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Speaker 2: Today is Thursday, February twenty second, twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 2: we are officially sixty three days away from the NFL
Speaker 2: Draft in Detroit, Michigan. Welcome into the Draft Show presented
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Speaker 2: to the NFL Draft. We've got plenty to talk about
Speaker 2: today in a loaded show for you, so we're not
Speaker 2: gonna waste a whole lot of time.
Speaker 3: We've got Bobby Belt.
Speaker 2: Brian brought us back in the fold here on this Thursday,
Speaker 2: Aisha Morrison and Nick Harris. I'm Kyle Yeomans with Chris
Speaker 2: Beam in the back. So, Brian, you said you couldn't
Speaker 2: miss a show.
Speaker 4: Could miss show? You were still on vacation. I was
Speaker 4: in California. Watch the show Tuesday. You guys did the
Speaker 4: hell of a job. Uh my business wrapped up and
Speaker 4: got back on a plane last night. And yes, I
Speaker 4: could not miss this show. And I love the conversation
Speaker 4: that we had. I was waiting at the airport and
Speaker 4: we were fired texts at each other. I love the
Speaker 4: passion and I think this is going to be a
Speaker 4: hell of a show today sixty three days their scout,
Speaker 4: lady gee?
Speaker 3: Or that you ready to roll? Yeah? You're muted?
Speaker 2: Down there a strike one for for Aisha Morrison in
Speaker 2: the draft show this year.
Speaker 5: Down like three like that?
Speaker 3: Is it still muted?
Speaker 6: I want it?
Speaker 3: I didn't press any buttons. I don't know what's going
Speaker 3: on in the solar flare. It's the solar flare. That's
Speaker 3: what it's getting us too, Is it there?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 3: You sound better? Nice?
Speaker 5: Anybody come to see you?
Speaker 3: What were you gonna say?
Speaker 8: I was no.
Speaker 5: I was saying, is it's sneaking up on us fast?
Speaker 8: But the dope things that combines next week, and that's
Speaker 8: gonna put things in formation for us so we can
Speaker 8: live our lives and start getting our boards together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know who's been putting their wards together.
Speaker 2: And he sent me a text message last night he said,
Speaker 2: don't worry, I'm caught up. Now that's Bobby Belt coming
Speaker 2: almost back. I would consider seventy plus players caught.
Speaker 9: Out by now that's close enough. It's not up to
Speaker 9: Brian yet.
Speaker 3: What are you at Brian, I'm right over one hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty five. Okay, that not cut but I was.
Speaker 9: He was at like eighty and I think it was
Speaker 9: at like ten at one point. So we're gonna cut through.
Speaker 3: Who's the best player you watched this week? The best
Speaker 3: player watched this week was probably man. I don't know
Speaker 3: the wide receiver from Oregon. No, not the wide re
Speaker 3: from Moregan. Probably.
Speaker 9: I mean, I really like klen Bullet. I know, I
Speaker 9: know not everybody else does. Like I mean, I was
Speaker 9: talking to Zach about him last night, and Zach is
Speaker 9: just like, Nope, got to move in the corner.
Speaker 3: He's too thin, he's not physical enough. The usc kid, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: the USCA.
Speaker 4: You know what, It's funny because you say that, and uh,
Speaker 4: there was a discussion. Daniel Jeremiah had the discussion and
Speaker 4: I tweeted at him about it.
Speaker 3: I think Daniel's got me on mute.
Speaker 4: I think he follows me, but he got me on
Speaker 4: mute because he didn't answer back.
Speaker 3: He's usually pretty good about it. He's just really really busy.
Speaker 4: But we were talking about that that people were trying
Speaker 4: to kind of figure out where to play him. Nickel
Speaker 4: corner corner. You know the kids has incredible range, he
Speaker 4: really really does. And he's got ball skills too. The
Speaker 4: problem is, though you watch there's the tackling that occasionally.
Speaker 3: Will be a little bit hit and miss with him.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I just think true, like I mean, he's a
Speaker 9: legitimate center fielder like that. To me, that's the thing
Speaker 9: that I like about him. Obviously he's not He's got
Speaker 9: the questions about the physicality, the size. He's very thin,
Speaker 9: but I think just overall long, lean, everything else like that,
Speaker 9: But he is somebody who I just think his ability
Speaker 9: and coverage and the way that he sees things and
Speaker 9: the way he can cover with range, that to me
Speaker 9: is just really valuable. And I understand that the limitations
Speaker 9: are there not to be you know, a box safety,
Speaker 9: but to me, he's just he's the opposite of somebody
Speaker 9: that you would talk about like Tyler Neuman or one
Speaker 9: of these other box at safeties, where this is a
Speaker 9: guy who can actually play centerfield, which I think is
Speaker 9: a little more valuable into today's game than you know,
Speaker 9: what the strong safeties are doing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you think he's a true free.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I think he can play free.
Speaker 3: I put him in my free category.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what I was about to say.
Speaker 8: I mean, and to your point, Bobby, I do think
Speaker 8: there is values different depending on schame. There is value
Speaker 8: to having a guy that can really take away, you know,
Speaker 8: the deep threat at a serious level, also take some
Speaker 8: pressure off your corners.
Speaker 5: I would do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And we may talk a little bit more about Kalyn
Speaker 2: Bullock here in a little bit as well, because we've
Speaker 2: got some We've got some segments piece together one, two, three,
Speaker 2: We've got three really fun ones for you today, and
Speaker 2: we're gonna start things off. Brian brought this up in
Speaker 2: our group message, a little stand or move, and we've
Speaker 2: got some players that we want to throw out here.
Speaker 2: Every person has had a player that they would either
Speaker 2: have at a Cowboys pick.
Speaker 3: Doesn't have to be a first rounder, right correct.
Speaker 2: So at this point you would say, would you rather
Speaker 2: stay in and pick the player based off of the
Speaker 2: prospect that's available, or maybe move out and go out
Speaker 2: and pull the parachute back up, trade up or trade back?
Speaker 2: I should say to get out of the spot. So Nick,
Speaker 2: I'll let you start things off. You had we threw
Speaker 2: around four hundred names I felt like last night in
Speaker 2: our group message, but Nick, I'll let you start.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we're gonna start this one off with Tyler Newman,
Speaker 10: the safety out of Minnesota. Just talking about him. He
Speaker 10: a second ago. We've talked about him on this show
Speaker 10: so much, I feel like in the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 10: but this is a situation where I want to emphasize it.
Speaker 10: He has a good combine next week and he jumps
Speaker 10: up and he's that clear number one safety on the board,
Speaker 10: and there's kind of an overarching conclusion and that he
Speaker 10: is that guy. He's available at twenty four. Your offensive
Speaker 10: line options they're gone. This is the guy that the
Speaker 10: draft room wants to look at and take right here.
Speaker 10: What do you do?
Speaker 3: What do you do? Brian?
Speaker 4: He's the best safety in the country to me. And
Speaker 4: you know what, the thing now that we have to
Speaker 4: determine and we got a new defensive coordinator, and how
Speaker 4: important is the ability to the interchangeable parts. I think
Speaker 4: this is a very interchangeable player, I really really do.
Speaker 4: I love the way he plays down hill, I love
Speaker 4: the way he covers, I love the way he plays
Speaker 4: with range. I do think this is the best safety
Speaker 4: in the country. I'm standing I'm standing in and picking
Speaker 4: the player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think so as well.
Speaker 8: It's hard for me to wrap my mind around the
Speaker 8: fact that like safety is could be a need, but
Speaker 8: it's like not a but.
Speaker 4: And if you're wiped out as your offensive lineman, uh okay,
Speaker 4: when you say wiped out in your offensive lineman, all
Speaker 4: our sinners are the out of the picture right.
Speaker 10: Now, Zach Fraser's on the board.
Speaker 4: Okay, see now that's the name I'm gonna I know
Speaker 4: that maybe we're gonna get to that was a game
Speaker 4: my throw at you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I would.
Speaker 8: I also will ask last year, when was the first
Speaker 8: safety taken?
