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Speaker 1: he used to fly two oh seven's in you know,

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Speaker 1: Speaking of literature, UM, I got a book idea for

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Speaker 1: anyone aspiring writers out there. It's called this Whole Ain't

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Speaker 1: big Enough for both of us? And what it is

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Speaker 1: a fishing book and and like with fishing books, like

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Speaker 1: it's about fishing, but it's not. It's about growing old

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Speaker 1: like suppose to be about fishing, but it's about fatherhood, brotherhood,

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Speaker 1: And um, this Whole Ain't big Enough for both of us?

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Speaker 1: we're sitting right now right correct? How many people live

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Speaker 1: what like in this village. What percent is makushi about

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Speaker 1: Now when Rovan met his wife, they the primary crop

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Speaker 1: It comes out with three big as yams hooked to it.

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Speaker 1: its raw form, the liquid will kill you, your dog,

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Speaker 1: anything that drinks it. Is that right as cyanide, which

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Speaker 1: Rob Are you familiar with the Jones Town massacre? The

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Speaker 1: Jonestown massacre? No? Okay. In the seventies, a Christian sect

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Speaker 1: apocalyptic vision. And some thing's happened. There was like an

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Speaker 1: with the suicides, firearms and cyanide kool aid. So when

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Speaker 1: they're talking about. And eight h some people all died

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Speaker 1: in Guyana, Americans Americans. Wow, it gave name to what

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Speaker 1: I can said, one of the greatest rock bands of

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Speaker 1: he drowned. The Jonestown Massacre was what we're talking about now.

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Speaker 1: it was all Americans. Okay, yeah, weird deal. However, have

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Speaker 1: and die? I guess saw the chicken? They are chicken,

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Speaker 1: drink a little and then running. Yea, Why don't you

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Speaker 1: guys guard that water more? Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Is there like a protocol in place for when you

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Speaker 1: a way that you guard it so that no children

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Speaker 1: will drink it? Is it ever left out? They we

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Speaker 1: we we got used for it? So what what do

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Speaker 1: we do with that? After squeezing? Note that's the one.

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Speaker 1: So you never leave it laying around. You immediately boil it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got you. Okay, what he's getting is when you

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Speaker 1: squeeze the water out of this thing um, and it

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Speaker 1: looks like they make they weave, they weave a thing.

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Speaker 1: It looks like a Chinese finger trap, but it's five

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Speaker 1: all that grated cassava there, and there's a pole in

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Speaker 1: it and you sit on it, so you're sort of

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Speaker 1: like as you sit on the pole, which is through

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Speaker 1: a handle in the Chinese finger trap, it tightens the

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Speaker 1: Chinese finger trap and squeezes out the liquid. That liquid

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Speaker 1: is boiled. Once it comes to a boil, it's not

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Speaker 1: poisonous anymore, is that right? Yeah? And that is called

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Speaker 1: That drink is called what local drink. No, This the

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Speaker 1: water after it's boiled, after the body is called the

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Speaker 1: black black carriage. It's reduced. It's like, you know, not

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Speaker 1: reduced just when when your mom first boiled and we

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Speaker 1: drank it. Oh, that is called umsiri. And that's not alcoholic.

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Speaker 1: To get alcohol after three four days. That includes the

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Speaker 1: actual gratings not just the liquid. The gratings are in there.

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Speaker 1: open uniform pieces done where it's like, why it's beautiful

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00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 1: to see the fish get chopped up. That fish can

426
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: be roasted on a what they call a barber cut,

427
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: which is a grill you set up with like all

428
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: out of greenwood, set off the fire. Probably that might

429
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: be a little generous. No, yeah, it says more eighteen

430
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: right foot and a Half's get a big fire and

431
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: then you build a great over with greenwood and roasted

432
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: fish on there, or just take raw fish and boil it.

433
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: Then when that fish is cooked, for lunch, you take

434
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: a bowl and put the the cassiri. No, I'm messing

435
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: up there. Put the free in the bowl, dip up

436
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: some river water, pour it in there, put on some

437
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: cold boiled fish, and then put on some of your

438
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: pop bottlefull of ground peppers, and that's lunch. When you

439
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: add liquid, it's like adding milk to the grape nuts

440
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: and get a little yea. For dinner, it's basically the same,

441
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: except the they make a broth with river water and

442
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: the addition of a syrup produced by making a kassiri

443
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: reduction until it turns into a black syrup. You flavor

444
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: it and color the bra with that. Put the peppers

445
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: in there, and then put whatever fish you caught or

446
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: whatever animals you hunted in there, and that's dinner. Breakfast?

447
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: Is that? Yeah? And you guys can go hard day

448
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: after day after day after day with great enthusiasm and

449
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: being spatially aware to a degree that I've never seen of.

450
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: Aware of your surroundings. What birds you hear, what fish

451
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: you see? You find, you spot all game? You drag boats,

452
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: row boats, right, hall things, portage stuff, work your asses

453
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: off eating that thing. Yeah, I asked Rown if they

454
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: like green vegetables. He said, no Ah, you good. Yeah,

455
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: so's the good thing with it. For it is like

456
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: when we have our or the Barbie barbek your set

457
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: up whenever we're eating the far end, Like once you

458
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: soak the faring, it swells, and after you're eating it

459
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: swells more in your stomach. You can keep you up.

460
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: And then if you have your local drink, the barkery

461
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: or the cassiri, like it's you can just stuff up

462
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: pretty good and then you can do a hard work

463
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: through the whole day. Yeah, it's it's like drinking the

464
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: juice or lime juice, were juice you have after no snacks,

465
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: no dessert, no dessert, fish, just fish three times a

466
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: day with the meal made from the root. Yeah, you don't.

467
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: You don't appreciate how like from an American year from

468
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: from our the way we live. How like unusual that

469
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: is we eat so I mean we how many of

470
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: the things eating today? This is really depressive to me.

471
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: I like it is there an ancestral like legend of

472
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: the cassava plant, Like it's amazing how some poison can

473
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: be turned into something so like a powerful food. Yeah,

474
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people ask that question, but it's trying

475
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: to get the backgrounds we had to come from out

476
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: of that. You know, it's it's hard to see, hard

477
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: to explain. But um, since I get to know myself,

478
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: I know what my parents were doing the same. They

479
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: were doing fishing, farming, hunting. So I grew up the

480
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: same way when when Robin was young. Um, like the

481
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: river run. Now we went up the river. How many

482
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: you guys figured out? Like river miles or thirty five miles? No,

483
00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: sixty it was sixty. Yeah, So we went up the

484
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: river a good bit basically like three days of of

485
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: motoring with fifteen Like, uh, what are they like? Eight

486
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: twenty ft boats being pushed by fifteen horse Yamaha outboards.

487
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: Three days of motoring upper river, um, big sandbars, Virgin jungle, um,

488
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: a lot of rock outcrops, holes, rapids, that kind of river. Um,

489
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: that was like getting that back in the day. Oh

490
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: we but yeah, so when Robin was a boy, now

491
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: to give a sense of how much like sort of

492
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: the way times have changed. When Robin was a boy,

493
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: you never made it. You know, you guys never went

494
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: as far as we went up the river because you

495
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: were traveling in handmade dugout canoes. Correct. And when Roban's

496
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: father needed to get money, when he needed currency, the

497
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: way to get currency was that he would take your

498
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: whole family. No just is his a big son, which

499
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: would be like cli the are all their sons helped

500
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: him the paddle and to get more fish. But your

501
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: mother would not go on those trips, he would. She

502
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: would stay because they smart kids, the smallest to take

503
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: care of the small kids. And you guys would paddle

504
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: a dugout canoe with the heaviest paddles I've ever lifted

505
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: up my entire life. Yeah, they make a paddle of

506
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: a very durable would called purple Heart, and these paddles

507
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: are probably twelve pound paddles. You would paddle up river

508
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: for one week, yeah, camping along the way, camping on

509
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: the week. Then you get to a fishing spot right,

510
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: spending on a week there just fishing and hunt fishing

511
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: hant and fishing only one spot insalt all of the catch. Yeah, correct,

512
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: paddle back down and your father would sell those salted

513
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: fish to who. So in uh on the area they

514
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: have store owners that buy fishes, so who would buy

515
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: who would you sell the salted fish too? So we

516
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: have store owners, Um, they have markets. So what they

517
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: do like they request for salt fish and my dad

518
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: will go up at a hundred pund last fish. Taking

519
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: up the river from here to Anna is like two

520
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: days paddling and then so he'd paddled back down to

521
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: your village and then back up another river right fifty

522
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: miles of the river and then use a bullock cart

523
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: to take the fish. Because back then there were new

524
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: tractor no car on a truck. So from the rever

525
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: to the village it's a one hour walk. So my

526
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: dad would not walk with that load. So instead he

527
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: had like a bullet cart high and then put this

528
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: stuff inside. Then they came straight up to I'm sorry,

529
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: what kind of cart the bullock cart like oxen or something? Yeah,

530
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: are you saying bull and cart? Yeah, you know there's

531
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: two with a trailer behind. Yeah, I got you. So

532
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: they would haul the load of salted fish into the

533
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: place to sell. And if you did a trip like that,

534
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: do you have any do you have any recollects? Like

535
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: how much money would that be? How much money would

536
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: you make? In those days? Those times were cheap, really cheap.

537
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: I think it's like eighty punk Then then I get

538
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: into myself eighty Guyinese dollar. Yeah, yeah, that was like

539
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: many years ago. Now it's the price gons up. Uh,

540
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: maybe like fifteen sixteen thousand after you sell out, And

541
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: what would that be in today's US dollars? Fifteen thousands,

542
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: it's a seventy five US dollars. Yeah, many days of work,

543
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: many days of work. But now it's far different. The

544
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: price is gone up. But well, then there were no

545
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: jobs here in the village. You just hunted. You had

546
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: a hunting fish. Now yeah, hunt fish, go fish, catch

547
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: more fish and punk fish to hunt the punk fish

548
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: than go sell. We had no job in Planbate here.

549
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: So that's what my dad had been doing just to

550
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: support me going to the school. That was what the

551
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: money was for. And by the basic salt, sugar and

552
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And in those days when you were

553
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: little before you found out, before you started to be

554
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: a river guy and to take people up the river

555
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: to fish and to experience like a way of life

556
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: or to view wildlife and all these other things that

557
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: you guide for how many days? And I've asked you

558
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: a lot of questions, like I say, like how many

559
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: days a year? And I gather you don't really think

560
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: in that way, like that's not a way you count time,

561
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: but like how often would you hunt and fish when

562
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 1: you were twenty years old? Maybe like twice a week,

563
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: twice a week and that would get you enough? Yeah,

564
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: I got I had a wife, and I have my household,

565
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 1: and that does for me and my family. My parents

566
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: are close by whenever I have more than I share.

567
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: So if you to get it, just to get a betterson,

568
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: if you kill a if you were to kill a peckory,

569
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: how many days would that packery last? That wasn't last?

570
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: Are we okay? Okay? It's one of little favorite together.

571
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: A favorite is packery. Yeah, you're saying that that catfish

572
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: was two days, right, the one you salted on this

573
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: trip for your family, the leopard catfish when we left here. Okay,

574
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: try to think as we traveled up the river. Try

575
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: to think of the uh notable bits of wildlife we

576
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: saw traveling up the river. Scarlet macaw, lots lots of

577
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: cause powerful in a different kind of acause that's a

578
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: different color green, red and green, scarlet, blue and yellow marcos. Yeah,

579
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: Rovan knows every bird and every bird call. And this

580
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: is a place that has how many hundreds of species

581
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: of birds. It's so it's like one thing. If you

582
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: think you're cool because you know the seven birds that

583
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: County bird feeder, we're talking like a encyclopedic amount of

584
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: you know. So we saw mccause, we saw a cappy bara,

585
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: which is the world's largest rodent. That's the interesting point

586
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: to bring up about the river. This river has the

587
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: world's largest alligator, black cayman, the world's largest rodent, the

588
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: cappy barra, the world's largest snake, anaconda, and the new

589
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: world's largest eagle, which I saw today, which is a

590
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: harpy eagle who prays on monkeys. I did not see it.

591
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm jealous. Rick cares more than I do, and and

592
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: he didn't. He didn't see it. So we saw cappy

593
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: bars on the way up mccaus. Two cans wait two

594
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: cane Sam the breakfast cereal bird. I think we saw

595
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: a different one. Which one did I saw one with Rudy.

596
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: We have two tapes. They look similar, but you gotta

597
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: be careful which which when you were looking at this.

598
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: So one is called the channel, then the other one

599
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: is white. We saw the channel channel build. What were

600
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: the white cranes that you see a lot of dudes

601
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: are herons? A lot of herons. I forgot to mention

602
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: an important part. Another thing before we left, besides uh

603
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: messing with the cassava is Rovan made some arrows now.

604
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: Roban's fishes and hunts with a bow, which they call

605
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: him a kushi bow. And he makes his own bow.

606
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: And the bow was made from what tree? Wam tree,

607
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: Wamara tree. The bow string is made from, Yeah, imagine

608
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: he took like a um magice. He took a aloe,

609
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: like a picture of giant aloe plant, and it's like

610
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: a fibrous part of the plant, and you stripped away

611
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: all the pulp and then took just a string, the

612
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: fiber string, and twisted it into a string that is

613
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: Roban's bowstring. Roban makes his arrows from a plant called

614
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: aero plant, which is my favorite name for a plant

615
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: in the world, aero plant. He fletches his arrows with

616
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: um a black or crestless curus out feather. Yeah, ties

617
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: the fletching on with the same fibrous plant rope that

618
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: he makes the bowstring out of. The knock is made

619
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: from purple heartwood, bullet would bulletwood, and then on the

620
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: other end of the aero plant there's a shaft made

621
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: from the same wood, bulletwood. And then they take a

622
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: chunk of depending on what kind of point you make,

623
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: and either if you're making a blade for hunting, packery

624
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: or deer, you cut out a piece of a machette

625
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: what they call it cutlass and make a blade and

626
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: that gets a fixed. Other fish points are made from

627
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: a piece of hog wire fencing that they pound and

628
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: pound and flattened it and then cut barbs into it

629
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: to make drop points and wire points. And that is

630
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: Rovan's tool. And we made an arrow and then we

631
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: went to a plant. What was the plant where we

632
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: got the maggot bait the corporate a palm. Yeah, it's

633
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: called it's called a corn. So we went to a

634
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: corporate corport went to a corporate palm and it had

635
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: dropped all of its fruit, and we caught a couple

636
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: of the fruits open the in the grubs. There's a

637
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: grub in each one, and a lot of the grubs

638
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: that already turned the moths and flown away because you'd

639
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: find a little hole board in them. We went to

640
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: another tree and it was the right ripeness where every

641
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: time you found one that didn't have a hole in

642
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: it from the moth escaping, the beetle escaping would have

643
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: a big magot, a big larva. Once you've identified it

644
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: as being the right fruit, then you just fill up

645
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: your pockets or a bag with the fruit and bring

646
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: those along as a fishing bait. Yeah. Our first night

647
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: up the river, we caught for dinner black parana. Tell

648
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: me about that fish in this um river here there

649
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: are a lot of black piranhas, different species of um parnas. Yeah,

650
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: can you name off the different species of pranhaus. So

651
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: we got the black one are the biggest we have here,

652
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: the black piranhas. Then we got the red baited piranas.

