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Speaker 2: I'm going to play you some of Buried You Dumb.

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Speaker 2: Here's a little bit of a song called Northwest.

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Speaker 2: And we really start talking about Chucked the musical at first,

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Speaker 2: She got a brand new album, self titled called Brandy Clark,

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about just you, which I do every day,

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Speaker 1: we got nominated for nine Tonys. Wow. I know which

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, Cobb County is a county that is or

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I never thought about it like that. If your support,

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Speaker 1: myself for the most part. But I think the nature

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00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 1: of what we do makes it hard to be confident sometimes.

437
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 1: But I have to just walk out and pretend I'm confident.

438
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure you do the same thing.

439
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm never confident. I'm only confident once I'm shown

440
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 2: that I should have been confident fifteen minutes ago. Yeah,

441
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 2: like I was already faking it. But now I'm getting

442
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: some feedback that it's good. So still confident. But I

443
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: really wasn't fifteen minutes ago.

444
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 1: But you know, the other thing is I don't know

445
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: anybody who's really great who doesn't struggle with that a

446
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 1: little bit.

447
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: I have a crazy imposter syndrome. Or it's I talked

448
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 2: to my wife and if I'm like I need to

449
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 2: go do this show, I need to do this TV

450
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 2: show or whatever, She's like, why you don't evenly want

451
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 2: to do it. I'm like, but if I lose momentum,

452
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 2: I'll never get it back. Like I have this absolute

453
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 2: fear of if I ever slow down, that I don't

454
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 2: really have the skills or the talent to catch back

455
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 2: up to where I am now. And if that's a

456
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 2: poster syndrome or if it's just reality, I don't know,

457
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 2: but I struggle with that with taking breaks because of that,

458
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 2: I don't know that I'm very confident in a certain

459
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 2: skill set, but I wonder, like I know what I'm

460
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 2: driven from, fear, Like I'm driven from a small town fear.

461
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: I'm creative because of similar situations. It was kind of

462
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: my way out. Where did yours come from?

463
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: Well, definitely like creativity.

464
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: Just creativity and drive, well, my artist, the artist part

465
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 2: of year.

466
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: My drive definitely came from my dad. My dad was

467
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,959
Speaker 1: maybe the most driven person I've ever known. Whatever it was.

468
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 1: My grandma used to say it was a good thing

469
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: my dad didn't drink or smoke, because he would have

470
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: been a terrible alcoholic or a chain smoker. Like, whatever

471
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: it was, it was all the way. I remember when

472
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: I was getting out of high school, I wanted to

473
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: get into this. It was called the STP Seattle to

474
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: Portland Bike Ride. It was one hundred and ninety five

475
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: miles and I was going to school the next year

476
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: in a basketball scholarship and needed a way to stay

477
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: in shape. So I saw that as the way, and

478
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: so I started training for it. One of my high

479
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: school basketball coach was going to do it with me,

480
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: and then he had to have a hip replacement. So

481
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: two weeks before, I'm stuck without a writing partner, and

482
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: my dad said he would do it with me.

483
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: Two weeks before, two weeks before, no training.

484
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: No training, and my dad was one of these people.

485
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 1: My dad was in good shape, but you know it's different,

486
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: and so we did the ride. We did it in

487
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: two days. I remember when we got done, my dad said,

488
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: I'm never getting on a bike again. That was on Sunday.

489
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 1: By Wednesday, my dad had bought a racing bike. The

490
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: next year, he did it in a paceline in eight hours.

491
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: That was my dad, So I definitely got drive from him.

492
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 3: Hang ty, the Bobby Cast will be right back, and

493
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 3: we're back on the Bobby Cast.

494
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 2: I've never had a drink and I can't. I don't smoke.

495
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 2: I can't because I'll do it all. Like your grandma

496
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 2: would say about your dad, greatest drinker of all time,

497
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 2: I would dominate it. It'd be amazing. I've never had

498
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: a single drink because I know I get obsessed or

499
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: even addicted to everything, and I have those qualities throughout

500
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: my family. A lot of my founders have died from addiction.

501
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: So but I kind of replace addiction with an addiction

502
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 2: to drive, and sometimes they it's easy to get confused

503
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: even to myself on what they are, Like is it

504
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: a drive or am I addicted to work? You know,

505
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: as I try to find like some sort of worth.

506
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: Your Dad's had a great example for you on drive.

507
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 2: Do you have addictive quality? Is it an addictive quality

508
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 2: type thing?

509
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I believe we're all kind of addicts.

510
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: We just get addicted to the healthy things or not.

511
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I can definitely be addicted, like

512
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: to food. I mean, I wish it was a sexier addiction, but.

513
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: I have no moderation. Yeah, yeah, none.

514
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like I'm either eating seriously clean or I'm

515
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: postmating two pints of Jenny's ice cream and the next

516
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: day I'm like where did those go? Like there's no moderation.

517
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm that way too. I think, I like, I'm pretty driven.

518
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: Its it's a competitive thing. I wish it wasn't as competitive.

519
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: I wish I have friends who are artists and they

520
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 1: just are They just love music and you know, I mean,

521
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: I love music and I love I love creating, but

522
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: I also want to win. I wish sometimes I wish

523
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: I didn't have that as much.

524
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: I'm horribly competitive. Yeah, again, but all minds from insecurities.

525
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: It sounds like yours was a great example. Yes, and

526
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: then kind of pursuit with some of it to kind

527
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: of be like or with your dad, do you think?

528
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: Yes? And I really I lost my dad young. I

529
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: was twenty not as young as some people, but I

530
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: was twenty five, and those really young years of my life,

531
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: I was really into sports, and I think that was

532
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: because of my dad. And I'm I really feel lucky

533
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: that I that that was my passion then because we

534
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: were close because of that, we would have been close anyway.

535
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: But I've been lucky enough to be My parents were

536
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: great parents, and then as I've gotten older, my mom's

537
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: also a great friend. You know, She's always my mom.