Speaker 3: Second round? I thought, let me go back, was it
Speaker 3: Brian Branch?
Speaker 5: I think it was Brian. I think it was Brian.
Speaker 3: If it's Brian Branch, I was thirty one.
Speaker 5: No, I'm only asking you because we have we've seen
Speaker 5: the safety position kind of.
Speaker 3: I saw him safety safety or a corner forty five.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So okay, because that's that's why I'm asking, because
Speaker 8: I feel like safety has been this position. That's the
Speaker 8: last couple of years. You see a lot of guys
Speaker 8: fall about the first round now, so I just.
Speaker 4: I know my personal opinion is this defense needs to
Speaker 4: get better up the middle. Talking know it, and if
Speaker 4: it means grabbing one of these you know, defensive tackles
Speaker 4: from Texas, Grabbing that linebacker from Michigan every close years
Speaker 4: kind of a thing. Grabbing a safety from Minnesota, get
Speaker 4: better up the middle of this defense, right, you know,
Speaker 4: Mike Zimber will figure things out.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I just the interchangeable pieces with Nubid. If you give
Speaker 4: me the opportunity to draft Nube to me, that's a
Speaker 4: first round grade on my board. There's a certain round
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have probably twenty twenty one to twenty four
Speaker 4: first round grades, you know, depending on what medicals and
Speaker 4: all that shake.
Speaker 3: Nuba is going to be one of those guys.
Speaker 4: You're letting me pick him inside my range of really
Speaker 4: first round grades.
Speaker 2: By the way, Brian Branch forty five last year, if
Speaker 2: you don't want to consider him a true safety, jar
Speaker 2: Tavius Martin was drafted by Washington at forty seven. So
Speaker 2: and I can see the comments already of this team
Speaker 2: would never draft a safety in the first round, which
Speaker 2: I can see that already on Twitter on whatever.
Speaker 3: But that could be the case. But he's a first
Speaker 3: round right, she said, give me somebody that can help corners.
Speaker 4: You know, give me somebody that you don't have to
Speaker 4: worry about the ball going over the head, or you know,
Speaker 4: a physical player.
Speaker 3: You know this guy.
Speaker 4: He's a big hitter, he can cover, he's got range.
Speaker 4: There's a lot to like. This guy is a difference maker.
Speaker 4: I will argue that with anybody in a room. You know,
Speaker 4: if you tell me all the offensive linemen are gone,
Speaker 4: with the exception of Fraser. Now, I'm I know how
Speaker 4: bad I want a center. I mean, trust me, I'm
Speaker 4: going to jump two size fourteen's up on this table
Speaker 4: to get a center.
Speaker 3: But you know what, this kid right here makes.
Speaker 4: Me think a little little bit about how you know
Speaker 4: how much better we could be with this type of
Speaker 4: player on our defense.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you talk about his ability to come up from
Speaker 10: that third level and be able to impact the play
Speaker 10: from into the backfield. I mean, he's a guy that
Speaker 10: affects all eleven players on the field. He's a guy
Speaker 10: that can kind of be the quarterback of the defense
Speaker 10: too later in his career. This is the guy you
Speaker 10: want in the locker room. This is the guy you
Speaker 10: want on a field. He's a guy that will start
Speaker 10: day one wherever.
Speaker 5: He lands before we transition. Quick question, when is Mollie
Speaker 5: Cooker's How long is his?
Speaker 3: He's got one more year later.
Speaker 9: It was a two year deals that last offseason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who's two year deal?
Speaker 8: So I mean I think that means it does it
Speaker 8: does him growing into you know, being that quarterback if necessary.
Speaker 4: I'm trying not to let Mollie Cooker affect me and
Speaker 4: end up taking.
Speaker 3: A really good player.
Speaker 4: Yes, I know this organization has been hunting, hunting a
Speaker 4: guy like number twenty eight, that used to player Darren
Speaker 4: Woodson type of a player.
Speaker 3: His kid's got some of those traits.
Speaker 4: He doesn't have the maybe or the quickness, but the
Speaker 4: way he attacks people, I would say that that you're
Speaker 4: starting to there's some there's some similarities here.
Speaker 3: See I don't know.
Speaker 9: I think when and I don't want to be wet
Speaker 9: blanket guy all day to day. But for me, Nuban,
Speaker 9: like I think Newban's really really good and I think
Speaker 9: Nuban does everything really well. I think he's really smart.
Speaker 9: I think a lot of the questions about like long
Speaker 9: speed or some of those things, I think he can
Speaker 9: make up with it just with just how like high
Speaker 9: IQ he is and how quick his recognition is, but
Speaker 9: like I do wonder just a little bit. The question
Speaker 9: for me is like with the range, I know there
Speaker 9: is some range there, but to me it's like I
Speaker 9: think he's a little tight in some of his transitions.
Speaker 9: I don't know how quickly he turns he gets back.
Speaker 9: I don't know how well that's going to play at
Speaker 9: the next level. To me, I think he's like if
Speaker 9: you want to look at a much better player, I think,
Speaker 9: much better potential here. But to me, it's the same
Speaker 9: sort of things with Donovan Wilson, where in terms of
Speaker 9: being able to play things in front of him, not
Speaker 9: necessarily being able to play things behind him, like to
Speaker 9: have that Range's.
Speaker 3: The instincts at all with Donovan Wilson. No, like I said,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 9: Better player, but I think same sort of thing of
Speaker 9: plays better with the passing in front of him rather
Speaker 9: than covering deep. I don't think he's center field. To me,
Speaker 9: I don't think he's just a box safety. But I
Speaker 9: don't think he's just I don't think he's a pure like.
Speaker 9: I don't think he's got that center field range ability.
Speaker 9: His IQ is really high. He's able to compensate for
Speaker 9: some of that get into position that way. But I
Speaker 9: just I see tightness at times with him. I don't
Speaker 9: see the long speed. I just wonder about how that
Speaker 9: plays at the next level.
Speaker 2: Where would you play him if you had one spot
Speaker 2: and you had to pigeonhole him into a spot.
Speaker 9: I mean he's he's more of a strong I think
Speaker 9: that's how I view Hi's more of a strong safety.
Speaker 9: But I don't think he's like completely in capable. I
Speaker 9: just I want to see the testing of the combine
Speaker 9: for sure. I want to see how he's doing, like
Speaker 9: I want to see what the three cone looks like.
Speaker 9: I want to see what some of the forty stuff
Speaker 9: looks like, the ten yard splits. I want to see
Speaker 9: that explosiveness from him for sure.
Speaker 3: Where would you play him, Brian, I play M Free.
Speaker 4: I think he's I think he's I say free, and
Speaker 4: he's an interchangeable player to me.
Speaker 3: He's six two, he's two ten. You know he plays downhill.
Speaker 4: I've seen him cover, I've seen him carry, I've seen
Speaker 4: him play in trail positions.
Speaker 3: You know, this guy's This guy's.
Speaker 4: Much better player than some of us are getting credit for.
Speaker 3: This is a good one. Nick to start off a
Speaker 3: lot of stay or trade back. Are we picking the player?
Speaker 2: I know you guys are picking Bobby orre you trading out?
Speaker 2: You're trading out.
Speaker 5: I mean in the first round.
Speaker 3: This is first at twenty four. Yeah, decisions, decisions. Would
Speaker 3: you pick them?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm picking them at twenty four. I think if
Speaker 10: you can get a guy that can come in first year,
Speaker 10: you're expecting jay Ron Curse to probably be out of
Speaker 10: the equation. If you're taking a safety here in the
Speaker 10: first round, that's a guy that can work in with
Speaker 10: Mollie Cooker and Donovan Wilson this season, and then if
Speaker 10: you want to move on from Ellie Cooker the year
Speaker 10: after next, then you have a guy that can take
Speaker 10: over center field. In my equation, I know I mentioned
Speaker 10: it on the show a couple of weeks ago, but
Speaker 10: I put a marker right on the center of my
Speaker 10: computer and I just looked at hit the radius of
Speaker 10: where he covers on the field, and it's it's it's
Speaker 10: impressive to me. I think you can cover anywhere on
Speaker 10: the field. I think I understand where you're coming from, though, Bobby,
Speaker 10: whenever you're talking about him covering things behind him. But
Speaker 10: I think whenever you look at Big ten offenses and
Speaker 10: what they were specializing to do. I don't think he
Speaker 10: necessarily had to do that as often when he was tested, though,
Speaker 10: I think you're right. I think it is just a
Speaker 10: lack of experience there. I think a couple of years
Speaker 10: in the league. I trust his abilities as instincts a
Speaker 10: to be able to cover that eventually once he gets
Speaker 10: well accustomed to the league.
