WEBVTT - #420 - Estevan Oriol 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:02.480 What's up? This is a Steven Oriole check me out 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:04.320 on the Bootleg Cab podcast. 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:14.120 Yo, Bootleg Cab podcast. The legend is here that Steven 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:17.120 Oriole is in the building. Ladies and gentlemen, I would 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:19.880 like to say I'm a fan. I've been a big 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.080 fan of your work for a very long time. We 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:24.360 have had mutual friends for years and years and years 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:27.880 and somehow I've met you like in passing at random things, 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:29.960 but like never really like had like the fool like hey, 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.720 how you doing. Yeah, but uh, it's good to finally 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:35.839 be able to, you know, meet you and have you 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:38.519 on the show man. You're a legend. So yeah, I 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.040 was so happy a few years ago when the La 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.680 Originals documentary came out because there was so much about 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.880 you and cartoons story that like I kind of knew, 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:51.000 like I kind of I knew you had like gotten 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.559 your start with like Cypersille and those guys, but I 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:57.600 wasn't like fully aware you kind of fell into like 0:00:58.160 --> 0:00:59.360 the photography thing, right. 0:00:59.400 --> 0:00:59.600 Yeah. 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.680 It wasn't like a like you didn't do it on purpose. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.039 It was like they need they needed someone to take pictures. 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:05.240 Right. 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.520 I can kind of break down, like because your original 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.240 role with Cypress was something else, right. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:14.080 Yeah, I met Mugs in eighty nine and then through 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:15.680 the clubs and all that, I used to work at 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.600 the door and at nighttime and I did construction during 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:24.800 the day. And then around ninety two he was like, hey, 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.360 I got this job that I want to you know, 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.440 I think you're perfect for. And I was all psyched up, 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.760 you know, because I've been kicking with Cypress from eighty 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.520 nine ninety ninety one, and then you know, here comes 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.000 ninety two. I like, all right, cool, you know I'm 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.399 gonna be rolling with it. He was, but it's with 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:45.319 these other guys, a new group I'm starting. I was like, oh, fuck, well, 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.520 you know, I'll give it a shot. Anyways, I'll listen, 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.320 you know, hear it out and there was a house 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.120 of pain shots ever last year, and he goes, uh, 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.320 you know ever last I go, oh, hell yeah, because 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:58.240 you know, from working the doors. He used to always 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.320 come with a rhyme, synd a kid and iced tea 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:06.840 and all those guys. So it's you know, the job 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.600 is called road manage or tour managing, and at that 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:14.920 point in their career there was nothing. There was just 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:16.840 like a demo tape and the album. 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:19.560 Yet it was just it was just a demo. 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:21.800 I'm sure. Yeah, it was just like it was just 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.960 just getting pressed. And we're gonna go do a press 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.560 run in a van with different label reps, and we 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.120 go around to college radio and do in stores and 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:36.919 record stores and it's different, you know, the people different. Yeah, 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:38.400 people don't even know what I'm talking about. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:41.720 Like a serious bunch of guys in a van going 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.720 across the country shaking hands. 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:50.440 Yeah, shame, same sharing rooms, you know, going into record 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.000 stores and and they and they play your song and 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:55.840 you have to like perform it there, but like maybe 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:57.000 ten people in the store. 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.080 You know. The record store meet and greets are such 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.800 a just a I'm yeah, because you'd be able to 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.120 see your like the underground rap group that nobody really 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:05.080 knew about in your hometown. 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:06.200 Yeah, and they might. 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.000 Pop up at like a Zero Records or Tower Records, 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.600 and you'd be like, maybe there's twenty other people there 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:11.920 to meet them, but you get to meet them, you know, 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.320 get an album sign, get a poster sign, get one 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:15.680 of those black and white pictures signed. 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.120 Yeah. Yeah, so you would be lucky if it was 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:20.200 the Tower records. Most of the time. It was like 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.120 a little strip mall record pop spot. Yeah, and you're like, 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.080 oh man, you know, like but you had to do it. 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:27.920 That was part of the That was part of the deal. 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.240 Yeah, because if you did that, that store might give 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.000 you better real estate with where they put your album right. 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.360 Yeah, they might put you right front center or so 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.960 when everybody walks in, you're the first record they see, 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.920 or you know, they might suggest your records. Oh you're 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:43.200 like this, well you check out check opinion. 