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Speaker 1: Welcome to One Bills like this snack size version of

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Speaker 1: our daily show One Bills Live, where we spend things

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Speaker 1: a bit faster and a bit different. In this episode,

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Speaker 1: we discussed Buffalo's possible strategy and free agency. Marcelli is

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Speaker 1: widely reminisces with us about the start of his NFL

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Speaker 1: career in Buffalo, and we asked Steve about the pull

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Speaker 1: of a tight knit team when a free agent decision

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Speaker 1: must be made. Let's get it at a Steve Taster

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Speaker 1: who has been all over the fields kind of unique.

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Speaker 1: He was kind of a dual role player for the state.

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Speaker 1: Steve a blimp. We're not even in the stratosphere of normalcy.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us here on one bill Flight, available

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Speaker 1: as listen Steve Taster and Brown with You and Steve.

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Speaker 1: Free agency sits less than two weeks away, and we've

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Speaker 1: spent so much time assessing what the market will look like,

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Speaker 1: particularly on our daily show One Bills Live. Supply will

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Speaker 1: outpace demand with salary cap casualties, It'll be a buyer's market.

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Speaker 1: Lots of one year contracts, the market will soften quickly

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Speaker 1: as teams have less cap space to utilize. That's what

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Speaker 1: we expect the market at large to look like. But

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Speaker 1: what we haven't really discussed specifically is what we anticipate

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Speaker 1: the Bill's strategy to be in the market much at all.

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Speaker 1: So I ask you, what do you believe the Bill's

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Speaker 1: strategy to be in free agency? I think there's no

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Speaker 1: because they don't have cap space right now to really

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Speaker 1: make a big splash, and Brandon being said, we're not

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Speaker 1: gonna make a big splash. However, we know this to

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Speaker 1: be true. They kick the tires on every single player

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Speaker 1: they think that will help them. So they're gonna find

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Speaker 1: out if they can get a guy at a bargain price.

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Speaker 1: I think the plan is or if I can park

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Speaker 1: to get us. I think how it will work out

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Speaker 1: is I think the Bills will sit tight early on

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Speaker 1: in free agency. Now, certainly they'll be on the phone.

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Speaker 1: They'll talk call all the players they think are significant

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Speaker 1: upgrades to their current roster. They're gonna find out if

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Speaker 1: they can get a guy like that on a team

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Speaker 1: have a plan for freeing up cap space. They'll have

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Speaker 1: guys on the line, if not before free agency, then

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Speaker 1: certainly during free agency to say, listen, we need to

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Speaker 1: restructure your deal to give us some cap relief because

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Speaker 1: we got a chance to get a guy who's really

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Speaker 1: going to help us. Or if not, they'll have a list,

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Speaker 1: a short list of guys who they'll say, listen, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to release you like we've seen so many

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Speaker 1: other teams do, and they'll they'll free up cap space

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Speaker 1: that way. But I think if they do sign free agents,

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Speaker 1: it'll be days into free agency where those guys, those

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Speaker 1: particular players will be a significant upgrade to the current

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Speaker 1: also a time when we see the Bills clear some

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Speaker 1: cap space to make it happen. Yeah, I tend to

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Speaker 1: their restrictive cap situation. We saw how they reacted when J. J.

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Speaker 1: Watt became available. They jumped into the fray and said,

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Speaker 1: significantly better. In the end, it turned into a bidding

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Speaker 1: But I think they are certainly preparing any and all

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Speaker 1: if von Miller gets clipped, we have to make decisions A,

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Speaker 1: That's the most interesting thing to me, Steve about this

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Speaker 1: But it's also a place where on a free agent

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Speaker 1: big on the grand scale exposure, high profile exposure, and

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Speaker 1: Those four guys are the most likely candidates to say, listen,

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Speaker 1: the thing too, I mean, you want to start trading

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Speaker 1: believe the combination of players, in their eyes, will make

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Speaker 1: of do you have a separate short term plan now

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Speaker 1: Where beyond those contract extensions, your plan cap wise may

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Speaker 1: The Bills and some of the Bills fan base we've

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Speaker 1: heard this on our show at the Daily Show. They think, man,

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Speaker 1: it's time, it's got you got to do it right now.

