Speaker 1: Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
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Speaker 4: I am Lisa and.
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Speaker 1: Got to go back to the Magic Castle here in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. I went a few days ago and it's
Speaker 1: really fun. I really fucking love up close magic. It's
Speaker 1: the best.
Speaker 4: Have you been there before? Okay?
Speaker 1: So yes, that was probably my fifth time going, maybe
Speaker 1: fifth or six.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Cara, I didn't know you were such
Speaker 2: a magic head.
Speaker 4: I'm a magic head.
Speaker 1: But also people love to go and I'm always like, well,
Speaker 1: I'll go with you. And you know, I wrote for
Speaker 1: this show on Netflix called Magic for Humans, so I
Speaker 1: know a bunch of magicians from that. Plus I know
Speaker 1: a guy you know as well who's like a magician
Speaker 1: comedian who used to come and perform at the Magic
Speaker 1: Castle and like just for everybody. So the Magic Castle
Speaker 1: is a huge castle in the center of fucking Hollywood,
Speaker 1: Like it's so wild, it looks like a castle, and
Speaker 1: it's a society of magicians also people like jugglers and
Speaker 1: mentalists and like other kind of like magic adjacent people
Speaker 1: can be in it, and you have to be a member.
Speaker 1: And then in order to attend, you have to either
Speaker 1: be staying at the Magic Castle Hotel, which is attached
Speaker 1: to it, or you have to be in by a member.
Speaker 1: So whenever you want to go, you can't just be
Speaker 1: like beeboop and like order tickets. You got to like
Speaker 1: find someone who knows. So I have been lucky that
Speaker 1: I've known a bunch of magic people. Plus we had
Speaker 1: this listener that reached out that wanted to send me
Speaker 1: and Lisa. Hopefully she can give us other invites when
Speaker 1: Lisa's back in town, and I'll take you we'll all
Speaker 1: go because our other friend wants to go as well,
Speaker 1: our mutual friend. So I've literally just had different opportunities
Speaker 1: to go. But the cool thing is if you get invited,
Speaker 1: you have to go. You have to have dinner. The
Speaker 1: dinner is a bit pricey, you have to pay a cover.
Speaker 1: If your friend is performing there, you can just get
Speaker 1: on their list and you can just go have a drink,
Speaker 1: watch the shows, and then leave. That's what I kind
Speaker 1: of like, because I the whole doing the whole meal,
Speaker 1: and everything just gets really pricey. That's all like I
Speaker 1: really like when I know someone that's performing there and
Speaker 1: I can be like, just put me on your list
Speaker 1: and then you can just pop in and that's the best.
Speaker 1: There's a dress code. You have to dress nicely. You
Speaker 1: cannot wear any kind of denim. You cannot wear a
Speaker 1: leather jacket. Like there's it's a very strict dress code.
Speaker 1: If women have to wear dress or gowns, and if
Speaker 1: you're going to wear pants, you have to have a
Speaker 1: matching blazer with it, apparently as.
Speaker 2: Long as it's not leather. I don't understand the no
Speaker 2: leather jacket of at all.
Speaker 1: I know because they don't want moto. They said, like,
Speaker 1: no moto jacket and I was like, this leather jacket.
Speaker 1: I actually wore it to the Magic Castle once like
Speaker 1: a few years ago, and I had to take it
Speaker 1: off and I was told take it off, and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is like the most expensive thing.
Speaker 4: In my wardrobe.
Speaker 1: That's like so wild that I have to And they
Speaker 1: gave me like a blazer to wear.
Speaker 2: I am so shocked. So women can't even wear pants.
Speaker 2: They can, they just have to wear a blazer with it.
Speaker 2: And men have to wear like suits and ties and
Speaker 2: you can wear like a bolo.
Speaker 4: Oh there's zippers. Their issue is zippers.
Speaker 2: Yes, there issue is no no zippers for the jackets.
Speaker 2: So you're not allowed to have a zipper, So leather
Speaker 2: or not, as long as there's a zipper, you're not allowed.
Speaker 2: Men were wearing tuxedos when we went, you know, like
Speaker 2: some people wear tuxes or my husband's always warn a
Speaker 2: suit when we've gone.
Speaker 4: Wow, no rompers.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, you can wear a jumpsuit like I've
Speaker 1: worn a jumpsuit, but it has to have a jacket
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 4: Like a blazer with it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was about to say, because it says defined as garments,
Speaker 2: combining a shirt with attached shorts. Oh, jumpsuit is paying Yeah,
Speaker 2: rompers is more like the short. Yeah, so jumpsuit is okay,
Speaker 2: no logos, leave your fendy purse at home. Yes, it's
Speaker 2: kind of a wild like situation, but we went and
Speaker 2: you can go. So there are small magic shows that
Speaker 2: happen in small rooms. There's big main stage magic shows,
Speaker 2: but then there's also up close magic where it's just
Speaker 2: like you sitting at a table with three other people
Speaker 2: and a magician and they just do fucking magic card
Speaker 2: tricks in front of you and they're so amazing. Like
Speaker 2: that's my favorite part. Like I love the up close magic,
Speaker 2: just sitting like three feet from a magician. Like he
Speaker 2: did this fucking trick, this guy where he like got
Speaker 2: everybody to think of a number and then he added
Speaker 2: the day's date or something. He added everybody at the
Speaker 2: table's number and it ended up spelling out the date
Speaker 2: and time that it was at that exact moment. Like
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's some kind of fucking math trick, but
Speaker 2: like it blew everybody's mind, Like I did one once
Speaker 2: where he had me write my name on a card
Speaker 2: and he somehow got it into a box in the
Speaker 2: middle of the table without like ever putting his hands
Speaker 2: under the table or near the box or anything. And
Speaker 2: it was my handwriting, and it was a card that
Speaker 2: I wrote my name on. I was actually carrying that
Speaker 2: card at my wallet until very recently. I like that
Speaker 2: you've moved on from the dress code. I'm still on
Speaker 2: the dress coat because you can. Yeah, no crop tops
Speaker 2: and no sea through fabrics, so no sheer.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had to make sure when I bring people, I
Speaker 1: like have to send to something and be like, please
Speaker 1: read this. And actually the last time I went before
Speaker 1: this time, you know what I wore was the exact
Speaker 1: outfit I wore to our New York show, like an
Speaker 1: Alice and Olivia, nice sparkly top that's like very New
Speaker 1: Year's Eve, sparkly disco ball vibes with like nice slacks,
Speaker 1: like pants and heels. And they were like, give us
Speaker 1: one second, we just need to check on your outfit.
Speaker 1: And I had thrown a dress in my car just
Speaker 1: in case, Like I had just thrown a dress. It
Speaker 1: was like just in case they give me shit because
Speaker 1: I didn't wear the blazer, and they let me get through.
Speaker 1: I think because my shirt was like very sparkly and
Speaker 1: like more fancy, you know. I just the blazer of
Speaker 1: it bothers me. I know, no, and it's very old school.
Speaker 1: And also there's not a lot of women magicians, which
Speaker 1: is kind of a bummer. Like they have pictures all
Speaker 1: over the place of like the numbers and old times,
Speaker 1: all these magicians, and I've never seen a woman perform there,
Speaker 1: though I know some do, I just haven't. And even
Speaker 1: on the walls, it's just like not that many female magicians.
Speaker 1: I wish that we could break the mystical glass ceiling
Speaker 1: of the magic world and more women would be into magic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was actually just thinking about this this week,
Speaker 2: not even about magic, but about how like once a
Speaker 2: woman hosts late night or has this like the blazer,
Speaker 2: like the the going masculine to look nice is confusing
Speaker 2: to me. I know that's some people's comfort, like I
Speaker 2: just I like to wear dresses, but it is a
Speaker 2: wild that, like, I guess I'm hosting a show, give
Speaker 2: me a blazer and a pant, And I don't get
Speaker 2: why it's like so far from the feminine when like, yeah,
Speaker 2: a girl does comedy.
Speaker 4: It's weird. It's just like I looking through all these special.
Speaker 2: And like everyone just leans into this masculine wear and
Speaker 2: it's not for me.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's because like for me that would
Speaker 1: feel to me if I was hosting a late night show,
Speaker 1: I feel like I might lean towards that also, just
Speaker 1: because dresses might be like people are looking at your legs,
Speaker 1: people are seeing how it fits around your tits. People
Speaker 1: are like kind of examining your body in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways when you're on TV, and there's something about
Speaker 1: just like the pants and the jacket that feels like,
Speaker 1: oh okay, she's wearing a red suit. Moving on. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like it doesn't call as much attention. Kara, that's
Speaker 1: so funny.
Speaker 2: You think a suit is gonna stop people from talking
Speaker 2: shit about women's body.
Speaker 4: It's gonna stop it.
Speaker 1: I think it's But I think it would reduce a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know.
Speaker 4: I think it would like reduce a little bit.
Speaker 1: Then, like if you're I don't know, that's something I
Speaker 1: could I could say for myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chelsea Handler's the only one, like, you know, she
Speaker 2: wore pants, but it was still fun Like I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about what you wore to watch what happens live, and
Speaker 2: it's like, that's such a fun out fit.
Speaker 4: But I don't see that often.
Speaker 2: I feel people lean into this masculine way of dressing
Speaker 2: when we're in these male dominated things instead of fully
Speaker 2: going to the feminine. Because I'm thinking of Taylor, Tomlinson,
Speaker 2: Amber Ruffin. Yeah, yeah, they're wearing mostly suit stuff, you know.
Speaker 2: That's what I was kind of talking about. Like Mary
Speaker 2: Beth Burne's out putting out a special and it's like
Speaker 2: vintage little Versati dress.
Speaker 4: But like and I was like, oh, that's so fun.
Speaker 2: But it's so rare to see people go full out
Speaker 2: feminine when they're performing stand like, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, and so is the Magic Castle. They want
Speaker 2: a fucking blazer? Yeah, I mean I want to see magic.
Speaker 2: But honestly, this is a turn off for me. How
Speaker 2: was the food?
Speaker 4: What did you order? Like a lasagna? What did you get? No,
Speaker 4: the food is good.
Speaker 1: I actually wildly got I mean it's basically a steakhouse menu.
Speaker 1: It's like very meat heavy, but they do have like
Speaker 1: a full vegetarian section. I got a bolognaise with impossible meat,
Speaker 1: and after I ordered it, I was like, this is
Speaker 1: a mistake, Like what am I doing? And I actually
Speaker 1: loved it, and I let everybody take a bite and
Speaker 1: they like loved it too, like it was really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you love impossible meat. I know, why would you
Speaker 2: not trust the process?
Speaker 1: I just think I don't really eat impossible meat wriggled
Speaker 1: up like that, like I eat it as a burger,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like I don't eat
Speaker 1: it like in a sauce or crumbled a lot. And
Speaker 1: so I was worried, but I had nothing to worry about.
Speaker 4: It was delicious. I loved it.
Speaker 1: But there's also like a truffle sort of hotcho at
Speaker 1: pepe kind of thing that I think a bunch of
Speaker 1: people got that I almost got because I've had it before,
Speaker 1: really good. And then a friend got a fish that
Speaker 1: they didn't love. But I think people like the red
Speaker 1: meat there when I've gone before, people like their steaks.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that if you were worried about impossible me.
Speaker 4: I can't believe someone ordered a.
Speaker 2: Fish at the Magic Castle.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that was the last minute move on her part,
Speaker 1: and I think it was a mistake. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it is kind of fun to go to something where
Speaker 1: you have to like dress up, like we don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't ever have to like look at
Speaker 1: a dress code for much of anything. And it's funny
Speaker 1: in LA because even in LA in New York, I
Speaker 1: remember going to some restaurants and being like, oh, everyone
Speaker 1: here is very dressed up, and like this is you know,
Speaker 1: in LA. I think like even the fanciest restaurant has
Speaker 1: like a tech bro wearing cargo shorts and a hoodie.
Speaker 1: Because it's like I've been to even some really nice
Speaker 1: places where it's like most people are dressed up, but
Speaker 1: it's not a big deal if you're not, So it
Speaker 1: is weird.
