Speaker 1: Wow, everybody, It's Tuesday, March fourth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So we're open
Speaker 2: to the franchise tag. It's me your Man, MG. Marcus Grant,
Speaker 2: joined by Michael f. Florio and Lakwan Jones. Happy Tuesday, fellas. Yeah,
Speaker 2: why you got You gotta be looking. I know we're
Speaker 2: gonna get into this. You have to be feeling pretty
Speaker 2: good about about how your football weekend went.
Speaker 3: It's quiet.
Speaker 4: It's a quiet timeline now of the same annoying thing
Speaker 4: going on and on and on. So we are in
Speaker 4: good spirits today.
Speaker 2: All right, that's good. That's good Florida. That much happening
Speaker 2: with the Bills. I would imagine, you're are you all
Speaker 2: Mets out here? You're sort of you're sort of you're Mets.
Speaker 2: You're Mets focused right now, I would think, right, yeah, all.
Speaker 3: Right, now, Look, I love the Bills, but right now
Speaker 3: it's it's Mets and Knicks that have my attentions. So
Speaker 3: the Knicks plane, Look, I know everyone wants to poopoo them,
Speaker 3: but this is their best season in two decades. And
Speaker 3: the Mets have Juan Soto and he wants to be
Speaker 3: a met So. I know we were talking before about
Speaker 3: all the players the Dodgers have and it's gonna be
Speaker 3: very funny year for you guys. But I'm happy with
Speaker 3: just Jan Soto.
Speaker 2: Look is worth a lot. So yeah, I'd be happy
Speaker 2: with one soda.
Speaker 3: Three quarters of a billion.
Speaker 2: The Knicks are forty and twenty. They're in the third
Speaker 2: spot in the East.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's good man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's legit.
Speaker 3: I have a Nick fan friend who hates them. He's like,
Speaker 3: they're not going to win anything this year, and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 3: they're double the amount of wins in law, Like, enjoy it.
Speaker 2: That's what dude, gez. Yeah, dude, rings culture has ruined
Speaker 2: all of us.
Speaker 4: Man, it is the worst.
Speaker 2: It is the worst. We got a lot to go
Speaker 2: through on this show today. A lot has happened since
Speaker 2: the last time we talked to all of you. We
Speaker 2: will talk some free agency because we were about a
Speaker 2: week away from the legal excuse me, open negotiating period
Speaker 2: for free agency, and do a quick wrap up of
Speaker 2: the combine which happened this past week in Indianapolis, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, I mean talk about this this negotiating period.
Speaker 2: I know it's supposed to open officially next week. If
Speaker 2: you don't think some of that went on in Indianapolis
Speaker 2: last week, I would like to sell you some beachfront
Speaker 2: property in Scottsdale.
Speaker 3: So no one would ever do that, Marcus, I know right, nobody.
Speaker 2: Nobody would ever do that. Let's dive in with some news,
Speaker 2: because there has been a lots of news happening. In fact,
Speaker 2: there were things that I sort of left out just
Speaker 2: for fear of this thing getting way too long and
Speaker 2: out of control. The first one, at least the one
Speaker 2: most recent, is the Bengals have said they will apply
Speaker 2: the franchise tag to T Higgins for a second straight
Speaker 2: year and the two sides will try and work out
Speaker 2: a longer term deal. I believe they have until mid
Speaker 2: July to actually come to an agreement on something, so
Speaker 2: they do have a little bit of time to try
Speaker 2: to work some things out. But in the meantime, Florida
Speaker 2: means the band is back together in Cincinnati, Joe Burrows there,
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase's T Higgins is coming back as well. Not
Speaker 2: to mention that this is one big free agent wide
Speaker 2: receiver piece off the board. So now that we know this,
Speaker 2: how early are you drafting T Higgins. Can he creep
Speaker 2: into the second round?
Speaker 3: Well, first, how much help does Joe Burrow need of
Speaker 3: I just wanted to give it a hard time to
Speaker 3: but I probably am not taking T. Higgins in the
Speaker 3: second round. And I was a little shocked to see
Speaker 3: that in early rankings on Fantasy Pros he's wide receiver thirteen,
Speaker 3: Like he's going ahead of Lad mcconkee. I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 3: I understand how good he was when he played this year,
Speaker 3: but he is someone that you kind of gotta expect
Speaker 3: to miss sometime. That's just kind of who he's been
Speaker 3: and prior to this year, he was always good to
Speaker 3: be like a solid wide receiver two, like somewhere in
Speaker 3: that like wide receiver eighteen to twenty four range. So
Speaker 3: that's where I'm more comfortable taking him. Like if he
Speaker 3: fell to the third round, like probably mid to late
Speaker 3: third round, I'd be in at that price. But I
Speaker 3: feel like this year, look, everything went right for the
Speaker 3: Bengals offensively. I know they didn't make the playoffs, but
Speaker 3: like Burrow went off, Chase went off, Higgins was going
Speaker 3: off when he was out there. But we've seen numerous
Speaker 3: seasons prior to this where like this isn't they don't
Speaker 3: get the high end results. So I don't want to
Speaker 3: chase last year and pay up and be like this
Speaker 3: is a guarantee that they're gonna go off like this again,
Speaker 3: because it's in the range of outcomes. But so is
Speaker 3: them doing what they've done in past years together. I
Speaker 3: think a lot of it comes down to their defense,
Speaker 3: Like what is their defense going to force them to
Speaker 3: have to try to throw the ball fifty times a
Speaker 3: game like they kind of were having to do this
Speaker 3: past the season, or is it gonna be a little
Speaker 3: bit better and they're able to run the ball more
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So I like T Higgins. I
Speaker 3: thought he was a value this year, but next year
Speaker 3: it feels like you're going to be paying up for
Speaker 3: his ceiling.
Speaker 2: I mean, LQ in the mock draft we did a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, you got T Higgins fourth pick
Speaker 2: in the third round, one pick right after Ladd McConkey.
Speaker 2: Do you think that price stays there?
Speaker 4: That probably should stay there. It's probably not. And I
Speaker 4: do like T Higgs in the third round rather than
Speaker 4: the second round, because again you have to have that
Speaker 4: expectation he's gonna miss games. It's been a while since
Speaker 4: he's had a full season, but he's not satisfied. He's
Speaker 4: not paid yet, So I don't think he's going to
Speaker 4: be you know, that happy, go lucky, one hundred million
Speaker 4: dollars you know wide receiver out there. I think he's
Speaker 4: gonna put his head down, continue on grind and kind
Speaker 4: of just protect hisself in the sense of like this
Speaker 4: franchise tag it could hurt him the following season. Say
Speaker 4: he gets hurted this season, he's not going to cash
Speaker 4: in as big as he could have been, even though
Speaker 4: he missed some games this past year.
Speaker 3: So hopefully they get a deal done.
Speaker 4: There's a way that they can get Jamar Chase satisfied
Speaker 4: to be the biggest paid wide receiver. Then there's a
Speaker 4: way that they can mess with the cap and get
Speaker 4: T Higgins signed as well. But you will probably have
Speaker 4: to go let go your Lee Sacker and Henderson. So
Speaker 4: it's like, I really feel like, you know, Hendrickson, I
Speaker 4: should say, I feel as though like your defense is
Speaker 4: going to be bad with him or without him, So
Speaker 4: move the guy on defense. Get T Higgins paid and
Speaker 4: locked up, so we can have this you know, shot
Speaker 4: back at the Super Bowl, and I think that, you know,
Speaker 4: the Bengals have the best opportunity with T. Higgins on
Speaker 4: their team, and fantasy managers had the best opportunity to
Speaker 4: get back to the Big Dance herself.
Speaker 2: If T.
Speaker 3: Higgins is locked in, happy and paid, the three of
Speaker 3: us are going to be playing defense for the Bengals
Speaker 3: next year.
Speaker 4: I call linebacker. I don't want to be into trending.
Speaker 2: I'll brush up on my back pedal and that sort
Speaker 2: of thing. To your point, though, Higgins has played just
Speaker 2: twelve games in each of the past two seasons. You
Speaker 2: know soye. Injuries have been an issue for him in
Speaker 2: the last couple of years. Has not hit a thousand
Speaker 2: yards since twenty twenty two. But the ten touchdowns go
Speaker 2: a long way toward making you fantasy relevant, sort of
Speaker 2: as he was last year.
