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Speaker 1: here's Paul Calvici. Rightis the season the smoke screen sees

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Speaker 1: in that surrounds the NFL Draft. Danny Surrect, Darren Urbon

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Speaker 1: yours truly poly podcast. Here, Cardinals Underground brought to you

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Speaker 1: Our Cardinals I'm going to give you multiple choice, and

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Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me what's real and what's a smoke screen?

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Speaker 1: True or false? Essentially, are you ready? Danny's like contemplated,

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Speaker 1: it's already being negative. Here we go, Here we go,

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Speaker 1: The bickering has already begun. We are officially off and running.

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Speaker 1: Scenario number one. Oklahoma unveiled a life size statue of

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. A smoke screen or reality? That's true. I

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Speaker 1: don't know that you could tell it was Baker Mayfield,

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Speaker 1: but they did. Yeah, there's there's comparisons apparently to some

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Speaker 1: villain and Terminator two or something. He looks more like

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Speaker 1: some sort of Hollywood villain than he does Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: Scenario number two, And Danny has a competitive advantage on

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Speaker 1: this one because she may or may not have been

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Speaker 1: there and witnessed this less than an hour ago. A

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Speaker 1: for this question, to walk around the building. He will

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Speaker 1: hold office at some point. He just he has this

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Speaker 1: amazing ability to interact, interact with everyone and just have

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Speaker 1: casual conversations, doesn't matter who it is, doesn't matter whether

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Speaker 1: he knows them or not. You sure are bosting the

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Speaker 1: ego of a very confident man. Alright, well, you know what,

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Speaker 1: sleeping lunch yesterday, I have to pay it back, and

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Speaker 1: so I have to pay it forward because as I

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Speaker 1: walked out into the lunch room, he said, and I

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Speaker 1: quote Paul, you look tall today. Oh, come on, no

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Speaker 1: wonder you're giving him all these problems. So again smoke screen.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm I would absolutely said true, because Paul wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have brought it up if it wasn't. Well, he said,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it's true, although he said it, well,

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Speaker 1: is he trying to curry favor for you? It's sort

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Speaker 1: of fifty fifty is going to ask you to do something,

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Speaker 1: and then the last scenario would be yours truly who

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Speaker 1: ran into a longtime NFL assistant coach who will go unnamed,

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Speaker 1: And I was lamenting, dare I say, whining about all

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Speaker 1: the lame mock drafts that are out there? And he said,

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Speaker 1: and I quote, you know what, I've never seen a

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Speaker 1: mock draft. I said never. He said, not one time

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Speaker 1: have I seen a mock draft. He looked me right

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Speaker 1: And we're saying it's false. This might be a trick

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Speaker 1: that's what he told you. He did tell me that,

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Speaker 1: And this man has at least thirty years in the Paul, Paul,

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Speaker 1: do you also believe that all the players and coaches

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Speaker 1: That's not a bad You know what, here's a bonus

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Speaker 1: one for you. An NFL network analyst who who played

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Speaker 1: the receiver position, James Jones. We will name names because

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Speaker 1: he was on the air and I wouldness. I played

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Speaker 1: it back just to confirm he said it. He called

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Speaker 1: sky More out of Western Michigan the best wide receiver

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Speaker 1: and that's really what the Cardinals might might have some

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Speaker 1: four point nfl dot com he has one exactly one

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Speaker 1: fun here right now. This is going to get very analytical,

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Speaker 1: Well tell the Colts that and still great a great player.

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Speaker 1: But again, this is looking at it analytically for what

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Speaker 1: if the Cardinals go offensive guard, it's twenty three. I

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Speaker 1: what Danny just said is you're going to play the

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Speaker 1: You'll be mesmerized and entertain players, coaches, cheerleaders, the whole deal.

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Speaker 1: Go to asy Cardinals dot com and you can find

428
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Speaker 1: out about the draft party, including the guy who'll be

429
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Speaker 1: holding the mic and trying to fill for two and

430
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Speaker 1: a half hours. And we praying that they trade up

431
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Speaker 1: at some point in the draft. And poh, where are you?

432
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Speaker 1: We were discussing there's going to be face painting. We

433
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Speaker 1: were discussing what you're gonna getting. You're painting your face? Yes,

434
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Speaker 1: he yes, yes, yes, I saw there was face painting.

435
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Speaker 1: You're right, I should have lots of activities for kids

436
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Speaker 1: or adults. Paul, what if? What if? What? I particularly

437
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Speaker 1: enjoyed the Batman movie recently. What if I went and

438
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Speaker 1: I just got up there on stage and I grabbed

439
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Speaker 1: the mic with the Batman face paint, I said, and

440
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: then somebody I had someone shout out, the DJ shout

441
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Speaker 1: out who are you? And I'll say I'm vengeance. I

442
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Speaker 1: like it. How about that I like it. It's not

443
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Speaker 1: really family friendly though. Well, it's funny because when you're

444
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Speaker 1: I thought you were going to talk about having the

445
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Speaker 1: whole Batman costume on. And then I flashed back to

446
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Speaker 1: that Star Wars scene where Leia says, aren't you a

447
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Speaker 1: little short? First off? Okay? Seeing now when I make

448
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Speaker 1: the joke, it's okay, but you know, wait, you haven't

449
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Speaker 1: seen Star Wars. Here we go there, I have not

450
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: seen a second of Star Wars. I guess we got

451
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Speaker 1: to talk about twenty five to thirty four now, So

452
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: let's save Danny from her own lack of prep right

453
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Speaker 1: at this moment here when it comes to movies. When

454
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Speaker 1: it comes to movies, and I'll just there's no wrong

455
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Speaker 1: answer to this question. It's just your gut feel. If

456
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Speaker 1: indeed there are truly less than twenty first round graded players,

457
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Speaker 1: why does it get the Why do we I get

458
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Speaker 1: the feel? I'll say, why do I get the feel

459
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Speaker 1: that the Cardinals are not long for twenty three? They're

460
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Speaker 1: either a gonna trade up and go after one of

461
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Speaker 1: those top fifteen, especially when four of the five teams

462
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Speaker 1: in front of them, by the way, all pretty much

463
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Speaker 1: want receiver. We think and was it not interesting speaking

464
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Speaker 1: to the Steve Kind press conference when he mentioned that, oh,

465
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Speaker 1: you know, looking at maybe we've had calls and discussions

466
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Speaker 1: about trading up four or five spots. It's funny how

467
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Speaker 1: he cited four or five spots because four the five

468
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Speaker 1: teams in front of all seemingly need receiver big time.

