Speaker 1: Episode four fifty seven, Ten Things You Didn't Know started
Speaker 1: as marketing campaigns.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Frugal Friends podcast, where you'll learn to
Speaker 2: save money, embrace simplicity, and live a life here your hosts,
Speaker 2: Jen and Jill.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Frugal Friends podcast. My name is Jen, my
Speaker 1: name is Jill. And today we are talking about some
Speaker 1: of the things we take for granted in our desires
Speaker 1: to buy stuff.
Speaker 3: It's so interesting looking at the origin stories of what
Speaker 3: is so commonplace for us, the things we just engage
Speaker 3: in regularly, to realize this was just invented by somebody
Speaker 3: who wanted to make more money. Yes, and they've kind
Speaker 3: of ruins everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we hope that this episode will not only
Speaker 1: entertain you, but will also get you to think about
Speaker 1: the things you take for granted in your life that
Speaker 1: you assume you want or assume you love, but is
Speaker 1: truly a product of carefully crafted marketing and just time
Speaker 1: time time telling Americans or wherever you are that this
Speaker 1: is what you should want, and we take that for
Speaker 1: grand and we don't think about it, and it can
Speaker 1: really cause us to overspend, an impulse spend in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways. So this is kind of a reality
Speaker 1: check in a fun, lighthearted way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as promised, we will give you all an
Speaker 3: update at the end of this episode on kind of
Speaker 3: how we're doing post hurricane. I know a lot of
Speaker 3: you all checked in on us since we do live
Speaker 3: in the Tampa Bay area. We are in Saint Pete
Speaker 3: and we got hit pretty heavily here, So thank you
Speaker 3: for checking in, and if you care to know, stay
Speaker 3: tuned at the end of the episode and we'll give
Speaker 3: you our little updates. But we're here, obviously you're hearing
Speaker 3: our voices. So we lived in Bacon. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So before we get into the meat of the episode,
Speaker 1: it's brought to you by bacon and Eggs. So this
Speaker 1: is actually our first one on our list of ten.
Speaker 1: You might take it for granted, but bacon and eggs
Speaker 1: are not originally breakfast foods. Did you know that outside
Speaker 1: the US, bacon and eggs aren't really eaten for breakfast. Actually,
Speaker 1: savory breakfasts are not common, And this episode was literally
Speaker 1: inspired by bacon and eggs because their popularity didn't happen
Speaker 1: by accident or just because bacon and eggs are so good,
Speaker 1: even though they are, which is why we don't think
Speaker 1: marketing is inherently evil because sometimes it can bring us
Speaker 1: things like bacon and eggs. But this in particular is
Speaker 1: brought to you you buy none other than Edward Burne's.
Speaker 1: Burne's strategy was to convince the public. He was hired
Speaker 1: by big Bacon and Big egg. So the way he
Speaker 1: did it is he had his agency's doctor, who he paid,
Speaker 1: write a letter two five thousand other doctors and telling
Speaker 1: them this, and the doctor's responses were published in newspapers
Speaker 1: and that was the marketing. The campaign was successful, and
Speaker 1: thus bacon and eggs became a standard part of the
Speaker 1: American breakfast. And so that was the inspiration for this episode.
Speaker 1: And we talk about Edward Burnees and a lot more
Speaker 1: things in our new book, By What you Love Without
Speaker 1: Going Broke. So pre order it at Buy what you
Speaker 1: Loove dot com.
Speaker 3: I have one hold a poke in this and it
Speaker 3: is not with pre ordering our book. Please do that
Speaker 3: buy what you Love dot Com. Okay, but sweet breakfasts
Speaker 3: are mainly Americans. Savory breakfast is all over the really
Speaker 3: one hundred percent were cereal, yeah, eu opinions and cheese.
Speaker 3: They all do pastries. You can't find savory countries. It
Speaker 3: is your your savory foods. Yeah, savory savory not sweet. Huh.
Speaker 1: We are like there are only one places where you
Speaker 1: can't get a savory breakfast. It's all a pastry and
Speaker 1: coffee like in Europe someplaces.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: Europe does meats and cheeses, and they do it well,
Speaker 3: they do so well well.
Speaker 1: Some places may do savory breakfast.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's also weird to egg farmers with chickens, Like
Speaker 3: you don't need a marketing campaign to tell them, like,
Speaker 3: there's your food. You go out in the morning, you
Speaker 3: get eggs, there's your food.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's usually used in like baking, so people
Speaker 1: baking like cakes and muffins and stuff with eggs. Either way,
Speaker 1: pre order the book absolutely. The the book is more
Speaker 1: fact checked maybe than my offhanded comment about breakfasts.
Speaker 3: I do love making an eggsit I know, right, anytime
Speaker 3: a day for me.
Speaker 1: So if you're interested in more kind of de influencing
Speaker 1: and marketing like psychology episodes, we do have episode three
Speaker 1: sixty eight where we talk about de influencing yourself from
Speaker 1: social media, and then episode two to one how to
Speaker 1: identify manipulative advertising and marketing. So definitely two good ones
Speaker 1: too que up for after this, but let's get started.
Speaker 1: Let's get into this list. We've got nine more for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this article comes from BuzzFeed. It's eighteen things
Speaker 3: you never knew started as marketing ploys. And the first
Speaker 3: one for me actually is not on this list. It
Speaker 3: is something that comes from our book. Well tell the
Speaker 3: people why, because so many of the things that I
Speaker 3: was going to talk about from this list were inaccurate.
Speaker 3: I am on a fact checking role here, so that's
Speaker 3: why I'm pushing back on the what other countries eat
Speaker 3: for breakfast thing? But they listed Father's Day as being
Speaker 3: a part of a marketing ploy and what was the
Speaker 3: other one? We'll get there, But they weren't. They were
Speaker 3: something else other history behind feed for your news, especially
Speaker 3: when they don't cite sources. Yeah, they had no links
Speaker 3: in it, so we had to fact check. But everything
Speaker 3: we're about to tell you is accurate as far as
Speaker 3: we can tell.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, we did. We did our own fact checking,
Speaker 1: and there are some things on the list that are accurate.
