WEBVTT - Season 09 Episode 22: Dwell Among the Bones

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<v Speaker 1>Hope to see you there. Please note this episode contains

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<v Speaker 1>disturbing scenes of attempted murder. Parental discretion is advised. In

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<v Speaker 1>the winter of nineteen ninety four, in eastern Indiana, a

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen year old boy plays in a patch of woodland

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<v Speaker 1>that runs alongside his family's farm. About fifty yards from

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<v Speaker 1>their porch, he spots something strange protruding from the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>It's some kind of bone. As he draws near, it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes increasingly clear that what he is looking at is

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, part of an entire human skeleton, loosely covered

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<v Speaker 1>over with red dirt. In horror, he calls for his

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<v Speaker 1>mother to come and see it. Together. The boy Eric

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<v Speaker 1>and his mother Julie, look down at the grim specimen

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<v Speaker 1>and wonder how on earth that came to rest on

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<v Speaker 1>their land. The Baumeisters had lived on the property for

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<v Speaker 1>seven years and have been no mention of a graveyard

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<v Speaker 1>or any hint of anything untoward. Before the skeleton appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to be complete. Only the skull was attached. To Julie,

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<v Speaker 1>it looked like, whoever the persons, they just laid down

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<v Speaker 1>there and died. Julie told Eric to go back inside

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<v Speaker 1>and resolved to speak to her husband later about what

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<v Speaker 1>to do with it. Thankfully, it was all a big misunderstanding.

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<v Speaker 1>When Eric's father, Herb, returns to the farm that evening,

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<v Speaker 1>he's able to explain everything. It isn't a real skeleton,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, but an anatomical model that once belonged to

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<v Speaker 1>his father, a professional anesthesiologist. When his old man died.

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<v Speaker 1>He tells them that skeleton passed down to him, but

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<v Speaker 1>he'd always thought it was creepy, so he decided to

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<v Speaker 1>bury it. The weather and wild animals must have unearthed it. Herb, says,

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<v Speaker 1>a reassured Eric believes his father, and so does Julie.

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<v Speaker 1>For now, anyway, you're listening to Unexplained, and I'm Richard

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<v Speaker 1>mc lean smith. On a balmy summer evening in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety four in central Indianapolis, Mark Goodyear made his way

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<v Speaker 1>through a hot, dimly lit bar as music throbbed all around.

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<v Speaker 1>The five oh one Club was a gay bar popular

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<v Speaker 1>among bears and leather men, but the man staring intently

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<v Speaker 1>at the poster on the wall was neither of those.

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<v Speaker 1>The poster showed a picture of Mark's friend Roger allan

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<v Speaker 1>goodlot who had not been seen by any one since July.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know him? Said Mark, leaning in to be

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<v Speaker 1>heard over the noise. The man turned. He had soft,

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<v Speaker 1>puppy doggish eyes and seemed older but oddly youthful, like

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<v Speaker 1>he'd never quite lost the child in his face. He

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of cute, thought Mark, No, said the man.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a brief, awkward silence before the stranger finally

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<v Speaker 1>introduced himself off. His name was Brian, Brian smart, he said.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark couldn't help but smile at how formal he was,

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<v Speaker 1>but he hadn't seen him there before and was intrigued.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian offered to buy Mark a drink, and before long

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<v Speaker 1>the pair had fallen into easy conversation. As closing time approached,

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<v Speaker 1>the older man asked Mark if he'd liked to go

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<v Speaker 1>on somewhere else. As it turned out, Brian's boss was away,

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<v Speaker 1>but he had a key to his home. They could

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<v Speaker 1>sneak in and use the pool if he liked. Mark

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't in the habit of going off with Brandon strangers,

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<v Speaker 1>but it did seem like a fun idea. There was

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<v Speaker 1>just one thing, though. It was just a rumor, really,

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<v Speaker 1>but some people in the community had begun to wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if they were being targeted by a serial killer, since

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<v Speaker 1>a number of gay men seemed to have gone missing

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<v Speaker 1>from the area in the past few years, including Mark's

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<v Speaker 1>friend Roger. Mark looked Brian and his sparkly puppy dog eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>What the hell. He thought. The pair was soon heading

