WEBVTT - Season Finale: Pride & Power

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually I show up really happy and excited, but I

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<v Speaker 2>am not feeling those feelings today.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little blue.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, why is it because it's a super moon and

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<v Speaker 3>lunar eclipse today?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I kind of feel that too.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yes, highly likely, but it's beacause today is

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<v Speaker 2>our season finale. No, you guys, for the past thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five episodes thirty five years old, I know, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have been diving deep into the highs and the

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<v Speaker 2>lows of some of the biggest LATINX stars on the planet, icons.

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<v Speaker 4>That inspire us. I mean we look up to.

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<v Speaker 3>Them, we love them, we hate them, we love to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about them. I mean it is truly, it's been

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<v Speaker 3>a journey.

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<v Speaker 1>It has and it's a labor of love.

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<v Speaker 2>Each of these episodes, you guys, takes hours and hours

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<v Speaker 2>and hours research and production and recording and conversations and

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<v Speaker 2>arguments and fights. I mean we don't okay, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>actually fight, but we do have heated discussions.

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<v Speaker 4>We do.

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<v Speaker 1>And today our season two journey is coming to an end.

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<v Speaker 3>But we are not doing all this recapping and season

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<v Speaker 3>finale ng alone.

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<v Speaker 4>We have here one of the best because that is

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<v Speaker 4>what we deserve and.

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<v Speaker 1>That is what we will always deliver to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Today with Us is a Tania Garcia.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Lillianavosquez.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm Joseph Carrio and this is Becoming an Icon.

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<v Speaker 2>A weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on

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<v Speaker 2>how today's most famous latinv stars have shaped pop culture.

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<v Speaker 4>And given the world some extra level.

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<v Speaker 1>Sit back and get comfortable.

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<v Speaker 3>Because we are going in the only way we know

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<v Speaker 3>how with Buena's via with Us, when Visas and a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of opinions as we relive their greatest achievements on

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<v Speaker 2>our journey to find out what makes them so iconic.

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<v Speaker 2>Tanya Garcia is the associate music editor at Variety based

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<v Speaker 2>here in Los Angeles. She writes them edits music news

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<v Speaker 2>features and has a specialization in Latin entertainment. So naturally,

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<v Speaker 2>she is the perfect guest for our season finale.

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph, It's time. It's time.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, Tanya is just super cool and she is here

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<v Speaker 2>to share all of her knowledge, spill the tea, and

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<v Speaker 2>just join the party that is Becoming an Icon.

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<v Speaker 1>So Tanya, welcome to Becoming an Icon.

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<v Speaker 2>We are so excited to get into all of season

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<v Speaker 2>two with you.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome, welcome, welcome wagon.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my gosh, thank you guys for having me. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>so excited to be celebrating your season finale today. I

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<v Speaker 5>feel so honored. I feel like the biggest specialist guest ever.

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<v Speaker 5>So thank you so so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that is the energy we like to start with.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know that you've listened. Now, you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to say that you listen to all the episodes, but

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<v Speaker 2>I know that you have listened to many of our episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there an episode or an icon that personally stands

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<v Speaker 2>out in your mind from this season?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, my gosh, like so many of them. I just

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<v Speaker 5>recently was listening to the Mana episode because I was

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<v Speaker 5>actually like, Mana was in the news this week, so

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<v Speaker 5>I was like going back and listening to it because

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't know like much of Mana's history and their story,

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<v Speaker 5>and so I found out so many other interesting things.

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<v Speaker 5>But of course I have a connection to a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of the icons that you guys covered. I'm Mexican American,

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<v Speaker 5>so I grew up listening to like Kuangabriel Nabo, like

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<v Speaker 5>all of these like icons, divas and you know, people

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<v Speaker 5>that are ingrained in my memory forever. Also Vicenti. This

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<v Speaker 5>is a huge one for me. Obviously, he's like emblematic

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<v Speaker 5>of Mexican culture, so it was really interesting to kind

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<v Speaker 5>of dive deeper into some of these historical aspects.

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<v Speaker 4>Of these artists.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, and what's amazing about everyone that you've

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<v Speaker 2>named is, you know, we really focus this series on

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the icons that are really shaping the LATINX scene,

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<v Speaker 2>that shaped it in the past, are shaping it currently,

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<v Speaker 2>and also about the future of this incredible space, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and you mentioned so many, but also we do not discriminate,

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<v Speaker 2>like we talk about everyone like you can be old,

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<v Speaker 2>you can be young, you can have some controversy, you

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<v Speaker 2>can have lots of drama.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually prefer the drama.

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<v Speaker 4>Drama.

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<v Speaker 1>We live for the drama, like the morte the better.

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<v Speaker 2>But like you know, we've had Wanga Willi Colonne, right,

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<v Speaker 2>We've had Carlos Santana obviously, and then all of these

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<v Speaker 2>icons really kind of hold their own amongst each other.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's also really special I think about this particular

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<v Speaker 2>show is that we also spend some time talking about

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<v Speaker 2>icons in the making, right, the icons that maybe are

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<v Speaker 2>not iconic today, but that you know, in ten years

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<v Speaker 2>twelve years, twenty years, there's going to be a becoming

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<v Speaker 2>an icon about Camilla Cabello and Carol g and Nata

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<v Speaker 2>and for Sarahida. Right, So for you, I know you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned your background. Do you have any deep personal connection

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<v Speaker 2>to any of these specific artists, Like did one of

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<v Speaker 2>them really shape your love and passion for music as

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<v Speaker 2>you were growing up?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, for sure. It's interesting because growing up my mom

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<v Speaker 5>was like very much in the pop world, and then

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<v Speaker 5>my dad was like constantly listening to Corridos. So for

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<v Speaker 5>me again going back to be SENTI f and then

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<v Speaker 5>this he was like the emblem of pride in Mexican culture.

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<v Speaker 5>And every time I knew from the start like that

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<v Speaker 5>Vicente was an icon because just the way that they

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<v Speaker 5>presented him, the way that he stress, the way that

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<v Speaker 5>he his voice to me was synonymous with Mexican pride,

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<v Speaker 5>just how strong his voice was. And so I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>obviously he was always around playing in my house. And

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<v Speaker 5>then flipping over to my mom. She was always like

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<v Speaker 5>a Romantica's girl and very much into the pop world,

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<v Speaker 5>and so I kind of picked up her love for

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<v Speaker 5>John Ceastian, for Penge for and Dahlia especially, I think

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<v Speaker 5>for me because both of our names start with the thh.

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<v Speaker 4>That's that's already just too much perfect?