Speaker 4: Talking about the tech bro. I saw TikTok.
Speaker 2: I wish I remember the person's name, but it was
Speaker 2: it was a picture of Zuckerberg and.
Speaker 4: Some other you know, maybe a Bill Gates kind of guy.
Speaker 4: But it was like, Bro, like the jig is up.
Speaker 4: We know you're rich, we know you're rich.
Speaker 2: Wearing a shitty, ugly T shirt does not take away
Speaker 2: that you're worth a one hundred and fifty billion dollars And
Speaker 2: can we have some fun? Can you actually like make
Speaker 2: us look like And so then she went back in
Speaker 2: time and just how old timey rich people dressed and
Speaker 2: beautiful homes and ancient Italy or whatever, and it's like,
Speaker 2: we would appreciate the billionaires doing that a little bit
Speaker 2: of effort.
Speaker 4: Why are you.
Speaker 2: Living on these modern gross gray You look like fucking shit.
Speaker 2: It's like, not only are you richer than all of us,
Speaker 2: you're spitting it in our face by looking terrible. Put
Speaker 2: on a fucking gold put on like be Mariah Carey,
Speaker 2: you lose them, or.
Speaker 1: Even if you want to go quiet luxury, that still
Speaker 1: looks good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just like crumbled up, And it's like, we
Speaker 2: still know that you're evil in trying to own all
Speaker 2: of Hawaii and take TikTok away from us. You don't
Speaker 2: have to pay creators, but you're not cricking us, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I mean the fact that Mark Zuckerberg's head is not
Speaker 2: on a steak aka Ned what's his name? Ned Stark
Speaker 2: style is what's wrong with society. You hate Mark Zuckerberg.
Speaker 2: I think he should be tried for war crimes. I
Speaker 2: think we should pull him out of his house and
Speaker 2: murder him in front of his children. And that is
Speaker 2: what I believe. So you can leave that in I
Speaker 2: know the editors are probably scared. That is what I believe.
Speaker 2: Watch I'm gonna be dead. I'm gonna be like the
Speaker 2: Boeing guy, just kill in my car. They're gonna be
Speaker 2: like she was upset. Yes, you're gonna be the Boeing whistleblower.
Speaker 2: Watch out, Lisa, watch your back. Are they even gonna
Speaker 2: try to do something? I mean, honey, you can't have
Speaker 2: doors and wheels off your plane, but you can you
Speaker 2: can just murder the key witness.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: It was so it's like everything. I always say this,
Speaker 1: but it's so house of cards. I'm always like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: Well, we always look to Russia. It's like, wow, it's crazy,
Speaker 2: and it's like, what's happening here? And loudly that's an
Speaker 2: epscene and.
Speaker 3: Of this No.
Speaker 1: Jared is reading a book about Stalin and he says
Speaker 1: the same thing. He's reading a book about Stalin and
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, it used to just be like
Speaker 1: you can't say anything bad about the common and then
Speaker 1: they take you out to a field and shoot you,
Speaker 1: and like this kind of shit's happening.
Speaker 4: It feels like sometimes here too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, publicly, I mean this Boeing thing is so public
Speaker 2: that is zero fear to do that. Just like in
Speaker 2: the middle of a trial, that's an SVU episode.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: I bet next.
Speaker 2: Year or even in jail, I bet I bet this
Speaker 2: season or next season, there will be a Boeing episode
Speaker 2: because mid trial. With the nation obsessed with true crime
Speaker 2: like we are, I don't know how they think they're
Speaker 2: gonna get away with it, but they are.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, we were talking about la school whatever
Speaker 2: in our personal life. Schools are hard, and I didn't
Speaker 2: realize In New York. We have friends here. Their kids
Speaker 2: just didn't get into preschool. There's just not enough slots.
Speaker 2: So that's that. Yeah, but thank god the National Guard
Speaker 2: is on the train tracks. Yeah god, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: the National Guards there, right, And then there's children that
Speaker 2: just yeah, no school for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah here too.
Speaker 1: You cannot get into your homeschool, and they'll just be like, well,
Speaker 1: we'll send you to another school. But it could be
Speaker 1: along like a way away, like it's not your neighborhood school.
Speaker 4: Like it's crazy, it's crazy. I didn't realize how.
Speaker 2: For granted I took my childhood, I go to that
Speaker 2: school because it's close to my parents, and I get
Speaker 2: a great education. Hell yes, yeah, just to think that,
Speaker 2: like our friends are moving out of the city because
Speaker 2: they can't afford child's care and that he didn't get
Speaker 2: into preschool so they're truly moving.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what, it's insanity. What well, I was just gonna say.
Speaker 1: Part of it is because a lot of people are
Speaker 1: choosing private schools and they don't support the public schools,
Speaker 1: you know, especially in wealthy cities like you know, and
Speaker 1: not just trickles.
Speaker 2: Down these fucking Christian fanatics, Like it's wild to watch
Speaker 2: them win. It's really wild. It's all connected. The I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: like the turn back to homeschooling and staying on all
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 4: That is not an accident.
Speaker 2: That it's coinciding that in Missouri now you can't get
Speaker 2: divorced if you're pregnant. Oh my god, that article that
Speaker 2: you would Did you send that to me or just
Speaker 2: post it on your Instagram? I just reposted it. But
Speaker 2: I remember when it was all getting passed. That made
Speaker 2: me shiver. That was crazy, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: this isn't like, oh, I just want to homeschool my kid.
Speaker 2: All those videos about homeschooling kids always in the last
Speaker 2: ten seconds, it's I can't have them with all the
Speaker 2: queers in public.
Speaker 4: You know. It always there's always a twist.
Speaker 2: It's never like, hey, my kid's a little weird, they're
Speaker 2: not that social, they had a hard time in school,
Speaker 2: and it just works better for our family to be here.
Speaker 2: It never ends there. And then it's like and we
Speaker 2: have to make sure that we pray every day. There's
Speaker 2: always a twist at the end. And it's just really scary.
Speaker 2: They've been trying to close public schools forever and it's succeeded.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I was really talking about people that are just like
Speaker 1: paying thirty five thousand dollars a year for their kids
Speaker 1: to go to like upper crust like kindergarten or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I did not think about the homeschooling part of
Speaker 1: it either.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you're right, there's a comic here.
Speaker 2: A good friend, I would say, and we were hanging
Speaker 2: out and his son just got into the best of
Speaker 2: the best school in Manhattan and it's going to be
Speaker 2: sixty eight thousand dollars a year starting with kindergarten.
Speaker 1: What yes, yep, that's insanity. That's just like a level
Speaker 1: of money that I can't I can't even.
Speaker 2: Well, and then they all pretend that all kids have
Speaker 2: equal footing and if you just work hard, you can
Speaker 2: make it while your kids at a sixty eight thousand
Speaker 2: dollars a year kindergarten. Yeah, it's truly. Why does this
Speaker 2: always happen? We can't evolve into dystopia?
Speaker 1: Why do we always keep talking about how terrible the
Speaker 1: world is?
Speaker 2: But someone was like, oh, are you going to see
Speaker 2: the new show or movie called Civil War?
Speaker 4: I go absolutely not. Oh the Kirsten Duncet. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know what it is, but I know
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna watch it. It's basically a civil war
Speaker 2: here in America. It's like it's too close to home.
Speaker 2: It feels like something that could really happen.
Speaker 1: I think that's sickly why they probably made it, why
Speaker 1: people will go see it. But listen, let's let's turn
Speaker 1: away from all this darkness and turn to our favorite
Speaker 1: show of light and Rainbow's Law and Order SVU.
Speaker 4: Yeah, such a relaxing good time. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, we did not make it to the tent at
Speaker 2: Rockefeller Center to celebrate the twenty fifth year of SVU.
Speaker 2: But I would like to say that they were selling
Speaker 2: you know bracelets, and they all went to the Joyful
Speaker 2: Heart Foundation, Murshka's charity. And I hope so many people
Speaker 2: want bracelets. But I did feel smug, I did feel cool.
Speaker 2: Our listeners did it first.
Speaker 1: Yes, you guys have been making friendship bracelets for months
Speaker 1: and months. I literally just found my what would Olivia?
Speaker 1: My WWOBD bracelet that somebody made for me in my
Speaker 1: kid's room.
Speaker 2: No worry, girl, I'm still saving Mother's juice for you.
Speaker 4: I got it. I want it. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: It was in Liza's car. And by the way, that's
Speaker 1: a Toronto listener. I think that gave us Mother's juice
Speaker 1: and I want it so badly. And it's has literally
Speaker 1: moved from It has come from Toronto back to La
Speaker 1: moved with Lee's across the country and I will be
Speaker 1: collecting it when I see her there at the end
Speaker 1: of this month.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I cannot wait. Wait am I seen
Speaker 2: you end of March or end of April.
Speaker 1: And of April. But this episode comes out April two.
Speaker 1: Baby Rosie's being my god, Oh my god, time is
Speaker 1: a fly.
Speaker 4: Time is crazy.
Speaker 2: It just really sucks that you're gonna come here right
Speaker 2: before I'm gonna like fly back to La with.
Speaker 4: You right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, guys, we're gonna get started. Great episode coming at you.
Speaker 4: Oh right.
Speaker 2: We will be doing the episode today called Missing Pieces,
Speaker 2: Season thirteen, episode five, And there's gonna be some missing
Speaker 2: pieces in this episode as well, because we start in
Speaker 2: the middle of like a character that's introduced at a
Speaker 2: different time whatever. But you know, it's a fresh Tomorrow
Speaker 2: season October twenty eleven and done.
Speaker 4: Done. We're at a Halloween party.
Speaker 2: Baby, there's a face paint section balloon animals, and I
Speaker 2: want to bring up I think balloon designs and blue
Speaker 2: animals are coming back because I did book a hotel
Speaker 2: room recently at like a chic you know, like a
Speaker 2: fun little boutique hotel, and one of the extras that
Speaker 2: you can choose for your room is balloon floral bouquets.
Speaker 2: Why it's an extra forty five dollars what yeah for
Speaker 2: a bouquet of balloon flowers? Because I sent it to
Speaker 2: my friend, I was like, should I spring extra for this?
Speaker 4: Ha ha?
Speaker 2: Well, because then I'm sorry to the listeners that are annoyed,
Speaker 2: but I think this has to do. It's a Toronto
Speaker 2: room because I went, and I was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I should go check out hotels right now for Taylor Swift.
Speaker 4: Like I know it's November, but like, why am I waiting?
Speaker 4: And then I went and oh.
Speaker 2: I would say, seventy five percent of hotels are fully
Speaker 2: sold out.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: But there was like Hilton that's a ten minute walk
Speaker 2: to the stadium. And then I looked and I was like,
Speaker 2: of course there's no rooms available.
Speaker 4: What was I thinking?
Speaker 2: But I found a hotel that I was familiar with
Speaker 2: because I brunched there once. But all of these hotels
Speaker 2: like good, I would put my avails and then they
Speaker 2: would say, well how about next weekend? And then the
Speaker 2: only ones that are available at certain hotels are like
Speaker 2: a minimum fifteen, eighteen, nineteen.
Speaker 4: Hundred dollars a night.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: I know that's how she's stimulating the economy and all
Speaker 1: these places.
Speaker 2: I know the capitalism of it all is really tough,
Speaker 2: but I got a room at least, and I think,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think this Taylor Swift concert's actually
Speaker 2: gonna help me save money overall, because I have to
Speaker 2: not spend money because also, gotcha, two of our friends
Speaker 2: are having fortieth birthday parties that are travel based in September.
Speaker 4: Yes, so that.
Speaker 2: Is three huge fall trips for me where I am
Speaker 2: just like, oh, maybe next time I want to buy
Speaker 2: a little troll, I won't, I'll chill out. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: next time I see a little nick knack or I
Speaker 2: don't know, a tank top I don't need. I'll think
Speaker 2: about this hotel. But anyways, but yeah, the hotel I book, so.
Speaker 4: You can order a balloon bouquet.
Speaker 2: Wild.