Speaker 3: But as you always say, Mark, his fickle beasts.
Speaker 2: Touchdowns are fickle beasts. They are. I'll all say this,
Speaker 2: He's never had fewer than five in a season, so
Speaker 2: in that respect, he seems to be fairly consistent. But yeah, ten, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's asking a lot to do him back to back seasons.
Speaker 4: Not a second round pick like that, That's that's wow.
Speaker 4: That's kind of expensive, like you're going to be missing
Speaker 4: out on some good guys.
Speaker 3: Going ahead of Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 4: I'd rather Terry personally.
Speaker 2: So speaking of wide receivers and speaking of Terry McLaurin,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this out of order from what it
Speaker 2: is on the sheet. The Yeah forty nine Ers have
Speaker 2: traded Deebo Samuel to the Washington Commanders for a fifth
Speaker 2: round pick. Now full disclosure. I was visiting some friends
Speaker 2: in Arizona, went to a couple of Cactus League went
Speaker 2: to our Cactus League baseball game, but we were at
Speaker 2: the bar having some adult beverages when the news broke
Speaker 2: and I was surrounded by several forty nine er fans.
Speaker 2: Not a total surprise. I mean, the chatter had been
Speaker 2: happening for a couple of days that Washington was heavily
Speaker 2: involved and very very interested. I think for a lot
Speaker 2: of forty nine er fans, the general response has been,
Speaker 2: you know, hey, look, Deebo gave us some very good years.
Speaker 2: We appreciate your contributions to the franchise, and we wish
Speaker 2: you well in DC. I think it's you know, I
Speaker 2: think I think a lot of forty nine er fans
Speaker 2: sort of understood that, you know, the the clock is
Speaker 2: sort of run out on debo with the with the franchise.
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's upset. They appreciate everything he did,
Speaker 2: you know, and very curious to see what he does
Speaker 2: in Washington. Speaking of the commanders, Tho lakwan. When you
Speaker 2: look at this offense now Jayden Daniels obviously a stud
Speaker 2: in his rookie year, we know what Terry McLaurin can
Speaker 2: be by I think we've all said on this show
Speaker 2: too that he needed a little bit of help, He
Speaker 2: needed somebody to kind of take the pressure off him.
Speaker 2: On the other side, what does this mean now having
Speaker 2: Tyshon Samuel in Washington, Well.
Speaker 4: It means a couple of things. One, do you get
Speaker 4: help for Terry mclauren, Like this is great news for Terry.
Speaker 4: I mean you have a decoy and you have a
Speaker 4: wide receiver two that can draw enough attention for Terry
Speaker 4: to go out there and still be Terry mclauren that
Speaker 4: we known and love. More so, looking at Deebo himself
Speaker 4: as a fantasy asset, I could see him as like
Speaker 4: a low En wide receiver too, maybe a wide receiver three,
Speaker 4: he will need the best off season type of workout
Speaker 4: video for me to be for him to be motivated,
Speaker 4: and conditioning is back on par because he was looking
Speaker 4: kind of thick at that at that Super Bowl with
Speaker 4: that Eagles jersey on. So I don't know if we
Speaker 4: get that explosiveness out of debo again. No, I really
Speaker 4: feel like you said that, you know the time is out, man.
Speaker 4: That's why I think the forty nine ers were okay
Speaker 4: to move on even though his yards after to catch
Speaker 4: per reception, we're up there, you know, eight point three yards.
Speaker 4: It's fine, but it's more so like we want Deebo
Speaker 4: who was exploding for those twelve extra yards, exploding out
Speaker 4: of that backfill as a running back. We haven't seen
Speaker 4: that in a very long time. So I don't know
Speaker 4: if that happens in Cliff Kingsbury system as well, because
Speaker 4: we have yet to see him coexist two wide receivers
Speaker 4: other than a decoy Andy Isabella being a guy that
Speaker 4: takes the attention off of the main guy. So until
Speaker 4: Cliff Kingsbury gets a little bit more creative with two
Speaker 4: wide receivers, that's when you know I'll buy into the
Speaker 4: debo hype train.
Speaker 2: All right, man, look, I get a Debo is not
Speaker 2: where he was. Let's not. Let's not put him with
Speaker 2: Andy Isabella. Let's not. Hey he might be, let's live
Speaker 2: might look at him.
Speaker 4: You look familiar, Man, I know.
Speaker 2: I know he's not the same dude he was two
Speaker 2: three years ago. He I would still take him over
Speaker 2: Andy Isabella any day of the week.
Speaker 3: Kingsbury saw him up close and personal twice a year too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That is true. So right now I'm
Speaker 2: looking at fantasy pros. Deebo is the wide receiver thirty
Speaker 2: seven at this point, I'm trying to see where he
Speaker 2: went in our mock draft a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: But I mean, Floria. You know I've said this plenty
Speaker 2: of times. Deebo is that guy who in San Francisco.
Speaker 2: Aside from the one huge year, he had always better
Speaker 2: in real football than he was in fantasy football because
Speaker 2: he was so volatile. Does it feel like the rest
Speaker 2: of the fantasy world has sort of caught up to that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think everyone, because we had that one crazy season,
Speaker 3: like you said, and like half his production came as
Speaker 3: a running back then, and I gave him so much
Speaker 3: credit that year because it like really felt like he
Speaker 3: was just sacrificing his body on a weekly basis to
Speaker 3: the entire team on offense ran through Deebo Samuel, but
Speaker 3: we really haven't had that since and a lot to
Speaker 3: la Quant's point, like I'm excited for this move, but
Speaker 3: not really for Deebo, but more for what it means
Speaker 3: for the pieces that I was already excited about. Like
Speaker 3: say what you will about Debo, I do think he's
Speaker 3: an upgrade over Noah Brown and Diami Brown, like like
Speaker 3: you now have someone that defenses at least need to respect.
Speaker 3: Plus he's a better yat guy than even Terry McLaurin,
Speaker 3: like any weapon Jaden had last year, So that's another
Speaker 3: new weapon. Where one thing I noticed with Jaden two
Speaker 3: is like people were saying like, at times he held
Speaker 3: the ball a little bit too like look, I think
Speaker 3: he played flawlessly as a rookie, but people were like, yeah,
Speaker 3: he missed some guys in the flat or whatever. I
Speaker 3: think this year, when you have someone like Debo and
Speaker 3: you know, hey, I could just dump this off right
Speaker 3: here and he's gonna take this eight yards, ten yards,
Speaker 3: get me a first or close to it, like that's
Speaker 3: gonna slowly but surely add up for his passing yards.
Speaker 3: But even more so, like you have to worry about
Speaker 3: Jaden running, you have to worry about the backfield combo
Speaker 3: right now Brian Robinson and Austin Eckler, and now you
Speaker 3: have to worry about Debo getting involved as a runner
Speaker 3: or short catch and run. Teams are gonna have to
Speaker 3: load up near the line of scrimmage more, which is
Speaker 3: going to create a lot more opportunities for Terry McLaurin
Speaker 3: to win downfield, I think, which is why when this
Speaker 3: trade happened, I was like I could see people maybe
Speaker 3: dinging Terry, not much, just a little bit being like,
Speaker 3: oh there's more target comp or whatever. But I think
Speaker 3: this is a good thing, and I'm still firmly all
Speaker 3: in on that.
Speaker 2: Jade and Terry stack Jayden Daniels already kind of the
Speaker 2: consensus QB three there's no chance. Yeah, he's not getting
Speaker 2: up to two right, Like three is no, no, no,
Speaker 2: Dia Lamar Jackson, is what I'm asking you.
Speaker 4: Or Josh or Josh Allen or yeah no not Josh
Speaker 4: Josh to me like wait, wait wait, you would take
Speaker 4: him over to Lamar?
Speaker 2: You kind of pause it on Lamar, Let's look like
Speaker 2: you no, no, no, no, no no, don't get this all
Speaker 2: messed up.
