1
00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:03,000
Speaker 1: Joseph.

2
00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,600
Speaker 2: Usually I show up really happy and excited, but I

3
00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,120
Speaker 2: am not feeling those feelings today.

4
00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm a little blue.

5
00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,480
Speaker 3: Wait, why is it because it's a super moon and

6
00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,239
Speaker 3: lunar eclipse today?

7
00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:17,919
Speaker 4: Because I kind of feel that too.

8
00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:23,240
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, highly likely, but it's beacause today is

9
00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:29,240
Speaker 2: our season finale. No, you guys, for the past thirty

10
00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:34,199
Speaker 2: five episodes thirty five years old, I know, I know,

11
00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,920
Speaker 2: we have been diving deep into the highs and the

12
00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:44,640
Speaker 2: lows of some of the biggest LATINX stars on the planet, icons.

13
00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,640
Speaker 4: That inspire us. I mean we look up to.

14
00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,559
Speaker 3: Them, we love them, we hate them, we love to

15
00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,600
Speaker 3: talk about them. I mean it is truly, it's been

16
00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:54,160
Speaker 3: a journey.

17
00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,000
Speaker 1: It has and it's a labor of love.

18
00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,320
Speaker 2: Each of these episodes, you guys, takes hours and hours

19
00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:04,640
Speaker 2: and hours research and production and recording and conversations and

20
00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,640
Speaker 2: arguments and fights. I mean we don't okay, we don't

21
00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,680
Speaker 2: actually fight, but we do have heated discussions.

22
00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:09,120
Speaker 4: We do.

23
00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:14,080
Speaker 1: And today our season two journey is coming to an end.

24
00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,720
Speaker 3: But we are not doing all this recapping and season

25
00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,559
Speaker 3: finale ng alone.

26
00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,360
Speaker 4: We have here one of the best because that is

27
00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:24,800
Speaker 4: what we deserve and.

28
00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,600
Speaker 1: That is what we will always deliver to you.

29
00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,680
Speaker 2: Today with Us is a Tania Garcia.

30
00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Lillianavosquez.

31
00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,840
Speaker 4: And I'm Joseph Carrio and this is Becoming an Icon.

32
00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,760
Speaker 2: A weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on

33
00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,160
Speaker 2: how today's most famous latinv stars have shaped pop culture.

34
00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,200
Speaker 4: And given the world some extra level.

35
00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,040
Speaker 1: Sit back and get comfortable.

36
00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,400
Speaker 3: Because we are going in the only way we know

37
00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:04,520
Speaker 3: how with Buena's via with Us, when Visas and a.

38
00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,000
Speaker 2: Lot of opinions as we relive their greatest achievements on

39
00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,079
Speaker 2: our journey to find out what makes them so iconic.

40
00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,720
Speaker 2: Tanya Garcia is the associate music editor at Variety based

41
00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,840
Speaker 2: here in Los Angeles. She writes them edits music news

42
00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,680
Speaker 2: features and has a specialization in Latin entertainment. So naturally,

43
00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,799
Speaker 2: she is the perfect guest for our season finale.

44
00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,000
Speaker 1: Joseph, It's time. It's time.

45
00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,359
Speaker 2: Also, Tanya is just super cool and she is here

46
00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,440
Speaker 2: to share all of her knowledge, spill the tea, and

47
00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,960
Speaker 2: just join the party that is Becoming an Icon.

48
00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,760
Speaker 1: So Tanya, welcome to Becoming an Icon.

49
00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,240
Speaker 2: We are so excited to get into all of season

50
00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,400
Speaker 2: two with you.

51
00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,600
Speaker 4: Welcome, welcome, welcome wagon.

52
00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,840
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, thank you guys for having me. I'm

53
00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,280
Speaker 5: so excited to be celebrating your season finale today. I

54
00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,079
Speaker 5: feel so honored. I feel like the biggest specialist guest ever.

55
00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,280
Speaker 5: So thank you so so much.

56
00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,480
Speaker 2: Well, that is the energy we like to start with.

57
00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,080
Speaker 2: And I know that you've listened. Now, you don't have

58
00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,000
Speaker 2: to say that you listen to all the episodes, but

59
00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,120
Speaker 2: I know that you have listened to many of our episodes.

60
00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,960
Speaker 2: Is there an episode or an icon that personally stands

61
00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,200
Speaker 2: out in your mind from this season?

62
00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,520
Speaker 5: Oh, my gosh, like so many of them. I just

63
00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,919
Speaker 5: recently was listening to the Mana episode because I was

64
00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,640
Speaker 5: actually like, Mana was in the news this week, so

65
00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,080
Speaker 5: I was like going back and listening to it because

66
00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,200
Speaker 5: I didn't know like much of Mana's history and their story,

67
00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,160
Speaker 5: and so I found out so many other interesting things.

68
00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,080
Speaker 5: But of course I have a connection to a lot

69
00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,560
Speaker 5: of the icons that you guys covered. I'm Mexican American,

70
00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:53,240
Speaker 5: so I grew up listening to like Kuangabriel Nabo, like

71
00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,240
Speaker 5: all of these like icons, divas and you know, people

72
00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,360
Speaker 5: that are ingrained in my memory forever. Also Vicenti. This

73
00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,080
Speaker 5: is a huge one for me. Obviously, he's like emblematic

74
00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,480
Speaker 5: of Mexican culture, so it was really interesting to kind

75
00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,920
Speaker 5: of dive deeper into some of these historical aspects.

76
00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:12,160
Speaker 4: Of these artists.

77
00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and what's amazing about everyone that you've

78
00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,279
Speaker 2: named is, you know, we really focus this series on

79
00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,880
Speaker 2: talking about the icons that are really shaping the LATINX scene,

80
00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,360
Speaker 2: that shaped it in the past, are shaping it currently,

81
00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,800
Speaker 2: and also about the future of this incredible space, right,

82
00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,600
Speaker 2: and you mentioned so many, but also we do not discriminate,

83
00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,040
Speaker 2: like we talk about everyone like you can be old,

84
00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,400
Speaker 2: you can be young, you can have some controversy, you

85
00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,480
Speaker 2: can have lots of drama.

86
00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,839
Speaker 1: We actually prefer the drama.

87
00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:42,080
Speaker 4: Drama.

88
00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,239
Speaker 1: We live for the drama, like the morte the better.

89
00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,720
Speaker 2: But like you know, we've had Wanga Willi Colonne, right,

90
00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:55,760
Speaker 2: We've had Carlos Santana obviously, and then all of these

91
00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,960
Speaker 2: icons really kind of hold their own amongst each other.

