win variants on that. So if that team wins 337 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: eighty one or ninety three, which I imagine you guys, 338 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 2: is like a massive difference, right Like if you're if 339 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 2: you're leaving the clubhouse on the last day of the 340 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: season with an eighty one win team versus ninety three 341 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: win team, like you're a very different tenor I imagine 342 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: among the team. But because of how things are sequenced, 343 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: runs are scored, like, variance is huge, you know, So 344 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: I could see them being an eighty seven ish eighty 345 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: eight win team. Yeah, I mean I think they're in 346 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: that window. Maybe it's more eighty five to six. And again, 347 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: if they win eighty or they win ninety two, that's 348 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: within like the range of probables such that you're not going, 349 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: oh my god, this team insanely overperformed. So I think 350 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: win totals are tough. I often like giving ranges, but 351 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: I know it just throws out more numbers, and sometimes 352 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: people are like a little hesitant to be like, why 353 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: are you giving me three win totals? I want one? 354 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: So I get it from like a marketing standpoint. I 355 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: just say, like projections are a range of outcomes a 356 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: lot of the time, and I think we get caught 357 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 2: up in singular n is a lot. 358 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 3: All right, I want you to get into some pitching 359 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: development for us here. I want you because you feel 360 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 3: like the Mets are doing a really good job. I 361 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: think you mentioned the Naps and a couple of other 362 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 3: teams are doing a really good What are you looking at? 363 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: And then what are some of the teams also that 364 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 3: are doing a great job of the pitching development in 365 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 3: the big leagues right now? 366 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say one of the main things I look at, 367 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: which isn't totally public info, which is why I think 368 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: I've I've created a bit of a niche in this 369 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: is is minor like aggregated minor league data major league 370 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 2: totally Like, that's what matters, That's what you're getting paid for, 371 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 2: That's what Cohen wants at the end of the day, 372 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 2: you know, like that matters. But I think because the 373 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 2: samples are often smaller and because you have a lot 374 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: more monetary involvement from like we're going to pay this guy, 375 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: and perhaps that suggests what a team values. I like 376 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: looking at aggregated minor league do is so you can 377 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 2: be able to triple a combine everything together and let 378 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: me look at what a team is doing from like 379 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: a usage standpoint, velocity standpoint, results standpoint A lot of 380 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: that time A lot of the time, that to me 381 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: indicates what their models in internally are bias towards. So 382 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: look at a team like the Mariners, for example, they 383 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 2: have one of the lowest release points in the minor leagues. 384 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: They really prefer this like low sinker slider slot. You 385 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: look at a team on the inverse side of that, 386 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: for example, like the Dodgers and the Rais are in 387 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: the same sphere where they prefer the more hoppy fastball, 388 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: get in zona out throw really hard, not really large mixes, 389 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: you know, really focus on four seam slider early. The Mets, 390 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 2: I think, have struck a really interesting balance here where 391 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: if you compare their results from twenty twenty three to now, 392 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: they've shot up considerably and this is a direct byproduct. 393 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: I think of the individuals they brought in, particularly Eric 394 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: Jaegers and a bunch of other people they made. John 395 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: de Verwhen from Arizona is a guy they brought in 396 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: as a coordinator. He's incredibly sharp. They brought in Justin 397 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: Willard from the Red Sox, like they know what they're 398 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 2: doing on the personnel side, and they've combined that with 399 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 2: a couple of years now of really good development in 400 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: the minors. They have a ton of arms. We saw 401 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: them trade from the depth of their arms and a 402 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: couple of these moves they've made, particularly Ryan helsyone jumps 403 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: out to me, and they do a great job. And 404 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 2: I think they're really good and understanding like sem effects 405 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: and held the ball interacts with the air and getting 406 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: guys to shapes that will make them successful. And as 407 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: a result of that, you're running into like the Noel McClain's, 408 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 2: the Brandon Sprouts of the world. These guys who have 409 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 2: really deep mixes, throw hard, really good breaking ball shapes, 410 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 2: have the weapons to get lefties and righties out overall. 