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<v Speaker 5>And she and then I would watch her in the

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<v Speaker 5>novelas and I was like, that is the ultimate Barbie Doll.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I was like, yes, with Barbie's just her outfits,

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<v Speaker 5>the way that she was so animated on stage, like

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<v Speaker 5>just everything about her enamored me as a little girl.

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<v Speaker 5>And I just found like the t connections, so like,

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<v Speaker 5>I feel so special.

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<v Speaker 4>You know that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you guys are basically the same personally.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Joseph, what about you?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I know that you know, as similar as you

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<v Speaker 2>and I are, we're also so different in the music

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of dominated our homes and the music that

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<v Speaker 2>we listened to now as like adults, Like, is there

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<v Speaker 2>anyone icon that we covered that was either always your

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<v Speaker 2>tried and true favorite or somebody that became an unexpected

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<v Speaker 2>favorite for you?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, learning a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't even pinpoint one because I will say, obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>this whole list, we we all grew up with all

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<v Speaker 3>of these people, but learning, I feel like they are.

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<v Speaker 3>What I learned the most out of everybody is that

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<v Speaker 3>they all started very simple, and they weren't ever really

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<v Speaker 3>in a rush until it just all happened, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was just their determination. And I feel like that kind

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<v Speaker 3>of speaks true to like as Latinos, where just we

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<v Speaker 3>just keep kind of going. And I feel like that's

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<v Speaker 3>what I feel like I'm getting from everyone here. They

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<v Speaker 3>just didn't stop, they didn't give up. It wasn't just

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<v Speaker 3>because the door closed, like hoes were going around through

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<v Speaker 3>the side, up the wing, and so I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>it's just the determination of all of them that I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just like, I got to keep going.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well I think that word kind of like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's tenacity or unstoppable. I mean, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>really speaks to Latinos as a culture. And I hate to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like define us as a monolith, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you're Cuban or Peruvian or Mexican, you know, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>you are Colombiana. Like I do think that we are

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<v Speaker 2>kind of born with that spirit that's like, yo, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be stopped. And think about how many

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<v Speaker 2>times like the themes were stopped, right, like, how many

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<v Speaker 2>times they were stopped. Think about Wanga, like at every

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<v Speaker 2>turn it was like no, sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>Declined Celia being like she could never go back, like

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<v Speaker 3>and she had a cup of her own, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the latira from Cuba for herself. Like it's all of

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<v Speaker 3>this stuff, and they always just wanted to remain true

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<v Speaker 3>to themselves, even now with like, you know, the Corridos

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<v Speaker 3>Tombalos kids. I'm going to call them that because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>fucking old as fuck man, and it's just like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they've changed it, but it's still so true to the sound,

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<v Speaker 3>but they look different. It's it's just it's fascinating. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's all I'm gonna say.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think fascinating is the perfect way to summarize

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<v Speaker 2>what we do on this show. And I hope that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when you guys listen, you feel that way too,

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<v Speaker 2>because you might know the music, but you likely don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the icon, right, And that's why this podcast is

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<v Speaker 2>so fun because it teaches you so much. Like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that thought I was really familiar with one Gabie,

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<v Speaker 2>like he was like my grandmother's favorite artist.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I knew everything.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew nothing because I really only knew the version

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<v Speaker 2>of him that my grandmother shared with me, or the

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<v Speaker 2>version that I saw on television. But what we do

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<v Speaker 2>is go so deep into their lives to really tell

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<v Speaker 2>you like the ups, the downs, the juice, the tea,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's incredible to really get to know them as

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<v Speaker 2>people before they were icons and then understand what truly

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<v Speaker 2>does make them iconic because oftentimes, like Joseph said, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just the music, it's the person at the center of.

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<v Speaker 1>It all, right, totally. Now, one of the things.

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<v Speaker 2>That I feel like we always touch on is like

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<v Speaker 2>what are.

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<v Speaker 1>These connections that all of these icons have?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what's so fun to do and these kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like season finale episodes to say, Okay, how are

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<v Speaker 2>they connected?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So, like one thing that I keep thinking about with

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<v Speaker 2>all of these icons specifically, I would say, like Santana

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<v Speaker 2>and Selena, is like it was so important to get

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<v Speaker 2>the seal of approval of the audiences from their home country, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like there's always this idea of you're never

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<v Speaker 2>enough or I said it earlier, I said me that key,

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<v Speaker 2>me that yeah, right, and all of us right are

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<v Speaker 2>born here, but at the same time, we have so

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<v Speaker 2>much pride and love for our country and for our culture.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like for them born here but still really

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<v Speaker 2>really wanted to capture the love of those audiences at home.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, How is it?

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<v Speaker 2>So, I guess, how is it essential for these artists

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to have success not just in the US,

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<v Speaker 2>but to have success in the countries that they represent,

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<v Speaker 2>Like why do they need to feel so connected to

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<v Speaker 2>their culture in that way as musicians?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my gosh, that's a really big question. I think

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<v Speaker 5>it boils down to, like when we look at musicians,

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<v Speaker 5>when we look at celebrities really in general, we want

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<v Speaker 5>to feel a sense of relatability and a sense of

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<v Speaker 5>humility coming from them. I think the moment that that

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<v Speaker 5>stops happening, it you kind of lose your audience in

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<v Speaker 5>a sense. And so I think, especially for Latinos, it's

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<v Speaker 5>difficult for us to pinpoint all of our backgrounds, where

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<v Speaker 5>we come from and all of these things, because again,

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<v Speaker 5>we are a melting pot of languages and cultural references,

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<v Speaker 5>of music, of all of these things. And so I

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<v Speaker 5>think understanding that you know, Latinos come in a white

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<v Speaker 5>spectrum and that we are we can be multiple things

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<v Speaker 5>that once is essential to the art, street, is essential

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<v Speaker 5>to the storytelling, is essential to the instruments, and so yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean nowadays, I'm thinking about musicamihikana specifically like Haave

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<v Speaker 5>and for sada Hida and all of these people who

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<v Speaker 5>are really just the definition of a melting pot of

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<v Speaker 5>cultures and of pride. Honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think you get to kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>second thing that kind of ties all of these groups

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<v Speaker 2>together is this idea of musical crossroads.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not linear, it's like all of these different roads

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<v Speaker 2>converging together. And that really actually makes the case for

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of like border towns, right, and that truly

0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.560
<v Speaker 2>is symbolic of like having one foot in one country

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<v Speaker 2>and one.

