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Speaker 3: I'm so excited to have you. People think of you.

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Speaker 3: Me neither. What is it right? What is that?

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Speaker 3: He believed in communism, yes, okay, and he.

444
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: Really believed in it, like he loved I mean, he

445
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: was very much a communist. Like some of those people

446
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: who went to jail were not communists. He was one

447
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: hundred percent of communists. But towards the end he lived

448
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: in here.

449
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 3: Was not wrongly accused, No, he was rightly accused.

450
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 2: But he did live in Greenwich.

451
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: And so the you can't be a really good communist

452
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: and live in Grantwich.

453
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 3: No, you can be a good beatnik, right.

454
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 2: You can't be a good communist.

455
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: True, that needs to be an article. You can't be

456
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 3: a good communist living in Greenwich Village.

457
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: No, Greenwich, Connecticut.

458
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: No, I'm aware, Yeah, like you can't.

459
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: No Greenwedge, Connecticut.

460
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 3: Oh you can't be a communist. Yes, you're only allowed

461
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: to be a wasp. Yes, she was frown next to me.

462
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a Jewish communist who lived in Greenwich, Connecticut.

463
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's amazing.

464
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 2: Do with that what you will?

465
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 3: We have some mutual friends, and I've heard about your

466
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: very cool parties you have. Is that Andy Levy that's

467
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 3: one of them who shall not be named because he's

468
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: probably convalescing somewhere, but I have why is he? Wellie?

469
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 3: I want to have a podcast. It's called What's Wrong

470
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 3: with Andy Today? And it's just me asking Andy Levy

471
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 3: what's wrong today? Because it's amazing.

472
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: Is he just a hypochondriac?

473
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 3: Listen? I would never speak of him that way, but yes, okay, I.

474
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: Got a right just check it out because like, as

475
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: a Jew myself, I who.

476
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 2: Is somebody who's like, did you have an have you

477
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: had an MRI? I'm like, what we like?

478
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 3: I had no one?

479
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: Right with contrast or without? Like you know, I've had

480
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: all the you know, I've had.

481
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 3: Everything you can have. Yeah, but Andy and partly thinks

482
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: he just likes having things done. But yes, it's been

483
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 3: his wrist, his elbow, his stomach, his this, his that. Yes,

484
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 3: and I knew I knew it might be psychological when

485
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 3: he started telling me his cats were also having health issues.

486
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: So he has munch asens by proxy with the cats.

487
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 3: That's that's I adore Andy, And Andy, if you hear this,

488
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: I believe you, I really do.

489
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,479
Speaker 2: But no, I believe you too. Andy.

490
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 3: The parties, I haven't been to one because you haven't

491
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 3: invited me, but.

492
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: I will invite you.

493
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 3: But they sound like a throwback to the kinds of

494
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 3: cocktail parties I imagine, like your mom going to or

495
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 3: your mom having like the cock TOI Manhattan cocktail parties

496
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 3: that like defined like the sixties and seventies is and

497
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 3: we're like the place to be.

498
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: Right like the the I'm trying to think of the

499
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: the Black Panthers party at on Park Avenue, remember for

500
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: that was written about by Tom Wolfe. Yes, right, I

501
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: have not been. I've been sort of like not doing

502
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: as many parties because I just amlet for whatever reason,

503
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm I just it's not where my head is right now.

504
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: But I do. I do what I like.

505
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: The thing that I am obsessed with, and the central

506
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: tenant for all of this is that I I really

507
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: like introducing people to each other.

508
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's why. Yeah, And that's like my thing.

509
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: Like if I can introduce you to someone who you

510
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: can be best friends with or work with or mary

511
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: you know that for whatever reason like that, there's nothing

512
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: that makes me happier than that.

513
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: I like that too, Yeah, because it just is. And

514
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: it's also like you'll meet someone and you'll be like

515
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 2: this person needs to know this person and it'll make

516
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: you crazy until they do.

517
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: Yes, I feel the same way.

518
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I really like So that's ultimately the primary

519
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: purpose on all of that is just to get I

520
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: feel like this person should know this person.

521
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: And then if they know each other, like who knows,

522
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 2: what will happen?