Speaker 4: I'm just thinking, like if I wouldn't be as upset
Speaker 4: if the pick right before me was Lamar, Like all right, Jaden,
Speaker 4: you know cool, or if it was Jayden right before me,
Speaker 4: I'll take Lamar like it wouldn't be like such a fuss,
Speaker 4: you know. Like That's how I'm trying to explain it.
Speaker 3: All right, but so wait, so Josh, is your QB wanted?
Speaker 3: That's what I'm taking away from this, Yes, in the
Speaker 3: joy of four wheels face right now, because because I
Speaker 3: want like when we did a rankings, you had Lamar one, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but those are interchangeable to me, man, like whatever
Speaker 4: you want it to look like on paper, like you
Speaker 4: completely agree you're Lamar one.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be like, oh my god, you're crazy,
Speaker 3: like you know, like it is what it is. I'll
Speaker 3: take whichever one goes last.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, like which everyone's still there, that's the one.
Speaker 2: That's the one I'll take. I'd be happy with it,
Speaker 2: I mean, on the flip side, though, obviously no more
Speaker 2: debo In San Francisco, the Niners reportedly are open to
Speaker 2: trading Brandon Ayuk as well. I don't know the the
Speaker 2: very excellent Victoria Zeller. You can find her on Blue Sky.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of great football stuff. I thought her
Speaker 2: tweet about it was the best of the like, you know, like,
Speaker 2: all right, man, either do this or don't like but
Speaker 2: stop making it our problem. You know, like we went
Speaker 2: all through a whole offseason of like Brandon Ayuka might
Speaker 2: get traded in him with facetiming with Jade and Daniels
Speaker 2: and all this kind of stuff, like if you're just
Speaker 2: either do this or don't, but just stop stop involving us.
Speaker 3: I did love the NFL being like Jayden went to
Speaker 3: a forty nine Ers game or camp last summer. It
Speaker 3: was like, well he wasn't there for Debo like he
Speaker 3: was there for Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 2: But okay, let's let's just game this out right. We
Speaker 2: know Deebo's gone. Let's just say they finally move on
Speaker 2: from Brandon Ayuk. I mean, Florida, what does this mean?
Speaker 2: I mean, look, they're all in on trying to re
Speaker 2: sign Brock Purty to a deal. We saw Ricky Pierce
Speaker 2: all at times, we saw Juwan Jennings have some really
Speaker 2: big games. I mean, what does this mean for the Niners.
Speaker 2: I mean it feels like everybody takes a step backwards.
Speaker 2: Though right I'm.
Speaker 3: Worried about Deebo taking a step I'm sorry, party taking
Speaker 3: a step back if both Deebo and I yuker gunn
Speaker 3: because last year with those guys out, like Purdy wasn't
Speaker 3: the same guy that he will, at least fantasy wise
Speaker 3: that he was two years ago. And he had a
Speaker 3: lot of games with less than two passing touchdowns, which
Speaker 3: he was like super consistent with the year prior. So
Speaker 3: I do think it has a big effect on Brock Purdy.
Speaker 3: But I'll say this like Juwan Jennings will get hyped up.
Speaker 3: But Ricky Piersoll is one that I'm really excited for,
Speaker 3: and I don't think I'm the only one on this show,
Speaker 3: but he is, like I think all three of us
Speaker 3: agreed at the draft. Last year was like year one
Speaker 3: is just kind of for him to get acclimated. Year
Speaker 3: two is when Kyle Shanahan is gonna have a lot
Speaker 3: of fun with this guy. He can play in the slot,
Speaker 3: he could play out wide, he could win after the catch,
Speaker 3: he could win downfield. There's really nothing Pearsall can't do
Speaker 3: on a football field. He's also the only one it
Speaker 3: was like point two of his snaps, but he was
Speaker 3: the only other wide receiver other than Deebo Samuel to
Speaker 3: take any stap out of the backfield last year. So
Speaker 3: maybe that's something he can have in his game. And
Speaker 3: let's not forget he was like shot.
Speaker 2: Shot last year.
Speaker 3: Yes, like he's you gotta imagine like he's gonna be
Speaker 3: much better in year two. So I think Juwan Jennings
Speaker 3: might be the one that gets hyped a little bit more,
Speaker 3: but Piersall is really the one I'm excited about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you were saying like he you know,
Speaker 2: it took a rookie year to get acclimated. I was like,
Speaker 2: I was hoping you were gonna mention the part where
Speaker 2: he also got shot. Yeah, because that's there's definitely so
Speaker 2: that's you come back from just a little bit of something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm curious to say I'm with you on Piersall. I
Speaker 2: think he's gonna be the guy that everybody wants in
Speaker 2: this offense, at least wide receiver wise. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: curious to see what what Jawan Jennings price is going
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 4: They're definitely drafting a wide receiver. So that's why I
Speaker 4: think they're open to restart because I think it's going
Speaker 4: to be gold whatever wide receiver land in this draft,
Speaker 4: being that it's deep, you know, quote and unquote. But
Speaker 4: I feel as though anybody that gets into Kyle Shanahan's offense,
Speaker 4: they're going to be able to produce. So if they're
Speaker 4: open for Eyeuk to get out of the way so
Speaker 4: they can open up some cat for Brock, I would
Speaker 4: be on forward.
Speaker 2: Do it.
Speaker 3: Do it because you got some good pieces there.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you would be.
Speaker 4: I'm still not lying.
Speaker 2: I'm that serious as of as of this moment. Jwan Jennings,
Speaker 2: by the way, still wide receiver forty nine. I'm right
Speaker 2: now right, I'm curious to see, like give it a
Speaker 2: week or two and sort of see how things play out.
Speaker 2: Ricky Piersall's wide receiver fifty three, both of those are
Speaker 2: going to go up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if they trade AU, can you please send them
Speaker 3: to the Patriots, Like that's that's my one request.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I thought about you when I saw
Speaker 2: the T Higgins franchise tag. Things I know that you
Speaker 2: were sort of hoping that maybe he goes to New
Speaker 2: England as well. Up by the way, I just see
Speaker 2: some some breaking news no way coming through. I've this
Speaker 2: per Adam schefter. I don't know if I can say
Speaker 2: that out loud. Just did the New York Jets are
Speaker 2: releasing Davante Adams? Oh?
Speaker 3: I mean that was obvious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that was sort of the talk that
Speaker 2: if they couldn't figure out a trade for him, that
Speaker 2: they were going to release him. It appears they could
Speaker 2: not find a trade partner.
Speaker 3: So I love when NFL teams say this, like listen,
Speaker 3: if we can't trade the guy that if we trade
Speaker 3: him for you, you're gonna have to pay him forty million.
Speaker 3: We're just gonna release them and you could sign up
Speaker 3: or whatever you want. Like what is jeez? Oh okay,
Speaker 3: negotiating one O one right?
Speaker 2: Right? So there you, Devontae Adams is gonna be a
Speaker 2: free agent. So another wide receiver name to throw out there.
Speaker 2: We'll talk wide receivers in free agency next week.
Speaker 3: Tom Pellisaro has it too, so we can say that.
Speaker 2: There's Tom peli Saro reporting that DeVante Adams be released.
Speaker 3: Safe man, I know you might get a Starbucks or
Speaker 3: something like that. Starbucks.
Speaker 2: Bro, I'm a coffee being guy. So it's fine. We're
Speaker 2: all good.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, you're safe.
Speaker 2: The other, the other big figure for this past weekend
Speaker 2: and the Rams in Matthew Stafford, have agreed on a
Speaker 2: new contract. Look, I don't know that anybody really truly
Speaker 2: believe that Matthew Stafford was leaving, right, Like, Oh, have
Speaker 2: you been on Twitter? No? Actually I know, I honestly
Speaker 2: actually have not good.
Speaker 4: Man, good Man, because I was screaming in silence of
Speaker 4: just like what are you guys talking about? Like you
Speaker 4: guys are serious, Like you guys are reporting this at
Speaker 4: this this is a real thing. Like no, they would
Speaker 4: never listen, need would never.
Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite things in sports where the
Speaker 3: fans of the team are like, oh, the worst thing
Speaker 3: is gonna happen, and every other fan of another team
Speaker 3: is like, he's gonna end up there. Just make it
Speaker 3: happen already. See, I'm not a delusional Rams fan. I'm
Speaker 3: so realistic.