411 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: And here's what I'm talking about, Like you go back 412 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: to twenty twenty three, this team was basically like dead average. 413 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,719 Speaker 2: That was right around the time that Jaegers came in, 414 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 2: and you jumped to twenty twenty five now, and this 415 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: team from an underlying standward. So I'm looking at forcing 416 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: velo K minus walking zone with. I'm not really looking 417 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: at results because a lot of the time minor league 418 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: parks will influence results pretty heavily such that you're not 419 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 2: really able to get the best indication of like the 420 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 2: skills occurring with the pitchers. But Kymniswaks, I think a 421 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 2: great one. They're prizing Velo and they're getting a lot 422 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 2: of zone with so I really like what they're doing. 423 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: I to me right now, they are the number one 424 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: team from a pitching development standpoint, and I don't know 425 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: how many people agree with me. I think I've heard 426 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: some of the industry nod their head and say, yeah, 427 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 2: they have to at least be like top three or five. 428 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 2: But I do think a team like the Dodgers has 429 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: fallen off a bit. They had the highest walk rate 430 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 2: in the minor leagues last year, and I think if 431 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: you talk to people there, they'll attribute it to injury. 432 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 6: You know. 433 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 2: Their angle is like I've heard, like the golf metaphor 434 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: of like just hit it really far and then we'll 435 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 2: eventually get it on the runway for you, which I understand, 436 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: like they're taking big risks. I think they have a 437 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 2: very different approach to pitching development because they could go 438 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 2: out and pay a start of thirty million million dollars. 439 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 2: They don't need to develop like the fifth starter. There's 440 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: no need for that basically in the organization based on 441 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 2: the amount of money that they're able to spend. So 442 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 2: they're the ones that didn't shop out to me and 443 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 2: I know I'm going along here, But there's also like 444 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: on this concept of personnel, a lot of teams. I 445 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 2: made a YouTube video about this. There's a lot of 446 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 2: teams that have changed personnel, Nationals, Rockies, Athletics, Cardinals and 447 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: are pitching minded. Are the teams that I'd say, back 448 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 2: in that twenty twenty three area we thought of as 449 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: like deficient on the pitching development side and are now 450 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: on the uptrend. So we're getting to a point where 451 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 2: like a lot of teams are catching up on the 452 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 2: pitching side, which makes me very interested to see what 453 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: the future looks like. What's the next development? You know, 454 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 2: in five years, what team is the best and why? 455 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 2: And that's something I'm thinking through a lot. 456 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 3: Right, I'll tell you exactly what team is going to 457 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 3: be the best, the team that figures out the health 458 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 3: of pitching. 459 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: Holy health pitching. 460 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 3: If you raise your organizational velocity by I don't know 461 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 3: what percentage that is, but you went from fifteenth to third, 462 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 3: but your health declines. Is that a negative from a 463 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 3: pitching development standpoint? Because you're in on it, is that 464 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 3: a negative? And should team? Should teams and can teams 465 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 3: figure out how to keep that health? Because to me, 466 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 3: that's the holy grail of pitching development. 467 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 2: I agree with you, I think that My theory right 468 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: now is what we see is velocity continues to climb 469 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 2: and injury rates either stagnate or slightly decrease, which I 470 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 2: would argue is a positive trend overall for the league. 471 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 2: If you can pump Velo up and that's the strongest 472 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 2: correlation we have to UCLs popping and all these injuries 473 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: and such, but you can maintain the injuryator drop it 474 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 2: ever so slightly, that is an overall positive to me 475 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 2: from an individual team standpoint. If you push vela up 476 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 2: and the injury rates spike, it's a great question. I 477 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: think a lot of people publicly would say it's not good. 478 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 2: I know a lot of people internally that say that 479 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 2: is literally the risk necessary in order to create major 480 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 2: league level arms. The goal of pitching apartments is not 481 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: to keep people healthy, it's to create major league starting pitchers. 