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<v Speaker 1>north out of the city in Brian's car and into

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<v Speaker 1>the suburbs of Hamilton County, but as the roads got

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<v Speaker 1>narrower and darker, Mark began to get nervous, until eventually

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<v Speaker 1>Brian turned onto an unpaved rural road. Mark glimpsed a

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<v Speaker 1>sign bearing the word farm, but before he could read

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<v Speaker 1>it all, Brian turned again into a long driveway which

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<v Speaker 1>led up to the house. Getting out of the car,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark was relieved to see it was every inch as

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<v Speaker 1>impressive as Brian had made it seem. It was practically

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<v Speaker 1>a mansion and entirely dark in side. Brian, perhaps sensing

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<v Speaker 1>Mark's nerves, gave him a smile and nodded for him

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<v Speaker 1>to follow. Brian led Mark toward the garage, explaining that

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<v Speaker 1>the power to most of the house was off, but

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<v Speaker 1>the basement where the pool was would be well lit.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark felt another pang of anxiety as he followed Brian

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<v Speaker 1>through the darkness into the bowels of the mansion, where,

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<v Speaker 1>to his immense relief, Brian finally flicked on the lights

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<v Speaker 1>to reveal a swimming pool. Mark's anxiety turned to excitement

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<v Speaker 1>as he stripped off and jumped into the pool. When

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<v Speaker 1>he came up, a dense cloud of fog hung around

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<v Speaker 1>him above the heated water. The men falled about for

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<v Speaker 1>a bit, then Brian suddenly turned to Mark and said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to see a trick? Sure, said Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>a little confused, as Brian reached for a length of

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<v Speaker 1>pool hose floating near by. Brian drifted closer to Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>then told him to turn around. Mark laughed nervously as

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<v Speaker 1>Brian draped the rubber hose around his own. Brian asked

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<v Speaker 1>Mark if he'd ever tried auto asphyxiation, how cutting off

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<v Speaker 1>blood supply to the brain could intensify an orgasm. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>slowly it began to tighten the hose around Mark's neck.

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<v Speaker 1>Feeling more uncomfortable than aroused, Mark went with it at first,

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<v Speaker 1>but Brian kept squeezing tighter and tighter until Mark began

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<v Speaker 1>struggling to breathe. He grabbed at the hose and fought

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<v Speaker 1>to tell Brian to stop, but he couldn't get the

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<v Speaker 1>words out. He flailed frantically in the water, desperate to

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<v Speaker 1>get free, but Brian held firm. Finally, in a moment

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<v Speaker 1>of terror struck lucidity, Mark allowed his body to fall

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<v Speaker 1>limp and pretended to pass out. Then Brian released him.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark's mind was racing. Convinced he was in the company

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<v Speaker 1>of a very dangerous man and miles away from safety,

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<v Speaker 1>he determined that the best way to get through to

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<v Speaker 1>dawn was just to play along, So when he feigned

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<v Speaker 1>coming back to consciousness, he just smiled as if nothing

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<v Speaker 1>had happened. For the next few hours, he pretended to

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<v Speaker 1>drink and return Brian's flirtations, until at last the older

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<v Speaker 1>man passed out on a couch. In the morning, Brian

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<v Speaker 1>drove Mark back to his car in the city. Once

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<v Speaker 1>free from Brian, Mark went straight to the police to

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<v Speaker 1>report his assault and to tell them that the man

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<v Speaker 1>responsible might have something to do with all the men

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<v Speaker 1>who'd gone missing recently, but the police seemed to have

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<v Speaker 1>little interest in getting involved. It didn't help that Mark

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't give accurate directions to the house or any important details.

