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Speaker 1: It's a passing league, and right now the Cardinals don't

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Speaker 1: have a passing game. Welcome bird Gang. On today's show,

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Speaker 1: Paul calBC joins me he was in Seattle and stay dry.

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Speaker 1: What did it look like from his vantage point on

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Speaker 1: the sidelines. The defense played well enough to win, the

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Speaker 1: offense did not. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode six eighty nine,

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Speaker 1: and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Who to Baker?

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Speaker 1: What Heart?

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Speaker 2: What rent?

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Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five.

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Speaker 3: He's it again? So far hurry magic?

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Speaker 2: Whoa, here's Craig griolud.

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Speaker 1: So Paul, how was Seattle up until kickoff on Sunday?

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Speaker 2: No rain?

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Speaker 3: So no complaints? Can I? Honestly, I'll just leave it

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Speaker 3: right there. Even the sign guy I totally ignored, although

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Speaker 3: Taylor Swift would never date zach Ertz.

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Speaker 1: So that's a solid one.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, come on a national tight end day, two. Really.

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Speaker 3: no need for sunglasses either. I definitely wouldn't want to

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Speaker 3: I'll just leave it there. It's funny you mentioned the

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Speaker 3: weather because that was a bit of a talking point

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Speaker 3: during the NFL Kickoff show, because in addition to yourself,

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Speaker 3: we worry about our colleague Denny Surrek, who does pregame

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Speaker 3: hits from the sideline, and Finnlood the exc all week long.

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Speaker 3: There was a heat wave earlier in Seattle, and then

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Speaker 3: I wake up Sunday, okay, cloudy, and all of a

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Speaker 3: sudden I checked it when I got to the studio,

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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, I see one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: chance at ten am, ninety five percent chance at eleven am,

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Speaker 3: and then clear the rest of the day. It's like,

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Speaker 3: what the heck is going on? And it became a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a topic during the pregame. But no precipitation.

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Speaker 3: Well here's and I tried to tell Danny this, and

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Speaker 3: of course, you know she I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 3: She's just not buying into some of the wisdom of yours. Truly,

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Speaker 3: she's trying to tell me at Cardinals Underground early in

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Speaker 3: the week that, oh boy, here's the forecast. Don't believe

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Speaker 3: on Saturday evening. Then maybe you can start buying into

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Speaker 3: what you see. But to your point, even the game

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Speaker 1: Wonder why we're talking about the weather here to begin,

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Covered two presented by a Hyundai probably partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, because we are trying to delay as

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Speaker 1: much as possible the outcome on Sunday. But more than

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Speaker 1: the outcome, the performance. Losing is one thing to the

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Speaker 1: Seattle Sea Twenty to ten is the final, but now

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Speaker 3: So there was one possession, one Cardinals offensive drive that

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Speaker 1: It's easy to diagnose the problem. And you brought up

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Speaker 3: I think it was the second play of the game.

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Speaker 3: it could be cataclysmic, it could be euphoric. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: It's plug and play as far as least right now,

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Speaker 3: We didn't necessarily see the Cardinals killing themselves with penalties

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Speaker 1: Jobs Dobbs postgame about the number of takeaways not resulting

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Speaker 3: It's already a Monday. It can always get worse.

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Speaker 1: Here we go, Well, Mike, after what you hear what

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Speaker 1: There are twelve teams, including the Cardinals, who have a

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Speaker 3: Wow, let that hang in the air. And that was

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Speaker 3: good defense? Atlanta's issue really as Desmond rid of the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: So pick a spot, you know, Demiico Ryans in Houston,

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Speaker 3: you know. But once again, at this point, Kyler is back.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's a big question. It'll probably get asked,

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Speaker 3: it won't get answered. Oh, Clayton tun thing. But in

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Speaker 3: terms of a quarterback change that's coming, I think it

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Speaker 3: is fair to wonder is it only Kyler or could

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Speaker 3: you see Clayton toon. It's a fair time topic of conversation.

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Speaker 3: It's a fair question to ask.

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Speaker 1: It was a topic by one caller on Cardinal Talk,

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Speaker 1: and it was late in the show. Surprise that it

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Speaker 1: wasn't brought up earlier because to your point, there was

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Speaker 1: a part in that first half right before Dobbs's twenty

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Speaker 1: five yard touchdown run based off the inaccuracy because Dobbs

445
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Speaker 1: was two of nine in the first half throwing the football.