538
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: But I feel lucky that I had that athletic drive

539
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: young because I wasn't going to have my dad a

540
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: long time. My mom was musical, and so as I

541
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: got older, music sort of became the thing, and that

542
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: brought her an eye even closer.

543
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 2: So I think at all a part of your life though,

544
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: like thirteen, Yes, it was.

545
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: It was. I started playing guitar when I was nine,

546
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: and I always just assumed everybody's mom played piano, and

547
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: because my mom did those things, like if we liked

548
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: a song, my mom could could hammer it out on

549
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: the piano. I was in the Music Man. That was

550
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: my first music thing. I was Amaryllis in The Music Man.

551
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: And so after that I started like taking voice lessons

552
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: and got more into guitar, but it would go in

553
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: and out because of sports. But once I got out

554
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: of high school, music took the place of what sports

555
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: was That then became my sport.

556
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: The thing you worked at, yes, goals, yes, yeah, because

557
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 2: it's hard to unkind of ravel yourself from the competitive

558
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: mindset of sports sports sports, sports, well, no, nothing right,

559
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: So it's again when I was talking about it for

560
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: me after like replace addictions mm hmm, and not that

561
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: it was an addiction but if you were always pushing

562
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: toward this sports goal and now you have no goal,

563
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: I can see where you could be lost a little

564
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: bit or no direction.

565
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. When I first quit playing basketball because I went

566
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: to college on a basketball scholarship and I really was

567
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: burnt out by then.

568
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: Your identity to the basketball player totally.

569
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: I thought that was why people liked me. I still,

570
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: you know. I talked about this to a therapist one time.

571
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: I said I always felt like I needed something to

572
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: hook somebody in and she said, what do you mean?

573
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: And I said, well, my longest friend in life is

574
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: a girl named Rachel. I said, Rachel didn't have to

575
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: do anything like everybody just loved Rachel. I said I

576
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: had to be like good in sports and then good

577
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: in me music to hook people in. And she's like, no, you,

578
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: that's what you need to hook you in to liking you.

579
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: And I think that's probably probably true. But yeah, my

580
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: identity was very wrapped up, and when I quit playing basketball,

581
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: I had probably six months of who am I? And

582
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: then I started getting really back into music, and then

583
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: that became my identity. I wish I didn't have so

584
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: much wrapped in it, but I just do. And if

585
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: for some reason this went away, it'd be something else.

586
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Same. I struggle with that a lot, separating like

587
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: who I real I am and who I am and

588
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: they sometimes I get confused. I'm lucky I have a

589
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: wife now that will go, hey, yo, this is you know,

590
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: there are priorities, and I get this is a priority

591
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: of yours and it's important, but let's evaluate the real

592
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: human and then the career person.

593
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: That's tough, and.

594
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: So it's tough for me to even kind of understand

595
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: and that I have to separate those because I was

596
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: on my own until thirty nine. I mean I never

597
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: had a serious girlfriend. I had girlfriends and under the

598
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: million and I met her and then it was like

599
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: a reality pill and it hurts, hurt to swallow sometimes

600
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: when you start to get that that like, oh, so

601
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: that's been difficult for me. Do you have anybody for

602
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: you that's like, Okay, here's the deal this. You're kind

603
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: of awful, little you kind off track a little bit personally.

604
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: Can Shane do that?

605
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: Well? I mean I probably do that.

606
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: For him absolutely, so I would assume is it.

607
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, we're good for each other that way. You know,

608
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: he and I are like you know soulmates in.

609
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: A lot of ways, or you can get mad at them,

610
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean you're not going to be their

611
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: friend anymore. I think that's a that's a new that's

612
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: a point in relationship, that's you just bonded.

613
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah we're family, you know, and and totally like he

614
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: and I really do lean on each other. I can

615
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: tell him really really thinks I'm super insecure about and

616
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: him for me, and yeah, we can kind of ground

617
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: each other. And he's really been great lately at at balance,

618
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, like he's really he's amazing for me to watch.

619
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: He's a great dad. His kids are a real priority.

620
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: You know, he's spending a lot of time out in

621
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: Santa Barbara now because that's where he's happiest, that's where

622
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: his sobriety's easiest, and that that's inspiring to me. I

623
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: don't struggle with that with the same things. I definitely

624
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: do struggle with having my identity all wrapped up in

625
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: this though. That's a that's a big one.

626
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: You your album, What's I got to say? Rare? You've

627
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: self titled this project, and usually that happens the very

628
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: first it's like, hello, I'm this person I've self titled it.

629
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: I've been a fan for years and now it's self titled.

630
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: I was a little confused. I'm like, am I looking

631
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: at the wrong record here? So why were talking about identity?

632
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: Why?

633
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: Why do that? Here?

634
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: So funny story and then and then a real story.

635
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: But so when Brandy Carlisle approached me about he had

636
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: really like to make a record on you, she said

637
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: I see it as your return to the Northwest. And

638
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: that was intriguing to me. And I was talking to

639
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: Jesse Joe Dillon, who's a great friend and collaborator, and

640
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure what I wanted to do on this record,

641
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, Brandy Carlisle has been talking

642
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: to me about potentially working with her. And Jesse said,

643
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: what do you like about that? And I said, well,

644
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: one of the things she said that really intrigues me

645
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: most is that she sees it as my return to

646
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: the Northwest. And Jesse says, wow, b we should go

647
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: up to the Northwest and write some songs, and so

648
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: we did, and one of those was a song called Northwest.

649
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: It's on this record. And so I then had this

650
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: massive idea of, oh, we're going to call this record Northwest,

651
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: and I had all the artwork in my head, but

652
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: every time I would say that to somebody, they would say, well,

653
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: you know that's Kim and Kanye's kid, rightest. Oh, yeah,

654
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: you're right, yes, And I hadn't thought of that, And

655
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: so then I got off of that and I was like,

656
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: what am I going to call this? And it just

657
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, the process of making this was so there

658
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: was a lot of challenge in it and I and

659
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: I felt by the end of it there wasn't anything

660
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: else I wanted to call it but Brandy Clark, And

661
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: since I hadn't self titled something, it worked.