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<v Speaker 1>In the end, they simply told Mark to keep an

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<v Speaker 1>eye out for the man and noticed Eisen's plate number

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<v Speaker 1>if he got the chance. It was a long shot,

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<v Speaker 1>but almost a full year later, in August nineteen ninety five,

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<v Speaker 1>the man calling himself Brian Smart came back to the

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<v Speaker 1>five oh one club, and Mark was there to note

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<v Speaker 1>his license plate. The police traced the car to one

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<v Speaker 1>Herbert Richard Baumeister, or Herb to his friends, the owner

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<v Speaker 1>of a patch of land in nearby Westfield, where he

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<v Speaker 1>lived with his wife Julie and son Eric. It was

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<v Speaker 1>called Fox Hollow Farm. When the police first tried to

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<v Speaker 1>search the farm without a warrant, Herb and Julie denied

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<v Speaker 1>the entry, but by then Julie was becoming increasingly frightened

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<v Speaker 1>of Herb's behavior, and in nineteen ninety six she filed

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<v Speaker 1>for divorce. Though the image of that supposed model skeleton

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<v Speaker 1>that Eric had found in the woods back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety four had never quite left her, it was only

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<v Speaker 1>then that she felt brave enough to do something about it.

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<v Speaker 1>While Herb was away, she called the police and gave

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<v Speaker 1>them permission to search the property. Over several days, the

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<v Speaker 1>authorities unearthed over five thousand separate bone fragments from the grounds,

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<v Speaker 1>including complete skeletons of eleven men. Eight of them were

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<v Speaker 1>identified as men reported missing and last seen in bars

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<v Speaker 1>in Indianapolis. It turned out that Herb had been bringing

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<v Speaker 1>men back to his house for years, whenever Julie and

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<v Speaker 1>Eric were elsewhere visiting family, he strangled them all to

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<v Speaker 1>death in the poll room. When the news got out,

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<v Speaker 1>herb fled across the border to Ontario. In a park

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<v Speaker 1>on the shore of Lake Heron, he put a bullet

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<v Speaker 1>through his brain. He left a note that he felt

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<v Speaker 1>terrible about his failed marriage, that he was sorry for

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<v Speaker 1>making a disturbance in the park, and that he had

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<v Speaker 1>intended to take his own life elsewhere, but didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to upset a gang of children playing nearby. Over the

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<v Speaker 1>next decade, Fox Hollow Farm languished empty and abandoned under

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<v Speaker 1>the ownership of an anonymous developer. In two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 1>it was listed on the market for two point eight

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars, just over five million by today's money. By

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six, it had been dropped to one million,

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<v Speaker 1>but no matter how low the asking price fell, no

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<v Speaker 1>one in the local community was willing to make a

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<v Speaker 1>home amid such hideous history. Vicki and Rob Graves were

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<v Speaker 1>a married couple on the cusp of middle age, looking

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<v Speaker 1>for a country base to raise their two teenage sons.

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<v Speaker 1>While searching for prospects close to the site, of Rob's

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<v Speaker 1>new car dealership. They came across a listing for Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Hollow Farm and couldn't believe that it hadn't already been

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<v Speaker 1>snapped up. They cooed over its eleven thousand square feet

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<v Speaker 1>of rooms, along with its several outbuildings. Built from solid

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<v Speaker 1>stone and finished in an ornate mock Tudor style. The

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<v Speaker 1>manicured lawns were dotted with sculpted hedges and flowed into

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<v Speaker 1>the surrounding eighteen acres of prime horse pasture. But as

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<v Speaker 1>Vicki and Rob toured the property with the realtor, they

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<v Speaker 1>shared a knowing look. What's the catch? Vicki asked. Rob

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<v Speaker 1>was about to ask the same question when something came

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<v Speaker 1>to him, a fragment of memory, a story he'd seen

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<v Speaker 1>on the news about a farm outside the city and

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<v Speaker 1>the bones of missing men. This is that killer's house,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it? He said, with nowhere to hide. The realtor

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed Rob's suspicions. For some, the farm's history might have

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<v Speaker 1>been a red line, but for the Graves, both skeptical

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<v Speaker 1>practical people, the debate was more economic than spiritual. Vicky

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<v Speaker 1>and Rob discussed it over the following days before finally

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<v Speaker 1>making an offer. It was eagerly accepted, and the Graves

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<v Speaker 1>soon moved in. Compared to the frenzy of city life,

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<v Speaker 1>Fox Hollow Farm was idyllic at first. The kids loved

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<v Speaker 1>the expansive grounds and the heated indoor pool, which they'd

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<v Speaker 1>often come into straight from playing outside, much to Vickie's annoyance.

