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Speaker 1: What's happened? Everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Tuesday edition at Texans All Access. Man, it's

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Speaker 2: fun to say that starting the show back again after

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl last night, Monday night, we are back. We

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Speaker 2: are less than two weeks away from the NFL Combine.

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Speaker 2: That's how fast this thing is going. And throughout this offseason, myself,

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Speaker 2: John harrisher hosts this evening and the voice of the Texans,

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Speaker 2: Mark vandermir will take you through everything free agency, draft,

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Speaker 2: restricted free agents, signings, coaches, scheme stuff. We'll do everything

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Speaker 2: on this show, and we've got you tonight talking to

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Speaker 2: little Texans free agents.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Mark, good evening. How you doing.

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Speaker 3: Good evening, Johnny. Yah, it's great to be back. And

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Speaker 3: the Combine is upon us in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: Can't wait for that. That's gonna be fun doing those

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Speaker 3: shows from Indianapolis. The Combine belongs there forever, so yeah.

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Speaker 1: Keep it there.

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Speaker 3: NFL Annual Meeting, otherwise known as the Owners' Meetings, will

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Speaker 3: be in late March in Palm Beach. The Breakers, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: they're gonna be there, so I hope to be there.

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Speaker 1: Springs, California, Palm Beach. Yeah, something there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: palms out there.

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Speaker 2: If you're gonna put in Palm Springs, I was gonna

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Speaker 2: go with you, and I'll just go to La.

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Speaker 1: How far is it from La? Two hours? It's very

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Speaker 1: different weatherwise, right, very desert and all that, very very different.

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Speaker 2: My daughter went probably about six six seven months ago.

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Speaker 1: Loved it, really, absolutely loved it.

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Speaker 3: The hoity toity place, yeah exact.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my daughter. She's a little bougie. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love Beverly Hills. It's so nice. I love that.

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Speaker 1: I'm like Monte Carlos, so great this time of year. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: kidding exactly. I mean that's just that's the way it

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Speaker 1: goes at the list. By the way, I know you

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Speaker 1: have something planned, but no, I know we're gonna.

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Speaker 2: Say, we're gonna say what I got playing? Because you

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Speaker 2: did prep. You did prep work. Now, I literally did

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Speaker 2: prep Johnny, I know a little later in the show,

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Speaker 2: Johnas and Alexander will join us from the Houston Chronicle.

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Speaker 1: So looking forward to catching up with Jay a little bit. Now.

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Speaker 1: You did prep work, which I like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, talking about Texans free agents, who's back, who's not?

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: One of the things to keep in mind is we

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Speaker 2: did this exercise a little bit last year, and we

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Speaker 2: talked about, Okay, who's coming back, who's not. Texas had

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Speaker 2: a lot of money to spend under the salary cap,

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Speaker 2: so they spent it Bneon Hunter and Denis Gautree as

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Speaker 2: he's out shire Steph Diggs. Now they did some trade.

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Speaker 2: They traded for Joe Mixon but then gave him a contract,

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Speaker 2: traded for Diggs, and that will come up because they

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Speaker 2: readjusted his contract, which is gonna be a big question

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Speaker 2: over the next six days. So there are also some

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Speaker 2: guys that at the end of the year, or even

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Speaker 2: at the signing period coming up in March, I mean,

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Speaker 2: we were about a month away from the new league

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Speaker 2: year starting maybe a little less. I mean that's probably

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Speaker 2: I think it's March fourteenth, double check that during a break.

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Speaker 2: But either way, there are guys that ended up coming

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Speaker 2: back to the Texans and playing a full season for

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Speaker 2: the Texans, but they weren't brought back until OTA's Derek Barnett.

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Speaker 2: People forget this. Derek Barnett was not a guy they

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Speaker 2: brought back until in and around OTAs and he had

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Speaker 2: two touchdowns. Yeah, yeah, one of the leaders that's scoring

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Speaker 2: for the Texans and he's free again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's free again.

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Speaker 2: So let's get into it free agents that the Texans

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Speaker 2: have on the roster currently. Now, before you do that,

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Speaker 2: I mentioned last year they had a lot of money

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Speaker 1: They do not have that.

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Speaker 2: But salary cap money can be kind of funny in

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Speaker 2: a sense like you can move some things around, You

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Speaker 2: could extend guys, you can do some different things with

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Speaker 2: the You can move salary cap money around, but not

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Speaker 1: So just keep that caveat.

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Speaker 2: There that they don't have a ton of cap space

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Speaker 2: to mess around with, but they will have some.

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Speaker 1: But they've got to have some of these guys back. Mark.

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Speaker 3: Well, Johnny, you got the possibility of Derek Stingley Junior,

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Speaker 3: And by possibility, I mean you're gonna ink him this offseason.

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Speaker 1: He's going down a year four. Get done.

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Speaker 3: You got to do it now. He's the premier cornerback

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Speaker 3: pure bean counter standpoint, it's should I put it in

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Speaker 3: air quotes unfortunate that he's at the top of his

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Speaker 3: the top dollar amount to extend him. You just do,

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Speaker 3: and maybe it becomes a tremendous deal for you because

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Speaker 3: in two years he's still there as the top corner

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Speaker 3: and the money is just run away from the situation

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Speaker 3: because hey, you got him back in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 3: when it was a bargain relative to what it's going

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Speaker 3: to be in twenty twenty seven. Yeah, so that happens, Johnny.

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Speaker 3: I've got six guys who I consider if they're not

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Speaker 3: a starter, they're a bonafide, real valuable contributor that you

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Speaker 3: have to replace if you don't resign this player. Understand,

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying you have to resign all these guys,

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Speaker 3: but if you don't reside these people, you must replace

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Speaker 3: them with similar parts. Okay, I hate to say parts relative.

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Speaker 3: Derek Barnett is one of them. He's not a starter,

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Speaker 3: but you have to replace him. Somebody's got to fill

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Speaker 3: that role of the guy coming off the bench on

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's let's do this, Okay, Derek Burnett bringing

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Speaker 2: Derek Barnett back.