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<v Speaker 1>Foot in the other.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I grew up in Fort Worth, Texas

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like what I call like northern Mexico, but

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<v Speaker 2>my family is like right on the border del Rio Nacunya, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I'm very familiar with what it is to

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<v Speaker 2>be on the border. And we think about Selina Santana

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<v Speaker 2>therez v Norte, right, Like whatder girls? I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they are, you know, like whether it's the Wana

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<v Speaker 2>or MEXICALI you know, do you think that this is

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<v Speaker 2>still a thing because a lot of these crosswords and

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<v Speaker 2>border towns come out through the lyrics, come out through

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<v Speaker 2>the instruments, through the musicality, like especially here, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in South California, Like there is something happening here,

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<v Speaker 2>like you touched on it with Havy a little bit there,

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<v Speaker 2>like all of these new like modern gorridos, Like do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that this new generation is influenced in the

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<v Speaker 2>same way but that duality, by that existence of growing

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<v Speaker 2>up on the border between wherever that is.

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<v Speaker 5>For you A thousand million a percent, Yes, I think,

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<v Speaker 5>you know. One of the stats that I remember writing

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<v Speaker 5>at the top of this year, when we were looking

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<v Speaker 5>at twenty twenty three, was that Latin music was like

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<v Speaker 5>one of the fastest growing subgenres on streaming. So I

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<v Speaker 5>think that the reason that that's happening is because of

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<v Speaker 5>the popularity of all of these sub jos. Is a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of these kids are kind of mixing a bunch

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<v Speaker 5>of these sounds together and it's becoming relatable because the

0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.040
<v Speaker 5>kids are growing up here and are listening to it,

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<v Speaker 5>and so they relate to the sort of duality that's

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<v Speaker 5>coming across in this music. I will come back to

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<v Speaker 5>the Southern California thing, but I did want to mention

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<v Speaker 5>because I know you just said that you guys are

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<v Speaker 5>in Texas. I was watching a documentary that just came

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<v Speaker 5>out on Netflix called Going Varsity and Madiaci. Have you

0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:22.760
<v Speaker 5>guys heard of it?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh God, Oh, Joseph, please, I'm going to watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph and listeners, y'all have to watch this documentary.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, it's a must watch. It's basically just about how

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<v Speaker 5>there's all of these like small communities across high schools

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<v Speaker 5>in the United States, but more specifically in Texas and

0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:46.240
<v Speaker 5>those border towns that have madiachi varsity madiachi teams. They

0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.800
<v Speaker 5>go and they compete in national competitions, and it's the

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<v Speaker 5>most incredible thing to see because these kids like are

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<v Speaker 5>so impassionate about madiachi music, which is probably like equivalent

0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:01.200
<v Speaker 5>to classical music. It's that old, it's that tradition, and

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<v Speaker 5>they're just breathing this new life into it and it's

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<v Speaker 5>so exciting to watch. And it's like has a kind

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<v Speaker 5>of like it's a documentary, so it has a little

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<v Speaker 5>bit of like a reality TV aspect to it, like

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<v Speaker 5>it's a little bit of drama.

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<v Speaker 4>We kind of like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I just need to let it be known that I

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<v Speaker 3>played the guitar Rohne for three years from third grade

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<v Speaker 3>to the sixth grade. I am a mariachi boy. Number one,

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<v Speaker 3>number two. I'm going to say, I think that's so

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<v Speaker 3>true to what you're saying because also, you know, in

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<v Speaker 3>Middle America where there are Latinos who their family migrators

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<v Speaker 3>from wherever and now they find themselves stuck, or people

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<v Speaker 3>who are the Yono Saba kids, it's yon Sabo kids.

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<v Speaker 3>They are also just getting to experience their culture in

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<v Speaker 3>a way that like it sounds so traditional, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>still so fucking cool.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's why I think more people are coming to it,

0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.000
<v Speaker 3>because it's like, oh, you're half mech Sican or your

0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:52.520
<v Speaker 3>three quarters mex Skin. You're like, oh, well, do you

0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.040
<v Speaker 3>know best applo mind You're like no, and then you're

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<v Speaker 3>like I love this song and you just boom identify.

0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.760
<v Speaker 3>You're like, now you're so fucking I think, yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know what, so cool? I know.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also think that, you know, gen Z is

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<v Speaker 2>so different in how they digest and participate in LA

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<v Speaker 2>and I think, you know, they get a bad rap.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, I'm a millennial, so I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>the elder talking in the room and they get no.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have to say this because you know, I

0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.280
<v Speaker 2>do think they get a bad rap. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>what we do have to give credit about is how

0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:29.560
<v Speaker 2>they experience our culture and how passionate and how they

0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.240
<v Speaker 2>lead with their culture in that way, because you know,

0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:34.640
<v Speaker 2>I think of it this way, right, Like my all

0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.320
<v Speaker 2>my mom wanted was to fit in. Right, Like all

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<v Speaker 2>she wanted when she came to the United States was

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<v Speaker 2>to be as American as she could be, despite having

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<v Speaker 2>like the thickest Mexican accent you can ever hear in

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<v Speaker 2>the world, right, she just wanted to sound and be American.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you have your own child and they are

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<v Speaker 2>born here, you kind of put that on them, right,

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<v Speaker 2>You're kind of like, nihah, just be like them, right,

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<v Speaker 2>sound like them, like code switch for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Be them.

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<v Speaker 2>And so for me, I found like a lot of

0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.879
<v Speaker 2>my identity was not rooted in like deep appreciation and

0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.920
<v Speaker 2>love for my heritage because I was pushed the other direction.

0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.040
<v Speaker 2>I was taught to be like them. Don't be like me,

0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.840
<v Speaker 2>mihat be like them so that you fit in and

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<v Speaker 2>you have the opportunities that I didn't have because of

0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:21.760
<v Speaker 2>how I sound or how I address or where.

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<v Speaker 4>I come from.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it really took me going to school in Washington,

0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:26.919
<v Speaker 2>d C. Because it was a super international city with

0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:28.920
<v Speaker 2>people from all over the world for me to become

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<v Speaker 2>really accepting of my Buddha and my culture and like

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<v Speaker 2>really connect with the music, the food, the dance, all

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<v Speaker 2>of it. And it makes me sad in a way

0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.720
<v Speaker 2>because I grew up in Texas so connected physically to

0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.320
<v Speaker 2>that culture, but yet so far removed froment these kids

0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.879
<v Speaker 2>right that I could effectively have birth, like I probably

0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:47.720
<v Speaker 2>could have given birth.

