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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to another week of Casual Chaos.

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Speaker 1: This week, I have a very exciting guest, a dear

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Speaker 1: friend of mine and one of my castmates on Next Gen,

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Speaker 1: myc Amir de Spain. Welcome to Casual Chaos. Hi, I'm

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Speaker 1: really excited for you to be here today. I feel

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Speaker 1: like your story is so inspiring and you can just

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Speaker 1: help guide so many others who are going through this

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Speaker 1: or struggling with anything, and I really am so happy

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Speaker 1: that you feel comfortable to share it on.

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Speaker 2: Casual Chaos, of course.

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Speaker 1: And I'm excited because even though I know we're so close,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for this podcast to even get to know

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Speaker 1: a little bit more about you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And honestly, like, I feel like there's no one

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Speaker 3: that I would feel even more comfortable doing this with.

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Speaker 3: It's like you're like one of my dear friends, and

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Speaker 3: I love that we are able to do this. So

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Speaker 3: thanks for having me, no problem.

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Speaker 1: She is an icon, She is a legend, and she

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Speaker 1: has broken so many barriers, so starting first and foremost,

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Speaker 1: becoming the first black transgender woman to model for Victoria's Secret.

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Speaker 1: She did an insane campaign with Victoria's Secret.

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Speaker 2: How did that feel.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's definitely amazing. I've worked with them for

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Speaker 3: so many years now and their team is so incredible.

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Speaker 3: I just I like love them all so much. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's like a childhood dream come true. I feel

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Speaker 3: like every girl dreams of that, and I don't know,

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Speaker 3: it was really cool.

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Speaker 2: It was an iconic woman.

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Speaker 1: And then even this year at the VS Fashion Show,

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Speaker 1: your outfit, yes, I mean that, and then also just

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Speaker 1: the Wicked Amira she has outfits, guys, and you would

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Speaker 1: think that she was in the damn movie Wicked.

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Speaker 2: Or you would think that she is one of those.

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Speaker 1: VS angels walking on the fashion show. But it is incredible.

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Speaker 1: Like the thought and effort you put into each one

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Speaker 1: of your pieces is insane.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I mean I really try my best to

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Speaker 3: like take the time and like I design things based

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Speaker 3: mood of that event or that night, or like whatever

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Speaker 3: it is I'm going for, And yeah, it all just

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Speaker 3: comes to me, it.

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Speaker 2: Comes to you.

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Speaker 1: And also to making history as Bravo's first full time

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Speaker 1: transgender cast member. Yes, there is so many walls that

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Speaker 1: have been broken, and how does it feel to do that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's definitely sometimes feels like a lot of

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Speaker 3: maintain an expectation that people have because I'm representing not

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Speaker 3: just myself but pretty much the entire LGBTQ community, but

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Speaker 3: specifically in my community. Yeah, and so I feel like

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Speaker 3: I have this pressure to portray myself in the best way,

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Speaker 3: and sometimes that forces me to be a little more

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Speaker 3: like with the world, it's so easy to like close

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's also just a lot that comes with it, Judgment,

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Speaker 1: the fear of not being accepted. There's just a lot

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Speaker 1: to it. And I'm so happy that. Honestly, I think

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Speaker 1: our generation broke a lot of fourth walls and just

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Speaker 1: seeing everything and we'll talk more about it, but even

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Speaker 1: like the shift within brands, within networks, everything, just seeing

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Speaker 1: how each one of these different platforms are becoming so

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Speaker 1: much more accepting of everybody, and that's really beautiful to see.

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Speaker 1: Because that was something that I feel like probably instilled

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't end there.

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Speaker 1: Guys, You've also greased the cover of Glamour, been featured

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Speaker 1: in Nylon and modeled for major brands like Fenty Beauty

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Speaker 2: Guys, she met Rihanna and Barbados. Can you imagine standing

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Speaker 3: Building literally like hey, Jay in hand? No, yeah, you kidding.

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Speaker 3: She's a legend. It was so crazy, like she loves

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Speaker 3: my mom really and.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, can you just come here literally please?

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Speaker 3: I just want to meet you, or we all should

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Speaker 3: take a trip to Barbados to her house.

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Speaker 2: That's where you were.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we went to Barbados in her house. No, no, not

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Speaker 2: She was that willing to do that, literally, but she would.

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Speaker 2: She's amazing. She's just so freaking amazing.

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Speaker 1: When you look back at the start of your career,

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Speaker 1: did you ever imagine that it would have led to this?

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Speaker 3: As much as I want to say no and like that,

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Speaker 3: it was like such a surprise and like that it like, yes,

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine it because genuinely, like my mom can

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Speaker 3: go back and find things that I drew when I

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Speaker 3: was a kid, and it's exactly what I imagined, Like

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Speaker 3: every single thing, down to being on a show, down

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Speaker 3: to having like an audience of some sort, down to

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Speaker 3: having a closet full of burkins. That was literally something

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Speaker 3: I drew as a child. As crazy as that is,

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Speaker 3: Like what kid dreams of that? In like the two thousand?

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Speaker 2: No, literally, how'd you even know what a burg exactly right?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Did your mom have them?