Speaker 1: I did not do that for extra money, is wild?
Speaker 1: I just don't don't. I don't know who that's for.
Speaker 2: I guess if like you really want to surprise your
Speaker 2: girlfriend who's a clown enthusiast.
Speaker 1: Even like kids, like I don't know, even if you
Speaker 1: had kids, it's like forty five dollars for balloon animal
Speaker 1: Like no.
Speaker 4: Well that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: I think it's like coming back, Like because my friend
Speaker 2: in high school, her mom did all these balloon centerpieces
Speaker 2: and center she did bar and bot mitz was mostly
Speaker 2: one time we did Disney on ice. I got to help,
Speaker 2: but cool balloon stuff, like, I don't know, I think
Speaker 2: it might be coming back. Okay, why else would I
Speaker 2: hip hotel in Toronto be offering a balloon bouquet.
Speaker 4: That's like so out there for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely something another hotel's not offering.
Speaker 4: Say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. So Calvin's in this episode. For those
Speaker 2: who don't know, there's an episode with Maria Bello and
Speaker 2: this is Maria Bello's son, and basically Benson shows up
Speaker 2: and is like, I need to talk to your mother
Speaker 2: and she's like why, what's going on and basically reveals
Speaker 2: that her mother was a rape victim and she is
Speaker 2: the product of that rape and then she realizes why
Speaker 2: her mother hated her, and then she kills the rapist.
Speaker 2: She's on the lamb, and she leaves her son with Benson,
Speaker 2: and so that's the that's the tale.
Speaker 4: And he thinks he's a little too old for this.
Speaker 2: Party, and then Grandma Grandpa there and they're just like, ah,
Speaker 2: don't be rude, and Benson's like, nah, he's right, what
Speaker 2: do you want to do?
Speaker 4: Calvin?
Speaker 2: And then we cut to Tomorrow and his daughter Zara,
Speaker 2: and she has the most enviable costume of all time,
Speaker 2: Jasmine the Princess. Amorrow has vampire teeth and they're taking
Speaker 2: photos on a very decorated Porsche and Tomorrow does not
Speaker 2: like the jasmine costume. He's like, she's too young. Why
Speaker 2: is her midge showing? And his mom's like whatever, she
Speaker 2: likes it. And she pets Zara's head and it's like
Speaker 2: shut up, and he's like, why can't she just be
Speaker 2: a ghost. And then it goes straight too, I don't
Speaker 2: want you eating all this junk. I mean, why does
Speaker 2: he ruin everything everything? And then his mom is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you ate so much candy when you were a
Speaker 2: kid and you always threw up, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's my point, mo, And that is a funny moment.
Speaker 4: That is a funny moment. I do like that.
Speaker 2: Where it's like, yeah, I don't want my kid to puke.
Speaker 2: I remember feeling like shit. So then Rollin's and Finn
Speaker 2: they aren't playing trick or treat games.
Speaker 4: They're at work and they're looking for pedophiles.
Speaker 2: So you know, they knock on the door, they trick
Speaker 2: or treat and they make sure that the sex offenders are.
Speaker 4: Not tricking and treating with the children.
Speaker 1: I wonder if this is real, Like do you think
Speaker 1: that the cops go out on Halloween and like double
Speaker 1: check that like sex offenders are not answering.
Speaker 2: Hold, I'm gonna google it. I don't even know what
Speaker 2: to google. Do cops do knock and knocks?
Speaker 1: Do cops check on pedophiles on Halloween?
Speaker 2: While US Marshall's partner with officers and detectives throughout the year,
Speaker 2: the Halloween holiday presents a unique opportunity for law enforcement
Speaker 2: agencies to work as a team to identify and locate
Speaker 2: non compliance sex offenders.
Speaker 1: Oh when Halloween means a personal visit from the police.
Speaker 1: An article in The Atlantic registered sex offenders are subject
Speaker 1: to special rules on Halloween night, it says, yeah.
Speaker 2: And Atlanta has an article law enforcement keeps an eye close.
Speaker 2: There's all these local news articles. Here's one in Jersey.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it happens. Yeah, wow, Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a CNN on Halloween. Some states take extra safety measures
Speaker 2: to keep sex offenders away from kids. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: this county is Butts County. How dare you so it
Speaker 2: is real? It is real?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Oh? Whoa.
Speaker 2: In Missouri, some sex offenders are required to post a
Speaker 2: sign stating no candy or treats at this residence. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's good. I thought the sign said sex offender. Like
Speaker 2: I'm glad. It just says, I don't do candy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you do not want to come in here.
Speaker 1: Virginia keeps them by holds mandatory educational sessions and drug
Speaker 1: and alcohol screenings on Halloween.
Speaker 2: Oh but several sex offenders sued the city of Jacksonville, Florida,
Speaker 2: because they said it's unconstitutional. But yeah, wild wow, I
Speaker 2: mean not wild, but it makes sense. I mean, the
Speaker 2: kids are coming directly to your house.
Speaker 1: In California, it's called Operation Boo, where they have officers go.
Speaker 4: Check up on them. Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow, Although what the link to Operation Boo is dead,
Speaker 1: so maybe this is a ten year old article, so
Speaker 1: maybe it's maybe not anymore. But wild wow, Okay, interesting.
Speaker 2: So they knock knock, and heels I'm not supposed to
Speaker 2: open the door, which is suspicious, like if it was
Speaker 2: a kid, you could just be silent. So yeah, it's
Speaker 2: like a crazy answer, but he opens the door. Rollins
Speaker 2: calls him a good boy, he knows the rules, he
Speaker 2: knows the drill, and then fingas, see you next to
Speaker 2: your baby, And so we cut to our SVU girlfriend
Speaker 2: who has been in three episodes and in the show Insecure.
Speaker 4: Her name is Lisa Joyce.
Speaker 2: She's been in the episode Avatar, and she was in
Speaker 2: an episode if I knew then what I know now
Speaker 2: obviously a Warren Light era episode title. Yes, So she's
Speaker 2: running into a bodega and being chatty with the guy.
Speaker 2: She wants diapers, but then she goes, well, my baby
Speaker 2: skin is sensitive.
Speaker 4: Do you have any organic? You're at a bodega, babe? What?
Speaker 2: And I get now, like, shit's so gentrified that there
Speaker 2: are like fancy or bodega's little stores with organic, but
Speaker 2: I saw this bodega. This is for emergencies only when
Speaker 2: you got to run and like, your you know what,
Speaker 2: I mean, what are we doing here?
Speaker 4: She's like, well, can you just.
Speaker 2: Check in the back, And it's like you don't think
Speaker 2: this guy knows the inventory?
Speaker 4: Like this is his life, dude. Like the back is where.
Speaker 1: They have all the expensive diapers that they're not putting out,
Speaker 1: Like that's so crazy.
Speaker 4: And the bodega does pass the vibe check.
Speaker 2: There is a pumpkin decoration, and you know, it always
Speaker 2: makes me mad when they don't, like on SVU acknowledge holidays,
Speaker 2: So I'm really glad that they are. Yeah, and now
Speaker 2: it cuts back to Finn and Rollins and you know,
Speaker 2: another knock knock, but this pedophile like opens the door
Speaker 2: dressed like a full clown with a bowl of candy,
Speaker 2: just like you fool.
Speaker 4: They call him Bozo and they haul Assassin.
Speaker 2: And so while our girl is checking out with diapers,
Speaker 2: we're back to her.
Speaker 4: She's looking towards the door.
Speaker 2: Then she screams and runs out, and now it cuts
Speaker 2: to Tomorrow a Zara trick or treating, and she says
Speaker 2: thank you in a super cute voice to a woman
Speaker 2: who gives her candy, and then Tomorrow asked what she got,
Speaker 2: she says candy corn, which both Kara and I do
Speaker 2: really like candy corn. Yes, but I wouldn't say it's
Speaker 2: our number one favorite, and Amarro goes, oh, that's my favorite.
Speaker 2: This dude just wants us not to like, like he
Speaker 2: is so hot, and it's like, can you just stop
Speaker 2: having the worst thing of everything?
Speaker 4: But whatever, he gets a paying sodaes Benson.
Speaker 2: They all have to go to work, so she ditches Calvin,
Speaker 2: he ditches Zara, and it's time to get to work.
Speaker 2: So Lisa Joyce is crying to uniform cops that someone
Speaker 2: stole her car and stole her baby, and someone has
Speaker 2: her son.
Speaker 4: And it hits the credits. We're back and it's all
Speaker 4: hands on deck.
Speaker 2: Cragan's in a trench coat and Benson and Tomorrow are
Speaker 2: trailing behind. Tons of cops are working, and Craigan's like, fuck,
Speaker 2: a baby missing on Halloween?
Speaker 4: Any good news?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: You work at SVU, Like, but yeah, so it was
Speaker 2: a three month old. He was in the car. We
Speaker 2: have no footage, no evidence, no nothing. Craigan also doesn't
Speaker 2: like that they would even leave the baby in the car.
Speaker 2: He goes, who are these people anyway? So it's Tina
Speaker 2: and Tim their Taurus. They drove down from Buffalo to
Speaker 2: see the Halloween parade, which I famously thought I was
Speaker 2: booked to co host for the news, but I was
Speaker 2: just there for a news interview to say, look at
Speaker 2: my costume, and that was humiliating. I told a lot
Speaker 2: of people to tune in. Okay, So where was the dad?
Speaker 2: The dad was looking at the rental apartment that they
Speaker 2: like booked for this trip that they had, and the
Speaker 2: mom though, she's not going to the precinct without the dad,
Speaker 2: like she's just she's not doing it. Craigan says, well,
Speaker 2: she has no choice. Take her in but she's smoking
Speaker 2: a cigarette. She hasn't talked to Tim in an hour,
Speaker 2: she's not calling her back, so she's flipping out. So
Speaker 2: then the bodega dude is like, she's a good mother.
Speaker 2: She wanted organic diapers. That's all it takes. It's like,
Speaker 2: you didn't even see the baby. Yeah, But he says
Speaker 2: that she was looking out the door and like, you know,
Speaker 2: looked like she was in a hurry, but he did
Speaker 2: not see the car. So they are forcing her to
Speaker 2: the station, and right in that moment, Tim runs in.
Speaker 2: She explains everything to him. He flips out. He's about
Speaker 2: to fucking attack her in front of all these cops.
Speaker 2: Amaro pulls them away. Benson takes the girl and she's like,
Speaker 2: I'm the only one who can calm him down. And
Speaker 2: Benson's like, I think tomorrow can do a good job,
Speaker 2: and she's like, no, he doesn't like cops. And it's like, ohkay, hey,
Speaker 2: no one else does either get in line to him.
Speaker 2: So she's getting stressed with all the questions and Benson goes, listen,
Speaker 2: you might think details don't matter, but they matter, and
Speaker 2: it could help us find your son, Ali. We need
Speaker 2: your help. Let's go. So the dad tells tomorrow that
Speaker 2: he was getting screwed out of two hundred dollars because
Speaker 2: he showed up late to the rental and there were
Speaker 2: already six gay guys staying there. I don't know why
Speaker 2: it matters, you know, if they're gay or not, but
Speaker 2: I think it's a nice character touch, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. We know a little more about this guy.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have a lot of gay friends. He asked
Speaker 2: if they rented the room for tonight. He's like, well,
Speaker 2: we were a day late. I was tired, so we
Speaker 2: slept in the car and we got in today. But
Speaker 2: then he just goes, where's my son. Benson asks like,
Speaker 2: why did Tim leave you here?
Speaker 4: To the girl.
Speaker 2: You know they're Orthodox Jew rules, they're split up by gender. Yeah,
Speaker 2: She's like, he said he would be right back, and
Speaker 2: the baby was sleeping, and she pleads like please, he's
Speaker 2: lactose and tolerant. He needs soy formula, and she starts crying.
Speaker 2: So the news is up in the squadroom and the
Speaker 2: amberler is happening. There's a tip line and we know
Speaker 2: it's a nineteen ninety Honda accord. So Craigan's like, yes,
Speaker 2: this is what the city needs a fucking tourist horror story.