Speaker 4: Like I came on the same podcast telling you the
Speaker 4: never draft Tiler me in fantasy get rid of camp Makers.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you the truth that Okay, Cooper Cup is
Speaker 4: at his end. We need to move on because this
Speaker 4: draft they have some wide receivers that can plug and
Speaker 4: play and get us back to the big dance.
Speaker 3: Did you hear mcveigh's quotes on Cup where he was like,
Speaker 3: I'm never gonna say ever, he will never see that.
Speaker 4: That is the man of the cultureman and McVeigh we trust, like,
Speaker 4: I'm so serious at this, but this whole Stafford thing
Speaker 4: just blown out in proportion. It's like, I want to
Speaker 4: get paid what I deserve. Okay, we get that, we
Speaker 4: don't have money. Can you wait until we move things around?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: And no, but I'm gonna go see the marks and
Speaker 4: he gives me. But there was nowhere he was going
Speaker 4: to go nowhere.
Speaker 2: There's really there really was nowhere legitimately that he could
Speaker 2: have gone where he was in the Swiss successful or
Speaker 2: he could have been as successful as he would be
Speaker 2: with the Angry You know, I do think you know,
Speaker 2: ninety percent of the population football population was like, he's
Speaker 2: going to be in LA next year and so here
Speaker 2: it is. That's done. So look understanding what Matthew Stafford
Speaker 2: brings to the football field and to the actual team
Speaker 2: versus what he brings in fantasy. I'll let Lakwan, you know,
Speaker 2: cool off a little bit before I ask him anything.
Speaker 2: So Florio, is Matthew Stafford still a top fifteen fantasy quarterback?
Speaker 3: I think he'll finish top fifteen. I'm not sure he
Speaker 3: gets drafted as top fifteen because you know, as fantasy
Speaker 3: players or suckers for upsides, so like he could easily
Speaker 3: finish over like my boy Drake may Or. I know,
Speaker 3: like Lakwan, you love bon Nicks, and we all like Caleb,
Speaker 3: like these young guys. Even Anthony Richardson right now is
Speaker 3: ranked ahead of him on Fantasy Pros. But that's chasing
Speaker 3: upside to me where I think, if you want Matthew Stafford,
Speaker 3: you should pair him with one of those other upside quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: Because Stafford, as great as he is, he doesn't bring
Speaker 3: that that hot, super high ceiling on a weekly basis.
Speaker 3: What he is more of is a very steady floor.
Speaker 3: So you know what you're gonna get out of him,
Speaker 3: you don't really have to worry. So you can kind
Speaker 3: of set that with someone like a may or a Williams,
Speaker 3: or if you want to do the Richardson thing again,
Speaker 3: pick your favorite upside quarterback. Then you kind of cover
Speaker 3: your bases because you have someone that if they hit,
Speaker 3: they'll become your weekly starter and like maybe have the
Speaker 3: upside to be top ten if not higher, and if
Speaker 3: all else fails, you have a very safe and reliable
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford that is gonna put up. Look, you don't
Speaker 3: want to start on the first month of the season.
Speaker 3: Lakwan could kind of speak about this little starts they've
Speaker 3: been having, but after that, you're gonna have a rock
Speaker 3: solid quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean I think that's I think that's
Speaker 2: that's pretty fair there. So Lakwan does this cement Puka
Speaker 2: is the one dot one for you?
Speaker 4: We are back, baby, Yes it does.
Speaker 3: It's in stone.
Speaker 4: I'm starting to see others fall along, you know, understanding
Speaker 4: like he could be a triple Crown winner this year. Man,
Speaker 4: I just agree.
Speaker 3: Wait wait, others have him won.
Speaker 4: Others are starting to creep on the fantasy streets of
Speaker 4: saying that they got him at one, which is fine,
Speaker 4: and I feel as though now there's more reality that
Speaker 4: this triple crown is on.
Speaker 3: The table for as long as he stays healthy.
Speaker 4: We're looking at Pooka that could beat Man coverage. He
Speaker 4: could be zone coverage. He is hard to bring down
Speaker 4: the Yack monster. You have an elite IQ and a quarterback,
Speaker 4: a Hall of Famer, one of the best number one
Speaker 4: picks in the last fifteen years. You're looking at Matthew
Speaker 4: Stafford and Puku nakub being set up on a platter
Speaker 4: of like, oh, this is going to be fantasy gold.
Speaker 4: So I'm going to be stomping for the rest of
Speaker 4: this draft season, rest of the summer that Pookah's one
Speaker 4: oh one, Like it's just what it is, what it is.
Speaker 2: I would like to see them get a little bit
Speaker 2: of help for Pooka. I mean because at least you know,
Speaker 2: when when Cooper Cup had his triple crown season, you
Speaker 2: know there were options, there were other options out there
Speaker 2: for Stafford to throw the football to. I mean, look
Speaker 2: it just I did you see somebody to take some
Speaker 2: attention off, right? I mean, they have Robert I know
Speaker 2: it wasn't the best Robert Woods season the year he
Speaker 2: did that because he was hurt. But they also brought
Speaker 2: in Odell you know, midway through that season.
Speaker 3: Which looked good.
Speaker 4: I just wish we had the whole collective of Odell.
Speaker 2: Cup Odell was actually starting to come to life. Unfortunately
Speaker 2: he got hurt in the Super Bowl, which was frustrated.
Speaker 2: He was going to be the MVP of that game
Speaker 2: the way that game was going. The way the game
Speaker 2: was going, he absolutely would have been so like I
Speaker 2: tell all, I would just like to see somebody else
Speaker 2: come in there, just to take some pressure off. Like
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that DeMarcus Robinson, as much as your
Speaker 2: son seems to think he and I are the same person,
Speaker 2: I just don't think he's going to be that guy
Speaker 2: next year. So that's something cleared that up. All Right,
Speaker 2: very good, very good, last little bit of news here
Speaker 2: we can. We don't have to spend a lot of
Speaker 2: time on this, but Raheem Morris says he wants to
Speaker 2: see quote, the best version of Kyle Pitts in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five.
Speaker 4: I laugh when I saw this.
Speaker 2: Yay, ornay, Are y'all back in on Kyle Pitts? No,
Speaker 2: not at all, Like we just lost over for a second,
Speaker 2: like he just did he just rape? Did he just
Speaker 2: rage quit the podcast like all of a sudden, like
Speaker 2: his camera went off and he just went away, Like
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened.
Speaker 3: He did this.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is the great. I hope he
Speaker 2: was a technical I hope it was not a technical glitch.
Speaker 2: And he really just rage quit the podcast just because
Speaker 2: of the but you're you were you were saying, you're
Speaker 2: not You're not.
Speaker 4: Going back in on no no, no man. I saw
Speaker 4: this and I kind of laughed because I'm like, wow,
Speaker 4: this seems like the same report that we saw.
Speaker 3: Oh he's back.
Speaker 2: Did you? Did you rage quit the podcast? After that?
Speaker 3: I think my wires sensed the rage in me. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna disconnect because I'm like, welcome to the club, Rahie Morris.
Speaker 3: We've all wanted for four years now.
Speaker 4: Yes, Oh my gosh, So.
Speaker 2: Are you are you officially? I mean I know last
Speaker 2: year you you let go of the rope? Are you?
Speaker 2: Are you still out or is it like an ADP thing,
Speaker 2: like where are you right now?
Speaker 3: On this? So I expected to be out, Like I
Speaker 3: went on Fantasy Live last year and was like, look
Speaker 3: I every at the end of each season, I've been like,
Speaker 3: I'm not quitting Kyle Pitts. But this year was very different.
Speaker 3: But he's He's ranking of Fantasy Pros and now was
Speaker 3: tight ended. Sixteen sixteen I've been telling you, I'm kind
Speaker 3: of at the point where if I don't get one
Speaker 3: of the top tight ends, I'm just gonna punt he
Speaker 3: is a perfect position, grab him in another upside tight
Speaker 3: end or whatever, and hope one hits. Like I'm gonna
Speaker 3: get sucked back in at this cost, I know.
Speaker 2: I mean, my thf was like, yeah, no, I can't
Speaker 2: do this for Heemorris, I can't do it, and like
Speaker 2: I just looked at like the ADP. I'm like, I.