Speaker 3: And I think.
Speaker 2: I'm with this edge of the table just because I
Speaker 2: don't know what the rest of the board looks like,
Speaker 2: and if my offensive line is dried up, I would
Speaker 2: be very, very inclined.
Speaker 3: To trade out.
Speaker 2: But he's a first round graded player on my board,
Speaker 2: and in terms of window dressing the board and not
Speaker 2: window dressing it, I'm gonna stay in and pick.
Speaker 3: You're gonna make me pick between him and a center.
Speaker 4: That's gonna be a hard thing for me to do
Speaker 4: because I know how damn important center is here.
Speaker 3: You know That's that I mean? Now?
Speaker 4: Is he is he? Am I going to pick him
Speaker 4: over the Oregon Center? Probably not? Am I going to
Speaker 4: pick him maybe over at the West Virginia Center. Fraser,
Speaker 4: Now we're now we're and maybe even the maybe even
Speaker 4: the Duke potential center as well. So I you know,
Speaker 4: I'm was Barton available.
Speaker 10: It's up to you, guys. I don't know that.
Speaker 3: If he's available, I think I'm taking Barton.
Speaker 10: And I was throwing this equation in with the with
Speaker 10: the idea that the offensive lineman that you would have
Speaker 10: liked to take it twenty four going into the draft,
Speaker 10: they're all gone here. So if bar and one of
Speaker 10: those guys said he's out of it, do you.
Speaker 4: Have another position that you would take other than what
Speaker 4: we're looking at right now?
Speaker 3: I mean you're looking at the linebackers.
Speaker 4: Are any of these linebackers better than what we're talking
Speaker 4: about right now?
Speaker 3: With Nuban that.
Speaker 8: You like, I think it will be closed as far
Speaker 8: as Nuben goes. I do think it depends on schematically
Speaker 8: what you think that Zim is going to be thrown
Speaker 8: out there as well?
Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, well he wants interchangeable safeties.
Speaker 3: He fits that mold.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you like him better than said the Texas A
Speaker 3: and M linebacker? Right now? He driank Cooper Cooper? Yes,
Speaker 3: Nuban over Cooper? Yes? Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I have a second round grade on Cooper and I
Speaker 2: have a first round grade on new Aisha.
Speaker 8: I'm just safety. Safety is is something I'm struggling with
Speaker 8: period in this draft.
Speaker 3: See, okay, you're not seeing it. You don't feel like
Speaker 3: you're seeing him.
Speaker 5: See I see him. I see him. I have all
Speaker 5: the those that you guys have said about him. I'm
Speaker 5: just for me.
Speaker 8: I'm still I'm still debating on where he falls. Is
Speaker 8: he's a first round pick or early early second.
Speaker 4: So we're gonna have to We're gonna have we would
Speaker 4: have to convince her to take a safety.
Speaker 3: At twenty four.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it sounds like you're trading back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're moving.
Speaker 5: I'm just struggling with it.
Speaker 8: I think I think I still gotta you guys, maybe
Speaker 8: knows Zim a little bit better than what I do,
Speaker 8: but I'm still getting up to date on what he does.
Speaker 8: When you talk about inertrainable, yeah Zim, yeah Zimmer Reddick right, like, yeah,
Speaker 8: you talk about interchangeable, but what type of interchangeable? But
Speaker 8: I one thing I did right down for Newban is like, yo,
Speaker 8: his IQ is high. You see him baiting paiding quarterbacks.
Speaker 8: His zone awareness is there as well, so he does
Speaker 8: have the smarts to do it.
Speaker 2: I Yeah, I think Zimmer is also trying to figure
Speaker 2: out what type of scheme he's gonna play with.
Speaker 3: These players too.
Speaker 2: I don't think he really knows what's going I mean,
Speaker 2: he does know what's going on, but.
Speaker 5: To your point, to your point, you think he could.
Speaker 8: Be a guy that comes in and does Jaywan Curse
Speaker 8: esque stuff.
Speaker 10: No, I don't believe.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 10: I think his long term projection for me, I want
Speaker 10: him to be that free guy. I think he can
Speaker 10: play that Molly Cooker role tracking.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Bobby, who's your player that you wanted
Speaker 2: to throw in for a little stay or trade.
Speaker 9: I'm sad Zach Walchuk's not here to try and fight
Speaker 9: and scream. But the name that I was thrown out
Speaker 9: there that I was looking at was Cooper Bebe in
Speaker 9: the second round.
Speaker 3: Because Kansas State. Yeah, I guard.
Speaker 9: Kansas State and a when you talk about really smart.
Speaker 3: Highest second round player, second round.
Speaker 9: Player, So when you talk about a really smart high
Speaker 9: IQ player, the mental processing, the sort of things that
Speaker 9: you want to see on the offensive line, where you're
Speaker 9: able to handle those games, those stunts, the other things
Speaker 9: like that, plays with a ton of power. There's a
Speaker 9: lot to like about him. The question for me would
Speaker 9: be in terms of the other aspect that you look
Speaker 9: at with bbe is is the athleticism there. You know
Speaker 9: he's got the short arms, he even and I know
Speaker 9: that doesn't matter as much on the interior, but guys
Speaker 9: have a tendency to get into his chest. Sometimes he's
Speaker 9: able to anchor and that that's you know, he's able
Speaker 9: to combat it a little bit there.
Speaker 3: But this is somebody for me that it's a need.
Speaker 9: In all likelihood, it's a good high IQ player.
Speaker 3: I just don't know.
Speaker 9: Do the athletic limitations leave you saying I'd rather bail
Speaker 9: out of there and see something else in the third.
Speaker 2: And of course this is saying you haven't taken this
Speaker 2: is not of line in the first So if we
Speaker 2: win a different direction, even a tackle just because he
Speaker 2: plays guard, no tackles in the first Yeah, okay, so
Speaker 2: you haven't done anything with your offensive line in this scenario.
Speaker 2: Do you take the guy mister Beebe in the second round?
Speaker 10: I think I'm picking him. I think I'm picking him.
Speaker 10: We've talked about his tenacity. I think I think there's
Speaker 10: enough violence there and I think there's enough experience there
Speaker 10: from Cooper Beby to where you can bring him in.
Speaker 10: I'm not sure if he's a year one starter. I
Speaker 10: think that's probably where you run into some issues. You
Speaker 10: also have to understand what you're going to be doing
Speaker 10: with Tyler Myth going into the draft to be comfortable
Speaker 10: to move him out to left tackle permanently, because that
Speaker 10: would be the idea. Cooper BB cannot play tackle, so
Speaker 10: you're throwing him in at either left guard or waiting
Speaker 10: a year or two and throwing him in at right
Speaker 10: guard if and win Zach Martin departs the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 10: So I think there's a lot of things you would
Speaker 10: have to play around with. There would be a lot
Speaker 10: of talking with the coaching staff, coach Salari to try
Speaker 10: to figure out what his best fit would be. But
Speaker 10: if that type of player is available there at what's
Speaker 10: fifty six, I'm taking them.
Speaker 2: What if the I've just got a simulator up and
Speaker 2: I'm playing around with possible trades. You could pick up
Speaker 2: a fourth to move back about ten spots, So you're
Speaker 2: moving back ten spots to pick up a fourth round
Speaker 2: pick that you don't have right now, by the way
Speaker 2: I've got so do you assume Cooper BB would still
Speaker 2: be on the board after those ten picks. No, he's
Speaker 2: gonna be gone. He's gonna be You got to stay
Speaker 2: in and either pick him or you're not gonna get them.