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Speaker 1: The Bills are already there. They were there last year.

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Speaker 1: They won thirteen games, they won fifteen games overall in

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Speaker 1: You just keep on keeping on. My point is this,

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Speaker 1: to play better on the day you play the Chiefs, Right. So,

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to diverge from this plan

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Speaker 1: that's got them to this point. This is a point.

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Speaker 1: This is a plan that has kept them competitive three

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs, right, So that's the plan they want

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Speaker 1: you look at what Kansas City has done and granted

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Speaker 1: Yourself with Emmanuel Acho. It is one Marcellus Wiley, author

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Speaker 1: how you doing, man? What's shaking? Oh? A little mouse style? Now, man,

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Speaker 1: Arizona's a sneaky team. They're scary because this is an

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Speaker 1: just explain the level of pressure that's involved when you

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Speaker 1: go to a new team with the big money deal.

428
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: You got to come through on that. Now. I know

429
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Speaker 1: JJ comes with a lot more cashe having been a

430
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: three time defensive Player of the Year. I mean, you

431
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 1: didn't have all of that on your resume yet, but

432
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Speaker 1: just maybe outline the level of pressure involved to live

433
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: up to that kind of a deal. Yes, crazy man,

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Speaker 1: I mean I had two pressure field years in terms

435
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Speaker 1: of expectations. The first year it was in Buffalo actually

436
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: when they released Bruce Smith, Andre reid Dermot Thomas Hall

437
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: on the same day. And here I am a fourth

438
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: year player but never been a starter, and now it's

439
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: my position, and it's the position that I was held

440
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: by Bruce Smith. And then I go into camp and

441
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: I have a back surgery and I can't even walk

442
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: in training camp, let alone play the defensive then position

443
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: and take over for a Bruce Smith like the best

444
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: ever to do it. So that was pressure field. But

445
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: I came I came through that year had my ten

446
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: and a half sacks, and then I go to San

447
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: Diego where they have junior, say out Rodney Harrison, and

448
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: here I come one year as a starter, and I'm

449
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: making more money than all of the other great players

450
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: on that team. And besides the jokes, because they laugh

451
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: at you all the time, they call you big money

452
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: and it makes you pay all the bills and tabs

453
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: everywhere you go. Besides the laughter that comes from that

454
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: is a serious undertone of hey, you you made this money,

455
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: Now earn this money. And I think the greatest thing

456
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: about it. All that you have to remember is whatever

457
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: got you here is gonna get you there. What does

458
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: that mean? The belief in yourself and your performance is

459
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: why you were paid that much to J. J. Watt.

460
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 1: So it's still in you now. All you have to

461
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: do is bring it out. And circumstances do play a part.

462
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 1: Like I said, last year, he just wasn't given the

463
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Speaker 1: same amount of opportunities to wrest the passer. And when

464
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: you're that old and already been injury prone, and then

465
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they see that big stat of

466
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: sacks go down, then everyone starts to cave in on you.

467
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: But JJ wat still has a lot of football I

468
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: think left in them, and he can go out there

469
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: a surprise of many. We just saw Kyle Van Nord

470
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: released by the Dolphins about a fifteen twenty minutes ago.

471
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: A guy just last year signed a fifty one million

472
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: dollars four year deal. He gets kicked to the curb.

473
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: The CAP's gonna get chopped by thirty million dollars instead

474
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Speaker 1: of going up as we usually see it. There's gonna

475
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Speaker 1: be a ton of really good football players out on

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Speaker 1: the street, and it's happening right now with jjat Kyle

477
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Speaker 1: Van Nord. There's going to be others that follow. How

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Speaker 1: do you think this is gonna play out in the

479
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Speaker 1: big picture for the NFL, not only this year going

480
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Speaker 1: forward with a smaller cap, but maybe next year when

481
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: it bounces back. Yeah, that's interesting. Man. It's a crazy

482
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: time to be a player, crazier time to be an

483
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: agent because everyone's living off these projections. Then it's affecting

484
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Speaker 1: the people. We talked about JJ Watton, his future Captain

485
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: America is now out of Houston and it is in Arizona.