469
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Speaker 1: So I thought, or if you know what, if you're

470
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Speaker 1: at that point, it also feels like a day on

471
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Speaker 1: Buchanan Draft for you trade out and trade down. I

472
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Speaker 1: just think too, the teams right behind the Cardinals have

473
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Speaker 1: similar needs to them. When you're at twenty three, think

474
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Speaker 1: about their other picks. They're not necessarily at the top

475
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Speaker 1: for rounds two or three. So considering the needs that

476
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Speaker 1: they have, the fact that this is not a normal

477
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Speaker 1: quarterback heavy first round like we're expecting, so a lot

478
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Speaker 1: of these other positions edge rusher, offensive line, wide receiver, cornerback,

479
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Speaker 1: even that the Cardinals need, there aren't going to be

480
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Speaker 1: as many players of those position groups that are usually

481
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Speaker 1: there because normally more quarterbacks got the top of the

482
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Speaker 1: first round. I don't particularly see them trading down. I

483
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Speaker 1: think that they trade they will trade up a few spots,

484
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Speaker 1: and I don't know off the top of my head

485
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Speaker 1: how any of the trades have come in the first round.

486
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Speaker 1: But in the nine years Steve Kim has been general manager,

487
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Speaker 1: they've done a Draft day trade seven of those times,

488
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Speaker 1: eleven total draft day trade. So, so are you calling

489
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Speaker 1: let me ask you this question. One in the first round, correct?

490
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Speaker 1: Or two in the first round it was Dao Buchanan

491
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Speaker 1: although he wasn't officially GM. When the Dao b Caanon came?

492
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Speaker 1: Was that thirteen? Thirteen? Okay? So then it was fourteen actually,

493
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Speaker 1: and when it was thirteen was Jonathan Cooper. Fourteen was

494
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Speaker 1: the Dam Buchanon and then of course Josh Rosen And

495
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Speaker 1: so two trades in the first Let me ask you

496
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Speaker 1: guys this question. No fourth round pick, no fifth round pick. Yeah,

497
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Speaker 1: you could try and do something there. If you move

498
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Speaker 1: up four spots, it's probably going to cost you your

499
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Speaker 1: third round pick. I don't do it. I don't not

500
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Speaker 1: in this rap too deep, too many needs. I personally

501
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Speaker 1: would not do that, Okay, I would not. It's an

502
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Speaker 1: interesting thought because have them once in a while, Because

503
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Speaker 1: once in a while, yes, that was one of them.

504
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Speaker 1: You know, NFL Network has spent a lot of time

505
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Speaker 1: reporting that a lot of NFL gms that they talk

506
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Speaker 1: to anonymously, ostensibly allegedly four c a run on quarterbacks

507
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Speaker 1: late in round one corner or quarters right quarterbacks qbs yea.

508
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Speaker 1: So so if you're thinking before twenty three, Malik Willis

509
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Speaker 1: at least is gone, and I'll say Kenny Pickett has

510
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: gone by twenty three, okay, But if all of a sudden,

511
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Speaker 1: teams are like, you know what, there's Desmond Ritter, there's

512
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Speaker 1: Matt Correll, maybe even there's Sam Howell, and you have

513
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Speaker 1: quarterback needy teams, the Lions who have thirty two and

514
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Speaker 1: thirty four, and then the Giants, the Texans at the

515
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Speaker 1: top of round two, Seattle at forty and forty one.

516
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Speaker 1: If you're the Cardinals and you're sitting at twenty three

517
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Speaker 1: and there's a quarterback desperate team that not only wants

518
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Speaker 1: their guy before someone else comes up, but they want

519
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: that fifth year option on that all important position, I

520
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: could easily see the Cardinals pulling the trigger and maximizing

521
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Speaker 1: their spot at twenty three. If they're indeed is a

522
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Speaker 1: run on quarterback late in the first round, So then

523
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Speaker 1: you're Easter would be blowing on the win the entire

524
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Speaker 1: draft party with no first round pick. That would be

525
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Speaker 1: not not be optimal. I'm going to tell you that

526
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Speaker 1: right now, I might have to go at that point,

527
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Speaker 1: I might actually tell everyone I'm going for more face

528
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Speaker 1: painting and take a break. So if you're if you're

529
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals at twenty three, how far back are you

530
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Speaker 1: willing to drop in the first round. Well, that's what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. With the teams he just mentioned, you would

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Speaker 1: be dropping into the sud Yeah. Yeah, I'd go into

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Speaker 1: the first ten picks a round two and then maybe, oh,

534
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Speaker 1: I don't know, an injured guy falls like David a

535
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Speaker 1: Jabo and you all of a sudden you got a

536
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Speaker 1: guy like that who falls to you. But you also

537
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Speaker 1: got another pick along the way, right the edge rusher

538
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Speaker 1: who tores achilles at a protas. So you would trade

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Speaker 1: out of the first round. I would at that point, yeah,

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Speaker 1: if I got that extra pick, and in the second yeah.

541
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Speaker 1: And now, if you're dropping that far down, you're probably

542
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: getting a couple extra picks. You're probably getting something else

543
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: in this draft and then maybe in next year's draft.

544
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Speaker 1: So you know, look, it just depends what teams think

545
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Speaker 1: about some of these quarterbacks. You've seen Matt Corrall, for example,

546
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Speaker 1: I saw picked at number five and some of these

547
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Speaker 1: mock drafts. That's real a popular pick. Now Detroit at

548
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Speaker 1: thirty two, Mac Correll the old miss quarterbacks. So what

549
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: about the top a round two? Have you guys seen

550
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: any quarterback tied to them? I mean they're gonna be

551
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: something in a couple of like right, well, I again, yes,

552
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Speaker 1: who knows what Chris ballor might do though, I mean

553
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: I think that's always possible. But again, it's that kind

554
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: of play is only on the board is if the

555
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: Cardinals get on and then it's barren for what they

556
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: want to really do. I think you would need to

557
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: see before twenty three a run on wide receivers for

558
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Speaker 1: somebody like green Bay at twenty eight to want to

559
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: jump up for something. Yeah, but here's the problem is,

560
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: like the Cardinals could use a wide receiver too, are

561
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Speaker 1: you you know if there's a wide receiver that Green

562
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: Bay wants to jump up for. But if they have

563
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: more needs in the Packers and they feel like there's

564
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: going to be four or five players where they feel comfortable,

565
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: one of them will at least fall a couple spots

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Speaker 1: to twenty eight. Maybe it's not a wide receiver. Maybe

567
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Speaker 1: it's an offensive liman like a Kenyan Green or someone

568
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Speaker 1: who's gonna fall. Yeah, that would make kind of sense

569
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Speaker 1: to me. Of if there's a run on wide receivers,

570
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: that's Green day, And that's kind of what ended up

571
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: happening in the day. It would be a canon trade.

572
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: Is they the Saints wanted to trade up for Brandon Cooks.