482 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 2: And what are major league starting pitchers right now? They 483 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: throw really hard with massive breaking balls and have deep mixes. 484 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 2: So there's any correlation between what I just said alongside 485 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 2: the injury route, I think personally there are a lot 486 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 2: of teams that would be comfortable with a small spike 487 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: or even a relative spike an injury risk if you 488 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: could then convince your fun office that your team created 489 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 2: the possibility of major league starters or increase, excuse me, 490 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 2: the possibility of having more major league starters. And they'll 491 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 2: never tell you this, like teams are never going to 492 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 2: tell you like our goal is, you know, or oh, 493 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 2: we're totally gonna make sure all these guys are healthy. 494 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 2: Like that goes entirely against the current incentives we have 495 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 2: in the game, which are too throw hard to have 496 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 2: nasty stuff. But this is the topic I've been thinking 497 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 2: about a ton and I'm fascinated to see how teams 498 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: address it over the next couple of years. And I 499 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 2: I would love to see guys throwing more in the miners. 500 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: I think it is a bit counterintuitive what we're seeing 501 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 2: from like a baby and guys in the min standpoint. 502 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 2: And you hear this from sharp people as well. And 503 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: this is also like a relatively old school concept of 504 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 2: like guys need to be worked up more in the 505 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 2: miners to then have success in the major leagues. I 506 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: think we're getting to a point perhaps it's going to 507 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 2: take like a league incentive where maybe they cut the 508 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 2: schedule by like seven or eight games. There's less games 509 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 2: and there's roster limits, and they limit some of this 510 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: piggybacking from Triple A to the majors, where teams are 511 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: literally forced to figure out how to get this guy 512 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: to go deeper into games. And maybe that creates a 513 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: subtle drop in velocity, But I guarantee you if that 514 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: velocity goes down and teams figure out, it's just gonna 515 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 2: go right back up, because velocity, for the most part, 516 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: is one of the strongest predictive success. 517 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 5: Last question here, you put out a tweet the other 518 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 5: day about the Angels, and I'm gonna read it here. 519 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 4: You said, actually, an interesting question. 520 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 5: If there is a consensus you're one of the worst 521 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 5: orgs of developing in the minor leagues Angels in frenzies. 522 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 5: There is it optional to rush players up so they 523 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 5: get exposure faster, relatively better coaches slash processes. Now, are 524 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 5: you saying it's not optional for them to send them up. 525 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,239 Speaker 5: You think they should send them up so they can 526 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 5: get better coaches because of the minor league development. 527 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like the worst kept secret of baseball. 528 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: But you talk to anybody in baseball about pitching development 529 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: or development generally, and you ask them like who are 530 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: the worst two teams or just the worst team, You're 531 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 2: gonna get the Angels like eighty to ninety percent of 532 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 2: the time. So this isn't like a thing I'm just 533 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 2: coming up with. But like anybody in baseball is not 534 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: confident what the Angels are doing from a development standpoint 535 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 2: as to why incredibly layered question. They have some really 536 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: sharp people there. They have Barton Smith, who's the godfather 537 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: of seem Shifted Awake. They have Jared Hughes, who I 538 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: think is one of the sharper minds in baseball from 539 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: the development standpoint as to why those results aren't geting 540 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: down to the field level in the minors, I really 541 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 2: have no idea, but this is something like I can't 542 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 2: a scared. So they go to the winter meetings that 543 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: I'm talking about, people are talking to people about, you know, 544 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 2: what their ord's doing or something along those lines, and 545 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: like people just joke with me that at least we're 546 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 2: not the Angels, and like, I don't know what to say. 547 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: At some point, someone has to be the voice that's 548 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: like pushing this stuff out there. Everybody rips the Angels 549 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: from an ownership standpoint, but like they haven't done a 550 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 2: good job developing guys, and I think their motto is 551 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 2: literally just to rush them up, because I don't know 552 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 2: if they have confidence in what they're doing in the miners, 553 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 2: like they're just mitigating the risk of what the minor 554 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 2: leagues will do with the guy. And sure there's definitely 555 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 2: seizing and that needs to go on. But when you 556 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: have other organizations in baseball think that they're actively making 557 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 2: players worse than the miners, like, I don't know what 558 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 2: to tell you. Just bring the guy up to the 559 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 2: majors and you know, get them around Suzuki and these 560 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 2: other guys who are clearly probably better coaches than those 561 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: they have in the miners. I don't mean to rip them, 562 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: but again, like I'm I'm realting what everybody tells me 563 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 2: every off season, and I'm getting to the point where 564 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 2: like everyone who dms me and is like, man, what 565 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 2: are the Angels gonna turn it around? It's like, man, 566 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 2: I don't know, like you tell me, like there's gotta 567 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: be some kind of change there. Everybody's on a one 568 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 2: year contract, so like, I'm fascinating to see what they 569 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: do next off season with things I really don't know 570 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 2: where the start is in terms of making this team better. 571 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: But I'm eventually gonna do some kind of like who's 572 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 2: the best pitching to have organ Baseball and rank all 573 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: the thirty team and like, I can guarantee you the 574 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: Angels are number thirty right now. Especially what what the 575 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,239 Speaker 2: Rockies did? You know, they're always behind the curve, they 576 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 2: haven't been good for a while, but look at what 577 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 2: they just did. They brought in a bunch of outside 578 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: voices Matt Daniels alone, likemen from the Marlins, Rivas from 579 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,239 Speaker 2: Ugly the Tigers. Like, there's new minds in there, new 580 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: blood that I think will catalyze some change where I 581 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 2: don't entirely know. I've seen that from an Angel's bringing 582 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: in sharp people from other Organs standpoint. So I'm waiting 583 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 2: for something to crack there and them to get better, 584 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: because they do have some fun arms in the miners, 585 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: but for now, I'm not really projecting any of them 586 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 2: to be impact until I see systemic change. 587 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: Well said, and I don't even think you have to 588 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: defend ripping right. 589 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 6: You are not a. 590 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: Hot take artist. You are a data analyst. Like everything 591 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: you're saying has a lot of backing to it right 592 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: with research and homework so well, said Lant. It actually 593 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: means a lot, and hopefully when you're saying this stuff publicly, 594 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: it ultimately leads to change or at least keeps the 595 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: conversation going. We gotta jump to next guest, but this 596 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: was awesome, dude. We love catching up with you for 597 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: joining us. Much more from Lance. Actually, we'll look for that. 598 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: Let us know when it comes out, and we'll plug 599 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: it too. When he does rank those one through thirty 600 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: pitching development programs in baseball, Lance Brostowski with us. 601 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 6: Thanks Lance, good talking to you man. 602 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me guys, take care you too. 603 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: And of course Lance was referring to a tweet on 604 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: Halo Territory. So go check out that tweet because it 605 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: features Mike d gi Ivanna our newest show that was 606 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: announced this week, and Mark Trumbo is the analyst. 607 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 6: On that show. 608 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 4: He's good. 609 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 6: You remember he would hit some fricking dangers. 610 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 4: Especially in the home run Derby to one year, Holy cow. 611 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 6: Which year was he in yours? 612 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 4: No? Yeah, it was yours? It was I think it 613 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 4: was in San Diego. 614 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 6: You were at Derby with him? 615 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I kim Yeah, I lost that. 616 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 6: One Wow, but you got you got one. 617 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 4: All good. 618 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 6: But Trumbo, dude, he was a beast. Beast, had a 619 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 6: nice career, had a nice little run. 620 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: So anyway, he's part of the Ft network. Now he's 621 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: on that Halo Territory show that just came out, so 622 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: make sure you check it out out. We are just 623 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: about ready to bring in our next guest, who is 624 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: the manager of the Kansas City Royal. 