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.240 That used to be a thing. You would actually trust 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:48.839 the employees at the record store, yeah, to recommend shit. 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.760 And they knew their ship too. It's crazy. 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:52.400 Yeah, they did. 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:54.160 Like you could go in there and go, you know 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:58.880 that song like you might get this is They're like, 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:00.920 oh yeah, let's jump around ye you know, and then 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.640 you're like, damn, how do they know like lyrics from 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.000 every song to where they could just direct you to 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:06.920 the record. 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.040 Super lost art form being like a like a record 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:09.800 store employee. 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.960 Yeah, that was that was the ship. So that's basically 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.040 what it was was taking them to the insource, taking 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.800 them to you know, radio shows, making sure they catch 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:22.560 their flights and they're be on time for you know, interviews, 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.039 and then it was if they have to perform, you know, 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:27.720 help them out with all that. So I was like, yeah, yeah, 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:32.119 no problem. The thing was, it was like the only 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.719 catching it all is there's no pay, but you do 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.719 get your travel, taking care of your hotels, and you 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.240 get this thing called per deems, which is thirty five 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.080 bucks a day for food. So if you save that up, 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.640 you get two ten a week and then you're living 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:51.680 you know, you're living on their yeah, but you have 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.039 all your bills back home, so it's like you still 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.400 have your rent and all your shit to do back home. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:01.560 So luckily write it. The beginning of that jump Around 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.720 took off and we started, you know, really kicking in. 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:10.359 I think at the end of the summer, the band 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.560 was making like a GS show and just to play 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.640 jump Around and the intro is like a seven minute 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:21.160 DAT tape. And so for every thousand they would get, 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.839 they'd give me a hundred, So it's like three hundred, 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:27.159 three hundred, three hundred for the three guys, one for me. 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.280 So sometimes we do two three shows a day, so 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.440 that I'm getting you know, two hundred, three hundred bucks a. 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.400 Day plus, right, yeah, so it was cool. 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:37.800 I was like, man, this is great. I might never 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:41.000 have to go back to construction or working in the 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.440 door with a bunch of drunk dayheads. You know, they're 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.120 all on the guest list, so it's cool. I was like, 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.040 fuck y, I like this shit. And then we were traveling. 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:52.159 And meeting see the country to meet people, going to. 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:58.560 All the the the record when they call them the 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:00.760 back in the day Jack the Rapper. 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.600 All the conventions, music conventions. Yeah yeah, yeah. 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.240 So now you're seeing everybody that you ever listened to 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.760 all in one place, and everybody's like going to these 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.279 little showcases. And I was like, you know, I was 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:14.159 like I found the. 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:16.599 Junta just the fact to get paid to do that, 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:20.600 And like, I don't I feel like that level of 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.080 I think that people who want to get into the 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.800 music industry these days aren't impressed. Like like when I 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.960 was growing up, I worked for free at the radio 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.320 station for two years because I just wanted to be there, 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:35.880 you know what I mean. Like I was like, how 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.320 can I figure out a way to just pay my 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:39.720 bills through hip hop? 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:40.840 This is all I want? 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:42.960 That saw all I love, you know, so I would 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:46.240 have been happy just you know, with ten percent of 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:47.560 the success I've had in my life, you know. 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:49.320 Yeah. Yeah, So it's. 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.599 Like like you said, like, Yo, you can leave a 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.880 regular job, see the country, meet some of the people 0:06:55.920 --> 0:07:00.279 you are fans of, and like do something cool and 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.600 and not have to worry about all the normal bullshit. 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:07.320 So and then every night you're listening to dope music 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.040 for sure, and then every day you're in the behind 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.880 the scenes of the guys, some of the guys that 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:16.760 are making the hottest music out there, Cypress Funk, Dubious, 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:21.080 House of Pain, like our crew was fucking stead right then, 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:25.320 you know. So from there it went to, uh, you know, 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.040 we did a tour of the Beastie Boys and we 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.200 got kicked off because we're a little too rowdy for them. 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:31.040 And wait, wait, you. 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.800 Guys got kicked off tour with the Beastie Boys. Yeah wow, 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:35.120 is there an incident? 