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Speaker 1: Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,

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Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Well, Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello.

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Speaker 3: Holly crew, and welcome to another episode of Call It.

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Speaker 1: Call It. It's a very special one.

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Speaker 2: It's a super dubler.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like, I mean, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: jink stuff, but you know, I feel like it's just

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Speaker 1: one of those ones where you're like slam dunk at

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Speaker 1: the start.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Well, also, we should preface us as ask and we

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Speaker 3: shall deliver. And this guest has been asked for since

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Speaker 3: we since the beginning of the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Really, so we should start it with You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome everybody.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome everyone. This is You're Welcome. Today on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: we have none other than Kim Kim.

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Speaker 4: Ki.

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Speaker 2: I can rave about you for this. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to be here. You guys, you're fucking

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Speaker 2: rock stars. Am I allowed to first of all swear

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Speaker 2: all the time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so.

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Speaker 2: Impressive what you guys are doing. And I'm so excited

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Speaker 2: to be here with the two of you. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's a great, it's a it's a great it's just

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Speaker 2: really it's a hard thing to do to sort of

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Speaker 2: get yourself going with a second job while you're doing

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Speaker 2: a full time job. And I think it's just a

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Speaker 2: huge sort of advocation for women, which is very much

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Speaker 2: who the two of you are. So I love you.

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Speaker 2: I love you.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I have a pride, have a permanent

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Speaker 1: smile on my face right now. My face kind of

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Speaker 1: hurts from smiling and goosebumps from you saying that, And

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Speaker 1: that is so exactly what I think that you would say.

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Speaker 1: And who if I know you to be and who

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Speaker 1: I believe you to be. And I just you started

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Speaker 1: talking and I got immediately transported to something I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that was coming in my brain, which was that

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Speaker 1: when you came to Grace, I was so excited, Like

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Speaker 1: I was so excited to have you as a friend.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you start to work with people,

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Speaker 1: you know you're gonna work so you have that first

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Speaker 1: layer of like, oh my gosh, we're gonna work together

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Speaker 1: and is that gonna be good? And then you have

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Speaker 1: this total bonus layer, which is that you enjoy the person.

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Speaker 1: And I just so immediately enjoyed you, and I just

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Speaker 1: remember truly us finding ways to like could we go

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Speaker 1: to an exercise class. Could we go on a walk together?

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Speaker 1: Could we? And then we had kids around the same age,

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Speaker 1: and I just remember having so many other parts of

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Speaker 1: our lives that we would share with each other, which

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Speaker 1: was so great outside of work, but then also at

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Speaker 1: work and having a shorthand about when one of us

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Speaker 1: speaking of you being women and advocating for each other,

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Speaker 1: is that no matter what we do, whether we're whether

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Speaker 1: we're outside of work, we're partners, or we're parents or whatever,

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Speaker 1: we have other responsibilities while we're at work. So we're

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Speaker 1: actually we're wearing so many different hats. And it was

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Speaker 1: so great to be in conversation and relationship with someone

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Speaker 1: when you would be like, I don't even have words

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Speaker 1: it was like you immediately give grace. You're like you go,

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Speaker 2: Were you were amazing. I mean that's also another you

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Speaker 2: were so welcoming and so just like, let's dive in together.

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Speaker 2: And to be able to come to a huge show,

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Speaker 2: you know, it was really it was it was I

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Speaker 2: And it's funny because I had come from twenty four

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Speaker 2: this is what I'm I've been trying to sort of like,

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Speaker 2: Am I putting them in my ears? And she's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm so Type A. Show those. I get my little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course she didn't.

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Speaker 1: Well, now you're reminding me that also, the listeners always

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Speaker 1: no more than I do, Kim, I don't remember all

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Speaker 3: because I've been sitting here listening to how welcoming Jessica was.

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Speaker 2: I knew you were going to do this started instantly.

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Speaker 2: I just loved you and I but I just all

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Speaker 2: I'm saying is is that would have been nice? You

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Speaker 1: Look at where we ended up.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, are you if am our story or

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Speaker 2: are you pulling up like, what's your what's our our

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Speaker 2: story or our story? I don't even know how we

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Speaker 2: make friends forever? How can you me too? Well, maybe

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Speaker 2: it was through this one that one. No, it's not

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Speaker 2: me this story we didn't like to. Yeah, but isn't

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Speaker 3: So that also is like kudos to you, know, But

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Speaker 3: this is this is actually why I have this friendship

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Speaker 3: I just we're walking over here, and I have the

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Speaker 3: same relationship with you, and it makes friendship so much easier.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because I don't have to seck.

