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Speaker 1: Good morning, Peepsen, and welcome to Look f Daily with

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Speaker 1: me your girl, Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker.

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Speaker 1: So earlier this week, Hunter Biden was found guilty of

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Speaker 1: three felony counts as it pertains to the possession of

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Speaker 1: been busted for using drugs. Blah blah, blah blah. And

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Speaker 1: you know, the Right has been in an uproar over

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden for the last I don't even know how

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Speaker 1: many years. And what pisses me off about this is

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Speaker 1: that Hunter Biden is like a lot of people in

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Speaker 1: the United States that have been addicted to drugs that

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Speaker 1: struggle with addiction. I mean, the opioid crisis in and

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Speaker 1: of itself has millions of people in this country in

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Speaker 1: a chokehold, right. You know, the pharmaceutical companies that started

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Speaker 1: the crisis knowing that their drugs were addictive, but you know,

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Speaker 1: Republicans allowed them to get off and not be sued

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Speaker 1: for the deaths and the addiction of so many. That

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Speaker 1: is all on a side. What frustrates me is that

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Speaker 1: the Democrats, when given blatant criminality, do not use their

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Speaker 1: power and position as folks with the ability to create

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Speaker 1: committee hearings, to draw in headlines, to bring America's attention

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Speaker 1: to those that are criminals, like the Kushner's. So Jared

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Speaker 1: and Ivanka right with no fucking expence, became advisors to

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Speaker 1: the president of the United States. You all know that

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Speaker 1: if Hillary Clinton had been president, Chelsea would have been

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Speaker 1: probably in a different country, right, nothing to do at

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Speaker 1: all with her mother's administration. We also know that no

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Speaker 1: other Democrat, no other person, frankly, had their children involved

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Speaker 1: in their administrations whatsoever, because of the blurred lines, because

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Speaker 1: of nepotism, because of a whole host of things that

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Speaker 1: don't apply to the Trumps. So following now, which I

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Speaker 1: are perceived these days, when you can apparently do whatever

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Speaker 1: the fuck you want so long as you're white and

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Speaker 1: rich and male, which has always been the case in America,

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Speaker 1: But if your name is Trump or attached to Trump,

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Speaker 1: you can absolutely do whatever the fuck you want. So now,

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Speaker 1: two years following or three years really following the end

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Speaker 1: of the Trump administration, if you all remember Jared Kushner,

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Speaker 1: who again no experience, couldn't get security clearance, but that

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Speaker 1: but what we do know is that when Jared Kushner

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Speaker 1: empty handed. He received two billion dollars from Mohammed bin Salam,

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Speaker 1: the Foreign Affairs Advisor, he told his father in law,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump to embrace Saudi Arabia as an ally right,

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Speaker 1: which should raise concerns for everyone. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: have to remind you, and maybe I do about Jamal Koshogi,

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Speaker 1: the Report Order, the writer for the Washington Post who

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Speaker 1: was murdered and dismembered by MBS, and Trump didn't care, right,

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Speaker 1: He's like, oh, he's not an American, he was NBS

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Speaker 1: we know about, right. We know that he abuses his

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Speaker 1: own people all of these things and does dirt, but nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: because of his deep pockets, the Trumps love that and

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Speaker 1: off of that. So now Senate Finance Committee chair Ron Wyden,

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Speaker 1: Democrat from Oregon, has asked Kushner's firm, Affinity Partners, for

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Speaker 1: details about its investors on Wednesday, including the two billion

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Speaker 1: and this is what is said by Chairman Widen quote.

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Speaker 1: Mister Kushner's limited track record as an investor, including his

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Speaker 1: other sovereign wealth funds. This panel screens investments for the

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Speaker 1: Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund warned right warned against investing with

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Speaker 1: Kushner given his inexperience in finance, but the full board,

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Speaker 1: led by the Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salam, overruled right.

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Speaker 1: So even his own even MBS's own people said, don't

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Speaker 1: We don't really know what he's up to, and MBS said, nah,

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Speaker 1: Kushner advised Trump on foreign affairs, guided his administration to

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Speaker 1: widen quote. The Saudi PIF's decision to invest two billion

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Speaker 1: should have happened in twenty twenty one. This investigation should

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Speaker 1: And it should have been wall to wall coverage there

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Speaker 1: Justice in twenty twenty one. None of these things happened

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Speaker 1: because of politics, and this is where Democrats continue to

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Speaker 1: But Merrick Garland decided to look the other way, not

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Speaker 1: And so it was politics that stood in the way

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Speaker 1: my conversation with our in house doctor who is back

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Speaker 1: with us, doctor Jonathan Metzel. We talk about gun ownership

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Speaker 1: arms dealers pray upon fear and racism and bias. That

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Speaker 1: see you and have you back.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm so glad to be here. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It is pride here on WOKF, so happy pride, and

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Speaker 1: there are so many issues obviously that affect the LGBTQ

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: What have you seen in and around you know, the

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Speaker 2: for example, gay Tennesseeans were just as likely as everyone

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Speaker 1: And so there's this need to protect yourself. Can you

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Speaker 2: Well, let me just say, because this is really the

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Speaker 2: there's ever a law that says that people in those

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Speaker 2: So you know who acts like this, They're called arm stealers. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: certain that that was probably stolen too, it's part of

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Speaker 1: us reason, You're right exactly. I'm like, I'm sure that

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Speaker 1: that was not invented here. But it's just this idea.

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Speaker 1: I think that it really does go back to the

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Speaker 1: lack of community and the lack of sense of community

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Speaker 1: at COVID, right, we had the absolute wrong, maniacal, egomaniac,

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Speaker 1: you know, fascist president at a time when Americans needed

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Speaker 1: to come together more than ever right to support one

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Speaker 1: another and to be and let me just say, outside

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Speaker 1: of the diabolical nature of the Trump administration, there were

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Speaker 1: a lot of stories of people coming together and people

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Speaker 1: doing what was necessary in their buildings, in their community

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Speaker 1: to help one another during that really horrible time. But

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Speaker 1: with a lack of leadership from the top about the

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Speaker 1: responsibility of building community. I honestly, you know, maybe I'm crazy,

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Speaker 1: but outside of Obama, I really can't think of another

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Speaker 1: president that really was about what really was community minded.

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Speaker 1: And as a reminder, Obama was a community organizer, and

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Speaker 1: so I don't like maybe efty, but I don't really

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Speaker 1: think so, because again that was like largely racist.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you think about like what we

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Speaker 2: did as we entered World War One, you know, like

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Speaker 2: there were all these community sharing things. You know, people

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Speaker 2: didn't eat meat on Friday and weet on Wednesday. We

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Speaker 2: created the Federal Reserve, We created all of these regulations

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Speaker 2: to help farmers. Then we had like a you know,

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Speaker 2: economic collapse after it. But there have been moments when

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Speaker 2: we have like a common enemy where we kind of

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Speaker 2: come together. But I hope it doesn't take that right

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Speaker 2: now because the common enemy is speaking our very own

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Speaker 2: language right now.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well, my friend, we will leave it there today,

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Speaker 1: but appreciate having you back.

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Speaker 2: It's good to be back. So thank you everybody for

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Speaker 2: thank you for this community. Honestly, it's great.

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Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends on woke

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Speaker 1: A app as always power to the people and to

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Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.