Speaker 3: Feel like there's gonna top ten.
Speaker 2: I'm out, Yeah, height in sixteen.
Speaker 3: Let's go behind Hunter Henry right now.
Speaker 4: Look, I feel like Kyle Pitts is like that one
Speaker 4: show that started off with a bang, like it's just
Speaker 4: so good and you're hooked, and then the second season
Speaker 4: it was like disappointing, but you're like, eh, whatever, and
Speaker 4: season three buys you back in, like this is you,
Speaker 4: this is where you're at. Season three, it buys you
Speaker 4: back in because you're chasing at I got the perfect
Speaker 4: show for you. You're chasing season one hype and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm so bought back in and then it gets weirder
Speaker 4: and oh, I know what.
Speaker 3: You're gonna say, I know what you're gonna say.
Speaker 2: This is a Jersey Shore reference that we're making. We
Speaker 2: doing another Jersey Shore thing right now? Is that what's
Speaker 2: happening Jersey Shure?
Speaker 4: But another show could be compared to it, like this
Speaker 4: show you on Netflix because I just oh, okay, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I like you, but they're advertising for season five.
Speaker 3: I am not buying in.
Speaker 4: This is Kyle Pitts. I am not buying into season
Speaker 4: five to U show like it's happened.
Speaker 3: I think all Netflix shows are like Kyle Pitts because
Speaker 3: they go so hard season one that season two they're like,
Speaker 3: uh what and like it never lives up to the
Speaker 3: hype man.
Speaker 4: Well, yes, you could put Jersey Shore into that scenario.
Speaker 2: We just called Kyle Pits a Netflix show. All right,
Speaker 2: all right, I feel like maybe we'll argue about Kyle.
Speaker 2: I will say argue, but we may discuss Kyle Pits
Speaker 2: again at some point this offseason as well. There you go,
Speaker 2: long opening segment. That's why, And I took stories out
Speaker 2: of here because knew this was going to go a
Speaker 2: little bit. We'll take a break, we will dive into
Speaker 2: some free agency stuff. We'll talk some quarterbacks, and tight ends.
Speaker 2: I also have a little bit of a combine wrap
Speaker 2: up at the end of the show. Stick around for
Speaker 2: more the NFL Fantasy Football Pod. We are a little
Speaker 2: bit more than a week away from the official start
Speaker 2: of the new league year that hits on March twelfth,
Speaker 2: so a little bit of a free agency preview. Last
Speaker 2: week on the show. We talked about some teams individually,
Speaker 2: teams that had money to spend, teams that didn't, Teams
Speaker 2: we would like to see be aggressive. But I felt
Speaker 2: like now we should just kind of go position by
Speaker 2: position with qbs and tight ends together, because you know,
Speaker 2: not either one of them is super super deep. So
Speaker 2: let's start at quarterbacks though, because that's maybe the most
Speaker 2: intriguing one. Best team fits four is sort of my
Speaker 2: question here, And let's just start with Sam Darnald because
Speaker 2: the Vikings say they are not really interested in franchise
Speaker 2: tagging him, but they do seem interested in maybe bringing
Speaker 2: him back. So Lakwan, I'll start with you best fit.
Speaker 2: Is it staying in Minnesota? Is it maybe going somewhere
Speaker 2: else for Sam Donald?
Speaker 4: I think everybody wants him back in Minnesota, but honestly,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't mind seeing him with the Raiders, and I
Speaker 4: feel like, you know, the Raiders could be a nice
Speaker 4: fit for him, being that he won't have to do
Speaker 4: much and I think more so he credits a lot
Speaker 4: of his you know, QB play being improved with Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 4: you know, and Rock Purdy and stuff, and then obviously
Speaker 4: getting with Kevin O'Connell, he was able to elevate that.
Speaker 4: I think he goes to the Raiders with Pete Carroll,
Speaker 4: where you're gonna most likely be in a run first offense.
Speaker 4: You won't have to be that superhero you know quarterback
Speaker 4: that he was last season and kind of fell on
Speaker 4: his face at the end. But I just feel so
Speaker 4: the Raiders, you have a semi mobile guy because Darnald
Speaker 4: can get out of that pocket and move as well.
Speaker 4: So I think if they miss on, you know, any
Speaker 4: other quarterback that's in free agency, I think Sam Darnald
Speaker 4: could make a place there and you know, be good
Speaker 4: for the Raiders.
Speaker 2: You're you agree, disagree, Florida, you had another option.
Speaker 3: Perhaps I think the best one for him would be
Speaker 3: the Vikings, but that's starting to feel unrealistic. So full circle.
Speaker 3: J E ts jets Wow, because I have a different quarterback.
Speaker 3: I want to see it in Vegas. So if that happens,
Speaker 3: since Sam Donald's got to go somewhere else and the
Speaker 3: Jets just feel.
Speaker 2: Like the spot, man, I think it's the Jets. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you look if he's still interested in being a starter,
Speaker 2: I think it's the Jets. Or I can see him
Speaker 2: going to the Giants and sort of maybe pairing up
Speaker 2: with myleague neighbors and seeing what they can do there.
Speaker 2: I just don't think he's going to start in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: It sounds like the Vikings are. I'm not gonna say
Speaker 2: all in on JJ McCarthy, but they really do want
Speaker 2: to see what they have with McCarthy. And I think
Speaker 2: even if Donald comes back, I think there will be
Speaker 2: a competition, but I think it's gonna be one that
Speaker 2: sort of weighted toward JJ McCarthy getting the starting job.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I was gonna say the Giants. I
Speaker 2: think that's an interesting landing spot for him a little bit.
Speaker 2: You know, I know, Flie, how you feel about Brian Babole.
Speaker 2: Maybe he can figure out how to get something out
Speaker 2: of Donald or so or sort of. I guess continue
Speaker 2: building upon what we saw last year with Sam Donald. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's interesting. Jets would be be
Speaker 2: funny just just for the pure comedy aspect of it.
Speaker 2: For sure. I'm assuming the guy you're talking about going
Speaker 2: to Las Vegas, Michael f Florio, is Justin Fields, correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just feels to me and I have tweets
Speaker 3: going back to this time last year where I'm like,
Speaker 3: Justin Field just feels born to be a raider, Like
Speaker 3: I just always have had that feeling. I don't know
Speaker 3: why he would look really good in the black and silver,
Speaker 3: but I think with Pete Carroll and everything they want,
Speaker 3: like Lakwan was saying, a run first system like Justin
Speaker 3: Fields helps you with that because he is a run
Speaker 3: first system, like he himself could give you a thousand
Speaker 3: rushing yards. We've already seen that at the NFL level,
Speaker 3: and we've seen that he can help the running back
Speaker 3: in the rushing attack as well. And we've also seen
Speaker 3: that he can get like he could get the ball
Speaker 3: to a tight end, which is what your number one
Speaker 3: priority is as a passer in Vegas. So I've always
Speaker 3: been of the mindset that fantasy football is just way
Speaker 3: more fun when Justin Fields is a starter and someone
Speaker 3: that you could play and so I really hope he
Speaker 3: ends up being a starter again. And to me, I
Speaker 3: just feel like Vegas is his best shot.
Speaker 2: So I will throw this little wrinkle at you, Lakwan then,
Speaker 2: because stories kind of floating out there suggests that the
Speaker 2: Steelers want Justin Fields to be their starter next year.
Speaker 2: But you know, Russell Wilson is still at least a presence.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's also going to be a free agent
Speaker 2: this offseason. I'm one or the other a better fit
Speaker 2: for the Steelers or is there an option Cee in there?