486
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: You talk about Van Nois, Let's talk about Dak Prescott,

487
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: a guy whose deal is still up in the air

488
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: in part because of these same projections going back to

489
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: last year, Dak wanted to match his deal with the

490
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Speaker 1: TV deal and with the CBA and Jerry Jones being

491
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: a smart business man, and doesn't want it to match

492
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: up with that because obviously he'll be right back at

493
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: the negotiating table before you blink and getting more money.

494
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: So it's crazy how it's all playing out right now.

495
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: But the thing that you gotta hold if you're one

496
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: of those type of players is to playing performance card,

497
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: which is I am a baller. No matter where I go,

498
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: I can have impact. And I think it all works

499
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: itself out once you're one of those players that can

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00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: provide impacts. So as we played the game before, Steve,

501
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: you know how it goes, man. They're always looking for

502
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: the better, younger, stronger, faster, cheaper version of you. I

503
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: remember when I got paid the first time, everyone kept

504
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: coming up to me and saying congratulations, while you know

505
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: they're upstairs trying to figure out how to get that

506
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: money back right now. So it's the way the game goes.

507
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: The nature to beach. But if you're a baller, you'll

508
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 1: find a home and they'll take care of you. I

509
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: just wonder, Marcellus, when you think about the free agency

510
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: this year, the great anticipation is there's going to be

511
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: this glut of talent thrust into the market with all

512
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: these teams trying to navigate this restrictive cap, and everybody's

513
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: predicting this buyer's market. After the initial wave, you know,

514
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: the top guys are gonna get their money in week one,

515
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: we all know that. But after that the market has

516
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: a real likelihood of softening in a hurry, where some

517
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: guys who right now have contracts for eight or ten

518
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: million a year are gonna get clipped and they may

519
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: have to play on a one year deal in the fall.

520
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: For me, behalf that and hope they can bet on

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00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: themselves and succeed with some of the circumstances that you've

522
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: outlined For JJ, you know, it's a matter of circumstance.

523
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: You gotta hope bet on you and hope you get

524
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: the opportunities to maximize your values. So when you go

525
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: back into the market next year, you can swing big

526
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: when the cap gets more in line with where it

527
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: should be. So how unnerving is that going to be

528
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: for some of these vets, you know, going out into

529
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: the market and having to prove it on a one

530
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: year deal. Probably in some cases, yeah, you touched on

531
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: a lot there. Man. It takes me to some examples

532
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: of real estate and in terms of when do you

533
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: sell your house. You know that you have equity in it,

534
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: you know that you love it, but at the same time,

535
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: when do you sell as if the buyer's market, it's

536
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: a seller's market. And the biggest difference between being a

537
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: professional athlete and selling your home is you have a

538
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 1: finite shelf life when you're an athlete. You can even

539
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: play for so long. You can live in that house

540
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: as long as you want to. And it's just about

541
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: right now those circumstances. And I'm glad you highlighted that

542
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of fans don't understand the

543
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: devil in the details of being a professional athlete. So

544
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: to personalize it once again, part of my decline was

545
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: just lack of performance. Part of my decline was also injuries.

546
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: Part of my decline also was Hey, you got rid

547
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: of Junior say out, Rodney Harrison, John Parrello all in

548
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: the same year. It's like, now all of that at

549
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: tension starts to focus in on one person instead of

550
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: a collective, and therefore it's that much more difficult to

551
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: be the guy. And J. J. Watt had to experience

552
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: that as well, when you start to see a team

553
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: not ran properly and they're starting to lose pieces around them,

554
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: especially when you look at a four and twelve team.

555
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: Being a pass rush on a four and twelve team

556
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: is not something most guy sign up for. I mean,

557
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: you talking about third and fourth quarters is nothing but

558
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: run defense basically. So it's crazy to have to bet

559
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: on yourself in this moment, but it always levels itself

560
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: out if you can endure the process. What I mean

561
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: by that is I remember talking to Bruce a bunch

562
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: of times, and the only reason I got more money

563
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: than Bruce was my birth certificate circumstances. I was just

564
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: a younger version and cheaper version and half as good

565
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: as him. But that turns into more money, and it's

566
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: gonna work that way for these guys if they can

567
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: perform on short deals as well, because when the CBA

568
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: bumps back up, when the TV deals are finalized, my goodness,

569
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna be looking for guys to throw money at.