573
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Speaker 1: They went from twenty to twenty seven. They had a

574
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 1: couple of people, and Steve Kah mentioned it the other

575
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 1: day that they had four guys that they wanted at

576
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: that twentieth pick, and all of them got picked boom boom,

577
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,239
Speaker 1: boom boom right before the twentieth pick, whoever they might

578
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Speaker 1: have been. So that's one of the reasons they were

579
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: trading down. And again I think that's what would have

580
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: to happen, is I think they've got some guys in mind,

581
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: and they would all have to start sliding off the board.

582
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: I don't think I could be wrong. I don't think

583
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are trading up in this draft just because

584
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: they don't have the capitol to really do it. And

585
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: when you trade up, it's to get somebody you just

586
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: absolutely have to have. And I don't know if that

587
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: guy's in this draft, and I certainly don't know if

588
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: that guy's in this draft and then available at nineteen

589
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: or whatever they would be trying to get to. So um.

590
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's why I kind of think. I think,

591
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: I think trading up. I think there's gonna be a

592
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: lot more teams that want to trade down that are

593
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: then are willing to trade up, and I think it's

594
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Speaker 1: going to be really hard for trades to happen because

595
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: of that. And by the way, that Bucky Brooks four

596
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Speaker 1: point zero, that's just out an fl dot com. He

597
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: has a cardinal staying at twenty three. Only one quarterback drafted,

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Speaker 1: as I mentioned him or twenty to the Steelers Malik Willis,

599
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Speaker 1: and the Cardinals select George carloft Us the edge rusher

600
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Speaker 1: out of Purdue. Uh and so at least he's described

601
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Speaker 1: as having a high motor. You know, I just if

602
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 1: there's one thing about edge rushers these days, just make

603
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: sure he has a consistent motor. That's That's that's all

604
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: we ask for around here, right You just you just

605
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: want to get off the guy. I mean, my goodness,

606
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Speaker 1: it's by the way, here's a name that I was

607
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: I was looking at. I'm thinking, all right, who could

608
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: be a realistic round two receiver for the Arizona Cardinals.

609
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: And we've named a lot of names here on Cardinals Underground,

610
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: and then this one has started to gain a lot

611
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: of steam. In fact, James Jones and named him as

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Speaker 1: part of that sky More segment. Okay, called Skymore the

613
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: best wide receiver in the draft. He then went on

614
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: to say, in terms of the under under the radar guys,

615
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: that a future All Pro receiver, George Pickens, the Georgia receiver,

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Speaker 1: George Pickens, who, by the way, who is on the

617
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: aj Green Family Football Scholarship at Georgia. He was a

618
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: five star recruit six three and a half one ninety five,

619
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Speaker 1: just ran a four four seven forty. That's coming off

620
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: is he had a knee injury in the spring ball

621
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, so we got a late start to

622
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Speaker 1: this last season. He made a big catch in the

623
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Speaker 1: championship game. But big receiver, they say, elite, body of control,

624
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: he'll fight you, dog mentality and who sell. I'll tell

625
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: you why, because if you at least from what I've

626
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: seen research and what people have been saying is it's

627
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: a lot of red flags. Yes, and obviously we were

628
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: not in the rooms, but just reports of maybe didn't

629
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: interview very well, red flags of character. Yeah, so that

630
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: that's the decision a team has to make. I believe,

631
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Speaker 1: didn't he like he punched someone in a game? Am

632
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: I remembering that right? And I just read this. That's

633
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Speaker 1: the only reason I remember it is because there was

634
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Speaker 1: a team rules violation. He got suspended for the first

635
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: half of game, and then the second half of game

636
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: he punched someone. He got suspended for the next game.

637
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Speaker 1: And so yes, Now, the only reason I bring this

638
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: up is because if he really does have a connection

639
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: in a relationship with AJ Green, and he's still there

640
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: at fifty five, and you're bringing him into the same

641
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: wide receiver room as Aj Green, who you know has

642
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: already been a bit of a mentor, it's sort of

643
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: like the old you remember when Tyron Matthew came to

644
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: the years on the Cardinals. The big reason why is

645
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: because Patrick Peterson pounded the table for his friend Tyron Matthew,

646
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: who had gone to Patrick Peterson's parents' house in Florida

647
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: to get away from New Orleans. In that environment, and

648
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: a lot of the frenzy had grown up with that

649
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: weren't exactly a positive influence in his life. I just think,

650
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,719
Speaker 1: first of all, I think even with the red flags,

651
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't think Pickens is there at fifty five. I

652
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be too good. I think he's gonna

653
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't see him necessarily being the pick at twenty three,

654
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: but I think he's gone before fifty five. That's just

655
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: my personal feeling. But I also think that if you

656
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: don't go receiver first round and you go receiver second round,

657
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: I just feel like, I feel like this is a

658
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: really important wide receiver pick. The first wide receiver taken

659
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: for Steve Kim. Obviously Christian Kirk worked out well. The

660
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: other three receivers in twenty nineteen was a twenty nineteen

661
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: did not Michael Michael Floyd was solid, but he never

662
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: turned out to be what they wanted and obviously had

663
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: his issues. I think it's really important that they nail

664
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Speaker 1: this receiver. So Steve Kim has never drafted a wide

665
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: receiver in the first round. Do you think that changes

666
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: us year? I mean, I think it's on the table three.

667
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: I absolutely think it's a possibility because I think part

668
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: of the reason I think it's a possibility is because

669
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: you just don't know. I think Jamison Williams of Alabama

670
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: is off well off the board by the time they

671
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: pick at twenty three, But what if he's not. By

672
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: the way, the AP just put out their mock draft

673
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: this week. I think it's their first and only mock draft.

674
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: The Associated Press they had Jamison Williams falling to the

675
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: Cardinals at number twenty three. Now I don't think he

676
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: falls to twenty three. And if you do take him,

677
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: you're talking about not having a guy for probably half

678
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: the season. Do you think a full half season the

679
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: half the season, I don't know. I mean, I don't

680
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: know exactly where he is. But it was it was

681
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: acl and it was just it was this calendar year, right,

682
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna want to rush him back. Um,

683
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: but I think that might be worth it if he's there,

684
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: I mean, because he's supposedly that good. So when this

685
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: AP mock draft, I put it to you, Darren Urban, Yes,

686
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: in this AP mock draft, Kenyon Green is on the

687
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: board at twenty three. Davante White is on the board

688
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: at twenty three, George Carl Loftus is on the board

689
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: at twenty three, Andrew Booth the corner out of Clemson.

690
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: They're all on the board at twenty three because he

691
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: has three quarterbacks going before the Cardinals pick. Jamison Williams

692
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: is also there. That is the selection in this mode.