92
00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,680
Speaker 2: And what's also really special I think about this particular

93
00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,679
Speaker 2: show is that we also spend some time talking about

94
00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,120
Speaker 2: icons in the making, right, the icons that maybe are

95
00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,880
Speaker 2: not iconic today, but that you know, in ten years

96
00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,200
Speaker 2: twelve years, twenty years, there's going to be a becoming

97
00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,840
Speaker 2: an icon about Camilla Cabello and Carol g and Nata

98
00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,440
Speaker 2: and for Sarahida. Right, So for you, I know you

99
00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,400
Speaker 2: mentioned your background. Do you have any deep personal connection

100
00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,080
Speaker 2: to any of these specific artists, Like did one of

101
00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,960
Speaker 2: them really shape your love and passion for music as

102
00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:35,760
Speaker 2: you were growing up?

103
00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,520
Speaker 5: Yes, for sure. It's interesting because growing up my mom

104
00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,600
Speaker 5: was like very much in the pop world, and then

105
00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,720
Speaker 5: my dad was like constantly listening to Corridos. So for

106
00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,480
Speaker 5: me again going back to be SENTI f and then

107
00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,560
Speaker 5: this he was like the emblem of pride in Mexican culture.

108
00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,120
Speaker 5: And every time I knew from the start like that

109
00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,800
Speaker 5: Vicente was an icon because just the way that they

110
00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,080
Speaker 5: presented him, the way that he stress, the way that

111
00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:06,120
Speaker 5: he his voice to me was synonymous with Mexican pride,

112
00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,760
Speaker 5: just how strong his voice was. And so I mean,

113
00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,200
Speaker 5: obviously he was always around playing in my house. And

114
00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,640
Speaker 5: then flipping over to my mom. She was always like

115
00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,000
Speaker 5: a Romantica's girl and very much into the pop world,

116
00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,440
Speaker 5: and so I kind of picked up her love for

117
00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:27,640
Speaker 5: John Ceastian, for Penge for and Dahlia especially, I think

118
00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,640
Speaker 5: for me because both of our names start with the thh.

119
00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,039
Speaker 4: That's that's already just too much perfect?

120
00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,080
Speaker 5: And she and then I would watch her in the

121
00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,280
Speaker 5: novelas and I was like, that is the ultimate Barbie Doll.

122
00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,360
Speaker 5: Like I was like, yes, with Barbie's just her outfits,

123
00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,280
Speaker 5: the way that she was so animated on stage, like

124
00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,320
Speaker 5: just everything about her enamored me as a little girl.

125
00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,680
Speaker 5: And I just found like the t connections, so like,

126
00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,320
Speaker 5: I feel so special.

127
00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:54,800
Speaker 4: You know that.

128
00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys are basically the same personally.

129
00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joseph, what about you?

130
00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,400
Speaker 2: Because I know that you know, as similar as you

131
00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,720
Speaker 2: and I are, we're also so different in the music

132
00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,800
Speaker 2: that kind of dominated our homes and the music that

133
00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,440
Speaker 2: we listened to now as like adults, Like, is there

134
00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,640
Speaker 2: anyone icon that we covered that was either always your

135
00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,720
Speaker 2: tried and true favorite or somebody that became an unexpected

136
00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:21,960
Speaker 2: favorite for you?

137
00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,760
Speaker 4: You know, learning a lot.

138
00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,920
Speaker 3: I can't even pinpoint one because I will say, obviously,

139
00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,160
Speaker 3: this whole list, we we all grew up with all

140
00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,280
Speaker 3: of these people, but learning, I feel like they are.

141
00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,400
Speaker 3: What I learned the most out of everybody is that

142
00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,480
Speaker 3: they all started very simple, and they weren't ever really

143
00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,320
Speaker 3: in a rush until it just all happened, and it

144
00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,800
Speaker 3: was just their determination. And I feel like that kind

145
00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,600
Speaker 3: of speaks true to like as Latinos, where just we

146
00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,600
Speaker 3: just keep kind of going. And I feel like that's

147
00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,680
Speaker 3: what I feel like I'm getting from everyone here. They

148
00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,440
Speaker 3: just didn't stop, they didn't give up. It wasn't just

149
00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,360
Speaker 3: because the door closed, like hoes were going around through

150
00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,560
Speaker 3: the side, up the wing, and so I feel like

151
00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,640
Speaker 3: it's just the determination of all of them that I'm

152
00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,720
Speaker 3: just like, I got to keep going.

153
00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:07,080
Speaker 4: You know.

154
00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I think that word kind of like, you know,

155
00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,200
Speaker 2: whether it's tenacity or unstoppable. I mean, I think that

156
00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,800
Speaker 2: really speaks to Latinos as a culture. And I hate to,

157
00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,760
Speaker 2: you know, like define us as a monolith, but you know,

158
00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,640
Speaker 2: whether you're Cuban or Peruvian or Mexican, you know, whatever,

159
00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,880
Speaker 2: you are Colombiana. Like I do think that we are

160
00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,040
Speaker 2: kind of born with that spirit that's like, yo, we're

161
00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,480
Speaker 2: not going to be stopped. And think about how many

162
00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,199
Speaker 2: times like the themes were stopped, right, like, how many

163
00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,920
Speaker 2: times they were stopped. Think about Wanga, like at every

164
00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,040
Speaker 2: turn it was like no, sorry.

165
00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,679
Speaker 3: Declined Celia being like she could never go back, like

166
00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,360
Speaker 3: and she had a cup of her own, you know,

167
00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,600
Speaker 3: the latira from Cuba for herself. Like it's all of

168
00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,360
Speaker 3: this stuff, and they always just wanted to remain true

169
00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,400
Speaker 3: to themselves, even now with like, you know, the Corridos

170
00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,920
Speaker 3: Tombalos kids. I'm going to call them that because I'm

171
00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,960
Speaker 3: fucking old as fuck man, and it's just like, you know,

172
00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,120
Speaker 3: they've changed it, but it's still so true to the sound,

173
00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,480
Speaker 3: but they look different. It's it's just it's fascinating. Yeah,

174
00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:13,680
Speaker 3: that's all I'm gonna say.

175
00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,160
Speaker 2: And I think fascinating is the perfect way to summarize

176
00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,320
Speaker 2: what we do on this show. And I hope that

177
00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,440
Speaker 2: you know, when you guys listen, you feel that way too,

178
00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,600
Speaker 2: because you might know the music, but you likely don't

179
00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,480
Speaker 2: know the icon, right, And that's why this podcast is

180
00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,360
Speaker 2: so fun because it teaches you so much. Like I'm

181
00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,160
Speaker 2: somebody that thought I was really familiar with one Gabie,

182
00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,959
Speaker 2: like he was like my grandmother's favorite artist.

183
00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:36,960
Speaker 1: I thought I knew everything.