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Speaker 3: She did? I think she had like one or two,

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Speaker 3: okay back then, But that's why.

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Speaker 1: One above them beyond she's got a lockdoor closet fall

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Speaker 3: Her burken period. But that's you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Like it's like I genuinely feel like I've manifested everything,

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Speaker 3: and yes it's hard work, but also like I feel

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Victoria's Secret campaign? How did that come about?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So honestly, we had I had a few friends

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Speaker 3: conversations about me prior to my knowledge, Like this was

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Speaker 2: But was this your first big campaign?

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Speaker 3: This was my first big campaign. And this was also

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Speaker 3: working a corporate job. So I was working at Paper

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Speaker 1: And for anyone who doesn't know, Amira went to n YU,

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Speaker 1: Yeah she is very smart, guys, I'm not kidding, very

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Speaker 1: very smart. I was actually talking to Andrew, my podcast producer,

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Speaker 1: before this, and didn't you win an award at NYU,

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Speaker 1: Like I don't want to say valedictorian or was it?

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Speaker 3: No, it was. I graduated with honors. I was in

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Speaker 3: the top ten percent of NYU. This is what I'm

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Speaker 3: saying you, guys.

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Speaker 2: Very smart. Amiraa is very smart.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: And what did you major minor in?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well so I double majored in marketing and communications, and

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Speaker 3: then I was trying to in computer science, but I

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Speaker 3: didn't have enough time. I was very stressed out during college.

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Speaker 3: I did not have like the fun party college experience

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Speaker 3: that I so badly sometimes wish I did. No.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny because I feel like when we're out,

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Speaker 1: you're like, well, I'm doing this now because I didn't

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Speaker 1: do this when I was younger. And it's so funny

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Speaker 1: because you have you have such a fun spirit. But

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Speaker 1: it's you know, again, hard work pays off. So you

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Speaker 1: grinded to get where you are today.

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Speaker 3: That's very true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so again, back back to VS.

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Speaker 3: Back to Yeah, so back to that campaign. So then, I, yes,

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Speaker 3: I was working full time at Paper and when that

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Speaker 3: and he calls me that morning and he's like, why

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Speaker 2: Just a normal.

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Speaker 3: I was doing that on the side.

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Speaker 2: It's so funny.

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Speaker 1: But but I mean, I feel like it was so

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Speaker 1: big and so monumental for VS. In itself. The evolution

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Speaker 1: has transformed as people like you have broken down these

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Speaker 3: So yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, and I think

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Speaker 3: But people still want the glitz, they still want the glam.

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Speaker 3: They still want like you know, Victoria's Secrets glam.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and we still want to see the VS

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Speaker 1: Fashion show exactly. The wings are ecologic to see it.

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Speaker 3: Hundred percent. I think they have finally gotten it, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: I mean think this year was incredible, like they like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, they're so back.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel like these brands have evolved over

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that the pandemic really gave brands

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Speaker 3: you know, being more inclusive and wanting to have more

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Speaker 3: think it goes both ways. I feel like it maybe

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Speaker 3: also kind of detrimental to like the entire aspect of it.

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Speaker 3: Like I think there's a balance between showing something that's

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Speaker 3: like showing someone with acne. It's like, oh, that's relatable.

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Speaker 3: I have acne. I can see myself using you know,

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Speaker 3: this blush or whatever it is. I think now we're

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Speaker 3: in a space where brands are still trying to find

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Speaker 3: wonderful example of that. They really have found that in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean that just like shows, especially like

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Speaker 1: the transformation of social media, I mean it could go

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Speaker 1: back to VS.

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Speaker 1: Literally, But what were your initial thoughts when you heard

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Speaker 3: Know, grow up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But all of these shows are they're all getting old now,

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Speaker 1: it's like a really cool, like full circle transitional moment.

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Speaker 1: And then but I mean I did not think that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were like, well, it's just like kind of

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Speaker 2: We're I think we're all realizing.

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Speaker 2: Even know what pisses you off, Like it was very

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Speaker 3: It was definitely hard season one two, Like when the

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Speaker 2: I think maybe when we were filming the Sizzle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You guys, right. But I feel like that that created

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean you and I got close pretty fast, and

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Speaker 1: And that's what I think people can be get really

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Speaker 3: Literally we've all spent so much time together, like even

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Speaker 3: Everyone's trauma phoned it from living here in the city.

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Speaker 3: Honestly? I had to think about it a little bit

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Speaker 1: And sometimes for people that's a blessing and sometimes it's

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Speaker 2: Oh I know, and not many of these people just

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Speaker 2: it's like my skeletons but like they're out right, they're out.

446
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 2: What was your first impression of me when we met?

447
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 3: My first impression of you was definitely your like stunning,

448
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 3: So like that was probably number one. Number two was

449
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 3: probably like, damn, I can't wear heels if we're taking

450
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 3: a picture together again, every time Ga and I are

451
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 3: taking pictures, I'm always wearing the highest heel.

452
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: We're always paired guys.

453
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 1: Always at Bravo con who does the photo ops together?