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Speaker 2: Second guess, like what you're thinking. If you're mad at me,

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Speaker 2: I know you're gonna be like Camilla, you're driving me

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Speaker 2: and you're just so unbelievably like unabashedly straightforward. And sometimes

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Speaker 2: you're like, ah, it's this or that?

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Speaker 1: Or are you also are recovering people?

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Speaker 2: Please, sir, I just talked about this.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sorry. I mean I could also said, are

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Speaker 1: you still in people?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm better at it. I'm much better at it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm much better at because I remember.

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Speaker 1: I fickd up. You know what I did this thing

438
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: I actually didn't mean to, or you know what I

439
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: did this thing I actually really meant to. I don't

440
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: know what happened. I saw something I saw red, I

441
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: didn't I my my my thinking brain went offline. I

442
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 1: don't know what to tell you, but it was a

443
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 1: mistake and I'm so sorry and I'm sorry that it

444
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: affected you and I'm just sorry. Can we like start

445
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 1: over or can we reset or can you please forgive me?

446
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: Or and the accountability and then and then that's real relationship.

447
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: And I saw that very much in the I saw

448
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: that in the Teddy and Christina friendship. I mean it

449
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 1: definitely was. I mean, you were I always remember being

450
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: senior in it. But I loved that friction.

451
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: I love to think I was senior because of just

452
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: the dynamic I was in attendee where she was.

453
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I'm saying you were senior, but you

454
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: would still fight. She would still yes, Like we talked

455
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: a lot about challenge. I never grew up with people

456
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: who fought in a healthy way. I grew up with

457
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: people who fought and they got mad and then they left,

458
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: or they got mad and then they got silent, or

459
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: they got mad and they fill in the blank. But

460
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: it was never healthy anger. And it's so interesting because

461
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: when I see my kids fight, I want to go

462
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: just make up, just make up, just make up. And

463
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: I've realized that I need to adjust. I need to adjust.

464
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: I need to say, you know what you're gonna fight,

465
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: so fight well, right, like, what do you really mean?

466
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: What really hurt? How do you how could you make it.

467
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: Up to her that there's not pun in expressing yourself

468
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 2: or that there's not punishment in I think what I'm

469
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: hearing you say, which I think is really an interesting thing,

470
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: is that there is going to be friction throughout a

471
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 2: long sort of existing deep relationship or friendship, and it's

472
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: it's how are you in those moments and who are you?

473
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: And do you have grace? Also, I think sometimes when

474
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: the when you can see that the other person is

475
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: doing something that might be hurtful or this or that,

476
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 2: but having grace because you've been through that so you

477
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: understand that and that you can then you know, find forgiveness.

478
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: I think that that's a really yeah, that is a

479
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: really beautiful dynamic and an interesting growth thing.

480
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: Forgiveness is really hard. I think forgiveness is really really,

481
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: really really hard, and I think that it's the true forgiveness.

482
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: I think that you can say I forgive you, and

483
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: sometimes actually just saying it will get you there. But

484
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: I think true, like deep forgiveness is really hard to

485
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: get to. And I think that and I think that

486
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: it brings up actually something Camilla was starting to talk

487
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: to you about, and I said, stop, don't ask her

488
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: the question.

489
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 3: My first question for you is when you look at

490
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 3: Teddy's your experience with Teddy, do you see it in

491
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 3: two parts or right now? To you?

492
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: Is it one long journey? It's one long journey. Interesting, Okay,

493
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: that's to me what's so incredible and really an anomaly

494
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 2: of this show there is I don't think there is

495
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 2: very very few shows where an actor or a creator

496
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: has the opportunity to follow through on a life journey,

497
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: especially now if you look at television, you know there

498
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: are seven episodes, ten episodes, limited series, three years of

499
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: a series. But that's only ten episodes. I mean in

500
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 2: my experience of television, and when I was first starting,

501
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: there was usually like twenty four episodes. But to get

502
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: to a twenty four episode for several years also was

503
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: an anomaly. So to have a show that has gone

504
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: on for twenty two years and you know it's fluctuated

505
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 2: between twenty four episodes twenty six to you know, eighteen

506
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 2: to whatever that is, but you're still telling the story

507
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: over a period of that amount of time. So for me,

508
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: like Teddy's life was still continuous even when she wasn't

509
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: present on the show. Yeah, you know, she having a

510
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: full life in Germany, right, so that that very much

511
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: exists for me. Was I off on my own playing Teddy?