184
00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,520
Speaker 2: I knew nothing because I really only knew the version

185
00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,920
Speaker 2: of him that my grandmother shared with me, or the

186
00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,800
Speaker 2: version that I saw on television. But what we do

187
00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,400
Speaker 2: is go so deep into their lives to really tell

188
00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,480
Speaker 2: you like the ups, the downs, the juice, the tea,

189
00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,760
Speaker 2: And it's incredible to really get to know them as

190
00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,280
Speaker 2: people before they were icons and then understand what truly

191
00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,360
Speaker 2: does make them iconic because oftentimes, like Joseph said, it's

192
00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,160
Speaker 2: not just the music, it's the person at the center of.

193
00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:18,440
Speaker 1: It all, right, totally. Now, one of the things.

194
00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,240
Speaker 2: That I feel like we always touch on is like

195
00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:20,600
Speaker 2: what are.

196
00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,320
Speaker 1: These connections that all of these icons have?

197
00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,040
Speaker 2: And that's what's so fun to do and these kind

198
00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,959
Speaker 2: of like season finale episodes to say, Okay, how are

199
00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:27,480
Speaker 2: they connected?

200
00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:27,719
Speaker 4: Right?

201
00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,360
Speaker 2: So, like one thing that I keep thinking about with

202
00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,719
Speaker 2: all of these icons specifically, I would say, like Santana

203
00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,880
Speaker 2: and Selena, is like it was so important to get

204
00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,199
Speaker 2: the seal of approval of the audiences from their home country, right,

205
00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,120
Speaker 2: you know, like there's always this idea of you're never

206
00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,840
Speaker 2: enough or I said it earlier, I said me that key,

207
00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,760
Speaker 2: me that yeah, right, and all of us right are

208
00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,240
Speaker 2: born here, but at the same time, we have so

209
00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:01,320
Speaker 2: much pride and love for our country and for our culture.

210
00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,760
Speaker 2: So it's like for them born here but still really

211
00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,240
Speaker 2: really wanted to capture the love of those audiences at home.

212
00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,320
Speaker 1: Right, How is it?

213
00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,199
Speaker 2: So, I guess, how is it essential for these artists

214
00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,480
Speaker 2: to be able to have success not just in the US,

215
00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,720
Speaker 2: but to have success in the countries that they represent,

216
00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,440
Speaker 2: Like why do they need to feel so connected to

217
00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,239
Speaker 2: their culture in that way as musicians?

218
00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,840
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, that's a really big question. I think

219
00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,120
Speaker 5: it boils down to, like when we look at musicians,

220
00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,880
Speaker 5: when we look at celebrities really in general, we want

221
00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,280
Speaker 5: to feel a sense of relatability and a sense of

222
00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,600
Speaker 5: humility coming from them. I think the moment that that

223
00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,319
Speaker 5: stops happening, it you kind of lose your audience in

224
00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,080
Speaker 5: a sense. And so I think, especially for Latinos, it's

225
00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,640
Speaker 5: difficult for us to pinpoint all of our backgrounds, where

226
00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,840
Speaker 5: we come from and all of these things, because again,

227
00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,040
Speaker 5: we are a melting pot of languages and cultural references,

228
00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,840
Speaker 5: of music, of all of these things. And so I

229
00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,840
Speaker 5: think understanding that you know, Latinos come in a white

230
00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,720
Speaker 5: spectrum and that we are we can be multiple things

231
00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,880
Speaker 5: that once is essential to the art, street, is essential

232
00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,520
Speaker 5: to the storytelling, is essential to the instruments, and so yeah,

233
00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,640
Speaker 5: I mean nowadays, I'm thinking about musicamihikana specifically like Haave

234
00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,960
Speaker 5: and for sada Hida and all of these people who

235
00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,520
Speaker 5: are really just the definition of a melting pot of

236
00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,040
Speaker 5: cultures and of pride. Honestly.

237
00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you get to kind of the

238
00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,560
Speaker 2: second thing that kind of ties all of these groups

239
00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,719
Speaker 2: together is this idea of musical crossroads.

240
00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:36,280
Speaker 1: Right.

241
00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,760
Speaker 2: It's not linear, it's like all of these different roads

242
00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,200
Speaker 2: converging together. And that really actually makes the case for

243
00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,880
Speaker 2: the idea of like border towns, right, and that truly

244
00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,560
Speaker 2: is symbolic of like having one foot in one country

245
00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:49,760
Speaker 2: and one.

246
00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:50,520
Speaker 1: Foot in the other.

247
00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,400
Speaker 2: And you know, I grew up in Fort Worth, Texas

248
00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,320
Speaker 2: kind of like what I call like northern Mexico, but

249
00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,360
Speaker 2: my family is like right on the border del Rio Nacunya, right,

250
00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,560
Speaker 2: and so I'm very familiar with what it is to

251
00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,480
Speaker 2: be on the border. And we think about Selina Santana

252
00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,200
Speaker 2: therez v Norte, right, Like whatder girls? I mean, that's

253
00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,920
Speaker 2: what they are, you know, like whether it's the Wana

254
00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,080
Speaker 2: or MEXICALI you know, do you think that this is

255
00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,120
Speaker 2: still a thing because a lot of these crosswords and

256
00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,000
Speaker 2: border towns come out through the lyrics, come out through

257
00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,720
Speaker 2: the instruments, through the musicality, like especially here, I think,

258
00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,920
Speaker 2: you know, in South California, Like there is something happening here,

259
00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,079
Speaker 2: like you touched on it with Havy a little bit there,

260
00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,880
Speaker 2: like all of these new like modern gorridos, Like do

261
00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,000
Speaker 2: you think that this new generation is influenced in the

262
00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,160
Speaker 2: same way but that duality, by that existence of growing

263
00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,920
Speaker 2: up on the border between wherever that is.

264
00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,880
Speaker 5: For you A thousand million a percent, Yes, I think,

265
00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,920
Speaker 5: you know. One of the stats that I remember writing

266
00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,240
Speaker 5: at the top of this year, when we were looking

267
00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,880
Speaker 5: at twenty twenty three, was that Latin music was like

268
00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:56,120
Speaker 5: one of the fastest growing subgenres on streaming. So I

269
00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,240
Speaker 5: think that the reason that that's happening is because of

270
00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,400
Speaker 5: the popularity of all of these sub jos. Is a

271
00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,080
Speaker 5: lot of these kids are kind of mixing a bunch

272
00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,719
Speaker 5: of these sounds together and it's becoming relatable because the

273
00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,040
Speaker 5: kids are growing up here and are listening to it,

274
00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,280
Speaker 5: and so they relate to the sort of duality that's

275
00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,120
Speaker 5: coming across in this music. I will come back to

276
00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,960
Speaker 5: the Southern California thing, but I did want to mention

277
00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,679
Speaker 5: because I know you just said that you guys are

278
00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,680
Speaker 5: in Texas. I was watching a documentary that just came

279
00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,080
Speaker 5: out on Netflix called Going Varsity and Madiaci. Have you

280
00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:22,760
Speaker 5: guys heard of it?

281
00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:27,440
Speaker 2: Oh God, Oh, Joseph, please, I'm going to watch it.