Speaker 3: Okay, so here we go. We're starting with the first
Speaker 3: one that we learned about through writing this book, and
Speaker 3: it is women smoking cigarettes became wildly popular out of
Speaker 3: a marketing effort begun by Edward Burnetz, so the same
Speaker 3: dude that Jen just mentioned in our fake sponsor at
Speaker 3: the beginning. He is considered the father of public relations,
Speaker 3: the nephew of Sigmund Freud, like the psychology Sigmund Freud,
Speaker 3: so he learned a lot from his uncle and employed
Speaker 3: a lot of understanding about human psychology into his marketing practices.
Speaker 3: So he was hired in nineteen twenty seven by the
Speaker 3: American Tobacco company and his first strategy was to try
Speaker 3: to persuade women to smoke. And as part of this,
Speaker 3: he was helping this American tobacco company to advertise cigarettes
Speaker 3: as being helpful to the ideal of Thinness, like equating
Speaker 3: smoking cigarettes staving off hunger and achieving this Thinness.
Speaker 1: Where to be advertising was smoke a cigarette instead of
Speaker 1: having a suite.
Speaker 3: And he also combined smoking cigarettes with the suffrage movement
Speaker 3: and called cigarettes torches of freedom and that if women
Speaker 3: were smoking cigarettes, they were we're also out here, vote
Speaker 3: and just be an independent ladies. And it worked, my friends.
Speaker 3: Female smoking went up significantly thanks to our guy, Edward Burnees.
Speaker 3: He also wrote Propaganda nineteen twenty eight. So he talked
Speaker 3: about how to literally engineer consent, tapping into people's unconscious
Speaker 3: impulses to see products as something that they want to have,
Speaker 3: believing that he could sell middle class consumers products that
Speaker 3: they didn't actually need. And a lot of our marketing
Speaker 3: strategies that we see today are built on a lot
Speaker 3: of Burne's ideas well, because he was so successful.
Speaker 1: And yeah, we talk about some of this in the book.
Speaker 1: So buy what you lovebook dot com and you can
Speaker 1: understand more of how this marketing came to be and
Speaker 1: then also like how you can combat it. Again, we
Speaker 1: don't think marketing is evil. It's knowing when you are
Speaker 1: being engineered to desire, when desire is being manufactured. That's
Speaker 1: actually the chapter title name is manufactured Desire. All right.
Speaker 1: So now we will join the list, and I will
Speaker 1: start out with number four, which is green bean casserole.
Speaker 1: Green bean casserole, Thanksgivings coming up. We love it. It was
Speaker 1: actually invented by Campbell's to sell more green beans and
Speaker 1: cream of mushroom soup. And I mean, if they had
Speaker 1: made those crispy little.
Speaker 3: Onions, hats off to that stuff.
Speaker 1: But they didn't, so it was to sell more of
Speaker 1: those two products that they manufacture.
Speaker 3: This is what I'm not mad about. Amen.
Speaker 1: Green Bean castro, I believe is the best side.
Speaker 3: Listen. If you're going to discover something and create a
Speaker 3: recipe that's just banging and the rest of us fall for.
Speaker 1: Then that's good.
Speaker 3: That's a win win win, I think, because green bean
Speaker 3: cast role is also really inexpensive to me, So thanks Campbell. Okay,
Speaker 3: the next one on my list is kind of a
Speaker 3: combination of six and seven but also holds to poke.
Speaker 3: So they originally said that the diamond company to Beers
Speaker 3: invented or came up with giving a diamond engagement ring
Speaker 3: in the nineteen thirties as as your proposal, and that's
Speaker 3: just not true. It actually dates back to like the
Speaker 3: fourteen hundreds where.
Speaker 1: Royalty somebody royal had done.
Speaker 3: It, uh huh, given a diamond engagement ring, and then
Speaker 3: it became popular among European aristocrats. However, what is true
Speaker 3: is that De Beer's, this large diamond company, was responsible
Speaker 3: in the nineteen thirties for putting the amount of money
Speaker 3: that someone should spend on an engagement ring. They listed
Speaker 3: one month it should be one month salary should be
Speaker 3: spent on a diamond engagement ring in particular, and there's
Speaker 3: also evidence to point at prior to this, diamond engagement
Speaker 3: rings were not as popular pre nineteen thirties as they
Speaker 3: were after that. The diamond company going through the depression
Speaker 3: and really needed to kind of ramp up their efforts
Speaker 3: of people purchasing diamonds because it just wasn't priority for
Speaker 3: people going through the depression. So this was their marketing
Speaker 3: campaign was here's how much you should be spending on
Speaker 3: a diamond ring, And the tables did shift a little
Speaker 3: bit where I think other stones were often used in
Speaker 3: engagement rings, like the engagement ring wasn't necessarily this brand
Speaker 3: new concept, but specifically it becoming a diamond engagement ring.
Speaker 3: It can be linked back to to Beers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they I mean it threw into up to
Speaker 1: three months salary like the other diamond companies just took
Speaker 1: it and ran with it to the point where it
Speaker 1: got up to the three month rule. But it just
Speaker 1: started as a one month rule.
Speaker 3: And de Beers I saw one of the original ads
Speaker 3: and it said when it was at two months, when
Speaker 3: the recommendation was a two month salary, it was like
Speaker 3: give her a sense of what the next what the
Speaker 3: future will look like by spending two months salary. So
Speaker 3: it's like you can see what your future will hold
Speaker 3: by the size of the diamond that you now have
Speaker 3: on your hand. And it's a little icky, a little
Speaker 3: the comments. Out of all of them, the comments had
Speaker 3: most pushback on this one because everyone knew it was
Speaker 3: just like full of it, Like it was extremely marketing heavy.
Speaker 3: My great grandparents were married during the Great Depression or
Speaker 3: maybe just before it, and she never did have an
Speaker 3: engagement ring, only a wedding band. So yeah, I think
Speaker 3: at least particularly in that time, it was not as common.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So the next one for me is
Speaker 1: number eight. Wedding registries were invented by a Chicago department store.