Speaker 2: And there's no leads, stone cold, no witnesses, no video,
Speaker 2: no hits from.
Speaker 4: The toll booths. And then the mom is like, can
Speaker 4: I smoke in here?
Speaker 2: This is like no, I think smoking sections are illegal
Speaker 2: at this point. You cannot smoke in the cop office.
Speaker 2: So Tim is in the cement barroom with Amorrow and
Speaker 2: he leaves them in there to walk out, and you know,
Speaker 2: fuck him up a little bit. The girl he is
Speaker 2: in the woodblind's room and Craigan's office has a little
Speaker 2: window view to both the rooms, which I don't always notice.
Speaker 2: But he doesn't like that it's been hours and still
Speaker 2: no sign of the car or the baby. He's like,
Speaker 2: let's pull everything on these people and I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4: Chat with Buffalo.
Speaker 2: They also can tell she's scared of him, so we
Speaker 2: do hate Tim. So Craigan is basically like, listen, we
Speaker 2: need to find who the last person to be seen,
Speaker 2: like who saw this baby? Go go find out who
Speaker 2: fucking saw this baby last. So now we're bringing in witnesses.
Speaker 2: The room is full. Tomorrow is mad though, because he's
Speaker 2: on the phone and she ate too much Candy and
Speaker 2: she's not going to bed, so he's pissed. He's like, fine,
Speaker 2: have one more piece, but then you gotta go to bed.
Speaker 2: And then they do their I love yous and it's cute,
Speaker 2: and then he goes, that's my daughter. Everything's a negotiation,
Speaker 2: and then Benson goes, yeah, I wonder where she gets
Speaker 2: that from.
Speaker 4: Anyways, four hours, no clues.
Speaker 2: But also, Benson, you met him four episodes ago, Like
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Suddenly you know that he's
Speaker 2: a negotiator. You barely know the guy. And they all
Speaker 2: don't like Tim. We don't like Tim. His egos up
Speaker 2: and you know, Tim sees himself is protecting his woman Ali,
Speaker 2: but they don't really like him. So they go to
Speaker 2: play mind games with them and figure stuff out. Craigan
Speaker 2: has gossip from Buffalo and basically there was a domestic
Speaker 2: incident call six months ago made by her sister, but
Speaker 2: Ali backed him up so no charges were filed, but
Speaker 2: there is a report. So he's gonna send Rollins and
Speaker 2: Finn up to Buffalo to get more information, which, sure this.
Speaker 4: Is not it would have been a zoom.
Speaker 2: Okay, Benson and Tomorrow get to play my games of
Speaker 2: their dreams because these people aren't that smart. So we're
Speaker 2: also now at the Studded Monkey, which is a bar
Speaker 2: on Avenue C and this guy, he's the Craigslist renter,
Speaker 2: so he's the apartment that this Buffalo couple was gonna
Speaker 2: rent from. And he's like, oh yeah, Tim was pissy
Speaker 2: and annoyed, and Finn's like, well, he has a right
Speaker 2: to be. You gave away the apartment. He goes, no,
Speaker 2: they were a day late, so I rented it out
Speaker 2: to someone else. He only met the guy and doesn't
Speaker 2: know about any baby. He only saw the man and
Speaker 2: he wants to go party and he doesn't give a shit.
Speaker 2: And then Finn gets a text at the bar and
Speaker 2: they're going and the guy's shirt was open this whole time.
Speaker 2: It was amazing. It's like, we have to show that
Speaker 2: he's gay. Unbutton his shirt. Yeah yeah, but anyway, so
Speaker 2: Finn gets a text to let him know that he's
Speaker 2: going to Buffalo, so we knew that before they even
Speaker 2: knew they were going.
Speaker 4: He's not happy. He does not want to go to Buffalo.
Speaker 2: He does not like to work extra actually iced tea
Speaker 2: today posted like fuck, I have my first day off.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do and that, like, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're a real grinder and hustler, if that's your situation,
Speaker 2: and it's like, just take a breath, ice, just play
Speaker 2: some video games. It's okay, jump in your pool. You
Speaker 2: don't have to be earning cheerio money at every moment.
Speaker 2: You don't have to be on tour with body count.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to be working at raising canes,
Speaker 1: like in your free time, just fucking chill.
Speaker 2: Allie is pleading in the woodroom, like my husband is good.
Speaker 2: He doesn't hit me, he loves me. And Amar was like,
Speaker 2: just tell us the truth so we could find Nate.
Speaker 2: So she sits down and admits that he is a
Speaker 2: jealous guy and he didn't think that the baby was his.
Speaker 2: And that's what happened at the like domestic disturbance called
Speaker 2: her sister made you know, she had a drink with
Speaker 2: an X.
Speaker 4: He got mad at her.
Speaker 2: The sister overreacted and he only just shook her a
Speaker 2: little bit. And she's like I know how to handle him.
Speaker 2: I know how to read his moods. And it's like okay,
Speaker 2: well this is a bummer way to live. And Amaro's like, okay,
Speaker 2: can Nate control him, like, what about Nate? And she
Speaker 2: says Tim would never and he tries to be all tough,
Speaker 2: but in the delivery room he was bawling and Tim
Speaker 2: is like, I never heard. That was a misunderstanding and
Speaker 2: there were no charges, and Benson is like, okay, but
Speaker 2: we just want your side, and he goes her bitch
Speaker 2: sister hates me.
Speaker 4: I wonder why.
Speaker 2: And I see the way they look at me, the
Speaker 2: mom and sister, you know, because their dad left.
Speaker 4: They hate all men. And he's like, but I love
Speaker 4: Ali and she knows it.
Speaker 2: And Benson's trying to go him into like admitting to something,
Speaker 2: because she sees right through him and he doesn't even
Speaker 2: know what's coming. You know. She's a genius. And he
Speaker 2: gets up mad and says, I want to talk to Ali.
Speaker 2: What are you putting in her head? And she tells
Speaker 2: him to sit tight.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: So now there's all this whole wait commotion. They might
Speaker 2: have found the car under an abandoned bridge, so they're
Speaker 2: off to the bridge. Siren's wo and Benson runs out
Speaker 2: of the car with a flashlight. She starts investigating the car.
Speaker 2: Windows are broken. Baby is not in there. They pop
Speaker 2: the trunk. The baby is not in there. Either good
Speaker 2: or bad news, I'm not sure. So now they have
Speaker 2: to start checking the woods, the embankment, divers in the river. Like,
Speaker 2: Benson's like, this baby can be out here anywhere. So
Speaker 2: they stand together like kind of taking in the moment
Speaker 2: of what like a giant search is ahead of them.
Speaker 2: And so now we're at sixteen hours after the kidnapping,
Speaker 2: and we're all back in the office and it's a
Speaker 2: busy squadron. I'm like, Benson and Tomorrow aren't going to
Speaker 2: be doing the digging, you know what I mean, that's
Speaker 2: a different team. That's a different team. Craigan, Benson and Tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Basically no evidence of foul play in the car. There's
Speaker 2: no blood, no prints, nothing except for Tim's. So that
Speaker 2: means the car thief, wour gloves, or there are lies
Speaker 2: and we need to figure it out. So we have
Speaker 2: to keep them talking. Okay, So then they enter the
Speaker 2: room and Ali's like did you find him? Did you
Speaker 2: find him? And they're like, well, we found the car,
Speaker 2: and she's like, wait, but that's good news. Wait, but
Speaker 2: you didn't find Nay. Oh fuck, that's bad news. And
Speaker 2: he's like, but Nate was in there right in the
Speaker 2: car seat. She goes, yeah, I told you that, and
Speaker 2: he goes, wow, that's a long journey for such a
Speaker 2: little guy, Buffalo to New York. She's like, yeah, but
Speaker 2: cars put him to sleep, so it was perfect. Marrow
Speaker 2: asks when they decided to do the trip, and she says,
Speaker 2: last week because Tim really wanted to see the hall
Speaker 2: Lean Parade. And he's like, well, what about you? Did
Speaker 2: you want to come? And she goes, yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: But she was bummed because she had to take time
Speaker 2: off of work. But she does work from home and
Speaker 2: she does debt collection. You know what, I just learned
Speaker 2: that not paying debt collectors doesn't actually fuck with your
Speaker 2: credit because they own the debt. It's not yours anymore.
Speaker 2: Oh really is that true or false?
Speaker 4: I don't know?
Speaker 2: Okay, message just if you know, I guess I can
Speaker 2: ask my new business manager. Because I want to get
Speaker 2: all my ducks and everything in a row. And I
Speaker 2: paid off a lot of stuff, you know, because I
Speaker 2: don't check my mail, so sometimes I missed shit and
Speaker 2: I paid a big lump sum.
Speaker 4: And then someone just told me that and I go,
Speaker 4: what fuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah, But like, doesn't your credit like your credit is
Speaker 1: affected before it goes to collection, like if you're not paying, well.
Speaker 2: It's medical no, because like I sometimes will not pay
Speaker 2: medical stuff. And I got the people were calling me,
Speaker 2: and I just paid it, just like because I thought
Speaker 2: I had to. But I guess what my friend was
Speaker 2: saying is that the people take ownership of it, like
Speaker 2: they pay for the debt, so they own it and
Speaker 2: they just try to trick you by bothering you. But
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's not even yours anymore.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's better that I paid it, but I am pissed
Speaker 2: because I have a hotel to pay for in ten months.
Speaker 1: Man. Also, can I just say no one's driving from
Speaker 1: Buffalo to New York to see the Halloween parade. Thank
Speaker 1: you for saying that. The Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. Yes,
Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving Parade iconic. You people come from all over
Speaker 1: the Halloween Parade. It's just kind of like a clusterfuck
Speaker 1: in the West Village. Yeah, like I avoided at all costs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just like a drunk fun night.
Speaker 2: It's not like, ye, the best costumes in the world
Speaker 2: night in New York.
Speaker 4: It's not that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or like floats that like by huge companies, Like
Speaker 1: I'd say Gay Pride is a better parade than even Halloween.
Speaker 2: I don't think Tim's going to the gay parade. We
Speaker 2: know how Tim feels about gays.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that should have been their biggest tip off that
Speaker 2: this is lies. Is that, like we drove six hours
Speaker 2: for the Halloween parade. But we do find out that
Speaker 2: Tim has a job, which you know, I thought it
Speaker 2: was a twist, but he does construction. So that's exciting.
Speaker 2: But now we're talking to the sister. Okay, so Rollin's
Speaker 2: and finner with the sister. Her name is Moira, and
Speaker 2: I kind of like that, but she goes, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I never know what's gonna you know, set him off.
Speaker 2: My sister never knows. She's jumping out of her skin
Speaker 2: half the time. Just anticipating is every move and emotion
Speaker 2: sad way to live.
Speaker 4: I bet that's what their dad was like, you know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, from like TikTok therapists, I've learned, like if
Speaker 2: you're like a people pleaser, like you had to like
Speaker 2: anticipate someone's emotions at all times as a kid, it's
Speaker 2: like not healthy.
Speaker 4: Or something so, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Maybe Nate's lucky no jaciugh whatever. But they actually don't
Speaker 2: even live together, so that's something we learned from the sister.
Speaker 2: He lives with his mother and she stays with the sister,
Speaker 2: but he's over there a lot. She's like, and he
Speaker 2: eats my food like he pays for it. And she
Speaker 2: says that he never hit the baby, like when Moira
Speaker 2: was around. She's like, I never saw him hit the baby.