282
00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,280
Speaker 2: Joseph and listeners, y'all have to watch this documentary.

283
00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,320
Speaker 5: Yes, it's a must watch. It's basically just about how

284
00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,960
Speaker 5: there's all of these like small communities across high schools

285
00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,320
Speaker 5: in the United States, but more specifically in Texas and

286
00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,240
Speaker 5: those border towns that have madiachi varsity madiachi teams. They

287
00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,800
Speaker 5: go and they compete in national competitions, and it's the

288
00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,320
Speaker 5: most incredible thing to see because these kids like are

289
00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,920
Speaker 5: so impassionate about madiachi music, which is probably like equivalent

290
00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,200
Speaker 5: to classical music. It's that old, it's that tradition, and

291
00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,720
Speaker 5: they're just breathing this new life into it and it's

292
00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,760
Speaker 5: so exciting to watch. And it's like has a kind

293
00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,800
Speaker 5: of like it's a documentary, so it has a little

294
00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,800
Speaker 5: bit of like a reality TV aspect to it, like

295
00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:11,200
Speaker 5: it's a little bit of drama.

296
00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:11,960
Speaker 4: We kind of like that.

297
00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,040
Speaker 3: I just need to let it be known that I

298
00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,120
Speaker 3: played the guitar Rohne for three years from third grade

299
00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,240
Speaker 3: to the sixth grade. I am a mariachi boy. Number one,

300
00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,240
Speaker 3: number two. I'm going to say, I think that's so

301
00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,680
Speaker 3: true to what you're saying because also, you know, in

302
00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:32,080
Speaker 3: Middle America where there are Latinos who their family migrators

303
00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,200
Speaker 3: from wherever and now they find themselves stuck, or people

304
00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,320
Speaker 3: who are the Yono Saba kids, it's yon Sabo kids.

305
00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,960
Speaker 3: They are also just getting to experience their culture in

306
00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,080
Speaker 3: a way that like it sounds so traditional, but it's

307
00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,520
Speaker 3: still so fucking cool.

308
00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:46,280
Speaker 5: Yeah.

309
00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,440
Speaker 3: Like that's why I think more people are coming to it,

310
00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,000
Speaker 3: because it's like, oh, you're half mech Sican or your

311
00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:52,520
Speaker 3: three quarters mex Skin. You're like, oh, well, do you

312
00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,040
Speaker 3: know best applo mind You're like no, and then you're

313
00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,680
Speaker 3: like I love this song and you just boom identify.

314
00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,760
Speaker 3: You're like, now you're so fucking I think, yeah, you.

315
00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,040
Speaker 4: Know what, so cool? I know.

316
00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,720
Speaker 2: And I also think that, you know, gen Z is

317
00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:11,120
Speaker 2: so different in how they digest and participate in LA

318
00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,800
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, they get a bad rap.

319
00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,440
Speaker 2: And by the way, I'm a millennial, so I'm like

320
00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,120
Speaker 2: the elder talking in the room and they get no.

321
00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:19,560
Speaker 2: But I have to say this because you know, I

322
00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,280
Speaker 2: do think they get a bad rap. But I think

323
00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,600
Speaker 2: what we do have to give credit about is how

324
00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:29,560
Speaker 2: they experience our culture and how passionate and how they

325
00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,240
Speaker 2: lead with their culture in that way, because you know,

326
00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,640
Speaker 2: I think of it this way, right, Like my all

327
00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,320
Speaker 2: my mom wanted was to fit in. Right, Like all

328
00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,120
Speaker 2: she wanted when she came to the United States was

329
00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,520
Speaker 2: to be as American as she could be, despite having

330
00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,480
Speaker 2: like the thickest Mexican accent you can ever hear in

331
00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,920
Speaker 2: the world, right, she just wanted to sound and be American.

332
00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,560
Speaker 2: So when you have your own child and they are

333
00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,200
Speaker 2: born here, you kind of put that on them, right,

334
00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,320
Speaker 2: You're kind of like, nihah, just be like them, right,

335
00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,200
Speaker 2: sound like them, like code switch for them.

336
00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:02,240
Speaker 1: Be them.

337
00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,760
Speaker 2: And so for me, I found like a lot of

338
00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,879
Speaker 2: my identity was not rooted in like deep appreciation and

339
00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,920
Speaker 2: love for my heritage because I was pushed the other direction.

340
00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,040
Speaker 2: I was taught to be like them. Don't be like me,

341
00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,840
Speaker 2: mihat be like them so that you fit in and

342
00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,119
Speaker 2: you have the opportunities that I didn't have because of

343
00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,760
Speaker 2: how I sound or how I address or where.

344
00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:22,120
Speaker 4: I come from.

345
00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,960
Speaker 2: And so it really took me going to school in Washington,

346
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,919
Speaker 2: d C. Because it was a super international city with

347
00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,920
Speaker 2: people from all over the world for me to become

348
00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,560
Speaker 2: really accepting of my Buddha and my culture and like

349
00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,200
Speaker 2: really connect with the music, the food, the dance, all

350
00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,840
Speaker 2: of it. And it makes me sad in a way

351
00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,720
Speaker 2: because I grew up in Texas so connected physically to

352
00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,320
Speaker 2: that culture, but yet so far removed froment these kids

353
00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,879
Speaker 2: right that I could effectively have birth, like I probably

354
00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:47,720
Speaker 2: could have given birth.

355
00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,800
Speaker 1: To bestl Pluma. Let's be honest, Okay, thank you can

356
00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:50,320
Speaker 1: be my kids.

357
00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,280
Speaker 2: I could have done birthing these children from this generation,

358
00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,480
Speaker 2: this gen z. They have parents that are trying to

359
00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,360
Speaker 2: desperately reconnect for them, and so they're saying, no, no, no,

360
00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,800
Speaker 2: listen to this music. Be prideful, be loud, like go

361
00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,240
Speaker 2: show the world how beautiful and rich our culture is.

362
00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,239
Speaker 2: And I think that's the explosion because these kids are like,

363
00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,919
Speaker 2: I can be both things, whereas we were told you

364
00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,160
Speaker 2: can be one or the other. And I think that's

365
00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,680
Speaker 2: what's making the difference in acceptance. And I think that's

366
00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,679
Speaker 2: why what you're getting is like really pure storytelling and

367
00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,680
Speaker 2: authenticity that is so deeply rooted, like you said, in tradition.

368
00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,280
Speaker 1: But still feels so of the moment.

369
00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,480
Speaker 2: It's a really special time to be Latino and experiencing

370
00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:33,800
Speaker 2: this explosion in music.

371
00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,320
Speaker 3: That's what I was going to tell you. So it's

372
00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,399
Speaker 3: so crazy, like so Latin explosion. Whatever happened when it happened.

373
00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,400
Speaker 2: And that was a whitewashed Latin explosion that was Latino

374
00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,639
Speaker 2: music for white people. Totally no listen, no sense to

375
00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:46,160
Speaker 2: white people.