662
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: Why Brandy Carlisle as in what about her? As a producer?

663
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: I love her music has been super cool to me,

664
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: wonderful freaking singer, Like you know, I'll tell her she's

665
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: the Mount Rushmore. She is, But as a producer, I

666
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: don't know that part of her.

667
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: I didn't either. It was a leap of faith, you know,

668
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: And what really drew me to her was her confidence.

669
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: You know, she she was so confident that she should

670
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: make this record.

671
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: And did you already want to make a record? And

672
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: did you talk to her like she you said, she

673
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: came out, I can't want to make a record on

674
00:33:59,160 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: you does?

675
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: She just well, no, it started. What started was when

676
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 1: we were in the pandemic and I had made Your

677
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: Life as a record with Jay Joyce, who's who I

678
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: loved working with genius producer. The label wanted to waterfall it.

679
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: They wanted to put out a few more songs, and

680
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: Jay's schedule didn't line up to do it, and so

681
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: I just thought, well, we're not going to be able

682
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: to waterfall it. And then Tracy Gershawn said to me,

683
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: have you ever thought about doing a couple of songs

684
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: with Brandy Carlisle? And I said, oh, yeah, that'd be cool.

685
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: Let's try it. You know, it felt very like an

686
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: easy thing. It wasn't you know. It wasn't like it

687
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: was a whole album. And so we did. We cut

688
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: two songs and tack them onto Your Life as a record.

689
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: One of them was nominated for a Grammy. And the

690
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: way it started with her producing whole record was she

691
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: said that when we didn't win that Grammy that she

692
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 1: looked over and she said, I looked so sad. Now

693
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: I don't remember feeling particularly sad, but I'm glad I

694
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: did because it spurred her to say. She goes, hey, buddy,

695
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: I want to make a whole record on you. That

696
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: was how it started. I didn't know how serious she was,

697
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: but when her and I sat down, and you know,

698
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: she talked to me about how passionate she was about

699
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: it and how she felt like there was a part

700
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: of me that she could get on record that no

701
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: one else could. And I think it is because she's

702
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: such a great singer. I always think a producer leads

703
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: with their instrument if they were a guitar player first,

704
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: that's that's their entry point. For her, she's a singer,

705
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: so that's that's her entry point, and so she can

706
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: ask things of an artist vocally that other producers can't.

707
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: Does she give example if she's like, I haven't been

708
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: in the studio with you, but she could go like, ooh,

709
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: does she do like examples of what she wants you

710
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: to try to chase?

711
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean she would sing it to you like, hey,

712
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: I know you can do.

713
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: This, So she would push you yes by showing you

714
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 2: what she wants wanted to push you to Yes. Was

715
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: there of a moment like I can't do that? But

716
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: then you did? Because she just kind.

717
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: Of no, because I didn't want to say I couldn't,

718
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: you know. And also the other way she would push

719
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: is I love something perfect, And she'd push for flawed things,

720
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, like no, no, no, leave that vocal alone.

721
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: That's that. Sure you might be able to sing it better,

722
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: but you can't sing it truer, like don't don't do

723
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: it again. You know. She's great that way, and also

724
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: great at asking Okay, is this really what you want

725
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: to say? Is this really what you mean here? In

726
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: a way that I think probably only another artist that

727
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: can do that's her. That's her gift as a producer

728
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: is that she's an artist.

729
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: Sounds like you have to trust well a producer, but

730
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: her a lot in the situation in ways that she's

731
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: challenging you totally.

732
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, she's like.

733
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: Do you want to say it like this? If any

734
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: the right person asking me that, I'm like, what do

735
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: you mean? You don't tell me how I want to

736
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: say it? Oh?

737
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: Well, my ego definitely got bruised in the beginning, and

738
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 1: I realized the first day we were in the studio

739
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: together was was kind of a tough day because you know,

740
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: she it was the day after the cmas And and

741
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: I had been part of that Lindyville performance and we

742
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: were recording in La oh actually Malibu a shangri Law,

743
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: which was a really amazing experience Rick Rubin's studio, and

744
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: she came in hot, you know, and I don't know

745
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: if I was just tired from from having just flown

746
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: in there from here, but I definitely the first day

747
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: thought wow, is this going to work? And some of that,

748
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: I think was that at that point I wasn't looking

749
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: at Brandy as a producer. I was looking at her

750
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: as another artist. And the next morning we met and

751
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: really like talked it out and I just said, you know, Brandy,

752
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm just going to trust you. I'm gonna I'm gonna

753
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: do it your way on some of these things. And

754
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: after that happened, it was like the heavens opened. And

755
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: I think it was mostly me, you know, just giving

756
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: her that rope that I was maybe hanging on to

757
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: a little too tight.

758
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 2: Are you a control freak?

759
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: No, not really. I mean I'm sure about.

760
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 2: Certain things, but just not generally across the board. Yeah.

761
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: No, I'm not a control freak about most things.

762
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: I mean, you're a perfectionist, yes, But I think.

763
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: Perfect is different for everybody, you know. I mean, I

764
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: have my idea of what the perfect song is, and

765
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: a lot of that's based on being here and being

766
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: in writing rooms for twenty plus years and the idea

767
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: of the craft of songwriting. I think that's part of

768
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: why her and I were a great marriage on this,

769
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: because she hasn't done that. She likes things a little messier,

770
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: and so I think between the two we ended in

771
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: a spot that I was really happy with.

772
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: What is her producing style? I can just see a

773
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: deducer on the other side of the glass, pushing the button,

774
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 2: doing the talk through. Okay do this or was she

775
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: in the vocal booth? What is she like?