Speaker 8: But do we think that I'm asking some of these
Speaker 8: mid round guards or some players.
Speaker 10: Though, Yeah, but do you want a guy who can
Speaker 10: start a year two?
Speaker 5: I mean you just said you don't think he's gonna
Speaker 5: be a first year starter.
Speaker 10: Year two, year two? Do you think you have a
Speaker 10: guy here in Cooper BB that can start in year two?
Speaker 10: And if you want that type of guy, I think
Speaker 10: Cooper BB is probably one of your last options because
Speaker 10: under this equation, all those tackles that come out off
Speaker 10: in the first round and after about gosh, Patrick Paul,
Speaker 10: who I would have about tackle twelve, tackle eleven?
Speaker 7: Right now?
Speaker 10: Then you're really sorry.
Speaker 4: What you think about Poony from Kansas? Did you grade
Speaker 4: him as a tackle or a guard?
Speaker 10: I like him as a guard. His body his body type,
Speaker 10: I think is more an interior type of guy. But
Speaker 10: here I would still rather have Cooper BB. I think
Speaker 10: Bbe's better than what you have with Puny.
Speaker 4: Zinner too from is it Zenter from zach Zenter from Michigan. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think see this is the problem I have none.
Speaker 4: I don't think any of these guards are very athletic,
Speaker 4: including BB.
Speaker 3: Yeah, including BB, I really really don't. And if you
Speaker 3: gave me a choice, I'm backing up.
Speaker 4: And if you gave me another choice of probably hitting
Speaker 4: a defensive tackle at the second round, I'm I'm trying
Speaker 4: to grab that Texas kid in the second.
Speaker 3: So you're out. I'm out if I have to.
Speaker 4: If I have to pick a guard in the second
Speaker 4: round of these guys i've currently seen, I mean, we've
Speaker 4: still got work we have to do on some guard.
Speaker 4: Maybe some guy comes from from the depths of nowhere,
Speaker 4: and it's like, well, wait a minute, there's a guard
Speaker 4: at Maryland that we haven't seen, or a guard at
Speaker 4: Indiana that we haven't seen.
Speaker 3: But I am I am out on a guard in
Speaker 3: the second round with this class.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm scared of this.
Speaker 3: Say you're probably doing it early, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm cool. I'm gonna pass on on man.
Speaker 3: Zach walchuk Is is just turning.
Speaker 2: He's listening to I guarantee he's listening. I'm waiting about
Speaker 2: thirty seconds.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get to also too.
Speaker 8: I just I think about what the second round is
Speaker 8: for this team as well.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, it really depends on how.
Speaker 8: The board falls for these folks, because I'm gonna be
Speaker 8: extra worried.
Speaker 4: On Zach's already arguing with us. Had told you he said,
Speaker 4: he says it could beb place center. I wouldn't put
Speaker 4: it past him.
Speaker 5: What you think I was thinking about that when he
Speaker 5: was talking.
Speaker 10: About I think it's I think it's an option for sure,
Speaker 10: but I think he's a better guard long term. I
Speaker 10: think it's an option that you could throw center and
Speaker 10: see what if.
Speaker 2: You if you draft him and you've got both of
Speaker 2: your guards Tyler Smith and Zach Martin. Are you starting
Speaker 2: Cooper BB or brock Hoffman orj Bash?
Speaker 3: I would?
Speaker 8: I mean, we saw Connor Williams do it. He went
Speaker 8: to Miami and was successful. Was it has been successful
Speaker 8: as a center, and he had the baby arms and and.
Speaker 5: Some of the black athleticism.
Speaker 8: Williams well, he was talking about Bobby and so we
Speaker 8: have seen that happen.
Speaker 9: I mean, BB's got everything I see for Bebe says
Speaker 9: he's got the mental processing and the IQ to be
Speaker 9: able to play center. Like I mean to me again,
Speaker 9: it's just the question of playing on the interior in
Speaker 9: this modern game, what they asked you to do getting
Speaker 9: to the second level and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Pull it.
Speaker 9: I just don't know that the athletics problem.
Speaker 3: He can't. I think I would.
Speaker 9: I would, I would bail on BB and I like,
Speaker 9: I think he's fine. But to me, I just take
Speaker 9: a fourth round him, take a fourth round pick and drop.
Speaker 3: Something.
Speaker 5: That fourth is.
Speaker 8: We talked about how rich the mid rounds are in
Speaker 8: this draft, like that fourth. Not having a fourth. Every
Speaker 8: time I think about it, it hurts me a little bit.
Speaker 10: What's worse not having a fourth or not having an
Speaker 10: offensive lineman that can step up and be ready to go.
Speaker 5: When Okay, okay, okay, but what do we what are you?
Speaker 5: Are you looking for a starter? Are you looking for
Speaker 5: a potential starter? There is that necessary right now to you?
Speaker 10: I think, so, okay, Well.
Speaker 3: You don't like TJ. Bass, then I do like TJ.
Speaker 3: Pass No. I think I think he is a don't
Speaker 3: think he could be a starter.
Speaker 10: I think he can be a starter, Yes, but I
Speaker 10: think you need another body in there in case he's
Speaker 10: not ready.
Speaker 3: He's about stop piling. The thing about it is.
Speaker 10: That death so bad? We've seen what that death did
Speaker 10: not do for them first year guard off offensive line.
Speaker 4: I just like I just like the Texas tackle defensive
Speaker 4: tackle Sweat.
Speaker 3: More than him. I just do you think he'd be
Speaker 3: available at fifty six? I think the second round would be.
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be close.
Speaker 2: But I have a higher grade on Sweat than I
Speaker 2: do on BB as well. If he's available, then I'm
Speaker 2: taking Sweat.
Speaker 10: Bucky Brooks had him at seventeen overall in a yeah.
Speaker 3: See, I just don't think he'll be there.
Speaker 5: Barnacles.
Speaker 10: That's what's tough. That's that's what that was wild to
Speaker 10: me because that's the hotel on that too. But I
Speaker 10: don't think it's beyond I don't think it's beyond the
Speaker 10: realm of imagination. I think you could see.
Speaker 4: You don't see him, Okay, you don't see him be
Speaker 4: getting to you. Then in the second round.
Speaker 10: Be shocked.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'd be shocked to Andre Sweat.
Speaker 8: Oh maybe I'd be shocked if he's doing if he
Speaker 8: tests well as well as.
Speaker 2: I'm not betting a half marathon on the guy, But
Speaker 2: if if he's there at fifty six, I would try
Speaker 2: and learn how to do a backflip like I mean
Speaker 2: it would be, because that's what I would want to do.
Speaker 2: If he's there at fifty six and he's taken, I
Speaker 2: would want to.
Speaker 3: Do a backflip. That's how excited i'd be. But I
Speaker 3: just I think he's too good of a player.
Speaker 10: I think I think I'm with you, though, Brian. If
Speaker 10: it's sweating BB on the board, I'm taking sweat. I
Speaker 10: just don't think he's there.
Speaker 5: That's fair because I do.
Speaker 4: There one of these linebackers there. What these linebackers there
Speaker 4: for you?
Speaker 10: You probably got a Peyton Wilson there.
Speaker 2: He probably got a Wilson's off the board. On this
Speaker 2: scenario that I've got just kind of I'm just rolling down.
Speaker 3: Uh, good question.
Speaker 10: Let's see uh click click Jeremonah Trotter Jr.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was gonna say trot Let's say it's Trotter
Speaker 9: and Eikenberg.
Speaker 4: They would probably take Eikenberg because he's probably he's a
Speaker 4: bigger guy.
Speaker 2: Yes, Uh, Bullard's on the board. Chris Jenkins is on
Speaker 2: the board from Michigan.
Speaker 3: That's a three technique.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Uh, I mean nothing.
Speaker 3: Really, Colson Junior Colson's there. There's another Michigan lineback that
Speaker 3: would be fun.
Speaker 2: I am not opposed Braylan Trice from Washington's on the board.
Speaker 4: That's an edge that could really they could play both sides.