Speaker 1: You know, that obligatory feeling to buy things for your
Speaker 1: friends who are getting married. It started as a kind
Speaker 1: of quote unquote maybe like altruistic, an altruistic way, because
Speaker 1: I guess couples before the wedding registry would get duplicates
Speaker 1: and triplicates of in vogue gifts, and they would get
Speaker 1: china patterns they didn't want and all of this, Oh
Speaker 1: woe is me. So this department store in Chicago created
Speaker 1: the first wedding registry so couples wouldn't have to fear
Speaker 1: getting gifts they didn't want. Everyone would get them gifts
Speaker 1: that they knew they want, and actually it would be
Speaker 1: easier for the shopper to buy that gift knowing full well,
Speaker 1: yes the couple wants when I'm getting them, but they
Speaker 1: were the only one that had it. So this drew
Speaker 1: more couples to create registries at this department store so
Speaker 1: that they would gain more business, and then the registries
Speaker 1: just snowballed from there. Everyone had a wedding registry, and
Speaker 1: then people started doing baby registries naturally, and then there
Speaker 1: were just gift registries. Just like I'm turning thirty nine.
Speaker 1: Here's my gift registry at Walmart. Yeah, I used to say,
Speaker 1: like I used to Walmart had like a wedding registry,
Speaker 1: baby registry, and then just like a gift registry for
Speaker 1: like whatever.
Speaker 3: As you say, I'm turning thirty nine, here's my registry
Speaker 3: at Walmart. Wow, goals. I mean we're not there yet,
Speaker 3: but four years from now, Wow I'm only thirty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah goals. But yeah, all these registries were literally made
Speaker 1: to bring more business to a particular department store, and yeah,
Speaker 1: they may be a little kind, but it shouldn't pressure
Speaker 1: us into like overspending on these gifts.
Speaker 3: My next one on this list is the Miss America
Speaker 3: pageant started as a way to bring people to Atlantic City.
Speaker 3: I fact check this and it's true, Folks, Atlantic City
Speaker 3: to way to keep people to stay in the area
Speaker 3: post Labor Day. They wanted people to stay longer, so
Speaker 3: through like maybe if we make women parade around and dresses,
Speaker 3: they'll they'll stick around.
Speaker 1: And it clearly worked, clearly, but not justin Is it
Speaker 1: still in Atlantic City?
Speaker 3: Like I had no idea it was in Atlantic City.
Speaker 3: I don't know. The event created in nineteen twenty one
Speaker 3: to keep tourists coming to the boardwalk past Labor Day.
Speaker 3: Are you looking it up? It's still in Atlanta City.
Speaker 1: What comes up now is Miss Americana the Taylor Sailors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, talk about a marketing.
Speaker 1: Miss America anymore, talk.
Speaker 3: About a true marketer. I mean, Taylor Swift is good,
Speaker 3: but how she gets people to break the Internet and
Speaker 3: spend all their money is insane. There are other good
Speaker 3: musicians out there and they can't do what Taylor Swift
Speaker 3: is doing.
Speaker 1: That's so true. She is also a marketing She's a
Speaker 1: marketing again. Marketing is an evil. Yeah, I can't tell
Speaker 1: if it's in Atlantic City, but.
Speaker 3: You let us know. If you know, I'm gonna you
Speaker 3: go your next one. I'll keep the research alive.
Speaker 1: All right. So the next one for me, this is
Speaker 1: this is where we get real spicy ladies. Is number eleven.
Speaker 1: Women didn't shave their armpits until Gillette told them they should.
Speaker 1: And this is one hundred percent true. So Gillette was
Speaker 1: already a household name for men. They were sold in
Speaker 1: army supply stores, every stroll, every soldier in nineteen oh
Speaker 1: one had a safety razor from Gillette.
Speaker 3: So then we have.
Speaker 1: The Industrial Revolution, we have more manufacturing of these really
Speaker 1: inexpensive items, and so much of big box stores and
Speaker 1: all this. The reason they were able to gain popularity
Speaker 1: and really push out mom and pop stores was because
Speaker 1: of mass production. And so, oh I know, I did
Speaker 1: the same. The sound You got to turn the sound
Speaker 1: off on your computer when you're doing research. Mid episode,
Speaker 1: Oh the way, and we learned this again this is
Speaker 1: in the book. I don't want to like beat it
Speaker 1: over your head, but we talk about how the thing
Speaker 1: the really important thing for these big companies is the
Speaker 1: way to stay profitable is that they could no longer
Speaker 1: just meet demand. They had to manufacture desire. And so
Speaker 1: what Jellette did is they was they were already in
Speaker 1: every man's hand, but there was no reason for women
Speaker 1: to shave. They weren't shaving their heads, or their mustaches
Speaker 1: or their facial hair, right, so they had to figure out,
Speaker 1: how do we get a razor in every woman's hand. Well,
Speaker 1: we make the idea of having hairy armpits unattractive. And
Speaker 1: that is how they did it. Gillette manufactured a beautiful
Speaker 1: female safety razor, and they made the idea of being
Speaker 1: hairless more attractive than the idea of having hair on
Speaker 1: your under arms.
Speaker 3: Back to Miss America. Still can't totally tell, but it
Speaker 3: does seem like twenty twenty four, it's going to be
Speaker 3: in Florida. Oh okay, so it does. It obviously is
Speaker 3: not always in Atlantic City, but I don't know when
Speaker 3: that shift happened. And I should probably just pay attention
Speaker 3: to what we're doing now, which my next one is
Speaker 3: connected to that women shaving their legs so very similarly
Speaker 3: kind of manufacturers of hygiene products, so to capitalize on
Speaker 3: changing fashion trends. It was Jillette, and so I found
Speaker 3: this quote from the Smithsonian that underscores what you were
Speaker 3: just describing, Jen. They said, American beauty standards and marketing
Speaker 3: of the safety I'm sorry. American beauty standards and practices
Speaker 3: for women were also affected by the innovation and marketing
Speaker 3: of the safety razor. Beginning in the early twentieth century,
Speaker 3: manufacturers of safety raisers, seeking to expand their market promoted
Speaker 3: the idea that body hair on women is inherently masculine
Speaker 3: and in delicate, as well as unhygienic. Jilllett introduce the
Speaker 3: first razor marketed specifically to women, called the Malady Decollete,
Speaker 3: in nineteen fifteen. In the nineteen twenties, the new fashion
Speaker 3: for sleeveless tops and short dresses meant that legs and
Speaker 3: armpits of American women were now visible in social situations,
Speaker 3: and advertisers seize the opportunity to encourage women to shave
Speaker 3: their legs and their armpits. I also read on the
Speaker 3: Smithsonian website about how they were really intentional about not
Speaker 3: using the word shave because the word shave was associated
Speaker 3: with the male masculine and very masculine to shave your face.