776
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: Oh, she's in it. You know. She's always playing something,

777
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: be it guitar, piano, even if it's not it ultimately

778
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: in the track, which most times it is. No, she's

779
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: right in the middle of it. I think to make

780
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: sure it feels right. Because Brandy is somebody and this

781
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: was another thing that drew me to her when we

782
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: did those first two songs. She's all got instinct, and

783
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: so I think to be that, you have to be

784
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: in it and be feeling it.

785
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 3: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the

786
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 3: Bobby Cast.

787
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: Why I like you as a songwriter is your stuff

788
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: always feels personal. Even if I can't identify what feels

789
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: so personal about it to you, I can always feel

790
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: something personal about it with me. Oh, I love it

791
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: like I feel like. That's why I'm such a big

792
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 2: fan of your music is that it is very personal.

793
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: But sometimes I can I can. If I can't finger

794
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 2: and put my finger on exactly what you're talking about

795
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: personal to you, I can always associate it with something

796
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: to me. With so much of your music. That being said,

797
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: these songs feel even more personal, like honestly than stuff

798
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: that I've heard before. One purpose is that? Was that purposeful?

799
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: Like?

800
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: Did you push yourself to do that? And then two

801
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: is there ever a point where you're like, man, is

802
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: this too personal where no one's going to relate to it?

803
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? Both things, And I got to say that first.

804
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: The first thing, I really do a tribute to Brandy

805
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: because when she said are you sure you want to

806
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: say this? She asked me to change lyrics that didn't

807
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: There was a line in Buried that said, I'll read

808
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: lonesome dub, I'll start doing yoga and takes some trippy

809
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: drug makes me forget I even know you. And she's like,

810
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: I don't like that yoga line. That bugged me bad.

811
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: I said, why don't you like that yoga line? And

812
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: she goes, cause I just don't even think you do yoga.

813
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: I said, well I don't. She said, well why are

814
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: you putting it in this song? Then everything else is,

815
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: you know, so it changed it. So a lot of that,

816
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: some of there were little things like that that made things,

817
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, this much more personal. And I never realized

818
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: when I'm writing songs, because I'm always writing songs, I

819
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: never I just I just never know, you know. Sometimes

820
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: they're for me, sometimes they're for someone else. And there

821
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: were songs. Lenny Warnicker at Warner is the first person

822
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: who pointed out just how personal they were. And he said, man,

823
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: these songs like I thought your life as a record

824
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: was really personal, but these are even more personal. And

825
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: I said, oh really, I didn't. I can't imagine that

826
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: they'd be more personal than that. And he said, well, yeah,

827
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: like dear Insecurity, like that's you're talking about you. He said,

828
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: You've written songs that are personal about relationships or situations,

829
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: but you on this record, you have songs that are

830
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: about you and your deep feelings and so and that

831
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: got a little scary. And then a song like she

832
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 1: Smoked in the House, I thought that was way too personal.

833
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: I wrote that Grandma. Yeah, I thought I wrote that

834
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: just because I was missing my grandma. It was a

835
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: way to be with my grandma to write that. I

836
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: turned it in because I turned everything in. I did

837
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: not expect one person to say, oh, you should record this,

838
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: and everyone did.

839
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: Wow.

840
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And now that I'm out playing it and the

841
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: record's out, it's one I don't think I could get

842
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: away with not playing it live.

843
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,959
Speaker 2: I love my grandma adopted me for a long time,

844
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: so that song I was drawn to. That's why I

845
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: knew when you said the song. But I mean that

846
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: is one too that I that I heard and was like, well,

847
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: this is so easily such a great song. It's just

848
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: funny to think how we all feel about things that

849
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 2: we make in the moment we make them, and how

850
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: that can change. Because again, if you're writing here, you're

851
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: feeling a certain way, but going I don't think really this,

852
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: I hear it and go, how could this not be

853
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: a thing?

854
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I think you know, I just being too

855
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: close to it. But it's also a good reminder of

856
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, write what you love and what you know,

857
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: and other people will love it, know it like you've

858
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: you know you you hear your grandma in it. There

859
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: are people that have their grandma was nothing like my grandma.

860
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: Like they'll say, my grandma didn't smoke, but man, that

861
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: part about cutting the mold off candel open cheese, that

862
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: was my grandma. So it's just it's a That song

863
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: is a great reminder to me to write what matters.

864
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 2: So why how would you be inspired by Forrest Gump?

865
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: So on a writing retreat, Jimmy Robbins, Jesse Joe Dillon

866
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: and we were watching Forrest Gump the first night when

867
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: when we were there we had written something else that day,

868
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: and there's that scene where Jenny's throwing rocks at the

869
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: house she grew up in and Forrest says, you know,

870
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: sometimes they're just staying enough rocks, and Jesse Joe actually said,

871
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to write that.

872
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: That makes sense now, Yeah, the title you were literally

873
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: watching Forrest Gump, Yeah, I came up. That's do you

874
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: ever go? Maybe we don't tell anybody who wrote this

875
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: about Forrest Gump or are you just like we got

876
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: to let everybody know because I love that. It's forced me.

877
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, I probably tell too much,

878
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: and it probably be a better story if I if

879
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: I made something else up. But that's just the truth

880
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: about that one.

881
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: Your mom you mentioned her earlier. To play with your

882
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: mom and to be in a band with your mom, Yeah,

883
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: what was that like for you?

884
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: It was great and even greater looking back on it,

885
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: because once again as a kid, it was just like

886
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: I kind of thought that's what everybody did. But I

887
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: realize just how special that is. And my mom is

888
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: so responsible for so much of the music I love

889
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: and for you know, my parents, they really they sacrificed

890
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: for us. Like we lived in a single wide trailer

891
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: that they that they were modeled into more of the

892
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: size of a double wide when we got older. But

893
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: I think about all the things we got inside of

894
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: that trailer, Like we got to do music lessons, we

895
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: got to play whatever sports we wanted. And they didn't drive.