653
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: Then range chicken parrenas um um. What next? Well, cats

654
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: back and poor of the herbivorous promise. It was out

655
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: of farming what we call. Yeah, now, you guys were

656
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: kind of humoring me when we went out to fish

657
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: black prown because I was throwing a crank bait and

658
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: not successfully at all, and eventually I can't if I

659
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 1: caught one. Maybe I caught one, And all of a sudden,

660
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: your brother Dennis made some cut bait and had about

661
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: a hand line with ten ft line on it, and

662
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: took a hunk of prown of meat on a hook

663
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: and hung it over the side of the boat and

664
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: started slapping the surface of the water with a stick

665
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: to make like a frantic water slashing noise, and then

666
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: started knocking the ship out of huge promise, big prince,

667
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: How big of the promise? Three pounds? Oh more than that?

668
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: These four five pounds, and we caught a pile of them. Yeah.

669
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: Where is that? Like? Is that a favorite fish? Yeah?

670
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: Their favorite uneasy to catch. Yeah, why do you guys

671
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: not eat Why do you not eat caymans? Because you

672
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: have a lot of fish and do whatever, but you

673
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: like to hunt for certain birds and packeras and an

674
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: also a large road called a Goody and a large

675
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: road called paca. Yeah, but you know what I'm saying,

676
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: Like if you asked me if you were if we

677
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: were in my if we were in my country hunting

678
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: and we saw a possum, okay, and you said to me,

679
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: why don't you are you going to get the possum?

680
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: I would say I would have a difficult time explaining

681
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: why we were not going to eat the possum, but

682
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: it would kind of come down into um. People don't

683
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: really like the meat. They're difficult to deal with, and

684
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: it's just not a thing that we traditionally hunt for

685
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: and eat, though in some parts of the country some

686
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: people do eat them. Does that make sense, Yeah, because

687
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: I was in Bolivia and they ate The Amerindians in

688
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: Bolivia like to hunt for red howler monkeys. When I

689
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: told you that, you laughed, why, Like, why is that?

690
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: Why is that not a thing that the makushi hunt

691
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: and eat? Well, I guess we, like I said, we

692
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: have a fish and we are not so much bend monkeys.

693
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: And then we have the animals like the ault lava curas. Dear,

694
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: we have them here. They are more taste here, I

695
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: would say, not. So you think it really comes down

696
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: to you have like a big abundance of food. Yeah,

697
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: we have a lot of food, big abundance of fish,

698
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: so if Yeah, so I think if we don't have

699
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: fish or any animal identity, could perhaps start eating monkeys

700
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: if you were desperate. Yeah, but it's really just a

701
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 1: matter of It's like the fish are better, they're easy

702
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: to catch, they're very abundant. Because you guys really like

703
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: I noticed that, um, as much as you had long

704
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: exposure to them, you really like to stop and watch

705
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: the monkeys and observe all the different animals even though

706
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: you don't have any thinking about them as like a

707
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: food item. Yeah. Did you like to watch them when

708
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: you were a kid or did you learn to like

709
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: watching them? Because Americans and other in Europeans and things

710
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: want to come and see these things. I I started

711
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: like doing that about I started off bared guy and

712
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: taking us natural hikes. You learned that people like to

713
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: see these and then you start observing them more instead

714
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: of just focusing on the food items. So that's what

715
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: I give up by the monkeys and the behavior. Yeah.

716
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: And then there are some animals that that used to

717
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: be hunted here but became very rare. Yeah, like the

718
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: Arab pama, the world's largest freshwater fish that used to

719
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: be a thing that people here hunted and sold for

720
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: sold to Brazil, right, and now you in this area,

721
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: generally people don't kill them anymore. Yeah, they're worth more

722
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: alive than they are dead. Yeah, that's correct. They weren't

723
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: more on life than dead, because why we sport fish

724
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: for them? People want to come and get to be

725
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Not many of him in combat. Yeah,

726
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: that's of money too. Catch an aro for a week,

727
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: an absurd amount of money. Yeah, like like a the

728
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: amount of money that it costs to come and catch

729
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: an Arab pim would be equivalent to an elk hunt

730
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: twice as much, twice as much as an elm on

731
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: the elk, I mean elk cohants vary. But that's what

732
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: strikes me as like such a huge change that occurred

733
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: in your lifetime. And you're not that old, you're in

734
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: your thirties to be that, to be that you used

735
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: to go on trips with your father to spend two

736
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: weeks of labor to make seventy five dollars in salted fish,

737
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: and now people will come and give a hundred times

738
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: that to catch and look at and let go the

739
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: same fish that you used to catch and self. Yeah,

740
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: it's it's a big difference. What do you think about

741
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: that difference? Is there? Are there? I could see all

742
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: the positives right when I walk around your village, and

743
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 1: I've traveled a fair bit. Right when I walk around

744
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: your village, I see like very happy, prosperous people. M hm.

745
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: He like for how far out you live, Like for

746
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: how far you live away from a city. I see

747
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: people like healthy, happy, prosperous, like a place that anyone

748
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: would be pleased to walk around, like good, friendly people. Right,

749
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: I see all the pot And I'm not saying that

750
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: all that came from your love having a lodge and

751
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: having an airstrip where people can come in and experience it.

752
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: I know that it didn't all come from that, but

753
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: that helps, right, But are do you recognize other negatives?

754
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: Like other things you miss about the old way? Wow? Negative?

755
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: It's it's it's hard. It's hard to say it. But

756
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: if there's not a don't make one up. I mean,

757
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: if if you really don't, if you know, I mean,

758
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm not like pressing you to think of one. If

759
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: there's one that is always on your mind, that's fair

760
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: to say, but you don't need to like try hard

761
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: to think of a negative. It's hard to say. You

762
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: view it as very like a positive thing because what

763
00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: why you said, it's it's a big definitely like my

764
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: father and I would go just to get a little

765
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: bit of money, then support me going to the school.

766
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: They're the donor jobs. There were no ecologists here, but

767
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: then when we built up this ecologe, we have the

768
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: borders coming in, different types of autorists coming in. Then

769
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: we have well booting for us. We have this area Pama.

770
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: They were close to extinct, but then we conserve them

771
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: and then the population increases a lot. Now so instead

772
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: of harvesting, then we support fish for them. As where

773
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: I said, it's it's a big difference than then going

774
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: with my father. You know, he showed me some punds

775
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: where we gonna fish. Now at this age, I know

776
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 1: where to take my guests because he showed me wherey

777
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: pants are the sam ponds And now I'm thinking the

778
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: guess of the ponds fish? Yeah, let me explain it

779
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: real quick. So the Arab pim is correct me if

780
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: I say something wrong, tell me. The Arab Pimas are

781
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: in the river but generally live in Oxbow Lake. So

782
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: if you imagine like like if a listener is imagining

783
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: a river, how it flows in like a long series

784
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: of sss now and then one of the ses will

785
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: jump itself, like the river will cut through, take a

786
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: short cut through and jump to the next s and

787
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: that leaves a big U shaped lake where the river

788
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,439
Speaker 1: changes course. But the old river channel stays full of water.

789
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: That that is what we call ox Bowl Lake. And

790
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: the river rivers change all the time like worse right now,

791
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm sitting near the river on a spot that absolutely

792
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: was at one point in time the river, and then

793
00:55:58,239 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: the river moved over that way and something that will

794
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: go over back this way, um creating these new channels

795
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: and the Arab pimas living there and they get up

796
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: to hundreds of pounds over fours. The lakes flood during

797
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: the rainy season, so the Ara Pimas aren't necessarily stuck

798
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: there like they get there during the rainy season the

799
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: water recedes. They stay in these stagnant areas and feed

800
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: on peacock bass and other fish and then they can

801
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: move when everything floods again. Robe was telling me that

802
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: last year there was a lake that was it was

803
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 1: very dry and the lake was going to dry all

804
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: the way up and they rescued twenty six Arapaimas out

805
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: of the lake and dragged them over to the river,

806
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: ranging from eighty some inches long down to fifty some

807
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: inches long. Aripima rescue operation. How did you move them?

808
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 1: Put him into both would have been a good episode

809
00:56:54,760 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: of TV, wouldn't have Yeah, we put them in the boat.

810
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: So the part was like maybe from here the dining

811
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: area shallow water, but those are AP payment did dig

812
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: their own hold, so it was like five feet depth.

813
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: So most of all those are a payment. The back

814
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: were missing, the scale were missing from the words that

815
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: you know from birds packing on Yeah, because they were

816
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: there stuck in there. Yeah. So one of those one

817
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: guys like checking the pond and said, hey, you know

818
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: what our payments are driving up so here because our

819
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: AP payment, you know, it means a lot to us.

820
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: We make a lot of money to our appayments. So

821
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: instead of allowing them to death there, we go and

822
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: rescue them since we were making lots of money from

823
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: the area payma, because if we lose twenty six are

824
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: appayments and then that's where we want we take our clients.

825
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: They're like, no more are pim in that point. So

826
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: what we do is that we rescue our appointments. So

827
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: after the rainy season they were able to or throw

828
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: the rating sis and they were able to go back

829
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: to the same spot. And then can you explain how

830
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: you rescue them? So we get a net which is

831
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: like six six in it, we sta wrong the one

832
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: not to one only because if you're sta wrongly, two

833
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: one were dead. So we do that one at one

834
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: at a time. You grab them, put in the boat,

835
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: some water in the boat because our parent they breed here.

836
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: So we have probably like fifteen guys ready to run

837
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: with with our appoma. At a certain point they will

838
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: lift the fish, give the fish some breadth and then

839
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: continuous straight to the river. Every ten or twelve minutes

840
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: and air pim will come up in gold water. They

841
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: come to come up to gold air. And how many

842
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: days to take to do all? Twenty six? He took

843
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: like about four days, really hard work. Yeah. Can you

844
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: explain to me how in the old days how you

845
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: guys would hunt for ara pama? Well, all right, I

846
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: saw my dad ones he he spot some Arab pima

847
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: ruling in the pond. The technique that he was like

848
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: climb up in the tree on the tree, climb up

849
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: in the tree and wait because our plan was ruling.

850
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: So he spotty spot and then you find a tree

851
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: and the climb up their weight. So when they fish

852
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: roll and he's up in the tree and he aimed

853
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: should the fish with his bow with his bow and

854
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: then tracked on the chest behind the arrow. Because let

855
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: me let me I'm sorry, but I need to just

856
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: just some people because people won't be able to picture

857
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: what how this works. They make a arrow? What what

858
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: does the arrow call that that you use for pacuh okay?

859
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: So it's a It's basically an arrow mounted with a

860
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: detachable harpoon head, and the arrow is buoyant. Picture like

861
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,439
Speaker 1: the closest equivalent would be to imagine like a piece

862
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: of bamboo um as thick as your thumb. It's not

863
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: like bamboo at all, but just picture like how how

864
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: bamboo would he's a bamboo the size of your thumb

865
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: would float. That arrow is long, much longer than our

866
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: than long than American arrows, and it's mounted with a

867
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: detachable harpoon point. The harpoon point has line on it,

868
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: and the line is coiled around the shaft of the arrow.

869
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: So when you shoot the harpoon point goes into the

870
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: fish detaches from the arrow, the arrow floats up, and

871
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: all the line that's been woven around the wrapped around

872
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: the arrow unspools, so that wherever the fish goes, he's

873
01:00:55,640 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: dragging around a booi so to speak, if you ever

874
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: harpooned the hell. But it's the same kind of like

875
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: same principle. This is driven by a boat. So your

876
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: father climbs up in the tree, waits for the arab pama,

877
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: and flat he hits him, and the fish takes off

878
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: with the arrow. Yeah. And then the arrow popped off

879
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: the point popped off on the point, and then the

880
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: arrow floats and then he chests behind and in the dugout.

881
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: In the dug out, what he does that he has

882
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: like a hundred point line with a single hook. So

883
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: he's swinging his hand and then grabbed the arrow that

884
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: is going away. Okay, so he pulls it, pulls the

885
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: p when he hooked the line. So now he's hand

886
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: lining the arabie. Yeah, so he helped pull And how

887
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: long did it take? Its like forty five min still

888
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: on the fish wow. Yeah. And then he then he

889
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: butchers it, but he said, and then make him slab

890
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: for four slabs out of it. Yeah, on our trip,

891
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: we didn't fish on our trip. We just did with robot.

892
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: We didn't fish Arab pim and And I'm not, like,

893
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: I'm very respectful the program they have, but it's like

894
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: I just not It's great. I recommend people come and

895
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: do it, but it's just not something I'm interested in. Um,

896
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: what we were doing was traveling with a group. How

897
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: how many people were all together in a group. We

898
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: had four boats, ten people members plus us, so yeah

899
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: we had fifth We were traveling four boats, fifteen people

900
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: and we were um exploring, observing wildlife, doing some amount

901
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: of hunting on a lot of fishing, and we were

902
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: basically catching. We were catching the amount of like enough

903
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: fish that we were eating fish as we went and

904
01:02:53,160 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: traveled along, and we caught black prana catabac. Right now,

905
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: one day we're sitting there yed talking about your your

906
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: your mystery fish because this is an interesting thing to happen,

907
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: the flower eating rainstorm prana, that's what I call them. Yeah,

908
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: that was a catabac, right, So explain that big gully

909
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: washer rainstorm. Yeah, probably the first big rain we had seen.

910
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: I think of the trip. We're sitting at some tables

911
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: underneath them heavy duty tarp and uh yeah, it's kind

912
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: of rain where it's like frothing the water, you know,

913
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: I mean just so many big heavy water droplets that

914
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: you can't really see the water services. I call it

915
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: full balls rain, full balls rain. And somewhere upriver there

916
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: must have been a tree. Do you know what kind

917
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: of flowers those were roving? What tree they fell out?

918
01:03:55,720 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: But probably, um, I don't know, probably rose, but sized,

919
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: not rosebud, but just like the flower of a rose.