376
00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:46,800
Speaker 1: We love you.

377
00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,639
Speaker 3: I feel like the Latino gang came through and home

378
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,239
Speaker 3: people are not they are home. Dudes are staying. It's

379
00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,440
Speaker 3: not the explosion. It's like it took over. It's gone.

380
00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:00,360
Speaker 3: We blew out.

381
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's so true.

382
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,159
Speaker 2: And on that note, Sally, I want to ask you

383
00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:10,720
Speaker 2: a little bit about this massive I mean massive acceptance

384
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,320
Speaker 2: from the industry to Musika Mexicana.

385
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,840
Speaker 1: Right, So let's talk about the record labels, because if

386
00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:17,400
Speaker 1: you listen.

387
00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:18,720
Speaker 2: To any of our episodes, do you know how many

388
00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,520
Speaker 2: times these bitches got canceled. They were like, sorry, we're

389
00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,879
Speaker 2: taking away your records? Are we don't get no money,

390
00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,919
Speaker 2: there's no budget for this. I mean, if you know

391
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,800
Speaker 2: what happened to Selena's first album cover, you know the

392
00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,040
Speaker 2: perils of not having a.

393
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,840
Speaker 3: Budget the way I just really laughed, I can't even feel.

394
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,680
Speaker 2: So now when you cover the industry and you're talking

395
00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,720
Speaker 2: to execs and A and R, how much priority are

396
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,600
Speaker 2: they placing on this specific category?

397
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,800
Speaker 5: Oh my god. Yeah. Every single week I find myself

398
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,399
Speaker 5: writing like there's been a new Musika mahikana division opening

399
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 5: up about like a publishing company or you know, a

400
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 5: distribution company, whatever it may be. And it's interesting because

401
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 5: a lot of like for example, Bisol Pluma is an

402
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 5: indie artist, he has his own label. So I feel

403
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,199
Speaker 5: like there's definitely been a shift, mostly powered by just

404
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,399
Speaker 5: like the impact of streaming. As I was saying earlier,

405
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,119
Speaker 5: Latin music is like the fastest growing sub genre on

406
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,159
Speaker 5: streaming platforms. So it's just like the fact that people

407
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,760
Speaker 5: are sort of taking autonomy of their art, of their

408
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,159
Speaker 5: publishing rights, of their distribution rights, and so there's definitely

409
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 5: been a shift, and I think that that's causing a

410
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 5: lot of the major labels to kind of place their

411
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 5: spotlight on these growing subgenres on music Gamhikhana, on them Bo,

412
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 5: on all of these different subgenres are sort of popping up,

413
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 5: and they're definitely taking the time to research and invest,

414
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 5: and it's popping up quite a bit. A lot of

415
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 5: artists are choosing to stay independent now and major labels,

416
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 5: which is a development. I think again that it all

417
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,440
Speaker 5: comes down to streaming.

418
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,640
Speaker 3: Really Okay, so you think that it's still just as success.

419
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 3: You think it's even more successful to not have a

420
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,400
Speaker 3: record label in because of streaming.

421
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 5: I think that's a debate that's ongoing in the music

422
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 5: industry right now. A lot of artists are choosing to

423
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 5: stay independent and sign, you know, with a distribution company.

424
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 5: Sign is a publishing deal signed, you know, they have

425
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 5: their own independent publicist and they do it all on

426
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 5: their own, just to have ownership of their music and

427
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 5: the artistic direction. I'm not saying that, you know, that's

428
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 5: like what's happening in an overhaul, but I'm noticing now

429
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 5: that there's a lot more indie artists that are charting.

430
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 5: For example, Flumento Chris MJ are all indie artists that

431
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 5: have chosen to stay independent. Pus Plum is another one

432
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 5: that's chosen to stay independent. I think because streaming has

433
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 5: just completely changed the way that people are getting paid.

434
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 5: So so that's that's where the shift is happening. Am

435
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 5: I saying that major labels are cook put and it's

436
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 5: not it's over. It's definitely not that. But there's definitely

437
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 5: been a shift, I think with a popularity in the

438
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 5: rise and popularity of all of these subgenres that are

439
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 5: popping out and having huge numbers out of seemingly nowhere.

440
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think, you know, to that point.

441
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 2: So when you think about these artists that are charting

442
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 2: and that are making really big gains in streaming, I

443
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 2: think one word that defines and describes kind of who

444
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 2: they are as artists is authentic, right. Authenticity is kind

445
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 2: of at the core to finding success. And you know,

446
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 2: we've done enough of these episodes to know that a

447
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 2: lot of times, you know, these artists get put through

448
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 2: the ringer and they're trying to make them fit into

449
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: some type of Latin artists whatever that sound they think

450
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 2: is going to be, you know, like charting or popular

451
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 2: or digestible for mainstream audiences.

452
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: You know, I think about all.

453
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 2: Of the struggles that our girl Shakiro went through right

454
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 2: in the beginning, It's like they were just trying to

455
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 2: make her fit. And obviously back then you didn't have

456
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: a choice to stay independent. It kind of had to

457
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: go to a label, and so you had to take

458
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: a few punches because you're like, Okay, I'll make two

459
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: shitty albums for them, but then I'm going to do

460
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 2: my album.

461
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: And you used to have to make those deals.

462
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 2: And so I think what is so beautiful about these

463
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: newer generation icons is they've kind of seen the mistakes

464
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: that our older icons have made and said, oh fuck that, Like, no,

465
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: you know, I don't have to do that. And so

466
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 2: I think that's what's happening in the music space right

467
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 2: now is that authenticity cells It always has problem is

468
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 2: it's hard to be commercial and authentic, and streaming allows you,

469
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 2: I think, to really do that. So speaking of that,

470
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: knowing that authenticity is so important to audiences, when you

471
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 2: think about the future of Latin music, what's the next

472
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 2: sound that you think is going to break big?

473
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 5: Oh that's such a good question, oh proressure.

474
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it could be a hybrid.

475
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 2: I know, I feel like so much of what we

476
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: love is always you know, everything is derivative. These days,

477
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: it's rarely that like some new sound comes up. It's

478
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: more kind of like, oh, it'd be really interesting to

479
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: hear this and that, so is there a baby of

480
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: two sounds even that you feel is kind of new

481
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 2: and next in music. I don't even want to call

482
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 2: it Latin music because it's not Latin music. It's just

483
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: in music.

484
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 4: Yes, thank you, thank you.

485
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 3: That that part is just something that needs to be

486
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 3: really like, it's in music.

487
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 4: It's here, it's in our charts. If it's in our charts,

488
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 4: it's just music, yes.