Speaker 3: So they use words like smooth, like get smooth legs,
Speaker 3: be clean, smell good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they used it as hygiene. I mean if I
Speaker 1: had a malady decollete, I might feel differently too.
Speaker 3: You do, You probably do.
Speaker 1: You've got lad I know, and I have been conditioned. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I do like to shave my armpits. I don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of hair on my legs, so I don't
Speaker 1: really shave those, but like, yeah, I have been conditioned,
Speaker 1: and socially now it is it's socially awkward to hair
Speaker 1: on your legs.
Speaker 3: I remember begging my mom to shave my legs, Like
Speaker 3: remember when you were younger and you had to ask
Speaker 3: your parents for permission to do everything. Sometimes being an
Speaker 3: adult is better. And she would not let me shave,
Speaker 3: but I got made fun of. Yeah, all the girls
Speaker 3: would be like, oh, your mom doesn't let you shave
Speaker 3: your hairy legs. Your hair so long.
Speaker 1: It's it is so bizarre and the only person it
Speaker 1: benefits is men, because that was all men in that
Speaker 1: room with that marketing strategy who wanted to sell more razors.
Speaker 1: Like it is truly the definition of the pink attacks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is crazy.
Speaker 1: All right, moving on, This is number thirteen, and I
Speaker 1: feel like we missed one or did an extra one.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna go, oh, yeah, you only had four.
Speaker 1: I have five. Okay, I'm gonna do the We're gonna
Speaker 1: do the last one together because that's a real big one.
Speaker 1: My next one is Oprah's famous car giveaway was really
Speaker 1: just a giant ad for General Motors.
Speaker 3: No, we all knew that. We knew Oprah wasn't paying
Speaker 3: for all these.
Speaker 1: Vehicles, Yeah we know, but it was for GM to
Speaker 1: promote Pontiac, which is now defunct. But they're new G six.
Speaker 1: But what I really wanted to talk about was these
Speaker 1: gm ads, like really old gm ads, because their ads
Speaker 1: say things like like so from the nineteen fifties. They
Speaker 1: show all these gms and they're like the key to
Speaker 1: a richer life with a little car key.
Speaker 3: Next to it.
Speaker 1: And then you've got one from nineteen fifty five with
Speaker 1: a man and a woman they look like maybe they're
Speaker 1: on a date and it's a Cadillac ad and it
Speaker 1: says for the sheer joy of living. Oh wow, like
Speaker 1: it is literally taking this thing that maybe needed by
Speaker 1: some but definitely isn't needed by everyone. And so if
Speaker 1: the people who don't need it, they are trying to
Speaker 1: convince them like, this is how you live your rich life,
Speaker 1: this is how you enjoy life from the very beginning.
Speaker 1: And so now, even across other car companies, we see
Speaker 1: having a nice car as the key to a good life.
Speaker 1: That is a status symbol for others and yourself to
Speaker 1: know you are living a good life even if you
Speaker 1: can't afford that car.
Speaker 3: Related to GM hot take, this is Jill speaking. So
Speaker 3: if you're mad, take me down. I'm willing. I'm willing
Speaker 3: to stand on this one. The Barbie movie was a
Speaker 3: GM ad. I know everybody was out here talking about
Speaker 3: their love of the Barbie movie. It was fine, it
Speaker 3: was fun, it was colorful. It was a marketing campaign
Speaker 3: for General Motors and really themselves because the amount that
Speaker 3: we then all spent on Barbie paraphernalia, the clothes, the dolls,
Speaker 3: the resurgence like, it wasn't The advertised characters.
Speaker 1: Were in car ads too. Did you know that the
Speaker 1: character is not a hot take, that's not real?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Ye, Like anyone who watched that movie and just
Speaker 3: didn't feel like they were sitting through a whole commercial
Speaker 3: is like wild to me.
Speaker 1: The reasons they were able to make it with the
Speaker 1: budget they had is because Mattel gave them so much money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just was a whole commercial, that's my Everyone's like,
Speaker 3: did you like the Barbie movie? And Eric and I
Speaker 3: were like, you mean the General Motors ad that we
Speaker 3: watched for an hour.
Speaker 1: And that's a fantastic movie. Commercials can be fantastic, right,
Speaker 1: there are some amazing commercials. You just have to know
Speaker 1: what watching.
Speaker 3: It was huge commercial that they primarily did this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we got some entertainment out of it, but they did
Speaker 3: it so that they could get all of our money
Speaker 3: out of it. And I think that that's that's the
Speaker 3: awareness piece that I think can help us make more
Speaker 3: informed decisions. Like and maybe I'm a little bit more
Speaker 3: stubborn in this, but no, I'm not going to go
Speaker 3: out and buy a bunch of Mattel products because I
Speaker 3: just watched the Barbie movie. I enjoyed being entertained, but
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna now go and give you all my money.
Speaker 1: It is it's the Chevy Blaze, sir. That was a
Speaker 1: specific car Chevy Blaze.
Speaker 3: There was suburban there.
Speaker 1: There was all of them, but the chef was the
Speaker 1: one they were actually in the car commercial.
Speaker 3: Oh gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, it was all of them. You're so right.
Speaker 3: And speaking of vehicles, I just learned something else recently. Sorry,
Speaker 3: this this episode was becoming longer than you wanted it
Speaker 3: to be. Michelin Star restaurants are Actually it was started
Speaker 3: by Michelin, the tire company, and as part of their
Speaker 3: marketing ploy a very interesting connection that they made here.
Speaker 3: But it was something along the lines of how far
Speaker 3: the tires can take you and where these tires can
Speaker 3: take you, And so they started to have these restaurants
Speaker 3: that they wanted to recommend, and I think they even
Speaker 3: had like motels that they would partner with, like go here,
Speaker 3: stay here, and eat here. These are the places that
Speaker 3: we would recommend for you, so you can your tires
Speaker 3: can take you to these strong.
Speaker 1: Your tires can take you. We want people to drive
Speaker 1: more so their tires wear out faster, so they replace
Speaker 1: them more frequently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, yeah, and now we
Speaker 3: all want to flock to these Michelin Star restaurants because a.