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<v Speaker 1>One morning, just a few weeks after moving in, Vickie

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<v Speaker 1>was once more hoovering dirt from the pool site when

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<v Speaker 1>her vacuum cleaner cut out. Tracing the line of the

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<v Speaker 1>power cable to the wall, she saw that the plug

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<v Speaker 1>had come out of the socket. She pushed it back

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<v Speaker 1>in and returned to the task, ensuring there was plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of slack this time for her to work with. But

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<v Speaker 1>seconds later the vacuum cut out again. Vicki stared at

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<v Speaker 1>the plug that was once again lying several inches from

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<v Speaker 1>the wall, though the cable had never tightened and she

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<v Speaker 1>had not moved anywhere near far enough for it to

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<v Speaker 1>fall out. Confused, Vicki once more reinserted the plug and

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<v Speaker 1>returned to the hoover. As it was told later, when

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<v Speaker 1>she switched it on again, she kept her gaze fixed

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<v Speaker 1>on the socket, and watched aghast as the plug flew

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<v Speaker 1>out of it and skidded across the tiles, having seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>been wrenched out by an invisible force. Vicki almost didn't

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<v Speaker 1>believe it herself, as she explained it all to a

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<v Speaker 1>skeptical Rob later that day. Realizing how silly it sounded,

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<v Speaker 1>Vickie tried to forget about it, unsure what it was

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<v Speaker 1>she'd seen exactly. A few days later, Vicki and Rob

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<v Speaker 1>as said to have been in the garden making a

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<v Speaker 1>list of all the work that needed to be done

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<v Speaker 1>to the house's exterior. Rob was at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>a ladder inspecting the gutters when Vicki suddenly sensed something

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<v Speaker 1>moving fast toward the tree line, as it was claimed later,

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<v Speaker 1>she looked over to see a young man dressed in

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<v Speaker 1>a striking red shirt. Vicky called out to him, but

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<v Speaker 1>the man didn't flinch, just kept moving in a straight

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<v Speaker 1>line toward the woods. She was about to call out

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<v Speaker 1>again in irritation when she felt a sudden rush of adrenaline.

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<v Speaker 1>The man's legs were missing from the thighs down, just

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<v Speaker 1>a few inches below the untucked hem of his shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>There was nothing having quickly told Rob what she'd seen.

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<v Speaker 1>He shot down the ladder and raced over to the

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<v Speaker 1>tree line where Vicki said the man had gone. He

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<v Speaker 1>searched the property all the way to the garden fence,

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<v Speaker 1>but saw no one. Just then it occurred to Vicki

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<v Speaker 1>that whoever she'd seen had been walking toward her Baumeister's

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<v Speaker 1>burial sight. Ron wondered if it might have been one

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<v Speaker 1>of those serial killer obsessives that their friends had warned

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<v Speaker 1>them about Macarborough tourists who treated murder scenes as sights

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<v Speaker 1>of pilgrimage. Either that or Vicki had just seen a ghost,

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<v Speaker 1>he joked with a smile, but Vicki didn't smile back,

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<v Speaker 1>and it wouldn't be the last time that the man

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<v Speaker 1>in the red shirt was apparently seen on the property.

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<v Speaker 1>Beyond the farm renovations, life was going well for the Graves,

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<v Speaker 1>The kids couldn't have been happier, and Rob's dealership was thriving.

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<v Speaker 1>The only problem he was having was the tardiness of

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<v Speaker 1>one of his favorite employees, Joe LeBlanc. After one too

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<v Speaker 1>many late showings, Rob discovered that Joe lived an hour

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<v Speaker 1>from the dealership and had been struggling to get in

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<v Speaker 1>on time. As he told his boss, he was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to rent somewhere closer to work, but was struggling to

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<v Speaker 1>find anything suitable. Fox Hollow Farm had a self content

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<v Speaker 1>apartment above the garage on the far side of the property,

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<v Speaker 1>with its own kitchen and on sweet bathroom. It was

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<v Speaker 1>more than big enough for Joe and his dog, Fred,

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<v Speaker 1>so Rob offered it to him. The only problem was