693
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: If that was the group Kenyon Green Davante, Why George Karloftus,

694
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Speaker 1: Andrew Booth. If Williams is on the board, I'm taking

695
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams out of those guys. Danny, She's thinking, I

696
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: am deep in thought. Give me the Jeopardy music. I'll

697
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: walk you through. My immediate thought process is Williams or

698
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: Carloftus Because while I like the pick of an offensive lineman,

699
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: that might be something they just have to adjust later

700
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: on or focus on next year. Because of the immediate

701
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: need for a wide receiver or an edge rusher, I

702
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: think I would go Jamison Williams as well. I think

703
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: at some point you got to start. Do they want

704
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: a draft a defender in the first round in a

705
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: third consecutive draft. I think at some point you have

706
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: to put big draft capital into that offense. I'm going

707
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: to say this, I'm picking Williams there because I see.

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00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: Out of those people, he's the one that sticks out

709
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: like a sore thumb of in terms of what I've

710
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: seen from analysts and stuff. In terms of talent. That's

711
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: why I'm going with Jamison Williams. If he wasn't there,

712
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: out of those guys, I would probably lean towards Carloftis

713
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: for the same kinds of reason. But would I be

714
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: upset if they went Zion Johnson or key Well Wyatt. No,

715
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't and try and beef up on the lines.

716
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd go corner there. I agree what's

717
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: interesting is and you guys will enjoy this because basically

718
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: it means I'm dead wrong, or at least I know.

719
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: As of twenty twenty two, I can no longer hold

720
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: on to my argument that the hit rate for first

721
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: round receivers has been the lowest of them all among

722
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: all NFL positions. Danny, you can ask Darren. I've beaten

723
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: this this drum for about five years, no first round receive,

724
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: no sleep till Brooklyn, and no first round receivers because

725
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: the hit rate was so low, abysmally low. But in

726
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: the last couple of years that has changed. It really has,

727
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: and Daniel now he's coming around, even though he was

728
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: arguing this like just two months. They did cite a

729
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: stat it was going into last year's draft that it

730
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: was twenty seven percent the hit rate for first round receivers,

731
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: but I think that was the last five years combined.

732
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: Over the last couple of years has changed and so

733
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: you know, it's been sort of like the stock market

734
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: recently up really down, you know, crazy. And but Daniel

735
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: Jeremiah saying that it's been consistent with a lot of

736
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: these first round receivers being solid players. And they say

737
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: it's for a couple of trends that if number one,

738
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: there have been a lot of seven on seven passing

739
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: camps for the last decade, so they're more advanced than ever.

740
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 1: And then number two, just the proliferation of past first

741
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: offenses in college doesn't necessarily have to be the spread,

742
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: it's just the mentality pass first off. So there are

743
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: more receivers and more qualified receivers than ever in the

744
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: first round. But to me, that also screams if you're

745
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: doing your homework and you can really evaluate the position,

746
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: you can find that guy in round two and or

747
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: round three because it's so deep that particular position. You

748
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: know what stands out to me though, from what Steve

749
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: Kime said and that pressor a couple of days ago.

750
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: I guess already last week from when we're recording this

751
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: was come gets away from new, doesn't It does? When

752
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: you're having fun the need you have in March April

753
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: and may see this is all new first, she's never

754
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: heard this before, even though we've heard it for forever.

755
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: Why are you being such a hater. I'm trying to

756
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: get my point across. Are different than the need you

757
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: have in October and November? And when I think back

758
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: to October and November of last season, wide receiver would

759
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: de Hoop gone and the offensive line not getting to

760
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: week sixteen or seventeen, the five starters starting a game

761
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: with Kyler Murray? And so is that true? The five

762
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: starters weren't there with Kyler because do you remember they

763
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: were switching out right guard, figuring out what they wanted,

764
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: and then somebody was always hurt. They went through those

765
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: first coup six or some weeks or COVID justin Murray

766
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: was an issue right from the get go, and then

767
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: the other game that the five started, I'm talking about

768
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: going Humphreys, Pugh Hudson, Garcia Beacham. The other game they

769
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: started was when Kyler was out, So that that to

770
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: me thinks that that makes me think, yes, I need

771
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: edge rusher, but offensive line or why. What's funny is

772
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: is that he built the offensive line last year where

773
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: he felt like he had a lot of depth. It

774
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: just ended up getting tested to the nth degree with

775
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: everybody getting banged up. And the receiver part is as

776
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: a great example. And again that goes back to having

777
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: to get the better players. And that's like when we're

778
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: talking about the Williams thing, it's not just that they

779
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: have they would have a need at wide receiver. It's

780
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: just that he's the best player out of those that

781
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: you mentioned. And that's why that springs to mind. And

782
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: what's interesting, I'm looking at this quote from mel Kiper

783
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: right here because there's a lot of speculation and that

784
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: this draft class at receiver will rival two thousand and

785
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: four where Larry was the first receiver taken of seven

786
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: in the first round, which is the all time record

787
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: number receivers taken in round one, and mel Kuipers saying

788
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: on this year's class, quote, none of these guys have

789
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: the same grade as a Davante Smith, a Jamar Chase,

790
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: or a Jalen Waddle from last year. Those three all

791
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: had elite grades, which is interesting that he doesn't have

792
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: the same caliber grade on Jamison Williams, for example, as

793
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: those three names I just listed. So and then Mike

794
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: Vrabel actually opened up at his press conference about just

795
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: the receiver position. He said, this is the Tennessee Titans

796
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: head coach. The hardest parton I'm quoting loosely here is

797
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: getting a guy to walk out there and truly look

798
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: across from him and see an elite corner like a

799
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: Gayer Alexander was the one he cited, and believe in

800
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: yourself that I can beat this elite NFL corner one

801
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: on one, that not only do I know my route

802
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: and know the details of it, you know, but then

803
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: I got to beat a guy who's a dominating force

804
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: on the opposing side of the ball. And he said, look,

805
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 1: almost every team in the NFL has an elite corner.

806
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: So you have to assess in these receivers whether they

807
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: have that confidence and that compete in them to be

808
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 1: able to go out there and beat those elite corners.

809
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: And he said that really is the X factor and

810
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: trying to find that guy at receiver. But but this

811
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: team doesn't need that because that guy that cornerback is

812
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: going to be covering DeAndre Hopkins, so you have time

813
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: to have your guy gain that kind of confidence. Although

814
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: it's funny, all I know is the receivers that I've

815
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: come across, most of them, the ones that are getting

816
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: picked in the first round, confidence isn't the problem. I mean,

817
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: they may not be able to play, but I've never

818
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: run into any of them that weren't so dann confident

819
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: that they thought they were the Bee's knees. I'll say

820
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: this though, is that is Bee's knees a kind of

821
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: goose and weren't just the because you're you're you're wincing

822
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: right now at the beast. More just like recently, my

823
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: dad would say, like, these guys are not lacking confidence.