896
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure they would wish they would, or

897
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: at the time maybe they wanted to drive a different car,

898
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: but it was more important for us to me to

899
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: play guitar and my brother to play violin if that's

900
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: what we wanted. So we were really lucky and they

901
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: took us even though we grew up in a really

902
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 1: small area. They took us to a lot of things,

903
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: like in Seattle and Tacoma. I remember, you know, going

904
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: to the Puaette Faarre and Seye and Ronnie millsap. That

905
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: was the first concert I saw. They took us to

906
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: the Perfect Ten Tour, which was when Mary lou Retten

907
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: and all the gymnasts from the nineteen eighty four Olympic

908
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: team were in I think they were in Seattle. We

909
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: got to do things like that. They'd take us to

910
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: folk life festivals and we'd see all this music and

911
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: all these different instruments, and you know, just they really

912
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: they were great parents in a lot of ways. In

913
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: one of the bigger ways was just culturally. They exposed

914
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: us to a lot.

915
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: When you moved to Nashville because you went to Belmont, Yes,

916
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: well did you move from Washington State to Belmont?

917
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: I did.

918
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: That's a significant move. Yeah, and so was it. I'm

919
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: going to do music, I need to go to where

920
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 2: the music is and this is the school.

921
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: Well, a funny story. Yes, I wanted to do music,

922
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: and it was also really important to me to finish

923
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: college for some reason. You know, when I was paying

924
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: off my student LUNs into my thirties, I was like,

925
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: why did I do this? But I had seen on

926
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: Crick and Chase that Trisha Yearwood went to Belmont, and

927
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: so that made me want to go to Belmont. And

928
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: I'm still glad I went. But it was when I

929
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: moved here, I felt like I had moved to a

930
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 1: foreign country.

931
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: It was so different, even in what ways stuck out

932
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 2: to you most because I know the area where you're from.

933
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: I tore a lot, so I feel like that's not

934
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: the same. But if there were a group of people

935
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 2: that were similar but not the same, it would be

936
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: people from the Northwest. You know, we're on the airport,

937
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 2: like rural Portland, Louis Seattle. Like they're just real on people,

938
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: real comma, honest people.

939
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: I feel mostly, yes, oh like people here, I think

940
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: just geographically Like. One of my favorite things when I

941
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: moved here, and I used to do this and I

942
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: don't know why I thought this was fun, was how

943
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: fast you could get to other states. I would get

944
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: in my car and just drive to Alabama or just

945
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: drive to Kentucky, like because where I was from in Washington,

946
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: it took you a day to get across the state.

947
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: So that was different, like it could be so many

948
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: places so quick.

949
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: I'm like that with Europe. Yes you can go to

950
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: a country.

951
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: Yes, same thing.

952
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: Oh like Ireland's the size of Iowa. I can just

953
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 2: be over and yes, yeah, that's that is crazy.

954
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: So that was very different. The fact that they were

955
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: interstates and not freeways. That felt just now when I

956
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: go home and I say interstate, people look at me

957
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: like I'm crazy, and I'm like, well, it's I five.

958
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: You know, that's what it means, Interstate five. And then religion.

959
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: You know, where I'm from, it's not that people aren't religious,

960
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: but it's not as it's not so much in the culture.

961
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: You know there when I got here, I felt like

962
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: there was a church on every corner. And then going

963
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: to Belmont, I don't know if it still is, but

964
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: at the time it was a Baptist university and so

965
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: that was a different a different thing to me to

966
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: take Bible classes. And so those were the major differences.

967
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: And then the weather, you know, humidity. I didn't know

968
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: what humidity was when I moved here.

969
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: Boy welcome, Yeah, freaking sucks.

970
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: I actually, you know, it's so funny though. I was

971
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: telling somebody the other day that was talking about how

972
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: much they hate humidity. I said, I don't and I

973
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: and I was like, and you know why, because when

974
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: I moved here, my grandma said to me, You're gonna

975
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: love it there, but you're gonna hate the humidity. And

976
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: I just decided I'm not gonna hate it. And so

977
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: my mom and I landed and it was super humid.

978
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: We got here in August, and I said, I just

979
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: love this humidity.

980
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: That works. I just love mayonnaise never worked for me.

981
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 2: I hate man as I said that.

982
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: You know.

983
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: So with the record and just to go back to

984
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: it here again, I've heard so many songs that you

985
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: have written and that you have sang and that you

986
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 2: have written, and other people of saying on this record

987
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: specifically that you're singing. Which of these songs did you finish?

988
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 2: And go, oh man, I got like the tingles that

989
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: said that felt like, what's the most.

990
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: Dear in security?

991
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

992
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: For sure? Well and up above the clouds those two

993
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: I knew the day that those were written. You know

994
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: and Dearing's security. We made some changes on that in

995
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: the studio to make it even more my insecurities than

996
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: it already was. But both of those I knew like, oh,

997
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: this is this is something like and this is something

998
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: I want from me. I knew that right away.

999
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: What are you doing for fun? It just it's it's

1000
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: a lot. You have a lot going on professionally, and

1001
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: this is what people ask me, like, you look like

1002
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: you're driving yourself. What are you doing at all this

1003
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: hang out? You know?

1004
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: I mean, well, and I'll get I want to say

1005
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: something about you really quick, because I always say this

1006
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: to other people. Okay, you are so good, and it's

1007
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: because you share your vulnerabilities, you know, like people would

1008
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 1: talk about Barbara Walters, they'd be like, man, everybody cries

1009
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: in Barbara Walters. I think you're as good as Barbara

1010
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: Walters in your own way. And it's because you talk

1011
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: about yourself, like when you you know, like you're talking about, Oh,

1012
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: I'm a workholic. You didn't say that, but it's your

1013
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: gift as an interviewer. I just wanted to say that

1014
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: you can.

1015
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: Leave that or cut that gift is not accepting compliments.