Speaker 4: Brook or orro from Clemson's getting better.
Speaker 3: People are starting to kind of get traction on him
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 5: Did you were you impressed with his type or are
Speaker 5: we talking about Roue wi ye?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah it was it was Brian.
Speaker 10: But I think his getting off the ball is really
Speaker 10: impressive to me. I think he's violent at the point
Speaker 10: of attack.
Speaker 3: I like what he brings.
Speaker 10: I just don't know. I don't know here. Second round,
Speaker 10: I don't know here.
Speaker 3: Jeremiah Trotter Junior is there, from Clemson linebacker. I thought
Speaker 3: the problem is he's gonna be too short for these guys.
Speaker 3: I bet yeah, you think.
Speaker 5: They gonna taken They would take Aikenberg.
Speaker 4: Iikeenberg makes every single tackle if you watch the Ohio
Speaker 4: State tape the way I mean, I just I just
Speaker 4: kind of wonder. I wonder if people are gonna ding
Speaker 4: Trotter because he's six foot that's the that's.
Speaker 3: The thing, that's the that's the one. Trotter's a hell
Speaker 3: of a player.
Speaker 4: I mean, trust me, I could put again, both size
Speaker 4: fourteen's up on this table for a guy like that.
Speaker 4: But I just wonder here if they're going to take
Speaker 4: a six foot linebacker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 10: Wonder if there's any any thought about Ivan Pace and
Speaker 10: what he did this past year and how many teams
Speaker 10: looked past.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Talking about Heisher reminds me of that every weekend.
Speaker 10: That was definitely one. I saw a redraft last week
Speaker 10: that had him going seventh overall, and I was like, huh, interesting.
Speaker 2: You should what would you or who is your player
Speaker 2: that you want to stay or trade?
Speaker 8: I if I'm not mistaken, I put in because we
Speaker 8: talked about it the other week.
Speaker 5: Brock Bowers tight end from George.
Speaker 2: Oh, so you've got a falling scenario. He falls to
Speaker 2: twenty four?
Speaker 5: Maybe, I think I think some people are. Didn't he
Speaker 5: have some injuries?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah? Uh maybe not injuries.
Speaker 10: No, he dealt with some banks and bruises, but nothing major.
Speaker 8: Okay, but no, okay, But no, I only say that
Speaker 8: just because you know, we were talking about the size
Speaker 8: and some of that stuff, and so I wonder if
Speaker 8: if there is a run on offensive lineman and all
Speaker 8: that stuff happens, we're tight end falls because I know
Speaker 8: that I feel like, who was the first one that
Speaker 8: went off the board last year?
Speaker 7: Was it?
Speaker 3: Last year? Was Adulton or right ahead of Dallas?
Speaker 8: And it took a little second and to our standard
Speaker 8: last year, the tight ends were it was quite.
Speaker 5: A few in there last year.
Speaker 8: So to me, yeah, absolutely, So to me, I do
Speaker 8: think just because of the position and just kind of
Speaker 8: how it's not how it's valued, but just kind of
Speaker 8: how things happen, maybe he could fall I like.
Speaker 3: What she's saying here, what do you think?
Speaker 10: I think here though, if you have brock Bowers on
Speaker 10: the board, you're going to see a team get really
Speaker 10: aggressive to try to trade up there, and that's they
Speaker 10: could probably give you a third And if that's the case,
Speaker 10: I'm trading back because you don't.
Speaker 3: Need to so it's a third round pick in this scenario,
Speaker 3: is trade back.
Speaker 4: It will he be the best player on the board
Speaker 4: on your Yeah? But he okay, so we're assuming he
Speaker 4: will be the best player on Dallas's board too, right, YEA?
Speaker 3: Barring whatever reason he's falling.
Speaker 5: I mean it could be Bobby cannot take any words.
Speaker 9: No, No, I mean, I like, honestly twenty four and me,
Speaker 9: if you're telling me I can get Brock Bauers, a
Speaker 9: guy who, like for all the hype over the years
Speaker 9: of Kyle Pitts and you know, Vernon Davis and Noah
Speaker 9: fan or whoever they've had, t J. Hawkinson, just the
Speaker 9: different tight ends that have been thrown out there. I've
Speaker 9: never seen a tight end basically single handedly win a
Speaker 9: big time college football game like I did with Brock
Speaker 9: Bowers against Auburn. I'm like, I mean, he is. He
Speaker 9: is such a game changer. And if you're telling me
Speaker 9: he's sitting there at twenty four, if I'm sitting there
Speaker 9: at eleven, I'm probably taking Brock bars like I don't like,
Speaker 9: forget a slide, Like if he slides down to twenty four,
Speaker 9: I'm running and laughing and verifying with the league that
Speaker 9: something didn't happen.
Speaker 3: Do it back? Yeah?
Speaker 9: Absolutely, I'll run the marathon this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anybody, I got it, it was done.
Speaker 9: That to me is the tight end version of Ceede
Speaker 9: Lambfeld You but.
Speaker 4: Any that's that's a good I agree with you. Any
Speaker 4: any anybody interested in holding Kansas City up at thirty two.
Speaker 3: For some stuff holding them up? What do you mean
Speaker 3: trading back to thirty two and having them come get him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: get but maybe maybe.
Speaker 4: They maybe they look at him in such a way
Speaker 4: that they see so much value there that you could
Speaker 4: hold them up for multiple picks.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you want to be the you want to be
Speaker 9: the team that traded away from Travis Kelcey though potentially.
Speaker 3: No, that's that's something we have to think about. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm just swd it out there. I'm
Speaker 4: trying to get what you find a team I brought
Speaker 4: this up. You find a team that is absolutely seeing
Speaker 4: a guy slide and they they're and now they're willing
Speaker 4: to put three or maybe two to three of their
Speaker 4: premium assets out there for you to get. When you
Speaker 4: picked back up you know, you pick back up your
Speaker 4: three at three, you pick back up a four. Now
Speaker 4: it's at the bottom of the board, but you're you're
Speaker 4: you're now you're picking at your spot and you're picking
Speaker 4: at Kansas City spot in this and saying the second
Speaker 4: round or the excuse me, uh, at.
Speaker 3: One, at at three, and at four along with your spots.
Speaker 10: Look with that, I'm taking that in this draft. I'm
Speaker 10: taking that because I feel like you're gonna need those
Speaker 10: middle round those middle round fans you would love to
Speaker 10: be able to pick up a couple of them. I
Speaker 10: think it's worth it. If if Jake Ferguson did not
Speaker 10: have a year that he had last year, I probably
Speaker 10: wouldn't entertain it as much.
Speaker 3: But I think this is a guy that's gonna be
Speaker 3: a perennial pro bowler. So I'm not.
Speaker 10: I'm not concerned about the tight end position. If I
Speaker 10: was concerned about the position, then yes, but I'm not. Unfortunately,
Speaker 10: I'd have to let brock Powers go and it would
Speaker 10: hurt me. It would hurt my soul. Brock Bowers is
Speaker 10: still in Kansas City.
Speaker 2: He'll end up dating like Olivia Rodrigo down somebody like
Speaker 2: it'll be it'll be great for that tight end room.
Speaker 3: That's a good name though, That is a good name.
Speaker 4: That makes you it because you're right, it's got that
Speaker 4: seedy lamb factor.
Speaker 5: Good that was done.
Speaker 3: This. This would be ninety four and one two.
Speaker 4: So give me, give me, give me my picks. You're
Speaker 4: flipping spots. We're going to thirty two.
Speaker 3: So you're dropping eight spots. Give me my spot. Where
Speaker 3: am I at in in the second round?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 3: You are at cav right? Fifty six? Yeah, fifty six Okay,
Speaker 3: where I'm not going to probably get there two, but
Speaker 3: I'm going to get maybe they're three and their four.
Speaker 3: Yeah it would be.
Speaker 9: Or actually it was one spot later to ninety five
Speaker 9: and one thirty three.
Speaker 4: So ninety five and one thirty three to go along
Speaker 4: with what else do I have? Thirty two fifty six,
Speaker 4: give me my third.