454
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,120
Speaker 1: Me and Amira obviously so happy. I was with her

455
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 1: all day every day. But we're standing there and I

456
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 1: was seeing so many comments on TikTok being like, oh

457
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: my gosh, she is so tiny.

458
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 3: The height difference is great, literally, and it's funny because

459
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 3: almost all of my closest friends are so much shorter

460
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 3: than me, and like my best friend in high school

461
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 3: was four to eleven and like all of my closest friends

462
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 3: like four eleven, five to one, five to two, I'm

463
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 3: like great, like love.

464
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 1: It, no the biggest like it boored my heart. We're

465
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: about to go into our photo op at Brabo cod

466
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: and girl. I made sure I didn't where the platforms

467
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 1: dress for you.

468
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 3: Oh, they didn't do the platforms.

469
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 1: It's like the fact that a mirror sacrificed the heel

470
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: she wanted to wear for me.

471
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: That's a big deal.

472
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: So your background is so layered. You grew up in Texas,

473
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: your mom was living in Dubai.

474
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: I want the whole breakdown.

475
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 1: But then you also made your way to New York

476
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: when you were going to NYU tell me all about this.

477
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: How did your mom make it to Texas? Like where

478
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: did this all happen?

479
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 3: So my parents met when they were both working in Dubai.

480
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 3: My dad was their tail. Yeah, they were both working

481
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: in Dubai and it was really cool. And so I

482
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 3: was born in Dubai and I lived there for the

483
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 3: first like three years of my life, and then we

484
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: moved to the States. We lived in Kansas for like

485
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 3: a few months. That's where the twins were born. We

486
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 3: lived in Overland Park. Then we moved to Florida and

487
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 3: we lived there for like four years, and then we

488
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: were like back and forth, like traveling around. So I

489
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 3: was homeschooled until I was in the fifth grade.

490
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 2: Wow. So they never admitted you into school.

491
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 3: No, because it was too difficult. So I travel around.

492
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: Not your brother's either that.

493
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were all homeschooled.

494
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: Wow.

495
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 3: And then in the fifth grade was when my parents

496
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 3: got divorced. So then I had to go to regular

497
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 3: school because my mom had to go to work, you know.

498
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 3: And yeah, so then I went to a private fine

499
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 3: arts high school and I used to dance competitively, like

500
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: did theater was the theater kid? Cringe?

501
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 2: And then I had I just had Ella Stiller.

502
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh my god, awesome. I mean her parents

503
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 3: are icons literally icon.

504
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: But she literally said I feel like every little kid

505
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: should be in theater. As I said it, she was like,

506
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: it's so good for your personality, like.

507
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 3: Your confidence, yes, everything, I mean truly like in dance too,

508
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 3: I mean like it really teaches you how to handle

509
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 3: rejection in such as right and criticism in such a

510
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 3: like positive way and like take it on the chin

511
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 3: and be like okay, yeah, it's not personal, but yeah.

512
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 3: So then I graduated from high school and I went

513
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 3: to I actually did my freshman year at NYU in Paris,

514
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 3: so I was at NYU's Paris campus and then I

515
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 3: and then I transferred to NYU Manhattan sophomore year and

516
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 3: I was in college, graduated, was working at Paper magazine.

517
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 3: I was an intern there. It was the only job

518
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 3: I ever really had. I started as an intern on

519
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 3: the marketing side, so I worked on the ad agency side,

520
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 3: and I was like the only intern and I was

521
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 3: doing like a full time job, you know. And I love,

522
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 3: I like have so much love and respect for my

523
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 3: entire paper team, Like they were incredible. Some of them

524
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 3: are still there today. Them have like moved on and

525
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 3: they're the best. They gave me the opportunity because they

526
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 3: saw how much I loved beauty. So they were like,

527
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 3: do you want to start writing for the site? Do

528
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 3: you want to just like randomly help us launch a

529
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: beauty thing, because we don't really do beauty. They do fashion.

530
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 3: They did mostly. It was mostly fashion and music, and

531
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 3: so they were aside from the agency marketing side of it,

532
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 3: which was like separate from the magazine. So I was

533
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: like pitching influencers for like events and stuff. Little did

534
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 3: I know? I know, isn't that crazy? Now?

535
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: Wait, that's so funny.

536
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: And like building pitch decks and like putting people. I'm

537
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 3: gonna probably put you or your mom and at some

538
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 3: point and that was like in twenty seventeen, woh yeah,

539
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 3: and then or twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen, I worked

540
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 3: on the marketing side. Then I transitioned over the editorial side,

541
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 3: and now you booked there. For a while, I was

542
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 3: an intern though I like, I didn't graduate until twenty nineteen,

543
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: but I was like a full time employee, unpaid intern

544
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 3: love New York.

545
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: And you weren't paid this entire time?

546
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, what? Yeah? Then I got hired full

547
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 3: time when I grab because they couldn't hire me because

548
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 3: I was in school.

549
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: Okay, but why do interns get paid now?

550
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 3: Like myster there's a law now that got passed. Back

551
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 3: then there was not. They were like you're an intern,

552
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: They're like, you want to be here.

553
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: See so for three years you did.