920
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: I kept thinking, I remember that charity organization like when

921
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: you were a kid or something when you were a

922
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: kid that you like they'd come up to your window

923
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: and you give them like money. They give you that

924
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: little red flower where the greens fake stem and I

925
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: had like a wire in it. It wasn't the Shriners.

926
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: I was gonna say something like the Shriners, like, I

927
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: haven't seen those flowers and forever they're that big. If

928
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: you're old thing to know what the hell I'm talking.

929
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: I think it's Veterans Day? Was it those little flowers

930
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: anyhow smaller than a rose? Then? Yeah? Um? But they're um, beautiful, yeah, beautiful, pink,

931
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: hot pink. They've been knocked out of the tree by

932
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: the rain and they are being basically funneled through this

933
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: uh new cut that's actually created an ox bow, and

934
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: coming out of that cut, there's basically a just real

935
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: classic scene. That's like going into a big pool. So

936
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: you've got like slow water on one edge and you've

937
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: got this faster moving current. There's like a foam line

938
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: in there, and just like in the American West, you'd

939
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: see bugs and stuff floating through there, and you'd see

940
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: trout you call them the food conveyor belt, yeah, or

941
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: the fish treated like a food conveyor, yeah, exactly. They

942
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: can sit in there and just have the food coming

943
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: right to them. Well, we're just watching this rainstorm and

944
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: watching the flowers floating by, and um, all of a sudden,

945
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: there's a you know what from that distance we were

946
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: what a hundred yards away, it's like what looks to

947
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: be like a five to ten pounds bright red fish

948
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: comes up and gulps one of these flowers like holy shit,

949
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, and they proceed I don't know, there's probably

950
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: maybe what three or four of them over there doing

951
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,959
Speaker 1: that but for fifteen minutes while it was really pouring,

952
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: there's a lot of flowers in the water. We got

953
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: to watch that feeding, yeah, feeding on a bouquet of

954
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: flowers coming down the river, and it turns out to

955
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: be a vegetarian veranda. Yanni was throwing a popera at it,

956
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: but Roban was incredulous of the plan. And Roban believes

957
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: that that fishes is very sensitive to smell, and then

958
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: he's smelling those flowers and and and hitting the flowers.

959
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: Now to back up, the first fish we caught was

960
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: the big gas black prown. This is like your classic piranha,

961
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: like your horror movie Parana. Roban has a large scar.

962
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: Was that from a black parana on your leg, red

963
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: belly Prana. He was shooting fish with his bow when

964
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: you were a little kid, right and you got attacked

965
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: by parana and that would call that. Then hooked the

966
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: fish called a swordfish, which is like a gar with

967
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: a very fat body, a gar mouth. Imagine that your

968
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: classic like long noose gar with a big bat body.

969
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: Then the catabacts, which are the one the flower eating.

970
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: We heard the basha you explained the basha maysha. They

971
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: mix songs let in the afternoon songs. Yeah, so they

972
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: want I don't know if you could remember the one

973
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: that they are lower. Those are the one. They are

974
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: far away. They were not the louder that they are

975
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: close in the depot. It transmits through the bow, that

976
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: transmits through the whole of the boat. Yeah, a croaking noise.

977
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: So they like to sing in the afternoon. Yeah, and

978
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: apparently they're bitch to catch. I wanted to catch one bad,

979
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: he said. It looks like a white peacock bass, and

980
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: they like they'll take live bait on the bottom. Right. Yea,

981
01:07:52,720 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: we went out and hooked some big gass catfish. Vampire Yeah,

982
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: one of my favorite vampires were above there weren't there,

983
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: so we stopped and to talk about the vampire fish

984
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: your word for it, and what kind of where they

985
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: like to live and what they do for a living

986
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: vampire fish there. They are pia, right, they are called pira.

987
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: We call them pia. They are They have two very

988
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: huge teeth if you don't any fish that passes, and

989
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: they hang around the rocks rapids and when the water

990
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: comes up they can travel up the river like we

991
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 1: were seeing them this morning. So we have traveled up

992
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: the river. They go up to breed in the rapid

993
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 1: area and um, yeah, they can get really big. And

994
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: the eyes there, they are a big eyes eyes too. Yeah.

995
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: I don't understand how because those teeth are the one

996
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: that Steve. But these guys caught. Those are like two

997
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: inch dagger teeth inch and a half and they go

998
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: into a sheet on the upper jaw like a like

999
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 1: a like a like a sabertooth cat, like a pocket

1000
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: that houses the tooth. And so Dirt had a great question. Yeah,

1001
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: like how they hit a fish? It's like trapped on

1002
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: that tooth. Right, how's he ever get the fish back

1003
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: into his throat? One of the great mysteries. Yeah, he

1004
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: must somehow open his mouth and inhale. Yeah, it kills

1005
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: him the initial strike killing and then he and those

1006
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: things are pain And he asked the hook they go,

1007
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 1: You can't get a hook in him because they got

1008
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: all this teeth going on and they want of them

1009
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: jammed you right, what happened? Well, I tried to see

1010
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: how sharp is tooth? How sharp was it? Steve sharp enough?

1011
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:51,759
Speaker 1: I was bleeding pretty good. Check out a sharp Justice

1012
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: Roving was advising that I don't check out sharpest tooth

1013
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: was that was a badass fish that it looks like

1014
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: a saf there a salmon with a sabretooth cat head.

1015
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: How big is the biggest one of those you've ever seen?

1016
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: Like four four? Oh gosh, it's night big? Do you

1017
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:22,839
Speaker 1: keep the teeth for ornaments? Nah strung? When we decided

1018
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 1: to go and catch big catfish, what was the bait

1019
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 1: you guys were trying to procure for the big catfish

1020
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 1: with the fish that I know from Bolivia and Argentina

1021
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: as sabolow, but you have another word for it, local

1022
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: yakoto yakotoo is good bait. It's basically a sucker picture

1023
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,560
Speaker 1: in Americans, some species of American soccer. That's what that

1024
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: fish looks like. And then you also liked catabac for bait, right, Yeah,

1025
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: they haf a good cent so pire black black pirana

1026
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 1: what we call it pire period like a period black parana.

1027
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: They don't have very good smell, so what we do

1028
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: kind of mix of the smeal. So instead of having

1029
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: the black parent all the time, we can't switch to

1030
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: a kattabac ktaa with more smell um. That's why we

1031
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: were catching with those maggots. Yeah, quit warm, we call it.

1032
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 1: And then to get a catfish, so you catch we

1033
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: case some small bait and you guys like to run

1034
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 1: cut bait, and then you go just like you fish

1035
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: in the American River. I mean, do you read the

1036
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: water the same way and go to a hole and

1037
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: drop in with weight down at the bottom. And there

1038
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: are I now know from our experience, there are four

1039
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 1: species of very large calfish, the leopard calfish, which I

1040
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,879
Speaker 1: thought was make believe until I saw one. So catfish

1041
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 1: just looks like a leopard tiger catfish, which is known

1042
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: in some places as a s ruby banana or red

1043
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: tail catfish. What do you got? What's your word for it? Yeah,

1044
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: you do, that's your words. And then what's the giant

1045
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: catfish that I hooked and lost when we got it

1046
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 1: up by the beach? Look all, let me see anna

1047
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: we call it. It's in Portuguese, and I don't believe you.

1048
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 1: I think they call it the mataurotro mataorial like the

1049
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: bowl and they get hunt. Yeah. So, and then we

1050
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 1: have the biggest one that leaves more in the Escrable River,

1051
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: which LA gets about over four under pump, very huge.

1052
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: Have you ever caught one of those. I caught the

1053
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: one small. Yeah. Now the ones we were after that.

1054
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: You like to eat our the banana catfish, and I

1055
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 1: can't even begin to describe it. They looked like heavily

1056
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: armored patterned red yeah, yellow belly, kind of a green,

1057
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: dark olive back and a red tail. The banana. The

1058
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: leopard catfish has had such a hard head. When Roban

1059
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: got his up, Robin asked for an arrow. He wanted

1060
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: to jab with an arrow. It's sort of like how

1061
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: you use a gaff to get a fish in the boat.

1062
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: I took my bow, my fish bow, and pulled back

1063
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:36,719
Speaker 1: and tried to shoot in the head. And the fish

1064
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 1: bow arrow bounced off its head, and the realized you're

1065
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: not You can't shoot him the head. He got shooting

1066
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: the body, and then Robing jabbed with a drop point

1067
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: arrow and pulled it up. But the banana calfish were

1068
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: much bigger, and the really big calf they're still you said,

1069
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: you guys do not like to kill that catfish because

1070
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: it's very rare and not good to eat. Yeast, what's

1071
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: the best one to eat? The leopard one, the one

1072
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 1: that's the one you look, that's the one you salted leper,

1073
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,560
Speaker 1: the catfish and the banana When you're out, how do

1074
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: you decide, Like when you're fishing, how do you decide

1075
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: what you're gonna what fish you cook, what way, and

1076
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 1: whether or not you're gonna salt it and bring it

1077
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 1: home or whether you're gonna eat it right there. Because

1078
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: when we fished catfish, we took the banana catfish and

1079
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 1: roasted them on the barber, cut over the fire. The

1080
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: leopard catfish you salted and dried to bring home. Why

1081
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:41,719
Speaker 1: how did you make those decisions? So? Um, the bana

1082
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 1: catfish the way the way we bar where we caught

1083
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: this is it have more tastes after they roast. When

1084
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 1: you cook it, it's more tastier than fresh. That's how

1085
01:14:56,479 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: we we normally roast the they're buying a catch fish,

1086
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: so if you cook it after after they were walthy,

1087
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: have more tists. And the the leopard one, it's it's

1088
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: gonna be you as fresh. But since that that was

1089
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: the only child I have there, I gotta fish I

1090
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: have to exalted to bring home. Yeah, because it's such

1091
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: a good field. Yeah, it's a good fish. You get

1092
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: divorced if you don't bring fish home. Yeah. On that note,

1093
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: Rodan was telling us that a lot of the folks

1094
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: that stay at home, wait on these the crews they're

1095
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: out doing these trips. Now, they don't always understand when

1096
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: they're not coming home with fish because they're like, well,

1097
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: weren't you up there fishing for a week, And they

1098
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 1: don't understand that Roban's crew was just out there working hard,

1099
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 1: setting up camps, cooking for the clients, and they come

1100
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: home they might not have fish, right, Yeah, and the

1101
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 1: wives get mad. I have to get the real mod

1102
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: um I've been hogging up. Then we have questions at

1103
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: this point, questions for Roman Roban are observations about what

1104
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 1: Roman Roban said. I've been getting all my questions answered.

1105
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: Hand hand lining effectiveness just throwing a hand line. No, no,

1106
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: Roding Roan hasn't mastered. Yeah. I think it's a fact

1107
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: from my perspective. Yeah, it's very effective if that's what

1108
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: you have learned, If you're if that's what you've learned

1109
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:33,640
Speaker 1: to do, I think a lot of people would pick

1110
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 1: up the hand land probably snapped the fish off. What

1111
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,839
Speaker 1: do you think that big calfish wag ynest the biggest

1112
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:48,600
Speaker 1: banana we called, Oh, I don't thirty pounds, maybe forty

1113
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 1: not more than that. No, I wouldn't say more than

1114
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: probably not more than forty. The one that got away

1115
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: was probably over a hundred pounds, the one we weren't

1116
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: gonna keep, or maybe not over but in that in

1117
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: that range maybe what what do you think I shouldn't say?

1118
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 1: You should say. All I want to say is big. No,

1119
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: it looked like a like a six or seven year

1120
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: old child, you know, laying in the water next to

1121
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: the boat with whiskers, with whiskers and a big fat

1122
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 1: green head. I mean, just for you know, to give

1123
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: relative size, I mean it's big fish. Yeah, so rolling Uh,

1124
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: they don't braid their own fishing line. They obviously you

1125
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:42,560
Speaker 1: know now use not obviously, but now they use monofilment.

1126
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 1: What's the would you carve your spool from your hand

1127
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: line spool? It's some cedaa. It's a light wood. So

1128
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 1: if a fish, big fish like tech tech the um

1129
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 1: fishing line handle what you call it from your ham

1130
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: by mystic it can float. Oh you can't get it back?

1131
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: So you picked that would because it's buoyancy. Yeah, so

1132
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 1: he's got like a like um. It's picture son. You'd

1133
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 1: wrap kite like a kite line around or something, but

1134
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: it's not quite like that cause it's open on one end.

1135
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 1: It's got handles, but the line can just spool off. Okay,

1136
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 1: So if you imagine like your classic kite cord house,

1137
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 1: it's got like help me out here, it's an H. Yeah,

1138
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: imagine a kite cord being like an H right, and

1139
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: you're wrapping it around the horizontal bar. This is an

1140
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 1: H minus um minus the one side minus two legs,

1141
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: basically the H minus two legs. So you can hold

1142
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 1: the handles and let the line to spool off, and

1143
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: they wrap it with eight y or a hundred pound mono.

1144
01:18:54,400 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: For sinkers roving bys a sheets of lead marketed as

1145
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 1: fishing weights, and out of this sheet of pounded lead,

1146
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:15,440
Speaker 1: he cuts strips of lead and then using his players

1147
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 1: folds are using his players folds, these cut pieces of

1148
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: sheet lead into what we would call a plum sinker

1149
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: that passes through his line, and he runs his mono

1150
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: to a wire leader to a big gass hook with

1151
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 1: a with a hand fashioned sheet lead sinker, and it's

1152
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: the same thing. When the fish picks it up, you

1153
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 1: let him run before you set the hook. Then you

1154
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: set the hook, and he pulls all kinds of drag

1155
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 1: and you gain on him, and you lose on him,

1156
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: and gain on him and lose on him, and this

1157
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: is all the same thing, but you're doing it by hand,

1158
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,640
Speaker 1: very effective. And these guys can cast accurately, which is

1159
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: more impressive to me using a hand line and far too,

1160
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: I mean like a circular motion overhead, like go at

1161
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: the right time and yeah, and they get about they

1162
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: get about three quarters the distance what your typical person

1163
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 1: is gonna get thrown a spinning rod. Half the three

1164
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: quarters of the distance that you're gonna get with a

1165
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: spinning rod. But very good accuracy. Okay, that was a

1166
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 1: rig That was a question. Are you're feeling good? Cover?

1167
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,640
Speaker 1: I got a mannerism question. Please with the because you

1168
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 1: had talked about um when we were at the village.

1169
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta restart this over um. I think

1170
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: these guys rowning in the boys, we're like these badasses

1171
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:54,679
Speaker 1: obviously from what we're talking about, but extremely uh soft

1172
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 1: spoken and kind of very quiet and polite and not

1173
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 1: oysteris do not yell, yeah, no yelling, do not hail.