570
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: And we've seen that in years past is just right now.

571
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: It's a downward cycle more than likely for the masses.

572
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: But the top echelon guys always survived this, and then

573
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: going forward a year or two, you'll see the middle

574
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: class garing to survive and thrive as well. You came

575
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: out of Compton, California and went to Columbia University up

576
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. Three pretty varied destinations in your life. What

577
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: do you remember about your time in Buffalo? You were

578
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: here for four years and when you got out of

579
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: your rookie contract, you were a highly sought after free

580
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: agent yourself. How do you what do you remember about

581
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: your time here in Buffalo? Oh? Man, it was just

582
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: so focused on football, like everyone had their priorities in

583
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: order being a Buffalo Bill. It was just great fanfare,

584
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: Like I remember one I remember having a Regal Cinema

585
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: card that they gave all the Buffalo Bills players and

586
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: we used to go to the movies like every single week.

587
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: That was amazing. I remember how it was like this

588
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: big city that felt like a small family. Like everywhere

589
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: you went people showed you a proper respect, but they

590
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: also showed your a reverence like you're a Buffalo bill

591
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: and it was just a great introduction to the NFL,

592
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: a story franchise with a huge fan base and that

593
00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: they prioritized football. I remember being around guys like Stephen

594
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: and like I said, Bruce Andre Thurman and just seeing

595
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: living legends of the game and getting to watch you

596
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: guys even when you weren't having direct contact. Just the

597
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: osmosis of learning how this guy became so great and

598
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: what he does to take care of himself on the

599
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: field and off the field. So the greatest experience was

600
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: just like I went to a graduate school of greatness

601
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: in terms of football as this focus. So Buffalo was

602
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: amazing to me. The first winner slapped me in the face.

603
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: It hit me hard. Other than that, I really enjoyed

604
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: everything about it. I am going to relay two stories,

605
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: one that you told me and the other that I

606
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: witnessed in the locker room. I'm gonna see if you

607
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: remember this, Okay, So first one, we were asking you

608
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: as a young player, you know what you try to

609
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: learn from Bruce, and you know you talk about conversations

610
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: that you had with him and little tips that you

611
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: tried to pick up. And then someone tried to follow

612
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: up with a question saying, well, what about mimicking what

613
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: he does? And you said, and I'm paraphrasing here, but

614
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: you basically said, we watched Bruce kind of bend the

615
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: edge and he contorts his body in a way that

616
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: I said, oh, let me try to do that. And

617
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: you said you tried to do it three times in

618
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: a row, and every single time you fell down. Do

619
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: you remember talking about that? Oh my god, I remember

620
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: talking about I remember going through it, I remember trying it.

621
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: I remember like the days. The first time I saw

622
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: Bruce Smith pass for us in practice, he had on

623
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: a hat, a buffalo bill's hat, he had on some

624
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: gray sweats, and his legs were crossed, just standing looking

625
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: at us like he basically looked like your dad showed

626
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: up the practice because we were all in full gear

627
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: and he was just sitting there like pops. And I

628
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: was like, I know, he's Bruce Smith, so he's taking

629
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: it like taking it easy. And I think finally Marv

630
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: Leaves like, hey, Bruce, you're gonna give us a rep.

631
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, took his hat off, put his

632
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: helmet on. He's still not in full pats and everyone

633
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: else is. And he did that dentist swhite move and

634
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: it's I swear it looked like he was jogging. I

635
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: swear it looked like he wasn't being intense and it

636
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: worked to perfection. And I just used to look at

637
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: him in marvel, like his hip band, his contortion. I

638
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: used to think of him as like a rubber band man,

639
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: like he could just flex in places and ways that

640
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: no one else could. And so I quickly came to

641
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: realize that that's why he was the number one overall pigot,

642
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: that's why he's Bruce Smith. And it's okay, you can't

643
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: do that, but there's something in my game that he

644
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: may look at and say, hey, I don't even try that.