824
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: I can tell you that, Well, yeah, you're twenty two

825
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: years old, about to be picking the first draft and

826
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: make millions of dollars playing football your dream. Okay, confident, Okay, okay,

827
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: but Mike Vrabel just got through saying some of these

828
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: guys aren't confident. I think I think you guys are

829
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: talking about confidence to do you might Frabel and do

830
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: different contexts. Really, that's the way I took it. That's

831
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: why I was making funny. I'll cite this though. The

832
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals have a receiver on their roster who has

833
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: suffered from a lack of confidence. He isbell Andy Isabella, right,

834
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: and he said as much in this studio. I'm I'm

835
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: not saying and you're right and so, but he wasn't

836
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: drop going in the first round either, No, no, but

837
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, for them to trade up into

838
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: the second and you're right and take Andy Isabella and

839
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: that that's that's a whole point. And you gotta I

840
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,959
Speaker 1: got to defend myself here against Danny here, I'm trying

841
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: to I'm actually trying to maneuver. But I can't let

842
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: this go because I feel like I don't I don't

843
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: understand what the difference is between being confident. I'm I'm

844
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: exactly tugh you. So you're saying that these guys, I'm

845
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: taking it wrong that like Mike Rabel was probably talking

846
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: more confidence on the field, and you were just saying,

847
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: like these guys are pretty cocky. Well yeah, but I'm

848
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: talking about on the field. Oh, I thought, you mean,

849
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: just like the way these guys roll up to the draft.

850
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: They've got plenty of No no, no, no, no, no,

851
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: I'm talking about these guys. Did they go they go

852
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: in the locker room. I mean when you're talking to them.

853
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: Have you talked to a player like that, a young

854
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: player who doesn't think they're already the best player? Yes,

855
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: you have talked to people, But I apologize. I absolutely

856
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: took it the wrong way. You absolutely did. At least

857
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm in mini when I'm wrong. Well, look the bar

858
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: is high because in twenty twenty was Justin Jefferson and

859
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: then last year was Jamar Chase and they both had

860
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: over fourteen hundred yards receiving as rookies. So you know,

861
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: and again those are only that's only two out of right, however,

862
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: many rookie receivers. Once again, that is why I cite

863
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: the hit rate overall for first round receiver as I

864
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: pound the table literally over here, and now, what do

865
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: you think, truly, what do you think Kyler wants? Because

866
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: Kyler has communicated with and beyond the contract, beyond the

867
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: big money, big big money, beyond that, and it doesn't

868
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: look by the way. Okay, you know, we'll get into

869
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: it right now. There's the segue. Do you expect the

870
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: contract before the draft? No? Absolutely, not not happening. Correct,

871
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: despite the all cast manifesto and the demands by the

872
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: agent and some of the reports placed surreptitiously with some

873
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: of the NFL insiders, how they want a deal done

874
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: by the draft, ain't happening that up to I'd say

875
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: zero chance? Can I use zero chance? And I'll use

876
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: zero chance in a different context them the other stuff

877
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: going on? Right, the GM asked if a trade was

878
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: in on the radar for Kyler Maurine. The answer was

879
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: zero chance, and I'll use zero chance to say there's

880
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: not going to be a monumental historic contract for the draft,

881
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: just not going to happen. How many times have the

882
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: decision makers cited the traditional timeline of waiting until the summer? Right,

883
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: So hint, hint, Team Kyler is going to have to

884
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 1: just wait and wait accordingly, And so okay, but were

885
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: you encouraged, Danny by what you saw on social media

886
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: from Kyler where it appeared to be positive and he

887
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: stated for everyone to hear and see that he's an

888
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: Arizona cardinal right in the face of some criticism and

889
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: or some speculation. Right around the same time of that

890
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: press conference with Cliff Kingsbury and Steve Kim, there had

891
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: been a podcast, a clip from a podcast circulating basically

892
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: claiming that the culture here was not great and so

893
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: Kyler was not being set up for success more or less.

894
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: So then you have Steve Kim saying, zero chance Kyler

895
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: is our quarterback for the short term, for the he'd

896
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: be traded right right, sorry, zero chance he will be traded.

897
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: He's our quarterback short term and long term. And Kyler

898
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: Murray basically quote tweeted the clip from the podcast saying

899
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: he wasn't being set up for success and said, I

900
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: want to win super Bowls in Arizona. This is where

901
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: I want to be straight up. You believe it, Darren, Yeah,

902
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I know, I guess my feeling is this,

903
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: What would be the point of him doing it? I

904
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: mean to me, you either, if you're going to do it,

905
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: you mean it. Because although there's nothing that made him

906
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: do that, nobody would have batted an eyelash. It's not

907
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: a big social media again with that's what caught everybody's attention,

908
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: where there was this a series of two or three

909
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: tweets That was one of them. The other one where

910
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: Time's comment about zero chance and he quote tweeted that

911
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: and said had the one hundred emogi on it emoji

912
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: on it. And then there was Kent Summers who contacted

913
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: owner Michael Bidwell and asked about trade speculation. In the

914
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: quote from Michael Bidwell was yeah, that's not happening yep.

915
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: So Kyler Murray he quote twee did that clip from

916
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: the podcast and said I want to win Super Bowls

917
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: with the Cardinals aisy as home. No, did you see

918
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: my response tweet by the way too. I think it

919
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: was the Michael Bidwell comment I threw out there the

920
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: meme from the hangover where you know where they say,

921
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, is is he going to be here in

922
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: time for the wedding? And the response or on the

923
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: other side of the phone was was, yeah, that's not happening, right,

924
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: you know. So that boom that sort of reminded me

925
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: of that was the exact quoe. I mean, I think

926
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: I think the self don't use that the draft party

927
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: up on the stage, because that just that just bob

928
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: bob badly. It really bombed I'm trying out a few

929
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: things here. It's not going so I'm writing that down.

930
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm crossing that one off right now here. I'm go ahead, Darren,

931
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: you can make Suns jokes. Yeah. Um. I think the

932
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: Cardinals were always going to say these things, and I

933
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: believe them. But again, I think having Kyler interact with

934
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: them a little bit and agreeing with them, I think

935
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: is a big deal. And I do think he wants

936
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: to be around here. And going back to your original

937
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: point before we delved into the contract part was what

938
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: do I think Kyler wantson in the in the draft?

939
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean, like Drew Stanton, he's a quarterback. I'm sure

940
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: he wouldn't mind an offensive lineman or a wide receiver.

941
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: And you know, we're going to see how that goes.