Speaker 1: Tire company because hire company, your company told us, how crazy? Okay,
Speaker 1: so we got to do the very last one, and
Speaker 1: it is the Creme de la Creme. The modern character
Speaker 1: of Santa was heavily influenced this. This has started by
Speaker 1: but I want to say heavily influenced and subsidized by
Speaker 1: Coca Cola. It is, and Coca Cola will tell you
Speaker 1: they are not shy about sure, they're so proud of it.
Speaker 1: We made this before Coca Cola, And actually Coca Cola
Speaker 1: was using Santa Claus ads before this rebrand, before this
Speaker 1: glow up, but they had pictures. It's Santa was kind
Speaker 1: of like a gaunt, maybe elfish guy, right, not the
Speaker 1: wholesome person you'd take your kids to at the mall.
Speaker 1: And so Coca Cola was integral in funding artists to
Speaker 1: rebrand this Santa Claus specifically holding a coke and this
Speaker 1: led to obviously what we know as having to tell
Speaker 1: our kids, no, you can't have that, but you can
Speaker 1: ask Santa for it. And who is Santa? Why does
Speaker 1: Santa come down my chimney? Santa isn't real, baby, But
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm so sorry for saying that. It's
Speaker 1: a joke, it's a line.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Santa is real. It was just maybe not
Speaker 3: exactly in the way the Coca Cola and.
Speaker 1: Then having Santa in the malls to bring more kids
Speaker 1: to the mall so they buy more things for Christmas.
Speaker 1: It's just been integral to the like the catalyst for
Speaker 1: over consumption around the holidays. It was this one thing
Speaker 1: they wanted to make the Santa more approachable, more likable,
Speaker 1: to sell more Coca Cola, and it led to what
Speaker 1: we see now.
Speaker 3: To be fair, I mean so not entirely out of nowhere.
Speaker 3: They used inspiration from Clement Clark Moore's eighteen twenty two poems.
Speaker 3: So the Coca Cola's rendition of Santa Claus as we
Speaker 3: the modern Santa Claus as we know it was like
Speaker 3: nineteen thirties. But the poem The Night Before Christmas was
Speaker 3: written in eighteen twenty two and did describe this kind
Speaker 3: of Saint nick warm, friendly, pleasant plump coming down the chimney.
Speaker 3: So it's not the whole thing wasn't entirely invented by
Speaker 3: Coca Cola.
Speaker 1: The chimney. It's a poem just wrought with like you
Speaker 1: just can't how does he get down a chimney.
Speaker 3: You have not watched enough Christmas movies. You need to
Speaker 3: watch the Santa Claus with tol to understand.
Speaker 1: I've seen it. Yeah, the nineties were great for justifying inaccuracies,
Speaker 1: but you know it's not an inaccuracy.
Speaker 3: And would have been great in the nineties, would have
Speaker 3: been great in the two thousands, and here we are
Speaker 3: in the still is twenties. The bill of the week.
Speaker 5: That's right, it's time for the best minute of your
Speaker 5: entire week. Maybe a baby was born and his name
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Speaker 5: car died and you're happy to not have to pay
Speaker 5: that bill anymore. That's bills, Buffalo bills, Bill Clinton, this
Speaker 5: is the bill of the week.
Speaker 4: Hello, Jen and Jill. I am so excited to give
Speaker 4: you a bill of the week. My daughter turns one
Speaker 4: in August, and I just want you guys to know
Speaker 4: that I had a whole human for seven hundred and
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Speaker 4: If you have a spouse, get in on their insurance
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Speaker 1: But I'm sure it's costing you more than one thousand
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Speaker 1: it doesn't actually have to be that expensive to raise
Speaker 1: a child, but it can be very expensive to have
Speaker 1: the child.
Speaker 3: Yeah, safely, I love your You can have a whole
Speaker 3: human for under thousand dollars. I feel like the whole
Speaker 3: thing is such a natural biological thing. It pains me
Speaker 3: that any of it costs that much money.
Speaker 1: Like it does.
Speaker 3: You should be able to have your child and not.
Speaker 1: It should be a right to have a child safely
Speaker 1: for free. That's the thing is like people on you know,
Speaker 1: on social media saying like I don't have any prenatal
Speaker 1: care or go to a hospital to have my babies.
Speaker 1: No that's unsafe. Yeah it's free, but it's not safe.
Speaker 1: But it should be like a human right to the
Speaker 1: baby should be born safely for free.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad that you were a little I was
Speaker 3: gonna say, are you to issue. It's the libraries, and
Speaker 3: it's the having whole humans. Yeah for for for free. Well,
Speaker 3: I'm so happy for you Avery that you were able
Speaker 3: to hack it, even even without this being an active
Speaker 3: and right.
Speaker 6: But I have proposed to Congress if you all are
Speaker 6: listening and you want to submit a bill about what
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Speaker 3: and now it's time for politu.
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, what is something you think desperately needs a
Speaker 1: marketing glow up, a fresh marketing approach? You let me
Speaker 1: just get more of those those plosives in there for
Speaker 1: your ears. Okay, So I think it's dates Midule dates.
Speaker 1: They are nature's candy, and I have been on a
Speaker 1: date kick, like dates and peanut butter. I think they're
Speaker 1: just so good. They're a natural sweet treat, and I
Speaker 1: have a sweet tooth. I have a sweet tooth like
Speaker 1: probably my whole mouth sweet tooth, sweeteth.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though, if it gets a market and
Speaker 3: glow up. Then doesn't that drive prices up? They kind
Speaker 3: of don't. I kind of want grungey things to stay
Speaker 3: grunge if I like it.
Speaker 1: This is theoretical, so in reality, yeah, I mean, well,
Speaker 1: dates are not that cheap like to start.
Speaker 3: So imagine what would happen now if Whole Food's got
Speaker 3: their hands on it. Oh they already.
Speaker 1: I mean these are this is a bougie snack. Jill.
Speaker 1: Dates are bougie. Uh but yeah, they just I haven't
Speaker 1: seen them in any marketing plans like. I would love
Speaker 1: to see them glow up.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would rather see ads for that than ads for
Speaker 1: half the things I'm seeing, like a course like I
Speaker 1: could take a course to learn how to start a
Speaker 1: handyman business. That's I'm getting ads like that. No, I'd
Speaker 1: rather see an ad for delicious dates, dates with little
Speaker 1: arms and legs that are dancing, kind of like the
Speaker 1: Raisin or the Prune commercials. Yeah, yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: see Prune glow up. Fight me not on that, and
Speaker 1: I won't fight you on that.