554
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: That sophomore year through senior year, and then I worked

555
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 3: there for two years post college. So I graduated and

556
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: I got hired full time I was on the marketing

557
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 3: side and the editorial side for like a hybrid, and

558
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 3: then I started doing editorial beauty content for them. So

559
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 3: I was posting like tiktoks and doing like like I

560
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: had a snapchat show on Paper's Snapchat channel called Snatchurl.

561
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 3: It was really fun. And then I was doing my

562
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 3: own beauty content on the side. Like I said, I'd

563
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 3: wake up at like four am to film and it

564
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: was crazy, but it paid off. I mean I started

565
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 3: doing better than the Paper one and I was like, Okay,

566
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 3: I want to focus on this now. Clearly there's something there.

567
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: And I quit my job and that was quit my

568
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 3: job in twenty twenty one. So yeah, yeah, twenty twenty one,

569
00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 3: it's been.

570
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: Like five years. Yeah, building your career. Yeah wow, that's incredible.

571
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 3: Crazy.

572
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: So then when did it really take off where you

573
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: felt like I'm good now to be on my own,

574
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: Like when were you really taking care of yourself fully?

575
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 3: I think twenty twenty one, Like I started, like when

576
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: I was able, I worked at Paper for a while

577
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: while I was still doing content full time or part time,

578
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: because I was I wanted to make sure that this

579
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 3: was like a sustainable business. Obviously my parents too, and

580
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: like they didn't really understand it, like, yeah, my mom's

581
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 3: an immigrant. She's like not, She's like, I mean you

582
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: need to stay focused. I'm like okay, I'm like yes, mom,

583
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: I mean same, Yeah, I'm like all right. But they

584
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 3: finally saw the vision. My mom and my dad both dead,

585
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 3: and they were like all right, if this is like

586
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: what you want to pursue, like they'll support it, but

587
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: like you got to handle I go off. I was

588
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: like okay, and I did, and.

589
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: You did and you did. So take me back a

590
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 2: little bit.

591
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: When did you know that transitioning was something that you

592
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: wanted to do.

593
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, it's so crazy because there's not like

594
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: a singular point I can look back at and say like, oh,

595
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 3: Like this was a moment where I realized that I

596
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: think my parents always knew. Like even as a kid,

597
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: I was never like I didn't have a blue I

598
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 3: had a pink room growing up my entire life. I

599
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: asked my parents. I was like, I want a pink

600
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 3: room and I was like four, and they were like okay,

601
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: I guess They're like go for it. And I only

602
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 3: had barbies. I grew up very much like any other

603
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 3: girl would. And I think that my parents let me

604
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: be myself from such a young age. It was never

605
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: really a question, Like I never had to like sit

606
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: down to my parents and come out to them. And

607
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: I think that's just like a testament to how incredible

608
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 3: they raised me. And I like have so much love

609
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: and respect for my parents, and I wish so badly

610
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: that every kid could have that, because I know that's

611
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 3: not the case for a majority of kids in the

612
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 3: LGBTQ community. But yeah, that was it was amazing, like

613
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: genuinely like they always supported Yeah, they always supported me.

614
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: They never questioned anything really.

615
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: And I honestly, I think that's the biggest struggle. People

616
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: do come out, but they're scared. They're scared because of

617
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: just the old school mentality and what was expected because

618
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: how that how that works in Italy was you are

619
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: raised to get married and have a family. Yeah, and

620
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: that is and that is that is it. It's very

621
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: plain and simple. So they're like, if you can't follow it,

622
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: what it's like, this is this is the this is

623
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: the the look book basically gets.

624
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: Drawn out for you. So I mean, I totally get it,

625
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: and I to.

626
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: Have to for a kid to fear telling their parents

627
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: something that it breaks my heart.

628
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: It does, and it also like it really does affect them,

629
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: like even beyond their childhood. Of course, like when you

630
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: grow up with that sense of like fear, I feel

631
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: like you're not able to ever reach the level of

632
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: confidence that will make you like successful in a business sense,

633
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: successful in like a like relationship with like a significant other.

634
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: I feel like it really does create like a like

635
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: a dark cloud that like you have to like deal

636
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: with when you get older.

637
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, even in you know again, like

638
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: you were saying, like confidence in school, even as like

639
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: a little kid, it could probably that that could stick

640
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: with you forever. That's why so many people always talk

641
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: about like drama, it happens when you're younger.

642
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 3: It's true.

643
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: It happens when you're younger and stays with you until

644
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: you're older.

645
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: And it's a matter of how you work towards that

646
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: to resolve it, whether it's therapy or but all the

647
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: issues start from whatever.

648
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 3: You experienced when you were younger.

649
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: So obviously, you know your family was so amazing during

650
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: your transition, and I'm so happy for you that you

651
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: have such an amazing support system.

652
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: How are your friends.