645
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: And I was more of a power rusher than Bruce Smith,

646
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: and I got labeled as Bruce Smith, who was more

647
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: of a speed quickness, the looser rusher. I should have

648
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: just thrown that label off me quickly because then I

649
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: probably still be playing because they would have thought of

650
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: me as a run stopper. But point being, Bruce Smith

651
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: is in the class by itself, and I still say

652
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: it to this day, the greatest pass rusher ever seen.

653
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: Now here's the second one. Okay, it's your rook a year,

654
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: and the fifty three man roster has just been established,

655
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: so it's like early September. It's not weak one yet.

656
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: And you guys are in the locker room and Pat

657
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: Williams makes the team as an undrafted rookie. Okay, Pat decides.

658
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: Pat decides in the locker room, this is what the

659
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: media in the locker room, by the way, you know,

660
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: just doing our normal stuff. And Pat decides he's gonna

661
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: start chirping at Ted Washington, okay from across the locker room.

662
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: Still a rookie here. Okay, hazing still exists, as you know.

663
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: So Pat doesn't stop talking. He's chirp and chirp and

664
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: chirp and chirping. I think he's got his jockey shorts

665
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: on and not much else, in a towel over his shoulder.

666
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: He turns his head away and in about the blink

667
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: of an eye, Ted Washington is across the locker room

668
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: with a roll of medical tape and he's got Pat

669
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: on the ground, flat on his stomach, and he's hog

670
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: tieing him in about ten seconds, and Pat is screaming

671
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: across the locker room for you to help him. Do

672
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: you remember this heh, Yeah, I remember this going. If

673
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: you want me to tell and tell me finish it

674
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: up for us, Marcellus, because you didn't help him, and

675
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: Pat shouldn't have been chirping like look, I was like Pat.

676
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: See Pat Ted had this great relationship because Pat was

677
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: like a mini version of Ted and he wanted to

678
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: be Ted and I got it like I wanted to

679
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: be roofed. So we had our family relationships. But I

680
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: wasn't about to cross family lines, especially with Mount Washington.

681
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: So I'm laughing because Pat would say stuff to Ted

682
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: that others couldn't get away with. But even Ted would

683
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: stop him at a certain point. I ain't Pat, like

684
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: calm down. And that day I remember Pat, like you said,

685
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 1: getting tied up. I remember him getting the baby powder

686
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: thrown on him with the baby oil. I remember in

687
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: him throwing him in the hot tub. I remember him

688
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: duct taping him to the gold post, and I remember thinking, Okay,

689
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: pass my roommate. So I know I'm gonna hear about

690
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: this later if I don't jump in and help him.

691
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: But I'd rather deal with the hell of Pat in

692
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: a room one on one then Ted Washington in the

693
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: locker room. Yeah, that's a good judge because that was

694
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: the biggest, strongest dude and the nicest cat you ever

695
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: can meet. But man, that day was hilarious. I tell

696
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: that story a lot because it's just a different world

697
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: now versus when we played, and you can't get away

698
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: with that stuff right now. But that was a write

699
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: of passage back then. And Pat, Yeah, Pat went through it. Man,

700
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: he went through the fire, but he is. That was

701
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: the fastest I have ever seen a three hundred and

702
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: fifteen pound man subdued in my entire life, and I

703
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: don't think it'll ever be topped, because I'm telling you,

704
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: I told Steve this the other day right here on

705
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: the show. A three hundred and eighty pound man moved

706
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: that quick across the locker room in the blink of

707
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: an eye and then subdue a three hundred and fifteen

708
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: pound man in the span of about fifteen seconds. Yeah,

709
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: it was unreal, man, How about this. I remember one

710
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 1: day Jamie Nails was talking and Ted looked at him,

711
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: and remember how big Nails got yea four nineteen. I

712
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: remember one day Jamie had to weigh himself and I

713
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: was like, I have to see this because he's just

714
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: got too big. And I remember looking and I, first

715
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: of all, it blew my mind that a scale even

716
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: had a four digit in the front, but it went

717
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: four one nine. I was like, damn and as big

718
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 1: as nails was because I had to go against him

719
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: every single day, so I felt that pain. He never

720
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: messed with Ted. No one we knew messed with Ted

721
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: except Pat, because Pat wanted to be Ted, and he

722
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: found out the hard way. I've said it one hundred times,

723
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: said to people who had Ted. Washington was one of

724
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: the most unique athletes I have ever witnessed. He is.