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<v Speaker 1>To bestl Pluma. Let's be honest, Okay, thank you can

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<v Speaker 1>be my kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I could have done birthing these children from this generation,

0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:57.480
<v Speaker 2>this gen z. They have parents that are trying to

0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:01.360
<v Speaker 2>desperately reconnect for them, and so they're saying, no, no, no,

0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.800
<v Speaker 2>listen to this music. Be prideful, be loud, like go

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<v Speaker 2>show the world how beautiful and rich our culture is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's the explosion because these kids are like,

0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.919
<v Speaker 2>I can be both things, whereas we were told you

0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.160
<v Speaker 2>can be one or the other. And I think that's

0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.680
<v Speaker 2>what's making the difference in acceptance. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>why what you're getting is like really pure storytelling and

0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:25.680
<v Speaker 2>authenticity that is so deeply rooted, like you said, in tradition.

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<v Speaker 1>But still feels so of the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really special time to be Latino and experiencing

0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:33.800
<v Speaker 2>this explosion in music.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I was going to tell you. So it's

0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:39.399
<v Speaker 3>so crazy, like so Latin explosion. Whatever happened when it happened.

0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.400
<v Speaker 2>And that was a whitewashed Latin explosion that was Latino

0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:45.639
<v Speaker 2>music for white people. Totally no listen, no sense to

0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:46.160
<v Speaker 2>white people.

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<v Speaker 1>We love you.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like the Latino gang came through and home

0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:55.239
<v Speaker 3>people are not they are home. Dudes are staying. It's

0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:59.440
<v Speaker 3>not the explosion. It's like it took over. It's gone.

0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:00.360
<v Speaker 3>We blew out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's so true.

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<v Speaker 2>And on that note, Sally, I want to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about this massive I mean massive acceptance

0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:14.320
<v Speaker 2>from the industry to Musika Mexicana.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So let's talk about the record labels, because if

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<v Speaker 1>you listen.

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<v Speaker 2>To any of our episodes, do you know how many

0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:21.520
<v Speaker 2>times these bitches got canceled. They were like, sorry, we're

0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.879
<v Speaker 2>taking away your records? Are we don't get no money,

0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:25.919
<v Speaker 2>there's no budget for this. I mean, if you know

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to Selena's first album cover, you know the

0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:30.040
<v Speaker 2>perils of not having a.

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<v Speaker 3>Budget the way I just really laughed, I can't even feel.

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<v Speaker 2>So now when you cover the industry and you're talking

0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.720
<v Speaker 2>to execs and A and R, how much priority are

0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.600
<v Speaker 2>they placing on this specific category?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god. Yeah. Every single week I find myself

0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:51.399
<v Speaker 5>writing like there's been a new Musika mahikana division opening

0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:55.080
<v Speaker 5>up about like a publishing company or you know, a

0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:59.040
<v Speaker 5>distribution company, whatever it may be. And it's interesting because

0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.840
<v Speaker 5>a lot of like for example, Bisol Pluma is an

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<v Speaker 5>indie artist, he has his own label. So I feel

0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:08.199
<v Speaker 5>like there's definitely been a shift, mostly powered by just

0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.399
<v Speaker 5>like the impact of streaming. As I was saying earlier,

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<v Speaker 5>Latin music is like the fastest growing sub genre on

0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:17.159
<v Speaker 5>streaming platforms. So it's just like the fact that people

0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:20.760
<v Speaker 5>are sort of taking autonomy of their art, of their

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<v Speaker 5>publishing rights, of their distribution rights, and so there's definitely

0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:28.119
<v Speaker 5>been a shift, and I think that that's causing a

0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.040
<v Speaker 5>lot of the major labels to kind of place their

0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:34.600
<v Speaker 5>spotlight on these growing subgenres on music Gamhikhana, on them Bo,

0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.040
<v Speaker 5>on all of these different subgenres are sort of popping up,

0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:41.080
<v Speaker 5>and they're definitely taking the time to research and invest,

0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:44.080
<v Speaker 5>and it's popping up quite a bit. A lot of

0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:48.560
<v Speaker 5>artists are choosing to stay independent now and major labels,

0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:51.639
<v Speaker 5>which is a development. I think again that it all

0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:53.440
<v Speaker 5>comes down to streaming.

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<v Speaker 3>Really Okay, so you think that it's still just as success.

0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.359
<v Speaker 3>You think it's even more successful to not have a

0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:01.400
<v Speaker 3>record label in because of streaming.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's a debate that's ongoing in the music

0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.320
<v Speaker 5>industry right now. A lot of artists are choosing to

0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:10.280
<v Speaker 5>stay independent and sign, you know, with a distribution company.

0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.359
<v Speaker 5>Sign is a publishing deal signed, you know, they have

0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:14.600
<v Speaker 5>their own independent publicist and they do it all on

0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:16.760
<v Speaker 5>their own, just to have ownership of their music and

0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:20.240
<v Speaker 5>the artistic direction. I'm not saying that, you know, that's

0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:23.560
<v Speaker 5>like what's happening in an overhaul, but I'm noticing now

0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.280
<v Speaker 5>that there's a lot more indie artists that are charting.

0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:30.000
<v Speaker 5>For example, Flumento Chris MJ are all indie artists that

0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:32.359
<v Speaker 5>have chosen to stay independent. Pus Plum is another one

0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:36.240
<v Speaker 5>that's chosen to stay independent. I think because streaming has

0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:38.800
<v Speaker 5>just completely changed the way that people are getting paid.

0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.639
<v Speaker 5>So so that's that's where the shift is happening. Am

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<v Speaker 5>I saying that major labels are cook put and it's

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<v Speaker 5>not it's over. It's definitely not that. But there's definitely

0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:51.560
<v Speaker 5>been a shift, I think with a popularity in the

0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:54.159
<v Speaker 5>rise and popularity of all of these subgenres that are

0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:57.280
<v Speaker 5>popping out and having huge numbers out of seemingly nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think, you know, to that point.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you think about these artists that are charting

0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:05.320
<v Speaker 2>and that are making really big gains in streaming, I

0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:09.120
<v Speaker 2>think one word that defines and describes kind of who

0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:12.880
<v Speaker 2>they are as artists is authentic, right. Authenticity is kind

0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:16.600
<v Speaker 2>of at the core to finding success. And you know,

0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:19.159
<v Speaker 2>we've done enough of these episodes to know that a

0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:21.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of times, you know, these artists get put through

0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.840
<v Speaker 2>the ringer and they're trying to make them fit into

0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:29.000
<v Speaker 2>some type of Latin artists whatever that sound they think

0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:31.640
<v Speaker 2>is going to be, you know, like charting or popular

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<v Speaker 2>or digestible for mainstream audiences.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think about all.