Speaker 2: But she has to call the cops because he was
Speaker 2: pounding forties and he twisted her sister's arm so bad
Speaker 2: that it was purple for a week, and so they
Speaker 2: asked to go look at Nate's bedroom. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure, But in my head, I'm also like, shouldn't
Speaker 2: the sister be a little more upset and scared like
Speaker 2: her nephew is missing. Yeah, Like I don't get She's
Speaker 2: just being so matter of fact right now. And she
Speaker 2: says the last time she saw Nate was Sunday before
Speaker 2: they left, and they got a late start because their
Speaker 2: car sucked and had issues and they had to fix
Speaker 2: the car. So they left around four pm and she
Speaker 2: saw them put Nate into the car and he had
Speaker 2: his toy keys and he was holding onto his dinosaur
Speaker 2: and then that's when it finally hits her, and like
Speaker 2: she starts acting like a person who you know whose
Speaker 2: nephew is missing. But she's optimistic because she heard that
Speaker 2: in carjackings the babies are usually fine, and she might
Speaker 2: have the same source as me, saying you don't have
Speaker 2: to pay your debt if it goes to the So
Speaker 2: then it's a slow pan back to the cement room
Speaker 2: and Tim is yelling for them to find his son,
Speaker 2: and Benson's like, yeah, no, we're doing everything we can.
Speaker 2: But he doesn't understand why he can't leave the room,
Speaker 2: and she's like, because we need your help, like you
Speaker 2: need to help us, you need to think about stuff.
Speaker 4: And she's like, I know this sucks.
Speaker 2: I know you're angry, and he goes, you know why
Speaker 2: because I wasn't there.
Speaker 4: I wasn't there to protect my boy.
Speaker 2: And he grabs the bar windows and says, I screwed
Speaker 2: it up, and Benson goes, it's okay, and he goes, no,
Speaker 2: it's not. And you don't think so, and Ali doesn't either,
Speaker 2: and Omarrow's like, you think Ali's gonna blame you, and
Speaker 2: he says she will find a way, and Benson does
Speaker 2: not like that. And that's what's crazy about him. It's like,
Speaker 2: obviously this man hates women, it's like very clear. But
Speaker 2: for him to be like, she's gonna blame me, She's
Speaker 2: gonna find a way, she's twisted. And it's like her
Speaker 2: whole existence like that we've even seen a peak of,
Speaker 2: is only catering to this man and his emotions in
Speaker 2: any one of his needs. She didn't want to call
Speaker 2: off work. She's going a fucking buff She is the
Speaker 2: only one who can calm him down. And it's like
Speaker 2: yet in his brain, even though she does everything, she
Speaker 2: is still a bitch that's gonna like turn on him.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't she have turned on him immediately, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's just like it's so wild, and Benson doesn't like that.
Speaker 4: He said that.
Speaker 2: So then someone enters the precinct and he is holding
Speaker 2: a car seat and it's mister Hernandez and he bought
Speaker 2: it from a pedlar and brought it home and his
Speaker 2: wife recognized it from the news. That is an eagle
Speaker 2: eye wife, and she should be brought into the academy
Speaker 2: and brought into the brought into the squad because to
Speaker 2: notice the exact same car seat from the news as
Speaker 2: your husband wildly brought home from a pedlar amazing, But
Speaker 2: can we even confirm its nates? And the photos and
Speaker 2: CSU will have to work and the Unis are on it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna canvas, YadA YadA, We're gonna find the pedlar.
Speaker 2: So we find the pedler, what are the chances? And
Speaker 2: we go to chat with him and he has a
Speaker 2: permit and he's like, I'm not doing anything illegal.
Speaker 4: I have a permit. And they'll whole blanket with his wares.
Speaker 2: It's all baby items, every single baby item, and they're like,
Speaker 2: we need suppliers. He goes, that's confidential, and they go,
Speaker 2: that's not gonna work, bro, And so they take this
Speaker 2: man in. He has white, long hair, a skull T shirt,
Speaker 2: Vietnam Vet vibes, and he's yelling about being arrested, and
Speaker 2: the Unis approach all the baby items and they're ready
Speaker 2: to bag them and do them. And so now we're
Speaker 2: back at the cement room and he's like, man, if
Speaker 2: I saw a baby, I would have ran because I
Speaker 2: hate babies. So it wasn't like if I saw a
Speaker 2: kidnap baby or a baby in distress. He's like, if
Speaker 2: I just saw a baby, I'd be out. That's not
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 4: I'm out of there.
Speaker 2: But he's not admitting to stealing the car. And Tomorrow
Speaker 2: was like, listen, we found your print, so what are
Speaker 2: you doing? And he goes, but you're allowed to lie
Speaker 2: to me, right And Tomorrow looks like he's been caught
Speaker 2: and I love it. So then finally he admits, like, yes,
Speaker 2: I did break the window. I took the stuff, but
Speaker 2: there was no baby in there, and the car was locked, Like,
Speaker 2: no one would leave a car like that unlocked with
Speaker 2: all this stuff. I didn't just hop in and drive
Speaker 2: away from it. I broke the window. I took the stuff.
Speaker 2: He goes, it was Halloween night, and then he's like, listen,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna ask for a lawyer. So Craigan's in
Speaker 2: the spy room is like, damn, this dude lawyered up,
Speaker 2: and so they thought he was a kook, but no, no, no,
Speaker 2: And Diane Neil's here, so that's exciting. Hey girl, we
Speaker 2: love you. And she's like, so what the fuck now?
Speaker 2: So Benson knows something happened between Buffalo and New York City,
Speaker 2: but she doesn't think either of them are hardcore criminals,
Speaker 2: so like they would have had a better story if
Speaker 2: they were. And dian Neil's like, well, I don't give
Speaker 2: a shit, like I have two confessions. And it's like yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's not gonna work, like so much reasonable doubt,
Speaker 2: like it's not gonna happen. So Dan goes, fine, then
Speaker 2: keep them talking. There's not enough if not that, and
Speaker 2: then Tomorro finds something. He goes, hold up, I found something,
Speaker 2: and basically, uh oh, they found a cooler in the car,
Speaker 2: and in the cooler is fecal matter with traces of
Speaker 2: soy formula. So they put the baby in the cooler.
Speaker 1: Done done, which does remind me of the Taysacs episode
Speaker 1: where of course the baby is found in the cooler.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot about that. So obviously they had
Speaker 2: a little commercial break. We're back from the cliffhanger. We
Speaker 2: open up in the woodblind and she's sleeping on the
Speaker 2: couch and Amorro closes the door so it wakes her up.
Speaker 4: She asks what time it is.
Speaker 2: He says eight pm, and he's like, so, what are
Speaker 2: you dreaming about? And also asked if she's all right,
Speaker 2: So she goes, yeah, I was, you know, I'm all right,
Speaker 2: and then they start talking about dreams and it's like,
Speaker 2: move it along, honey, we don't like it in real life,
Speaker 2: and we definitely don't like it on television.
Speaker 4: Stop.
Speaker 2: So then she says, you didn't find Nate. You would
Speaker 2: have told me that first. So this sucks. So she goes,
Speaker 2: he's dead as any and Tomorrow responds like, that's what
Speaker 2: you think, han. She goes, well, you would have found
Speaker 2: him by now, and he sits down and says, okay,
Speaker 2: let's go back to Sunday, the day you left. But
Speaker 2: she's really hesitant to start talking, and he's trying, you know,
Speaker 2: he's easing her in. He's being really charming. He's like,
Speaker 2: what if someone followed you? Like, what if something's happening
Speaker 2: knew you were leaving. We need to think of every
Speaker 2: small detail. So in the other room, they're showing Tim
Speaker 2: pictures of the items and he admits, like, that's mine,
Speaker 2: that's mine, And then they show the cooler. The string
Speaker 2: instruments begin to play and they're getting louder and he's like,
Speaker 2: how do you know that's mine? And Ben's and of
Speaker 2: course is like, motherfucker, your fingerprints are on it. And
Speaker 2: the lab found something else inside too, and she gives
Speaker 2: the poop toy evidence and she wants an explanation and
Speaker 2: he's like, I don't know, and he starts brainstorming. It's
Speaker 2: not going well. His ideas aren't good. He's like, maybe
Speaker 2: she just changed his diaper and she's like, no, mother
Speaker 2: would put a dirty diaper in a cooler. Bro like,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? And Benson basically breaks it
Speaker 2: down and goes, you have two choices. To him, there's
Speaker 2: a good outcome we find out it was an accident
Speaker 2: and the baby fell and hit his head, or the
Speaker 2: bad outcome would be you lost your temper and you
Speaker 2: shook Nate and he says no. She says, then tell
Speaker 2: me what happened, and he screams, do not attack me,
Speaker 2: and she looks at him like scum, and then he
Speaker 2: starts to cry and then he does say I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: and she says that doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 4: How did Nate end up in the cooler?
Speaker 2: He walks away and he like grabs onto the bars
Speaker 2: and Benson walks out to the crew like fuck, he's
Speaker 2: shut down now, Like he's out of it. He's not
Speaker 2: gonna help us, and Tomorrow is still and then it's like,
Speaker 2: well where's tomorrow? And Tomorrow is still talking about Buffalo,
Speaker 2: So they are really taking their time. Nate woke her
Speaker 2: up at five am, and Amar was like, wow, you're a.
Speaker 4: Really good mother.
Speaker 2: So that's like really nice of him, and she gives
Speaker 2: him a bottle. She says it was really quiet, she
Speaker 2: had some coffee. He says, you got to take better
Speaker 2: care of yourself, like why aren't you eating you? You
Speaker 2: know you worry about everyone else. You gotta worry about yourself.
Speaker 2: And he gives her a little snack bar and he's
Speaker 2: so charming. I forgot everything bad he's ever done. And
Speaker 2: so then they leave around four pm. Like I truly
Speaker 2: was so horned up, Like he really is so hot,
Speaker 2: it's wild him giving her a snack bar. I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: come over here, like I just really love him in
Speaker 2: this moment.
Speaker 4: It's hot.
Speaker 2: Why won't you do our podcast? So then they leave
Speaker 2: around four pm Sunday. What if like we did, like
Speaker 2: our brains did break and then we started stalking all
Speaker 2: the people we wanted on our podcasts who wouldn't say no.
Speaker 4: And then we became the criminals, and then two other.
Speaker 2: People took over the podcast and like the whole podcast
Speaker 2: about the crimes of us.
Speaker 1: This is how our docuseries starts, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: We're doing this, and then slowly we're yeah, we're doing
Speaker 2: the kidnapping. So then we find out, you know, they
Speaker 2: left her around four pm on Sunday, kind of like
Speaker 2: what the sister said. But they didn't get to New
Speaker 2: York City till Monday afternoon, So what's going on? She
Speaker 2: pushes her hair behind her ear, that's a tell, and says,
Speaker 2: Tim was tired.
Speaker 4: We slept in a rest stop.
Speaker 2: He goes stop at alley and he's so hot because
Speaker 2: now he spins and now he's like, like he's really mad,
Speaker 2: and so he gets up and he's like, so far
Speaker 2: you've been telling the truth, but sleeping in the car
Speaker 2: is a lie, and he yells.
Speaker 4: So he's just yelling.
Speaker 2: He's being aggressive, and finally Ali looks up at him
Speaker 2: and goes, okay, we have to sleep at a motel,
Speaker 2: and she says the Binghamton Motor Lodge. And Tim didn't
Speaker 2: want her sister to know that they were, like, you know,
Speaker 2: in the motel. Craigan threw the grass is like, damn,
Speaker 2: first lie and then calls Finn. So then Finn and
Speaker 2: Rollins can go to the motor lodge. So they're talking
Speaker 2: to the bartender of the hotel and he's like, yep,
Speaker 2: they checked in really late. They went straight to the
Speaker 2: bar and they had wild turkey and COR's light and
Speaker 2: he says no babies are allowed in the bar, like
Speaker 2: when Finn is asking about the baby. And then finally
Speaker 2: Finn goes, bro, we don't care about the liquor license,
Speaker 2: just tell the truth. We're looking for a missing baby.
Speaker 2: I don't care if the baby was in here. So
Speaker 2: they show the Nate photo and he goes, yeah, I
Speaker 2: remember the baby. The baby was in a car seat
Speaker 2: under the table the whole time, and the bartender hated
Speaker 2: it and made him feel really sad. And then also
Speaker 2: that they kept fighting and fighting the whole time about
Speaker 2: Halloween costumes because she bought a pumpkin and he said,
Speaker 2: no kid of mine would wear that, and he threw
Speaker 2: it in the trash.
Speaker 4: So that's what they were fighting about.