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<v Speaker 1>the property's history, which Rob didn't want to hide from him. Thankfully,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe wasn't put off. If anything, as far as he

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<v Speaker 1>was concerned, it made the place even more interesting. A

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<v Speaker 1>few nights later, Joe was tossing and turning in his

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<v Speaker 1>new apartment. Deep in his unconscious mind, Joe was running

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<v Speaker 1>for his life through thick woodland. He had no idea

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<v Speaker 1>what was chasing him, only that whatever it was was

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<v Speaker 1>deeply malignant. Joe snapped awake and bolted out of bed

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<v Speaker 1>Before he realized where he was, he jumped half way

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<v Speaker 1>across the room. For the rest of the night, Joe

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<v Speaker 1>lay on the carpet with a light on, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>quiet his hammering heart, Still fighting the pressing urged to run.

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<v Speaker 1>Only when dawn came, was he finally able to find

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<v Speaker 1>sleep again. It was a few nights later, as Joe

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<v Speaker 1>was washing some dishes that he was startled by a loud,

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<v Speaker 1>rapid knocking at the front door. Joe shouted that he

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<v Speaker 1>was coming as he dried his hands on a dishcloth,

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<v Speaker 1>but the knocking continued, growing more and more intense, so

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<v Speaker 1>much so that Joe was sure it must have been

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<v Speaker 1>Rob or VICKI with an emergency. Okay, okay, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>as the knocking kept going until he turned the handle

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<v Speaker 1>and opened the door. Then all went quiet. There was

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<v Speaker 1>no one there. Joe's apartment was only reachable by a

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<v Speaker 1>switch back wooden staircase. There was no one on the

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<v Speaker 1>landing or the stairs either. Thoroughly bewildered, Joe closed the

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<v Speaker 1>door and turned to see his dog Fred standing in

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<v Speaker 1>the center of the living room, hackles raised, staring at

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<v Speaker 1>the bedroom door. Joe followed Fred's stare and jumped at

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<v Speaker 1>what appeared to be a figure hurriedly crossing the doorway.

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<v Speaker 1>Keeping Fred by his side, Joe called out for whoever

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<v Speaker 1>was there to come out. Hearing nothing in reply, he

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<v Speaker 1>steeled himself and stepped quietly toward the bedroom. Door. Then

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<v Speaker 1>he stepped inside hugely, relieved to find the room completely empty.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, he assumed he'd just been seeing things because

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<v Speaker 1>he was tired, but then he remembered the knocking too,

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<v Speaker 1>that he hadn't imagined. About a month into Joe's stay,

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<v Speaker 1>he took Fred for a night time walk around the property.

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<v Speaker 1>They just turned for home when Joe noticed that Fred

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<v Speaker 1>was no longer at his sight. Then he heard him growling.

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<v Speaker 1>Scanning the moonlit grounds, Joe saw Fred a dozen paces

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<v Speaker 1>away on the far side of the main house, near

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<v Speaker 1>the tree line. As was later claimed, Fred was standing

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<v Speaker 1>in a defensive crouch, barking at a male figure in

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<v Speaker 1>a red shirt. The man was said to be standing

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<v Speaker 1>still and facing away from Joe, looking into the woods,

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<v Speaker 1>when suddenly he spurred into movement and disappeared into the

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<v Speaker 1>labyrinth of branches and shadows. Joe shuddered when he realized

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<v Speaker 1>the man had no legs from the thighs down. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>to his dismay, Fred gave Chase with no choice but

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<v Speaker 1>to go after him. Joe had only gone a few

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<v Speaker 1>paces into the trees when he found Fred purposefully standing

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<v Speaker 1>his ground but still in some distress, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>staring directly at Joe, or, as Joe realized, with a chill,

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<v Speaker 1>at something behind him. Fred growled again. Slowly, Joe turned,

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<v Speaker 1>and there, just a foot away, stood the man in

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<v Speaker 1>the red shirt. It said that Joe, in a panic,

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<v Speaker 1>grabbed Fred and rushed straight back to his apartment, where

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<v Speaker 1>he barred the door and spent another sleepless night peering

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<v Speaker 1>out at the window at the now menacing dark of

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<v Speaker 1>the farm. Such an incident would have been enough to

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<v Speaker 1>send most people fleeing, but as Joe later said, it

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<v Speaker 1>was difficult to walk away from such a convenient situation

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<v Speaker 1>until the following night, at least once more. Late in

0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:38.480
<v Speaker 1>the evening, Joe claimed he heard a knocking at his door.