Speaker 3: No, all right, Joe, Okay, this might prove that I
Speaker 3: don't even totally understand marketing, but I'd love to see
Speaker 3: a glow up for the service industry like baristas. You
Speaker 3: can't buy barista, you can say them though, Here's why
Speaker 3: I love working with my hands. Something I've learned about
Speaker 3: myself over the years is I really enjoy labor, manual,
Speaker 3: physical labor. And I'm so so sad that these industries
Speaker 3: don't make enough money to live off of.
Speaker 1: Because you'd be a barista.
Speaker 3: Catch me working with my hands as my very favorite job.
Speaker 3: I can't know. It would not be Starbucks. You all
Speaker 3: know it would not be Staro.
Speaker 1: I would not.
Speaker 3: I just yeah, I wish that these industries were like
Speaker 3: more highly valued or able to be paid more because
Speaker 3: I love I'd love that career.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know if you do understand marketing, but
Speaker 1: I love where your head went Like that is truly lovely. Yes,
Speaker 1: I agree, yeah, if we just you know, I also don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think coffee needs a glow up. Coffee doesn't
Speaker 1: need to be more expensive. I think we just need
Speaker 1: to keep more of it out of the hands of
Speaker 1: the C suite and pay baristas more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think deinfluencing needs needs a marketing campaign. I
Speaker 3: like seeing it, but I wonder at what point is
Speaker 3: this going to get sushed, shushed and silenced because we're
Speaker 3: out here trying to influence people from buying things. But
Speaker 3: that's not gonna make anybody money. Yeah, but I am
Speaker 3: loving to see the content. We're not the only ones
Speaker 3: talking about it, and I just wonder when it's all
Speaker 3: gonna end.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I love about podcasting is we don't
Speaker 1: have an algorithm, so we can't chase an algorithm. But
Speaker 1: we also like don't have any fear. Oh that's true
Speaker 1: of being pushed down because of it, and like even
Speaker 1: the recommendations for podcasts, like based on others you've watched,
Speaker 1: are sometimes totally random. None of it makes sense, and
Speaker 1: I love that. We love that, Okay, I do love
Speaker 1: the chaos of it.
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Speaker 1: Gorugle Friends is produced by Eric Sirianni. Alrighty, well, we
Speaker 1: have kept the people waiting long enough. So Helene Helene
Speaker 1: than Milton than Milton. I think we have more stories
Speaker 1: about Milton because we did record an episode after Helene.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's been wild. I even friends from
Speaker 3: out of state have asked like, how are you doing?
Speaker 3: And I think what I've come to is it's really
Speaker 3: hard to put words to exactly what it feels like
Speaker 3: or how we're recovering when you face losing your house
Speaker 3: and everything you own and pack everything up and move
Speaker 3: back in two times within ten days. Yeah, like it
Speaker 3: just there was such a stress toll. And then to
Speaker 3: watch everyone around you. And that's the interesting thing ab
Speaker 3: on a natural disaster is you're all in it. It's
Speaker 3: not an individual crisis. It's a communal crisis, and there's
Speaker 3: something really bonding about that, and there's something really overwhelming
Speaker 3: when you're in it and the whole world feels like
Speaker 3: your world. What you can see is collapsing and is
Speaker 3: absolutely devastated. There was no food at the grocery stores,
Speaker 3: and many of our friends did lose everything. House is
Speaker 3: flooded three to four feet, and communities just absolutely decimated.
Speaker 3: And then you kind of get that trauma response where
Speaker 3: you're just like sucked in and so it's all we're
Speaker 3: talking about. It's all we're watching on the news because
Speaker 3: we do also have to be prepared. You go to
Speaker 3: the store and everybody's frantic and they're out of everything,
Speaker 3: and the supplies are gone.
Speaker 1: Before the hurricane and after, it was so hard to
Speaker 1: find gas for cars in generation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just in it was insanity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Okay, So my family's story for Milton
Speaker 1: was quite an adventure. We evacuated to my in laws.
Speaker 1: They have a farm, so they have a walk in freezer,
Speaker 1: big generator to power that walk in freezer. Wine like.
Speaker 1: They have all the things you need for a hurricane.
Speaker 1: And it was an hour north, so the Milton kept
Speaker 1: tracking a little bit more south, so we went north.
Speaker 1: And they'd never flooded forty years they've owned the property,
Speaker 1: never flooded, and within twenty four hours there was two
Speaker 1: feet of water in their winery, and the next day,
Speaker 1: by lunchtime, it had risen a foot because they opened
Speaker 1: a levee to relieve flooding elsewhere, and that created flooding
Speaker 1: in my in law's neighborhood. And so by the afternoon
Speaker 1: after the hurricane, I didn't know what was happening. At
Speaker 1: my house. There was three feet of water in the winery.
Speaker 1: All their crops were covered. Travis dropped his phone in
Speaker 1: the floodwater, totally lost it. And there's six inches of
Speaker 1: water in the house's kitchen, which is a little lower
Speaker 1: than the rest of the house. So the rest of
Speaker 1: the house was fine, but the generator flooded, so all
Speaker 1: of their food for their business completely gone. There was
Speaker 1: no like potable water. There was no flushing of toilets
Speaker 1: like it was. We were very much stranded on an
Speaker 1: island with nothing, and so Travis and my brother in
Speaker 1: law are just like kayaking around because what do you do, right,
Speaker 1: And they found a guy who was rescuing people, and
Speaker 1: there were some people that had like little john boats,
Speaker 1: and so we had to be literally rescued from the
Speaker 1: property via a little boat and then via a monster
Speaker 1: truck because it wasn't just the farm that was flooded,
Speaker 1: it was the road and they had to make in
Speaker 1: order to get emergency services in. They actually had to
Speaker 1: create a new pathway into the community through people's like
Speaker 1: private property. We had to leave our car there because
Speaker 1: we had moved it to higher ground before the water.