1174
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: You do not hail a person. You do not speak

1175
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 1: from boat to boat and get along great. Like there's

1176
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 1: there was some stressful stuff going on, and it always

1177
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 1: seemed like is that unique to your community or is

1178
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 1: that you know what I mean? You said you had

1179
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: to learn to kind of interact with the tourists because

1180
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: of that nature of your community. Is that unique to

1181
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: the man rook here? Yeah? So the way we speak

1182
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: here is a creole way, not the perfect English speaking.

1183
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: So if I have to speak to one of my friends,

1184
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: I would speak my own way. If I have to

1185
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 1: speak to you, it's I gotta try to speak the

1186
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: right way where you could understand. Okay, if I speak

1187
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 1: to you the way I speak to my friends, that

1188
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 1: you would understand, you would like what because it's some

1189
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 1: it's a it's creole, but also like there's some like

1190
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: local words, Makuchi words put in right in between. Yeah,

1191
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 1: and then we speak to one or in a quiet way.

1192
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 1: Maybe we understand we're not. But since I started to

1193
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: work with different people, started guiding, I tried to speak

1194
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 1: more louder, try to speak more better, all of that,

1195
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 1: but that oh sorry, but the nature, like that calm nature,

1196
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: is that unique to the community but I think what

1197
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: guarante asking is like, do you like, is that just

1198
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 1: here in real village with your people, and or would

1199
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 1: you go into any Amerindian community and you would find

1200
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: everybody speaking softly, quietly? Yeah, I think it's it's like

1201
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 1: it's all around the region that's the same way. So

1202
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 1: just like like an observation about that, Um, when you

1203
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 1: got speak, that's probably it's something I'm sure something you

1204
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 1: never thought of. But it's unusual for us. We're loud.

1205
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 1: You guys always speak out a whisper. Yeah, And you

1206
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 1: do not. You wouldn't yell to a boat. Matter of fact,

1207
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 1: I saw you today. You stopped to speak to a

1208
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 1: man on the bank of the river, and we pulled

1209
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: up at a distance that I would be very comfortable

1210
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: carrying out a conversation, and you got out of the

1211
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 1: boat and spoke to him at a whisper, almost in

1212
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:39,640
Speaker 1: touching distance. Um, you do not, Hailey. You would never

1213
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: yell over hey go that way. You would never yell

1214
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 1: to get someone's attention, like hey, grab my thing, don't

1215
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 1: forget the You go up to the person and whisper

1216
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 1: to that person, not whisper, but a very very low voice.

1217
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: That would never, um, you wouldn't detect it. Do you

1218
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 1: think that does that come from needing to be quiet

1219
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 1: because of hunting and fishing, or does that come from

1220
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 1: some other thing? Do you think you wouldn't yell at

1221
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 1: another person? Ever? Thinks just the way we we grew

1222
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: up here, it's a respect. It's kind of a respect

1223
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: because my parents are not yelling at each other every day,

1224
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 1: so they don't yell at each other. So you grew

1225
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 1: up the same. And the rest of the says, well,

1226
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 1: would you ever yell at one of your kids at

1227
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 1: some point? If if I see the kid is about

1228
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: to fall, I would say that I would yell atze it.

1229
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 1: Don't claim or don't, but you would never yell at

1230
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: about something that wasn't urgent emergency. You had mentioned in

1231
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 1: one of our conversations since you started guiding that you, um,

1232
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 1: you learn learned how people will yell hey Rovan and

1233
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: say hi. And you mentioned the challenge now of remembering

1234
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 1: of learning to do that, but remembering when you go

1235
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: into your village to remember to be quiet and calm,

1236
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 1: as you said, yeah, it's hardly at first. Well, it

1237
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 1: was a little easier for me when I started guiding

1238
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: because my guests did not hear what I was saying. Yeah,

1239
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 1: that was the problem for me as a guide. So

1240
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: what I do and I started to pick up speak

1241
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 1: up more so that my guests can hear what I'm saying.

1242
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,600
Speaker 1: If it's a snake there, and it said there's a

1243
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:50,919
Speaker 1: snake there, does imagine you are guiding like eight persons

1244
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: one one one of them wouldn't hear, or one of

1245
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 1: them would have probably hearing, and then everybody said, they're

1246
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 1: just there, probably might step back on the marshy snake

1247
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: and get So that's where I got to speak louder

1248
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: so that they gets with here, don't touch that. What

1249
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 1: we're stepping the bullet on roun snake. There's a whole there,

1250
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 1: dinner time, dwarf dwarf Caymans which hide in the rocks,

1251
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 1: and the rappit the risks that that when earlier I

1252
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: use the term, I don't have you ever heard the term,

1253
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 1: but there's a term like spatial awareness. It's just it's

1254
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 1: like a thing like UM. Pilots, like helicopter pilots, need

1255
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 1: to have tremendous spatial awareness where there um they see

1256
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,839
Speaker 1: everything around them in a broad sense, Okay, So everything

1257
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:52,600
Speaker 1: with an eyesight outside of their their aircraft, they need

1258
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: to be aware of all things on all sides. But

1259
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 1: then also spatial awareness of these instruments and mechanisms that

1260
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 1: are right around them. So they're just capable of being

1261
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 1: aware of everything. They don't bump their heads, like a

1262
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: military helicopter pilot does not walk through a low door

1263
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 1: and bump his head because he's kind of like he's

1264
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 1: aware all the time of everything going on. I noticed

1265
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 1: that you guys that that we were traveling with carry

1266
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 1: that spatial awareness where when you go to touch a

1267
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 1: stick or step over a log, you're very aware of

1268
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 1: what insects or snakes or things might be there. But

1269
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 1: you're also pointing out a red howler monkey yards up

1270
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: away up the river and in the top of a tree.

1271
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: So does this like continual thing? And and the threats

1272
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 1: are real and you rattle off a bunch like in

1273
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,679
Speaker 1: this area you have a couple of kinds of ants

1274
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:03,719
Speaker 1: that have like a debilitating and bite um the world's

1275
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: most deadly snake or the new world's most deadly snake,

1276
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 1: the coral snake, maybe the world's dwarf caymans, which can

1277
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 1: bite there's a lot of things to pay attention to.

1278
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,600
Speaker 1: And imagine when you're guiding, you kind of feel like

1279
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 1: an obligation to have it be that people don't get

1280
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 1: Have you had anyone get messed up by anything? I

1281
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 1: was with you one time before and got zapped by

1282
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:38,599
Speaker 1: an electric eel, which would be difficult to notice at

1283
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 1: night underwater. I wouldn't be surprised if they could see it. Still, No,

1284
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 1: you know, growing up here, we grew up along with

1285
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 1: his snakes and the hands weaver in the forest. I'll

1286
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 1: play that week. So when we walk to the forest

1287
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 1: or we go travel to the river, campaign when ever,

1288
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 1: we know which ants could bite, which ants does not bite,

1289
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 1: what to touch, what not to touch. We're to hold on,

1290
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 1: We're not to hold on because of the rotten wood

1291
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And now if but when you

1292
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,719
Speaker 1: told me not to step on a piece of rotten wood,

1293
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 1: was it because you thought it would break or because

1294
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 1: they would have things that could get you inside of it?

1295
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: There are both things. One, it could be broken, you

1296
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: might get broken legs. Second, probably there is some ants

1297
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 1: that could bite and be painful. So that's what I said,

1298
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 1: don't step on the red wood. Well, All of that

1299
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 1: is part of guiding, you know, when you're very when

1300
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 1: you're getting a group of people, you have to be

1301
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:55,640
Speaker 1: telling them all of that because they don't know what

1302
01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 1: is there. And even like a little kick bite, you

1303
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 1: can be scratched in your I have two of them

1304
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, so they don't even know about that.

1305
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 1: I know about dick. I know when can't bite me yea,

1306
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 1: even like the jaggers, I know when the jagger in

1307
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 1: my foot, I would take right away. Oh, did you

1308
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: guys hear the last night because we decided to skip

1309
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 1: out on bathing time, we missed the jaguar siding? Well,

1310
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: you saw jaguar last night? Yeah, this guy the bids

1311
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 1: on the bank on the seat where we're all hanging out,

1312
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 1: where the tracks were. The jaguar came back. Yeah, while

1313
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 1: they were in the boat. It was just on shore.

1314
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 1: That was on the shore on the shines. Jaguar there. Oh,

1315
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:45,599
Speaker 1: is that jaguar in there? Is that jaguar? Because all

1316
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 1: the turtles had laid eggs there and there were lizards

1317
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 1: and vultures and carracras feeding on all the turtle eggs.

1318
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: Do you think the jaguars in there because of all

1319
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 1: that activity with the turtles. Is he hunting turtles? Yeah,

1320
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: he's off the turtless when they andrew abo tortless comes

1321
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: up to the eggs. Did jaguar sees the tartal and

1322
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: then comes a game? So that's what they're doing, is

1323
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 1: hunting turtles. That jaguar the jaguar track we saw I

1324
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: was traveling with another jaguar, probably its own sub adult baby.

1325
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 1: I would guess would that make sense? Or it would

1326
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: be a large male and a female. It could be

1327
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 1: that or probably has a young one, or it could

1328
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 1: be too man and female. Yeah, um, you got you

1329
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:40,599
Speaker 1: questions comments. We haven't hit up the whole boat fishing.

1330
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 1: Oh we're getting to that all right, don't you worry

1331
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:46,559
Speaker 1: about that? Rick? Yeah? I was always gonna ask Roban,

1332
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,600
Speaker 1: you have enough time to keep talking. You don't have

1333
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:54,640
Speaker 1: to be anywhere. Mmmmm. I'm good to know. Okay. I

1334
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 1: don't want to be the only guy who gets to

1335
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 1: ask questions. No, no, no, no no no. I just

1336
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 1: want to make sure we're not keeping roving too long. No, no,

1337
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 1: let's get onto both fishing, or you don't have any

1338
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 1: My question was gonna be like, um, do you have

1339
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 1: a favorite thing to do out here in the bush?

1340
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:13,799
Speaker 1: Is it fishing? Is it hunting animals for legged creatures?

1341
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: Or is it is it bow fishing? It's it's both,

1342
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 1: it's all. Yeah, you don't have a favorite though, No,

1343
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 1: it's just both. Like so with the arrow and the

1344
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:30,640
Speaker 1: arrow is like you could do hunting and fishing. I

1345
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 1: could shoot police or or a lava row that's a

1346
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 1: that's a large semi aquatic road and a very large

1347
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:44,679
Speaker 1: smaller than a turkey, but a very large game bird

1348
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 1: polies they called polis. And then I could do the

1349
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:55,679
Speaker 1: paco shooting with so unites. It's like fun, it is fun,

1350
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:57,680
Speaker 1: looks fun. So he didn't say both. He said, you

1351
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 1: said bow. That's your favorite to do, just to walk

1352
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 1: around with the bow and then whatever comes about you

1353
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:11,679
Speaker 1: like so so you like let you back up stuff.

1354
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 1: How many days a week when you're not doing any guiding,

1355
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 1: how many days a week do you farm? Like twice

1356
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:20,599
Speaker 1: twice a week, so you spent a couple of days

1357
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 1: a week fishing and hunting a couple of days a

1358
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:25,680
Speaker 1: week farming. Do you like fishing and hunting? I know

1359
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 1: you don't like this kind of question. Do you like fishing?

1360
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 1: And hunting more than farming. Oh you like it all,

1361
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 1: look at because if you don't farm, nobody would like supporting. Hey,

1362
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 1: here's your faring or here's your local drink or here's

1363
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:49,599
Speaker 1: your co SERI. So it's rather you gotta have your farm.

1364
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 1: So you got to have like a hull boat. So

1365
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 1: all you have to do it farming, fishing, hunting. Yeah,

1366
01:33:56,840 --> 01:34:02,720
Speaker 1: but there's a difference between half too and like to to.

1367
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 1: But you don't view it that way. No, good, that's good.

1368
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:11,680
Speaker 1: I think I really think it comes down to like

1369
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 1: asking a rancher if he lives in a pretty valley.

1370
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 1: It's just not part of it. It's just like the

1371
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:23,280
Speaker 1: nouveaux ranchers would say something but very pragmatic response like yeah,

1372
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 1: it's just it just is. Your brother Whitcliff said, you

1373
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 1: have to be a hunterman, a fisherman, and a weaver man.

1374
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 1: You have to be a perfect man to get a wife,

1375
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 1: right yea if if if you're not capable of doing

1376
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 1: those things, you would not get the wave. Weaving, hunting, fishing,

1377
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 1: and presumably farming. That's my problem. So yeah, Rick can't weave,

1378
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:58,720
Speaker 1: you can juggle, um, so yeah, does that get to yeah, no,

1379
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 1: I understand you know, I mean, I know you, but

1380
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if there was a if there was

1381
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 1: a discrepancy between what you were asking and what was

1382
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 1: being answer. My question was more fun sitting in the

1383
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 1: boat fishing or bow and I think he likes to

1384
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 1: do the bow. You can shoot birds or the fish.

1385
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,680
Speaker 1: When was the first time that you made it all

1386
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:23,560
Speaker 1: the way up to the uh Bamboo falls bamboo and

1387
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 1: that was on seven? Went up here? When you got there?

1388
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,639
Speaker 1: Did you? I want to? I want to like, yeah,

1389
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:35,920
Speaker 1: I do a segue, do a segway for me. Bring

1390
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 1: us into this is a hosting challenge for you, bring

1391
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 1: us into pocket. I don't even know where to begin.

1392
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 1: It's so like bow fishing for pacu is so extraordinary

1393
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: that I don't know how to get into it. Like

1394
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,799
Speaker 1: do you approach it through the tackle? Do you approach

1395
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 1: it through the fish? Do you approach it through the

1396
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 1: covered you covered romans tackle? No, not the pacu tackle.

1397
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 1: Just set the scene, just the lambs. It's a drop

1398
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 1: drop point with this with the string right, because he

1399
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:20,600
Speaker 1: has a spool of line in his hand on the

1400
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 1: fishing pocku. It's it's meant defferently because it washed down

1401
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 1: the waterfall and go over the rap. He's never see

1402
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 1: the damn thing, right. I think the portage with the

1403
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: loud roaring of the waterfall, it's a good way to

1404
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 1: get into it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how to even.

1405
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 1: It's so extraordinary and otherworldly. It's just very difficult for

1406
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:42,800
Speaker 1: me to even. It's just I don't know where to begin.

1407
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 1: Where you pick a thing and begin bright red fish, Okay,

1408
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 1: go with it, there you go. That's what you look.