1016
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 2: I just feel awkward. But I thank you. That's very

1017
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: kind to be from you. That means a whole lot,

1018
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: So thank you.

1019
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: It's true. I was telling everybody that I listened to

1020
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: you this podcast, and if I really like somebody, I

1021
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: like them more. And if I kind of don't like

1022
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: somebody and I listen to your podcasts and I still

1023
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: don't like them, I know. Okay, my instinct's right, because

1024
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: the real person's going to come out.

1025
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: Right. It is an hour. It is intense, it is,

1026
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 2: and intensity maybe isn't the word, but it is. It's

1027
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: very intimate. Here we are you, I mean, and luckily

1028
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: I know you. Yeah, but it's just me and you.

1029
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 2: We only have each other to depend on. M hmm.

1030
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 2: If one of us stops talking, or if I ask

1031
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: a stupid question, I need you to bail me out

1032
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 2: and give me an answer that makes me look halfway decent,

1033
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 2: or if you I mean, it is a very it's

1034
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 2: a relationship, yes, and so yeah, it is a anybody

1035
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: that I've ever interviewed for a long period of time,

1036
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: their real self comes out eventually.

1037
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get to it, I think, And I think

1038
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: it's because your real self, you're not afraid to talk

1039
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 1: about your frailties, which is that's that gets other people

1040
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: talking about theirs. I really noticed it. A friend of

1041
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: mine and one of my favorite peoples, Sonny Sweeney, when

1042
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: I heard her podcast with you, I called her or

1043
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: I texted her and just was like, oh my god,

1044
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: this was so great. She was great.

1045
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: She was so great.

1046
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: Oh she's awesome. So for fun, and you're asking me that,

1047
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: and I got off track. I love sports still, you know,

1048
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so excited football's starting. College football would

1049
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: be I know you're a big razorback.

1050
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 2: Do you have a team? U T Tennessee.

1051
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: I chose that when I moved here, and here was

1052
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: why I'm moved here, and I one of the places

1053
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: I would go was North Carolina, which was which was further,

1054
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: but I had friends there still there, and when I

1055
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: would drive, I had never seen coll it. I mean,

1056
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: I always loved college football, but not it's not like

1057
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: it is here anywhere else. And so I'd be driving

1058
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: from here from here over to North Carolina. The whole

1059
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: way to Knoxville, I would see these orange and white

1060
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: pom poms out of cars and I just thought, you

1061
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 1: know what, I want them to be my team. I'm

1062
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: at Tennessee and now and that's that's that's it for me.

1063
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: Now I still root for the Washington Huskies. You know,

1064
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: it'd be tough for me if the Huskies were playing

1065
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: ut But I love college football. I love college basketball

1066
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: me too. I love track. I was terrible in track

1067
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: and field myself.

1068
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 2: You love track like a watch track.

1069
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: Oh, if there's a track, meet on, I'm watching it.

1070
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: Where's the track? Meaning on?

1071
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: There are some of those like higher sports channels, you know,

1072
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: like like.

1073
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: Bally's twelve nineteen. Yes, every once in a while there

1074
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 2: the Olympics. Then.

1075
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: I love the Olympics. In fact, when they when they

1076
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: started alternating it where you get the Olympics every two

1077
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: years instead of just every four that was a red

1078
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: letter day in my life because I used to wait

1079
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: all those four years for the Olympics, and now you

1080
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: only have to wait too. It's great.

1081
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: And where you come from, I guess you guys had

1082
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 2: a winter.

1083
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: Too, Yes, not a not a harsh winter.

1084
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: Enough winter though to understand some of the winter sports. Oh, yes,

1085
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 2: cause we don't. I mean, I'm from Arkansas. I don't

1086
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 2: know anything about skiing.

1087
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: Yes, no, And I and I didn't know them, but

1088
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: like my dad knew people who were Olympic skiers, so

1089
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: that and and other people. You know, Oh, I went

1090
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: to school with so and so who who was an

1091
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: Olympic skier or ice skaters? Tanya Harding. That was a

1092
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: big thing my senior year in high school was the

1093
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: whole Tanya Harding thing.

1094
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: And that was yes, whackening the knee of Carigan.

1095
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Tanya Harding would train at I think it

1096
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: was the Clackamas Town Center, which was in Oregon, which

1097
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: where I grew up. Going to Portland was as close

1098
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: to as going to Seattle, and I remember I wanted

1099
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: to go watch her practice and we didn't do that,

1100
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: but but that was that was big news around where

1101
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: I was from.

1102
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a hometown story that goes national. Yes, yeah,

1103
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 2: that's the fact that I still remember Jeff Galuli's name. Yes,

1104
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: that's wild. Did you ever see it? Tanya? I did?

1105
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: What did you think about it?

1106
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: Loved it me too? I thought she did such a

1107
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: good jobs. And then the woman who played her mom.

1108
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: Uh do you she was also on that show Mike

1109
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 2: with Yes Moms with the Yeah.

1110
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: She was awesome, Yes, just great.

1111
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 2: Did you see Barbie, I did, do you like it?

1112
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 1: I liked it, I didn't love it as much as

1113
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: everyone else.

1114
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: Maybe that was the problem. You heard too many people

1115
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: say they loved it.

1116
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: Might have been I mean, or maybe I saw it

1117
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: on the wrong day. I don't know. I was so

1118
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: hyped up for it. You know the movie that like,

1119
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: I wasn't hyped up for that's been my favorite movie

1120
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: and several years was Top Gun Maverick.

1121
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it. Oh, everybody's told me it's so good,

1122
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 2: there's no way it can meet the expectation. So I've

1123
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: purposely not watched it because there's no way it can

1124
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 2: be as good as everybody says.

1125
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: It's pretty great, and and I even said to a

1126
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: friend of mine that was talking about Barbie, I said,

1127
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: I really liked it. I said, I think I thought

1128
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: it was going to be how I felt about Top Gun,

1129
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: and it wasn't. I mean, it was. It's great, though.