512
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: No, but I have a but when you're in that

513
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: character you did monogue exactly, I didn't take you. This

514
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 3: is the other thing that we talked about, because did

515
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 3: it take any convincing to say yes to come back?

516
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 3: Because there's like a little bit of Sage Camilla that'd

517
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 3: be like, you know what, you lost me.

518
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: As I love that part of you.

519
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: But by the way, that's not the right thing to do.

520
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 3: That's like a very immature thing. Like you know, but

521
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 3: when you say sage, is that like Sagittarius or like Sage.

522
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: No likesarious, like we're stubborn.

523
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: But just so I'm clear, you're you're saying, you're saying

524
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: that when Kim got the phone call saying hey, please,

525
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: we need you back here at Seattle whatever it was

526
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: called it, that's yes, you are saying that you're imagining

527
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: a world in which she was like, sorry, you already

528
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: lost me. Yes, okay, so what did you actually do, Kim?

529
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: It's again, I think I've been I've been doing this,

530
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 2: I mean sort of since I was thirteen, I mean

531
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: even before that, but I don't consider that sort of

532
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: like child actors. That was a totally different thing. And

533
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: I think, you know, it's like I can recognize an

534
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: amazing gift when it's there. Yeah, And that's not to

535
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: say that I've made all the right but in that moment,

536
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, thank you very much, I'll be there,

537
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: tell me what time. Yes, it was it was a

538
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: for me, it was a no brainer. And that's also

539
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about in sort of like maturity and

540
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: like the amazing thing of like getting years under your

541
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: belt because as it's myralessun you're tired, right, because maybe

542
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: before i'd be like, I think I'm so this sort

543
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that that's what you're you know, no,

544
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: I know I'm but what I am saying is is

545
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: the immature thing to do, like to have the reaction

546
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: of like I've felt that way.

547
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. When I left Grace, I

548
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: was a little bit like let's flip a table. I

549
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: flip a table. If someone all of a sudden turned around,

550
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: like the next season was like, hey, just kidding, can

551
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: you come back?

552
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: I'd be like, no, Yeah, I think it's like that's

553
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: a human reaction to have. And I was just wondering

554
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: if there's always I think we always want to feel wanted.

555
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just that is just ay hold on.

556
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: But also I think that I'm not just blowing smoke here.

557
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: I really do think this is perhaps I just want

558
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: to imagine might have also been at play, was that

559
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: when you came to the show, you are I'm really

560
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: not just saying, it's like you're such a phenomenal actor

561
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: and you bring so much to everything you do. You

562
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: you have had and so many different storylines that went

563
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: just they were just beautiful stories. And then there was

564
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: this sort of moment where you know, when Scott Foley's

565
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: character passed, there was like this heaviness and there was

566
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: this like and you had become It wasn't like a

567
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: binary relationship, but it was just such an a committed

568
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: and important relationship. So then when you left after it,

569
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: it wasn't so much like you got sent off. It

570
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: was like that thing kind of like that story closed

571
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: in such a sad way, But then when you came back,

572
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: it was like you had never been gone, So it

573
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,239
Speaker 1: was just sort of like this this this picking up

574
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: of another thread, like there wasn't. It was almost like

575
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: who could have who could have ever known it was

576
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: gonna gone for twenty two plus years, but like it wasn't.

577
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't a thing. There wasn't a There wasn't like

578
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: this big departure moment or something.

579
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: But that also is the beauty of our show. It's

580
00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: almost like the old school theater company where people you

581
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: come and go and there's there's actors who have the

582
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: highlighted role at that whatever that play is, and then

583
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: you know, then there's another they use another actor and

584
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: and it's it's being malleable in that moment of when

585
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: you're when it's your moment story thing, and trying to

586
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: take the ego out of it and really being then

587
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: supportive as the ensemble player. And I think that that also, look,

588
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: I think ego is a really an amazing thing. It

589
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: We need it when we especially as an actor, when

590
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: you've got to walk in that room and you've got

591
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: to you know, a million auditions, and then there's ego

592
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: that gets in your way. Yeah, And I think that

593
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: that's where it's really having to do self checking of

594
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: when is it when is that ego standing in the way,

595
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: because maybe you'r you know, the sixth banana in the

596
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: back of during a E O R E ER scene.