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Speaker 3: I'm going in alphabetical order. By the way, that's why

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Speaker 3: I started with b bringing Derek Barnett back. Yeah, grizzled Vet.

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Speaker 2: Draft somebody at that position. Okay, which one of those

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Speaker 2: three do you think makes the most sense. I think

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Speaker 2: you could still get Barnett a good value.

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Speaker 1: I think so too. He's bringing Barnett back. I think

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Speaker 1: it's great value.

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Speaker 3: He's not getting premier pass rusher money at this stage

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Speaker 3: of his life, but he.

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Speaker 1: Still produces in every way, shape or form. So I

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Speaker 1: think for now, and.

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Speaker 3: Look, we're spending Thenaire's money. We're spending all the money. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: then we're spending. We're spending your cap money. This counts,

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Speaker 3: all right, Digs, you know I'm not gonna go Chris Boyd,

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Speaker 1: For now. We're gonna lead those off the table.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about Stefan Diggs, who, in eight games and

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Speaker 3: didn't finish the eighth one, was on his way on pace.

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Speaker 3: Guy said he was on and eight games is no

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Speaker 3: small sample. He was on his way to a one

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Speaker 3: hundred catch, one thousand yard season. Yes, all right, valuable contributor,

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Speaker 3: no doubt starter, Diggs. Look, this is gonna be head

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Speaker 3: on a swivel for the next six days. Like you

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Speaker 3: said Monday, you got to make that decision. Well, it's

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Speaker 3: not even a decision that you make. It's not automatic.

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Speaker 3: You've got to get him to agree correct to a deal.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise it's sixteen million in dead cap money. So I

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Speaker 3: guess the question is we're gonna burn sixteen million and

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Speaker 3: we're gonna have to replace him somehow. Anyway, might as

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Speaker 3: well just pay him all the money. I don't know

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Speaker 3: what I mean by all the money right now, By

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Speaker 3: money because otherwise you're paying sixteen million for nothing. So

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Speaker 3: Diggs will probably get paid. But here's the thing about

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Speaker 3: what I just said. This is a multi year deal

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Speaker 3: we're talking about, not just the one. So you know,

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Speaker 3: he can get a real healthy sum for this year,

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Speaker 3: and what do you determine the value to be moving

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Speaker 3: on past twenty twenty five? And I don't know what

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Speaker 3: his opinion is of his value, he and his agent,

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Speaker 3: what the Texans are thinking, because it's not just about

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Speaker 3: the sixteen this year, it's about moving forward. How many

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Speaker 3: years do you sign him for? We all would love

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Speaker 3: to have Stefan Diggs for twenty twenty five. I don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's this one's really it's complex from

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Speaker 2: this perspective. He's older, he's coming off an injury. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's it.

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you think about it from that perspective, Now,

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Speaker 2: work yourself through. But I was always Sally in Buffalo

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Speaker 2: the other day and he was asking me about that,

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Speaker 2: and I just said, you know, all the stuff that

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Speaker 2: not even a factor.

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Speaker 1: He was a leader. I don't know if I said

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Speaker 1: this story.

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Speaker 2: We were in Minnesota getting our butt kicked, and I

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Speaker 2: walked in did my interview with the Miko, and I

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Speaker 2: have to send it back on my phone.

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Speaker 1: That's how I regard record it.

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Speaker 2: I sent it back on my phone, and as I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to write down the title and send the email,

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Speaker 2: I could hear a voice like just giving it to somebody,

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Speaker 2: and I can't make it out because it's a little

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Speaker 2: I hear that's that's Steph and he is giving it

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Speaker 2: to some of the guys in the offensive line, like

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Speaker 2: giving it to him, and I'm like that aspect, that leadership,

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Speaker 2: the respect he commands, It's worth it. The production is

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Speaker 2: going to be there. Now, how does that all fit

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Speaker 2: in a Nick Kyley offense. We don't know, We have

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Speaker 2: be at a level is going to.

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Speaker 1: Be last year.

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Speaker 2: Would you take Would you take a dig signing and

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Speaker 2: then he produces a hundred catches a yards five touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: would you take that for twenty twenty five?

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Speaker 1: Well, absolutely, I would take it.

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Speaker 3: But it's about the future too, right, It's about the

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Speaker 3: long term nature of it. Does he think that he's

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Speaker 3: a six year contract guy?

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Speaker 1: Or three or two? So I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I would want I'd feel really comfortable with three years

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Speaker 3: and maybe four, but you can get out of it somehow.

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Speaker 3: But if he's playing great, you just keep it going.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: These are things they have to determine, definitely have to determine.

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Speaker 2: And it's going to be a tricky one because, like

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Speaker 2: you said, you got to get it done in the

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Speaker 2: next six days. But here's also what makes it more

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Speaker 2: complicated too. You're not gonna have an opportunity to sit

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Speaker 2: down with a lot of the receivers in this draft

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Speaker 2: that you might have. You might have had a chance

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Speaker 2: to get You had a chance to get to someone

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Speaker 2: with the Senior Bowl, some at the Shrine Bowl, Hula Bowl, whatever,

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Speaker 2: but you're not gonna have that combine experience to sound

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Speaker 2: and go. We love this dude on film and we

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Speaker 2: sat with him, and we love this dude as.

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Speaker 3: Opposed to Sonny Digs because you have to make the decision.

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Speaker 1: You're right, you have to make.

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Speaker 2: The decision now. If you don't have you have information, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but you don't have all of it. Ben McDaniels, your

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Speaker 2: wide receivers coach, has not sat down and looked through

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Speaker 2: all these guys and said, I like this guy and

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Speaker 2: this guy, these are guys we should. You haven't been

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot to consider here, Johnny. But if

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Speaker 2: play with his brother Trayvon Diggs and the Cowboys have

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Speaker 2: It's okay, but they don't really have anybody else to

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Speaker 1: He would take less money to go there.

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Speaker 2: We've never been able to do that. Maybe there's an

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Speaker 2: But that that that's him, Okay.

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Speaker 3: And when I say I think that got to sign him,

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Speaker 3: Both parties have to agree.