Speaker 2: Maybe for Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: There could be an option Cee and that option see
Speaker 4: could be neither one of these guys, because I think
Speaker 4: they saw what they got with both of them and
Speaker 4: it wasn't exactly taking them over that hump. I mean,
Speaker 4: you have a great defense, but you still have Russell
Speaker 4: Wilson and Justin Fields that are just giving you kind
Speaker 4: of mid tier quarterback play. I think they need to
Speaker 4: hit it out of the park, you know, in this draft,
Speaker 4: or try to make some moves in free agency to
Speaker 4: get a guy that can get in there and get
Speaker 4: things going, and maybe Aaron Rodgers. And I really feel
Speaker 4: as tho that that's their best bet to try to
Speaker 4: get over that home. I'm being honest. I mean, if
Speaker 4: you want the circus, bring the Circus to the circus,
Speaker 4: George Pickens, Aaron Rodgers, sign me up. I need it
Speaker 4: all like, I'll do all that. But I think Russell Wilson,
Speaker 4: if we're going to touch on his best fit, I
Speaker 4: think the Vikings could be interesting. I think the Vikings
Speaker 4: because he'll come in cheap, he'll be motivated, and that
Speaker 4: moonball to Justin Jefferson sounds like butter to me, like
Speaker 4: every Sunday. So I think they will be, you know,
Speaker 4: at least somewhat interested into a cheaper option than Sam Donald.
Speaker 4: With a franchise tag that's forty million, then it's like whoa, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's kind of pricey for them to be going after
Speaker 4: Sam Donald for and not get a contract done. So
Speaker 4: I think Russell Wilson in Minnesota looks good too.
Speaker 2: I would say this. You mentioned bringing Aaron Rodgers to Pittsburgh,
Speaker 2: Bring the Circus. If there's one franchise that is not
Speaker 2: about the circus, it is probably the Pittsburgh Steelers. They
Speaker 2: just historically or not about that life.
Speaker 3: I could see Mike Tomlin being like I could could
Speaker 3: I could control this circus though, you know what meanwhere
Speaker 3: it's like it never works out for those people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, I just it just feels like, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know if Mike Tom Mike
Speaker 2: Tom is already on the hot seat, like he is
Speaker 2: perpetually on the hot seat.
Speaker 3: Which makes no sense. I mean, he's the only reason
Speaker 3: your team is good.
Speaker 2: I just, you know, I just say to Steeler fans,
Speaker 2: just sort of be careful what you wish for, you know.
Speaker 2: And I get it. I know the perception is that
Speaker 2: they only care about not having a losing record and
Speaker 2: this and that. I just I just think if you're
Speaker 2: a Steelers fans, just be careful what you wish for,
Speaker 2: because there's no guarantee you find someone who is Tomlin's
Speaker 2: equal or better.
Speaker 4: I could see if they were in like a Jeff
Speaker 4: Fisher situation where it's just made mid mid, mid mid,
Speaker 4: nothing else, fire defense, mide mid mid. You're not in
Speaker 4: that boat. Like you have a coach that can motivate
Speaker 4: his players and listen to him when he speaks and
Speaker 4: go out there and execute on the field. That's very
Speaker 4: hard to come by for as many years he has
Speaker 4: done this with as many ages and young groups that
Speaker 4: come through there, like he's able to contain the Tasmanian
Speaker 4: devil and George Pickens, you put anybody else in that
Speaker 4: head coach seat, George Pickens is fighting on the sideline,
Speaker 4: He's fighting it in the stadium, in the stands, like
Speaker 4: I guarantee it.
Speaker 3: He took Kenny Pickett, Mason Rudolph led team to the playoffs,
Speaker 3: Like yeah, right, that alone coach of the Year. My
Speaker 3: idea with Russ was the Colts.
Speaker 2: That what I was gonna say Indianapolis.
Speaker 3: Why though, just because I was thinking that they want
Speaker 3: someone to cover the basis for Anthony Richardson. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: he is a vet who who could teach Richardson.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't love it because he could potentially steal the gig,
Speaker 3: But I think for real life purposes they could see
Speaker 3: value there that would.
Speaker 4: Definitely hurt Anthony Richardson to the though. You bring in
Speaker 4: somebody like Russell Wilson, like I think he's coming in
Speaker 4: day one and probably steal the job.
Speaker 3: He definitely could, which I would not want. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: loved his for fantasy at all, but I was just thinking,
Speaker 3: like real life purposes and for some reason, the Colts
Speaker 3: was a team. I just was like, I think it
Speaker 3: makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I do. I think I think Russ for
Speaker 2: the for Indie makes it. If they really are serious
Speaker 2: about having this quarterback competition, if they really are serious
Speaker 2: about trying to push Anthony Richardson, I think Russ is
Speaker 2: the guy. I think in terms of fantasy, I mean,
Speaker 2: Russ's value is probably done, and I don't I don't
Speaker 2: really know how much he would elevate guy. I mean
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe we get more out of Michael
Speaker 2: Pittman this year if that were to happen.
Speaker 3: We need that desperate Josh downs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so maybe that maybe that helps a
Speaker 2: little bit. I think Russ himself, though, is probably is
Speaker 2: probably a rap.
Speaker 4: Rush to Alec Pierce. Sounds good too, down.
Speaker 3: Deep that moon Ball would play. I would not mind that.
Speaker 2: To Alec Pierce. Maybe not the worst thing. We'll send it,
Speaker 2: all right, So we already had Lakwan Sydney, Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 2: to Pittsburgh. Is there somewhere you would like to ship
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers Florid retirement home. I really do think Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: makes the most sense if he's gonna keep playing, and
Speaker 2: I do think he wants to keep playing, But I
Speaker 2: don't know. I think though that end of the season
Speaker 2: stretch he had it was it's so Aaron Rodgers, because
Speaker 2: you could just be like, well, I was coming back
Speaker 2: from an achilles. That takes time, even though he told
Speaker 2: us he was gonna have the quickest recovery in medical history.
Speaker 3: But yeah, like, I think he's gonna look at those
Speaker 3: end of season games and be like, Davonte, come join
Speaker 3: me in Pittsburgh or somewhere. But he'll find a place
Speaker 3: to play. But Pittsburgh seems like one that makes a
Speaker 3: lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I don't know anywhere. I guess Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: I just there are a lot of places that I
Speaker 2: could see him going where they're just like, yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: roll out the red carpet, like you're gonna be our starter.
Speaker 2: He canna be a QB one Like I just at
Speaker 2: this point he's forty one one.
Speaker 3: Send him to Cleveland.
Speaker 2: I mean sure, I don't know that that helps the
Speaker 2: situation there. I mean, they already have a whole lot
Speaker 2: of issues going on there, and like adding him to
Speaker 2: the mix just doesn't seem great for pure comedy purposes.
Speaker 2: The Giants would be interesting. You just stay right there
Speaker 2: in Jersey, stay right there, wouldn't have to move.
Speaker 3: Tell me the Beatles backup?
Speaker 2: That was a laser beam. Wow. Yeah, I just I
Speaker 2: don't see any easy answers with Aaron Rodgers unless he
Speaker 2: is somehow willing to sort of humble himself and allow
Speaker 2: himself to you know, compete you know who you're talking about,
Speaker 2: right to at least mentor I look, I'm just saying
Speaker 2: the mentor somebody compete, whatever it is. That's the only
Speaker 2: way I really see a good fit for him, and
Speaker 2: I just don't know that it happens.
Speaker 4: So just go to Minnesota, man, Just just follow the path.
Speaker 2: Just follow the farv path.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if he signs in Minnesota, then Vikings fans should
Speaker 3: start printing Jordan love jerseys today.
Speaker 2: Oh one other name I threw on here just for laughs,
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones. Is there a spot? Oh are you serious?
Speaker 3: I would take him on the bills in at heartbeat.
Speaker 2: You know what he could be tu Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: It makes total sense for him because, like we saw
Speaker 3: Mitch Trubisky go and back up Allen for a year
Speaker 3: and then get paid because people would be like, maybe
Speaker 3: he learned through os Moses how to play like Josh Allen,
Speaker 3: but he would say what you will about Daniel Jones,
Speaker 3: I do think as a backup, he is one of
Speaker 3: the better backups.
Speaker 2: Yes, no, i'd agree with that. I agree with that.
Speaker 2: I do think you because you said Mitch Trubisky and
Speaker 2: that was the name that popped into my head because
Speaker 2: he spent a year on the bench. He threw eight
Speaker 2: whole past and afterwards, like all these teams are like
Speaker 2: I could fix them, like I like what happened, like
Speaker 2: nothing happened, and somehow he was one of the most
Speaker 2: coveted free agents out there when when he hit the market.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think. I don't think Daniel Jones
Speaker 2: in Buffalo as a backup would be the worst idea,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, obviously, if you're a Bills fan,
Speaker 2: you don't want anything to happen to Josh Allen. But
Speaker 2: if something were to happen, you know, I think Jones
Speaker 2: can come in as a nice substitute. Uh. You know,
Speaker 2: he still has that mobility, obviously, doesn't maybe have quite
Speaker 2: the arm strength that that Allen does, but you know,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think you have to make wholesale
Speaker 2: changes to your offense either.