653
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: I mean, everyone was very much. I don't like to

654
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: say this, but I do feel like it's true. I

655
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 3: think I grew up in a little bit of a bubble,

656
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: like even in college, like I would say, like up

657
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: until even when I was working a full time job,

658
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: Like I was very much growing up in a bubble,

659
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: And like I spent so much of my life surrounded

660
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: by people who just didn't question me, let me live

661
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: my life, let me be myself, and for better or worse,

662
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: it created like this sense of like blind confidence of like, well,

663
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: if everyone's believing in me, then I guess I gotta

664
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 3: believe in myself too. So yeah, all my friends were

665
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: so supportive. Like everyone I worked with was supportive. Everyone

666
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: I went to school with was supportive. Of all the teachers,

667
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: Like everybody was just like Letimira do her thing, like

668
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: she's figuring herself out.

669
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Speaker 1: What do you think the hardest part of your transition

670
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: process was the emotional side or the physical side.

671
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: I think it was probably the emotional side. Like I

672
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: think that I I knew that I had just like

673
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: I knew I felt this need that I had to

674
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: like live my life the way that I wanted to,

675
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: and it was never really a question of like disappointing

676
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: anyone or like changing myself or anything. I think the

677
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: emotional side was just like knowing that there are some

678
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: things that I may have missed out on, like growing up,

679
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: and looking back on that, I wish that, you know,

680
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: like I wish I could go back in time and like,

681
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: you know, have transitioned younger or maybe if I was

682
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 3: you know whatever. Yeah. Yeah, So I think that for me,

683
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: coming to terms with being able to live my life

684
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: how I want now and who I am now, and that,

685
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: to me is has been the hardest part, but it's

686
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 3: been good. Like I don't think I don't think about

687
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: it as much anymore.

688
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: And you shouldn't becose it.

689
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're still so young, so much life to live,

690
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: and you have built your empire and your twenties Like.

691
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: That is well, that's what it's supposed to be.

692
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: So the empire started and is still going in your twenties,

693
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: and that is that's all that. People say, You know,

694
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: you are become who you are in your twenties and

695
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: then adulting happens.

696
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: But we're pretty mature. I would say, yeah, we're getting there.

697
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: But obviously you are studying glowing, gorgeous and confident. And

698
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: like you just said, you kind of grew up in

699
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: this bubble where you felt like confidence was almost always

700
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: around you and that's how your confidence grew. But what

701
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: do you think the key was to you being so

702
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: confident today?

703
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: I think that it was probably my mom. And I'm

704
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: trying not to cry because I just love it so much.

705
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 3: I think that my mom really spent so much time

706
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 3: great and like literally cry. My mom spent so much

707
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: time and like energy raising me to be myself, and

708
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: I like love her so much, like she genuinely is

709
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: my best friend, and I think that if it wasn't

710
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 3: for her, I don't know if I would have lived

711
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: my life the way I am now. And my dad too,

712
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: both of them, they're like the most supportive parents that

713
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 3: I could have ever asked for and that I wish

714
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 3: every single kid could have.

715
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, have the show's throughout my whole body.

716
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: Just you know, for anyone going through a similar situation

717
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: or who is in the LGBTQ committee and who is

718
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: nervous or scared, just know that you always have a voice. Yeah,

719
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: And you know, what is your advice to kids who

720
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: maybe are people who are going through this that maybe

721
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: don't have the most supportive family or support system around them,

722
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: Like who do you think, like like a.

723
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: Is a better like resource or like you know, person

724
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: to go to if they need to like just talk

725
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: about it.

726
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's mainly like when you're going

727
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: through that, it's a battle within your brain and like

728
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: within your body. It's like you feel like you're talking

729
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: to yourself, but you just want to talk to somebody.

730
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the best thing would be to find

731
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: someone in your community that you can just like rely on,

732
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: whether it's a teacher or a friend, or hopefully a

733
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: parent or anyone like a sibling. I think that's like

734
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 3: the most important thing. But also just remember that, like

735
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 3: I think people, when you live your life, you sometimes

736
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: get so caught up in your every day you can't

737
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: see the future and you feel like everything is so permanent.

738
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: But it's not like you can change. You can wake

739
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 3: up one day and decide you want to change your life.

740
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 3: You can wake up one day and you can decide

741
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: you want to be yourself and live the life that

742
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: you've always wanted. Like there's nothing holding you back. We

743
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 3: have one life. We literally are only here for such

744
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: a limited amount of time before we turn into like

745
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 3: worm food, we might as well like go all out

746
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 3: and live our lives the way we're supposed to and you.

747
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 2: Know, even before we turn into warm food. I mean

748
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: that was so funny.

749
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: Like we really don't know what tomorrow brings. Yeah, so

750
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: I feel like the worst thing is like God forbid

751
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: something happens, like knowing that there was more to your

752
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: life that you wanted to achieve and you don't know

753
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: what tomorrow will bring. I mean, the scariest stuff happens

754
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: every day where you sit there and you're.

755
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: Like why why did that just happen? Like that is

756
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: so terrible And.

757
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: That's why, I mean, especially with the world we live

758
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: in today, I feel like that's the biggest you know

759
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: push to say just do what you.

760
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: Want exactly and be who you want to be exactly.

761
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: Twenty nine, you have built such an amazing life for

762
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: yourself living in Soho.

763
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: How did you achieve this lifestyle?