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Speaker 2: One year, fifty seven million ain't at work?

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Speaker 3: No, right, that's a lot of money. Yeah, I'm just

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking, this is not the same sport,

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Speaker 3: He's making over fifty this year, that's fitty, and he's

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Speaker 3: The next two guys unrestricted free agents. I'm gonna put

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Speaker 1: They both start.

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Speaker 3: Mario Edwards, Flornzo Fatacassi both unrestricted free agents, and look,

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying they're irreplaceable, but you must replace them

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Speaker 3: if you don't resign them. And maybe somebody else can

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Speaker 3: slide right in there and play great. But those guys

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Speaker 3: you got to make a decision there. They're unrestricted free agents. Look,

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Speaker 3: Mario's been in the league a decade. He's not gonna

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Speaker 3: Maybe bring Folly back. Maybe Demiko's unhappy and he wants

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say something. I hope this doesn't come off

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It feels like maybe those guys are more valuable to

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Speaker 2: Now Mario had the suspension and Foley was injured. I

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Speaker 2: feel like there's still an interior piece that that's needed. Okay, draft, yes,

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Speaker 2: and this is a good draft. How many picks do

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Speaker 1: We're kind, but I feel like I feel like that.

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Speaker 2: I still feel like I always say this about Foley,

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Speaker 2: I still think that finding a young dude that's through fifteen,

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Speaker 1: And would come to Houston to be the cults. I

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Speaker 2: Thought, what did we watch the Eagles? Just do they

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Speaker 2: light not lighten it in like heft. I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: do it relatively fair on both sides. Bring them back,

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Speaker 2: But add a dude, add a dude.

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Speaker 2: You got to have some youth in there, because if

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Speaker 2: you think about it, Mario Settle fully, where's where's your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean going to your four Yeah yeah. And

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Speaker 2: So you've you've got to have I mean, now, Tommy

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Speaker 2: Tommy's like, Tommy's two ninety five, so he's got to

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Speaker 3: Some haf vcational guy for sure. And and look, he'll

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Speaker 3: go with that. And what were we saying last year, Johnny,

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Speaker 3: what were we saying when Rankins left? All right, you

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Speaker 3: know we're thinking, what are we really going to do here?

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Speaker 2: I mean, once I saw, once I saw we signed Fantacasi,

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Speaker 2: I felt better. I didn't know, I'll be honest. I

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Speaker 2: didn't not anticipate Mario having that kind of year until

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Speaker 2: I saw him in OTAs. I'm like, this dude is

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Speaker 2: just man. He looks quick, he looks explosive. And then

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Speaker 3: So Malik, you know we were thinking, oh no, Malik,

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Speaker 3: in the gaps. But you're right, you'd love to really

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Speaker 3: upgrade there and have a dude, like you said, but

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Speaker 3: you can't afford it, dude, right, That's.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Your dude has to come through the drafty. You can't

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Speaker 2: go you can't go sign Dexter Lawrence or somebody like that.

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Speaker 1: You can't.

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Speaker 2: You can't sign an interior hammer, even make a trade

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Speaker 2: cheap draft.

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Speaker 1: The best player of the Giants other than Malik neighbors

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Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence. Oh hell yeah, and he's better than Malik.

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Speaker 2: With Dexter Lawrence in the middle of these two guys,

437
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Speaker 2: will engine you Oh gosh, I mean, let's okay. See,

438
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Speaker 2: so I would like to I would like to bring

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Speaker 2: both back. I think what both of them will find

440
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Speaker 2: is that maybe the importance for them to the Texans

441
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Speaker 2: and the Texans to them, that that won't be maybe

442
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Speaker 2: seen out there for other teams because they've been around

443
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Speaker 2: a little bit. Other teams have had opportunities to go

444
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Speaker 2: snatch them up and they didn't do it. So maybe

445
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,679
Speaker 2: they find out, Hey, the Texans, Texans love us, We

446
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Speaker 2: love the Texans. Let's get something done and bring both back.

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Speaker 2: But bring a dude with them.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you another one that makes things very interesting.

449
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Speaker 3: Eric Murray, who played well Eric Murray. We went into

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Speaker 3: the season thinking, wait a minute, they're gonna move Petri

451
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Speaker 3: there to that spot. That star Nickel, whatever you want

452
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Speaker 3: to call it, and Murray's going to start and play

453
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Speaker 3: every game a lot.

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Speaker 1: Well, you turned out.

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Speaker 3: To be a really good defense, and Murray had a

456
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Speaker 3: pick six in a playoff game, so that was pretty good.

457
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Speaker 3: So Murray had a really nice year for you. And

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Speaker 3: I don't know what they do. I don't think they

459
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Speaker 3: resign him right away. Is this like a day one thing.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it happens later. Maybe he finds a lot of

461
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Speaker 3: money somewhere else right, maybe he's back right away.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But he's an unrestricted free agent. So that's another one

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Speaker 3: we'll be watching. I guess you could say another veteran,

465
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Speaker 3: you draft another safety?

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Speaker 1: How does that? Petris back? Great? And how do you

467
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Speaker 1: play that?

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Speaker 3: Because now you have Jimmy Ward back under contract?

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Speaker 1: How does that work?

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Speaker 3: And look, just because somebody is not a free agent

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean they're back either. Yeah, they might make some

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Speaker 3: moves there that surprise you so and so they're not

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Speaker 3: going to keep them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Here's like.

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Speaker 2: I was a champion of bringing Jimmy Ward here, and

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Speaker 2: I love Jimmy, but he hasn't finished either the last

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Speaker 2: two seasons.

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Speaker 1: But he's so valuable to his team though.

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Speaker 3: It's it's those few volumes, like he gives you some

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Speaker 3: moments where you're thinking, where would we be in that

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Speaker 3: game without him doing that?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: I mean in the Titans game, we are just stepping

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Speaker 2: all over ourselves. He moves to Petrie's position, picks off

485
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Speaker 2: Levis and.

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Speaker 1: Takes it to the house. Show.

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh, Jimmy saved us Denver Broncos Game of

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Speaker 2: twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy saved us. But he's getting a little bit longer

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Speaker 1: in the.