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Speaker 1: That excuse me, two of nine at the end of

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Speaker 1: the first quarter throwing the football to the point where

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Speaker 1: I was beginning to think, do we see Clayton tune

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Speaker 1: just to give a different look, maybe a different spark

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Speaker 1: to this offense. It's not a start, It's coming in

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Speaker 1: after your starting quarterback is struggling. But to your point,

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Speaker 1: win is a good time. But I do think now,

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Speaker 1: based off we think at least I'm expecting that Kyler

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Speaker 1: will be back within this next to three weeks, that

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Speaker 1: is it worth it? Do you risk losing a rookie

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Speaker 1: quarterback against a Ravens defense, a Browns defense. Do you

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Speaker 1: do more harm than good in the long term? But yeah,

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Speaker 1: you do kind of want to get a sense of

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Speaker 1: what you have because I think the fan base right now,

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Speaker 1: Paul is all right, we've seen what Dobbs can do.

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Speaker 1: What's behind door number two.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though, if you have to worry about

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Speaker 3: the mental psyche, right him being fragile, that fragile fragiley,

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Speaker 3: If you have to worry about that, then he's probably

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Speaker 3: not the guy. And it's not like he's a top

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Speaker 3: five pick. He's a fifth round rookie quarterback. So if

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Speaker 3: he's a top five pick and you've just paid him

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Speaker 3: two hundred million dollars in your ultra concern about is

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Speaker 3: the state of his mentals going forward, and you're not

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Speaker 3: willing to risk but this is a day three pick.

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Speaker 3: Throw him out there. He's already beat the odds just

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Speaker 3: making the fifty three, and he's a five year college

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Speaker 3: guy who had fifty plus starts at Houston. He's more

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Speaker 3: mature than most rookie quarterbacks. So I'm not necessarily as

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Speaker 3: concerned about losing him quote unquote if you throw him

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Speaker 3: out there and he gets embarrassed or he gets dominated.

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Speaker 3: I'll say this much though. What's worse throwing the rookie

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Speaker 3: quarterback out there or having Marquise Hollywood Brown, who had

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Speaker 3: four catches on eleven targets the week before this week

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Speaker 3: against Seattle. He had three catches on seven targets, but

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Speaker 3: you know he was consistently beating Tarik Wollen. He really

482
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Speaker 3: was tariek Wollen six ' four Ryan the four to

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Speaker 3: two six was a pro bowler. Last year as a rookie,

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Speaker 3: Marquise Hollywood Brown beat him a number of times, didn't

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Speaker 3: have enough catches to show for it. Trey McBride had

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Speaker 3: three catches on six targets. You saw how athletic Trey

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Speaker 3: McBride was. And then once again Michael Wilson five targets,

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Speaker 3: only three catches. You know, if the balls in his vicinity,

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Speaker 3: he's making the grabs. So you have to ask yourself,

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Speaker 3: if you're the Cardinals, how are we gonna maximize our

491
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Speaker 3: weapons because right now it's not happening. We have enough

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Speaker 3: talent at receiver end tight end to move the football,

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Speaker 3: but it's not happening. Why why not? What can you do?

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Speaker 3: Can he institute a short passing game to start the game,

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Speaker 3: where once again, as you said, he started two for

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Speaker 3: nine eight for eight in the first half, But it

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Speaker 3: looked to me like they did try a number of

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Speaker 3: short passes and even those didn't connect. For whatever reason.

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Speaker 1: We did see albeit brief. Clayton Tune in this game,

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Speaker 1: his first NFL action, his first NFL pass attempts a

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Speaker 1: completion on that fake punt again, fourth and nine near midfield.

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Speaker 1: I don't mind the decision to go forward, even though

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Speaker 1: you still had all three of your timeouts five minutes

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Speaker 1: to go at that point, it's a one score game,

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Speaker 1: your down, one score. Play call of the play execution.

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Speaker 1: And it was interesting to hear or read on Easycardinals

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Speaker 1: dot com because Darren Urban had a chance to talk

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Speaker 1: with Michael Wilson on that, because it was Wilson who

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Speaker 1: was the recipients of the four yard completion. He came

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Speaker 1: up five yards short. Michael Wilson, according to Darren's story,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't get into details, but did say he wasn't the

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Speaker 1: first read on the play. Does that going back to

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Speaker 1: your point give you pause? Now, again, it's a fake punt,

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Speaker 1: but it is reading what the defense is showing you.