764
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: I think it just it really took time and like

765
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: a lot of smart choices and a lot of hard choices,

766
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: but yeah, it really just took time and focusing on

767
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: my business and focusing on my content and prioritizing the

768
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 3: right thing even when it's hard. I feel like I've

769
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: always been able to do that, like even back in

770
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 3: college and in school. But yeah, I have a very

771
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 3: strong work ethic. I think you do too. I mean,

772
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 3: like I feel like you and I bonded so much

773
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: over that because I think out of our friend group, also,

774
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: you're the only other person that I can relate to

775
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: in that sense of like that really like insane work ethic.

776
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: I mean, everyone has really great work ethic in our

777
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 3: friend group, but yeah, you and I specifically because we

778
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: have similar jobs, we like connected over that. Yeah you

779
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 3: for saying that.

780
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, in twenty twenty four, you bought your family a

781
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: house and you bought yourself a car. Tell me how

782
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: this like extremely generous decision came about. I mean no

783
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: one can say not a lot of people can say

784
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: that they have done that in their twenties for their family.

785
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and in your car is perfect.

786
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: It's like pink Barbie.

787
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 3: Literally, I don't even want to say it's a car.

788
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: Guys, it's a g wagon. Yea has a pink g wagon.

789
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: Literally, No, I think my family so many people were like,

790
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: why didn't you buy yourself an apartment first. Why didn't

791
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: you buy yourself a house first? And I'm like, well,

792
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 3: I would be nothing without my parents literally, but also

793
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 3: it would be nothing without the support and love that

794
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 3: they've given me. So to me, that just made more

795
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 3: sense to like buy them a house.

796
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: And so it was for your mom.

797
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: It's my mom and my little brothers. Yeah, and my

798
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: dad bought a house that's like fifteen minutes away.

799
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: That's great, Yeah, but I mean your mom was probably

800
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,479
Speaker 1: and you know, you just got so emotional about your mom.

801
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: She's been your biggest supporter of the person that has

802
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: been with you obviously and like really helped you throughout

803
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: this entire, your entire journey, and like it's you know,

804
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: it reminds me of how it's supposed to be as

805
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: we get older and as we make money. I think

806
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: our parents expect us to take care of them. I

807
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: would hope, so literally, I would hope. And you know,

808
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: and my mom did that for her parents. They would

809
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: come on every family vacation with us, my nana and no, no,

810
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: because why not, Like you are supposed to treat your

811
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: parents and give them whatever you can, because they gave

812
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: you everything they could exactly and gave you the world.

813
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: So it's true.

814
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, would you say that you are self made?

815
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: So I would say that I am self made, but

816
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 3: it would not be possible without the privileges that I've

817
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: been afforded. And while they've not been as great of

818
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 3: privileges as some of our other friends, and I think

819
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 3: that I wouldn't have been able to go to NYU.

820
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have been able to study in France for

821
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: my freshman year of college. Like that's crazy.

822
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: So you got probably got into the international program.

823
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: Right, yeah? Yeah, but I also, I mean I did

824
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: have a scholarship at NYU, but still it's like then

825
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: able to work or work as an unpaid intern to

826
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 3: then have the career that I have now, it's like

827
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: that there's only so many people who have that privilege.

828
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: So while I am self made, I do like recognize

829
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: that I did have some privileges and some stepping stones

830
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: that helped me get to where I am. And I'm

831
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 3: sure you feel the same way, because like you're self made,

832
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: but like.

833
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: Yes, now I am self made?

834
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: Right?

835
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: Would I say that I was self made in twenty nineteen? No, exactly,

836
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, my hat, my mom and dad got me

837
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: to the place that I am today.

838
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: But then you built from there. Yes, and that's what

839
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 3: is important. And I feel like so many people like

840
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: don't understand that, and they, like, I guess, get antsy

841
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 3: or like annoyed. When people say like, oh, I'm self made,

842
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: I'm self made, They're like, well, no, you're not. I'm like, no,

843
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 3: you don't understand, Like how much more there is behind

844
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 3: the scenes that is actually happening.

845
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and like, yeah, we are self made. Our

846
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: parents don't help us anymore. No, we got to the

847
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: place that we were and have this life because of

848
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: how hard we work. Yes, are we fortunate enough that

849
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: they gave us this life, of course, but this is

850
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: the life I want to give my kids too. Same

851
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: it's that this is the parent I want to be.

852
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: So it's it's a great example for us as well, like

853
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: as we get older.

854
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: So it's like, yes, I love you, thank you for

855
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: being great parents.

856
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: I love you.

857
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: But what is the most expensive brand deal you have

858
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: ever been approached with? And what is one that you

859
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: have turned down?

860
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 3: Most expensive brand deal I've ever been approached with? Hmmm,

861
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 3: I have to think for a.

862
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: Second, take the time.

863
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to hear this. I mean it was

864
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 3: definitely like a high six figures. I feel like for

865
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 3: like a campaign.

866
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: Oh I was I thought we were gonna say like

867
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: six zero zero er.

868
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: I was like, wait what, I want to spit out

869
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: my manchi go what am I doing wrong?