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Speaker 2: Tooth and he hasn't finished either season when we have

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Speaker 2: really really needed him.

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Speaker 1: Contract restructure, keep him around, Jimmy. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to keep Jimmy around. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what this contract is, but I'd love

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Speaker 2: to keep Jimmy around.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: I know here we are talking about you like this, Jimmy.

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Speaker 3: We want you back, want we want you to have

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Speaker 3: your own show every week.

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Speaker 1: I love Jimmy Ward, I always have.

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Speaker 2: But even he would tell you, and he's been hurt

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Speaker 2: the last couple of years, he would he would tell

504
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Speaker 2: you that, like he said, that is availability. That's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing about Eric Murray. I said this a

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Speaker 2: long time ago to Bill O'Brien, A long long time ago.

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Speaker 1: We were talking.

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Speaker 2: He was talking about I remember him scolding me because

509
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Speaker 2: the media, this was before he even took the job.

510
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Speaker 2: The media was saying he was going to take the

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Speaker 2: Texans job. And he was like yelling at me on

512
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Speaker 2: the phone, I haven't taken a job, y'all with either way.

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Speaker 2: And I said, here's I said, here's something you have

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Speaker 2: to consider, Bill. I said, this team has got a

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Speaker 2: lot of high end talent at that point, it's twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: You've got Andre Johnson, You've got JJ Watt, You've got Cushing,

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Speaker 2: You've got a lot of JJ Kareem Arian. You've got

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Speaker 2: a lot of high level talent. What you don't have

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Speaker 2: is the middle class. And to me, you look at

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Speaker 2: championship teams. Look at the Eagles. They're a great example

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Speaker 2: of that. They got the Jalen Carters and they've got

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Speaker 2: you know, the Quinya Mitchell who was the first rounder,

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Speaker 2: and obviously Jalen aj and Vonte and they got but

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Speaker 2: the middle class for them when they when they went

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Speaker 2: to their second defensive line, Mint Williams was killing people.

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Speaker 2: Jylyx Hunt was a rookie who went off the edge,

527
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Speaker 2: was just dialing it up against everybody. Or In Burks

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Speaker 2: is a linebacker who really couldn't stick in San Francisco,

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Speaker 2: but many really fit for the Eagles, and then they

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Speaker 2: go signed Zach Bond and he becomes an All bro

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Speaker 2: in one year. Like your middle class has to be really,

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Speaker 2: really good. And Eric Murray has done everything for this team. Everything,

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that's why you bring him back.

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Speaker 2: You always give a contract to a guy not for

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Speaker 2: what he's done, but what you think he can do

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Speaker 2: and for however long you think he can do it.

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Speaker 2: But Eric Murray has been a backup safety. He has

538
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Speaker 2: been a starting safety, he has been a starting nickel.

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Speaker 2: He has been the guy in special teams when he

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Speaker 2: couldn't get a starting position, when guys are moved around,

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Speaker 2: and he's never complained. He's gone a job and he

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Speaker 2: has been part of that middle class that has really

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Speaker 2: helped this organization.

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Speaker 1: I got a hot take.

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Speaker 3: He's gotten better as he's played more, I've gotten older.

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Speaker 1: I think that's exactly. I think you're exactly right.

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Speaker 2: He knows where to be, he knows where to be,

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Speaker 2: He's got he started as a corner coming out the

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Speaker 2: University of Minnesota. So I think that's helped him because

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Speaker 2: he's got he still has coverage skills, so he doesn't

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Speaker 2: cover like a corner, but he has coverage skills, and

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Speaker 2: I think that helps make him to me, really really interesting.

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Speaker 2: So I think you got sit down on him. What's

554
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Speaker 2: a good number? But my god, you go into a

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Speaker 2: season and you're like, Okay, I don't want to say

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Speaker 2: you run it back at safety, but let's say Peatred

557
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Speaker 2: comes back healthy, Ward comes back healthy. Now Kalin's got

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Speaker 2: a full year under his belt. Yeah, and you got Eric.

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Speaker 2: So you got four guys basically for the three spots

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Speaker 2: of two safety.

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Speaker 3: And one at a nickel. And by the way, for

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Speaker 3: those playing at home, M J. Stewart is also an

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Speaker 3: unrestricted free agents.

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Speaker 2: And that's another guy who has been fantastic on special

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Speaker 2: teams and when he's got an opportunity to play, like

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, he has a big tip for

567
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Speaker 2: an interception against Dallas Cowboys in twenty twenty two. So

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Speaker 2: I feel like you've got to bring back for those guys.

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Speaker 2: Now you mentioned drafting a safety. I was actually just

570
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Speaker 2: going through my safety class today, And to me, I

571
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Speaker 2: think safeties that would work would be guys that are

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Speaker 2: like Eric Murray, that are like m J. Stewart, that

573
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Speaker 2: can learn to play safety, but they step in day

574
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Speaker 2: one and on special teams like you don't need a question,

575
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Speaker 2: Like they're special team stars. Like a guy like Dan

576
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Speaker 2: Jackson Georgia. He ended up doing the same thing at Georgia.

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Speaker 2: He didn't play safety for a long time and then

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Speaker 2: this year he starts. He had some huge plays throughout

579
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Speaker 2: the year, but he's a special teams dude, and you

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Speaker 2: know right away, like you can get that dude on

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Speaker 2: special teams no matter what. And he learns safety, he

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Speaker 2: learns the position, he learns how to play it. He

583
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: doesn't play, but that's the guy you keep because he's

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Speaker 2: got special teams abilities. But down the road he could

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Speaker 2: be your future Eric Murray, your future m J.

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Speaker 1: Stewart.

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Speaker 2: That's a guy that I can draft on day three

588
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Speaker 2: because that's the kind of guy I would look for,

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Speaker 2: you know, going forward at safety. But I want to

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Speaker 2: bring back you know, Peacher's coming back, you know Block's

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Speaker 2: coming back, Jimmy's on under contract.

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Speaker 1: MJ. Eric.