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:39.080 Like yeah, it was a little incident and we got 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:43.480 kicked off. And then the kar Lewis was our booking agent, 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:45.880 who's still doing her thing. You've heard that, you know, 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:50.440 on the songs. So I always used to love to 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.720 say that, you know, like who you know, who do 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.440 you guys do shows. I'd say, Karen Lewis is our 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.240 booking agent, you know from from The Pain and Full 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:04.000 And then she was like, that's kind of like a 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.200 blessing in the skies because now I can book you 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.120 guys one off shows and you guys can do your 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.560 own thing because the song is blowing up. So we 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.080 started doing our own thing. And then we went into 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:18.520 the Sol Assassin tour in ninety three and that was 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:24.440 a funk dubious house of pain Cypress Hill, and opening 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.280 up before them was The Hooligans. 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.440 Which is Alchemists and Scottie Khan. 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:34.800 So that whole tour was off the chain, like crazy. 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:38.400 Everything that could happen happened and it was one of 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.200 the best experiences of all of our lives for sure. 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:44.079 And then just. 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:50.280 Real quick, what was it like being around Alchemists as 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.040 a kid, Because obviously for people wh don't know Scotty 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:57.000 Khan is, you've seen him in tons of Hawaii I point. 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:00.559 I mean, he's in a ton of movies. He's a 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.079 legendary actor. His dad's obviously resting peace of his dad. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.360 He's a legend as well. But Alchemist as a kid, 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:12.160 you know, one of the most prolific, just minds, musical minds. 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.440 We've ever seen one of the goats when it comes 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.720 to production. What was that like having them on tour? 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.160 It had to be kind of like a rowdy tour. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.800 Yeah, it was definitely rowdy. It was off the chain. 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.600 And they were young, right because they were fifteen. Yeah, 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:27.120 they were kids, So like what was that? 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:29.719 He was like my little nephews, you know, like I 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.920 had to look out for them and and uh, you know, 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.680 kind of they were already doing their thing. You know, 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.400 they're already partying and hanging out with girls and stuff. 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.520 So it's always like there was no uh, you know, 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.800 you have to hide her with the kids over here, 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.160 and let's go smoke weed over here or whatever, or 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.240 you know, don't let no girls around them there yet 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:51.679 or whatever. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:52.840 They were already doing their thing. 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.160 Yeah, it was that was way past that point. So 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.240 now its just showing them how to do it the 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:02.000 right way, you know, Like I kind of had to 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.360 just take Alchemists under my wing. And then he started 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.880 coming on tour with us after the Hooligans, and he 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.520 was like our he was rolling with us. He would 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.240 help Mugs with the production stuff and he'd help me 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:19.280 on the tour stuff, and we had little like side 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:23.440 hustles that we'd do on the road and just me 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:25.400 and Al you know, we asked the guys, hey, is 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.600 it cool if we do this this? And you yeah, yeah, 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.520 go ahead and get your money, do your thing. And 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:37.720 I mean, would I ever think like, oh, Alchemist is 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:41.120 gonna be one of the great greatest producers of all times? Right? 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.200 Probably not? You know, just saw he was a youngster, 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:48.400 little kid, you know, but he was He wanted to 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:50.960 learn so bad, and he was so on it, and 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.440 he was like on point, even like helping me. He 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.520 was like right there like hey, oh can you do this? 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.320 Can you do that? He did everything right. It wasn't 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:03.640 like nowadays there's you know, there's a new generations and 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:07.360 they fuck up and they're like, oh, my bad, Oh 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.080 I did I just fucked this whole thing up? Bad, 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:14.160 my bad? That That wasn't no accountability, Yeah, I don't 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:17.520 give a fuck. Yeah, but Al there was no my bad. 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:22.000 He was on it, you know, so you could tell 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:26.200 he was gonna do something, you know, big, But you know, 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.320 you never would know. You never know of anybody's career, 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.640 like they're going to be a Grammy nominated or whatever, 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:36.000 you know. But to see that, it's just such a 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.880 like proud moment, you know for us older guys that 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.440 were around him when he was a youngster. Like I mean, 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:47.280 so leg you know in uh in a good way, 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:49.839 in a good way because now that word is that 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:51.520 word Jesus. 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:55.040 Uh So, so that tour happens, the soul assassine war happens. 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:56.840 How do you kind of walk me through how you 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:58.360 end up taking pictures? 