523
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 3: Who do I need to know in your in your

524
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 3: social circle?

525
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: Well, I'm trying to think you have to sort of

526
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: I have to like now think about like this is

527
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: what will happen. It'll come to me and it'll be like,

528
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: you know, s he needs to know this person because.

529
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: They are what if I said, like if I told

530
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 3: you I'm super obsessed with musicals and I've always been

531
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: into musicals, like this might give you an idea to

532
00:27:52,680 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 3: someone yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're a mom and

533
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 3: like me because you're tuned into the news, plugged in,

534
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 3: well read whatever however you want it to be. I'm

535
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 3: sure you want your kids to be thoughtful news consumers.

536
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: You want them to know what's going on. I do too.

537
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 3: I read The Week Junior with my nine.

538
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: Year old every week, every week.

539
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: But also the news is really scary.

540
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: Yes, So two things. How do I raise good news consumers?

541
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

542
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: First, I have really cracked the code on this, and

543
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: so I want to tell everyone this.

544
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: I have three kids in twenty two, sixteens.

545
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: I subscribe to three newspapers okay in print okay, And

546
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: every morning i'd bakfast, there are three newspapers at the

547
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: dining room table. So if you come to breakfast, you're

548
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: probably going to open a newspaper.

549
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 3: I love that.

550
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: And if you'll open a newspaper, you're probably gonna know

551
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: what's going on.

552
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: And so that is I do the ft the.

553
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: New York Times and the Horrible, Horrible New York Post,

554
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: which that was not my pick.

555
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: That's a more complicated story.

556
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: But I have to read page six every day.

557
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. Well that one of my kids subscribe to

558
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: it to make us mad.

559
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 3: But that's a real story. That's how you make Molly mad.

560
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: It really my husband, I actually deal with it much

561
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: better than he does.

562
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: He's like, I just can't.

563
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: He's like sometimes he'll just be like, I can't, I

564
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: can't because I know there are other views, Whereas he's

565
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: just like, I can't, I can't.

566
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: He gets him so angry.

567
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: But but but yeah, so like that. Yeah, so people

568
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: read the newspaper in our house. And then also, I

569
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: don't I mean, you have a nine year old. Nine

570
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: year olds don't need to know everything.

571
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: You know, no details.

572
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, my kids are older, so I feel they like

573
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: can know pretty much everything.

574
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: I mean, what's so interesting about that?

575
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: What's happening right now with the Republicans at the state

576
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: legislature who are banning books.

577
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: These kids have bones.

578
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: They are literally like they can get like the most

579
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: grotesque pornography.

580
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: I mean they can get anything.

581
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: They read feature books with a.

582
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: Clique, like you wish they were reading books, right, I

583
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: mean like their I'm like what you oh, yeah, they're

584
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: going right, I mean exactly. I mean, like you know

585
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: what they're gonna ban. I mean they're gonna ban fax machines. Next,

586
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: like nobody doesn't fun and so that so that's always like,

587
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, there's just so only so much control you

588
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: can have. I mean with the nine year olds is different,

589
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: but with yea with older kids is that you know,

590
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: you kind of have to you you know, you hope

591
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: that they have a moral compass and that they don't

592
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: do drugs and that they don't do crime or something,

593
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: and you know, and then you sort of, you know,

594
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: you kind of have to trust that there's a universe

595
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: out there taking care of them.

596
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: That's hard for me. Yeah, speaking of minds, because a lot

597
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: of my anxiety stems from parenthood. What how do you

598
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 3: protect your mental health?

599
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: So okay, so there are a couple of things I do.

600
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: One is I'm just like careful about like I don't

601
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: I try not to like I'm trying to do too much.

602
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: So for example, like during the DNC, I did not

603
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: go to a lot of parts, Like there were all

604
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: these fun parties. I didn't go to any of them.

605
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: I just like went home in god in bed. Yeah,

606
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean part of it because I have one vocal cord,

607
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: I do have to really protect my voice, so I

608
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: can't like go to parties and scream at people and

609
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: like like you know, but then also so I do that,

610
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: but I also just like I just don't have the

611
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: bandwidth for because you know, I'm sober since I was nineteen,

612
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: I guess one was nineteen, and like when you're sober,

613
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: some of that stuff really like if somebody spills a

614
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: drink on me, I really don't like that.