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Speaker 2: I think what you got, you got to bring one

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Speaker 2: of them back, all right, because whatever they do, they're

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Speaker 2: going to help you on special teams.

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Speaker 3: I know we got to get Jonathan in here. We

597
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Speaker 3: do have a lot of other guys special teams. You

598
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Speaker 3: talked about it. Neville Hewett as one. We can talk

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Speaker 3: about that another day. But that's another player you're looking like,

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Speaker 3: that's an interesting one. I want to go through life

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Speaker 3: without Neville Hewitt, who a play linebacker well enough and

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Speaker 3: special teams.

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Speaker 1: Is your best special teams player the last couple of years. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing about Neville before we get to Jonathan.

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Speaker 2: I think that Neville Hewitt came here as a run

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Speaker 2: stuffing linebacker. I think Neville has gotten himself to a

607
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Speaker 2: point where he and he played for the Jets, and

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Speaker 2: I think he led the league in tackles one year

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Speaker 2: he led demon tackles.

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Speaker 1: I think that he at this.

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Speaker 2: Point, even though he's gotten older, a little bit longer

612
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Speaker 2: into tooth, he has gotten better as an all round linebacker,

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Speaker 2: coverage linebacker. A game against Green Bay, we were a worried, like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, Jordan Love's gonna kill us. Nevill's on

615
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Speaker 2: the field with Jake Hansen, They're gonna kill us. Neville

616
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Speaker 2: picks off one of the first passes of the game.

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Speaker 2: He then tips the ball in the fourth quarter that

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Speaker 2: that Murray couldn't snag and bring in that would have

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Speaker 2: won us the game. Neville's improved as an all round

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Speaker 2: linebacker that I could see him maybe testing free agent waters, Okay,

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Speaker 2: wanting to see what's out there for an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: play and start which is not gonna happen, to make

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Speaker 2: your money and make some money doing.

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Speaker 1: It that way. So we'll see man.

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Speaker 2: A lot of decisions to be made by the Texans,

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Speaker 2: But the next one is easy. Get Jonathan Alexander from

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Speaker 2: the Houston Chronicle on the air right now. Well after

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Speaker 2: we break, you'll hear from Jonathan Alexander with Mark and

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Speaker 2: I right here a Texans All Access Welcome back to

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Speaker 2: this Tuesday edition of Texans All Access from the Hundai

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Speaker 2: Texans Radio studio.

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Speaker 1: You know about me, you know about Mark.

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Speaker 2: Do you know about our guest Jonathan Alexander from the

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Speaker 2: Houston Chronicle. We welcome him in right now. Jonathan, Hello,

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Speaker 2: welcome back. It's great to see you. So we're just

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Speaker 2: gonna hit you right in the face with the question

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Speaker 2: that everybody wants to know the one that we just

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Speaker 2: discussed in the first segment, Stefan Diggs.

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Speaker 1: What do you do?

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Speaker 2: Go?

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Speaker 4: Yeah to me, I think, you know, just based on

642
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Speaker 4: what's out there, I think he's one of the better

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Speaker 4: wire receives on the market, and I think extending him

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Speaker 4: before free agency his makes a lot of sense from

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Speaker 4: a financial standpoint. Plus he has a great connection obviously

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Speaker 4: with CJ. Stroud and the other receivers. He made it

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Speaker 4: a huge.

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Speaker 5: Impact on those guys in that room.

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Speaker 4: I think, to me, it makes the most sense to

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Speaker 4: resign him now whether that's happened, Whether that happens, that's

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Speaker 4: another story, of course, But if you ask me, I

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Speaker 4: think it would be wise just considering what's out there

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Speaker 4: and the other options. And I think Stefan Dings is

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Speaker 4: among the best because you know, considering he'll be fine

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Speaker 4: coming off the ACL injury.

656
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Speaker 3: You know, when they acquired him, Jonathan, I thought, okay,

657
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: he has to know that Nico Collins is really could

658
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: It was obvious and we were unsure everybody was how

659
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: it was gonna fit. Who's the real number one? Remember

660
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: those conversations, Well, now we know who the real number

661
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: one is. And I guess he's okay with that, but

662
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: we won't know until and look, signing or not signing

663
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: might not be dependent on that either. But what is

664
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,239
Speaker 3: your thought on how they all fit together? We have

665
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 3: no tank for a while, we don't know when.

666
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: That's gonna be.

667
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 3: But if Diggs is back with Nico, that's a great

668
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: start to your receiving corps. How do you think it

669
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: all fits together and how they might add to that?

670
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think we saw a little bit

671
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 4: of that kind of early in the season, and you know,

672
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 4: Diggs gave a lot of praise to Nico. I think

673
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 4: he understood what was at sake. He understood that Nico

674
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 4: Collins was a guy coming that's his own. He was

675
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 4: one of the best young receivers in the league, and

676
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 4: he knew that he wasn't where he was when he

677
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 4: was with the Buffalo Bills. He wasn't that same guaranteed

678
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 4: one hundred cats, one thousand yard receiver. Now he's still

679
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 4: capable of that, but he's not the number one receiver.

680
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 4: I think he kind of kind of came to terms

681
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 4: with that Seeds start even spoke about it. He said

682
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 4: that all Diggs wanted to do was win, and I

683
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 4: think that's important if you want to implement him back

684
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 4: into your lineup, He's going to have to understand that.

685
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 4: And I think that there was a I liked how

686
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 4: they used him in the slot and he was effective there,

687
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 4: and I think he can continue to be affected there.

688
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 5: He's obviously a smart player.

689
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 4: And he has a lot of value in this room

690
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 4: and it and it makes a life sense to bring

691
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: him back.

692
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Jonathan Alexander from the Houston Chronicle, and

693
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: I forget we haven't talked to Jonathan for a while.

694
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: So there was a very big piece of Texans news.

695
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: Bobby Slowyk moves on and Nick Cayley comes in as

696
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator. Jonathan, you wrote a lot about the

697
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: different offensive coordinator options and that it was great to

698
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: read your stuff throughout this. They end up signing Nick

699
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: Keyley as the offensive coordinator. Your thoughts about Kaylee, your

700
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: thoughts about how maybe it changes the offense if at all,

701
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: and just overall thoughts about the offense at this point

702
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: now that Kaylee is in charge.