870
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was definitely like a six figure deal. It

871
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 3: was probably something around Pride because I feel like that's

872
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: one area where I don't play around with, like, you know,

873
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 3: working with brands. I'm going to make sure that they're

874
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 3: like coughing it up because I think that's like really important.

875
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 3: But then a brand deal that I've turned down, I

876
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 3: have to think there was. There's definitely been a few.

877
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 3: I've turned down quite a few brands. I turned down

878
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: brands all the time. And if there's a skincare product

879
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: or something that doesn't work with me, like Sunday ry

880
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: Lee for example. I got it was for a vitamin

881
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: C campaign. It was a very very high rate. This

882
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: was a couple of years ago and it was still

883
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: a really high rate. But it was a vitamin C serum.

884
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: And I always try products out before I promote them.

885
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 3: Of course, I'm sure you do the same. Yeah, And

886
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: I'm so glad I did because I tried it on

887
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: and I broke out in full hives. And it was

888
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: the night before the House of Gucci premiere. I'll never

889
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: forget it.

890
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: Oh great, and a mental.

891
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 3: I had a mental breakdown. I was like freaking out.

892
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 3: I was also this is when I was still working

893
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 3: my full time job, actually, and I remember like icing

894
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 3: my face every day and I like sent I like

895
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: sent an email to like the Sunday Eli team, like

896
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: without my management on it. I was like, you guys.

897
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm so so sorry. I was like,

898
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: my management won't explain it the way that I will.

899
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 3: But I was like, I can't do this partnership anymore.

900
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: I love the I love the brand. If there's another

901
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 3: product we can do down the line, let me know,

902
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 3: but I will not be doing this one.

903
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: Wow. I mean valid though, and also just shows like

904
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: very true to your followers and like your brand.

905
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 2: But you can't wait for this question.

906
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: You've mentioned spending around fifty k a month on average.

907
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: Help me understand break this down for me.

908
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 3: I think it's the Uber Blacks probably, but I feel

909
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: like that's that's on a high on a high.

910
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: On a high month. And also that I also think

911
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 2: your rent.

912
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a quarter of it. And my mortgage that

913
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: I pay for the house, and my car and my

914
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 3: mom's car. And I have a lot of people. Yes,

915
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 3: I have a lot of people that I take care of,

916
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: and my team and my publicist. Yeah, you know lawyers.

917
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: Like that includes pretty much everything.

918
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: So there's like a lot at stake.

919
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 3: It's not like that includes my investments that I set

920
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 3: aside every month.

921
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah yeah.

922
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: I was also going to ask you, are you more

923
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: of a saver or more of an investor?

924
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 3: Investor? I love investing. I have an incredible finance to you.

925
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: But you have a Fidelity account.

926
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: I don't have a Fidelity account, and my mom works

927
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: at Fidelity and she berates me every day because I

928
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 3: don't do Fidelity. I have a JP Morgan account and

929
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 3: I have an amazing team at JP Morgan. But no,

930
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 3: I just too yeah period. And I do like my

931
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 3: own crypto investing on the side, like ok just for fun.

932
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: Okay, see I don't understand.

933
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: Oh, I'll teach you down the coinbase.

934
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: Really you do it like that on your phone? Christian?

935
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: Does it? You know? I'm but I feel like I

936
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: would I would trust you.

937
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I feel what to do. Yeah, I think

938
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 3: that finance needs to be a little bit more transparent

939
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 3: for people like us, like in this industry too, It's

940
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 3: like it can be so fun, especially like the girls

941
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 3: in the gays need to be investing their money, Like

942
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: we can't just leave this for the boys.

943
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: No.

944
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 2: Also, all I hear about X.

945
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: You need to buy it, Okay, Yeah, you're in it.

946
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 3: Wait for it, yeah, wait for it to dip, and

947
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: then you need to buy Okay.

948
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, Christian's been in it for like four years.

949
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: I've been It's It's got.

950
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: Rude though, rude that like really informed me about what's

951
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: going on. And then now I hear about it like

952
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: here are these numbers that he's saying.

953
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: Like, oh, if it hits like this is going to

954
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: be really great.

955
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you're splitting the profit, literally splitting anything like.

956
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: Because that's rude, Like rude. Okay.

957
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: So do you see yourself living in New York City

958
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future.

959
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like I'm really happy here

960
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: right now. I've built such a great life for myself

961
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 3: and like, I have so many incredible friends and I've

962
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 3: lived here for almost eight nine years. Now, and I

963
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 3: feel like the only time that I would leave is

964
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: probably when I feel like I'm ready to have kids,

965
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 3: because I don't see myself raising kids in the city

966
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: really okay, I feel like it would be too difficult

967
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: and too expensive.

968
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's true.

969
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's so expensive and you could probably just

970
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: realize the difference of like even when you bought your

971
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: family a home in Texas, like the difference is just insane.

972
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 3: No, like that, how I think you would go back

973
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 3: to Texas? Yeah, yeah, I could see myself doing that.

974
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would. Yeah, it's like I would.