597
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. It's it's what are you doing in

598
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: that moment, you know, and if if you I don't know,

599
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: I just think it's really important. And I think especially now,

600
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: there's just so many things in flux and uh, just

601
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: globally right, So it's it's uh, it's it's taking those

602
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: moments that we get to create and and really using

603
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: and I don't know, for me, there's a huge gratitude

604
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: of it because you also you know the journey, the

605
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: life journey of actors. It's just sort of this like

606
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: ebb and flow and so when when you're when you're flowing,

607
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: you better get on that surfboard. Man. It's just sort

608
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: of I've been both.

609
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: By the way, when you said six banana in the back,

610
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: I have been. I've I've I've played. So I guess

611
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is I've been human, but I've played

612
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: with being in the sixth row and being like having

613
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: done my sense memory exercise before we started having bring

614
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: props to work, even though they had them there, Like,

615
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: I've been so deep in it, and then I've had

616
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: moments where I was like playing Candy Crush, like but

617
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: underneath the table, like so present, and then sometimes not,

618
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: and I've actually I'm as much as I'm hard on

619
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: myself for the moments that I paid Candy Crush, because

620
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: that's not what you're supposed to do at work. I'm like, well, okay,

621
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: I did that because I was being human, And now

622
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: I know I actually know what I what feels right,

623
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: what the balance is because because it is so particular

624
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: to you, I was trying to tea up the moment,

625
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: Camilla that you and I were both in tears rewatching

626
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: the episode.

627
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 3: It was the episode that you left in and you

628
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: had this scene with Owen and he comes in and oh, yes, yeah, yeah,

629
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 3: you got to say cute. But I feel like you

630
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: say something that's like yeah, like packs a punch for

631
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: our ABC show at whatever time it was on. And

632
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: so we just rewatched that episode and I hadn't seen

633
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 3: in one billion years, and your acting is so phenomenal.

634
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: I texted Kim after I saw it, Oh you did

635
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: you did?

636
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 4: Yes?

637
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: I did, Yes, I'll look at my text, I said,

638
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, we just we did rewatch.

639
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: Titled flight. Oh wait, it's it's the it's the the

640
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: Plan episode.

641
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: Yes, because you there's all this life happening in the

642
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: woods on the plane crush, but then there's all this

643
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: life happening at the hospital and he comes in and

644
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: he wants you to go and.

645
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: Aspires you yes, and you and you have to like

646
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: your best friend and then come back in.

647
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: Yes, but it's almost like you forgive him, and it's like,

648
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: for me, what that's what I think I was trying

649
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: to get to is that for me, what I was

650
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: imagining was that you were so hurt by him in

651
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: this moment, and then you go and somehow this transformative,

652
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: almost incredibly graceful forgiveness happens where you come back and

653
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: you're able to do exactly what we were talking about,

654
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 1: which is say, friend, I know that you're doing.

655
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: Give me girls clubs. Yeah, it was the writing of that.

656
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 2: I was going to say, the writing that's again Shondaland

657
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: it's just incredible. They have this there, the capability of

658
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: of doing our fked up moments and our hero moments simultaneously, right,

659
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: and they are so aligned in life, those those those

660
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: those things are so aligned. And what I love one

661
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: of the many things. But what I love is that

662
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: the show highlights that. And I think that's why our

663
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: fans lean into it still after this many years, because uh,

664
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: you know, hopefully we do have our highlight moments and

665
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: our you know, our fallen moments. And I think that

666
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: that's a really it's like a it's a beautiful it's

667
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing to get to play. It's a beautiful

668
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 2: thing to watch, and it's a beautiful thing to experience

669
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: as an actor because it reminds you. Also, it's a

670
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: it's a very it's a it's the humanity of it.

671
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's so good.

672
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: I when I was watching it too, I remember thinking like,

673
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: of course they bought her back. Yeah, Like it was

674
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: like the story was not finished. Sometimes we have these

675
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 3: exits on our show that feel like, Okay, I get

676
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: it that that feels like right, like goodbye, But that exit,

677
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 3: I was like, oh no, like there.

678
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 2: Was more, for there was so much more.

679
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 3: How much of filming that scene since it was going

680
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: to be the last episode and you didn't know you

681
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: were coming back, was Kim and then how much of

682
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: that was Teddy.

683
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: God, I just have to interrupt. Do you remember the

684
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: table read for the last episode.