Speaker 2: And as a parent, can you maybe walk me through
Speaker 2: this anti pumpkin cost I really care that I might
Speaker 2: not understand because I would love a little like I
Speaker 2: don't get I don't get it.
Speaker 4: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like it was like a typically femme costume,
Speaker 1: like a princess or something. It wasn't like she was
Speaker 1: like he's gonna be elsa, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's wild to have a free I think
Speaker 1: that's probably to show that this guy's like unhinged, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the pumpkin is just one of the classic costumes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and babies are always in pumpkins and looking cute. I
Speaker 2: remember the ones I really loved as a kid when
Speaker 2: the Party City catalogs would come, was like the baby's
Speaker 2: dressed as a pea pod.
Speaker 1: Oh, and I love like a little shy srawberry, Like
Speaker 1: a little baby dressed is a strawberry or a watermelon.
Speaker 2: No, the best Halloween costume of all time was when
Speaker 2: your daughter Rosie was Rosie the Riveter as a young baby.
Speaker 1: Like that was fucking cute. Yeah, she was seven months old,
Speaker 1: so cute.
Speaker 4: And we're back.
Speaker 2: So they fight about those pumpkin and they left with
Speaker 2: the baby around four a m. So then Tomorrow gets
Speaker 2: more serious with Ali and he really lets her have it,
Speaker 2: and I truly have never been attracted to any anymore.
Speaker 2: And then JK, the new Miley Cyrus video is one
Speaker 2: of the best things that's ever been made.
Speaker 1: Agree or disab doctor, Yeah, I've only seen clips, but
Speaker 1: I love it. I love that hair.
Speaker 2: You have to see it all. You have to see
Speaker 2: it all. You have to see the whole video. It's
Speaker 2: done really well. I obviously looked up the DP of
Speaker 2: it the director, like I was looking up the production company.
Speaker 4: I mean, I just thought it was cool.
Speaker 2: And I guess this was a song that she made
Speaker 2: with Pharrell for the Bankers album, and like, isn't releasing it,
Speaker 2: Like didn't release it for ten more years. I didn't
Speaker 2: read the full article of like why or what not?
Speaker 2: But it makes more sense now exciting. I also wonder
Speaker 2: if she re recorded or it's like the original stuff,
Speaker 2: but her voice has changed, So a lot of curiosity.
Speaker 2: But he's like, bitch, you said you went straight to
Speaker 2: bed and you lied, And she says they had to
Speaker 2: bring him in. Nobody was there to watch him. Tim
Speaker 2: is talking shit about Ali in the other room, and
Speaker 2: you know, she lies a lot. She tells people what
Speaker 2: they want to hear. It's not on purpose. And then
Speaker 2: so Benson's like, okay, well you tell me about the motel.
Speaker 2: Then you know you were drinking, so whatever happened like
Speaker 2: wasn't your fault, it was the alcohol. And Benson says,
Speaker 2: I don't think you left the house intending to hurt
Speaker 2: your son or whatever happened, Like I know it wasn't intentional.
Speaker 2: He starts to cry. He's like, I didn't do it,
Speaker 2: but neither did Ali. But Benson's like, you guys were
Speaker 2: arguing at the bar, like didn't Ali get upset? Maybe,
Speaker 2: and then it cuts back to Ali. Tim's explaining, well,
Speaker 2: he was in a bad mood, so she thought that
Speaker 2: having some drinks would be fun and they could really
Speaker 2: feel like they're on vacation. And Amar's like, okay, get
Speaker 2: on with it, like what happened, and he's pleading with
Speaker 2: her like help him, like please help me, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I want to go back and make it not happen.
Speaker 2: She says, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. She puts her
Speaker 2: head in her hands, and then it cuts to Tim's
Speaker 2: room and he's like, you know, Ali is smarter than me,
Speaker 2: she talks faster than me, and he just needs her
Speaker 2: to shut up. And then Benson is buttering him up right,
Speaker 2: you know, like, oh, you work so hard and she
Speaker 2: doesn't give you any peace, and he goes, that's stupid costume.
Speaker 2: He goes, would you let your son go out looking
Speaker 2: like a pumpkin? It's just so not a big deal.
Speaker 2: I like, can't. I really have never been so detached
Speaker 2: outside of like not understanding you know, like murder and
Speaker 2: all that.
Speaker 4: Like I can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I've just never I never thought about something
Speaker 2: like this, but whatever. So Nate was in the car
Speaker 2: seat and the car got stolen, like Allie said. And
Speaker 2: then Benson goes, well, you said Ali was a liar,
Speaker 2: so it doesn't matter if she's that. And then Amaro
Speaker 2: comes out with some sad news for Novak and Kragan,
Speaker 2: and basically Ali agreed that she's gonna draw map of
Speaker 2: where they buried the baby. So then they go to
Speaker 2: a beach in the Bronx. And I don't know why
Speaker 2: everyone's like doing it at the like woods, why the
Speaker 2: beach like water sand like, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I never get the beach.
Speaker 2: I don't get it, or maybe they thought it would
Speaker 2: be wash. I don't get buried at the beach.
Speaker 4: Tides.
Speaker 1: There's not as many animals that would like get rid
Speaker 1: of the body for you, Like, I don't know, it
Speaker 1: just doesn't really make sense to me.
Speaker 4: Well, also, what if one kid wants to build one hole? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 4: they're good about to get a bad surprise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, everyone is sad. You know, they find
Speaker 2: the blanket, they find the toy. So finally it's time
Speaker 2: for a Melinda Warner moment. I miss her. So basically
Speaker 2: she says, the baby's so cared for, very healthy, well nourished,
Speaker 2: well developed, no signs of abuse. He was loved, But
Speaker 2: how did he die? Hello, Melinda get to work. She
Speaker 2: doesn't know yet, but she's like, there is no physical
Speaker 2: signs of trauma. Absolutely no. I'm gonna have to see
Speaker 2: what the talk screen shows so I can figure out
Speaker 2: how he died. But they're all working on it. So
Speaker 2: Benson and Tomorrow are having a tough time with this one.
Speaker 2: He's like, whatever happened, like they did it together and
Speaker 2: she's covering for him, and Benson goes, they're not going anywhere,
Speaker 2: so why don't you go home and hug your daughter,
Speaker 2: But obviously he's not gonna do that. It's SVU. They
Speaker 2: have a work ethic like no other. So Amaro and
Speaker 2: Rollins are in there with Ali and they are done
Speaker 2: with this bitch. They're like, you tell us what happened,
Speaker 2: and Tim's like, I did not kill my son and
Speaker 2: Ali would never do it either, and they're like, but
Speaker 2: your son is dead, so tell us what happened. He's crying.
Speaker 2: He doesn't know. He wants to talk to her. They
Speaker 2: try to get Alli to pin it on Tim. She
Speaker 2: won't like someone better fucking talk. He asks for a
Speaker 2: lawyer and Finn tries to talk him out of it,
Speaker 2: and Benson lets him do it, which is like, not
Speaker 2: good for the case.
Speaker 4: You can't do that. Everything's gonna be thrown out.
Speaker 2: He said that he asked Ali to marry him when
Speaker 2: she was pregnant, and she's like, no, I don't want
Speaker 2: to do it that way. I don't want you to
Speaker 2: feel obligated, and he's like, I didn't feel that way
Speaker 2: at all. Benson's like, yeah, you love her, that's why
Speaker 2: you're gonna do the right thing.
Speaker 4: What happened?
Speaker 2: So Tim starts explaining that Nate wouldn't stop crying and
Speaker 2: he just wanted Nate to stop crying, and then like
Speaker 2: Tim is now crying, and he said that he picked
Speaker 2: up his son and shook him and Ali was screaming,
Speaker 2: but he just kept shaking the baby and then he
Speaker 2: stops crying and that's that. And to me, I'm like,
Speaker 2: why do you keep defending this man that just shook
Speaker 2: your fucking baby, Like what are you doing? And so
Speaker 2: then she's crying and she says, I did it.
Speaker 4: It was a me.
Speaker 2: Nate was crying, and you know, she's like, I just
Speaker 2: thought a bath would make him quiet down. She said
Speaker 2: she put him in the tub, she dozed off, and
Speaker 2: then when she woke up, Nate was underwater.
Speaker 4: But both of these.
Speaker 2: Would have had physical evidence, and Melinda said there wasn't any,
Speaker 2: So I really don't understand what's happening.
Speaker 4: So we're out in the meeting.
Speaker 2: With the crew and it's like what the fuck and
Speaker 2: like Benson goes, well, they're too dumb, so they're not
Speaker 2: playing us, Like she just knows.
Speaker 4: That for a fact. She's like, they're too dumb to
Speaker 4: come up with this.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on, Like are they protecting
Speaker 2: each other like one of these real Like I don't know,
Speaker 2: and no vacs, Like I don't care, I have two confessions. Great,
Speaker 2: so she goes the jury can decide, but Cragan's like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: but there's no cause of death. So that's not gonna help.
Speaker 2: We need to get the cause of death. So then
Speaker 2: we go to Melinda again and she's like, they're fucking lying.
Speaker 2: There's no evidence, like, absolutely none. They are going to
Speaker 2: examine the motel room and home and like so because
Speaker 2: there's no evidence on the body, Like, Melinda's like, we
Speaker 2: need to check this space, right, like, you know, smoking
Speaker 2: or something like in the motel or at their house.
Speaker 2: If someone was smoking, the baby would have been in
Speaker 2: higher risk of SIDS. And so that's what her gut
Speaker 2: is saying that it was just SIDS Sudden infant death syndrome.
Speaker 2: Right now, as a parent, is that something that was
Speaker 2: drilled into you in birthing class? Did hospitals tell like
Speaker 2: what do parents know about SIDS? And was it a
Speaker 2: feary you had constantly or not?
Speaker 1: No, A lot of people I know do have it,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of part of anxiety is wrapped up
Speaker 1: in just the idea that there is this fucking unknown
Speaker 1: syndrome that could just like kill a child. So that's
Speaker 1: definitely really scary. There's been a lot of talk about
Speaker 1: putting babies on their backs, like you really have to
Speaker 1: put them on their backs, and that that's like cut.
Speaker 4: Down the number of SIDS deaths Uh, But I don't.
Speaker 1: I think as far as I know, like SIDS is
Speaker 1: still completely like unexplained and it can just like happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say there are these like new technologies,
Speaker 1: Like there's this little sock called like the owlet or something,
Speaker 1: or some kind of little sock that you put on
Speaker 1: a kid that like it can feel like it's pulse
Speaker 1: and oxygen levels and stuff so that it will alert you.
Speaker 1: If it's supposed to be like an anti SIDS thing, Well,
Speaker 1: that seems like a bad idea because don't kids kick
Speaker 1: off their socks?
Speaker 4: Isn't that like what they're known for. That was a
Speaker 4: whole plot point and monsters anc.
Speaker 1: Yes, they do when they're older, but I think when
Speaker 1: they're like tiny ones, this little sock thing, it's not
Speaker 1: real sock. It's like it's it goes on their foot,
Speaker 1: but it has like belcrow Okay, okay, like it there's.
Speaker 4: A way it stays on there.
Speaker 1: But like just really quickly googling it It says that
Speaker 1: smoking during pregnancy, drugs and alcohol during pregnancy, being younger
Speaker 1: than twenty, not breastfeeding, and that sleeping the baby on
Speaker 1: their stomach, those are risk factors allegedly.
Speaker 2: Oh that probably, like yeah, the soy formula. I'm sure
Speaker 2: that's why they stuff that in there. They're they're s
Speaker 2: and they showed her smoking a cigarette. Yeah, and she
Speaker 2: is young. She is young because at one point the
Speaker 2: detectives do go like she's a baby herself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh my god, oh my god, this is all
Speaker 4: too much. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Did you see you know how France abortion is now constitutional?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: I saw one meme that was like, uh, when that
Speaker 2: bitch you hate serves so good?
Speaker 4: Oh I really liked that.