1130
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: I think it's a real mother daughter thing. Everybody I

1131
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 1: know who really or like Shane, he took his daughter

1132
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: and he loved it. I think there's something about having

1133
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: a daughter and taking your daughter to that movie.

1134
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 2: Dang, I loved it. I was like emotional watch.

1135
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: Oh we were okay, Yeah, well you'll just be a

1136
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: good dad when you have a yes.

1137
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: I mean, my wife tells me I'm about I'm the

1138
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 2: most feminist dude that she knows as like a confident

1139
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 2: sometimes a little too much, and I was just like, yeah, man,

1140
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 2: we women, we're we're not even understood what's unfit because

1141
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 2: She's like, okay, relax, but yeah, I really I really

1142
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 2: like Barbie, Mike, like you like Barbie.

1143
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: Huh see I love that.

1144
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: Get enough of it.

1145
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: I mean I liked it. I just wasn't you know.

1146
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: I know people who cried, and you know, I didn't

1147
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: have that experience.

1148
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 2: But that's why I don't watch Top Gun, because I

1149
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 2: don't think it can ever meet what everybody says it is,

1150
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 2: and not in a bad way. I'm sure it's.

1151
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: Awesome seeing when I when I saw Top Gun, I

1152
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: just watched it on a plane because I thought, well,

1153
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: there's nothing else, And then.

1154
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: I'm so bad.

1155
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm bawling, you know, I'm like, because I loved the original,

1156
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: but I you know, it just hit all the feels

1157
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: for me. But it's because I didn't have any expectation.

1158
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 2: That's usually the best when you have no expectation.

1159
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

1160
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

1161
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 2: You watch TV at all? Are you watch any shows?

1162
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 2: He is in Hijack on Apple Plus yet No with

1163
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 2: Idris elba Oh. I love him, me too, And it's

1164
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 2: like a plane gets hijacked and he's the He gives

1165
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: some sort of credibility to anything, like if he's in it,

1166
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 2: you're all right. Just that voice, yeah, just the fact

1167
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: that he lends any of himself to Yes, we finished that.

1168
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: We binged that. It was really really good, little cheesy

1169
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 2: at very first, but then they got off the cheese

1170
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 2: and it was super good. We're looking for a show now.

1171
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 2: That's why I ask you this, and we'll kind of

1172
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: end with this. Give me something that you've seen that

1173
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: you were just so motivated to get back to.

1174
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: Okay, well, there's something I started last night that I

1175
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: thought was great, which is Painkiller on Netflix.

1176
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: Okay, is that about the Yes, we thought about it.

1177
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: We were looking at things to watch.

1178
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: I was super tired, so I couldn't watch more than

1179
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: one episode, but I loved it. I'm trying to think

1180
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: of something else.

1181
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 2: We started watching Robin Big last night because we were

1182
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: just like, well, we're not going to get anything super deep.

1183
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: So we started watching old Robin Big for like fifteen minutes.

1184
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I love Winning Time.

1185
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 2: Oh it's awesome and it's bad.

1186
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a bet, and.

1187
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: I love that.

1188
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: You know what. I love that you can't stream it.

1189
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: I love it. You have to wait for it because

1190
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: I look forward to it on Sunday nights. I was

1191
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson's my favorite basketball player of all time. So

1192
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: in fact, I'll get into discussions with my godson and

1193
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: he'll say, Grandy think he calls me Grandy. Grandy thinks

1194
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson's the greatest basketball player of all time. I said, no,

1195
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: he's my favorite. Didn't say he was the greatest. I

1196
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: think Michael Jordan's the greatest, but Magic is my favorite.

1197
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: But oh I love why Magic? You know. I think

1198
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: it was his charisma. I just I just he's one

1199
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: of those I don't really I rarely get starstruck. If

1200
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: I met him, I would cry.

1201
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 2: You never met him, never met him.

1202
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure I would cry. I remember I cried when

1203
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: I found out he had HIV. I was at a

1204
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: junior high football game and this kid that was in

1205
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: my class told me, and I just I've loved him

1206
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: once again. I think it was the charisma.

1207
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: Were you a point guard?

1208
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: No, as a shooting guard. But I went to a

1209
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: tiny school, you know, any other school I would have

1210
00:58:58,200 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: had to have been a port guard and I wouldn't

1211
00:58:59,440 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: have been quick enough.

1212
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: Well, I wondered if that was why the magic, if

1213
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 2: you love magic he was also a guard, you know,

1214
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 2: or if it just was the charisma.

1215
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: I think it was this charisma and just yeah, I

1216
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: mean we're such a great player too, but just just

1217
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: everything about him.

1218
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 2: Well, we've done an hour. I don't want to keep you,

1219
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 2: but I want everybody. We talked about it before you

1220
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: got here. Listen. Don't be confused. It's not her first

1221
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 2: album ever, just because it's called Brandy Clark. It is

1222
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: not her intro to the world. It's really good. I

1223
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 2: knew I was gonna love it.

1224
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1225
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm glad I didn't top on it, and no, I

1226
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 2: was gonna love it, So then I didn't listen to

1227
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 2: it because then I but it's just it's it's so good.

1228
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 2: But I think I think everything you do is so good.

1229
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 2: But I'm just a massive fan and sometimes this is

1230
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 2: not you. But sometimes I've had favorite artists and I've

1231
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 2: appreciated maybe different directions they've taken, but it didn't always.

1232
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 2: I always love it with like my sonic sensibilities, we'll

1233
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,479
Speaker 2: call it that. And I worry about that at times,

1234
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 2: whenever I get so hyped that one of my favorite

1235
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 2: people are going to release something, and then when it

1236
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 2: is what I like, I'm like, oh, thank god. And

1237
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:06,959
Speaker 2: this was I was like, oh thank god when.

1238
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: I heard that makes me feel good.