942
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: I don't. I know it's been suggested that the goal

943
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: offense no matter what, and probably in part two because

944
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: they haven't and you want to pacify the quarterback a

945
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: little bit. Not buying that. I don't either. I mean,

946
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: because it's going to depend on who's there. But I mean,

947
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: if there's an edge rusher that they love at twenty three,

948
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: they're goal on defense, I would hope. So I would hope.

949
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: So I do think it's important to remember, like, there

950
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: are some really good wide receivers that if they took

951
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: Cardinals took at twenty three, I don't think we would

952
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: be upset with. But I do think it is important

953
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: to remember, while that is a need for them, they

954
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: still have DeAndre Hopkins, they still have AJ Green. And

955
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: say what you want about AJ Green, he didn't have

956
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: a horrible year with the Cardinals, and so then now

957
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: that he's in a second year, building more chemistry, knowing

958
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: the offense, It's not like Kyler Murray has no options

959
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: without Zach Ertz or how they're going to utilize with

960
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: Max Williams. So while wide receiver and I've been saying

961
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: this is still a need for this team, it's not

962
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: like Kyler Murray has no options whatsoever. If the Cardinals

963
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: do decide to go with an offensive lineman or maybe

964
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: an edge rusher with that first pick, I think, if

965
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: all things are equal in terms of the players lining

966
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: up on the board, I do not think they take

967
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: a receiver without first pick. Now, again, something could happen

968
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: or and I don't know how they have these guys graded,

969
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: but if a Williams is there. Yeah, I could see

970
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: them doing that. Or maybe they have a super high

971
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: grade on one of these receivers that are expect to

972
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 1: go later in the first round that I don't realize,

973
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: or whatever. Who knows. Maybe there's other things going on

974
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: behind closed doors. Of maybe they don't take a receiver

975
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: on day one, but they get to day two or

976
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: three and they've been talking with Kyler about some of

977
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: these other wide receivers, and Kyler's having a say in

978
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: where they're going, or DeAndre Hopkins having a say. There's

979
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: so many things that could be going on behind closed

980
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 1: doors that we have no idea about. Okay, I'll speculate,

981
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: Thank you, Danny end was up Danny on me speculation

982
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: receiver behind the scenes, trades Nikkil Harry Nikkil Harry can

983
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: be had. He's been saying the right things. The ATRIN

984
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: hasn't been putting out the right things. Whether the rest

985
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: of the NFL believes it or out, I don't know.

986
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: You gotta think the Patriots are ready to cut ties.

987
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: They are so done with the former Assue first round.

988
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: What are you saying trade for him? I'm saying, if

989
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: you have one, you can package something up, you know,

990
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: a low round draft picks. Here's obviously coach Belichick values

991
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: those six and seventh round picks because he just traded

992
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: away a fifth for a six and the seventh. Did

993
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: he not? Did he just do a trade with someone? Yeah,

994
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: he did with the Texans. So I would say this,

995
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things with nikkil Harry because obviously

996
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: a lot of people locally would desperately want to see

997
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: them trade. They're like, trade Andy Isabella is straight up

998
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: for nikil Harry, And I'm like, well, how do you

999
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: know that the Patriots want Andy Isabella? More importantly, how

1000
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: do you know the Cardinals would even want Ni kil Harry.

1001
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: There's a couple things with it. If you trade for him,

1002
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: I believe I'd have to look. But I believe his

1003
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: his money is I mean, I believe he's got a

1004
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: guaranteed final year of his deal and it's not a

1005
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 1: ton of money, but it's still enough that you're basically

1006
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: saying he's gonna be on your roster. Have you seen

1007
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: enough to guarantee that? I'd have to look. That's that's

1008
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: more I would have to look up. More importantly, the

1009
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: other day, Steve Kim said about wide receivers. You need

1010
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: a guy with some speed who can basically get open

1011
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: and get away from these high profile cornerbacks. His Nikkio

1012
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: Harry showed that in the NFL. I don't know if

1013
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: he has that. That was one of the knocks on

1014
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: him in college was he's a tremendous athlete and he

1015
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: made all these plays, but it's not like he was

1016
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: a great route runner, and it's not like he got open.

1017
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: It's he could make things happen when he had the ball,

1018
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: And I just don't know if that fits with what

1019
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: they want to do. That is true. Yeah, me and

1020
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: at Ascuf. You think of his spectacular catches, and he

1021
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: had a lot of spectacular catches as a sundvel, they're

1022
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: almost all contested. He's not a guy who seemingly gets

1023
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 1: a lot of separation. Big guy, especially use that size

1024
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: in the college game, great play strength right when the

1025
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: ball's up in the air, and that fifty fifty ball,

1026
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: he's great at going to get it. But yeah, you're right, Darren,

1027
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: there hasn't been the ability for him to a stay

1028
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: in the field and stay healthy in the NFL and

1029
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: then b get enough separation where But I'm just saying,

1030
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: if the Patriots are desperate to get rid of him somehow,

1031
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: some way, and you're willing to take on the contract

1032
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: and that's duable, then I'm guessing you won't have to

1033
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: give up much, no in terms of draft capital, to

1034
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: get a Nikiel Harry, especially if you're taking on that contract. Yeah,

1035
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: and I would say that, you know, again, people forget

1036
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: about the fact that you know, Nikil Harry went the

1037
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: last pick of the first round in twenty nineteen and

1038
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: Byron Murphy was the first pick of the second round.

1039
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: If Nikkila Harry hadn't been picked by the Patriots, the

1040
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: Cardinals weren't taking him, they were taking Byron Murphy. I

1041
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: don't think they thought enough of Nikkil Harry that they're like, oh,

1042
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: I absolutely gotta go get that guy. I do like

1043
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 1: the dynamic, though, if you brought it in Nikiel Harry,

1044
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: who struggled so far in the NFL, and he's in

1045
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: the same receiver room again with DeAndre Hopkins, with AJ Green,

1046
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: you have that sort of example those potential mentors. I mean, look,

1047
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: and if you truly has realized this is my last chance,

1048
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: as his agent is saying, then maybe he's more willing

1049
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: than ever to learn and change his ways. I mean

1050
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: maybe that would be what I just I think too

1051
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: of that was a position group that Steve Kind called

1052
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: out specifically of wide receivers now with edge rushers and quarterbacks.