Speaker 3: Round pick, third round pick eighty eight seven eighty seven. Okay,
Speaker 3: here we go, guys.
Speaker 4: We're looking at thirty two fifty six eighty seven ninety five,
Speaker 4: one thirty three. Give me the one before one thirty three.
Speaker 3: M Is I gotta scam them. That's a Dallas pick. No,
Speaker 3: that's uh, it's San Francisco.
Speaker 4: Okay, there you go, right there, we make this trade.
Speaker 4: We go to thirty two, and we get Kansas City
Speaker 4: to give us their three and their four. We got
Speaker 4: thirty two fifty six eighty seven ninety five one thirty three.
Speaker 9: And that's it's an entire draft that's about even on
Speaker 9: the trade value chart that jump. So I mean, if
Speaker 9: you wanted to sprinkle with Ryan, like hold them hostage
Speaker 9: for extra like, hey, this is a normal trade value.
Speaker 3: You're not just coming up to take this. You're coming
Speaker 3: to get Bowers.
Speaker 9: And we know you want them, so you got to
Speaker 9: throw the one more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I to me next year, Yeah to me, just
Speaker 3: ask for the first thing.
Speaker 9: I mean, all they can do is say no.
Speaker 4: It would be hard for me to trade away from Bowers,
Speaker 4: it really really would.
Speaker 3: But man, you got my attention.
Speaker 4: We got my attention right now in this draft at
Speaker 4: thirty two fifty six eighty seven ninety five one thirty three.
Speaker 3: You got my attention.
Speaker 2: That's what it would take to get even in the conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you may have to sprinkle a little bit more.
Speaker 3: And over tea. I've got my own picks.
Speaker 4: But when I when I line up my picks with
Speaker 4: the picks they're given, I'm about the wreck shop here
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you get the middle of each round and
Speaker 2: the back half of each trank, and you get to
Speaker 2: split it all up and you're picking.
Speaker 3: I could keep moving these picks too.
Speaker 9: I want to what if they don't want to give
Speaker 9: you to What if they say not there, you don't
Speaker 9: get no, no, but we'll give you two so you
Speaker 9: get the better pick, but you don't.
Speaker 3: Get them, so it just take just take their second
Speaker 3: round so it be thirty two and sixty four, thirty two,
Speaker 3: sixty four, still picking a fifty six. What's fifty six?
Speaker 9: So you go thirty two to fifty six sixty four,
Speaker 9: and then you're picking again at eighty seven.
Speaker 2: I think it's less fun, but that's probably more beneficial
Speaker 2: and more productive from a tame standpoint pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a huge if.
Speaker 4: I if we make this trade, though, can I can
Speaker 4: I count on you guys to give me a guy
Speaker 4: at thirty two, a guy at fifty six, and the
Speaker 4: guy at sixty four.
Speaker 2: Well it brock Bowers is already trade and he's already
Speaker 2: fallen to twenty four. He can follow the thirty two
Speaker 2: Just kidding now, I mean they're trade enough to go
Speaker 2: get the game.
Speaker 8: I know that a lot of people don't think that's possible,
Speaker 8: but I was just looking at the offensive lineman, all the.
Speaker 5: Tackles, all the receivers, quarterbacks, all the quarterbacks.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this whide receiver a class is crazy. This tackle
Speaker 8: class is one of the best we've seen.
Speaker 2: You can load up your team to win now, especially
Speaker 2: with a second round pick. That's a guy who could
Speaker 2: start for you, or at least you think could start
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 3: Wolchuck says, give me the picks.
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's so many.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I mean you're gambling on is more. It's
Speaker 8: more less risk and more reward from doing it that way.
Speaker 3: All right, Ye, no, that was good. It's good. You
Speaker 3: did exactly what you were supposed to do.
Speaker 2: All right, We've got to take our first break when
Speaker 2: we come back, though, we've got.
Speaker 3: Some more mock scenarios. This time.
Speaker 2: We're gonna look at free agency and take a look
Speaker 2: at what free agency could look like and how it
Speaker 2: affects the positional value moving forward toward the NFL Draft.
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Speaker 2: Glad you're with us here on this Thursday. All right, Nick,
Speaker 2: you've got some scenarios. This is this is interesting because
Speaker 2: of course every year we talk about wait until free
Speaker 2: agency things.
Speaker 3: Start to roll and the domino start the fall.
Speaker 2: You've got a mock free agency that would allow us
Speaker 2: to talk about positional value. We're gonna go through the first, second,
Speaker 2: and third rounds and how he could change based off
Speaker 2: of what happens in free agency for the Cowboys. So
Speaker 2: start things off, what did they do in free agency?
Speaker 10: Yeah, you said sixty three days until the draft, that's
Speaker 10: what it is. You got nineteen until free agency. So
Speaker 10: we're getting ready to rock here. So God, under this
Speaker 10: scenario that's coming up fast. It is coming up fast,
Speaker 10: Marshal eleventh is fastly approaching. But basically what we're doing
Speaker 10: here is we're gonna have a mock free agency. Basically,
Speaker 10: we're gonna predict what the Cowboys free agent see will
Speaker 10: look like here in the next month or so, and
Speaker 10: then we're going to kind of talk as a group
Speaker 10: as our draft strategy kind of changes off of that.
Speaker 10: So free agents retained that were on the team last year.
Speaker 10: You bring back Jonathan Haggens at defensive tackle. You bring
Speaker 10: back Tyron Smith on a team friendly one year deal.
Speaker 10: You get him back in the building, and you get
Speaker 10: Jordan Lewis, but you can't get Stefan Gilmour. He wanted
Speaker 10: a little bit more than when you were comfortable with
Speaker 10: paying for him. But you get Jordan Lewis free agents
Speaker 10: signed outside of the building, you get linebackers sees Alsha here,
Speaker 10: it's a run stopper. You bring him in. You can
Speaker 10: put him in that second level. He's durable. You get
Speaker 10: an edge rusher and aj Epanessas and Storn's Armstrong's probably
Speaker 10: out the building, Dante Fowlers out the building, and then
Speaker 10: you get Zach Moss at running back. Do you need
Speaker 10: an extra corner? You have no Biatish, you have no
Speaker 10: j Ron curse. And under this scenario, Jackson powers Johnson
Speaker 10: has gone at twenty four.
Speaker 2: As well, So okay, And in this scenario that means
Speaker 2: Tony Pollard's not back either.
Speaker 3: Bring up Zach Moss. You do not have Tony Pollard.
Speaker 10: Correct, and you do not have of your backup running
Speaker 10: back from from there is Deuce Vaughan Elite Davis And.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Rico Dautll's gone too, right, huh Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: So there's the situation at hand.
Speaker 3: Do you want to run through it one more time? Yeah?
Speaker 10: So, free agents retain Jonathan Hankins, Tyron Smith, Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 10: Free agents signed a sez Al Shahir aj Apanessa, Zach Moss,
Speaker 10: and jpj is gone at twenty four.
Speaker 3: What are your initial thoughts on that, Bobby?
Speaker 9: My initial thought on that off seasons I'm thrilled to
Speaker 9: get al Shah here. That's gets a big, one, massive
Speaker 9: boost to your linebacker corp. I don't love saying goodbye
Speaker 9: to Gilmore, obviously, I think I think this building wouldn't
Speaker 9: love saying goodbye to Gilmore. But I also recognize that
Speaker 9: they're gonna look at it and say, like, the money's
Speaker 9: gotta work, the money's got to make sense. Look, you
Speaker 9: you bring Tyron back, you don't feel like you're necessarily,
Speaker 9: you know, handcuffed into gott to pick an offensive lineman.
Speaker 9: And that's Dallas's approach every free agent period. It feels
Speaker 9: like is let's cover our bases, create contingencies, and then
Speaker 9: pick how we need to pick going into this thing. So, oh,
Speaker 9: Rob mean, I think this would be largely a pretty
Speaker 9: positive offseason leading into the draft. Especially, like I said,
Speaker 9: if I can get alshe year, I'm thrilled with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a next level player that you haven't had
Speaker 3: at that second level in a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you get Jonathan Hankins back too, So you're
Speaker 2: talking about improving.