1409
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 1: That's what you're looking for is bright red fish that

1410
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:58,360
Speaker 1: are eating like red, like something out of a fish store. Yeah,

1411
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 1: Like if you went to Petco, which I don't think

1412
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 1: carries fish, if you want wherever they help people buy

1413
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 1: aquarium fish, and you said, I need like a six

1414
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 1: seven pound bright red fish, bigger than a dinner plate. Please. Yeah,

1415
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:12,719
Speaker 1: it's very I was gonna I was actually gonna relate

1416
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 1: that scene when we saw the catabac eating the flowers

1417
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 1: to like it was like very cooy pond like you know,

1418
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 1: it was almost had this like oriental sort of like

1419
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 1: feeling very flowers and bright red fish coming out of

1420
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:30,800
Speaker 1: murky these paintings like they would love to paint that scene, right,

1421
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 1: those old style Japanese paints. Are you paint like a

1422
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:39,800
Speaker 1: tranquil scene? Yeah? So these, uh, the pocuar bigger than

1423
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 1: dinner plate. I'm guessing very big dinner plate like serving

1424
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 1: platter size. And uh as they are long, Yeah no,

1425
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 1: I mean they yeah, exactly there. Yeah, if they were

1426
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 1: just a little bit shorter, they would be a circle.

1427
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 1: And they're eating pacu weed. Yeah, yeah, which grows? This

1428
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 1: is a question I don't think we we got an

1429
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 1: answered during the trip. Does that plant grow when the

1430
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 1: water is lower out of the water or is it

1431
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:09,920
Speaker 1: Is it an aquatic plant? Is it always in the water.

1432
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 1: It's stays on the rock, but it always has water

1433
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:22,840
Speaker 1: gushing over. This is full balls waterfall. I mean this

1434
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 1: is like like drops that are five ft drops up

1435
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 1: to We're better bring in the kayak expert drops with

1436
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 1: a lot of steps in like like natural fish ladder

1437
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 1: structures up these falls. When you're thinking, like the hidden

1438
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:50,800
Speaker 1: gym in a in the jungle rainforest, like like onspiring

1439
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 1: that it was that was unreal if it was rainbows

1440
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 1: and ship off the mist so hard, if it wasn't

1441
01:38:57,400 --> 01:38:59,200
Speaker 1: so hard to get to they would build boardwalks and

1442
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 1: just charge you to take a look at it. Yeah,

1443
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:04,439
Speaker 1: And it's throwing up so the waterfalls throwing up so

1444
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:07,679
Speaker 1: much miss that it's a completely different plant regime there.

1445
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 1: You know that all the vegetation is different down there

1446
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:13,960
Speaker 1: because it's like a it's like a misty moisture in there,

1447
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 1: and it's a damn warm all the time, which just

1448
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:19,680
Speaker 1: like creates a weird habitat. But Yannis running with the

1449
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:25,519
Speaker 1: fish teeth like a human being. Yes, And they have

1450
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 1: a top row in the bottom rower teeth all lined

1451
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 1: up and they're sort of squ squarish, I guess. And

1452
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:38,599
Speaker 1: they touch yeah, person like a person with teeth. Yeah.

1453
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 1: But when I first looked at it in his mouth,

1454
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:42,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't like, oh my gosh, you look like my wife.

1455
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:50,439
Speaker 1: Relative to other fish, possibly, yes. And the greatest name

1456
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:52,960
Speaker 1: ever like the plant they make arrows from us called

1457
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 1: arrow plant, and the plant that the poc who eats

1458
01:39:55,200 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 1: is called it looks like part It's kind resembles resembles

1459
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 1: parsley and has a water cresty kind of vibe and

1460
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:11,480
Speaker 1: grows where grows stuck to the rocks of a waterfall

1461
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:15,560
Speaker 1: in the waterfall like not like in a riffle, not

1462
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:21,920
Speaker 1: in a churning pool, but where the water is gushing falling. Yeah,

1463
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,280
Speaker 1: say if it was six inches deep, it's a place

1464
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 1: where there's so much velocity to the water that if

1465
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:29,000
Speaker 1: you stuck your boot your foot into that six inches

1466
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:31,679
Speaker 1: of water, it would gush up halfway up your thigh.

1467
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:34,680
Speaker 1: There's that sort of velocity moving through there. It kind

1468
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 1: of like grows on rocks almost like underfalling water. Yeah,

1469
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 1: and sometimes right in the just like in the current

1470
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 1: and the pacus holding the current, and all kinds of

1471
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 1: postures that they have fins, like, like their whole backside

1472
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 1: is like fins, like because their dorsal fin is so

1473
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 1: far back that it almost becomes like in the line

1474
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 1: with the tail in their ventral fin is huge and

1475
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:07,760
Speaker 1: goes back. We're almost kind of joined forces with the

1476
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:12,599
Speaker 1: tail too. And they hold like like a normal fish upright.

1477
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 1: They hold sideways sometimes depending on what they're doing. And

1478
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 1: they're in there like a like a like an aquatic

1479
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 1: mountain goat, climbing around in the falls eating the water cress,

1480
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:29,719
Speaker 1: poku plant. So when you got them, it just looks

1481
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:31,840
Speaker 1: like you could guard. Like I was telling Corey like

1482
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:33,799
Speaker 1: when you got them, you could take it and garnish

1483
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:37,720
Speaker 1: a dish with it. Yeah, with the contents of his gut. Yeah.

1484
01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 1: I think something that you could point out, I can't.

1485
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:42,720
Speaker 1: I can. I can visualize it because I saw it.

1486
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 1: But something critical of those spots that were good pacu

1487
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 1: fishing or boat fishing areas was like where it's not

1488
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 1: like a river and then waterfall like said a step,

1489
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 1: it's like all these weird pocket the rock is cut

1490
01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 1: in so many different depths, weird like I don't know,

1491
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 1: Like the center of the river might plunge, the center

1492
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 1: of the river like does a real plunge, but the

1493
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:10,720
Speaker 1: sides of the plunge have like these steps where it's

1494
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:14,360
Speaker 1: like fall pool fall pool, all haul and ass. But

1495
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 1: it's like a monument if you were to design a

1496
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:19,960
Speaker 1: waterfall from scratch and be like, Okay, I'm gonna put

1497
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:21,840
Speaker 1: a little step here, a little step there, and like

1498
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:25,560
Speaker 1: very aesthetically pleasing and a big gass redfish and a

1499
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:30,040
Speaker 1: big kind of climbs around it kind of climbs around

1500
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:34,280
Speaker 1: in the rapids, and you walk up to the rapids

1501
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 1: and you're like the only thing that would make this

1502
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 1: waterfall better is a fish that I could shoot my

1503
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:41,200
Speaker 1: bow and arrow and lo and behold out of the

1504
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 1: froth emerges for a second, just enough to make you

1505
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:48,840
Speaker 1: think you're like hallucinating this giant red fish who then

1506
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 1: goes back under water. And then you perch up with

1507
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 1: a bow and an arrow and their cag and yeah,

1508
01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 1: you gotta sneak up on them. So you sneak up

1509
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 1: into like bowl range of where you saw this improbable

1510
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:06,800
Speaker 1: flash of red, and you perch up, not at full drogs,

1511
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 1: you don't know how long it's gonna be, but at

1512
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 1: an attentive quarter draw. Some of the fish some of

1513
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 1: are just pretty much sitting there holding but you know

1514
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:20,360
Speaker 1: they all kind of dodge in and out and you

1515
01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 1: wait and when your shot opportunity comes, you're doing what

1516
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 1: every bow fisherman knows. You need to aim low for refraction.

1517
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 1: So it's like when you stick a stick in the water.

1518
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:31,920
Speaker 1: If you ever jab your fishing pole in the water,

1519
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 1: looks like your fishing pole has gotta bend to it, right,

1520
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:38,360
Speaker 1: it's refraction. Um, you gotta aim below the fish for refraction.

1521
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:43,320
Speaker 1: But what American bow fisherman never have to do is

1522
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 1: hold up for current. I was shooting fiberglass arrow, which

1523
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:55,800
Speaker 1: cuts better than Roban's arrow wood arrow. There's been a

1524
01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 1: jaguar killing dogs in this town, and the dogs ran

1525
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:01,559
Speaker 1: by them, waiting for the jaguar to come after him.

1526
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:04,120
Speaker 1: He only comes out. He only comes that night. How

1527
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 1: many dogs has he gotten in the last couple of weeks,

1528
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 1: let's four nights more. He's got twenty four dollars. When

1529
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:15,080
Speaker 1: are you guys gonna kill the jaguar or don't you

1530
01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:18,720
Speaker 1: think you will? Yeah? Are you were about running out

1531
01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:27,920
Speaker 1: of dogs? No, there's letter dogs, puppies, and there's no

1532
01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:30,560
Speaker 1: fear that that jaguar is gonna grab a person. That

1533
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:36,040
Speaker 1: just doesn't really happen. That doesn't happen. Yeah, that's rarely happens.

1534
01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:39,080
Speaker 1: He'll just eat dogs and chicken. He's killed twenty four

1535
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:43,400
Speaker 1: dogs in the last couple of weeks. Was here his hands? Oh,

1536
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:46,800
Speaker 1: he's been here for a couple months, making a good living,

1537
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:58,360
Speaker 1: getting with me. So Roban's arrows buoyant. You sometimes probably

1538
01:44:58,439 --> 01:45:03,040
Speaker 1: have to aim. If you imagine the issues length. How

1539
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 1: much are you leading the fish upstream? Well, it's it's

1540
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:16,639
Speaker 1: not much since I have the wire point to shoot

1541
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:20,800
Speaker 1: the pack. Oh, it's heavy. Point and also the the

1542
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 1: drop point. It's made from three engineer, so it's heavy.

1543
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:29,479
Speaker 1: If if I had a bullet wood or a proper

1544
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:32,679
Speaker 1: heart point, it will be light. So when I shoot,

1545
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:35,479
Speaker 1: the crunt of the water will drift away the arrow.

1546
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 1: But I'm using a wire point, so I would aim

1547
01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 1: probably four inch um off the head. That's what when

1548
01:45:49,120 --> 01:45:51,840
Speaker 1: I was pictured. When I was shooting him, I was

1549
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:56,599
Speaker 1: sort of aiming at his basically aiming at his mouth, okay,

1550
01:45:57,600 --> 01:45:59,479
Speaker 1: And I was hitting most most of the ones I

1551
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:02,360
Speaker 1: hit were just behind the gill cover. But I was

1552
01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:04,400
Speaker 1: kind of picturing like I aim at his mouth and

1553
01:46:04,439 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 1: then it'll drift back, and so you figure like four

1554
01:46:07,439 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 1: inches off his nose. Yeah, And it depends on where

1555
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 1: the fish is and how deep and how deep. If

1556
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:16,400
Speaker 1: the fish is in strong current, that's where I picked.

1557
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:18,479
Speaker 1: But if the fish is like behind the rock there

1558
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:21,320
Speaker 1: is not so much of corn hanging around there, then

1559
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:24,320
Speaker 1: I am straight to the fish yep. And sometimes the

1560
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 1: fish come up with their fins out of the water.

1561
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 1: I need his aim right at him, yeah, streight on him,

1562
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:35,400
Speaker 1: and when he gets hit, he starts. He the fish

1563
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:39,840
Speaker 1: in your arrow to start tumbling down the waterfalls which

1564
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:46,280
Speaker 1: is one of the challenges of it. Um Well, so

1565
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 1: the dropoint is tie into the line, and the line

1566
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:56,760
Speaker 1: is eight point. Sometimes when I started to get it hit,

1567
01:46:57,200 --> 01:47:00,080
Speaker 1: it goes on the falls a little, and then the

1568
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:02,600
Speaker 1: line thang ups here and kind of wrapped there on

1569
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:06,680
Speaker 1: your foot your hand. That's a difficult part because it

1570
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:10,120
Speaker 1: pulls the dark pull your parents point out, and it's

1571
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:13,920
Speaker 1: it's strong. It's strong, very strong fish. Yeah, so all

1572
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 1: that fish, when when that fish wants to take off,

1573
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 1: all can needs to do is turn sideway and then

1574
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:23,559
Speaker 1: it's just like there's no stop on him. So Rovan's point,

1575
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:26,719
Speaker 1: like I said, he makes his harpoon point from a nail,

1576
01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:30,280
Speaker 1: a three inch nail, and flattens it and then cuts

1577
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:34,040
Speaker 1: barbs into it. And if his line tangles up on something,

1578
01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:37,479
Speaker 1: he's not he the fish can't pull drags, so to speak,

1579
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:43,200
Speaker 1: so it'll pull and pop his point out. Modern like

1580
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:45,920
Speaker 1: American fish arrows can kind of withstand it. The way

1581
01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:47,479
Speaker 1: the barbs are set up, you can kind of like

1582
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:49,640
Speaker 1: stop the fish and pull them back. But it's like

1583
01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 1: a pretty delicate thing because you're shooting the fish and

1584
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 1: then playing it handlining it, and you gotta climb your

1585
01:47:56,520 --> 01:48:01,200
Speaker 1: way down the rapids, climb way down the waterfalls to

1586
01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:04,760
Speaker 1: try to retrieve your fish. And that's one of your

1587
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 1: favorite fish. Yeah, these are one of my favorite deer

1588
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:16,080
Speaker 1: tasty and it's it's fun. You'd like to shoot him? Yea,

1589
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 1: I sure do. It's just like like I said, it's

1590
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 1: like when you both fish in America and our country,

1591
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:31,520
Speaker 1: you both fish in the dankest, like muddiest swamp hellholes

1592
01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:37,240
Speaker 1: generally not always, but generally you're in like stagnant backwater

1593
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:41,200
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, hunting for fish that are not the best.

1594
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:44,160
Speaker 1: Let's just put it very kindly and say that they

1595
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:49,439
Speaker 1: are generally not the best eating fish, because they're really

1596
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:53,000
Speaker 1: good fish. They're very popular fish in our country. You're

1597
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:56,719
Speaker 1: not allowed to shoot with the boat. So the fact

1598
01:48:56,800 --> 01:49:00,160
Speaker 1: that you can both fish for the best fish, and

1599
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:03,920
Speaker 1: I think the boys here can speak to the quality,

1600
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:09,479
Speaker 1: table fair of the fish in this river. I was

1601
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:12,720
Speaker 1: gonna say, like, like, how is that the like how

1602
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:19,559
Speaker 1: their meals are very u not very variety. As guests,

1603
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:24,080
Speaker 1: we had amazing food and like I don't know ten

1604
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:28,640
Speaker 1: different ways catfish cooked or maybe seven, I don't know,

1605
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:33,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of different varieties. The fishy isn't very the

1606
01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:36,320
Speaker 1: fish isn't very fishy. It's like there's no mud. It's

1607
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:41,639
Speaker 1: like it's all like meaty, like groupery, yellow eye rock fishy,

1608
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:47,840
Speaker 1: like really satisfying, dense, dense. Yeah, that packed PACKU lunch.