615
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: It's not funny. It's not fun like that, I really

616
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: don't like it's not it's like real annoying.

617
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a few things I like less than

618
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: coming home smelling like someone else's like alcohol that they accidentally.

619
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: Spilled on me.

620
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: Yes, So so that kind of thing, like I don't

621
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm careful not to set myself up for being too

622
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: exhausted or also feeling like I'm just not getting you know, time,

623
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 1: So I do that, And then I also I just

624
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: am like protective of like if people like I won't

625
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: necessarily engage with stuff that I think is destructive. Like

626
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: even like with my friends, I won't talk about politics, yeah,

627
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: because it's.

628
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 3: Like, but don't they want to talk to you about politics?

629
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: Because that's all my friends and family.

630
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: So this is the thing that is so interesting to me.

631
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: There was like years ago, I was at a dinner

632
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: and I was with this food reviewer and I was like.

633
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: Oh, this is so great.

634
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: I love eating, Like I just want to talk to

635
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: you about restaurants, and he just want to talk to

636
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: me about politics. And he had the most atrocious political

637
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: views ever, like just like you know, and they were

638
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: just like and it was like one of these things

639
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: where he was trying to bait me, Like he was like, so,

640
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: what do you think about the border? And he's like,

641
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: but something has to happen on it, and I was like,

642
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: oh Jesus fun, you know. I was like and I

643
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: just wanted to know about like the best new Chinese restaurant, right,

644
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: And it was like, really he didn't want to talk

645
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: about food, and I didn't want to talk about.

646
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I have to be more cognizant of that,

647
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: because that's how I would be if I were sitting

648
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 3: next to a food critic. I'd be like, I want

649
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: to know everything, right, and he probably doesn't want to

650
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 3: talk about it, just like I don't want to talk

651
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: about politics.

652
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: Talking about politics, I went to a dinner where they

653
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: were like, we're like somehow they were all like, we

654
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: want to hear what we have to say.

655
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: And I was like no, I was like.

656
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 3: I get paid for this. Shoot me. I mean that's

657
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: the the first thing is people pay me to do this.

658
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

659
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: The second thing is I do this all fucking day.

660
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 3: I don't want to do it in my off time.

661
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: And also the other thing is that they want you

662
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: like usually it's not that they agree with you and

663
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: want to tell you how great you are.

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Speaker 3: No, it's the opposite. Yeah, they're dying to tell you

665
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 3: what you're wrong about and and they want your validation

666
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: that they are on the right track, that they said

667
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 3: something really smart. And yeah, I realized this makes me

668
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: sound very snobbish. And I always love talking to fans

669
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 3: and people who want to talk.

670
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: About fans different. I mean, a fan is like I

671
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: want to take a selfie with you. If you're a fan,

672
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: I want to be there with you.

673
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: That's different.

674
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like family friends, you want to yell

675
00:34:59,080 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: at you.

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00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember so. I when I first got their

677
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 3: job at CNN, like eleven years ago, I was home

678
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: visiting my parents and we went to their country club.

679
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: By god, I'm just digging myself a deeper and deeper

680
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 3: hole here. But we went to we went to their

681
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: country club for dinner, and one of their friends, this

682
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: guy comes like barreling over sc here, you got a

683
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 3: job at that communist trash network CNN. And I just

684
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: looked at him and I was like, who does this?

685
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: First of all, I'm a child to you, right, I

686
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 3: was like thirty or whatever, And this is a job

687
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: that's paying my bills, right, who are you? But like,

688
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: everyone has this entitled opinion about politics and your job,

689
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: and you're on the wrong side. And I'm just going

690
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 3: to tell you, even though you did not ask, right,

691
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 3: it's annoying.

692
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: No, I agree, I agree, I agree.