625 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 6: So it was just one second. I'll have him right from. 626 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 3: Trumbo and Todd both had flat level swings. If you 627 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 3: would talk to guys that were that, you know, oh no, no, 628 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 3: you got to swing up. You know, you gotta have 629 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 3: this launch. Trumbo and Todd both hit the ball like this, 630 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 3: like they would hit the ball right here and it 631 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 3: will go just hit absolute laser beams. 632 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: We're doing win totals and that's gonna take us through 633 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: really the next month or one. 634 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 6: Team by team. 635 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: The Dodgers are at a crisp ninety nine and a 636 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: half for their over under. 637 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 6: Remember last year nobody four. 638 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 4: Did anybody hit one hundred? Last year? I don't think 639 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 4: anybody did. 640 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 3: No, I don't think ninety ninety seven was the highest 641 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 3: by who. Milwaukee brewjas yes, I think Jays. 642 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 4: These are so hard, man, they're so hard. 643 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 6: Dodgers read ninety three wins, but they're. 644 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 4: Saying everything and everything. 645 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, yeah, that's the whole name of the game. 646 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 6: How do you think the health looks? But also the usage? 647 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 1: Right, the Dodgers are really good at playing the marathon 648 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: game of making sure that they're as close to full 649 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: strength of the playoffs as possible. I think they did 650 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: a really nice job of that this year, right, I 651 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: mean Blake Snell and Tyler Glass. Now I don't know 652 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: how many starts to but it wasn't a ton. But 653 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: then I'll take it in the playoffs you can get there. 654 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: So do they crack one hundred wins? Do you take 655 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: the under? Or we've been adding this to the mix. 656 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: Skip the bat. You don't want to deal with that. 657 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 5: I would say under, just in the fact that you 658 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 5: said that they're very smart when making sure their guys 659 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 5: are healthy, and they're not afraid to go for a 660 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 5: three or four game losing streak when they're up to 661 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 5: sacrifice making sure their guys are healthy. So I would 662 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 5: say ninety seven. 663 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 3: I would say under. But to me, I want to 664 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 3: look at how good is the division. Actually it was 665 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 3: last year were making a run and Scott Brown's. 666 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 4: Like here they come wat He just kept going. 667 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 3: That division may not have been that good. So if 668 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,239 Speaker 3: the division is down a tick, can they raise that 669 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 3: ninety three wins? Can they get can they get to 670 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 3: one hundred? 671 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 2: Yes? 672 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: Will they? I don't think they care to I don't 673 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 3: unless somebody in the division pushes them to win one hundred. 674 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 3: I don't think they care to win one hundred. I 675 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 3: don't think that matters to them. In fact, I would 676 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 3: guarantee it doesn't matter to them. All that matters is 677 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 3: putting a ring on that thing. 678 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. 679 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: And they have one of the oldest position player groups, 680 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: which is fine. There's a lot of benefit to that. 681 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: But they're going to be a load management team. 682 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 6: They are. 683 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: They're trying to win back to back to back titles. 684 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: I think they're going to do that with everything. 685 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. 686 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: A guy gets hurt, they double the time he's sitting 687 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: before he comes back. 688 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 6: If they feel like they're in a good spot. 689 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 3: But are you Are you as confident as our one yesterday? 690 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 3: Are you as confident? That's the thing, Like, I think 691 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 3: the Dodgers can run off one hundred wins season. I 692 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 3: think you know they're capable of it. 693 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm not dropping a lot. This is not one that 694 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm always a big no, I'm with you. 695 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: I mean, technically it's a skip for me just because 696 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: there'll be enough else that I like on win totals, 697 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: so it's a skip. But if we're playing the game 698 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: over under, I will take the under on this one, 699 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: and let's skew it up. 700 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 6: It's a big night, big big night. 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