Speaker 3: Brian brought it up earlier.
Speaker 2: Fix the middle of your defense, straight up and down
Speaker 2: all three levels. You need something in the middle of
Speaker 2: your defense. You've got the first two levels taken care of,
Speaker 2: but you might have taken a hit from a cornerback standpoint.
Speaker 3: Jordan Lewis in the slot.
Speaker 2: You've got two guys Toron Bland Trayvon Diggs that can
Speaker 2: play the boundary. But then after that, where does your
Speaker 2: depth look like in terms of the cornerback position.
Speaker 3: It doesn't look tremendous.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I think bringing back Jay lou is
Speaker 8: kind of important here, especially with what he was able
Speaker 8: to do at the nickel and come in and also too,
Speaker 8: I do think that nickel is far more It's a
Speaker 8: little bit more complicated than playing that boundary. If you
Speaker 8: are going to bring a young guy in here, you
Speaker 8: need him to perform. Putting him out there on the
Speaker 8: boundary is a little bit less stressful than putting him
Speaker 8: in the nickel right now. So I think bringing him back,
Speaker 8: I think that's a low key, high key important part
Speaker 8: of what's going on. It definitely would like Al say
Speaker 8: says ye say.
Speaker 5: Al sha Al Shayer, Okay, thank you so much.
Speaker 8: As far as Espinosasa, we've we saw.
Speaker 5: Him do some good things from this. He plays he
Speaker 5: played like a little crazy person as well. How does
Speaker 5: he help you in run defense?
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's that's the question that you have to be
Speaker 10: comfortable with. I think that's where SiZ Asha here comes
Speaker 10: in comes in the equation. I mean absolutely defendering that
Speaker 10: second level. You also bring back Jonathan Hankins, so you
Speaker 10: had your comfortable for your comfortable in run defense, but
Speaker 10: you also know that this is probably not building for
Speaker 10: the future. I think this scenario gives the Cowboys a
Speaker 10: little bit more flexibility for a to be able to
Speaker 10: kind of build past twenty twenty four and also be
Speaker 10: uh be able to pick best player available at twenty boom.
Speaker 3: You hit it right on the head.
Speaker 4: That's it, because what's happening is you let me pick
Speaker 4: my center and now I'm just picking the best players
Speaker 4: is what I'm doing. I'm trying to find I'm navigating
Speaker 4: this thing. I've got my linebacker, I got my edge,
Speaker 4: I got my running back, I got my defensive tackle,
Speaker 4: I got an offensive tackle. I got my nickel corner back. Okay,
Speaker 4: so now if I can find my center, I'll be
Speaker 4: in good shape.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 4: Now you're letting me pick everything else off my board.
Speaker 4: That I like, you're gonna let me pick my stack,
Speaker 4: and that your stack ends up coming a little bit
Speaker 4: more of your depth, and maybe the depth turns into
Speaker 4: actual starting players.
Speaker 3: This type of free agency sets you up for the
Speaker 3: best draft that you could have.
Speaker 8: In my opinion, I like getting the running back in
Speaker 8: the free agency free agency as well.
Speaker 5: If you are going to get a.
Speaker 8: Running back, I don't think that there we talked about it.
Speaker 8: This running back class isn't as rich as the other one,
Speaker 8: but there are some guys in these middle rounds that
Speaker 8: can be a good guy to accompany with the veteran
Speaker 8: running back and be able to get after in the backfield.
Speaker 2: Brian, you brought up earlier how this guard and center
Speaker 2: class you've got some guys heavy up front.
Speaker 3: You mentioned Fraser from West Virginia.
Speaker 2: Is that if JPJ is gone in this scenario, he is,
Speaker 2: are you comfortable taking Fraser in the or are you
Speaker 2: taking BP a best player on your board, whoever's there
Speaker 2: at twenty four, and then hoping somebody falls to you
Speaker 2: in the rounds two three after that?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm gonna.
Speaker 4: I know I'm gonna gonna be in a fistfight with
Speaker 4: you guys over this one, And I'm okay with that
Speaker 4: because that's what we do. We get in a room
Speaker 4: and we kind of beat each other up about this stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna let you fight me
Speaker 4: on Graham Barton over Fraser. Okay, I'm gonna let you see.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna let the room win
Speaker 4: on that one. Maybe you guys don't think enough of
Speaker 4: Fraser like I do. Maybe you think Barton's a better player.
Speaker 4: But if if our Oregon center's gone and I have
Speaker 4: to go get a center, I might lean towards taking
Speaker 4: Fraser over Barton, And I don't know if the room
Speaker 4: feels that way about it. So I'm interested to hear
Speaker 4: what you guys have to say about Barton over Fraser.
Speaker 4: Fraser over Barton. You might not like either one of
Speaker 4: these guys, But I was just curious of what the
Speaker 4: room might think if if we had to go get
Speaker 4: a center and our Oregon Center's gone.
Speaker 10: I like the idea because you've seen what Zach Fraser
Speaker 10: has done at Center. You see how he was able
Speaker 10: to help that offense. From a pre snap perspective as well,
Speaker 10: you don't really know what you can get out of that.
Speaker 10: From Gramm Barton, here's being firing of the Zach Fraser highlights.
Speaker 10: But I love what he does right there in the middle.
Speaker 10: He creates that pocket and allows the quarterback to be
Speaker 10: able to move around and do what he does best.
Speaker 10: And I think that's a really important for where Dak
Speaker 10: Prescott is going towards in his career. From Graham Barton's perspective,
Speaker 10: you would have to move him into center, and you
Speaker 10: would have to spend those first couple of weeks of
Speaker 10: training camp just getting him right with the basics and
Speaker 10: then kind of working him into where you think he
Speaker 10: could be a long term now whose ceiling is eventually
Speaker 10: higher on the back end, I think that's probably where
Speaker 10: I would probably maybe lean Barton, but you don't really
Speaker 10: know what that looks like until you get him in
Speaker 10: the building and you get him working at center. I
Speaker 10: think it's a valid, valid thing to bring up. Do
Speaker 10: you worry about Fraser's leg at all?
Speaker 5: That's what I was going to ask.
Speaker 10: I don't because you see the toughness from him. I'm
Speaker 10: not worried of it. But I think it's something to
Speaker 10: bring up, and we'll obviously know more next week.
Speaker 4: Where medicals Where Fraser got my attention is when you
Speaker 4: watch the Texas game and we know what those those
Speaker 4: two guys deal with inside of Texas well and Murphy
Speaker 4: and he is and he's he's handling that. You know,
Speaker 4: he's handling that. And I'm sitting there thinking like, if
Speaker 4: this guy's dealing with these two cats right now here
Speaker 4: West Virginia playing Texas, he could deal with a lot
Speaker 4: of guys in the National Football League that are probably
Speaker 4: not as good as that.
Speaker 3: And he may not win every battle, but he's not
Speaker 3: going to lose anything. He doesn't lose the round.
Speaker 2: He doesn't go backwards into the pocket. That's the number
Speaker 2: one thing I saw with Fraser. The one thing here
Speaker 2: it's like, like you said, if we're talking best player
Speaker 2: available at twenty four, are you drafting for.
Speaker 3: Win now or are you drafting for ceilings?
Speaker 4: See, that's where this is where I'm at right now,
Speaker 4: because maybe Fraser's not for everybody at twenty four, you know,
Speaker 4: and to me that might be a completely wiped out situation.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe that's the trade back. Maybe that's the trade.
Speaker 4: Back to can It's a city at thirty two that
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you grab Fraser, you grab Barton,
Speaker 4: but you grab those pigs too, you know. So I'm
Speaker 4: not I'm just asking you. I'll go with the room
Speaker 4: because I like Barton. I like Barton.
Speaker 3: How did that? I'm stacked? Are they two three in
Speaker 3: your interior? Yeah? Jackson powers, Johnson's one Fraser Barton. That's
Speaker 3: kind of how I would That's how I would look
Speaker 3: at it right now. But if the room shot me down,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be mad. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: be mad.