685
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: Was I like, I could I not get it out?

686
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: I think I blocked it out.

687
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: Well, because I'm sure you did. I mean, I want

688
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: my Now. Do you remember we were in the car,

689
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: We were right off the commissary, Remember when we just

690
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: sometimes in the big room and sometimes right off the commissary.

691
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: And I don't think, really I remember people not even

692
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: really knowing what was gonna happen, and so we were

693
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: and we just got those scripts and I don't think

694
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: any of us knew how it was all gonna go,

695
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: and it was just like waterworks. You know that scene?

696
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: Do you remember that scene in the O r Uh

697
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: where Teddy has to go and see him. He's it's

698
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: almost like a morgue, right, and she yells at the

699
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: nurse who's in there to get out? Oh I remember,

700
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: you know, As an actor, it's like, you know, you

701
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: sort of need that moment to kind of like get

702
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: into this heavy dude. And bor Scott Foley was like

703
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: under this sheet and he just he had to hold

704
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: his breath. Oh no, And there's this whole moment where

705
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: if I have to fold back like, I sit down,

706
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: I take off my screen. Kim, I would not be

707
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: able to do this, though I would, we would not

708
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: be able to do it.

709
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 4: When I got my scrub cap, I like fold back

710
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 4: the sheet slowly and it's he's full on and I

711
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 4: am like tears or sting, and he at the end

712
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 4: of it, he's like, oh my god, Kim Raver, He's like,

713
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 4: could you cry Cracker, He goes, I can't hold my bro.

714
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: I don't even remember what he said, being it was

715
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: just it was such a moment. I mean, we had

716
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 2: so many moments where I was not supposed to be

717
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: Like there was another scene. It is one of the

718
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: funniest bloopers where he's because you know his character was

719
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 2: and there is nothing funny about any of this, right,

720
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: but you know his his character was like lying on

721
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: the bed and he had all you know, he was

722
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 2: really sick and he was like really like at the end, right,

723
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: and I had his water and like a strong just

724
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: it was really late at night on a Friday night.

725
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: We were shooting really long hours and you guys, I

726
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: got the giggles. Oh no, it's terrifying. It's terrifying, really

727
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: is I don't know if people understand, but it's like

728
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: the place where you are absolutely not. And it was

729
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: like Friday at everything, and everyone is like whole grade

730
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: is counting on you not bing it up, and like

731
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: because everyone wants to go home and the more. And

732
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: he was like camera, it's Friday night. And I was like,

733
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: I know, I'm sorry. I mean, I just it was

734
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: like tears were streaming down my face because I couldn't

735
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 2: stop laughing. Yeah, there's been a couple of those.

736
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I can tell you that. I mean, just

737
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: along those lines that my last episode. Yeah, it was

738
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: very hard to be Arizona.

739
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was that like for you?

740
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: I was just so sad. Yeah, I was just overtaken

741
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 1: by sad. I was sad.

742
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: I was confused.

743
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: I was I wanted, I wanted to do whatever I

744
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: thought was like I whatever going with Grace looked like

745
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: I wanted. I wanted to I wanted to go with

746
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 1: Grace at the same time that I was so sad

747
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 1: and confused, and so it was. I think I remember

748
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: it being very hard to show up as my character

749
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: because I also felt such a great responsibility to her.

750
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: I felt like such a great responsibility to have her

751
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: be like the very best Arizona she ever was, because

752
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: I knew it was going to be the last.

753
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: Do you guys feel attached like I feel vary it.

754
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: Do you feel attached to your characters, especially because it's

755
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 2: different than doing a play and then you say goodbye

756
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: or whatever it's it's it's such a long so you

757
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 2: feel attached to them. I definitely do.

758
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: But one thing I've gotten really good at is in

759
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 3: the early days when people were like, I hate Joe Wilson,

760
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 3: I'd like, no, could not be Bro's fits on the street.

761
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: You know, It's like and now that's when I was

762
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: first on the show, And then I am so attached

763
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 3: to her and I'm so okay with people not liking her,

764
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 3: and so that feels very freeing. Actually, So I feel

765
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: like I have a healthy, healthy attachment. How do you

766
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 3: How do you feel like you got to that place

767
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: being on the show for five hundred years? Yeah, and

768
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: understanding that a lot of our storylines. Well, the truth

769
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 3: thing is when you're on the show for that long,

770
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: your character is going to fuck up. They're going to

771
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: do stuff that the audience hates, and you're gonna get

772
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 3: people with very strong opinions and and and we've talked

773
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 3: about how you end up having to be sort of

774
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 3: like your number one fan right for your own character.