Speaker 2: But anyways, but Melinda doesn't get No one understands, like
Speaker 2: why would they confess to kill their son if it
Speaker 2: sits and there's no evidence of anything that they just
Speaker 2: said like no water in the lungs, no damage, no shaking,
Speaker 2: no nothing.
Speaker 4: And so then I guess they really do love each other.
Speaker 2: And even though he's an abusive nightmare, like he was
Speaker 2: willing to just go to jail, so there is like
Speaker 2: a really toxic I'm not promoting this relationship.
Speaker 4: But they do and some level really care about each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, but yeah, their baby died of natural clauses,
Speaker 2: and Omar I was like, no, I mean, they have
Speaker 2: to tell us what really happened because until then we
Speaker 2: will never know. Like there's got to we still need
Speaker 2: to know what happened. It's driving him crazy. And he's
Speaker 2: new to the precinct. He does have a daughter, so
Speaker 2: he is just now learning about us view what happens here,
Speaker 2: and so to him, yeah, like he needs to fucking know.
Speaker 2: It's it's affecting him. And Tim says he doesn't know
Speaker 2: what happened. He passed out. When he woke up. Ali
Speaker 2: was holding Nate on the bed and then she says
Speaker 2: Nate was fussy and wouldn't settle, and she was scared
Speaker 2: he would make Tim mad and wake him up, Like
Speaker 2: this is why it just hurts everyone, and so she
Speaker 2: decided to put him on his back, but in their bed,
Speaker 2: and they were all sleeping together and she's like, I
Speaker 2: did everything you're supposed to do. There was no covers,
Speaker 2: there was no pillows, there was nothing, and when she
Speaker 2: woke up, Nate wasn't breathing and Tim says she was
Speaker 2: rocking him and singing to him, you are my sunshine,
Speaker 2: and so he asked her what was wrong, but she
Speaker 2: didn't answer him.
Speaker 4: She just kept on singing. And she said that she was.
Speaker 2: Trying to get him to wake back up, and they
Speaker 2: didn't want to.
Speaker 4: Call for help because who would believe that. Mally says,
Speaker 4: so not what? Okay?
Speaker 2: It was her idea to do all of this, to
Speaker 2: put Nate in the cooler, to drive to a New
Speaker 2: York city to bury him. And it's really hard for
Speaker 2: her to get all this out, you know, I'm really
Speaker 2: speed reading it, but it takes her a minute. And
Speaker 2: she says, Tim left the car under the bridge. She
Speaker 2: told the cops the baby was taken. She felt like
Speaker 2: New York City, bad things happen all the time, so
Speaker 2: it wouldn't matter. And then Almarro goes, it wasn't like
Speaker 2: you did nothing wrong. It was sids and she goes,
Speaker 2: what and he explains, sometimes babies they just die, and
Speaker 2: she says, you know, like the three of them in
Speaker 2: the bed together, it wasn't perfect, but it was so
Speaker 2: good and she was so happy. And she's like, why
Speaker 2: why us? And she asks with her hand over her mouth,
Speaker 2: and Tomorrow is getting really sad, and she says, when
Speaker 2: you woke me up, before, I was dreaming Nate was dead.
Speaker 2: So when she woke up, she thought it was just
Speaker 2: a nightmare and that he was just like asleep and
Speaker 2: everything was fine, and then she remembered and she asked
Speaker 2: to talk to Tim, and finally they let them meet.
Speaker 4: Tim walks into her room.
Speaker 2: They hug and they cry, and so then Benson, Tomorrow, Finn,
Speaker 2: Rollin's Craigan, they're all watching, you know, with a spy window,
Speaker 2: and Craigan goes, now what, and Benson goes let them go,
Speaker 2: and the rest of them there's a little chatter, you know,
Speaker 2: like what they put the city through, and then Tomorrow goes,
Speaker 2: don't worry, they're going to be paying for this forever,
Speaker 2: and she says, just send them home. And it's like,
Speaker 2: is Craigan not in charge?
Speaker 4: The fact that.
Speaker 2: Benson is making these decisions while he's sitting right there.
Speaker 2: But it ends on a close up of Benson and Tomorrow,
Speaker 2: and it's like quite sexy after like a really sad sad.
Speaker 2: It's sad, yeah, And if we didn't poor people badly,
Speaker 2: maybe they could have called the cops right away, you know.
Speaker 4: But yeah, but then it is scarier. Baby is dead.
Speaker 4: Of course you think it's your fault. I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't know. This is like a fucked episode.
Speaker 2: I'm glad no crimes are committed, but I guess playing
Speaker 2: with the corpses, you can't like take a dead person
Speaker 2: and do whatever they want with them. But they do
Speaker 2: deserve to just leave, go back to Buffalo, and because
Speaker 2: I don't think they're breaking up now though, but maybe
Speaker 2: he'll work on his anger issues.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I don't know, because he or he'll get worse,
Speaker 1: or he'll hold it to her forever and go. I
Speaker 1: was willing to go to jail for you. I lied
Speaker 1: to the cops for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah. It's not good.
Speaker 2: It's like they make us seem like, oh wow, they
Speaker 2: do love each other, it's true love. They're embracing, they're
Speaker 2: crying together, and it's like she is on edge and
Speaker 2: she like the reason she put him in the bed
Speaker 2: even was because and SIDS could have happened in the crib,
Speaker 2: what you know, but yeah, it was so he wouldn't
Speaker 2: wake up, so so Tim wouldn't wake up, so Tim
Speaker 2: wouldn't be in a bad mood. So it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: his energy does affect everything.
Speaker 4: You know, No, and that is like a form of abuse.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, be like so on edge all the time that
Speaker 1: everyone around you has to alter their behavior, you know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's how I kept my family on line.
Speaker 2: How do you think I got my way? Fear baby?
Speaker 2: You scream a few times and everyone wants to keep
Speaker 2: you at bay.
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh my god, so funny. Okay, So this episode
Speaker 1: is based pretty closely on the story of Joseph Bales
Speaker 1: and Helen LeMay. Joseph age thirty three Helen age thirty
Speaker 1: one at the time of this were from a small
Speaker 1: village in Quebec. Neighbors said they were weird, like they
Speaker 1: were Seventh day Adventists. I don't really know what that
Speaker 1: religion is. They were strict vegetarians. The guy did odd jobs.
Speaker 1: They avoided visitors, like a neighbor. There's like a neighbor
Speaker 1: in all these interviews, being like I went to visit
Speaker 1: them and they like wouldn't let me come inside. They
Speaker 1: just made me talk to them on the porch, like
Speaker 1: they didn't allow toys, and they planned to homeschool their children.
Speaker 1: So Joseph was apparently an unemployed handyman. And Helene they
Speaker 1: are a French Canadian. So I'm saying her name the
Speaker 1: way I think you say it. Ellen, I guess was
Speaker 1: said to have had several university degrees in psychology but
Speaker 1: taught correspondence classes to earn money.
Speaker 4: But they did not have money. They were struggling financially,
Speaker 4: so in.
Speaker 1: April of nineteen ninety four, they visited New York City
Speaker 1: with their four year old daughter, Priscil and their ten
Speaker 1: week old daughter, Mugay, and they checked into a hotel
Speaker 1: on thirty first Street. Later, they called police and said
Speaker 1: that Mugay had disappeared from a bench in Central Park
Speaker 1: while her father had dozed off.
Speaker 2: All this name is really making me laugh. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I could continue with a straight face.
Speaker 1: Mugay Magay. I looked it up. How to pronounce it.
Speaker 1: It's moogay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm sure it's mugay. But it is funny. Yeah,
Speaker 2: every time you say it. Yeah, I'm not taking the
Speaker 2: crime and the story seriously enough because I am giggling.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: So they said that the dad dozed off and the
Speaker 1: baby disappeared, but they didn't call the cops for eighteen hours,
Speaker 1: and they kind of tried to blame not speaking English
Speaker 1: on why they didn't call the cops. But when they
Speaker 1: finally got the cops on the line, it was a
Speaker 1: full man hunt, Like they searched the lake with scuba divers,
Speaker 1: they had huge numbers of police searching for her by air,
Speaker 1: on foot, dogs, like the whole thing. But the police
Speaker 1: were suspicious. They were like, why'd you wait eighteen hours?
Speaker 1: Like it's kind of like with this episode. It was
Speaker 1: like there was a lot of what happened, and then
Speaker 1: we got there and the room wasn't ready or whatever.
Speaker 1: So after they were questioned for a while at my
Speaker 1: old precinct on the Upper West Side, the twentieth precinct
Speaker 1: on West eighty second, the couple's story unraveled very quickly.
Speaker 1: So in reality, much like in the episode, Mugay had
Speaker 1: never traveled with them from Quebec. They had found her
Speaker 1: dead in her crib, and another fact came to light
Speaker 1: as well in the questioning was that they had been
Speaker 1: accused of abusing a foster child they'd taken in the
Speaker 1: year before, who was described in the stories I read
Speaker 1: as you know, severely disabled, but the child had presented
Speaker 1: bruising and seemed melnourished or something, and so that child
Speaker 1: had been removed from the home. So when they found Mugay,
Speaker 1: you know, unresponsive in the crib, they panicked that they'd
Speaker 1: be charged because now they have this sort of blight
Speaker 1: on their record of this foster child. So they decided
Speaker 1: to drive four hundred miles to New York City and
Speaker 1: set up this ruse because they thought that maybe this
Speaker 1: entire thing would just fold into the chaos and crime
Speaker 1: of New York City. And it's nineteen ninety four, so
Speaker 1: New York is being cleaned up, I'd say at that time.
Speaker 1: It's not like it's the eighties, and this is so sad.
Speaker 1: They had a doll with them the entire time that
Speaker 1: they had wrapped up to convince the four year old.
Speaker 1: They sister was with them, so that the four year
Speaker 1: old wouldn't be like, where's Mugay. So the couple primarily
Speaker 1: spoke French and like I said, tried to use the
Speaker 1: language barrier to sort of obfuscate and uphold this hopes
Speaker 1: at the beginning. But then at one point I read
Speaker 1: one of the cops asked, does anyone want ice cream?
Speaker 1: And little Priscill goes, yes, I want ice cream in English.
Speaker 1: So they spoke well enough and the girl fucking blew
Speaker 1: their cover.
Speaker 2: That's so funny because like it's such a classic thing
Speaker 2: now with the Internet, I know other people have done that.
Speaker 2: But like, my dad would make me lie about my
Speaker 2: age to get free shit, and I would always be like,
Speaker 2: I'm actually five, Like yeah, and he'd be like, I'm
Speaker 2: your dad. Let me lie. Who cares what the stranger
Speaker 2: is doing? Like have my bat That's so funny. Yeah,
Speaker 2: He's like, who gives a fuck about this person? If
Speaker 2: I'm lying, just like trust me, back me up. And
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, yeah, so that was fun. But
Speaker 2: I do remember like fucking up.
Speaker 4: You know what else?
Speaker 2: Say, hey, did your parents do this when you'd be
Speaker 2: waiting in the grocery storeline and then they would run
Speaker 2: to grab something and then you didn't just have to
Speaker 2: be there in the panic that ensued. That's another experience
Speaker 2: that I attributed it to, just like my dad being
Speaker 2: like foreign and annoying, and then you know, with the
Speaker 2: Internet and knowing people, you realize that's a common anxiety.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I remember that that is scary.
Speaker 1: But literally this was just a conversation in the mom
Speaker 1: group that I'm in because somebody was like, how easy
Speaker 1: is it to get your just turned four year old
Speaker 1: in and get them to like bly and say that
Speaker 1: they're three so that they can get into Disney for free,
Speaker 1: And all these people were like, I don't know, watch
Speaker 1: out because if they ask the kid, the kid will say.
Speaker 4: They're real age.
Speaker 1: But then people were saying, it's actually a Disney rule
Speaker 1: that they're not allowed to ask the kid. So people
Speaker 1: were like, put the baby in the stroller, cover his
Speaker 1: body with a like cover lower half of a blanket
Speaker 1: so they can't tell how tall they are, and then
Speaker 1: just cruise on through and you can kind of like
Speaker 1: sneak your kids in when they're close to free age.