1053
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 1: Of once you get past those first four or five

1054
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: years as your rookie deal, you're having to pay a

1055
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: lot of money. So if the option is to draft

1056
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: a wide receiver for the Cardinals or make a trade,

1057
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: I would see them more drafting a wide receiver and

1058
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: trying to develop them and get more years out of

1059
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: a player for cheaper than making that specific trade. Yeah,

1060
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: because the other problem is, and I looked it up,

1061
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: his guarantee is only about seven hundred thousand dollars, which

1062
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: is not nothing, but it's not who But if he

1063
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: pays off for you, he's an unrestricted free agent next

1064
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: year automatically. Whereas if you don't get him and you

1065
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: draft the guy you've got him for, even if it's

1066
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: not in the first round, you got a minimum of

1067
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: four years at whatever price. I just I don't know

1068
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: if the Nikuila Harry. I think if they cut Nikil Harry,

1069
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: that might change the equation. But if I don't know

1070
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: if they trade for him, well, and maybe it's a

1071
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: backup plan. You didn't get the receiver you wanted in

1072
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: a round one, you didn't get a guy in round two,

1073
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you're like, oh boy, we're

1074
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: going into day three of the draft. Hey, coach Belichick,

1075
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: what would you take for Nikil Harry? You know, you

1076
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: didn't get the guys you wanted. It would be very

1077
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: interesting if you spent you know, if you were able

1078
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: to give up a seventh round pick for Nikil Harry.

1079
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: So I think people are on here. It would definitely

1080
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: give us something to write about. And look, he has

1081
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: the measurables, he has the skill set. So and let's

1082
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: be honest. Anybody who was in New England for that

1083
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: game two years ago and watch Cam Newton near that

1084
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: Patriot's offense. It was horrendous. I mean he was terrible.

1085
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: And then he had a rookie quarterback last year in

1086
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: mac Jones. Yes, he was second in Rookie of the

1087
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: Year voting Mac Jones. But still, you know, beyond Tom

1088
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: Brady and is injured first couple of years, Um, he

1089
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: hasn't had a lot in terms of a passing game.

1090
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: You know, to build off of. So I throw that

1091
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: out there just in case. I mean, Danny, you're ready

1092
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: to give us a gut feel. Are you ready to say, okay,

1093
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: you know what, everything materializes the way I see it

1094
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: happening in and you know the perfect scenario. The Arizona

1095
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: Cardinals at number twenty through overall are going to draft.

1096
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: Are you asking for a name or positions? Both? Name?

1097
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: We want to name a specific name whoa Darren would

1098
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: just like to say, it's not like we're organization. I know.

1099
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say perfect world. Well, when I say maybe

1100
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: less than perfect in terms of I'm saying in a

1101
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: I should have said in a realistic world, I mean,

1102
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: in a perfect world, all these guys drop, and then

1103
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: you take him in a realistic perfect world, I guess

1104
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: is probably a better way to put it. I'm gonna

1105
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: stick with what we're going with, I guess than Jamison Williams, Okay,

1106
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: so he drops, he drops, I'm gonna say, there's no

1107
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: way he drops. So I am going to say, and

1108
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I keep thinking Edge Rusher, But the

1109
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: more I think about it, the more I'm thinking it

1110
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: might be an offensive Lineman as opposed to a Carloftis,

1111
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: just because he's not quite what they use off the edge,

1112
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: and I don't know if they would want to go

1113
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: ahead and spend a pick there. I wouldn't be shocked

1114
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: if it was Carloftis, but I'll go with Zion Johnson.

1115
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: That would be the offensive lineman. That would have been

1116
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: my answer of had not Jameis and Williams and the

1117
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: less an ideal of him dropping. I think I would

1118
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: go with an offensive lineman as well at that position.

1119
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: I tell you you know, I joked that pick. I

1120
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: joked earlier when Steve Kine was asked what are your

1121
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 1: areas of need? And he actually named position groups edge, rusher,

1122
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: receiver and corner. Yeah, I'm not kidding. I said to

1123
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: myself immediately, all they're going on line or D line.

1124
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: So I definitely leaned towards a Kenyon Green of Texas

1125
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: A and M. I could see that six four three twenty,

1126
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: a guard who's played a lot of tackle as well

1127
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: as a positional flexibility. I could see that. But and

1128
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: I hate to say this because Wolf spend saying it

1129
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: at nauseum, but a Davante Wyatt, a D lineman out

1130
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: of Georgia and considering how the Cardinals were susceptible on

1131
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: so since you went old line and I'm gonna go

1132
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: go Davante whytt which I could completely see that, and

1133
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: you know what, that helps solve your pass rush problem

1134
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: as well. Did the Cardinals get much of an interior

1135
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: pass rush last year? Say? No, they just didn't. That

1136
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: they didn't. So if you can get that stud stalwart

1137
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: defensive tackle who's also a guy who will disrupt things

1138
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: on the interior old line and actually pressure the pocket,

1139
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, from the interior, okay, you know, hey, look,

1140
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: it's just about getting to the quarterback, doesn't matter how

1141
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,919
Speaker 1: or where or why, and then let vance Joseph scheme

1142
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: it up from there like you did two years ago.

1143
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: And the absence of Chandler Jones when he tours bicept

1144
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: at the Jets in Week five. So, I mean, the

1145
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: only thing that I can really glean about this draft

1146
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: if you look around, is just um, it's about as

1147
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: unpredictable as as most people can figure that the league

1148
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: can remember is you know, it's okay, what exactly how

1149
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: many quarterbacks are going to be taken? Is there going

1150
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: to be a skill guy taken? You know, in the

1151
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: top ten, and so we'll see you've just had such

1152
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: a range. Really, it just boils down to, you know,

1153
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: our baseline default question. You just had to find yourself

1154
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: a football playing Jesse. And I think you guys, you know,

1155
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: it's taking a good couple months, but I think you

1156
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: guys would agree with that term they use in the South,

1157
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, just get a ballplayer, Just get someone who's

1158
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: gonna a difference maker. So, I don't know, it's just

1159
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: a badass going back. It's just it's just a it's

1160
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: an old term for the hashtag badass. Ask him about

1161
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: I Andy, Well, if no, actually you know what, you

1162
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: know what Darren that I'm actually now on the edge

1163
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: of my seat. You know it's the old marketing term.

1164
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: We'll sell you the whole seat, you only need the edge.

1165
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm now on the edge of my seat. You're so

1166
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 1: full of sing for for for a million bucks or whatever.

1167
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: Andy Isabella is on the hook for this year. If

1168
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: you don't get a viable trade offer of something in

1169
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: real value in return, I'd keep him, you know why,

1170
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: for the eye candy that is Andy Isabella. Because if

1171
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: rondel Moore is going to be more of an X

1172
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: receiver outside receiver, and he's actually be more of a

1173
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: downfield target who's gonna have the Rondelle Moore you know

1174
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: position this year of just going laterally and being that

1175
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: guy with speed in space and the threat of getting

1176
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: him the ball and so forth on a quick bubble screen.