775
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 3: So whatever she does, if she does something up that

776
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: the audience don't like, I'm still rooting for whatever she's doing,

777
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: you know. And so I think it came from do

778
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 3: you okay if you read stuff online and it's like Teddy,

779
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: do you have that like feeling?

780
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I have I have a rule from

781
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: theater days where I just I really try not to

782
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: read anything. Ye don't read the reviews, don't and why

783
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 2: don't read reviews? But once in a while on Instagram

784
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: it's like someone's munting. Yeah, I mean, and it's interesting

785
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: because I do feel like I also have that distance

786
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: now from it because playing so long. And I think also,

787
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: I think it's you know, it's I love hearing from

788
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: the fans of why they're angry at ted especially how

789
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: about when Teddy was cheat, had that terrible cheat. I mean,

790
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: I was upset with Teddy, right, But that also is

791
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: so fascinating to me, And that is what is an

792
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: interesting character. I mean, a do gooder all the time, okay,

793
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: but not as interesting, not as interesting to play, not

794
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 2: as interesting to watch. But again, I think what's cool

795
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: about the show is the moments where the character is

796
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: falling from grace and people are really upset, and I

797
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: think that that's actually a good thing. So now I

798
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: try to lean into it. And when I read it,

799
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: what was that number one moment for you? Was it

800
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: that of people being upset with There have been more

801
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: than one. No, I think that that was the that

802
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: was people were really upset, really angry. And you know

803
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: what I think. I was like, yes, I agree with you,

804
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: I agree with you and so but I but it's

805
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: having enough trust in the writers that I mean, like,

806
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: first I have to ask myself, well, what is what

807
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: is what is my role facilitating? What does it need

808
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: to facilitate? Not whether I like what she's doing or

809
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: not doing right. I've gotten to the place, I think

810
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: where maybe that's not the most important thing. Again, like

811
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: where are you fitting in in the community of telling

812
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: the stories? And how is that? How? What do what

813
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: does the story need to be to facilitate that?

814
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 4: Now?

815
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 2: Am I human and you know you we want people

816
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: to root for you, Yes, I do, I do it,

817
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: But also I found it really for me. Then that's

818
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 2: that's the interesting journey. That's the storytelling. That's the thing

819
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: of like, okay, well, how do we dig her out

820
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 2: of this hole? How does you know what I mean?

821
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: How does she earn back trust and forgiveness? And does

822
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 2: that Can that help someone out there who's going through

823
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: the exact same thing, who when they're watching it, feel

824
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: really in an awful, terrible place because they made a

825
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: terrible mistake and are also trying to navigate their way

826
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: back into a better relationship, a better understanding of who

827
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 2: they are. And so yeah, when I when you see it,

828
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: you're like, oh no, please, you know, I don't want

829
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: to see it. But then I try to think of, like, okay, well,

830
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: what stories can can we tell that will then be

831
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: interesting and relatable and juicy and deep and and you know,

832
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: full what would be a good full meal to tell now?

833
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 2: And that is something that this show does a really

834
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: good job of, is not. I feel that all the

835
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: characters don't have to play the same note and that

836
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 2: used to be And I don't know whether you guys

837
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: feel this way in sort of like years ago, And

838
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: maybe it's because these women roles are much more dynamic

839
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: and diverse and richer, and they're not just a girlfriend

840
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: or like they are much more just fuller and well

841
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: written characters and not when I say before, I'm not

842
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: talking about our show. I'm talking about like in the.

843
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: Day you're talking about I know, I knew that you

844
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: weren't saying that because Shanda, I feel like as one

845
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 3: of the guys spearheaded yes, women being so I mean,

846
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: like the fact that Meredith Gray, you know, and the

847
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 3: whole like that's slow storyline and like yeah last season

848
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 3: when she gets called a slut, you know, and she's like,

849
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 3: I hadn't seen that on TV yet. No, Cam, we're

850
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 3: gonna stop you right there, because we're gonna make this

851
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 3: a very special two parter.

852
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: Because it's too good.

853
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: Sometimes when it's this nice, you have to do it

854
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 3: twice exactly right, So tune in Wednesday for part two.

855
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: Jess, let's call it the end of this episode. Of

856
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: this episode,