0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Of the struggles that our girl Shakiro went through right

0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:40.159
<v Speaker 2>in the beginning, It's like they were just trying to

0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:43.919
<v Speaker 2>make her fit. And obviously back then you didn't have

0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:47.040
<v Speaker 2>a choice to stay independent. It kind of had to

0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:49.080
<v Speaker 2>go to a label, and so you had to take

0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:51.720
<v Speaker 2>a few punches because you're like, Okay, I'll make two

0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:53.960
<v Speaker 2>shitty albums for them, but then I'm going to do

0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:54.520
<v Speaker 2>my album.

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<v Speaker 1>And you used to have to make those deals.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think what is so beautiful about these

0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:03.960
<v Speaker 2>newer generation icons is they've kind of seen the mistakes

0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:08.200
<v Speaker 2>that our older icons have made and said, oh fuck that, Like, no,

0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:11.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't have to do that. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what's happening in the music space right

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<v Speaker 2>now is that authenticity cells It always has problem is

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to be commercial and authentic, and streaming allows you,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, to really do that. So speaking of that,

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<v Speaker 2>knowing that authenticity is so important to audiences, when you

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<v Speaker 2>think about the future of Latin music, what's the next

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<v Speaker 2>sound that you think is going to break big?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh that's such a good question, oh proressure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, it could be a hybrid.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I feel like so much of what we

0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:46.840
<v Speaker 2>love is always you know, everything is derivative. These days,

0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:49.560
<v Speaker 2>it's rarely that like some new sound comes up. It's

0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:51.359
<v Speaker 2>more kind of like, oh, it'd be really interesting to

0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:54.000
<v Speaker 2>hear this and that, so is there a baby of

0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:56.440
<v Speaker 2>two sounds even that you feel is kind of new

0:23:56.480 --> 0:23:59.359
<v Speaker 2>and next in music. I don't even want to call

0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:01.600
<v Speaker 2>it Latin music because it's not Latin music. It's just

0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:02.440
<v Speaker 2>in music.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>That that part is just something that needs to be

0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:10.359
<v Speaker 3>really like, it's in music.

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:13.240
<v Speaker 4>It's here, it's in our charts. If it's in our charts,

0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:15.240
<v Speaker 4>it's just music, yes.

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<v Speaker 5>No question. Yeah, for sure. There's like a ton of

0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:21.640
<v Speaker 5>little just bubbling moments that I've sort of been keeping

0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:24.560
<v Speaker 5>an eye on for the last couple of months. I

0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:27.159
<v Speaker 5>think that women are going to step up in the

0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:34.960
<v Speaker 5>realm of Goombia pop really uh successful rising Kumbia pop

0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:39.440
<v Speaker 5>girls like a Steavy or a Stevie. She She's just

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<v Speaker 5>put out a song with Pcano that if you guys

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<v Speaker 5>I haven't heard.

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<v Speaker 4>It, you should hear it because it's I know it's STV,

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<v Speaker 4>but I don't know this song.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, she's been like amazing. There's just like a bunch

0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:50.320
<v Speaker 5>of Kumbia pop girls that are like popping out of

0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:53.760
<v Speaker 5>Texas specifically that I've been kind of keeping my eye on.

0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:59.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you, bitch, I'm telling you, Texas is a spot.

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<v Speaker 5>Definitely is it? Definitely is. It's spreading a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>news stars. And then I would also say, like in

0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:07.159
<v Speaker 5>the realm of like Lega don there's a lot of

0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:10.119
<v Speaker 5>maleggathon and Latin trap and hip hop coming out of

0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:12.280
<v Speaker 5>Cheatin Argentina that we should keep an.

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<v Speaker 1>Eye Wow, Chaid not what I expected.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, Yeah, Floyd Minor and Chris I'm Jay, which they,

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:22.119
<v Speaker 5>in my opinion, had the Latin song of the summer.

0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:24.640
<v Speaker 5>They hadn't Got That Only, which is like a huge

0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:25.520
<v Speaker 5>song on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to listen to it right now as I

0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 3>get ready to go to Happy Hour.

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Wait, hold on, I'm the Elder is like completely out

0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:33.480
<v Speaker 2>of the loop.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the song called.

0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:39.600
<v Speaker 5>It's called Gat That Only. Okay, it's a song. And

0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:41.960
<v Speaker 5>these artists, the two of them, they're separate, they're not

0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 5>a duo or anything, but they have been just releasing

0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 5>like NonStop bangers for the whole summer and they keep

0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 5>blowing up on TikTok. I believe Got That Only is

0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:53.320
<v Speaker 5>like in the top forty of the Hot one hundred

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:55.760
<v Speaker 5>currently which is crazy because the Hot one hundred is

0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 5>all genre inclusive. So yeah, there's like a lot going on,

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<v Speaker 5>pretty much like in every aspect where you look at

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.720
<v Speaker 5>Latin music, there's a lot of really good stuff happening

0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:08.240
<v Speaker 5>in a lot of cross genre of pollination that's really

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:08.920
<v Speaker 5>really interesting.

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:12.880
<v Speaker 3>It's a really good time to have a music podcast.

0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:17.440
<v Speaker 2>I would say that, now, can I ask you what

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<v Speaker 2>could be considered a controversial question?

0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 5>Do it ready, let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>I've actually been thinking about this question all season, and

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:27.760
<v Speaker 2>there were times when I wanted to bring it up

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:28.960
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, you know what, let's wait till

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:31.080
<v Speaker 2>the end, and I think you're the perfect person to

0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 2>ask this, Okay. So we talked about authenticity and you know,

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:38.680
<v Speaker 2>lived experience and what it's like to sing about our

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:41.439
<v Speaker 2>culture when you grew up in our culture, when you

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:47.040
<v Speaker 2>are the gold buddha as. This music finds popularity globally

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 2>because we are a global genre, right.

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:51.960
<v Speaker 1>People consume this music from all.

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Over the world, like Australia, the Philippine, Japan.

0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:58.119
<v Speaker 1>How would you feel.

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<v Speaker 2>If an artist out of let's just say Korea, right,

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do Cumbia or wanted to do Gorridos because

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:15.199
<v Speaker 2>as music evolves and becomes more mainstream, like think about it,

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Like we have Korean rappers, Okay, we have Japanese rappers, right,

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:23.440
<v Speaker 2>so rap was born. I mean I think New York

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 2>is the home of rap, right and as like, and

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:27.360
<v Speaker 2>you saw that happen when people were like, oh, he's.

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.240
<v Speaker 1>A rapper from like the South, that's a different type

0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 1>of rap.