Speaker 1: You know, while the water was like, you know raising,
Speaker 1: the next day it was beautiful weather outside. It was
Speaker 1: just the water kept rising and it was a week
Speaker 1: before we could go back and get the van because
Speaker 1: the water was so high we wouldn't have been able
Speaker 1: to drive it out. And we still wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: able to drive it out during the through the road.
Speaker 1: We had to take that back route.
Speaker 3: So crazy with two kids like sent me that message
Speaker 3: photo of your boys and like car seats in this boat.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I oh.
Speaker 1: Like freaking out because if this is how this flooded.
Speaker 1: Helene and Milton were so different because Helene was surge,
Speaker 1: so if you on if you were on the water,
Speaker 1: you got saltwater. Right. Milton was totally different. Everyone on
Speaker 1: the coast was totally fine. It was sixteen inches of
Speaker 1: rain and eighty to one hundred miles per mile hour wind,
Speaker 1: so there was it was all trees down and not
Speaker 1: snapped in half. The ground was so saturated that these
Speaker 1: trees root systems came up out of the ground, took
Speaker 1: huge swaths of lawn with them and were falling on houses.
Speaker 1: And then so much rain, rain is getting in through
Speaker 1: the roof. Then I was horrified because we have so
Speaker 1: many trees on our property and it was just And
Speaker 1: then like Jill and Eric, you you went like and
Speaker 1: took pictures helped me know that everything was okay because
Speaker 1: we still were figuring out how do we get back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you hadn't heard from neighbors what your house
Speaker 3: looked like. And I was like, oh gosh, we'll go
Speaker 3: drive there, We'll go tell you what your house looks our.
Speaker 1: Neighbors are snowbirds, so they weren't there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you guys like let us know, like gave
Speaker 1: us peace of mind. Took pictures and I like was
Speaker 1: spiraling out with anxiety, and those pictures like I cried
Speaker 1: when I got them because I just knew that the
Speaker 1: house was okay, Like, yes, there were a lot of
Speaker 1: trees down, but they fell in the right direction. And
Speaker 1: then like you texted me and you're like, hey, can
Speaker 1: what's the coade to your door? I need to use
Speaker 1: the bathroom And you were at my house cleaning up
Speaker 1: debris while I'm still stuck up nor that. And when
Speaker 1: we were evacuated, we went to my sister in law's house,
Speaker 1: which was like still up north but had power.
Speaker 7: And I mean, I was just like you, I am
Speaker 7: going to cry now about it, but it was so
Speaker 7: it was emotionally draining.
Speaker 3: I mean that's what friends do. And I felt for
Speaker 3: you guys so much with what you went through being
Speaker 3: on the farm, losing so much already being emergency evacuated
Speaker 3: with kids. We didn't we couldn't figure it all out.
Speaker 3: But we're like, if we can take the boards off
Speaker 3: the windows and clear the path to the driveway and
Speaker 3: clear out the front yard, Like that'll be so nice.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I would want that for myself if I
Speaker 3: if I were in your situation. So we had the
Speaker 3: somehow the time and energy to be able to do that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, we were all out of power
Speaker 3: for so long, both after Helene then after Milton, we
Speaker 3: didn't have internet and we were just in like crisis mode.
Speaker 3: So but thankfully because of the jobs that we have,
Speaker 3: I was able to just say, we're not working this week,
Speaker 3: and so we're cleaning up. Yeah, we're cleaning up our
Speaker 3: own property, and when we're done with that, we're gonna
Speaker 3: go help neighbors clean up their properties. And I watched
Speaker 3: other people's kids while they tried to get to work themselves.
Speaker 3: Because schools were out for like almost two weeks straight,
Speaker 3: it was just wild for us. We do live close
Speaker 3: to the water, so in Helene, we our whole property flooded,
Speaker 3: like our garage. There was eight inches of water up
Speaker 3: on our entire house. Thankfully, it was like one inch
Speaker 3: away from getting into the doors, but it did saturate
Speaker 3: some of the exterior parts of the house that aren't
Speaker 3: block which then started to cause mold issues. So in
Speaker 3: between Helene and Milton, we were ripping off our siding,
Speaker 3: pulling out insulation, replacing studs because we were already in
Speaker 3: our bedroom and bathroom like getting mold issues in the
Speaker 3: drywall in there. So it was like a race against
Speaker 3: the clock to seal back up the house, get it
Speaker 3: all sealed again before Milton hit, and they were guessing
Speaker 3: for Milton to be even worse what Helene did. So
Speaker 3: we packed up everything that was valuable to us, put
Speaker 3: it five feet you know, up on counters and cabinet
Speaker 3: tops and all of that, and thankfully, the worst that
Speaker 3: we got through Milton was two trees fell on our
Speaker 3: garage and the rest are leaning pretty heavily. So we're
Speaker 3: hoping insurance. We still don't know though, like a lot
Speaker 3: of us are still facing that the not knowing what
Speaker 3: will insurance do. The trees are still on our garage,
Speaker 3: we're just parking out front. It's one of those things
Speaker 3: where it's like, yes, it could be worse, and as
Speaker 3: you look around you see the worst literally in your
Speaker 3: own neighborhood, while also recognizing that this was a very difficult,
Speaker 3: like kind of traumatic time that we all went through
Speaker 3: and the nuisances are not great.
Speaker 1: Either, But it's so it's bizarre to have a whole
Speaker 1: community trauma tized together. And I mean we were just
Speaker 1: talking about I think the worst that we've seen was
Speaker 1: a very large oak tree blue over and was so
Speaker 1: large and close to the home that its root system
Speaker 1: uprooted the front sunroom of the house.
Speaker 3: It was wild looking at it. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 3: lot of things combining together where you had that saturation
Speaker 3: like you described for us, the saltwater kills plants. So
Speaker 3: to have our property flooded with salt water, We've got
Speaker 3: these massive live oaks other types of oak trees on
Speaker 3: our property, and now you know that has killed them,
Speaker 3: and then Milton comes in with its high winds and
Speaker 3: just like knocked them out where they might have been
Speaker 3: sturdy enough otherwise. So it's this combination that just made
Speaker 3: for a lot of devastation that we're still recovering from.
Speaker 3: We're recording this on October thirtieth, and debris and dry
Speaker 3: wall and people's just belong that got flooded out have
Speaker 3: not yet been disposed of.