703
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

704
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 4: Kaylee obviously was a guy who interviewed with the Texans

705
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three, so they knew of him. Plus

706
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: Nickosario has a relationship with them dating back to the

707
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: Patriots days, So I think all of that helped. But

708
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 4: I think ultimately what it came down to is is

709
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 4: they liked Kaylee's involvement, being that he was a tight

710
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 4: ends coach, his involvement in the past, and then the

711
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 4: running game. He's the first time play caller, and we

712
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 4: don't know what's offense. We can assume that he'll run

713
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 4: some version of the West Coast offense, which you know

714
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 4: they obviously ran in Los Angeles. But I think the

715
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 4: fact that he knows how the running game works, he

716
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 4: knows how the passing game works. The fact that his

717
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 4: tight ends were successful wherever he was at, whether that

718
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 4: was in New England or whether that was in or

719
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 4: whether that was with the Rams, is a huge plus

720
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 4: for the Texans. And you know, everybody I talked to

721
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 4: who worked with Kaylee. I just recently got off the

722
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 4: phone with Lafleur and with the Rams who worked closely

723
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 4: with him, and he says that he's he it was

724
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 4: only a matter of time before he got a job,

725
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 4: This highly intelligent guy. He knows how offenses worked. He

726
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 4: brought what he had learned with him from New England

727
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 4: to Los Angeles and they had a lot of success

728
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 4: in those two years. And the one thing he pointed

729
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 4: out he kept telling me is like all his tight

730
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 4: ends keep in touch with him. They love him to death,

731
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 4: and I think that's important for this Texas offense as

732
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 4: they move forward.

733
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: Very good points.

734
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: So he's you talked with Mike Lafleur, who himself would

735
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: want an offensive coordinator job after being with the Jets,

736
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: But I guess he'll have to wait his turn for

737
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 3: another opportunity there. Jonathan Alexander of the Chronicle with Us

738
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: Jonathan Liam Kohne going to the Jaguars to be their

739
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: new head coach. He's the only Yeah, the due vault

740
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 3: thing was an unfortunate moment for him. But your thoughts

741
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: on that because this is the only new head coach

742
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: in the vision going into twenty twenty.

743
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 4: Five, Yeah, I mean it obviously got off to a

744
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 4: little bit of an awkward start, but you know, you

745
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 4: look at what Liam was able to do, and it's

746
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 4: one year at with the Bucks, and I thought it

747
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 4: was fairly impressive, especially you know, to go from Dave

748
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 4: Canals to lim Combe. You know, I thought what he did,

749
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 4: and they didn't miss a beat on offense. So I anticipate,

750
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 4: you know, the Jaguars looking a lot more improved from

751
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 4: the offensive side of the ball. Now, whether he is

752
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 4: a good coach in general, because I think that there

753
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 4: are a lot of factors involved in being a good coach.

754
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 4: I think you got to be a good leader, you

755
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 4: have to hire a good staff. I think that remains

756
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 4: to be seen. Can everything come together, But I do

757
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 4: think that the Jaguars have the potential to turn things

758
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 4: around offensively and we could potentially see a resurgence of

759
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence. Get back to you know what made him

760
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 4: one of the most highly sought out draft picks in

761
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 4: the past decade.

762
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 3: Wait for both of you, Which was a worse introductory

763
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 3: press conference moment Nick Sirianni with the Eagles. Remember he rumbled, stumbled,

764
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 3: bumbled over some answer. I can't remember all the details,

765
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 3: but I think his was actually worse than Liam Kohane

766
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,959
Speaker 3: going soft spoken Duval trying to I know.

767
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: It's kind of like Cohen didn't just go soft spoken Duvall.

768
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: He put the emphasis on the wrong part of the

769
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: world too, was nervous. What he said actually was dead on.

770
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: He just was nervous trying to say it.

771
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: It's all worked out for him pretty well though.

772
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, four years, two super bowls in a Super Bowl championship,

773
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 2: Any thoughts on that Jonathan winning the press conference versus

774
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: having a bad moment, But it might all work out anyway.

775
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Combs was was super awkward. I mean,

776
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 4: it kind of reminded me of you know, Dan Campbell's

777
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 4: you know, opening where he was saying they were going

778
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 4: to bite off meecats.

779
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, but that was cool. It was it was cool.

780
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 4: It was cool, But it was one of those things

781
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 4: that you say, Okay, five years from now, we're going

782
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 4: to look back on. Yea, And I think five years

783
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 4: from now we're going to look back on to see

784
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 4: if this worked or if it didn't work.

785
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: Jonathan's surprised that the Chiefs.

786
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: Went down the way they did to a dominant Eagles team.

787
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 4: No, not really, because I really didn't anticipate the Chiefs

788
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 4: even making it to the Super Bowl because I thought

789
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 4: they had some deficiencies with their offense. You know, that

790
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 4: offensive line was always suspect. So then when you get

791
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 4: to the Super Bowl and you play against the Philadelphia Eagles,

792
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 4: who have the number one ranked defense in the NFL.

793
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 4: It was just almost a matter of time, and you

794
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 4: saw that they pressured Patrick.

795
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 5: Mahomes like crazy.

796
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: Now I did expect Patrick Mahomes to make it a game,

797
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 4: but I kind of always expected the Eagles to win

798
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 4: because they have you know, they had the best defense

799
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 4: in the league all season and the Chiefs, you know,

800
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 4: had their deficiencies on that offensive line.

801
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: Jonathan, how would you summarize the tech in season? Because

802
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three had its own narrative in the first

803
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: year with Demiko and CJ, and you didn't know if

804
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: they were going to be a playoff team, and they

805
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 3: started to look like one. They became one, and they

806
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 3: won a playoff game. In twenty twenty four, I felt

807
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: like things could have slid in a really bad direction,

808
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: but they didn't. They righted the ship and they got

809
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 3: it going. Unfortunately, could not get past the divisional round again.