1609
01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:51,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god. The fish are good. They're like ocean fish.

1610
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,960
Speaker 1: They taste like ocean fish. I mean, just the ecosystem,

1611
01:49:55,479 --> 01:49:58,599
Speaker 1: the amount of fish, the size of the fish. It's

1612
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:01,040
Speaker 1: like a fall on just a bit. You know, when

1613
01:50:01,400 --> 01:50:03,360
Speaker 1: when I think of American rivers, I think of a

1614
01:50:03,439 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 1: little trout or even big trout, but nothing like nothing

1615
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 1: like what's going on trout or cupcakes many, yeah, little things.

1616
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:16,880
Speaker 1: I just realized that Paco thwarts my theory about fish.

1617
01:50:17,120 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 1: Who I pointed that out when you posted the theory

1618
01:50:20,200 --> 01:50:24,600
Speaker 1: Taco being one of the Yeah, Dirt Dirt was observing

1619
01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:29,000
Speaker 1: that not to tell what you were observing, well, big

1620
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:33,760
Speaker 1: game generally the herbivores or the tastier animals other than

1621
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:37,360
Speaker 1: the mountain lion, like in general things animals that eat

1622
01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:42,120
Speaker 1: grass and grain, and then with fish beast generally the

1623
01:50:42,200 --> 01:50:46,000
Speaker 1: fish that are the predatorial fish that are the tastier

1624
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:49,400
Speaker 1: flake eer meat. I told I totally agree with that.

1625
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:56,240
Speaker 1: I must. Yeah, but the Parsley fed it's the mountain

1626
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:58,640
Speaker 1: lion of fish. But this is a I mean it

1627
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:02,360
Speaker 1: is a vegetarian piranha, like it's from the you know

1628
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:09,760
Speaker 1: family of all right, man um to catch that from

1629
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:14,680
Speaker 1: the pocu with a line? Yeah, you walk out of

1630
01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:17,599
Speaker 1: the waterfalls and get yourself a handful of poccu weed

1631
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:21,320
Speaker 1: and then you build like a little paccu weed nugget

1632
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:27,800
Speaker 1: that's uh, what are the size of like am like

1633
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:30,320
Speaker 1: maybe a fun sized Snickers were a little bit smaller

1634
01:51:31,439 --> 01:51:34,000
Speaker 1: fun sized Snickers And uh, you wrap it up with

1635
01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:38,479
Speaker 1: like a heavy braided line. Made this little packet and

1636
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:41,240
Speaker 1: you basically run your hook right through it and that's it.

1637
01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:45,000
Speaker 1: You cast that out and just dead drifted in the current,

1638
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:49,559
Speaker 1: wait for the hip. And while we were both fishing, um,

1639
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:52,840
Speaker 1: we kind of checked out a few different falls and

1640
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:57,920
Speaker 1: got five pacu big bastards. And while we were both fishing,

1641
01:51:57,960 --> 01:52:01,479
Speaker 1: some of the other guys were hand lining pacu weed

1642
01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:05,679
Speaker 1: hooks dressed in poccu weed and they caught three small ones.

1643
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:08,360
Speaker 1: Do you get we gets to wear that. That's the

1644
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 1: things like you go off in one direction to do

1645
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 1: something these guys and you think that like you're kind

1646
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:17,280
Speaker 1: of following all evidence goes on. Then you come back

1647
01:52:17,320 --> 01:52:20,120
Speaker 1: and said, where the hell this thing comes from? Like

1648
01:52:20,280 --> 01:52:23,840
Speaker 1: a bunch fish laying in the sands. You're like, you

1649
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:26,320
Speaker 1: can't like keep you ye this morning, Yeah, there's a

1650
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:28,599
Speaker 1: whole We wake up to go out. It's raining too

1651
01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:30,920
Speaker 1: hard to go. It's raining too hard to go out

1652
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:35,960
Speaker 1: looking for semi aquatic rodents, and so I go back

1653
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:38,720
Speaker 1: to sleep and wake up and get word they're out

1654
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:42,200
Speaker 1: fishing and come back with like a splendid array of

1655
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:46,519
Speaker 1: fish to bring home. It's hard to keep up. That's

1656
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:50,160
Speaker 1: my concluding thought. Too much life on this river, it's

1657
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:52,559
Speaker 1: too much to keep up, too much stuff to catch.

1658
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:55,160
Speaker 1: What do you call that rick in the visual sense

1659
01:52:55,240 --> 01:52:59,400
Speaker 1: with the drone when there's too much My buddy reads.

1660
01:52:59,439 --> 01:53:03,479
Speaker 1: So you're like like a dog at the beach, dog

1661
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:06,600
Speaker 1: beach dog, beach in it and you're just running in

1662
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:09,639
Speaker 1: every direction like you're so excited about everything you don't

1663
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:12,400
Speaker 1: know which way to go. It happens when we're doing

1664
01:53:12,479 --> 01:53:15,280
Speaker 1: camera work. There's something to film, and there's so many

1665
01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:18,040
Speaker 1: things to film that you just can't. You don't, you

1666
01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:20,360
Speaker 1: don't film any of them very well, because you get

1667
01:53:20,479 --> 01:53:23,840
Speaker 1: so you get so distracted by everything that you end

1668
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:27,280
Speaker 1: up with nothing. So maybe the fishing was like kind

1669
01:53:27,320 --> 01:53:29,639
Speaker 1: of like that here, just so much going on. That's

1670
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:32,360
Speaker 1: that's how I would But these guys hone in and

1671
01:53:32,600 --> 01:53:38,280
Speaker 1: get it, get it done so dirt. H Yeah. Actually,

1672
01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:42,400
Speaker 1: the I knew the trip was gonna be good as

1673
01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:44,920
Speaker 1: far I knew it was gonna be good regardless. But

1674
01:53:45,479 --> 01:53:48,479
Speaker 1: when we showed up to the first camp and you're

1675
01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:52,559
Speaker 1: committing to this, you know, seven day trip, and the stove,

1676
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 1: the modern stove we brought ends up for technical reasons

1677
01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:59,560
Speaker 1: not working, and there wasn't like a beat skipped in

1678
01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:04,160
Speaker 1: these the boys and the cooks. These two gals cooked

1679
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:08,080
Speaker 1: for fifteen people for seven days over fire. Yeah, we

1680
01:54:08,160 --> 01:54:10,280
Speaker 1: brought down a camp chef. We brought down a camp

1681
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:13,840
Speaker 1: chef stove that runs off liquid pro pane. But these

1682
01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:19,240
Speaker 1: guys get a gas. Look that crazy weather happening. These

1683
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:21,280
Speaker 1: guys get a gas that comes out of Brazil and

1684
01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:22,600
Speaker 1: we can't I can't tell what the hell it is.

1685
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:25,040
Speaker 1: I've never seen a fitting like that, but it didn't.

1686
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:27,720
Speaker 1: They didn't skip a beat there, like no one ever

1687
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:30,360
Speaker 1: is like oh Son of a bitching like people don't

1688
01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:32,800
Speaker 1: talk or like blaming like as I go, sir, I

1689
01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:39,720
Speaker 1: got bit. Oh oh, we ever goes like oh no,

1690
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:41,440
Speaker 1: they never yelled, they got bit. I'm like, dude, they

1691
01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:45,560
Speaker 1: not get bit. Of course they get bit. Very impressed

1692
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:50,920
Speaker 1: with with the whole experience in the culture. Yeah. All.

1693
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:54,000
Speaker 1: Second that Roban's got a tight run ship to the

1694
01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:56,160
Speaker 1: nice crew to be on the river. It's a lot

1695
01:54:56,200 --> 01:54:59,920
Speaker 1: of his Roman works with his relatives. So brothers brought

1696
01:55:00,040 --> 01:55:05,880
Speaker 1: learn laws wife cousin right in the villa. Was your

1697
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:10,680
Speaker 1: cousin cousin? Yeah, so that's when he travels with. Would

1698
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:14,000
Speaker 1: you do you get along so well because you're all related,

1699
01:55:14,240 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 1: or because you're all from the village. We are at

1700
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:19,600
Speaker 1: the point of village, so you get along that way

1701
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:23,080
Speaker 1: with everybody in the village. So the way we do

1702
01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:25,520
Speaker 1: it like we do want to get into so much

1703
01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:29,640
Speaker 1: of a problem. Family only implied this kind of rumors,

1704
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:33,320
Speaker 1: so we call it rudy. We call it. Other persons

1705
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:38,120
Speaker 1: and some of my brother in laws in between. So

1706
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:42,520
Speaker 1: everybody left we have to get in played. So you

1707
01:55:42,680 --> 01:55:45,440
Speaker 1: keep people when you're doing a river trip for with

1708
01:55:45,640 --> 01:55:49,600
Speaker 1: clients you hire outside of your own family and just

1709
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:57,360
Speaker 1: get everybody involved. Yeah, Rick, I'm trying to think. Um,

1710
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:01,800
Speaker 1: there was a the work has thick. It was really

1711
01:56:02,360 --> 01:56:04,879
Speaker 1: great to see. But it's a really real nice balance

1712
01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:09,000
Speaker 1: from all the guys that were basically working those his

1713
01:56:09,120 --> 01:56:11,760
Speaker 1: outfitters and and setting up our camp, and there was

1714
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:15,200
Speaker 1: a ton of work to be done, um, and it

1715
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:19,200
Speaker 1: would be done very quickly, efficiently, and then uh, the

1716
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:21,720
Speaker 1: guys were very quick to just just hang out in

1717
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:24,600
Speaker 1: a very relaxed way, and it was a nice It

1718
01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:29,280
Speaker 1: was just it was nice to watch this work hang

1719
01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 1: out balance that I think most people don't do a

1720
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:36,120
Speaker 1: very good job at. And they just seemed to handle

1721
01:56:36,160 --> 01:56:37,960
Speaker 1: the tasks that need to be done and then they

1722
01:56:38,040 --> 01:56:41,520
Speaker 1: just had to you know, take go fish or go bathe,

1723
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:45,800
Speaker 1: or go just hang out. Um. The Yeah, I think

1724
01:56:45,880 --> 01:56:49,920
Speaker 1: it's a it's a lifestyle that I think Americans often

1725
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:53,520
Speaker 1: want to have some some sort of balance like that

1726
01:56:53,680 --> 01:56:56,160
Speaker 1: but can't reach it for for any number of reasons.

1727
01:56:56,520 --> 01:56:58,440
Speaker 1: Some people work too much and some people hang out

1728
01:56:58,480 --> 01:57:01,560
Speaker 1: too much. That's exactly right. That was an ongoing conversation

1729
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:06,480
Speaker 1: we were having is we were I was griping when

1730
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:09,680
Speaker 1: we have like bullshit sessions. I was griping a lot

1731
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:11,760
Speaker 1: about a thing that I've developed that's sort of a

1732
01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:16,360
Speaker 1: pet subject, kind of like a pet peeve is like

1733
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:21,960
Speaker 1: American relaxation culture. People who get like really serious about

1734
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:25,480
Speaker 1: relaxation and who like to get all set up to

1735
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:29,560
Speaker 1: relax and who are like, who plan a day of

1736
01:57:29,720 --> 01:57:33,640
Speaker 1: just relaxing. How much that aggravates me, But they're not

1737
01:57:33,720 --> 01:57:38,120
Speaker 1: really relaxing in the end. No, they do relaxing. Well,

1738
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:41,000
Speaker 1: I mean, they gotta planet, They gotta go buy this stuff.

1739
01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:43,240
Speaker 1: They gotta work hard to buy this stuff. Yeah. We

1740
01:57:43,320 --> 01:57:45,720
Speaker 1: had a chair that comes out to be like probably

1741
01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:48,760
Speaker 1: more work than relaxation. I had a chair and it's like, uh,

1742
01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:51,440
Speaker 1: on one arm of it a camp chair and on

1743
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:54,120
Speaker 1: one arm was like the zippered insulated pocket. On the

1744
01:57:54,160 --> 01:57:56,680
Speaker 1: other arms a cup holder, and thinking being you can

1745
01:57:56,720 --> 01:58:01,400
Speaker 1: put like two beers in the chair arm that you're

1746
01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 1: ready to drink, and then the one beer that you

1747
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:07,200
Speaker 1: are drinking and have me you've eliminated. Now then you

1748
01:58:07,200 --> 01:58:14,320
Speaker 1: need to get up. You're like, ha, suckers, get here

1749
01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:16,760
Speaker 1: that these people are getting up to go get a beer,

1750
01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:20,160
Speaker 1: you know, not knowing that you could get a chair

1751
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:24,320
Speaker 1: designed so you don't even need to do that. I

1752
01:58:24,440 --> 01:58:26,360
Speaker 1: was one. If you're gonna get, make one with a catherin.

1753
01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:30,080
Speaker 1: If it had another bag that just held a yurine sack,

1754
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:37,200
Speaker 1: then like people who who like really are into relaxation

1755
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:40,400
Speaker 1: would be even better. I bring this up because one

1756
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:42,680
Speaker 1: of the things that I've been like my wife and

1757
01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:44,520
Speaker 1: has bought our first house not a year ago, and

1758
01:58:44,920 --> 01:58:47,040
Speaker 1: it has like a rooftop deck, and I'm rigging the

1759
01:58:47,120 --> 01:58:50,000
Speaker 1: rooftop deck up for what I imagined to be, Like

1760
01:58:50,360 --> 01:58:53,080
Speaker 1: you would at a passing glance think of it as

1761
01:58:53,160 --> 01:58:56,760
Speaker 1: a relaxation area, and I'm just one day it struck

1762
01:58:56,880 --> 01:58:58,800
Speaker 1: me like, when this is done, the last thing I

1763
01:58:58,840 --> 01:59:01,280
Speaker 1: will ever do is come up and sit here and relax.

1764
01:59:02,280 --> 01:59:04,440
Speaker 1: I will lose all interest in it once it's done.

1765
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:08,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm not gonna be like, no, I'm gonna go

1766
01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:11,280
Speaker 1: up there and sit. Maybe you need a little bounce

1767
01:59:11,320 --> 01:59:13,480
Speaker 1: in your life. Yeah, that's a that's a personality thing.

1768
01:59:14,160 --> 01:59:17,920
Speaker 1: Take a moment after a hard day's work and go relax.