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Speaker 1: Did the Cardinals get a glimpse of what Clayton Tune

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Speaker 1: can do. Albeit one snap of a ballgame.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: To me in my recollection and I saw one replay

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Speaker 3: of it, it didn't look like he got a fake

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Speaker 3: punt look in terms of the defense. Because there was

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Speaker 3: no punter on the field, Seattle Rolly wasn't surprised. There

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Speaker 3: wasn't that element of shock and discombobulation and chaos on

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Speaker 3: the defense, which is what you're hoping for. But because

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Speaker 3: a punter wasn't on the field, Seattle knew immediately, Okay,

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Speaker 3: there is no punt here, we go. This is more

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Speaker 3: of a conventional fourth down attempt. And because of that,

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Speaker 3: they played a pretty typical defense and there wasn't any

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Speaker 3: blown coverage or guy running free, and so based on

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Speaker 3: on the way Seattle reacted, it didn't shock me. The

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Speaker 3: Cardinals did not get the first down, I know, when

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Speaker 3: they busted into it, you know, and all of a sudden, okay,

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Speaker 3: what's going on here? And Clayton Tune is throwing that

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Speaker 3: pass and maybe me think of Jeff Rodgers a couple

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Speaker 3: of weeks ago where he said, you know, I've got

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Speaker 3: hundreds of fake punts under the hood, right, and there

536
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Speaker 3: was one, but obviously you didn't have that element's surprise

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Speaker 3: and it ends up short of the sticks. I asked

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon about it after the game, and he put

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Speaker 3: it on himself, which I think is code for I'm

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Speaker 3: not getting into.

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Speaker 1: It, and we've heard that a lot from the head

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Speaker 1: coach talking about coaching. But I'll go back that are well.

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Speaker 1: Former colleague here on the Arizona Cardinals radio network played here,

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Speaker 1: bertrand Barry would always say, coaches coach Monday to Saturday.

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Speaker 1: On Sunday, it's about the players. But to our earlier conversation, Paul, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the players can't fault the effort. It's the talent which

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Speaker 1: leads to sometimes lack of execution, a consistent execution throughout

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Speaker 1: the game.

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Speaker 3: But I do think it's fair to wonder that when

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Speaker 3: you've been outscored sixty seven to seven in the fourth

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Speaker 3: quarter and what's the number in the second half, one

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Speaker 3: oh four to thirty, you're not winning the battle halftime adjustments.

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Speaker 3: That's a certainty. Now? Is that because you don't have

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Speaker 3: enough talent? Is that because the other team as a

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Speaker 3: superior roster and they've made the necessary adjustments. How do

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Speaker 3: we know if the Cardinals aren't making adjustments but they're

557
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Speaker 3: just not working because you just don't have the dudes.

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Speaker 3: We don't know the answer to that. We do know

559
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Speaker 3: is that they're not excelling in the second half that

560
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Speaker 3: has been an advantage opponent in the second half for

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Speaker 3: whatever reason. And honestly, and I've had a few coaches

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Speaker 3: tell me this. You know, in high school you make

563
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Speaker 3: adjustments week to week. In college, you make adjustments at halftime.

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Speaker 3: In the NFL, you're making adjustments series to series, if not,

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Speaker 3: play to play if needed. So the whole halftime adjustment

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Speaker 3: thing might be a little overblown in the NFL game.

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Speaker 3: But for whatever reason, the Cardinals are not winning in

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Speaker 3: the second half. They're certainly not winning in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 3: and because of that, they've only won a single game

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Speaker 3: out of seven.

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Speaker 1: There was some positivity on Sunday, don't want to make

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Speaker 1: this all negative here on Cardinals Cover two presented by Hundai,

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Speaker 1: proudly partner of the Arizona Cardinals. But A Baker returned.

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Speaker 1: Not only did he return, but he played every single

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Speaker 1: snap defensively, which is what Budda Baker does. And then,

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Speaker 1: of course, Paul I gotta save the best for last.

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Speaker 1: But how about number twenty one, How about Garrett Williams.

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Speaker 1: How about the rookie from Yes Sarah Hues University. His

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Speaker 1: first career game and his first interception. Yes, it was

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Speaker 1: at the one yard line. But that flipped the field.

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Speaker 1: That was one of the three takeaways by the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: defense slash special teams. And I know he had a

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Speaker 1: chance to speak to the gentleman on postgame, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: Garrett Williams tip of the cap to the former Syracuse

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Speaker 1: Orange standout.

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Speaker 3: I like the fact he played the ball. I like

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Speaker 3: the fact that he just didn't run towards the receiver

588
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: with his back to the quarterback and risk getting a flag.

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Speaker 3: He turned, he played the ball and because there was

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Speaker 3: a man in Gino Smith's face, the pass was short,

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Speaker 3: he didn't drop it. Manny Dbs would drop that or linebackers.

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Speaker 3: He saw it earlier in the game. Kaiser White, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: my goodness, he was gone if not for that drop.

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Speaker 3: And he was kicking himself on the sideline. It was

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Speaker 3: a great job to break up the pass and make

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Speaker 3: the read. But those are the sorts of plays the

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Speaker 3: difference in the NFL between a win and a loss.