810
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: But what do you think, how would you characterize or

811
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: summarize the twenty twenty four campaign now that it's in

812
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 3: the rearview mirror.

813
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 5: I think it was what we should have expected it

814
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 5: to be.

815
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 4: Like, Detexans signed a lot of these Pro Bowl guys

816
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 4: like Joe Mixon and Stefan Diggs and and a lot

817
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 4: of people you know expect them to be a super

818
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 4: Bowl caliber team. But when you take a deeper look

819
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 4: at it, you know other teams also made improvement. So

820
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 4: Ravens made huge improvements, The Bills were steadily improving, and

821
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 4: even in twenty twenty three, Detexans weren't up to that

822
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 4: standard just yet. So I think, you know, there were

823
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 4: some hits and missus, particularly on the offensive line, like

824
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 4: there were some unexpected slide backs with a couple of

825
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 4: the players. And I think this is what we should

826
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 4: have expected. Now you got year three, you learn from

827
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: year two. I think this is where most teams in

828
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 4: their journey take a step up. And I think this

829
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 4: is where we could potentially see the Texans if they

830
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 4: have a good offseason, if see Thestrold takes another step,

831
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 4: if Nick Kaylee is the right fit, I think this

832
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 4: is where we see the Texans take.

833
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: A giant league.

834
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: Jonathan Alexander Aaron Rodgers is going to do what in

835
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, retire, play for one year, try and

836
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: extend with a team that's not very good.

837
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 4: I think he'll probably play for one year with another team.

838
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 4: Which team that'll be, you know, I could depending on

839
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 4: who the Raiders are able to get in the draft.

840
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 5: I think it could be the Raiders.

841
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: That's what I thought of too. Yeah, the Raiders are

842
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: the team I thought of too.

843
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could see that happening. But I do think

844
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers is going to play another year. It'll be

845
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 4: interesting to see what he can do with the new group.

846
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 4: And you know, I don't know what pieces will have

847
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 4: around him, but I definitely think he'll play another year.

848
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 3: All Right, So I'm gonna list a few free agents here.

849
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 3: You give me who's the most likely among this group

850
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 3: to be back. I'll leave Digs out of it for now,

851
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: but here are your names. Derek Barnett, Mario Edwards, Fully Fundacasi,

852
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: and Eric Murray. Give me your most likely among those

853
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 3: to be back.

854
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 4: Oh okay, that is great, because I did talk to

855
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 4: Eric Murray. He wants to be back, So I'm gonna

856
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 4: say he's most likely back.

857
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 5: Okay, because I know he wants to be back.

858
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 4: Now, the Texans will probably try to bring back Fully

859
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 4: or Mario, but I also think that there's a chance

860
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 4: that if they don't bring those guys back then. One

861
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 4: of those guys could choose to go to Atlanta, where

862
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 4: you all know Nate oli recently. So I think those

863
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 4: probably those three are probably the most likely to return.

864
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 5: But I'll say Eric Murray is most likely out of

865
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 5: those guys.

866
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: That's a great hire for Atlanta man, Nate, And that's

867
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: a real sneaky bad loss for this staff.

868
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Keevian Rod right was big. I mean having

869
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: Rod right here, getting him here defensive line coach. But

870
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: they were they were Mutt and Jeff. They were always together,

871
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 2: Peanut butter and jelly. Wherever you saw Rod, you saw Nate.

872
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: Tight group Nate. They loved them, loved them. That's gonna

873
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Speaker 2: be a bigger loss than people think. So hopefully the

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Speaker 2: personnel losses aren't big as well. But we have not

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Speaker 2: lost our guy, Johnathan Alexander Jay. I appreciate you, brother,

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Speaker 2: thank you for stepping in.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. I appreciate you'all having me all right.

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Speaker 2: Coming up now, it's Tuesday's top three, the top three

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Speaker 2: Texans free agent signings in the history of the franchise.

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Speaker 2: Mark will come up with his top three next right

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Speaker 2: here in Texans All Access. We got one final segment

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Speaker 2: on this Tuesday evening, wet and ugly wherever you are,

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Speaker 2: but you know it's another day and it's a good one.

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Speaker 2: John Harris along with Mark Vandermere's Texans All Access, and

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Speaker 2: we are going to do this to end every Tuesday show. Now,

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Speaker 2: typically Mark drives Tuesday, but we traded days and I

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Speaker 2: got a lunch to be named later out of the deal.

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Speaker 1: So I felt very happy with that because Mark drove

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Speaker 1: last night. So Mark our.

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Speaker 2: Tuesday top three topic this evening for you to hash

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Speaker 2: out over the next few minutes, the top three Texans

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Speaker 2: free agent signings in the history of the franchise.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, I think it's important to know.

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Speaker 3: People listening are going to think, well, well, wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: we just we got Joe Mixed and Stefan Diggs.

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Speaker 1: This offseasons.

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Speaker 3: They're trades, trades or trades some so they're out acquisitions

898
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Speaker 3: you think are free agents, but they're not. Matt Schaub

899
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Speaker 3: was a trade with the Atlanta Falcons, so you have

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Speaker 3: to remember things like that. But absolutely all right, so

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you let's go in particular particular order.

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Speaker 1: We'll rank him at the end. Once we get to three.

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Speaker 3: We like all right, Daniel Hunter's in there because daneil had.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, he has one more big game and

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Speaker 3: it's dpoy material.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 3: It was that good for Daniel Hunter that I don't

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Speaker 3: know if we talk enough about what he meant for

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Speaker 3: this team.

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Speaker 1: He's incredible.

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Speaker 3: When you look at what Will did on the other side,

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Speaker 3: and after winning Droy in twenty twenty three, Will had

913
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Speaker 3: a tremendous sophomore campaign. He really did. So the future

914
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Speaker 3: is so bright. You got both these guys back next year.

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Speaker 3: We talked about what you need to do in the

916
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Speaker 3: interior because well, you need to do something because you

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Speaker 3: have free agents all over the place. But those two guys, now,

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Speaker 3: Daniel being a free agent acquisition, he's a top three

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Speaker 3: in the history of the franchise, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I'm gonna give him a top three spot.