1769
01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:21,520
Speaker 1: Just something some people relaxed by weeding, which is what

1770
01:59:21,640 --> 01:59:24,600
Speaker 1: Steve will be doing up there. I put garden boxes

1771
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:26,600
Speaker 1: out there so I can go out there. That's what

1772
01:59:26,640 --> 01:59:27,840
Speaker 1: I'll saying I would grow up there and be like,

1773
01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:31,280
Speaker 1: why want this plant grow? I was gonna comment on

1774
01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:35,480
Speaker 1: hammock sleeping, which I've never done. Come down here, Roban

1775
01:59:35,560 --> 01:59:38,680
Speaker 1: sets up a very fine hammock system that's got a

1776
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:42,240
Speaker 1: It's amazing they set this up. There's like no poles

1777
01:59:42,280 --> 01:59:45,400
Speaker 1: in the ground whatsoever. In an hour or less, they've

1778
01:59:45,400 --> 01:59:48,240
Speaker 1: got a giant tarp over the top, giant tarp on

1779
01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:52,760
Speaker 1: the ground, like four posts or maybe more. Yeah. Talk

1780
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:57,720
Speaker 1: about the camp style and what it's reliant. Um two things.

1781
01:59:57,760 --> 02:00:08,840
Speaker 1: It's relying um soft sandy soil seconds yeah, and then

1782
02:00:09,080 --> 02:00:14,080
Speaker 1: um wood, soft wood that's strong, get easily chopped with

1783
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:17,720
Speaker 1: a machete or cutlass as they call him here, and

1784
02:00:17,880 --> 02:00:21,280
Speaker 1: and no reservation about cutting said wood. That's how Yeah,

1785
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:23,120
Speaker 1: that's something we were talking about. It's like when we

1786
02:00:23,200 --> 02:00:25,440
Speaker 1: grew up, it was like you were like we were,

1787
02:00:25,560 --> 02:00:28,040
Speaker 1: we got whooped if we were caught, you know, chopping

1788
02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:30,440
Speaker 1: at green trees. We go into the woods boys and

1789
02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:33,360
Speaker 1: whack at dead rotten trees as much as we wanted,

1790
02:00:33,680 --> 02:00:36,320
Speaker 1: but if we were caught, like working over a live tree,

1791
02:00:36,520 --> 02:00:39,520
Speaker 1: we literally got whooped for it. And uh, down here,

1792
02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:43,560
Speaker 1: there is just so much that Okay, if you had

1793
02:00:43,560 --> 02:00:47,400
Speaker 1: a bulldozer run through the woods, okay, you've reached an extreme.

1794
02:00:47,600 --> 02:00:51,640
Speaker 1: But like you and a cutlass just simply cannot damage

1795
02:00:51,680 --> 02:00:55,560
Speaker 1: the rainforest, right, So no, best you can carve out

1796
02:00:55,560 --> 02:00:58,040
Speaker 1: like a little spot, a little spot that you'll have

1797
02:00:58,160 --> 02:00:59,800
Speaker 1: for a little while. When you come back a week later,

1798
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:02,240
Speaker 1: gonna do some more carving to get it back to

1799
02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:05,920
Speaker 1: be your spot again. But uh yeah, So they run

1800
02:01:06,360 --> 02:01:09,640
Speaker 1: opposing polls at a little bit of an angle and

1801
02:01:09,720 --> 02:01:12,160
Speaker 1: then run the hammock line from that, and then the

1802
02:01:12,240 --> 02:01:17,320
Speaker 1: hammocks and closed in a m mosquito netting but stretched

1803
02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:20,120
Speaker 1: out with little uh t bars so that you got

1804
02:01:20,160 --> 02:01:22,760
Speaker 1: plenty of room inside there. I guess the hammocks are

1805
02:01:22,840 --> 02:01:26,800
Speaker 1: made out of cotton. Yeah, yeah, cotton. Just They sometimes

1806
02:01:26,920 --> 02:01:29,800
Speaker 1: peg their posts like because you'll dig a hole with

1807
02:01:29,880 --> 02:01:33,280
Speaker 1: a machine, sink a post in it, and then take

1808
02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:35,600
Speaker 1: a peg and like pound the peg so it fills

1809
02:01:35,640 --> 02:01:40,360
Speaker 1: the space the gap packing with dirt. Very quick check task.

1810
02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:43,800
Speaker 1: I love the hammock sleeping. I thought I thought it

1811
02:01:43,880 --> 02:01:46,600
Speaker 1: was gonna throw my back for a loop, and yeah

1812
02:01:46,680 --> 02:01:48,560
Speaker 1: I was. That was probably one of the things I

1813
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:50,600
Speaker 1: was worried about the most, was gonna be that I

1814
02:01:50,760 --> 02:01:53,320
Speaker 1: was gonna like three days into it be like crippled

1815
02:01:53,480 --> 02:01:57,280
Speaker 1: from hammock sleeping and well, we had different experiences, Corey,

1816
02:01:57,360 --> 02:02:00,240
Speaker 1: you didn't. You didn't do so well. But couple of

1817
02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:04,720
Speaker 1: days was fine, boat portages. Maybe it's the I don't know.

1818
02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:07,200
Speaker 1: I spent a few days on the Amazon and I

1819
02:02:07,320 --> 02:02:09,480
Speaker 1: used the hammock there and I did all right, But

1820
02:02:10,280 --> 02:02:12,040
Speaker 1: I ended up sleeping on the ground in the last

1821
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:15,400
Speaker 1: couple of nights. Snakes, here, snakes, We're gonna get you.

1822
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:18,040
Speaker 1: Where were you on the ground right under my hammock?

1823
02:02:20,040 --> 02:02:22,080
Speaker 1: Were you getting up and bit up by the ants

1824
02:02:22,120 --> 02:02:24,080
Speaker 1: and ticks and whatnot? A lot? No, I figured out

1825
02:02:24,120 --> 02:02:29,760
Speaker 1: the way you put the mosquito knitting underneath good thinking.

1826
02:02:30,280 --> 02:02:33,240
Speaker 1: You know, the machete thing we did chop all out

1827
02:02:33,280 --> 02:02:38,000
Speaker 1: of green wood. It wasn't like remember that show named

1828
02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:40,920
Speaker 1: that tune? Yeah, it was like a show. It's like

1829
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:42,600
Speaker 1: a game show. And you have to be like, there's

1830
02:02:42,600 --> 02:02:44,920
Speaker 1: like a host, right, you'd come on, you'd be like,

1831
02:02:45,000 --> 02:02:47,680
Speaker 1: I can name that tune in four notes, and the

1832
02:02:48,440 --> 02:02:51,520
Speaker 1: four notes and some of I'll name in three. Well

1833
02:02:51,600 --> 02:02:53,840
Speaker 1: with that, i'll name it two. And they played two

1834
02:02:53,960 --> 02:02:55,800
Speaker 1: notes and then if the guy gets it. He like

1835
02:02:55,880 --> 02:02:59,560
Speaker 1: wins money. We had a game we played his kids

1836
02:02:59,640 --> 02:03:01,480
Speaker 1: called his based off name that too. It was called

1837
02:03:01,560 --> 02:03:04,240
Speaker 1: Chopped that Tree. And we would walk up to a

1838
02:03:04,360 --> 02:03:08,000
Speaker 1: tree with a machete and you'd be like, Dan, I

1839
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:11,000
Speaker 1: can chop that tree and five hits and he'd be like,

1840
02:03:11,120 --> 02:03:14,360
Speaker 1: I probably chopped that tree and four hits and they're like,

1841
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:17,120
Speaker 1: Dan chopped that tree. And then he would have to

1842
02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, and what did you win? Mine can't know.

1843
02:03:22,040 --> 02:03:23,800
Speaker 1: We even't bet money yet, but remind me of like

1844
02:03:23,960 --> 02:03:26,080
Speaker 1: how much we were able to roam around machete's And

1845
02:03:26,160 --> 02:03:28,480
Speaker 1: last time I was here, I brought Roban's machete home

1846
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:32,560
Speaker 1: with me and gotten way ass trouble when my wife

1847
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:35,280
Speaker 1: came around the corner and are and I was letting

1848
02:03:35,320 --> 02:03:38,400
Speaker 1: our three year old cut loose on a rotten pumpkin

1849
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:41,240
Speaker 1: with that machete. And she's still kind of mad about that,

1850
02:03:42,600 --> 02:03:47,560
Speaker 1: And even Robin thought that was foolish of me. Ro

1851
02:03:47,600 --> 02:03:51,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't let your kids play with machete, no,

1852
02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:57,760
Speaker 1: when they already sharp there ye, Rick, Rick just juggles him.

1853
02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:01,440
Speaker 1: You don't, Rick don't use money anything besides the air.

1854
02:04:01,720 --> 02:04:04,280
Speaker 1: Did you guys use that hatchet or the cutlass better

1855
02:04:05,400 --> 02:04:08,080
Speaker 1: that black hatchet? I used it last night. Is it

1856
02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:11,200
Speaker 1: not as good as the cutlass? For it works good?

1857
02:04:11,760 --> 02:04:16,120
Speaker 1: It's more heavier for pounding y. Yeah. And another thing

1858
02:04:16,520 --> 02:04:20,840
Speaker 1: uh speaking of like cutlass is and whatnot? Um flam

1859
02:04:21,080 --> 02:04:24,680
Speaker 1: not flaming, but like basically like cutting fish and doing

1860
02:04:24,760 --> 02:04:28,200
Speaker 1: like flay type maneuvers on fish with machetes is interesting

1861
02:04:28,280 --> 02:04:34,440
Speaker 1: to watch, Uh, Corey wrap up thoughts wrap up. See.

1862
02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:37,400
Speaker 1: I was talking to Rudy on the beach sand beach

1863
02:04:37,480 --> 02:04:39,800
Speaker 1: yesterday while we were drying out our clothes, and he

1864
02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:43,960
Speaker 1: kept referring to the outside world, and I thought that

1865
02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:46,560
Speaker 1: was it's kind of neat that you guys are Okay,

1866
02:04:47,200 --> 02:04:51,080
Speaker 1: there's a place still left where there you know, people

1867
02:04:51,120 --> 02:04:55,200
Speaker 1: are looking outward and thinking it's an outside world like

1868
02:04:56,400 --> 02:04:58,720
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, and like you can still

1869
02:04:58,760 --> 02:05:01,680
Speaker 1: have the sense of their being this and then and

1870
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:04,360
Speaker 1: and how you guys are taking that outside world and like,

1871
02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, bringing people from that outside world here to

1872
02:05:08,520 --> 02:05:15,120
Speaker 1: the rewa lodge and um. But you're you're preserving your

1873
02:05:15,200 --> 02:05:17,640
Speaker 1: culture through that, Like you're reaching out to the outside

1874
02:05:17,680 --> 02:05:21,240
Speaker 1: world at the same time you're preserving your culture. You know,

1875
02:05:21,440 --> 02:05:27,000
Speaker 1: it's a it's a pretty special place and it's accessible,

1876
02:05:27,240 --> 02:05:30,560
Speaker 1: I might add, I mean we did JFK to Georgetown

1877
02:05:30,640 --> 02:05:32,920
Speaker 1: on like what a five and a half hour flight

1878
02:05:33,080 --> 02:05:37,560
Speaker 1: maybe and then Georgetown an hour and hour plus a

1879
02:05:37,600 --> 02:05:41,720
Speaker 1: couple of minutes, um charter flight. Doesn't it doesn't it

1880
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:44,600
Speaker 1: like a single propssess the caravan that lands on a

1881
02:05:44,760 --> 02:05:48,200
Speaker 1: on a grass like a dirt strip, and then rolling

1882
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:50,400
Speaker 1: his boys pick you up and in an hour you're

1883
02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:54,640
Speaker 1: at the Eco Lodge living large. Before we go, we

1884
02:05:54,680 --> 02:05:58,520
Speaker 1: should I get my concluder. You said you already had

1885
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:01,520
Speaker 1: your concluding I thought of different on all right, Robin,

1886
02:06:01,600 --> 02:06:03,680
Speaker 1: we talked about something privately, and if you don't want

1887
02:06:03,680 --> 02:06:05,880
Speaker 1: to talk about you don't have to. But would you

1888
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:11,800
Speaker 1: mind talking to a public audience about what happened with

1889
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:14,720
Speaker 1: the packeries or is that something you don't want to discuss,

1890
02:06:17,160 --> 02:06:22,680
Speaker 1: like why you're not seeing them right now? Well? Um,

1891
02:06:26,040 --> 02:06:32,120
Speaker 1: we have sha men. They are like the I would

1892
02:06:32,360 --> 02:06:35,480
Speaker 1: say they're like the Doctor's norths whoever you could call

1893
02:06:35,560 --> 02:06:38,000
Speaker 1: in your country. But here we have like shamans. They

1894
02:06:38,040 --> 02:06:43,360
Speaker 1: are knowledgeable, they have the power of using we call

1895
02:06:43,400 --> 02:06:47,040
Speaker 1: it Amaran high science. They can't do anything to a

1896
02:06:47,200 --> 02:06:57,320
Speaker 1: fish the river to animals such as packeries. UM twelve

1897
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:00,840
Speaker 1: approximately twelve years ago. We used to have lots of

1898
02:07:00,960 --> 02:07:06,800
Speaker 1: pickeries coming close to the village feeding a white white packer.