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Speaker 3: And for Garrett Wilson to have the wherewithal, I mean,

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Speaker 3: think about that, he steps in. He hasn't played football

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Speaker 3: in a year. He hasn't had any full contact, you know,

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Speaker 3: as he told us after the game. He said, Yeah,

602
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Speaker 3: the speed of the game is real, the physicality is real.

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Speaker 3: Every single player on that field is capable of making

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Speaker 3: you look stupid. So and the fact they were playing

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Speaker 3: him in Nickel was interesting, right, because it'd be easy

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Speaker 3: to say, just go outside on an island and stay

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Speaker 3: away from the fray. But no, he was playing Nickel

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Speaker 3: and so his face was in the fan quite a bit,

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Speaker 3: and he did not hesitate to come up and lay

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Speaker 3: some lumber.

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus had Williams in the slot on twenty

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Speaker 1: two of his twenty six defensive snaps. To your point,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of where he is needed right now. Keith

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Speaker 1: Trell Clark bothered by a hamstring, not only did he

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Speaker 1: not start, he did not say it. See a single

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Speaker 1: snap on defense. And this Cardinals defense right now, it's

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Speaker 1: it's hurting. But if you're able to get takeaways. And

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Speaker 1: again this goes back to no math, Paul. But as

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Speaker 1: we talk about what Jonathan Gannon had to say about

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Speaker 1: you're a plus three in a ball game, how about

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Speaker 1: this ProFootball reference dot com. And this is where Darren's

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Speaker 1: research came in. Since the merger in nineteen seventy, there

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Speaker 1: have been two thousand, nine hundred and twenty five games

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Speaker 1: where one team had a turnover margin of plus three

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Speaker 1: or better. So almost three thousand games. Okay, those teams,

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Speaker 1: when you have a plus three turnover margin or better,

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Speaker 1: you win better than ninety one percent of the time. Wow,

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Speaker 1: unless you're the Arizona Cardinals who lost twenty to ten.

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Speaker 3: So is that the sort of stat Is that the

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Speaker 3: sort of sobering data that leads to a quarterback change.

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Speaker 3: You're not moving the ball. You had one drive beyond

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Speaker 3: twenty six net yards. The completion percentage of the passer

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Speaker 3: rating has been in decline ever since Week four. What

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Speaker 3: do you do?

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Speaker 1: Do you look?

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Speaker 3: Adapt is the keyword by Jonathan Gannon. So do you

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Speaker 3: adapt the offense? Do you adapt the play calling? Do

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00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: you adapt the personnel? What do you do? Have you

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Speaker 3: seen enough of Josh Dobbs that you're figuring? Okay, even

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Speaker 3: when we're plus three, even in a situation where those

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Speaker 3: teams win ninety one percent of the games, we didn't

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Speaker 3: get a w we end up losing by double digits.

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Speaker 3: What do we do?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 3: I think we're all curious to see what the decision

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Speaker 3: is going forward? Is there a decision in their mind.

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Speaker 3: Now you have Josh Dobbs, who's familiar with Baltimore from

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Speaker 3: all his days in Cleveland, all his days in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: So is he better suited in year seven to be

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Speaker 3: game ready against a Balti more defense. Yeah, there's a

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Speaker 3: lie there. I mean, there's an obvious argument to be

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Speaker 3: made that you know, he's more equipped in that regard.

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Speaker 3: But if you're not able to sit in the pocket

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Speaker 3: and and just complete typical passes, and if now teams

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Speaker 3: are saying, you know what, We're not going to blitz you.

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Speaker 3: We're just gonna rush three and four, drop seven or eight,

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Speaker 3: and we're gonna dare you to actually find receivers and

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Speaker 3: make completions. We saw how the Cardinals struggle with that

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Speaker 3: at Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Something to follow this week Cardinals host the Ravens on

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Speaker 1: Sunday one twenty five. Is the kickoff from State Farm Stadium.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that Ravens defense sac Jared Goff five

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Speaker 1: times on Sunday, So that's what you're facing defensively for

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Speaker 1: this Cardinals offense.

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Speaker 3: And look, one of the strengths of that Lion's team

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Speaker 3: is their offensive line. There's no doubt that's where they

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Speaker 3: started the rebuild. That's where the Cardinals started the rebuild

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Speaker 3: by taking Paris Johnson junior number six overall. But for

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Speaker 3: everything you know that we've talked about so far, let's

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Speaker 3: not forget that Jackson Smith and Jigba was wide open

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Speaker 3: on a twenty eight yard timeown pass. That the tight

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Speaker 3: end Colby Parkinson was wide open down the sideline on

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Speaker 3: a twenty seven yard strike. So there were instances where

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals got beat in the secondary. Was it better?