Speaker 3: Minnesota makes a lot of sense to.
Speaker 4: Bring in La come to the Rams. I mean, mcveig
Speaker 4: has always wanted a mobile quarterback. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 4: he's always had that backup that had some type of
Speaker 4: legs and we saw him run a was a QB
Speaker 4: option or run option for Stafford in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: They do.
Speaker 4: Don't ever do that again with Stafford, ever do that again.
Speaker 4: Just wait until we get a back up.
Speaker 3: But you guys have a great backup, uh in Jimmy G.
Speaker 2: You will have Jimmy Garoppolo And you don't like it.
Speaker 4: You know, what is he still doing in the building?
Speaker 3: Get him out of here?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: Man, he was once the all MG had to hang
Speaker 3: his hopes and dreams on.
Speaker 2: Bro. Sorry, I'm I'm just I'm just I'm just remembering
Speaker 2: him over overthrowing Emmanuel Sanders in that Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: The fact that you guys made it with Jimmy G.
Speaker 3: I don't think that team gets enough credit.
Speaker 2: Throwing a pass with his eyes closed in like the
Speaker 2: biggest game of the year. That's great.
Speaker 4: He seems like a guy that fights with his eyes closed.
Speaker 4: If he's going to.
Speaker 3: Just a button masher when he plays video games.
Speaker 2: Man, button masher, button mashing. All right, listen to some
Speaker 2: tight ends. I just I put some names here, and
Speaker 2: you guys can tell me which of these guys, if any,
Speaker 2: is the most intriguing to you, and you might want
Speaker 2: to see them go Tyler Conklin, Juwan Johnson, Gerald Everett,
Speaker 2: zach Ertz might get sicky. There's a long list of
Speaker 2: tight ends. These were the ones that I thought were
Speaker 2: the most relevant. I mean, Florida. Any of these names
Speaker 2: jump out to you.
Speaker 3: No, this was a long outside of zach Ertz, who
Speaker 3: actually had a very good career. But it's just getting
Speaker 3: old now. This is a long list of tight ends
Speaker 3: that I have been suckered into in the past, like
Speaker 3: this guy's gonna get an opportunity now watch out, and
Speaker 3: and it never came to fruition. The one I guess
Speaker 3: I could get a little excited for is Juwan Johnson
Speaker 3: because if he could get freed of you know, the
Speaker 3: Saints tight end rotation and having to play with like
Speaker 3: Derek Carr and those quarterbacks that were backing him up. Maybe,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I don't. I'm not gonna be pounding the
Speaker 3: table or drafting any of these guys like they're more
Speaker 3: like maybe waiver wire.
Speaker 2: Guys or something like that. Yeah, I'm with I think
Speaker 2: I have drafted or rostered every single one of these guys.
Speaker 4: At some point, you're just missing Smith for me, I
Speaker 4: mean that I.
Speaker 2: Saw everyone he is on the list of free agents,
Speaker 2: but I just I had to long ago retire the
Speaker 2: letter swerve hashtag. I just you know, at some point
Speaker 2: you just realize it's not gonna happen, so you just
Speaker 2: have to sort of move on from it. This sucks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the the tide end position, the free agent tied in position,
Speaker 2: is a bunch of guys who I think are sort
Speaker 2: of vying for backup status wherever they go to your
Speaker 2: point floor and maybe Earth's has still had something left.
Speaker 2: I'm starting to believe that this might be Ben Sinnett's
Speaker 2: year to take a step forward. Maybe in Washington passed
Speaker 2: the torch. That's the torch, so somebody's been Senate in Washington.
Speaker 2: The rest of these guys sort of fighting for space.
Speaker 3: If you thought IRV Smith was out of the NFL,
Speaker 3: you you're pretty much right, because he had zero targets
Speaker 3: last year. That geez. He played five games apparently one start,
Speaker 3: zero targets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I really, it just never it never
Speaker 2: really happened for him. You know, he was always stuck
Speaker 2: behind somebody or he couldn't stay healthy. It just I
Speaker 2: really thought it was going to happen, and it just
Speaker 2: it never happened. So it's unfortunate. Unfortunate for sure for Smith.
Speaker 2: The combine happened this past weekend in Indianapolis, and there
Speaker 2: were things that happened. There were some guys who stock
Speaker 2: went up, there's some guys who stock went down. We
Speaker 2: will take a quick look at it. When do we
Speaker 2: come back here in the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So
Speaker 2: the scouting combine is over for another year. I guess
Speaker 2: we will see Indianapolis at least combine wise, come next
Speaker 2: to February. Chad Reuter, who does a lot of great
Speaker 2: work for NFL dot Com, he wrote a stock up
Speaker 2: stock down piece. He wrote several of them, but specifically
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the one that involves quarterbacks, running backs,
Speaker 2: and wide receivers. Those are the guys who pretty much
Speaker 2: took part on the third day of workouts at the combine,
Speaker 2: a couple of names of note. Texas quarterback Quinn Ewers,
Speaker 2: Texas wide receiver Matthew Golden, and Ohio State running back
Speaker 2: Quinn Shawn Jenkins all saw their stock go up. Per
Speaker 2: Chad Reuter stock down, it was Ohio State's quarterback Will
Speaker 2: Howard and Iowa running back Caleb Johnson. I don't think
Speaker 2: any of these names we mentioned last week when we
Speaker 2: talked about guys we were interested in. By Lakwan, anybody
Speaker 2: that you saw or at least read about this weekend
Speaker 2: that has you changing your mind, either somebody you're more
Speaker 2: in on or maybe you're more out on, or at
Speaker 2: least you want to take another look at a couple
Speaker 2: of players.
Speaker 4: Stock up, stock down, stock down was definitely Caleb Johnson.
Speaker 4: For me, like before the Combine a little couple of
Speaker 4: weeks ago, I kind of tweeted, I was like, man,
Speaker 4: he's gonna need like a very good offensive line and
Speaker 4: a good scheme for him to actually be Fantasy relevant
Speaker 4: and produced, because he did nothing at the combine that
Speaker 4: made him stand out. And I think that's kind of
Speaker 4: one of the issues. He's like a straight line runner.
Speaker 4: It's gonna need like a Kyle Shanahan outside zone type
Speaker 4: of scheme for him to actually produce to be fantasy relevant.
Speaker 4: But the odds of that happening now, it's like he's
Speaker 4: going to fall into that day two, Day three type
Speaker 4: of ordeal. Like he's not even in my top five
Speaker 4: running backs anymore after this combine performs. It maybe overreacting,
Speaker 4: but it just tells a little bit more of the
Speaker 4: story of what I saw, you know, before the combine happened,
Speaker 4: Like he has no wiggle to his game, Like he's
Speaker 4: not like one of those like elusive running backs that
Speaker 4: we saw mostly out of this draft class, guys that
Speaker 4: we didn't even really like touch on our speaker about
Speaker 4: or know about that just shot up the ranks with
Speaker 4: their forty time and their you know, agility and able
Speaker 4: to make their vertical jumps a lot higher closer to
Speaker 4: forty inches. It's like Talo Johnson did nothing that was
Speaker 4: like exciting to me.
Speaker 2: What if I told you the Niners were going to
Speaker 2: draft him And I don't know this for fact, don't
Speaker 2: but I'm in.
Speaker 3: I'm in.
Speaker 2: But Elijah Mitchell and Jordan Mason are both free agents.
Speaker 2: I would be shocked if both of those guys come back.
Speaker 2: You know, I know Isaac Garrindo is still there, but
Speaker 2: you know one we always want forty nine or running backs.
Speaker 2: The recent history of forty nine or running backs suggests
Speaker 2: that if you are upright and breathing, you're gonna get
Speaker 2: some snaps at some point, just because they tend to
Speaker 2: go through a lot of guys.