693
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 3: I haven't come up with the right, perfect thing to

694
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 3: say to get around it, to like avoid it. So

695
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 3: right now, all I've got is I don't want to

696
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 3: talk about politics. That's not it's not great, it's not creative,

697
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 3: it's not endearing. So I'm trying to find the thing

698
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: that gets me out of those conversations with friends and family.

699
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 3: But I'll let you know what I do. Oh good,

700
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 3: but okay, I want to do. It's kind of a

701
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 3: lightning round. You don't you don't have to be like

702
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: one word answers, But it's kind of quick. Okay, we've

703
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 3: sort of gotten to this. But if you weren't a writer,

704
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: what would you be?

705
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Speaker 2: I would be a I don't know. I guess I

706
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: would be a Oh, I don't know. I guess it

707
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: would be like it's too hard. I don't know.

708
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: Everything else is too hard, right every Yeah, I mean,

709
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: I guess i'd be like it.

710
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I don't know either. I

711
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 3: mean I can't picture anything else either.

712
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, okay, an oddity shop. I'd have an

713
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: audity shop and I would sell like ostra eggs and

714
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: fat goals and yeah, yea, yeah, I like that.

715
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: There's a really good one of those in the village.

716
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 3: Could you see yourself living in a foreign country and where?

717
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: Yes? If Trump wins Canada England.

718
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: Speaking countries, right, it's a little cheaper than England.

719
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: Not that I've checked this out or not sure that you.

720
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I could see, yes, especially if he's like

721
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: locking us all up, if there's like if he starts

722
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: really locking people up, like like I I it's because

723
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: my brother and I had a long talk about this

724
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: because our father, our grandfather, went to jail, so he

725
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,479
Speaker 1: was like, you know, Graham being in jail was really

726
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: good for Grandpa's career.

727
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 2: And I was like, I am not going to jail

728
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: for being a writer.

729
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: Like I was like, I know it was good for

730
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Speaker 1: Grandpa's career, but I am not going to do it.

731
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Speaker 3: I will not follow in his foot sex.

732
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: No, I was like, I don't want to go to jail.

733
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Speaker 1: And I was like, and you shouldn't want me to

734
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Speaker 1: go to jail either.

735
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: Like you should not.

736
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Speaker 2: You are my brother, you should we have different mothers,

737
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: but you should not want me to go to jail.

738
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we both got a few degrees. Yes, is

739
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 3: college worth it today?

740
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Speaker 1: I only have one degree, I have an MFA. I

741
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: don't I never want to agree. Yeah, but I never

742
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: went to college, so I can't speak to whether college

743
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: is worth it. I think, look, is college worth it?

744
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: It's a good question.

745
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: I think that it depends right if you're I think there.

746
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: Are certainly a lot of ways in which COMEDE is

747
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: really great. And I have this the this is something

748
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: I want to do that I want politicians to do.

749
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: They'll never do it.

750
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: It's like wildly unpopular, but I think everyone in this

751
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: country should do a national year of service.

752
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, at eighteen and like that can be the army.

753
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: That can be working in daycare, like being a daycare worker,

754
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: that could be working in eldercare, that could be working

755
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: in the parks, that could be Like I love the

756
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: idea that every single American kid from the age of

757
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 1: eighteen to nineteen works in this federal service program, and

758
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: that it's like a couple different things, so you don't

759
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be the Army.

760
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: It could be any number of things, but their service.

761
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: Oriented and that they all get to know each other

762
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: and they're all from you know, they are rich kids

763
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: and poor kids, and white kids and black kids and

764
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: this and that where you get everybody together and they

765
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: all have this shared experience and it is like what

766
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: it means to be an American.

767
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: It's a way of giving back.

768
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Speaker 1: And it's also I mean, I think they should be paid,

769
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, I think they should be paid like federal employees.

770
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: But I also just think it's like a very cool

771
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: kind of because what the problem is just and this

772
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: just gets back to college, is the problem with college

773
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Speaker 1: is that people are not ready at eighteen to go

774
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Speaker 1: into the world.

775
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 2: I say this as someone who dropped out.