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<v Speaker 1>This time, however, the door was physically shifting in its

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<v Speaker 1>frame under the weight of the blows. When Joe finally

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<v Speaker 1>found the courage to open it once again, he found

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<v Speaker 1>the same empty landing on the other side of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Then something made him freeze. The heavy metal knocker was

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<v Speaker 1>apparently hanging suspended perpendicular to the door, as if howled

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<v Speaker 1>by an invisible hand. Joe claimed to have watched it

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<v Speaker 1>tremble in place for several seconds until it slammed down

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<v Speaker 1>heavy and loud against the wood, sending Joe jumping in

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<v Speaker 1>fright back into the apartment and slamming the door shut

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<v Speaker 1>behind him. Then he watched in horror as the door

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<v Speaker 1>handle twisted and turned for several silent seconds. A tremendous

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<v Speaker 1>blow shattered the lock and sent the door flinging violently inward.

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<v Speaker 1>In terror, Joe fled into the night and sprinted desperately

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<v Speaker 1>toward the main house, turning back to look at his apartment,

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<v Speaker 1>where the broken door yawned open. He later a claim

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<v Speaker 1>to see something standing in the doorway, a figure dressed

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<v Speaker 1>in white and dripping wet, his face contorted in pain

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<v Speaker 1>or anguish. A sound was emanating from his mouth, though

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<v Speaker 1>it was muted, Joe had no doubt the man was screaming.

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<v Speaker 1>Vicky and Rob are said to have been asleep when

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<v Speaker 1>they heard Joe pounding on the front door, clearly in distress.

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<v Speaker 1>They invited him to take a seat in the kitchen,

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<v Speaker 1>then sprink. He apparently told them about everything he'd experienced

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<v Speaker 1>so far. Vicki and Rob are said to have received

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<v Speaker 1>it all with an almost eerie calm, much to Joe's surprise,

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<v Speaker 1>But when he filled them in. On his confrontation with

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<v Speaker 1>the man in red, Vicki's face apparently went pale. The

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<v Speaker 1>three of them are said to have come to the

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<v Speaker 1>conclusion that it was one of Herb Baumeister's victims. There

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<v Speaker 1>are some who believed that malignancy reverberates that spectral after

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<v Speaker 1>shocks can occur as the result of seismically awful events,

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<v Speaker 1>that perhaps that is what happened at Fox Hollow Farm.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, who else would the apparent entities be than

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<v Speaker 1>the victims of Herb Baumeister's crimes, still lingering at the

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<v Speaker 1>site of their end. This theory was endorsed, at least

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<v Speaker 1>in Joe and the Graves's opinion, when a few days later,

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<v Speaker 1>Rob was walking through the woods when just off the

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:22.359
<v Speaker 1>trail he saw a pile of leaves that looked newly assembled.

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<v Speaker 1>Sitting plain as day on top of them was an

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<v Speaker 1>intact human femur. It would have been an astonishing find,

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<v Speaker 1>as the site had been thoroughly searched over many months,

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<v Speaker 1>with thousands of tiny bone fragments already removed and cataloged.

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<v Speaker 1>As Rob would later write, it felt to him like

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<v Speaker 1>a plea, like a victim was reaching out, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>let them know he was there. Vicky and Rob reached

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<v Speaker 1>out to the local police and arranged for the bone

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<v Speaker 1>to be taken in for testing. The lead investigator, Virgil Vandergriff,

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<v Speaker 1>took responsibility and even agreed to come out to the

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<v Speaker 1>farm to talk the graves through what had occurred there

0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:06.440
<v Speaker 1>in whatever detail he could to put their worries at rest.