725
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: He was phenomenally I he had. He's a Hall of

726
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: Famer in my book because he played forever, every defense

727
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: he was ever on, every defense he was ever on,

728
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: was in top five rush defense. And I remember you

729
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: get offensive lineman who would tell you once a ball snapped,

730
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: if you let him get his hip set, you can't

731
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: move him. You can get all both guards and the center,

732
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: you can't move him. You watch films of Ted. The

733
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage never moved man. He was there, and

734
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: it was like you had to run around him. You

735
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: had to run around. Yeah, he had cat feet. I

736
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: mean he had a little kitten feet and you're like,

737
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: this is a three hundred and four and a pound

738
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: man and he moved so fast and that punch, the

739
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: power that punch. All right, since we're talking Ted, I

740
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: gotta give my last story off. Ted. Ted changed how

741
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: I looked at the game in terms of business. One

742
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: day snowstorm, I'm stuck. I couldn't get I couldn't get

743
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: to practice. Ted picks me up. I remember sitting in

744
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: his truck and it was a mess. But he had

745
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: a hummer and hummers just came out. Arnold Schwarzenegger and

746
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: Ted where the only two people would hummers. And I

747
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: was like, this is amazing. And then the slummer with

748
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: Big Ted and it's just McDonald's rappers and like a

749
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: hot dog rapper. Like just a mess. Right, So I'm

750
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: moving everything and while I'm moving things, I see two

751
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: of our game checks. I'm like, Ted, you got your

752
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: game checks here? What you want to do here? And

753
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: he was like no, I put them in my glove compartment.

754
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: Now I'm still a youngster, so I'm like, Tad, I'm scrappy.

755
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, let me look at these game checks. They

756
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: were four hundred thousand and five hundred thousand uncast. So

757
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: while I'm putting them in the glove compartment, I'm like, Ted,

758
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: it's like nine tored thousand dollars right here. You haven't

759
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: even cast you that. He said that ain't my gang checks, man,

760
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: that's my all season stuff. Put that up while I

761
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: stopped being in my business, and my mind went boo.

762
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, this dude is different. Man. I couldn't believe it.

763
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: He just had it. They're trashed out with McDonald's rappers. Okay, yeah,

764
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: so last one here for me. Okay. As Steve mentioned,

765
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: you grow up in Compton, you go to Columbia, and

766
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: then your first after Marv's last year, you your next

767
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: head coach is a guy from Texas, I mean, as

768
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: country bumpkin as it gets. So how weird was that

769
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: to go from? I mean you had him as a

770
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, so you kind of knew, but just having

771
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: weighed and that personality, you know, good old country boy

772
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: as a head coach, that had to be like an adjustment.

773
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: Wade is still a friend of mine, man, I respect

774
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: them so much. And so you go from Marv Levy,

775
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: who you revere, and you're like, that's Marv Levy and

776
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: every time he would talk it was so inspirational and educational.

777
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: It was it was a different approach to motivating the

778
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: group and whether it was a Civil War story, revolutionary

779
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: wars like Marvel would pull out a story from anywhere,

780
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,959
Speaker 1: and he was so intelligent that it would always hit home.

781
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: And then you get Wade, who was a man of

782
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: fewer words, but they still packed that punch. Wade got

783
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: a bad rap one because he is just a guy's like,

784
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: hey whatever, he seems that way. But I remember vividly

785
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: how Wade said, I would never be the guy dog

786
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: cursing you on Sunday because that would just tell everyone

787
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: I didn't do my job Monday through Saturday preparing you.