489
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 5: No question. Yeah, for sure. There's like a ton of

490
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 5: little just bubbling moments that I've sort of been keeping

491
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 5: an eye on for the last couple of months. I

492
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 5: think that women are going to step up in the

493
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 5: realm of Goombia pop really uh successful rising Kumbia pop

494
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 5: girls like a Steavy or a Stevie. She She's just

495
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 5: put out a song with Pcano that if you guys

496
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 5: I haven't heard.

497
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 4: It, you should hear it because it's I know it's STV,

498
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 4: but I don't know this song.

499
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 5: Yes, she's been like amazing. There's just like a bunch

500
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 5: of Kumbia pop girls that are like popping out of

501
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 5: Texas specifically that I've been kind of keeping my eye on.

502
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, bitch, I'm telling you, Texas is a spot.

503
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 5: Definitely is it? Definitely is. It's spreading a lot of

504
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 5: news stars. And then I would also say, like in

505
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 5: the realm of like Lega don there's a lot of

506
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 5: maleggathon and Latin trap and hip hop coming out of

507
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 5: Cheatin Argentina that we should keep an.

508
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: Eye Wow, Chaid not what I expected.

509
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 5: Yes, Yeah, Floyd Minor and Chris I'm Jay, which they,

510
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 5: in my opinion, had the Latin song of the summer.

511
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 5: They hadn't Got That Only, which is like a huge

512
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 5: song on TikTok.

513
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 3: I'm going to listen to it right now as I

514
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 3: get ready to go to Happy Hour.

515
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: Wait, hold on, I'm the Elder is like completely out

516
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: of the loop.

517
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: What's the song called.

518
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 5: It's called Gat That Only. Okay, it's a song. And

519
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 5: these artists, the two of them, they're separate, they're not

520
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 5: a duo or anything, but they have been just releasing

521
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 5: like NonStop bangers for the whole summer and they keep

522
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 5: blowing up on TikTok. I believe Got That Only is

523
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 5: like in the top forty of the Hot one hundred

524
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 5: currently which is crazy because the Hot one hundred is

525
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 5: all genre inclusive. So yeah, there's like a lot going on,

526
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 5: pretty much like in every aspect where you look at

527
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 5: Latin music, there's a lot of really good stuff happening

528
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 5: in a lot of cross genre of pollination that's really

529
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 5: really interesting.

530
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 3: It's a really good time to have a music podcast.

531
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: I would say that, now, can I ask you what

532
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: could be considered a controversial question?

533
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 5: Do it ready, let's go.

534
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: I've actually been thinking about this question all season, and

535
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: there were times when I wanted to bring it up

536
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know what, let's wait till

537
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: the end, and I think you're the perfect person to

538
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: ask this, Okay. So we talked about authenticity and you know,

539
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: lived experience and what it's like to sing about our

540
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 2: culture when you grew up in our culture, when you

541
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: are the gold buddha as. This music finds popularity globally

542
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: because we are a global genre, right.

543
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: People consume this music from all.

544
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 2: Over the world, like Australia, the Philippine, Japan.

545
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: How would you feel.

546
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: If an artist out of let's just say Korea, right,

547
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: wanted to do Cumbia or wanted to do Gorridos because

548
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 2: as music evolves and becomes more mainstream, like think about it,

549
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: Like we have Korean rappers, Okay, we have Japanese rappers, right,

550
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: so rap was born. I mean I think New York

551
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: is the home of rap, right and as like, and

552
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 2: you saw that happen when people were like, oh, he's.

553
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: A rapper from like the South, that's a different type

554
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: of rap.

555
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: He's not authentic, right, He's not like from Queens, He's

556
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,959
Speaker 2: not from Brooklyn, He's not jay Z. But as music

557
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: gets bigger and bigger and you decentralize the sound because

558
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 2: we're on a global stage, how do we as Latinos

559
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 2: feel about other people that are not part of our

560
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: gold Buddha doing their version of gumbia gorridos mariachi? Like

561
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 2: where are we in that space? Are we accepting? Are

562
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 2: we side eyeing? And I'm not saying that I have

563
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 2: an answer. I just this is a question that I

564
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: always think about because I see the power of our culture.

565
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: I see how other people want a piece of it. Like,

566
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 2: I mean, you could literally be anywhere and like Satza

567
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: comes on and everybody in the bar is happy.

568
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: I don't care where you are.

569
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: I don't care if you speak the language like, we

570
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: have such an innate joy to the sounds of our

571
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: culture that people want to be a part of it.

572
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: So are we going to let everyone in?

573
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 5: This might be a hot take, but I feel like

574
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 5: we should. Like I feel like, at the end of

575
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 5: the day, there's nothing wrong with good music. Emphasis I'd good.

576
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 5: It has to be a good quality music. But I

577
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 5: think that it's I mean, it's definitely it's happening. Like

578
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 5: I spoke to Carol g for when she released my.

579
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 4: Ex me Casual.

580
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: I was talking to my girl, car Got and I

581
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: were on the phone, I'm texting, but.

582
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I interviewed her for My MANA Saidawlitos was a

583
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 5: huge album, but she has always included a gorrillo in

584
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 5: her albums even though she's from Columbia. And I asked

585
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 5: her about how she feels about that, and she's like, honestly, like,

586
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 5: I'm I get scared every single time I put out

587
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 5: a good though, every single time I put out it

588
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 5: on the song, because I'm scared that people are going

589
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 5: to be like, you're not part of the culture, Like

590
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 5: you're appropriating the culture, you know, And I just don't

591
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 5: think that that's you know, how I don't think that's

592
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 5: ever even like been brought it up in conversation, because

593
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 5: she does it so well, and I think she does

594
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 5: it with such respect and admiration for the culture. She

595
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 5: invites you know, Mexican musicians to come and perform the

596
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 5: songs with her on tour. So I think, you know,

597
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 5: when it's done with respect, when it's done correctly and

598
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 5: it's a good quality song, or you know, project like,

599
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 5: of course we'll welcome that.

600
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: I love that answer well because also like we also did,

601
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: like you know, take some sounds from like Poka music

602
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: and totally you know, our own music is totally fucking

603
00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: a mix of shit.

604
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm here for the Korean cumbias whatever.

605
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god, can you imagine a K pop K

606
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: band with down corridos and cumbias?

607
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 4: I mean lots of dancing.

608
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: Right, lots of choreo, lots of really good choreo totally,

609
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: and some major looks and some major looks.

610
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 5: All right.

611
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: I want to get to some games because this is

612
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: kind of one of my favorite parts of wrapping up

613
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: the season.

614
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: We want to know how well you know are icons?

615
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: Are you guys ready ready?

616
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 4: All right?

617
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to read you guys a question, you give

618
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: me the answer. Is it a B or C? All right?

619
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: What is Vicente Fernandez's most stream song on Spotify as

620
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: of this month September twenty twenty four. Oh jeez, is

621
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: it volvert Volvert or on me on the Prima Vedes.

622
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: I would say the second one, I think.