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<v Speaker 1>In finding and offloading that bone, Rob, Vicki, and Joe

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 1>are said to have begun to believe that maybe they'd

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<v Speaker 1>released whatever entity remained ensnared at the farm. They thought

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<v Speaker 1>of it as an exorcism of sorts. But there was

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<v Speaker 1>one more twist to come, As Rob recounts it in

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<v Speaker 1>his book. One early afternoon, Joe was sitting at his

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen table when he apparently heard a scratching, rattling noise

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<v Speaker 1>coming from the counter behind him. Turning, he saw that

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<v Speaker 1>each of his sharp knives had been somehow taken from

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<v Speaker 1>the butcher block and laid out in a neat row

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<v Speaker 1>on the countertop. Drawing closer, he apparently saw that deep

0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:57.600
<v Speaker 1>marks had been carved underneath them. It said that Joe

0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:03.600
<v Speaker 1>instinctively thought that the scored inscription looked desperate, emotional, even angry.

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<v Speaker 1>On an impulse, he reached for his phone and hit

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<v Speaker 1>the record button, and in the silent, empty kitchen, he

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<v Speaker 1>began to ask questions, who's there? Can we help you?

0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:24.919
<v Speaker 1>But nothing came back. Then Fred began to growl, apparrenly,

0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 1>convinced that someone or something was with him in the kitchen.

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Joe is said to have repeated the question is there

0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:39.639
<v Speaker 1>anyone there? Again, to no reply. Then he ended the recording. Later,

0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Joe uploaded the file on his computer and hit playback.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Rob, as Joe sat in the lonely quiet

0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 1>of his apartment, he listened as his voice repeatedly asked questions,

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:54.400
<v Speaker 1>with only the slight hiss of ambience heard in between.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Fred's growl was hurt followed by Joe's final question

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<v Speaker 1>is anyone there? Then, from out of the silence that ensued,

0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Joe heard what sounded like a gravelly male voice. He

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 1>pulled the clip back and played it out again in astonishment.

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 1>It sounded like it was saying the married one. Excited

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:22.879
<v Speaker 1>and confused, Joe apparently took the recording to Rob and Vicki,

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<v Speaker 1>who were also convinced it was a voice, but what

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<v Speaker 1>did it mean? All the victims had been young, gay men,

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<v Speaker 1>and all single or at least unmarried. Only one person

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the Fox Hollow murders had been married. Herb Baumeister,

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<v Speaker 1>Vicky and Rob Graves stayed at Fox Hollow Farm for

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<v Speaker 1>several years after these apparent events. They claimed to have

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<v Speaker 1>had other strange occurrences, but nothing that matched the severity

0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:02.399
<v Speaker 1>of what Joe is said to have experienced, and neither

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.320
<v Speaker 1>the legless man in Red nor the drenched Man in

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 1>white were ever seen again. No one really knows how

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 1>many victims Herb Baumeister killed and put in the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>There are thousands of bone fragments, many of them too

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:22.680
<v Speaker 1>small to attribute. As of late twenty twenty five, ten

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<v Speaker 1>victims have been positively identified. Their names are Roger Goodlett,

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Howerin, Jeffrey Jones, Manuel Rosendez, Alan Livingstone, John Lee Byer,

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 1>Richard Hamilton Junior, Stephen Hale, Alan Brossard, and Michael Ken.

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<v Speaker 1>But that is just on the farm. Between nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>and nineteen ninety one, an unknown killer proud of four

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<v Speaker 1>block radius of downtown Indianapolis, at least eleven boys and

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<v Speaker 1>young men were lured from Bart's strangled and their body

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 1>discarded in the ditches and streams along Interstate seventy. They

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:08.720
<v Speaker 1>theorized that in nineteen ninety one, the killer was able

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 1>to stop disposing of the bodies by the side of

0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 1>the road because now he had a safer place to

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<v Speaker 1>put them. Was Fox Hollow Farm, the primary setting for

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<v Speaker 1>Herb Baumeister's Depravity, or just an epilog to a much

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<v Speaker 1>longer story. Like so many of the unknown horrors that

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<v Speaker 1>occur in the nightmare shadows of human history, those questions

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<v Speaker 1>seem destined to remain forever Unexplained. This episode was written

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<v Speaker 1>by Neil McRobert and Richard McLain Smith. Thank you as

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