1177
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: I think there's an Isabella can handle that a how

1178
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: are you using Greg doorge there? There is a reason

1179
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: Andy Isabella is still on the roster. Yes, I mean,

1180
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: Willie be there the whole time. We'll see. But there's

1181
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: a reason they haven't just gotten rid of them, probably

1182
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: the same reason the Patriots haven't just gotten rid of

1183
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: nikkil Harry. I mean why why you know you might

1184
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: need them? Yes, that's right. Don't make these until Andy

1185
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: Isabella and I didn't get to see him until I

1186
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: saw the the uh the pictures from the first day

1187
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: at workouts. He's jacked. Somebody else said that what pic

1188
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: What pictures are you referring to? Look at the first

1189
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: day of of voluntary workouts dot Cardinals dot com. Okay,

1190
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: so you're saying he's winning the offseason. He's more jack

1191
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: than you, Paul, because you know I have been Thank

1192
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: you for noticing Darren. I have been in the gym

1193
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:51,479
Speaker 1: five six days a week, four hours Paul, once again

1194
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: for breakfast today. We have now come full circle on

1195
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground because it is smoke screen season when I've

1196
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: been called both tall and yoked in the same podcast.

1197
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: Speaking of what did you have for breakfast? Are you

1198
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: back to having scones? Is that what you had for

1199
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: breakfast is scarning? All right? So, um, you gave up

1200
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,439
Speaker 1: for Lent. I do have an aversion to the grocery store,

1201
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: I will say that. So I've only been once and

1202
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: they were out. They were out of the scones. Scones,

1203
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: and so I may have had one or one dozen

1204
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: chocolate chip cookies, but the scones not yet. So there

1205
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, that's uh. I was disciplined. I mean

1206
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: I had my mask of discipline on for all of Lent, Danny.

1207
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, don't minimize exactly. I'm so. I

1208
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: was very excited for the thought of you finally having

1209
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: a scone. I can't wait to hear when you finally do.

1210
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was genuine or not genuine, Paul,

1211
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm never anything, but yeah, it's so genuine. I was

1212
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: looking here at the notes. See if I missed anything.

1213
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: We looked over the block wall into the NFC West. Yes,

1214
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: we looked into the last place Seahawks backyard already. What

1215
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: about the forty nine ers and Deebo Samuel? Anybody have

1216
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: a prediction and expectation When John Lynch says I just

1217
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: can't ever imagine moving on from debo, do you think

1218
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: they make it? Do you mean, do you think they

1219
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: made it make a debo trade during the draft? No? Okay,

1220
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: just a random question. They're gonna need debo with Trey Lands.

1221
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: There are a lot of teams that have multiple first

1222
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: round picks, and they do have the draft capital too.

1223
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: They've kept their powder dry, like these wide receivers are

1224
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: going to go off the board pretty quickly. By the way,

1225
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: the Niners picked up the fifth year option on Nick Bosa,

1226
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: he was the number two pick twenty nineteen. The Jets

1227
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: picked up the fifth year option Quinn and Williams. He

1228
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: used the number three pick twenty nineteen, who was the

1229
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: number one pick twenty nineteen. Murray, Okay, is the fifth

1230
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: year option gonna be picked up sometimes soon? That deadline

1231
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: is May second second? Yeah, correct, I mean that's just

1232
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: a formality, right, as a formality. Okay, when I when

1233
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: I hear Quinn and Williams, I just smile because I

1234
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: think of that draft video where he sneezes mid interview

1235
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: and he said bless you, thank you to himself, and

1236
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: it's just the greatest thing. I actually miss that, right,

1237
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: So I got to write that down. I need to

1238
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: see them. He sneezes, right, and while he's talking, he

1239
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: sneezes and he goes, bless you, thank you, and then

1240
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: he just carries on. All right. So I have a

1241
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: couple homework assignments, find that, find the India Isabella Jacked photos,

1242
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: what else? What other sort of homework and a scone.

1243
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: There you go, deserve it. These things always happen in threes.

1244
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: There you go. Okay, Uh, it's been duly noted here

1245
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: and so well, I see you guys out at the

1246
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: draft party on Thursday night. I will be here, yeah,

1247
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: Craigory Leman and I will have UM shows all three days.

1248
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: Cardinal sorry yep, Cardinals Uh well asy Cardinals dot com

1249
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: are I believe on YouTube and Twitter as well, Um

1250
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: Cardinals Draft Central. So those will be starting. I would

1251
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: just say stay tuned on our social media's for specific time.

1252
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: We'll be starting those streams while the Cardinals are still

1253
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: on the clock, only with a few minutes left before

1254
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: those picks. So there'll be thirty minute show Thursday night,

1255
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: two thirty minute shows one before each pick on day two,

1256
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: and then one hour long show with and throughout the weekend.

1257
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: At some point both both of you will will be

1258
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: making appearances as well. Whether you knew that or not,

1259
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: so easy Cornels dot Com stay locked in for that

1260
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: and Darren you'll have articles and Paul you'll be at

1261
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: the draft party, some quick slants me and Paul are doing. Yep. Oh,

1262
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: is that what it is? Okay, I really need to

1263
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: look at that schedule. I'm gonna look at it. I'm

1264
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: taking it one day at a time. Here, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a busy week in fact, you know,

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Speaker 1: in terms of cross promotions and speaking of the draft

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Speaker 1: party out of the stadium, it's the Draft Weekend Country

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Speaker 1: concert presented by SeatGeek. It's gonna be going down on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: that's April thirtieth. This coming Saturday, Ryan heard Lanco, Khalista

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Speaker 1: Clark all part of the great lineups. So four tickets

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Speaker 1: and all the info go to Sportsman's Park az dot com.

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Speaker 1: That's Sportsman's Park az dot com. So there you go,

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Speaker 1: Craig ReLU, you're still listening, you can go ahead and

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Speaker 1: get your tickets accordingly at that website. Otherwise, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: come out. I'm gonna come out guns a blazing. And

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Speaker 1: if I don't have anything to say, Danny, just remember

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Speaker 1: between you and me, my strategy when I come on

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Speaker 1: with you guys, whatever Griolo says, I'm just going to disagree.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be a contrarian to whatever griel who does.

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Speaker 1: That'll be my approach. Okay, sort of like what you

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Speaker 1: and Darren have you come here on Cardinal's Underground. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. I feel like we

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Speaker 1: have a perfect comisation. I feel like we've been agreeing

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Speaker 1: a little more than usual though the last couple I'm

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Speaker 1: some some things. Good thing I wasn't on that draft

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Speaker 1: road trip or I mean the Combine road trip you

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Speaker 1: two must have been. Uh he must have been like

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Speaker 1: the Pickerson's there in Rowe thirty seven of that of

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Speaker 1: that flight on the way out. And that'll do it

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Speaker 1: for this edition of Cardinals Underground. I'm brought to you

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