623
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm gonna put my guests in for the last

624
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 5: one was on me on the Prima Vedras. Uh huh,

625
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 5: I'm gonna put my guests in for that one. I

626
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 5: think she's good.

627
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: She died.

628
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, well obviously.

629
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 5: Wait, so wow, I thought I was stuck between now

630
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 5: and volverat I feel like those.

631
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: I thought it was vulnerable. I was shocked, I know.

632
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean again, It's the thing. It's like

633
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: you think about these icons. You're like, who's streaming resented

634
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: for months? Right?

635
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 4: Really?

636
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: And it's like twenty two point six millions streams much?

637
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: And you're like, what, I haven't even heard that song

638
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: since I was like seventeen.

639
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: Okay, next question, what is Los Bigres del Norte concert

640
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: attendance record? And fyi, they just broke their own record

641
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: earlier this year at the Houston Livestock show and Rodeo.

642
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: Is it seventy five thousand fans, twenty thousand fans or

643
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand fans one hundred and fifty.

644
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 5: Oh gosh, that's a lot of people, though.

645
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: I wonder if you do that, Joseph, you don't have

646
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: any people? What stadium? What stadium holds one fifty?

647
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 4: Bitch? You said the Houston Livestock Show. That's a lot

648
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 4: of space. That's a ranch.

649
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: It's like, that's a lot of cowboys.

650
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 4: That's whatever. They one hundred and fifty.

651
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 5: Okay, for the sake of competition, I'll do seventy five.

652
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: Damn she is two for two. Seventy five.

653
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: Hate playing. This is the worst game ever.

654
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, okay. I feel like Joseph this one.

655
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like you can.

656
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: Get this one. Okay ready.

657
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: Carlos Santana obviously we know him for his insane skills

658
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: on the guitar, But what was the first.

659
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: Instrument that Carlos Sentana ever played?

660
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: Was it the guitar, the violin or the baffle sextel?

661
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 5: Oh?

662
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: You know what's so sad is that I know that

663
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: I was a part of the podcast when I knew

664
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: about this, and I don't know why.

665
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 4: I just want to say, guitar.

666
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: I know that's like the obvious anthea, I'm so obvious,

667
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: but it might be.

668
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 4: But it might beat Danya big guitars.

669
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: But it might beat Danya. Fall for him.

670
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 4: Do that one. I'll do the bajo sexto and you

671
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 4: do the guitar.

672
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 5: I'll do guitar and you do baj.

673
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: See this is why we never listened to Joseph.

674
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: He will always lead you a stray, whether it's to

675
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: that fifth bar at the end of the night where

676
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: you don't need a tequila shot, or he will ruin

677
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: your perfect, undefeated record.

678
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: Sorry, guys, the answer is be the violin.

679
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 4: No, he really was the violin. Yes, he does these games.

680
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 4: They're very sneaky.

681
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: I don't know these damn producers, these damn producers.

682
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: Is okay?

683
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 4: All right?

684
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: Should we do a little true or false? So there

685
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 2: are some wild facts about some of our icons, and

686
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: it's up to us to figure out if it's true

687
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: or made up. Now, by the way, I don't know

688
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: the answers here, so we're all playing together, okay, okay.

689
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: So the first fact is that Selena our girl. And

690
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: by the way, we mean Selena like like, o g

691
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: baby Selena, like.

692
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 5: Okay, not the Queen Selina.

693
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, Quequeen Queen, Queen la Reina.

694
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: Okay, Lorena had a collection of over five hundred Faberge eggs.

695
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 4: What that's very nightties.

696
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: I feel like she'd be collecting eggs. She was like

697
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: a kid, y'all. That's like an old lady, Bobby. I

698
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 1: love that, and I'm an old lady and I don't

699
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: need to do that shit.

700
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 5: Oh my god. But I feel like that's so random

701
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 5: that it has to be true.

702
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would say it was totally true, because

703
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: why the fuck would Selena have Who would make up

704
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 3: a ship like that about Selena Quintania.

705
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: Like ever, I feel like it's more likely that Abraham

706
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 2: had a collection of Faberge eggs and.

707
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: Tried to pass it on to Selena.

708
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 4: But wait, is it true?

709
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: Okay, well what do we say? We say it's true?

710
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: We say true. I think it's true. Oh true, Okay, ready, fuck.

711
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 4: It's true.

712
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: Really so weird, it's so weird that you're right. When

713
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 2: it's so weird, it has to be right. And by

714
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 2: the way, if anybody would like to visit said collection.

715
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: Now you can actually visit it in Selena's Corpus Christian Museum.

716
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 4: All five hundred eggs are in there.

717
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 1: Wait, should we take a class trip.

718
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 4: We're going to Corpus. Pack it up, Donya, let's go

719
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 4: all right? Ready?

720
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: True or false? Celia Cruz is now on the back

721
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: of a US quarter.

722
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 4: I know the answer to this, me too.

723
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: Hold on a second, hold on, hold on, hold on,

724
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: hold on, Okay, hold on a second. So I need

725
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: I need more information because like, did they put they

726
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: just put this quarter through during the Bidens administration, or

727
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: like did this are they? I need a year because

728
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 2: there's no way fucking Cheeto allowed this to happen under

729
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 2: his administration. So I feel like if it happened in

730
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: the last four years, then it's true.

731
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 3: There is is there a date that you well, no, Well,

732
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 3: here's the thing I'll tell you because I know the answer.

733
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 4: It's true.

734
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 5: Yes, it's true. I also I remember I wrote about

735
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 5: it for work, so it's true.

736
00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 4: Oh there you go.

737
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: Then, okay.

738
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: So kind of a signature series that we do here

739
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: on becoming an icon is we really lean on our

740
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: guests for musical recommendations As a writer, you have like

741
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: your hand on the pulse of like everything that is

742
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 2: happening when it comes to music. So what we like

743
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,959
Speaker 2: to do is take something that we're comfortable in, whether

744
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: it's like your favorite like Mana song or Santana song,

745
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: and kind of push our listeners to try something a

746
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: little bit different. So we are going to say, see

747
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: thee gusta blank, tegustadiya something else.

748
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, told time, me go get my pen and paper.

749
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

750
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 2: I always tell people grab your notes ap or grab

751
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 2: your pen and paper, because this is where you get

752
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: to curate the best playlist ever.

753
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: Like we learn so much from these. Joseph and I

754
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: walk away.

755
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: Saying, okay, we need to have more of these guys

756
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: and girls on our playlist. So yeah, now that I

757
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 2: give in you a moment, get ready to take notes.

758
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: Kastania is about to school y'all ready. Okay, see thee

759
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: Gusta rock in Espanol, Momna or Santana they study.

760
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, Chicano Batman, which if you're from La, those are

761
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 5: like our people. Chicano Batman is like I would say,

762
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 5: more Santana than than Mana, and they're kind of like

763
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 5: a little bit sublimey as well. That's a little bit

764
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 5: like they're so so so good. They're from La and

765
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 5: they're awesome. They just played the Forum like a couple

766
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 5: of months ago. It was the first time playing the Forum,

767
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 5: and it was like a really good show, all.