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Speaker 3: Was the communication better? Where they've more buttoned up with

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Speaker 3: the return of Buddha Baker? Absolutely starling Thomas. I thought

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Speaker 3: he showed pretty well for an undrafted rookie. You know,

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Speaker 3: Marco Wilson got beat early, but then seemed to compete

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Speaker 3: the rest of the way. Obviously they didn't have DK Metcalf,

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Speaker 3: but there are enough times, especially on third down, where

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals were beat. That's something that Jonathan Gannon cited

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Speaker 3: at halftime. So don't want to make it sound like

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Speaker 3: we're completely piling only on the offense. There were enough

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Speaker 3: areas that are being pointed out as we speak on

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Speaker 3: a Monday in front of the team, and that's something

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Speaker 3: that Jonathan Gannon has told us repeatedly on his TV

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Speaker 3: show every week that yeah, he starts the week by

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Speaker 3: putting up the good, bad, and ugly. Right, here's where

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Speaker 3: we excel, here's what needs to be corrected, here's what's inexcusable.

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Speaker 3: And he includes players and coaches. You know, after they

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Speaker 3: beat Dallas, the first thing you did on that Monday,

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Speaker 3: he threw up a mistake that he thought he made

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Speaker 3: and then he showed in a mistake from his offensive

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Speaker 3: coordinator and his defensive coordinator. So it's sort of, you know,

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Speaker 3: in the spirit of coach double Rainbow. And he has

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Speaker 3: telled the truth Monday with the Cardinals, its accountability Monday

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Speaker 3: in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: Let's hope you did not make a mistake, because I

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Speaker 1: do have a nominee, and I hope you have the nominee,

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Speaker 1: the correct nominee that is actually the Angry Bird Award

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Speaker 1: winner four Week seven. Well, see if you need to

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Speaker 1: be held accountable for your decision on who this week's

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Speaker 1: winner is. As we wait here on Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: Cover two, you know we wanted to go a different direction.

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Speaker 3: We really did, honestly, But I mean, how can you

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Speaker 3: hold his alma mater against him despite alums like Craig

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Speaker 3: Grailow and Dave Pash. We won't do that, Okay, that's

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Speaker 3: sort of consideration, is not part of the process. So

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Speaker 3: Garrett Williams will get the Angry Bird Award for Week

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Speaker 3: seven for the most hilatious play or player. Obviously the

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Speaker 3: interception stood out, or for him just to jump into

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Speaker 3: the frame at Seattle and make your NFL debut against

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Speaker 3: those receivers, even minus DK Metcalf. But you know, that's

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Speaker 3: an offense, that's an environment, and for him things had

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Speaker 3: to be and even said things are moving really fast

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Speaker 3: in the first quarter, but his evolution from just the

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Speaker 3: beginning to the end of the game, you know, and look,

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Speaker 3: you could have gone with the same reasoning as a

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Speaker 3: Clayton tune, like, oh boy, I don't know, is this

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Speaker 3: too much too soon? What are we going to be

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Speaker 3: risking losing him? No, you have to be mentally tough

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Speaker 3: in the NFL, and he's obviously a very bright guy

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Speaker 3: and very well spoken, and so you know it was

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Speaker 3: so for that, Yes, we are presenting he took the

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Speaker 3: football home. But in addition to that, he's getting the

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Speaker 3: Angry Bird Award. And I'm sure that angry Bird will

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Speaker 3: be set front of the touchdown or the interception football

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Speaker 3: I mean, and you're be honest here. Well, here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Once again, we only have one, so it's honorary. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you're gonna have to live with a picture that gets

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Speaker 3: tweeted out at Paul CALVC because we don't have the

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Speaker 3: budget to actually give all seventeen players during a season

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Speaker 3: their individual, actual physical angry Bird award.

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Speaker 1: A good first step for Garrett Williams. Hopefully there are

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Speaker 1: many more, and hopefully here in one week's time we're

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Speaker 1: actually talking about a win. Here on Cardinals Cover two

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Speaker 1: is the Cardinals have lost for in a row. They

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Speaker 1: are one and six on the season again playing a

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Speaker 1: very good Baltimore Ravens team coming up this Sunday. And

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Speaker 1: on that note, we will put a lid on this

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Yundai, proud partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our

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Speaker 1: executive producer jem Mo Mahunter, our associate producer Cody Fincher.

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Speaker 1: For Paul CALVC. I'm Craig rial Lou. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you next time here on Cardinals Cover two,