975
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: And even you know, living in Jersey my whole life,

976
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: just seeing how expensive it is to live in Jersey

977
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: compare like the difference of other states. It's wild, and

978
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: I totally understand why people make the move or even

979
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: living in California first, living in New Jersey California is insane.

980
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: So it's just there's the difference of states is like

981
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: really wild, and I mean I totally get it. Kids

982
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: are so expensive too, and I'm like.

983
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: Unfortunately selfish.

984
00:46:54,120 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like two max yeah, same, yeah, right, maybe three, Okay,

985
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 3: that's a lot. Two to three, that's a lot.

986
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 2: I don't know about my What is your favorite thing

987
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: about New York City?

988
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 3: Probably the people. I feel like everyone that I've met

989
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: in New York I've built so many incredible relationships and

990
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 3: so many friendships that I still have today. I'm friends

991
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: with all of my friends from college still, I'm friends

992
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 3: with a lot of my old coworkers, a lot of

993
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 3: people that I worked with when I was in, you know,

994
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: on the other side of the industry. And yeah, I

995
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: think the people in New York are there's nothing else

996
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 3: like it. There's no other city that.

997
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 2: Has If you're worried about meeting people, move here. Moved

998
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 2: to New York. Yeah. So we both have boyfriends that

999
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 2: are in the public eye.

1000
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: What do you think is a fair balance between them

1001
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: obviously supporting us, but then they also want to live

1002
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: their normal life and them adjusting to this world is

1003
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: definitely difficult at times, And I feel like they both,

1004
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: both of our boyfriends do a very good job of

1005
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: supporting us and really making us feel supported, but there's

1006
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: a fine line of when it's too much for them.

1007
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: Or we want more.

1008
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, what.

1009
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 2: Do you think is like a good balance?

1010
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: It's hard. I feel like we have been in this industry,

1011
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: we understand it so well, and I think for anyone

1012
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 3: who's dating someone in the spotlight, it can be so

1013
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 3: intimidating and so overwhelming and it's scary. They didn't sign

1014
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 3: up for this. We did, yeah, And like, I think

1015
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 3: the biggest thing that I've learned in my years of

1016
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 3: doing this is that, like, I have to try my

1017
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 3: best to put myself in their shoes and have empathy

1018
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: for that situation, but at the same time communicate my

1019
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: needs and it's not something that can go unset. I

1020
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 3: feel like there are so many things in relationships that

1021
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 3: are just like expectations, like you expect your boyfriend to

1022
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 3: buy you flowers and celebrate your anniversaries, But like when

1023
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 3: you're in this industry, there's a new layer of expectations

1024
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: that then get added on where it's like I expect

1025
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 3: you to show ap and support me in my work endeavors. Yes,

1026
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: but also like are you going to come with me

1027
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 3: to do this red carpet? Like there's other layers of it.

1028
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: Are you okay with being in these photos? Are you

1029
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 3: okay with.

1030
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 2: Filming this scene?

1031
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 3: Right?

1032
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: And there's layers of that where yes, it comes so

1033
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: natural to us but then it's scary for them because again,

1034
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: they did not sign up for this, So asking them

1035
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 1: to film a scene, to be on a red carpet,

1036
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: even be in a TikTok video with us, that is.

1037
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: Exposing more and more of their life.

1038
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 3: To the public, right that they might not want exactly.

1039
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, I think you and I

1040
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: both balance it very well, and we both respect our boyfriends,

1041
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, boundaries and decisions because I kind of like

1042
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: that they're.

1043
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: Not very mostly not gonna lie.

1044
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 3: I don't think I would ever date someone in the

1045
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 3: public eye.

1046
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's refreshing, you know.

1047
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: It's this feeling of Okay, I you're like so amazing

1048
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: and you don't like, you're not like what is it

1049
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: called like blindness, Like they're not blind by like the public,

1050
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I just I feel like that

1051
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: is something that a lot of people sometimes like and cherish,

1052
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: is like having their relationship a little separate but showing

1053
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: glimpse of it.

1054
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 2: And I think that's.

1055
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: I think that's what you and I have both like done,

1056
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 3: We've been trying to do that. I think that's it's

1057
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 3: also cool for people to see because I think it

1058
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 3: gives them more of a respect for the relationship and

1059
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 3: they're like, Okay, wow, that's not just like for the show.

1060
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 3: It's like they're like, actually, like this is like a

1061
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 3: long term or like a serious you know, like there,

1062
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 3: it's something we.

1063
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: Have to work through with them, right, not the audience.

1064
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: And as time goes on, I think slowly they become

1065
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: more and more and more comfortable, but it doesn't start

1066
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: off that way, and that's something that's very big. You

1067
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,479
Speaker 1: have to allow them to grow their confidence as well

1068
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: and grow the comfortability of being in this space.

1069
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: Otherwise you're going to scare them away.

1070
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 3: Yea.

1071
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: So this was such an amazing episode. You have made

1072
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: me so happy today and I'm so happy that you

1073
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: felt safe to share your story in this space. And

1074
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: I know so many listeners are going to be so

1075
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: excited to hear from you. But that was it for

1076
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: this week's episode of Casual Chaos.

1077
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: Until next time, Love you guys. Bye.