0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:32.280
<v Speaker 2>He's not authentic, right, He's not like from Queens, He's

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:34.959
<v Speaker 2>not from Brooklyn, He's not jay Z. But as music

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 2>gets bigger and bigger and you decentralize the sound because

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:46.120
<v Speaker 2>we're on a global stage, how do we as Latinos

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:49.640
<v Speaker 2>feel about other people that are not part of our

0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:55.480
<v Speaker 2>gold Buddha doing their version of gumbia gorridos mariachi? Like

0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:59.120
<v Speaker 2>where are we in that space? Are we accepting? Are

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:01.440
<v Speaker 2>we side eyeing? And I'm not saying that I have

0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:04.199
<v Speaker 2>an answer. I just this is a question that I

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 2>always think about because I see the power of our culture.

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 2>I see how other people want a piece of it. Like,

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:15.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you could literally be anywhere and like Satza

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 2>comes on and everybody in the bar is happy.

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't care where you are.

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't care if you speak the language like, we

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 2>have such an innate joy to the sounds of our

0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 2>culture that people want to be a part of it.

0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:29.159
<v Speaker 2>So are we going to let everyone in?

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<v Speaker 5>This might be a hot take, but I feel like

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:35.919
<v Speaker 5>we should. Like I feel like, at the end of

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 5>the day, there's nothing wrong with good music. Emphasis I'd good.

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:44.480
<v Speaker 5>It has to be a good quality music. But I

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 5>think that it's I mean, it's definitely it's happening. Like

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 5>I spoke to Carol g for when she released my.

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 4>Ex me Casual.

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking to my girl, car Got and I

0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:01.960
<v Speaker 2>were on the phone, I'm texting, but.

0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I interviewed her for My MANA Saidawlitos was a

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 5>huge album, but she has always included a gorrillo in

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 5>her albums even though she's from Columbia. And I asked

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 5>her about how she feels about that, and she's like, honestly, like,

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:15.959
<v Speaker 5>I'm I get scared every single time I put out

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 5>a good though, every single time I put out it

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 5>on the song, because I'm scared that people are going

0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 5>to be like, you're not part of the culture, Like

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 5>you're appropriating the culture, you know, And I just don't

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 5>think that that's you know, how I don't think that's

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 5>ever even like been brought it up in conversation, because

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 5>she does it so well, and I think she does

0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 5>it with such respect and admiration for the culture. She

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 5>invites you know, Mexican musicians to come and perform the

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 5>songs with her on tour. So I think, you know,

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 5>when it's done with respect, when it's done correctly and

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:46.880
<v Speaker 5>it's a good quality song, or you know, project like,

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 5>of course we'll welcome that.

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 3>I love that answer well because also like we also did,

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 3>like you know, take some sounds from like Poka music

0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 3>and totally you know, our own music is totally fucking

0:29:58.560 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 3>a mix of shit.

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I'm here for the Korean cumbias whatever.

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, can you imagine a K pop K

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 2>band with down corridos and cumbias?

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 4>I mean lots of dancing.

0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:16.200
<v Speaker 1>Right, lots of choreo, lots of really good choreo totally,

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 1>and some major looks and some major looks.

0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 5>All right.

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 2>I want to get to some games because this is

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 2>kind of one of my favorite parts of wrapping up

0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 2>the season.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to know how well you know are icons?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you guys ready ready?

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 4>All right?

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to read you guys a question, you give

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:43.600
<v Speaker 1>me the answer. Is it a B or C? All right?

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 2>What is Vicente Fernandez's most stream song on Spotify as

0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 2>of this month September twenty twenty four. Oh jeez, is

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 2>it volvert Volvert or on me on the Prima Vedes.

0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 3>I would say the second one, I think.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, I'm gonna put my guests in for the last

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:08.200
<v Speaker 5>one was on me on the Prima Vedras. Uh huh,

0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna put my guests in for that one. I

0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 5>think she's good.

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:12.360
<v Speaker 3>She died.

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well obviously.

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 5>Wait, so wow, I thought I was stuck between now

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 5>and volverat I feel like those.

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was vulnerable. I was shocked, I know.

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean again, It's the thing. It's like

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 2>you think about these icons. You're like, who's streaming resented

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 2>for months? Right?

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 4>Really?

0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:34.840
<v Speaker 3>And it's like twenty two point six millions streams much?

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:37.320
<v Speaker 3>And you're like, what, I haven't even heard that song

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 3>since I was like seventeen.

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Okay, next question, what is Los Bigres del Norte concert

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 2>attendance record? And fyi, they just broke their own record

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:51.240
<v Speaker 2>earlier this year at the Houston Livestock show and Rodeo.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it seventy five thousand fans, twenty thousand fans or

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty thousand fans one hundred and fifty.

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 5>Oh gosh, that's a lot of people, though.

0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if you do that, Joseph, you don't have

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>any people? What stadium? What stadium holds one fifty?

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 4>Bitch? You said the Houston Livestock Show. That's a lot

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 4>of space. That's a ranch.

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:16.280
<v Speaker 1>It's like, that's a lot of cowboys.

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 4>That's whatever. They one hundred and fifty.

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 5>Okay, for the sake of competition, I'll do seventy five.

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Damn she is two for two. Seventy five.

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 4>Hate playing. This is the worst game ever.

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, okay, okay. I feel like Joseph this one.

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I feel like you can.

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Get this one. Okay ready.

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Carlos Santana obviously we know him for his insane skills

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 2>on the guitar, But what was the first.

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Instrument that Carlos Sentana ever played?

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Was it the guitar, the violin or the baffle sextel?

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 5>Oh?

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:51.920
<v Speaker 3>You know what's so sad is that I know that

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 3>I was a part of the podcast when I knew

0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:55.520
<v Speaker 3>about this, and I don't know why.

0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:56.959
<v Speaker 4>I just want to say, guitar.

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 3>I know that's like the obvious anthea, I'm so obvious,

0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 3>but it might be.

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 4>But it might beat Danya big guitars.

0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>But it might beat Danya. Fall for him.

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<v Speaker 4>Do that one. I'll do the bajo sexto and you

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 4>do the guitar.

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 5>I'll do guitar and you do baj.

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:14.920
<v Speaker 1>See this is why we never listened to Joseph.

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 2>He will always lead you a stray, whether it's to

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>that fifth bar at the end of the night where

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 2>you don't need a tequila shot, or he will ruin

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:23.000
<v Speaker 2>your perfect, undefeated record.

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, guys, the answer is be the violin.

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 4>No, he really was the violin. Yes, he does these games.

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 4>They're very sneaky.

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know these damn producers, these damn producers.

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Is okay?