Speaker 4: So your conditioning coach must hate them.
Speaker 3: I mean, you got to make me earn his paycheck.
Speaker 2: I'm just sort of gaming this out right now, and
Speaker 2: it's certainly not impossible to think that the Niners could
Speaker 2: spend you know, maybe an early Day three pick, depending
Speaker 2: on how this draft goes on.
Speaker 4: Caleb Johnson like, if you want to go to sleep
Speaker 4: or put your child to sleep, just throw on his highlights, man,
Speaker 4: and not saying he's got to be a good running back.
Speaker 4: There's nothing exciting about it. There's no juke move, like
Speaker 4: a stiff farm here and there. And Iowa was a
Speaker 4: line was one of the best. So it's like he
Speaker 4: was a spoiled running back. He goes in that spot
Speaker 4: running back category that I have, Like there's nothing there
Speaker 4: that I saw that was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 4: need him on my team. Like he goes into forty
Speaker 4: nine ers okay, top five.
Speaker 2: Which is sort of it's sort of wild just because
Speaker 2: Iowa discovered offense this past year. I mean, they had
Speaker 2: been offensively challenged for a couple of years, but this
Speaker 2: past year they sort of rediscovered, you know, forward progress
Speaker 2: with the football. So that sort of says something that
Speaker 2: Caleb Caleb Johnson was sort of your cure for insomnia Floria.
Speaker 2: Before the show, we were talking about Isaiah Bond. You
Speaker 2: said you had thoughts. I'm curious your thoughts.
Speaker 3: I feel bad for him, man, cause like he what
Speaker 3: do you run like a four to four right like
Speaker 3: for four three nine? Like it was fast, Like he's
Speaker 3: he's a fast dude. But he went out and said
Speaker 3: I'm gonna break the record, And now all we're talking
Speaker 3: about is how how he didn't and how like how
Speaker 3: silly that looks and stuff, and it's like, dude, just
Speaker 3: under promise, over deliver. That's what If he came out
Speaker 3: and said I'm worried about running a four to six
Speaker 3: and then he runs this exact score, We're like, dude,
Speaker 3: he's blazing, He's shooting up draft boards all this stuff.
Speaker 3: But I thought it was interesting, so I ended up
Speaker 3: I heard an interview with the Iowa state receiver Jalen Noel,
Speaker 3: who was the one I was going to say, I
Speaker 3: think really opened eyes a bit this weekend. He tested well.
Speaker 3: I went and I watched his some of his tape
Speaker 3: after the combine, and I really like what I saw
Speaker 3: reminds me a little bit of Keyon Coleman, not into
Speaker 3: how they played, but in the sense of like maybe
Speaker 3: not the best separator, but really good hands, really good
Speaker 3: ball skill, and really good after the catch capabilities. But
Speaker 3: he was talking about how he tested because they all
Speaker 3: trained for this these tests. Yea, how he was during
Speaker 3: his training was testing better than he did at the
Speaker 3: combine And he was like, yeah, it was definitely. The
Speaker 3: turf was a little slick, like numerous dudes had to
Speaker 3: try on different cleats. Like he was like, I'm not
Speaker 3: making any excuses, but he kind of without saying it
Speaker 3: was like I expect to test better at my pro day.
Speaker 3: So he's one that I opened my eyes. But it
Speaker 3: also for someone like Bond makes me be like, let's
Speaker 3: see what he runs at his pro day and then judge,
Speaker 3: because that maybe there is something to this. Turf was
Speaker 3: just a little slick. I know, they put in new
Speaker 3: pellets or something like that, and the people were saying
Speaker 3: it was just a little slipperier than normal.
Speaker 2: Hmm. Interesting, Yeah, I mean it would have been. It
Speaker 2: would have been interesting had Bond sort of lived up
Speaker 2: to it, because then we would have had Texas receivers
Speaker 2: go back to back with the top times in the
Speaker 2: forty you know, with it having been Xavier Worthy last year.
Speaker 2: Obviously that was not the case.
Speaker 3: Bond wasn't even the fastest Texas receiver.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: Matthew Golden, who was already uh you know, a very
Speaker 2: popular name, and I think, you know, he just really
Speaker 2: sort of solidified that. Yeah, he's you.
Speaker 3: Think he's a top three receiver because I'm it's sort of.
Speaker 2: Looked that way. I think so in this draft, yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: in this draft, not not overall, not for me the way.
Speaker 2: Who are your top three then?
Speaker 4: So obviously t Mac, Jayden Higgins, Mecca and then Matthew
Speaker 4: Golden at four.
Speaker 2: Okay, where are you least?
Speaker 4: Luther Burden just here he is probably five or six.
Speaker 4: And I say that because we've seen too many NFL
Speaker 4: teams of his type. His strengths fail him, you know,
Speaker 4: fail they failed that type of wide receiver. So it's
Speaker 4: like landing spots, Like before I start going on campaigns
Speaker 4: and fade this guy fate, I need to see landing spots,
Speaker 4: Like that's how I'm gonna play it this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's kind of where I am most years.
Speaker 2: I admit, like I was very much last year. Like
Speaker 2: I don't care where Marvin Harrison Junior goes, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be great.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's like t MAC. I think is
Speaker 3: all is like the consensus one, but at best I
Speaker 3: think he was fourth if he was in last season's class.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Fair, I heard that's right, fair.
Speaker 4: Like he gets the one just based on just It's
Speaker 4: like this class isn't strengths of like wide receiver ones
Speaker 4: per se, Like I think this class is a bunch
Speaker 4: of wide receiver twos staring up, posturing to be a
Speaker 4: wide receiver one with some development or situational volume.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were spoiled bat year for the last last
Speaker 2: several years. I mean, we we're at a point where
Speaker 2: wide receivers were not hesitant, you know, the guys at
Speaker 2: the top of the class to spend high fantasy draft
Speaker 2: picks on these guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Brian Thomas Junior, perfect example, sheesh right.
Speaker 2: I mean these these guys are coming in more ready,
Speaker 2: more polished, more ready to go for the NFL right away.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at it wasn't that long ago when
Speaker 2: we talked about the third year breakout for wide receivers,
Speaker 2: and now you know, we're all we're that mean with
Speaker 2: the guy to stick poking, like do something like their
Speaker 2: first year, Like that's us now wide with rookie wide receivers,
Speaker 2: and if they don't pop in the first year, we're like, well,
Speaker 2: there's what's wrong, Like, so maybe we need to slow
Speaker 2: our role, yeah a little bit.
Speaker 3: I mean Marvin Harrison Junior just gave us eight hundred
Speaker 3: and eight touchdowns.
Speaker 2: We were like, yeah, right, what's wrong with you? You know,
Speaker 2: like quiet eight touchdowns though it really was. It was
Speaker 2: a real quiet eight.
Speaker 3: I think he had most of them against the Rams, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I love to say, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think he had a couple against the forty nine
Speaker 2: ers too, So all the division touchdowns does Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: not i'ma I'm gonna I'm gonna sit this one out
Speaker 2: in terms of trying to laugh because uh, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think I think he had a. He had a big
Speaker 2: game against San Francis. Maybe not he had one uh
Speaker 2: in week eighteen. Whatever. Uh, Anyway, there it is. That's
Speaker 2: our our combine wrap up. We will obviously keep tabs
Speaker 2: on this and maybe get a little bit more as
Speaker 2: we get closer to the draft. We'll try to get
Speaker 2: some of the usual suspects if we can get Emory
Speaker 2: Hunt back in as we normally do, and uh see
Speaker 2: who else we might be able to get in, Maybe
Speaker 2: get our pew Bucky Brooks in here to talk some guys. Okay,
Speaker 2: we'll see, we'll see how this works out. But uh,
Speaker 2: in the time, we'll talk about some wide receivers and
Speaker 2: running backs for free agency on Thursday as we head
Speaker 2: into next week. Actually, I guess we could probably even
Speaker 2: break it up play. Uh let's see. Well, no, we'll
Speaker 2: do it. We'll do it on Thursday. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 2: producing the show out loud as I as we wrap
Speaker 2: things up, we'll figure it out. Don't worry about us
Speaker 2: you meantime. That'll do it for this edition of the
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