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Speaker 1: He's a top three spot.

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Speaker 3: I will not give him on Green, as much as

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Speaker 3: I love him, the top three, No, I said top three.

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Speaker 1: We had a mom in here.

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Speaker 3: Well, I just remember it because that was one of

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Speaker 3: the most heralded free agent acquisitions at the time.

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Speaker 1: Shab acquired in a trade.

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Speaker 3: A mon Green comes in from the Packers four time

929
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Speaker 3: pro bowler didn't go so well here, but he's still

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Speaker 3: in the area and he does a.

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Speaker 1: Podcast that he's a good dude.

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Speaker 3: He was in an og podcast within d last year.

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Speaker 2: It just unfortunately happened for him at the end. Had

934
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Speaker 2: we done that five years earlier.

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Speaker 1: It would have been fantastic. Yeah, but it just was.

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Speaker 1: He was at the end of his career. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Uh, Jonathan Joseph to me, has got to be in there.

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Speaker 3: I think he's number one free agent act putting right now.

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Speaker 3: JJO number one. Yeah, Jjo's number one. Daniel is in there.

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Speaker 3: Hould my blanket on? I just had one, Ninja. I

941
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Speaker 3: just Antonio Smith, Tonio Smith.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Is he a top three guy?

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me give you some others, all right? I

945
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Speaker 2: was still ahead Daniel Manning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: See, Daniel Manning and JJO were signed so close together.

948
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Speaker 3: It was in the same night Manning a few hours

949
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Speaker 3: after Jjo.

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Speaker 1: Manning.

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Speaker 3: Is me waking up in the morning and finding out

952
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Speaker 3: we signed Manning because JJO was at night. Manning, I

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Speaker 3: wake up and I'm like Henry Hill and Goodfellas in

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Speaker 3: the shower.

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Speaker 1: Like you did it. You ripped off La Funza.

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Speaker 3: No, you signed Daniel Manning, and it's gonna change the

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Speaker 3: course of history here.

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Speaker 1: It was an awesome acquisition. Was here's one I think underrated.

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Speaker 2: Okay, maybe Lamar Miller twenty sixteen, the day that you

960
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Speaker 2: signed brock Osweiler, Lamar Miller, Jeff Allen. Those are the

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Speaker 2: three that you had signed right off the bat. Lamar Miller.

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Speaker 2: Lamar Miller was underrated.

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Speaker 3: You signed him in twenty sixteen, and he was your

964
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Speaker 3: feature back for sixteen seventeen eighteen, would have been in nineteen,

965
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Speaker 3: but he got hurt in the final preseason game or

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Speaker 3: the third one, and then they went out and acquired

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Speaker 3: Carlos Hide, which was a trade.

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Speaker 1: So you can't put him in that category. You know,

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Speaker 1: Carlos Duld trade. That's right. I think he I think

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Speaker 1: he belongs in the top three. I think he does now.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna put Brop in the top three.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think you can do that yet. I

973
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Speaker 2: cannot do that just yet. Time maybe over times. Resume

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Speaker 2: reads well, he wasn't nine and seven. He was eight

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Speaker 2: and six, right because he missed two games, so he

976
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Speaker 2: was eight and six.

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Speaker 3: So he had a winning record as a starter. He

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00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 3: swept the Colts. He's the only quarterback other than C. J.

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Speaker 3: Stroud to sweep the Colts in the history of the franchise.

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Speaker 5: Brock.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome for Brock, but.

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Speaker 3: He's not a top three free agent acquisition in the

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Speaker 3: history of this franchise. So I'm going to go j

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Speaker 3: Jo Hunter, Lamar Miller. I'll go Lamar of Lamar, and

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Speaker 3: I'll put Danielle Force.

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Speaker 5: I like it.

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Speaker 1: J Jo Danil Hunter, Lamar Miller. I like it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's the thing we talked about last year.

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Speaker 3: Ar Divisional championship, in sixteen, Divisional championship, in eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Rush for one thousand yards. Yeah, he was. He was

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Speaker 1: a good back. I think it was a good signing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I really do. I always said with Lamar,

993
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: I just felt like he was. They were forced to

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Speaker 2: use Lamar differently than when we The first time we

995
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Speaker 2: really saw Lamar Miller was twenty fifteen down in Miami

996
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Speaker 2: and he destroyed us. We couldn't use Lamar Miller that

997
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Speaker 2: way because all the other backs just got hurt and

998
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: just start dying.

999
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Speaker 1: And we're like, Okay, well we got is Lamar.

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Speaker 2: He's got to carry it twenty eight times, right, They're

1001
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Speaker 2: using them like an F one to fifty. I used

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Speaker 2: to say, when they really wanted to use him as

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Speaker 2: Lamborghini us him the pass game, they couldn't do that

1004
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Speaker 2: because they didn't have anybody else. I took any pressure

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Speaker 2: off of them in the run game.

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Speaker 1: So I like it. I like your.

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Speaker 3: Top three running back in the history of this franchise.

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Speaker 3: That could be another top three for another time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it starts with Arion.

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Speaker 3: We got a lot of good top three topics coming up.

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Speaker 3: I got another one coming up later, which is a

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Speaker 3: later of show, which is top three weird acquisitions in

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Speaker 3: franchise history.

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Speaker 1: In other words, can.

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Speaker 3: You believe this guy actually played for the Texans, like

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Speaker 3: Eric Molds for instance, or Delone Derek Mason, Jake Delon was.

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Speaker 2: Jake Diloman, Jeff Garcia here at the same time at

1018
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Speaker 2: Gardia was a Houston Texans.

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Speaker 1: Things like that. That's twenty eleven. What an incredible year.

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Speaker 2: J Jo Daniel Hunter, Lamar Miller, Top three Texans free

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Speaker 2: agents signings. All right, that's gonna do it. Mark, great job,

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Alexander, great job. We'll be back tomorrow with more

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Speaker 2: right here on Texans All Access. Stay tuned for Area

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Speaker 2: forty five right here at Sports Radio six tens Ya Tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: Buddy it as always go Texans,