1899
02:07:07,240 --> 02:07:09,320
Speaker 1: Would you come like a one hundred or two hundred

1900
02:07:09,320 --> 02:07:13,240
Speaker 1: of them at a time. Yeah, they're like a hog pig. Yeah,

1901
02:07:13,320 --> 02:07:15,680
Speaker 1: we call it whitehugs. We call have we have the

1902
02:07:15,760 --> 02:07:19,680
Speaker 1: collared packer, which is called Havilina. This is a bigger, louder,

1903
02:07:19,840 --> 02:07:25,160
Speaker 1: more gregarious Havilina species of colored white lit packery. So

1904
02:07:25,280 --> 02:07:28,640
Speaker 1: this this hugs white hugs picker is used to come

1905
02:07:28,680 --> 02:07:33,240
Speaker 1: and feeding in the end of the ponds. We didn't

1906
02:07:33,240 --> 02:07:37,760
Speaker 1: on fruits not warm and as you go trout up

1907
02:07:37,760 --> 02:07:39,800
Speaker 1: the river you can bump into them, you can head

1908
02:07:39,840 --> 02:07:42,920
Speaker 1: them up a destance. You can't even smell them. It

1909
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:44,640
Speaker 1: is a fun. So we used to have a lot

1910
02:07:44,720 --> 02:07:47,160
Speaker 1: of fun, like shooting, and we have like meat, you

1911
02:07:47,240 --> 02:07:53,120
Speaker 1: can barbecue lots of barbecues fresh meat. Now in order

1912
02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm ringing villages, they have people that have very knowledge,

1913
02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:06,960
Speaker 1: like you said, shaming and because of we um having

1914
02:08:06,960 --> 02:08:12,960
Speaker 1: a lot of food and unwhere they don't. Now there's

1915
02:08:13,000 --> 02:08:19,240
Speaker 1: like jealousy if forever, if I'm jealous of Steve steps

1916
02:08:19,360 --> 02:08:22,000
Speaker 1: accurately shooting. I would do my highest science on Steve

1917
02:08:22,160 --> 02:08:25,000
Speaker 1: and next time he wouldn't shoot accurate anything should is

1918
02:08:25,080 --> 02:08:31,160
Speaker 1: like miss keep missing? Yeahs, So because of my I

1919
02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:33,600
Speaker 1: use my high science on him. So people are like

1920
02:08:33,880 --> 02:08:36,640
Speaker 1: like that here. So what they do is like this

1921
02:08:36,960 --> 02:08:41,800
Speaker 1: top the picker is they lock them up somewhere. Well

1922
02:08:41,880 --> 02:08:45,680
Speaker 1: I don't were, but somewhere between the mountains. I have

1923
02:08:45,800 --> 02:08:51,840
Speaker 1: no idea using their highest science. Now to get the

1924
02:08:52,200 --> 02:08:55,040
Speaker 1: picker is to come out from there. We have to

1925
02:08:55,120 --> 02:09:00,760
Speaker 1: get another another shaman that could do the highest science

1926
02:09:00,840 --> 02:09:04,600
Speaker 1: to get the pickers out from there because they are

1927
02:09:04,680 --> 02:09:07,240
Speaker 1: lacked out there. Now if we have one like that,

1928
02:09:07,400 --> 02:09:09,400
Speaker 1: we could get the speakers out. Now they will be

1929
02:09:09,560 --> 02:09:14,800
Speaker 1: all over again. But that's that's how the pickeries had

1930
02:09:14,840 --> 02:09:18,200
Speaker 1: me stopped. How did they shaman get that get to

1931
02:09:18,360 --> 02:09:22,080
Speaker 1: that level? Well, is there someone training it or you

1932
02:09:22,120 --> 02:09:24,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean? They learn from their parents, their

1933
02:09:24,320 --> 02:09:27,320
Speaker 1: parents like it was like a shaman and smoked tobacco,

1934
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:31,520
Speaker 1: trades nose and you know, like the doose. A lot

1935
02:09:31,560 --> 02:09:35,480
Speaker 1: of things. They can bring them like a fish spirit

1936
02:09:36,200 --> 02:09:39,200
Speaker 1: by shaking the bush in the house and doing their

1937
02:09:39,280 --> 02:09:42,560
Speaker 1: things and stuff like that and then they can bring

1938
02:09:42,600 --> 02:09:49,840
Speaker 1: them like a pickery is ah pickory is leader. I

1939
02:09:49,880 --> 02:09:53,640
Speaker 1: would call it that way. Now, hey, you know, jab

1940
02:09:53,720 --> 02:09:55,800
Speaker 1: with him, take a little shout of local drink, you know,

1941
02:09:55,960 --> 02:10:00,600
Speaker 1: by spirit, and then if the shaman sai, okay, what

1942
02:10:01,240 --> 02:10:03,280
Speaker 1: I want to lock you up here for a while

1943
02:10:03,680 --> 02:10:05,640
Speaker 1: to or three years, four five years, how many years,

1944
02:10:06,480 --> 02:10:08,800
Speaker 1: and be there. I don't come on, I want you

1945
02:10:08,880 --> 02:10:12,600
Speaker 1: to be there. I want you to stay do That's

1946
02:10:12,640 --> 02:10:16,640
Speaker 1: how the shaman works. They have like a little power designs.

1947
02:10:16,640 --> 02:10:19,600
Speaker 1: They are working, so they are like good and bad ones.

1948
02:10:21,240 --> 02:10:25,400
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you are here and you

1949
02:10:25,440 --> 02:10:28,400
Speaker 1: said the pickers, but we used to have a lot

1950
02:10:28,480 --> 02:10:31,440
Speaker 1: of pickers here. We have to have a lot of myths.

1951
02:10:31,960 --> 02:10:34,440
Speaker 1: We used to have a lot of fun. But now

1952
02:10:35,160 --> 02:10:38,640
Speaker 1: there's no white clip pickers. We just have the colored

1953
02:10:38,680 --> 02:10:42,560
Speaker 1: ones around. Did the did the shaman or the other

1954
02:10:42,800 --> 02:10:46,880
Speaker 1: village that use the high science to lock up the packeries?

1955
02:10:47,120 --> 02:10:50,040
Speaker 1: Did they tell you that they were doing this or

1956
02:10:50,520 --> 02:10:53,680
Speaker 1: did the packers just disappear? And then you you you

1957
02:10:53,800 --> 02:10:57,720
Speaker 1: speculated that that's why they We know. We know we

1958
02:10:57,840 --> 02:11:01,760
Speaker 1: know because for a while, viden's any pickeries and then

1959
02:11:02,600 --> 02:11:06,919
Speaker 1: we have our someman in the village is not perfect,

1960
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:10,640
Speaker 1: but at least you can get some experience. But he

1961
02:11:10,680 --> 02:11:14,160
Speaker 1: could already could tell you what is happening. He knows

1962
02:11:14,240 --> 02:11:18,600
Speaker 1: what happened. So he said, there's somebody like them up there.

1963
02:11:18,840 --> 02:11:24,200
Speaker 1: So they're there. That's what anymore. It even the fish, like,

1964
02:11:25,400 --> 02:11:29,000
Speaker 1: if somebody like do something to the river, you will

1965
02:11:29,600 --> 02:11:34,440
Speaker 1: hardly get some fish, hardly get some turtles. Author's kind

1966
02:11:34,520 --> 02:11:40,760
Speaker 1: ones and so on. So that is how the shaman works.

1967
02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:44,520
Speaker 1: There are goodd ons and bott ones. You know, they

1968
02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:50,160
Speaker 1: could do any anything. I understand whoever, Like I understand

1969
02:11:50,200 --> 02:11:55,080
Speaker 1: why someone would be jealous of Reward village because it's

1970
02:11:55,120 --> 02:12:00,800
Speaker 1: a beautiful village that's wonderful to busines. So I understand

1971
02:12:00,840 --> 02:12:03,840
Speaker 1: how someone that had a bad village that wasn't this

1972
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:07,680
Speaker 1: way and this friendly and such great people. Um, I

1973
02:12:07,800 --> 02:12:11,400
Speaker 1: see how they would get jealous. Yeah, but I don't

1974
02:12:11,400 --> 02:12:14,600
Speaker 1: think that you. I don't think that that that that.

1975
02:12:15,200 --> 02:12:18,440
Speaker 1: I hope that your packers come back. Yeah, I hope

1976
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:23,960
Speaker 1: they come back soon. Some day. I started Shama, bring

1977
02:12:24,480 --> 02:12:27,480
Speaker 1: bring all the picker is I hope. I hope that

1978
02:12:27,560 --> 02:12:30,680
Speaker 1: they come back. Roban, do you have any thoughts you'd

1979
02:12:30,720 --> 02:12:32,200
Speaker 1: like to do you have anything you want to say

1980
02:12:32,280 --> 02:12:35,720
Speaker 1: that you didn't get a chance to talk about. Well,

1981
02:12:35,840 --> 02:12:39,200
Speaker 1: I just want to say, like, I thank you to

1982
02:12:39,360 --> 02:12:44,240
Speaker 1: all of you guys who come up here choosing Guyana

1983
02:12:44,600 --> 02:12:48,560
Speaker 1: Jurdan Rea and to do a little expert tribute me.

1984
02:12:49,960 --> 02:12:54,720
Speaker 1: And then I hope you learn something from our culture

1985
02:12:54,800 --> 02:12:57,600
Speaker 1: that we are keeping up the traditional way of life.

1986
02:12:57,640 --> 02:13:00,720
Speaker 1: We are doing fishing. That's what we do for living.

1987
02:13:01,280 --> 02:13:05,240
Speaker 1: We fish, we hunt, we farm, we do all of

1988
02:13:05,360 --> 02:13:11,160
Speaker 1: that for our leaving. I know, traveling up the river.

1989
02:13:13,320 --> 02:13:17,240
Speaker 1: We it's not something it's not something that is new

1990
02:13:17,320 --> 02:13:19,360
Speaker 1: to us. We have been doing this for years, so

1991
02:13:19,840 --> 02:13:22,440
Speaker 1: we get used to it now. In parting that to

1992
02:13:22,520 --> 02:13:26,280
Speaker 1: you guys, you maybe some guy would go there and

1993
02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:29,600
Speaker 1: see how you live there. Maybe far different here. It's

1994
02:13:29,640 --> 02:13:34,160
Speaker 1: like locally so do Yeah you know the river? Like

1995
02:13:34,360 --> 02:13:37,000
Speaker 1: how a person who has had the same garage for

1996
02:13:37,160 --> 02:13:41,960
Speaker 1: ten years knows what's in their garage. Yeah, night driving,

1997
02:13:42,200 --> 02:13:47,240
Speaker 1: night driving, a night driving, we know the river. Robin.

1998
02:13:47,360 --> 02:13:51,920
Speaker 1: How if someone wanted to if someone wants to come

1999
02:13:53,000 --> 02:13:55,120
Speaker 1: and and visit with you and do a river and

2000
02:13:55,240 --> 02:13:57,480
Speaker 1: hire you to do a river trip, what is the

2001
02:13:57,560 --> 02:14:01,600
Speaker 1: best way that they get in contact with you. You

2002
02:14:01,680 --> 02:14:04,320
Speaker 1: can contact me by email. Do you want to say

2003
02:14:04,360 --> 02:14:08,720
Speaker 1: what your email is? Yeah, Robin olovint gmail dot com.

2004
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:12,200
Speaker 1: So R O v A E I N A v

2005
02:14:12,320 --> 02:14:15,880
Speaker 1: A N I'm sorry from the top. R O v

2006
02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:18,920
Speaker 1: I N A L v I N gmail dot com,

2007
02:14:19,160 --> 02:14:23,200
Speaker 1: Roven Lvin gmail dot com. And you will help that

2008
02:14:23,360 --> 02:14:25,320
Speaker 1: if someone wants to coll me will help arrange a

2009
02:14:26,440 --> 02:14:30,000
Speaker 1: a a trip on the river to see how you live.

2010
02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:35,240
Speaker 1: Um I, I don't know that we've ever done this

2011
02:14:36,200 --> 02:14:40,120
Speaker 1: on this show, but it is a UM I live

2012
02:14:40,520 --> 02:14:45,440
Speaker 1: in constant you know. I'm always a little suspicious of

2013
02:14:47,480 --> 02:14:50,920
Speaker 1: that suspicious of guy. That's not the right word. I

2014
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:52,400
Speaker 1: don't I don't know if I've ever done this in

2015
02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:56,800
Speaker 1: this vocal of the way. But if you have the time,

2016
02:14:57,720 --> 02:15:00,880
Speaker 1: and you have the money and you want to see

2017
02:15:01,040 --> 02:15:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to say a vanishing way of life,

2018
02:15:03,560 --> 02:15:08,960
Speaker 1: because that would, I hope be wrong. UM. I hope

2019
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:11,200
Speaker 1: that it's not a vanishing way of life. If you

2020
02:15:11,240 --> 02:15:15,240
Speaker 1: want to see a way of life that UH brings you,

2021
02:15:15,680 --> 02:15:23,120
Speaker 1: that brings a closer understanding of um, how we all

2022
02:15:23,280 --> 02:15:26,760
Speaker 1: lived when we lived in in in greater harmony with

2023
02:15:26,840 --> 02:15:30,640
Speaker 1: the natural world and with the greater level of understanding

2024
02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:32,920
Speaker 1: of the natural world. If you want to have that

2025
02:15:33,080 --> 02:15:38,760
Speaker 1: set of experiences, UM, and really get a glimpse at

2026
02:15:39,200 --> 02:15:41,960
Speaker 1: an aspect of humanity that you that you miss and

2027
02:15:42,040 --> 02:15:45,280
Speaker 1: maybe long for and maybe always been curious about. But

2028
02:15:45,440 --> 02:15:47,640
Speaker 1: to do it in a way where you are kept

2029
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:52,040
Speaker 1: safe and where you are taken care of and your

2030
02:15:52,720 --> 02:15:59,560
Speaker 1: needs are met and UM, someone has the patients to

2031
02:16:00,000 --> 02:16:04,120
Speaker 1: answer your questions and doesn't leave you hanging on any questions,

2032
02:16:04,480 --> 02:16:06,960
Speaker 1: and that has the answers for the things you want

2033
02:16:07,000 --> 02:16:13,680
Speaker 1: to know. UM. I cannot recommend Uh. I can't give

2034
02:16:13,800 --> 02:16:17,120
Speaker 1: higher recommendation than than what I'm giving right now. It

2035
02:16:17,280 --> 02:16:19,760
Speaker 1: really is. I think it's something that someone would go

2036
02:16:19,960 --> 02:16:23,680
Speaker 1: do and they would refer to it when they were

2037
02:16:23,720 --> 02:16:28,760
Speaker 1: doing their relaxing for the rest of their life. No

2038
02:16:29,120 --> 02:16:32,200
Speaker 1: chair has a big enough beer pocket to UM hold

2039
02:16:32,360 --> 02:16:34,440
Speaker 1: enough beer for you to tell all the stories that

2040
02:16:34,520 --> 02:16:37,240
Speaker 1: you will pick up when you spend a week or

2041
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:44,040
Speaker 1: two on the river with roving Yeah. I would. I

2042
02:16:44,080 --> 02:16:46,560
Speaker 1: don't want to sound fatalistic. I would do it now.

2043
02:16:48,040 --> 02:16:54,280
Speaker 1: Go now, UM, don't wait too long, because things have

2044
02:16:54,440 --> 02:16:58,880
Speaker 1: a way of changing around UH. Anyone else, any last thing?

2045
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:03,040
Speaker 1: Go now? That was a good conclusion, Yeah, well said,

2046
02:17:03,160 --> 02:17:09,000
Speaker 1: thanks for Vans, for all the time you guys spent

2047
02:17:09,320 --> 02:17:15,640
Speaker 1: um looking out for us and teaching us. It was again,

2048
02:17:15,720 --> 02:17:17,240
Speaker 1: that's my second time down here, and it was just

2049
02:17:18,080 --> 02:17:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I will refer to this

2050
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:22,600
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life when I'm talking about

2051
02:17:24,560 --> 02:17:26,000
Speaker 1: life in the out of doors