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.760 Well, I was all so. I bought a sixty four 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.680 I Paula in nineteen eighty nine, and I had it 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.800 as like an every day you know, was every day ride, 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.199 yeah bucket you know, kind of had like rest spots 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.160 and stuff, and had these like rusted out like mag 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.560 rims and I just put sounds in it. Spent like 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:21.240 eighteen hundred bucks on the car. I probably spent another 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.920 fifteen hundred on just the sounds. And I'll just roll 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:29.720 that car around and just you know, be smashing in it. 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:31.640 And then I had a little work truck that I 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.000 bought for two hundred bucks. Somebody told me like, hey, 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:36.880 I got this truck. I want to get rid of it. 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.800 It's making this weird noise. The guy didn't know shit 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.120 about cars, and oh yeah, I'll take it off your hands, 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.079 you know, And I took it to my homie. He 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.920 did like a major tune up on it, another two 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:51.120 hundred bucks and it worked perfect for ten years. Crazy, 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.040 So I use that as my work truck and then 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:57.240 I put the Impaula away my homeie DC Donnie Charles, 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:01.200 he passed away in ninety four. He helped me strip 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:05.160 down the Impala and put it all into the right 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.320 shops and then I just used my work truck for 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:12.440 construction every day. But he was a He was a 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:16.920 manager of w C in the med Circle back then, 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:22.080 and uh, you know that was cool et Crazy Tunes. 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:27.240 C's brother rest in peace. And then uh, another guy, 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.720 I think his name was Jim, but there was four 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:33.360 of them, and Donnie Charles was the manager of them. 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:37.120 He had a thing called Hoodrat Records and a car 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.480 club called Hoodrat Car Club. And then so he helped 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:45.160 me take my car apart. And so from building the 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:51.000 Lowrider and joining a car club in East LA and touring. 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.360 My pops was like, hey man, you're doing a lot 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:57.600 of cool shit. You should take photos. But at that 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.360 time you know, cameras are like this big. 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.160 They're big, you know, big, clunky. 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.800 Yeah, yet to learn shit, you know, you couldn't just 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.360 like cheat and look, you know, get it to the 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:15.600 perfect place where sure digital screen is like perfect photo. 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.080 Then you go, okay, it's perfect click. You know, you 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:19.800 just had to go with your instincts. 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:21.440 You had to develop a whole role of film and 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.000 hope three or four were great, right. 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.040 Yeah, if you got one, you were happy, because what 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.440 can you do with thirty six good pictures of one 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:31.920 role in the film of one ship? You know. So most 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.040 people would always say full time photographers if you get 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:40.600 one shot per role, like you're winning. Yeah, And so 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.520 my pops put me onto taking photos. So I would 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:48.800 do that on my spare time from tour managing. And 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:53.320 I never really thought of you know, I didn't really 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:58.000 like the camera because I thought paparazzis or tourists carry 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.240 cameras around, you know, it looks kind of weird, right, 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:05.680 So I would always keep it kind of like to 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.000 the side, and then if I saw something cool or 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:09.840 if the homies were there, I would be like, hey, 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.760 let me get a flick, you know, and I would shoot. 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.120 I start off shooting all my homies from my car 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:19.080 club and that that world, and then shooting us probably 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:24.120 on the the Sol Assassin tour. I started taking a 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:25.600 couple of flicks here and there. 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.840 Right just for you, yeah, just for me, And then. 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.720 The homies would see the pictures, like we'd all kind 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.600 of compare our pictures after and be like, oh yeah, 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:37.000 let me see what you got. Let me see what 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:40.120 you got. And I would always notice that my pictures 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.720 were a little bit different than theirs. I would see 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:46.840 theirs and be like, oh, man, like like, we're right 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.160 next to each other. How did he get that picture? 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:51.240 Yeah? 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.280 Yeah, yeah. But I didn't want to say nothing. I 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.800 don't want to hurt nobody's feelings or whatever. So I 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:01.560 just kept doing it little by little, and then as 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.920 more people would see it, they were like, hey, this 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:05.960 is this is pretty good. And the lady at the 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.760 photo lab, she she dealt with all pros. She was like, hey, 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:11.560 can I blow some pictures up and put them in 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.280 the in the lobby of the photo lab. And I 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.560 had noticed that she had done that with all the 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:20.600 pros before, and she did it, and she sold eight 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:23.080 out of eleven of the photos. And she goes, you 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.840 know what, I've never sold that many photos here in 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:30.320 the lobby of the photo lab even of the big guys. 