788
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: And it was interesting watching Wade without headset go out

789
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: there win ten games, win eleven games, win games because

790
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: we were fully prepared. Now we know he got caught

791
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: up in the tug awar of Rob Johnson, Dub Flutie

792
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 1: and how Ralph Wilson and how all that really played

793
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: out behind the scenes. But if we win that Music

794
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: City miracle game, we win that Tennessee game, we go

795
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, who knows what happens. It's a

796
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: different conversation about the legacy of Wade Phillips as a

797
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: head coach. I think it's solidified as great as a

798
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, but as a head coach, I'm someone who

799
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: always props him up because Wade would have you fully

800
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: prepared with very little fat in terms of that process

801
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: and preparation. I truly respect the playing for him. Yeah,

802
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: good stuff, Marcella's thanks for spending some time with us.

803
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: Man's great seeing you look great. Oh Man, I appreciate you, guys,

804
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: And tell the Bills man, we were that close. Last

805
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: year was about can we do it? Now? We will

806
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: do it because I think the guys believe so, looking

807
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: forward to seeing them blossom this year. Good to catch

808
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: up to Marcella. Lets take it easy, all right, that's time, okay, Steve.

809
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: We close up this episode of One Bill's Life with

810
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: something I felt that you could speak on. We've heard

811
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: for a few years now about how tightly knit this

812
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: Bill's team is, how guys aren't afraid to use the

813
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: word love in describing how close this group is under

814
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott. Now, I'm not naive enough to think those

815
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: kinds of bonds with teammates supersedes the money in the

816
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: free agent market, players ultimately do what's best for their families.

817
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: But with your experiences when your contract was up and

818
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: being part of what was a very close knit Bills

819
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: team in the early nineties, how much does wanting to

820
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: stay with the teammates you've bonded with way into the

821
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 1: free agent decision. We'll see here in Buffalo and elsewhere

822
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: in the league for guys like John Lisiano, who clearly

823
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: you know is tight with Josh Allen, and you know

824
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: Darryl Williams who played on a cheap contract this year

825
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: and deserves big money. Now, like, how does that all

826
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: weigh in? Like maybe reference personal experience or or some

827
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: other teammates in yours, it does weigh in some. And

828
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: if you get a comparative offer, I mean very close offer,

829
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: you could say, yeah, I'm gonna do it. But it's say,

830
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: for instance, if if it's Matt Milano and the Bills

831
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: are saying, listen, we can give you seven point five

832
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: a year for three years or four years seven point

833
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: five a year average, and you're probably gonna see all

834
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: that money, and you know they give you, We'll give

835
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: you a fifteen of it up front, and you know

836
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: the scrupture it that way. But you get another team

837
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: that is gonna give you eleven point five a year,

838
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: yeah over a three over four year, same length of

839
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: contract and give you half of it up front, there's

840
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: really no decision to be made. Particularly and I know

841
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: this too, if you guys say, well, what about your

842
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: wife and kids wanting to stay in Buffalo? They have

843
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: friends here, and I get all of that. You're talking

844
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: and you're talking about leaving seven figures, like between five

845
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: and ten million dollars just saying no to that extra money,

846
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: extra money. You just can't do that as a responsible

847
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: father and husband. Even if you go to a place

848
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: that is a train wreck. Yeah, that was gonna be

849
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: my next question. If you're going to Houston and it's

850
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: a mess down there, but you're gonna get between five

851
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: and ten million dollars more, you're talking about the same

852
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: wife and kids going with you down there, and you

853
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: just cannot responsibly leave that kind of money and this

854
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: economy and this day and age, that's life changing money.

855
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: That's that's a big difference for you, your wife, your

856
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: children's future. For you're saying for three or four years,

857
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: like just going to college. Right, you can't. You can

858
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: live through that for three or four years, for what

859
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: amounts to sixteen months over three or four years, going

860
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: in spending from from July through if you're not going

861
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: to the playoffs July through December. Yeah, you have to say, yeah,

862
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: I gotta take that and say and your buddies will

863
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: understand you. Your friends who love you and respect you've

864
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: played with, they're gonna say, listen, you gotta take it

865
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: because when push comes to shove, the love and respect

866
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: you have your friends is real. Your friends will tell

867
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: you the same thing, Bro, you can't turn that down.