768
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: Right, Sipe, Gusta scoochad legends like Willi Colon and Wangabiel.

769
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 4: Check out that's tough.

770
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 5: That Yeah, that one stopped me for a minute because like,

771
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 5: I feel like there's nobody really doing ballads or like

772
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 5: salt some music justice these days.

773
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 4: There's not There's Mark Anthony. Where is Mark Anthony?

774
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: No, we need Mark Anthony Junior.

775
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: We need like the bestl Bluma version of Mark Anthony.

776
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 4: That would be so cute. He's so.

777
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 5: But I did I do have one. It's a little

778
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 5: bit left field, but I would say, you know, if

779
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 5: you like sauce music, if you like ballads, like definitely

780
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 5: check out Monda Ferte. She's amazing. She her album was

781
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 5: nominated for Album of the Year at the Latin Grammys

782
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 5: this morning the nominations came out, and she sort of

783
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 5: pushes the boundaries of like Sansa and Boston Nova and

784
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 5: Don and it's really really beautiful. The album that she

785
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 5: put out is called and it's a concept album. It's very,

786
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 5: very thorough. It's long, but it's definitely worth checking out.

787
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 5: And there's some great like prell on there.

788
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 3: Oh you know, I love to throw that ass back.

789
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: Okay, well, speaking of throwing that ass, if you like

790
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: to throw your ass old school like Daddy Yankee's way,

791
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: what are you going?

792
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: What else are you going to? Like give us something else?

793
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 5: I feel like this is like a very obvious one,

794
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 5: but I'm going to say it anyways because I am

795
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 5: a huge fan fade f e I d he's actually

796
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 5: Carol Gee's.

797
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: Oh he's Carol GE's boyfriend.

798
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 5: Yes with me?

799
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: Are we still girl? Are we really?

800
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 5: I don't know. I just I was trained to stay

801
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 5: allegedly after like everything, so here I am.

802
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean I was there.

803
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: She was like celebrating his birthday on stage when we

804
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: were like in Pasadena at.

805
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: The Rose Bowl.

806
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: Like, if they're not together, then my husband and I

807
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 2: aren't married and we've been married seventeen years okay, and

808
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: we have a child together, so wow.

809
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 4: So Fake Yeah.

810
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 5: Has like the best tagotone bangers. I think he's like

811
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 5: at the top of his game for sure. Checkout faed.

812
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: Well here's the thing.

813
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: One day we'll take a wild field trip to an

814
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: underground federal party and Danya is leading the charge.

815
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what we're gonna do.

816
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 4: Now.

817
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: I have to say thank you so much for being

818
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 2: here for our season finale.

819
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: We have loved talking with you, Tanya.

820
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: Please share with our listeners where can we find you

821
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: and what are you working on right now?

822
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 5: I am working on a lot of good stuff as

823
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 5: we sort of towards the end of the year, a

824
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 5: lot of life best of lists. So I'm thinking about

825
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 5: best albums of the year, best singles of the year,

826
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 5: best new artists of the year.

827
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 4: So lucky to have you with us, and.

828
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 5: I'm so happy to be here. But yeah, so that's

829
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 5: kind of what I'm spending my time on right now,

830
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 5: and you can catch that on my socials. I'm at

831
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 5: ty Wright.

832
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: Everywhere it's t y E w R I T E perfect.

833
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 3: We are quickly following, follow like and share everybody follow like.

834
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: Share, Monetize. I always add monetize.

835
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: It's very important, very important. Well, it's been lovely to

836
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: meet you.

837
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for sharing all of that knowledge,

838
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: and I will see you at that underground.

839
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 5: But party period. Bye hie, guys, thank you.

840
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 3: You know, I really really can't believe it is now

841
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: the end of season two, Like, not only have we

842
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 3: been best used for so long, but now we are

843
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 3: wrapping up season two of this of learning so much

844
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 3: about kind of our own culture and remembering our separate

845
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 3: lives but together.

846
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 4: It feels so weird. What do you see?

847
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 3: You know?

848
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 1: It's so interesting.

849
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: I feel like when we start each season, I feel

850
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: like the world.

851
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: Is our oyster. We can talk about anything. Then we

852
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: get to the end of a season and I'm like, wait,

853
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 1: we still have so much more to say.

854
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: We didn't get to do enough episodes about Mana or

855
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: I want to do another episode today given all of

856
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: the Mana news that we've heard. And so I think

857
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: that's the beautiful thing about covering music and culture is

858
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: that there's always going to be more to say. The

859
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: conversation doesn't end because our season ends, right, And that's

860
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 2: what's so beautiful about being able to experience music as kids,

861
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: as adolescents, as teenagers, as grown ups because the conversation

862
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: is always changing around it. And I think we're so

863
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: lucky to be able to have these conversations not.

864
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: Just with each other, but with you, guys, our listeners.

865
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: And I think one thing I don't often say enough

866
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: is thank you for listening. Thank you for your dms,

867
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: thank you for downloading our episodes, thank you for supporting

868
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: our show. I hope that when you're listening to us,

869
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: you feel like you're at Margs with us, and that

870
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: we're not just talking to you, because we really do

871
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: it for you, guys. We love to invite you in

872
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: and as you're learning, we're learning. Like Please don't think

873
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: that we're any kind of like music experts, because we're not.

874
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: Half the time the time, we're learning just like you are.

875
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: And I think that's what's so beautiful about music is

876
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: that there's always more to learn. And I think that's

877
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 2: what's so great about our icons. There's always more to learn,

878
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: more to love, more to pass judgment all because sometimes

879
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: we do judge them, and also more to you know,

880
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: have conversations about in the future. So thanks you guys

881
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: for sticking with us for two seasons. And if you

882
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: love the show as much as we love the show,

883
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: please share it with a friend and we'll see you

884
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: guys soon.

885
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: Lastly, I want to thank you, Liliana for having me.

886
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 3: We've done seventy episodes, like, I want to thank you

887
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 3: so much for having me. This has been so much fun.

888
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 3: This is kind of historical. I mean we're talking and

889
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: diving into things that we didn't even know and that,

890
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: like you said, this is kind of evergreen.

891
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 4: It's always going to be happening.

892
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 3: So thank you for bringing me along this amazing journey

893
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: and we'll see if season three happens.

894
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much for joining us. And of

895
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: course you can follow Joseph and I on social media.

896
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: I am at Liliana Vasquez across TikTok and Instagram.

897
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 3: And I'm at Joseph Garrio that's c A R R

898
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: I L l O on Instagram.

899
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: Becoming an Icon is presented by Sonoo and Iheart's Michael

900
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: Duda podcast Network. Listen to Becoming an Icon on the

901
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.