776
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Speaker 1: Of college and went into the world at eighteen, Like

777
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: it's too young, especially right now, and so they need

778
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: a place to go where they can learn to be

779
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: a half adult and learn to and that's what college

780
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: functions as that in itself is good. It shouldn't be

781
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: eighty thousand dollars a year, and so, like the question

782
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Speaker 1: is in my mind, like part of the reason we

783
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Speaker 1: have this student loan crisis is because these colleges are

784
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: eighty thousand dollars a year and it was sort of

785
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: like de facto you would go to them and then

786
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: you could go and have a job where you don't

787
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: make eighty thousand dollars a year and you have to

788
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: pay off forty years of eighty thousand dollars.

789
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: A year with crazy.

790
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: So so my thinking is that I would love to

791
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: see like I would love to see like more money

792
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: spend on community colleges cheaper state colleges, so like you

793
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: can choose between going to a forty thousand dollars a

794
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: year college or a twenty thousand dollars a year college

795
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: or a you know, like there should be I don't

796
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: think like, for example, right now, very fancy ivy league

797
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: colleges can be free in itself that's great, but you

798
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: you should have you know, there should be like University

799
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: of California should be you know, if you're in state,

800
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: very very cheap and that and there should be you know,

801
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: if you're in state, you should get a huge preference,

802
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: and there should be a you know, there should be

803
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: college that you can go to that's in nearly free, right.

804
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: And then if you want to go to Harvard and

805
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: you want to spend eighty thousand dollars a year and

806
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: you have or you have the money or you have

807
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: the kind of you can apply for the grants to

808
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: do it, then that's fine, but that there should be

809
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: really I mean that we we.

810
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: And we're rich enough.

811
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: I mean, we're this really really rich country where we're

812
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: giving you know, we're giving Elon Musk hundreds of millions

813
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: of dollars in government subsidies so that he can tweet

814
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: all day. We should be giving that money to University

815
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: of Colorado, the state you know, the state college system,

816
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: and we should be supporting such things. Okay, sorry, no

817
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: to get political.

818
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: Great worst fashion trend today, I think.

819
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 2: All the oversized clothing is not so great.

820
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: And everyone, I mean, I guess it's good and it's

821
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: maybe it's a little feminist, so I shouldn't say that.

822
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: But I don't want to be so oversized, especially in

823
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: New York where the streets are really dirty, like you

824
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: don't want your cuffs dragging on the ground.

825
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: It makes me anxious. Oat, okay, oversize.

826
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: Best novel of the twentieth century. Oh.

827
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: I So this is hard because there I like a

828
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: lot of books that aren't that are like not like

829
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: I love Bonfire the Vanities, even though I know that

830
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: Tom Wolfe has has problems and I love.

831
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: There are a lot of books that I love that

832
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 2: are like that.

833
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 1: But I'm going to go with Bonfire the Vanities because

834
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: it's like, it's just a book about the world that

835
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: I grew up in that's pretty that I relate to.

836
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: But it's well done.

837
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: I think my favorite novel is I think it'd be

838
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 3: like Rabbit Run John.

839
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's okay.

840
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Two more questions. First, what's san Culter's deal?

841
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: I think I.

842
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: Actually read this really interesting book called Partisans, which talked

843
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: about the world that created and culture, which was very

844
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: very involved with Bill Maher.

845
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: Yes, and I wondered.

846
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: If and Culter's deal is that she is she's kind

847
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: of a she's a she's a woman who has gotten

848
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: a lot of she has gotten a lot of money, power,

849
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: success from all of her worst opinions.

850
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 3: Yes, do you think she's lonely? I think about this

851
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: a lot, Like I don't agree with her, right obviously, Yeah,

852
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 3: we both went to Cornell, which it doesn't make me

853
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 3: feel good either, But I wonder is she, like, is

854
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 3: she lonely being out there with so many bad opinions?

855
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: I think that, Like, it's funny because my mom went

856
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: to college with Martha Stewart, and my mother and Martha

857
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: Stewart always like hated each other and at this crazy rival, right,

858
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: and because my and and Martha Stewart, you know, I

859
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: wrote this piece about it in the New York Review

860
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: of Books and million years ago where I was like,

861
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: Martha Stewart was this girl who came from really a

862
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: poor family, was an immigrant, like had She was like

863
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: working her way through college modeling and also like cooking,

864
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: and then married this guy who my mother slept with

865
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 1: while they were married.