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:37.719
<v Speaker 4>All right?

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Should we do a little true or false? So there

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:46.719
<v Speaker 2>are some wild facts about some of our icons, and

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 2>it's up to us to figure out if it's true

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:51.640
<v Speaker 2>or made up. Now, by the way, I don't know

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 2>the answers here, so we're all playing together, okay, okay.

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:57.680
<v Speaker 2>So the first fact is that Selena our girl. And

0:33:57.680 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 2>by the way, we mean Selena like like, o g

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:01.320
<v Speaker 2>baby Selena, like.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, not the Queen Selina.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, Quequeen Queen, Queen la Reina.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Lorena had a collection of over five hundred Faberge eggs.

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<v Speaker 4>What that's very nightties.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like she'd be collecting eggs. She was like

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.759
<v Speaker 1>a kid, y'all. That's like an old lady, Bobby. I

0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:21.439
<v Speaker 1>love that, and I'm an old lady and I don't

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 1>need to do that shit.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god. But I feel like that's so random

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 5>that it has to be true.

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:29.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I would say it was totally true, because

0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 3>why the fuck would Selena have Who would make up

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.879
<v Speaker 3>a ship like that about Selena Quintania.

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Like ever, I feel like it's more likely that Abraham

0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:41.839
<v Speaker 2>had a collection of Faberge eggs and.

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Tried to pass it on to Selena.

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<v Speaker 4>But wait, is it true?

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well what do we say? We say it's true?

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:50.719
<v Speaker 1>We say true. I think it's true. Oh true, Okay, ready, fuck.

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 4>It's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Really so weird, it's so weird that you're right. When

0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:59.399
<v Speaker 2>it's so weird, it has to be right. And by

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:03.240
<v Speaker 2>the way, if anybody would like to visit said collection.

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Now you can actually visit it in Selena's Corpus Christian Museum.

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 4>All five hundred eggs are in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, should we take a class trip.

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 4>We're going to Corpus. Pack it up, Donya, let's go

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 4>all right? Ready?

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:22.040
<v Speaker 1>True or false? Celia Cruz is now on the back

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<v Speaker 1>of a US quarter.

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:25.439
<v Speaker 4>I know the answer to this, me too.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on a second, hold on, hold on, hold on,

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 2>hold on, Okay, hold on a second. So I need

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:32.160
<v Speaker 2>I need more information because like, did they put they

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 2>just put this quarter through during the Bidens administration, or

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:37.839
<v Speaker 2>like did this are they? I need a year because

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:41.839
<v Speaker 2>there's no way fucking Cheeto allowed this to happen under

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:45.840
<v Speaker 2>his administration. So I feel like if it happened in

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 2>the last four years, then it's true.

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:50.839
<v Speaker 3>There is is there a date that you well, no, Well,

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:53.080
<v Speaker 3>here's the thing I'll tell you because I know the answer.

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<v Speaker 4>It's true.

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 5>Yes, it's true. I also I remember I wrote about

0:35:57.400 --> 0:35:58.919
<v Speaker 5>it for work, so it's true.

0:35:58.960 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 4>Oh there you go.

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Then, okay.

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:03.239
<v Speaker 2>So kind of a signature series that we do here

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 2>on becoming an icon is we really lean on our

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:09.880
<v Speaker 2>guests for musical recommendations As a writer, you have like

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:12.840
<v Speaker 2>your hand on the pulse of like everything that is

0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:15.320
<v Speaker 2>happening when it comes to music. So what we like

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:17.959
<v Speaker 2>to do is take something that we're comfortable in, whether

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 2>it's like your favorite like Mana song or Santana song,

0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 2>and kind of push our listeners to try something a

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 2>little bit different. So we are going to say, see

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 2>thee gusta blank, tegustadiya something else.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Okay, told time, me go get my pen and paper.

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah.

0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:36.800
<v Speaker 2>I always tell people grab your notes ap or grab

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:39.319
<v Speaker 2>your pen and paper, because this is where you get

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:41.560
<v Speaker 2>to curate the best playlist ever.

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Like we learn so much from these. Joseph and I

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:44.480
<v Speaker 1>walk away.

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Saying, okay, we need to have more of these guys

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 2>and girls on our playlist. So yeah, now that I

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:52.800
<v Speaker 2>give in you a moment, get ready to take notes.

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Kastania is about to school y'all ready. Okay, see thee

0:36:56.320 --> 0:37:00.440
<v Speaker 2>Gusta rock in Espanol, Momna or Santana they study.

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:06.319
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Chicano Batman, which if you're from La, those are

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 5>like our people. Chicano Batman is like I would say,

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 5>more Santana than than Mana, and they're kind of like

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 5>a little bit sublimey as well. That's a little bit

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 5>like they're so so so good. They're from La and

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:23.680
<v Speaker 5>they're awesome. They just played the Forum like a couple

0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:26.280
<v Speaker 5>of months ago. It was the first time playing the Forum,

0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 5>and it was like a really good show, all.

0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 2>Right, Sipe, Gusta scoochad legends like Willi Colon and Wangabiel.

0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 4>Check out that's tough.

0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 5>That Yeah, that one stopped me for a minute because like,

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 5>I feel like there's nobody really doing ballads or like

0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:44.800
<v Speaker 5>salt some music justice these days.

0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:48.840
<v Speaker 4>There's not There's Mark Anthony. Where is Mark Anthony?

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:51.400
<v Speaker 1>No, we need Mark Anthony Junior.

0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 2>We need like the bestl Bluma version of Mark Anthony.

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:57.360
<v Speaker 4>That would be so cute. He's so.

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:01.240
<v Speaker 5>But I did I do have one. It's a little

0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:04.640
<v Speaker 5>bit left field, but I would say, you know, if

0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:07.280
<v Speaker 5>you like sauce music, if you like ballads, like definitely

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 5>check out Monda Ferte. She's amazing. She her album was

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:12.720
<v Speaker 5>nominated for Album of the Year at the Latin Grammys

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 5>this morning the nominations came out, and she sort of

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.960
<v Speaker 5>pushes the boundaries of like Sansa and Boston Nova and

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 5>Don and it's really really beautiful. The album that she

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 5>put out is called and it's a concept album. It's very,

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:30.920
<v Speaker 5>very thorough. It's long, but it's definitely worth checking out.

0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 5>And there's some great like prell on there.

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.439
<v Speaker 3>Oh you know, I love to throw that ass back.

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, speaking of throwing that ass, if you like

0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 2>to throw your ass old school like Daddy Yankee's way,

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:46.440
<v Speaker 2>what are you going?

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:48.279
<v Speaker 1>What else are you going to? Like give us something else?