1239
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: Well, even if it had been totally different, I've been like,

1240
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: I respect it your but I just I just loved it.

1241
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: I did. I just loved it, and it made me

1242
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 2: think of my grandma. Like I said, there were just

1243
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 2: time it just felt even more personal, and I didn't

1244
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 2: know if that was the if you felt like that

1245
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:20,439
Speaker 2: was the case too.

1246
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably part of why it was why it

1247
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: was challenging at times, you know, And to be challenged

1248
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: by someone in Brandy Carlisle who won't take anything less

1249
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: than real personal.

1250
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 2: You know, I'm never letting her produce my album, never

1251
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: never doing an album. I've never letting her produce it either.

1252
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: Great to see you, you too, everybody please stream Lovey.

1253
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 2: I mean it's great, and it's been out three yeah,

1254
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 2: three months. Yeah, dang, it's already been out three months.

1255
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 2: Three yeah, and shucked. Now I have to go see it.

1256
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you'll like it.

1257
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 2: It's super cool. And are you making a bunch of

1258
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: money off?

1259
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: Shucked? Well, not yet, but I think we will.

1260
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 2: Is it like a song? I guess my question is

1261
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 2: not how much money? Is it like a song? When

1262
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 2: it goes top five, number one, it takes a while

1263
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 2: for the residuals to come in, But you know it's coming.

1264
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, we know it's coming. And when it really starts

1265
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: to when it really starts to pay off, is when

1266
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: it tours and they've booked a national tour.

1267
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, congratulations, thank you.

1268
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: And so you know it'll and that's one of those

1269
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: that that'll be an evergreen sort of thing, you know,

1270
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: and it's you'll see it. You'll notice it when you

1271
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: see it. It's for Broadway. It's a very inexpensive show.

1272
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: There's nothing automated, and so every community college high school

1273
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: in America will be able to do it. Now, they'll

1274
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: have to clean up some of the humor.

1275
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 2: But I know that they'll last question. I want to

1276
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 2: keep it out. I could do this for four hours.

1277
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 2: May last question. Is there anything in Chucked that in

1278
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 2: ten years ago that might get me canceled but right

1279
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 2: now it's funny.

1280
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: No, at times there was there were. I mean, we

1281
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: really got lucky that it came out when it did

1282
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: and not sooner, because there were times where some of

1283
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: the humor was sexist. There was never anything racist in it,

1284
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: but definitely there was some sexist humor for a while.

1285
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: And well maybe there were nothing racist. Maybe things that

1286
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: could have come across and this is going to sound

1287
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: crazy because it was written by three gay people. There

1288
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: was a there were a few little homophobic things that

1289
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: were that are gone, that were inside jokes that were

1290
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: funny to us, but I think maybe would have gotten

1291
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: us canceled.

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Speaker 2: Okay, final last question. I've had a lot of last questions.

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Speaker 2: Final last question. If let's say the actor who was

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Speaker 2: playing the main character, Mason's in name was yeah, Let's

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Speaker 2: say she's like, oh, I can't my throat hurts. Because

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Speaker 2: I always thought if I'm on an airplane and they're

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Speaker 2: like we need to make a land us, Okay, I'll

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Speaker 2: go do it. I don't know how to do it,

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Speaker 2: but I can figure it out. But you know these songs,

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Speaker 2: could you go and play her role with fifteen minutes? Notice?

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Speaker 1: I did it? So wait, this is a great question. Yes.

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Speaker 1: So we were in New York City and it was

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Speaker 1: after the show had opened, but before the Tonies, and

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Speaker 1: so you know that's when all the Tony voters are coming.

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Speaker 1: They can't come before it officially opens. And so it

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Speaker 1: was when all the smoke was happening in New York

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Speaker 1: from Canada. And I just happened to be in New

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Speaker 1: York doing radio at Warner Records, and our producer called

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Speaker 1: me three times. I was in doing some things and

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Speaker 1: I thought, well, that's strange. I better take this call.

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Speaker 1: So I stepped out and it's five o'clock and he said, hey,

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Speaker 1: where are you And I said, well, I'm at Warner Records.

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Speaker 1: And he said, well, all the Mazies have called out.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that if you could do a concertized,

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Speaker 1: concertized version of it? Because Robert the book writer was there.

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Speaker 1: He said, Robert, we'll read all the dialogue, you sing

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Speaker 1: the songs. And I said, sure, I can do it.

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Speaker 1: And so five o'clock the curtains at seven point thirty,

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Speaker 1: leave Warner, go go down to the theater, run through

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Speaker 1: it with the music director. He changed the keys he could,

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Speaker 1: but he couldn't chae all the keys, and so they

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Speaker 1: sat Robert and I down on barrels, and then the

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Speaker 1: whole cast was around us on barrels. But they got

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Speaker 1: up and did their scenes. And so we did it.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, it gave me mad respect

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Speaker 1: for anyone who does it, because it looks way easier

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Speaker 1: than it is. And I've even said, as we've because

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Speaker 1: we've had to recast that role just because our lead

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Speaker 1: had to leave the show, and different names would come

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Speaker 1: up of oh, we could get this person to play

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Speaker 1: it like popular music people, and I would say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, and everybody would look at me

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Speaker 1: and say, well, yeah, they can sing that. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: they can't. I've done it. If I can barely do it,

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Speaker 1: this person you're talking about can't. You know? Now, there

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Speaker 1: are some singers who definitely could do that and more.

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Speaker 1: But it's a tough role.

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Speaker 2: What a great question about me? I'm glad to ask that.

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Speaker 2: And we're gonna end it now. She said, a great

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Speaker 2: question that you can't. I'm gonna sign fill this thing

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Speaker 2: and end at the top. You're the best.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you are as much of a fan of.

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Speaker 2: Of you, of me, possible. I'm obsessed, so possible at

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Speaker 2: the Brandy Clark and you guys go check out the

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Speaker 2: album if you haven't already.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Brandy, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.