866
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: But my mom was like he slept with everyone. I

867
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: was like, okay, but you.

868
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 3: Know, like.

869
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: Martha had this very tough upbringing in a certain way,

870
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: and my mother had had this very I mean, my

871
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: mother was very fucked up, but she had had this

872
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: sort of grew up on the Upper West Side and

873
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: her parents were very genteel and while they weren't necessarily

874
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: good parents, she had a lot of secure you know,

875
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of structure around her to

876
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: protect her. And when her first husband went crazy, which

877
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: you probably shouldn't marry a person who you could probably

878
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: a normal person might have been able to see that

879
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: he was schizophrenic. Okay again, but like she had, her

880
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: parents rescued her. She had a structure that helped her,

881
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, in some ways. I don't know where I

882
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: was going with a story. Oh I know where I

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Speaker 1: was going. So my mother when we saw Martha, you know,

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Speaker 1: I asked her, you know, I said, like, Martha Stewart

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Speaker 1: has billions of dollars. Aren't you super jealous that she's

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Speaker 1: so rich and successful and iconic and famous? And you're famous?

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Speaker 1: But now really that famous? Complained to the Steward. And

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Speaker 1: she was like, she seems really lonely. Uh huh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I mean, now my mom is also lonely because

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Speaker 1: she's got Tomni living in a nursing home. But I

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Speaker 1: just thought, like I kind of get that sense a yeah,

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Speaker 1: and culter, but who knows. You know, she has a

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Speaker 1: lot of money.

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Speaker 3: Okay, last question, when is iced coffee season?

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Speaker 2: I'm not an iced coffee person. The thing I like,

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we're really getting into the controversial opinions here.

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Speaker 3: It hurts me.

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Speaker 2: I like iced tea and lemonade half and half.

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Speaker 3: Arnold Palmer mm hmm. Yeah, well that's delicious, but it

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Speaker 3: has nothing to do with iced coffee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's better than ice coffee.

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Speaker 3: That's like the wrong answer.

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Speaker 1: But iced coffee is so bitter and not if you

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Speaker 1: put sweetener in it. Oh no, I don't like sweetener.

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Speaker 1: I love sweet things, but I don't like sweetener and coffee.

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Speaker 1: And like if you put too much milk in it,

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Speaker 1: it gets really gross because the ice aw melts and

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Speaker 1: it gets too melty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's why you have to drink it fast.

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Speaker 1: But then you can do it's too cold and then

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Speaker 1: your teeth I have veneers, so it's too cold on

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Speaker 1: your teeth.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, And then you're cold. Then you have to

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Speaker 2: put on a sweater. Too cold.

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Speaker 3: We've written a whole story around the ice coffee.

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Speaker 1: Past coffee, just like one. I would have ice coffee

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Speaker 1: if it had like one or two ice cubes and

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Speaker 1: it was like room temperate coffee.

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Speaker 3: No, that's the wrong way to drink it.

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Speaker 2: That's what I would at coffee is water. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: what I like.

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Speaker 3: Well, jump fast. This was delightful. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: Don't tell Andy that I like room temperature coffee. I

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Speaker 1: feel like i've I don't want him to know that.

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Speaker 3: I won't tell Andy. We were talking about him. Okay,

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Speaker 3: we love.

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Speaker 2: And Andy, we love you. We're sorry.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about your reflux and the weird magnet thing.

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Speaker 1: You got to control your reflux.

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Speaker 2: I hol people just take privas that you.

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Speaker 3: Can't do it. I can't do Sorry. We love him, Andy,

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Speaker 3: all right, thank you, Thank you. Next week on Off

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Speaker 3: the Cup, it's the king of Bravo, Andy Cohen himself.

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Speaker 4: It mainly lived in the back of my head late

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Speaker 4: at night, you know those thoughts, and I would, you know,

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Speaker 4: have a little mini breakdown late at night, maybe once

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Speaker 4: a week, like what am I gonna do?

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Speaker 3: What am I gonna do? Off the Cup is a

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