868
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna love you whether you're a Buffalo Bill or

869
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: a Houston Texan. Yeah, that's the truth of the matter.

870
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: Usually a tightened team and a winning team are one

871
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: and the same because you know that culture usually breeds success.

872
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: So does the player bond or the winning organization carry

873
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: more weight as because you had both of those factors here,

874
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: you know when you were applying. I'm just curious, are

875
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: they one in the same or do you separate it?

876
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: Does one really carry more than the other? Like everybody

877
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: wants to play for a winner, obviously, but it's the

878
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: ying and the Yang. Yeah, you know chicken on the egg. Yes,

879
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: the chicken in the egg. Great teams seem to share

880
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: that common element of if you're on this team, you're

881
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: loved and respecting, You love the guy, right, it's great

882
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 1: it let's go, I'm with you on and bad teams

883
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: don't have that. Now, it's easy to have a good

884
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: time and be an all lovey dovey and all that whin.

885
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 1: You're winning every week too, and you don't win without

886
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: good players. I think it's a more pointed question is

887
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: are the best players on your team the reason for

888
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: both scenarios? Are the best players on your team the

889
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: reason you're winning? Yeah, okay, that's easy to say, probably,

890
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: But are they also the reason everybody loves and respects

891
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: each other. If that's the case, that's your answer, that's

892
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: your answer. The best players on the roster have to

893
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: be the guys who love everybody the most, and they

894
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: have to work hard. And the good part about that

895
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: is I think you have that here in Buffalo right now.

896
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Stefan Diggs, right White, Tremaine Edmonds. Those are

897
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: those guys who are one hundred percent in. Are also

898
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: the guys who drive the ship. They are. They are

899
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: in it and they work and you know, you can

900
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: ask the they work hard. They are committed to being

901
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: better today than they were yesterday. That is that's the

902
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: holy grail. They love you, you know, the all the

903
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 1: camaraderie and the and the the atmosphere of that team

904
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: is great. But if you've got superstar players that you're

905
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: really depending on and they're not kind of they're like,

906
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: I got you, I'm I'm okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. All

907
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: that stuff's fine, but it's about you know, I was

908
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: about me. I gotta do my thing. That undermines it, right,

909
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: So so what they have here actually enhances it, that's right,

910
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 1: And that's what It's the same thing with that nineties

911
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: team as well. It was about certainly we had a

912
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: we had five Hall of Fame guys walking onto the

913
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: fielding and given moment so and all five of those

914
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: guys were just awesome. I mean they they were. We

915
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: knew as role players like me that those guys were

916
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: like if if if they needed to be at if

917
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: they were asked to do something, They're gonna do it,

918
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: and they were gonna do it hard, and you know,

919
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: as to the best of their ability. And they're gonna

920
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: work at doing it. They were in so got all

921
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: the role players down through the roster like me, were like, Okay,

922
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: I gotta do you know, I gotta I'm in, you know,

923
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: let's go right. That's so the com round. It's it's

924
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: more about and it's about who plays that role. If

925
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: you're a truly tremendously great guy, you elevate other players

926
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: around you because of the work ethic you possess, the

927
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 1: amount of unselfishness you display every day during the week,

928
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: every day in practice about trying to get them better

929
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: as well as yourself better. Because guys know, you've already

930
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: made it. You've got a garage full of cash, but

931
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: you're still out there grinding it and doing it and

932
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: helping everybody else get better. And you're all about them. Man,

933
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: oh man, that isn't that hasn't that's almost them the

934
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: magic elixir of having a great team. This is why

935
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: we have Steve here to ask him these things. So

936
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: good on that excellent insight there. That is all the

937
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Speaker 1: time we have this week. We thank you for listening.

938
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Speaker 1: Be sure to subscribe wherever you listen to our weekly episodes,

939
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: and remember when there isn't enough time for one bills

940
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: live Monday to Friday. There is always enough time for

941
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 1: one bill's life. For Steve Tasker, I'm Chris Brown. We'll

942
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Speaker 1: see you next week. Everybody must casting