0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:51.319
<v Speaker 5>I feel like this is like a very obvious one,

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:53.040
<v Speaker 5>but I'm going to say it anyways because I am

0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:55.800
<v Speaker 5>a huge fan fade f e I d he's actually

0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 5>Carol Gee's.

0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh he's Carol GE's boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes with me?

0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Are we still girl? Are we really?

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:06.839
<v Speaker 5>I don't know. I just I was trained to stay

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 5>allegedly after like everything, so here I am.

0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean I was there.

0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:13.920
<v Speaker 2>She was like celebrating his birthday on stage when we

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 2>were like in Pasadena at.

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:16.080
<v Speaker 1>The Rose Bowl.

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Like, if they're not together, then my husband and I

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.799
<v Speaker 2>aren't married and we've been married seventeen years okay, and

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 2>we have a child together, so wow.

0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 4>So Fake Yeah.

0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:28.840
<v Speaker 5>Has like the best tagotone bangers. I think he's like

0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:31.480
<v Speaker 5>at the top of his game for sure. Checkout faed.

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Well here's the thing.

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 2>One day we'll take a wild field trip to an

0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 2>underground federal party and Danya is leading the charge.

0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:41.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's what we're gonna do.

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:42.000
<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say thank you so much for being

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:46.839
<v Speaker 2>here for our season finale.

0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 1>We have loved talking with you, Tanya.

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Please share with our listeners where can we find you

0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:53.799
<v Speaker 2>and what are you working on right now?

0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:56.239
<v Speaker 5>I am working on a lot of good stuff as

0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 5>we sort of towards the end of the year, a

0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 5>lot of life best of lists. So I'm thinking about

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:03.879
<v Speaker 5>best albums of the year, best singles of the year,

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:05.359
<v Speaker 5>best new artists of the year.

0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:08.399
<v Speaker 4>So lucky to have you with us, and.

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:10.839
<v Speaker 5>I'm so happy to be here. But yeah, so that's

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:13.120
<v Speaker 5>kind of what I'm spending my time on right now,

0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:16.719
<v Speaker 5>and you can catch that on my socials. I'm at

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:17.239
<v Speaker 5>ty Wright.

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Everywhere it's t y E w R I T E perfect.

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:26.359
<v Speaker 3>We are quickly following, follow like and share everybody follow like.

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Share, Monetize. I always add monetize.

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:33.880
<v Speaker 1>It's very important, very important. Well, it's been lovely to

0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 1>meet you.

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for sharing all of that knowledge,

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.440
<v Speaker 2>and I will see you at that underground.

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 5>But party period. Bye hie, guys, thank you.

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:49.919
<v Speaker 3>You know, I really really can't believe it is now

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 3>the end of season two, Like, not only have we

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 3>been best used for so long, but now we are

0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 3>wrapping up season two of this of learning so much

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:02.680
<v Speaker 3>about kind of our own culture and remembering our separate

0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:04.800
<v Speaker 3>lives but together.

0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:07.600
<v Speaker 4>It feels so weird. What do you see?

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 3>You know?

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:08.720
<v Speaker 1>It's so interesting.

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 2>I feel like when we start each season, I feel

0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 2>like the world.

0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Is our oyster. We can talk about anything. Then we

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 1>get to the end of a season and I'm like, wait,

0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:22.760
<v Speaker 1>we still have so much more to say.

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 2>We didn't get to do enough episodes about Mana or

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:28.560
<v Speaker 2>I want to do another episode today given all of

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 2>the Mana news that we've heard. And so I think

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:36.440
<v Speaker 2>that's the beautiful thing about covering music and culture is

0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:39.880
<v Speaker 2>that there's always going to be more to say. The

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:43.120
<v Speaker 2>conversation doesn't end because our season ends, right, And that's

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:48.320
<v Speaker 2>what's so beautiful about being able to experience music as kids,

0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:52.239
<v Speaker 2>as adolescents, as teenagers, as grown ups because the conversation

0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:54.319
<v Speaker 2>is always changing around it. And I think we're so

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:56.920
<v Speaker 2>lucky to be able to have these conversations not.

0:41:57.000 --> 0:42:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Just with each other, but with you, guys, our listeners.

0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:03.000
<v Speaker 2>And I think one thing I don't often say enough

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 2>is thank you for listening. Thank you for your dms,

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:11.040
<v Speaker 2>thank you for downloading our episodes, thank you for supporting

0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:15.279
<v Speaker 2>our show. I hope that when you're listening to us,

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:18.360
<v Speaker 2>you feel like you're at Margs with us, and that

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 2>we're not just talking to you, because we really do

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.759
<v Speaker 2>it for you, guys. We love to invite you in

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 2>and as you're learning, we're learning. Like Please don't think

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:30.040
<v Speaker 2>that we're any kind of like music experts, because we're not.

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Half the time the time, we're learning just like you are.

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:37.279
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's what's so beautiful about music is

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 2>that there's always more to learn. And I think that's

0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:41.919
<v Speaker 2>what's so great about our icons. There's always more to learn,

0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 2>more to love, more to pass judgment all because sometimes

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:48.200
<v Speaker 2>we do judge them, and also more to you know,

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:51.200
<v Speaker 2>have conversations about in the future. So thanks you guys

0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:54.640
<v Speaker 2>for sticking with us for two seasons. And if you

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:56.480
<v Speaker 2>love the show as much as we love the show,

0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 2>please share it with a friend and we'll see you

0:42:58.960 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 2>guys soon.

0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 3>Lastly, I want to thank you, Liliana for having me.

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:06.880
<v Speaker 3>We've done seventy episodes, like, I want to thank you

0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:09.480
<v Speaker 3>so much for having me. This has been so much fun.

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.799
<v Speaker 3>This is kind of historical. I mean we're talking and

0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 3>diving into things that we didn't even know and that,

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:16.759
<v Speaker 3>like you said, this is kind of evergreen.

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:18.360
<v Speaker 4>It's always going to be happening.

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:21.520
<v Speaker 3>So thank you for bringing me along this amazing journey

0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:23.960
<v Speaker 3>and we'll see if season three happens.

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:28.319
<v Speaker 2>Thank you guys so much for joining us. And of

0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.640
<v Speaker 2>course you can follow Joseph and I on social media.

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:35.480
<v Speaker 2>I am at Liliana Vasquez across TikTok and Instagram.

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:37.840
<v Speaker 3>And I'm at Joseph Garrio that's c A R R

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 3>I L l O on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>Becoming an Icon is presented by Sonoo and Iheart's Michael

0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:53.520
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