Speaker 1: You can still see entire blocks, Yeah, like in multiple
Speaker 1: streets where everybody's lives are on their frontlawnes.
Speaker 3: It is scary, like it is wild. Ye takeaway is
Speaker 3: insure yourself, even if you think you don't need it,
Speaker 3: have insurance. That how many people we've heard through this
Speaker 3: and what they faced in North Carolina of they didn't
Speaker 3: have insurance because they're not in a flood zone. Why
Speaker 3: wouldn't they, And so just yeah, being like protecting yourself
Speaker 3: as much as possible. This is why we have emergency funds,
Speaker 3: and it's why we have community mostly, I mean honestly,
Speaker 3: where the money isn't actually going to help or insurance
Speaker 3: isn't actually going to pay out, it's been community that
Speaker 3: has been so helpful through this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something I was thinking about, like even with an
Speaker 1: emergency fund, there was no restaurant opened to buy food from.
Speaker 1: There was no food in the grocery store. The lines
Speaker 1: were hours long to get gas. You waste your gas
Speaker 1: just trying to get gas. Like money could not buy
Speaker 1: the thing. Like it didn't matter if you had money
Speaker 1: or or anything in it was the world's central kitchen
Speaker 1: who was bringing hot meals like they were funding food
Speaker 1: trucks to make and pass out free meals. And it
Speaker 1: was like churches helping people with their comeing in, just
Speaker 1: random people coming in with chainsaws. Because your tree might
Speaker 1: fall over, the city will not pick it up unless
Speaker 1: it's cut into like two or three foot chunks and
Speaker 1: moved into a pile, right, And so it's just people
Speaker 1: like coming together. And you couldn't even if you wanted
Speaker 1: to hire a tree service, you couldn't because they were
Speaker 1: all like it was. It was, there were so many
Speaker 1: reasons to believe in community, like above all else we.
Speaker 3: Made, we got so much closer to our neighbors through this,
Speaker 3: which is like, that's I guess a hope filled piece
Speaker 3: in it. Not that I want to go through devastation
Speaker 3: like this, but the cool thing in it is the
Speaker 3: connections that were more solidified and the bonds made through it,
Speaker 3: which is beautiful. So thanks everyone for checking in on us.
Speaker 3: We really did appreciate your messages and seeing how we
Speaker 3: are and sorry it took so long, but again we
Speaker 3: did not have internet or space whatsoever until now. So
Speaker 3: we're here. We're still recovering, but we're so grateful for
Speaker 3: jobs like this and the flexibility to allow ourselves that
Speaker 3: space to recover and to be able to help others
Speaker 3: with some of our time. And flexibility. So if you
Speaker 3: are looking for a way to support us, I mean truly,
Speaker 3: it would be in pre ordering our book. Of course,
Speaker 3: if you come across other opportunities to give money to
Speaker 3: help support ongoing volunteer efforts, please do that. If you're
Speaker 3: looking for ways to support specifically us, your frugal friends,
Speaker 3: things like pre ordering the book, leaving us kind reviews
Speaker 3: on Spotify or Apple, this is what helps us to
Speaker 3: be able to continue doing this, to have the flexibility
Speaker 3: to be present for our community like this is it truly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say if you're looking for a specific
Speaker 1: place to give, World Central Kitchen was vital to feeding
Speaker 1: so many people. We lost all of our food. We
Speaker 1: were out of power for six days and we would
Speaker 1: show up places and get a free hot meal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was.
Speaker 1: There was one day they ran out of chicken and
Speaker 1: it was just like a bowl of rice with some
Speaker 1: bang bang something. And this is going to show this
Speaker 1: was probably my lowest point. Maybe we were in the
Speaker 1: truck on the way home. We had to stop and
Speaker 1: get milk for Atlas, and we couldn't buy a big
Speaker 1: gallon like we normally did every night. We would have
Speaker 1: to stop and just get a little thing of milk, right,
Speaker 1: and so we're on our nightly milk hunt and I
Speaker 1: thought I was going to wait till I get home
Speaker 1: to eat the rice, and I'm just like in the
Speaker 1: car eating it with my fingers. Like it was a
Speaker 1: low point, but like it really World Central Kitchen was
Speaker 1: really an amazing organization for what they did here and
Speaker 1: what they're doing for all natural disaster like victims.
Speaker 3: That's cool hopeful takeaway too. And you actually highlighted this
Speaker 3: at one point, like there are people giving food, but
Speaker 3: it's a lot of hot dogs and pizza. Like we
Speaker 3: lived off of hot dogs and pizza for too many days.
Speaker 3: As much as I love hot dogs, I did reach.
Speaker 3: I reached my point on it. And I remember you
Speaker 3: said something in between the two hurricanes when we were
Speaker 3: trying to figure out, like how can we help other people?
Speaker 3: And and you were like, healthy, nutritious hot meals is
Speaker 3: so important during these times because everyone's just eating pizza.
Speaker 3: Like people are like what can we you know, can
Speaker 3: we grab you some pizzas it's like no, please, Like
Speaker 3: is there fresh veggies like anywhere?
Speaker 1: Eat it because it's hot and it's fair, right, but
Speaker 1: like there is so much sodium and fat, Like I
Speaker 1: started just to feel heavy and tired, and I was
Speaker 1: already feeling tired and heavy emotions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll take what you can get. But when it
Speaker 3: comes to like I'm even thinking outside of a natural disaster,
Speaker 3: just when people need meals, I think that is a
Speaker 3: helpful anchor point of what would be good and welcomed here,
Speaker 3: Like how can I provide like true nutrition to people
Speaker 3: whose bodies are very stressed, very worn down? Like what
Speaker 3: it's gonna be the best sodium in what's gonna be
Speaker 3: the best fuel? And I think I wouldn't have known
Speaker 3: that if I hadn't gone through what we just went through. Granted, yeah,
Speaker 3: not everything is accessible at that time, but that was
Speaker 3: That's a helpful thing for me that I'm now keeping
Speaker 3: in mind, just for even when there are individual crises
Speaker 3: that happen, like maybe sending pizza isn't the most caring thing,
Speaker 3: Like maybe it is like some good chicken and veggies
Speaker 3: if I can swing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's definitely the place I would send money.
Speaker 1: And again, yeah, if you want to support us directly
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Speaker 3: All right, bye bye,