Speaker 2: I do like that Disney has a policy don't ask
Speaker 2: the kid, because it's like, it makes me feel Disney
Speaker 2: execs have a little bit of a heart where it's like,
Speaker 2: if someone's trying to sneak in a kid, let them
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little humanity.
Speaker 2: Well, because you know, the rule too that I've learned
Speaker 2: from the internet is the characters they can never let
Speaker 2: go of a hug. First, Oh, the kid has to
Speaker 2: let go first, that's so cute.
Speaker 4: It is cute.
Speaker 2: And then I always I watched the ones where like
Speaker 2: the kids really need the hug and like stand for a.
Speaker 4: While and buy, oh, oh my gosh, it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be me very soon. I want to be there.
Speaker 2: But I just watched one this morning. It was a
Speaker 2: little kid dressed like a penguin and it was a
Speaker 2: Mary Poppins and Dick Van.
Speaker 4: Dyke Is that his name, It's.
Speaker 2: Dick Van Dyke, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't believe this little kid watched Mary Poppins. But okay,
Speaker 2: you know whatever your parents show you. But I didn't
Speaker 2: even know Mary Poppins was like out Poppin' at Disneyland,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like I just didn't know me neither.
Speaker 2: But I watched that one, and I've just watched and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're not supposed to let go. So besides the money
Speaker 2: gouging and all the you know, all of the bad stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, the Nazi things whatever, there is a magic
Speaker 2: for children underneath.
Speaker 4: There is the magic of the hug.
Speaker 2: There is a care and at chill, like that's like
Speaker 2: a way to be like, don't ask the kids if
Speaker 2: they're trying to lie and let them lie.
Speaker 1: Like well, also like Oscar talks very well and I
Speaker 1: ask him how old are you?
Speaker 4: And he goes good, like he messes with me.
Speaker 1: He won't say how old he is, and then when
Speaker 1: people ask him, he'll go two and then I'll go three,
Speaker 1: like he'll just change it. So it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you can't trust these scal though at three almost four,
Speaker 1: you should know. But anyway, eventually this couple admitted to everything,
Speaker 1: but they also admitted that Moogay had died over a
Speaker 1: week earlier. Like Initially the story was we found her
Speaker 1: dead and then we drove the next day to New York,
Speaker 1: but then they found out that she died almost ten
Speaker 1: days earlier, and so much like in the episode, they
Speaker 1: used a map drawn by Joseph and Helen, and the
Speaker 1: authorities found ten week old Mugay bales LeMay near Eastman,
Speaker 1: twenty miles north of the Vermont border, in a snowdrift
Speaker 1: by the side of the highway. Horrible and she had
Speaker 1: been in the woods for a week, but her body
Speaker 1: had been preserved by the cold, and the autopsy performed
Speaker 1: in Montreal seemed to uphold their story that there was
Speaker 1: no kind of neglect or injury to the child, and
Speaker 1: New York planned on dropping the charge of filing a
Speaker 1: false report. The couple could have been charged with illegally
Speaker 1: disposing a body, which is punishable by up to five
Speaker 1: years in prison in Canada, or face other charges after
Speaker 1: the autopsy. But as far as what I was reading,
Speaker 1: the autopsy showed that the child had been well taken
Speaker 1: care of. And they also did during all of this,
Speaker 1: lose custody of Priscill, who was sent back to Canada
Speaker 1: and was with social services while they were awaiting autopsy
Speaker 1: and charges and everything. But then this is so wild,
Speaker 1: Like I cannot find a single article about this after
Speaker 1: April of nineteen ninety four, Like after this happened.
Speaker 2: And the judge sealed it or something or what, you
Speaker 2: can't even do a lock up.
Speaker 1: Well, because it's Canada too, right. I was googling the
Speaker 1: parents separately. I googled Priscill, I googled the baby's name alone.
Speaker 1: I was googling. I went to google dot Ca to
Speaker 1: see if maybe Canada had different search results, Like I could.
Speaker 4: Not find a thing.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming they didn't get charged, and so the whole
Speaker 1: thing kind of just disappeared and like they're not going
Speaker 1: to cover it if there's no charge in Canada, and
Speaker 1: then in the US they're like, well, we gave them
Speaker 1: back to Canada, so what are we going to do?
Speaker 1: So I have no idea. I'm assuming they probably got
Speaker 1: purcealed back as well, but.
Speaker 4: I really don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything after a bunch of articles that
Speaker 1: I have in my sources about like hoax, a couple,
Speaker 1: baby is found, you know whatever, but then nothing damn
Speaker 1: so kind of nuts. So if you know anything else
Speaker 1: about this case, because I know we have a lot
Speaker 1: of Canadians, but I.
Speaker 4: Really did try so hard.
Speaker 1: I was googling what are popular search engines in Canada
Speaker 1: and it was like Google is the most popular.
Speaker 4: Like I was like, maybe there's some other. I was
Speaker 4: trying to put it in French.
Speaker 1: I was like putting things in French to see Yahoo.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm assuming that they just sent
Speaker 1: them back and said, you know, autopsy proofs that your
Speaker 1: story is correct, and they didn't want to hurt these
Speaker 1: people more by charging them with illegal like body but
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a similar story in the sense
Speaker 1: that if they wish they could have just gone to
Speaker 1: the authorities and not been scared that they were going
Speaker 1: to get charged. But I don't really know what It
Speaker 1: was hard to even find what they were accused of with.
Speaker 4: The foster child.
Speaker 1: It just said a foster child had been removed from
Speaker 1: their care, but they didn't get any legal There was
Speaker 1: no legal charges or anything brought up. But I think
Speaker 1: it probably made them gunshy about the system.
Speaker 4: So that's that.
Speaker 1: A short little crime, but it seems pretty closely based
Speaker 1: even though it happened. Oh my gosh, how many years
Speaker 1: before this episode came out, like seventeen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that.
Speaker 1: And we don't have a guest for today's episode, so
Speaker 1: let's just dive right into that post mortem. Baby, Okay,
Speaker 1: no guests, so let's just dive straight into the post mortem.
Speaker 4: Good episode.
Speaker 2: Listen, you're not going to be smarter than Olivia Benson, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're doing. I know Amarro's new
Speaker 2: to the task force, but you're not getting past them.
Speaker 2: But that's what's funny. We're always like cops are stupid,
Speaker 2: but then it's also like you might not be able
Speaker 2: to get away with the crime either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we also are also like don't talk to cops.
Speaker 1: Cops are like, cops aren't good. And then these people
Speaker 1: kind of tried to like create their own alternative instead
Speaker 1: of just calling the cops and saying, hey, our kid
Speaker 1: didn't wake up, like and because they thought that they
Speaker 1: in both situations, in the real situation and the episode situation,
Speaker 1: they were worried they wouldn't be believed.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Last week I was talking about how Philly has all
Speaker 2: these fucked up crimes. There was the Philly first like
Speaker 2: female serial killer killed eight of her kids were dead.
Speaker 2: The funny question he was like, when do you think
Speaker 2: you'd become suspicious? I'm like, third kid dead, I'd be like,
Speaker 2: this is not something's going on, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I don't understand how eight kids were full and she
Speaker 2: never served time for it or anything. I mean unless
Speaker 2: it was back like hundreds of years ago when it
Speaker 2: was like tuberculosis was like killing every kid.
Speaker 4: That's wild.
Speaker 1: Anyway, this episode, I mean, it's a real twist attorney
Speaker 1: one because you don't.
Speaker 4: Know, oh what they did.
Speaker 2: And then like, but the guy also seems bad, like no, honey,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight, Oh my god, what Oh no, that's
Speaker 2: when she finally confessed my serious deaths of her babies
Speaker 2: in the nineteen fifties and sixties.
Speaker 4: Still that's too recent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the mom oh my god, the fucking article
Speaker 2: is cradle to grave. Okay, oh my god, I'm telling
Speaker 2: you Philly. Yeah, No, we can't. We can't mix with
Speaker 2: this Philly shit right now. No, but we'll probably cover
Speaker 2: it next week.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just thought this episode, like, I felt that I
Speaker 1: felt sad for Lisa Joyce's character because she had this
Speaker 1: like off the Rail's sort of unhinged boyfriend who only
Speaker 1: she can calm down, and then they have this baby,
Speaker 1: and like obviously a huge tragedy comes to her and
Speaker 1: she feels like it feels like we're just watching somebody
Speaker 1: in the throes of PTSD. Like the entire episode, because she,
Speaker 1: like I think, loved her kid and was you know,
Speaker 1: is just literally like sleepwalking. It felt like like she
Speaker 1: was in a dream where she thought it was happening
Speaker 1: and then she woke up and realized it was really,
Speaker 1: you know, so it was you know, good performance.
Speaker 4: Wish she would have come on the BA. This is
Speaker 4: just something funny.
Speaker 2: I have a friend from my past that's like very
Speaker 2: very beautiful. I don't know how it came up, but
Speaker 2: I was like talking to my friend, I'm like, you
Speaker 2: need to see her husband. He is like not hot
Speaker 2: at all, Like it's just wild. And then when I
Speaker 2: went to her page, husband wiped. There is not one
Speaker 2: photo of the husband. I'm like, oh, they are clearly
Speaker 2: getting divorced. And it's like, that's how it happens. And
Speaker 2: then our friend Jared Freed posted this story and it
Speaker 2: was so funny to me, and it was like the
Speaker 2: social media phases of when you get dumped and it
Speaker 2: is wiping, but then it's like social media break. You
Speaker 2: don't see them for weeks, and then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden they come back and it's like a little quote
Speaker 2: about getting back up and knowing yourself, and then it's
Speaker 2: you know, Jim selfies suddenly, and then it's a trip
Speaker 2: and it's like and then he posted this and I
Speaker 2: took a screenshot of it and he goes, why I
Speaker 2: go cause it made me laugh, and then he wrote
Speaker 2: he was saying, then the final stage is when they
Speaker 2: post a cover of the Taylor's Swift album where she
Speaker 2: has a French braid. I just like loved it so much,
Speaker 2: but I was like, I just like the use of
Speaker 2: French braid and the cover which is ever more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, I got it. I got it.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was so funny. But it is
Speaker 2: like social media. I don't know if people are trying
Speaker 2: to be cheeky or not, but that's how I always
Speaker 2: find out. Like even this guy, one of his exes,
Speaker 2: I messaged him, I'm like, hey, is everything going okay?
Speaker 2: He goes, we actually broke up, like you know, we
Speaker 2: needed to talk about it. Well, it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: knew it. She was posting fucking jim selfies. I knew exactly.
Speaker 2: You guys broke up. You don't have to say anything
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: Sometimes if I'm like, I haven't seen them post with
Speaker 1: each other in a while, and you just like go
Speaker 1: and look and like it's all the stuff's gone. Because
Speaker 1: you were about to say how so and so, but
Speaker 1: you're like, no, I'm not going to because it's it's
Speaker 1: they're gone.
Speaker 4: They're they vanished.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're taking lovely because we have another friend
Speaker 2: and I got a text going check out the Instagram
Speaker 2: they broke up and it's me ediately as she just
Speaker 2: ran the half marathon, she took a trip to Iceland.
Speaker 4: It's like, honey is nursing a breakup? You know what
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I don't know. I was gonna say,
Speaker 2: that's why you gotta be careful what you post. But
Speaker 2: please don't. I want to see it all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, feel free start doing some blatant like
Speaker 1: just scorched earth removals of your exes so we can know.
Speaker 4: All right, what would sister Peg? Do you know?
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Speaker 1: information about SIDS, which is known as sudden infant death syndrome,
Speaker 1: which is what it seems both of the children, both
Speaker 1: in the episode and in the real life crime of
Speaker 1: this Today's podcastp suffered from and you can learn more
Speaker 1: about it on the CDC's website at www dot CDC
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Speaker 1: and unexpected death of a baby less than one year
Speaker 1: old and in which the cause was not obvious before investigation. Tragically,
Speaker 1: about thirty four hundred babies in the US dies suddenly
Speaker 1: unexpectedly every year, so there is not a ton known
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