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.120 And I was like, okay, cool, Like I didn't know 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.240 what that meant. You know, she was telling me you're 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:39.920 onto something, you know, stick with it. So I did 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:41.800 a little bit, a little bit more, a little bit more, 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:46.920 and then I found the Because I was a tour manager, 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.480 I was the one dealing with all the magazines, the 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:54.440 record labels and everybody that was coming through photographers, you. 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:58.920 Know, the line of defense between the gatekeeper. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:05.040 Yes, so I would set up the interviews, like the 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.560 record label would send me a fax. I don't know 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:08.639 if people know what that is. 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:13.119 Frequently like frequently asked question FAQ or no facts? Is 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.040 a fact like a fax machine? Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.040 So you get this like prehistoric paper. 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.679 Yeah, we'd come through like this machine with the phone 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.760 and it was kind of like an email before an email. 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.080 Yeah, you get a fact, yeah, the paper email. 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:27.159 Yeah, that's exactly what it was. 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:31.000 Yeah, and it's on a crazy ass paper, Like I 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:32.760 have some of the factes from back then. 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.040 They do so crazy how they come into. 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.439 Yeah, with the noises and ship on the machine. So 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.480 I'd get a fax and it say four interviews an 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:45.600 hour an hour long, so you schedule a time with 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:47.720 the guys when they want to do it, So give 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:51.480 each person fifteen minutes. So I do the sound check, 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.159 then we do press for an hour, then we'd do dinner, 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:55.760 and then we do the show and then we leave. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:18:00.359 So the for the four interviews it's fifteen minutes. So 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.879 I had to, you know, be like, Okay, cool, we're done. 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.879 Next you know, I'm bringing the next interview, right. But 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:10.040 I would feel bad for the photographer because the interviewer 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.359 would take up ten minutes, you know, talking to these guys, 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.600 which isn't that much time if you think about it, 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:21.439 but everybody knew the deal, so it's like, you know 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.679 you're going to get this amount of time the photographer, 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.639 and I always see the photographer struggling, like where am 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.320 I going to shoot this classic picture of these four 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.160 guys at the hottest rappers in the world and we're 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:36.760 backstage at a concert for a four page article. And 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.159 I would see them going like, fuck man, poor guys, 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.800 you know. But then I was I started feeling bad 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:46.160 and be like, hey, if you guys need any photos 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.000 of the guys backstage or on stage during the show. 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.119 I have photos, and most of them would look at 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.200 me like, yeah, fucking sure, you look out of here, 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.880 you know, Roady or whatever the fuck you are. So 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.720 then I had these little little books with my photos 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:01.600 and I'm They're like, you take these, and I go, yeah, 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:03.880 that's why I'm telling you. If you want to use 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:08.320 my pictures, here check them out. So then they started 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:12.480 paying me to use my photos. Magazines yeah, and I 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.880 was like, oh, we'll give you two fifty five hundred bucks, 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:20.960 you know, a thousand and fifteen hundred to use the photos, 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.120 depending on the magazine and how big they would put 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:25.640 it in there. So I was like, fuck, I could 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:28.680 do this. This is pretty cool. This is better than 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:32.200 the other shit we were doing, you know, the moving 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:35.360 little things of weed or whatever. You know, Like, this 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:41.040 is cool. So I started getting a little bit more 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:43.600 serious into that, and I was taking more pictures of 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:46.520 my homies at the Lowrider shit, more pictures of the 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:51.920 touring stuff. And then I learned the language with the magazines, 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:55.320 and then I started learning about the videos and got 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:59.800 into doing videos, and it took off, you know, slowly, 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.560 because I wasn't pushing it because I had a job, 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:05.359 because you were doing the other shit. Yeah, but in 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.879 two thousand and five, those guys are tired of touring. 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:10.679 They're like, hey, we want to take a little break. 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:13.520 Is that cool? I'm like, yeah, you know, you guys 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:15.679 are the you're the boss, you know, like whatever you 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.240 want to do. But they were getting money from music. 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:22.520 But if you're not touring and you're you're not tour crew, 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:27.360 yeah yeah, you're out. So they're like you're good. Go yeah, yeah, 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:31.240 I'm good. You know, like what can I do? So 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:33.679 I just said fuck it, I'm going all in with 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:38.760