Speaker 9: I I agree with Nick. I think the upside's on Barton.
Speaker 9: But like I think that's where upside is between these two.
Speaker 9: But if you're telling me like Sturdy Stable, I know,
Speaker 9: like I'm getting a good player. I know you know
Speaker 9: the high floor.
Speaker 3: I know you hate the floor on the Salem Brian.
Speaker 3: But because I don't understand it. The high floor guy.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 9: To me, that's Fraser because if you know, to me,
Speaker 9: I think when you look at the trades with him,
Speaker 9: Fraser's obviously got I think good power. He can you know,
Speaker 9: move guys in the right game. But otherwise everything else
Speaker 9: to me kind of looks athletically. The athletic tricks are
Speaker 9: kind of average across the board. But what you want
Speaker 9: in that center position is you do want competitive toughness,
Speaker 9: you want high IQ and I think he has both
Speaker 9: of those. He's gonna fight. And once you lose when
Speaker 9: Tyler Biattish leaves in free agency, is you lose one
Speaker 9: of your glass eaters in this on this football team,
Speaker 9: you need a guy who's gonna, you know, get in
Speaker 9: the mix and you know, get into scraps, stand up
Speaker 9: for your guys, you know, set the tone in terms
Speaker 9: of physicality and toughness and stuff like that. And I
Speaker 9: think that's definitely Frasier. And so to me, I would
Speaker 9: lean Fraser. I would definitely look to trade back though.
Speaker 3: Okay, see, okay, I'm gonna ask you this question though.
Speaker 4: The problem that you have currently at center, or you've had,
Speaker 4: is you have the glass eater, but you don't have
Speaker 4: the athlete.
Speaker 3: That's the problem. Somebody at center has got to be smart,
Speaker 3: tough and cut the defense in half. We need that guy.
Speaker 3: We need that guy. We need the guy. It's gonna
Speaker 3: play second level. And maybe Hill it's BB. Maybe maybe
Speaker 3: excuse me, maybe all of a sudden, it's BB. Maybe
Speaker 3: BB can play center.
Speaker 4: Maybe you know, I kind of seems a push shoved
Speaker 4: guy myself, but he can play second level.
Speaker 3: You know, he is massive.
Speaker 4: But Dallas has lacked the ability to secure down since
Speaker 4: Travis is Travis Frederick left here.
Speaker 3: You can't get to the you can't secure the three,
Speaker 3: and you can't get the guy up on the on
Speaker 3: the backer.
Speaker 4: So we got to figure that out. You know, we
Speaker 4: got whoever, if it's Frasier, if it's Barton, we damn
Speaker 4: know it's that it. We damn know its powers.
Speaker 3: Johnson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we got to figure that out in
Speaker 2: this scenario. I know Tyron Smith's back on a I'm
Speaker 2: assuming a one year, two year ago, one year, very
Speaker 2: quick deal. Uh yeah, a team friendly deal is what
Speaker 2: Nick you laid it out to be. Are you still
Speaker 2: considering a tackle here in this free agency class and
Speaker 2: based off of the draft class that you're having in
Speaker 2: twenty four.
Speaker 3: I know you can. You can go and get you
Speaker 3: a center. And if you know that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: I'm opening this thing up up.
Speaker 4: As long as we make sure that some way we
Speaker 4: navigate in my it's my scouting view, we navigate the center.
Speaker 4: You guys can convince me of anything else, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm going to fight every time it's our turn.
Speaker 3: I'm going to look at that center stack and I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say what.
Speaker 4: About that guy who's gonna and I'm gonna make guy
Speaker 4: you should say, no, I got a defensive tackle, or
Speaker 4: I've got a wide receiver, or I've got a guard
Speaker 4: that's better. You know, I'm gonna make somebody tell me
Speaker 4: to go away from that. And now again I trust
Speaker 4: the room.
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm finally here's the problem with that. The
Speaker 9: biggest problem with the off season the way I see
Speaker 9: it laid out, and this is the way.
Speaker 3: I don't think this is bad.
Speaker 9: I think I think this is I think this is
Speaker 9: as positive an off season as you can have, to
Speaker 9: be honest, But like in general, you're gonna probably heading
Speaker 9: to the drafting like your deficient somewhere you're gonna feel
Speaker 9: your deficient at center. That's one, and then the other
Speaker 9: aspect is you're probably still feeling like you're lacking at safety.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 9: Is it like something where I mean, you got we're
Speaker 9: all on board with Nuban. If is Nuban there at
Speaker 9: twenty four? Is that what you're asking yourself, Nuban Frasier
Speaker 9: that kind of thing?
Speaker 3: Or do you just tackles Fraser Nuban? To me, maybe
Speaker 3: that's what it is.
Speaker 7: Like.
Speaker 9: The biggest thing I'm coming away from is saying, somewhere
Speaker 9: in the top one hundred with two out of these
Speaker 9: three picks, I'm going to need a center of money
Speaker 9: needs safety.
Speaker 3: Did you did you just did you just throw a pin? No? No,
Speaker 3: I didn't throw nothing, No physically I mean no.
Speaker 8: I'm saying at the fact, like to choose between. That's
Speaker 8: why I was struggling when we were talking about Nuben earlier.
Speaker 8: I'm at a point to where you look at the
Speaker 8: competition that you played, if you even look within your division,
Speaker 8: the interior of these defensive lines that you're going up again,
Speaker 8: the question gave you trouble, No question consistent basis, Don't
Speaker 8: get me wrong, I want my I want my.
Speaker 5: Tackles to be tackling. I need them to be doing
Speaker 5: their job.
Speaker 8: However, the quarterback can avoid that far better than what's
Speaker 8: happening in the interior.
Speaker 5: You just ran into ran it. I'm with. I am
Speaker 5: at a point to where addressing the interior.
Speaker 8: And also, you know, we got some new human in
Speaker 8: the building as well that might be helping with the
Speaker 8: run game and things like that.
Speaker 5: But I just feel like not being able to run
Speaker 5: the ball is such a I am not looking past it.
Speaker 5: I can't do it. I'm sick of seeing it.
Speaker 8: So for me, the center position is important so that
Speaker 8: this is why when we were talking about Nubann earlier,
Speaker 8: I was just.
Speaker 5: Like, safety house, he gonna help you, and I know
Speaker 5: what else supposed to be doing me. But if it
Speaker 5: is a safety in a center, I would struggle.
Speaker 3: I would take the center every time.
Speaker 8: I struggle too, because I just think it's too it's
Speaker 8: so important, and it's bit you in the tail A
Speaker 8: year after.
Speaker 10: I think another possibility here is still taking a tackle.
Speaker 10: Because you look at Tyrone Smith getting thirteen games out
Speaker 10: of him last season felt like strike striking lightning in
Speaker 10: a bottle? Do you feel like you can get that
Speaker 10: again going into his age. What are we now, thirty
Speaker 10: four season? I still I don't want to follow that
Speaker 10: responsibility onto a Matt Will Let's go or an Awesome Richards.
Speaker 4: So did we did we let our ore teamed down
Speaker 4: by drafting awesome Richards last year?
Speaker 3: Then if that's the.
Speaker 2: Case, I mean maybe going into year two that's not
Speaker 2: the case though, If you think Austin Richards can be
Speaker 2: something down the line, That's what I'm saying though to me.
Speaker 4: If I've got Tyron Smith and and he's in I
Speaker 4: know one thing. I I don't want to go back
Speaker 4: and play with the tackle that we had last a doga.
Speaker 4: I don't want to go back that. But somebody tell me,
Speaker 4: you know, somebody in the somebody in the sky, in
Speaker 4: de part of the coaching department. Somebody tell me what's
Speaker 4: going on with Austin Richards? Because I if I'm if,
Speaker 4: I know I could get thirteen games out of Tyron Smith,
Speaker 4: I know that, But the other games I'm gonna need
Speaker 4: it is is uh awesome Richard's not good enough for
Speaker 4: the three did we draft?
Speaker 3: Did we draft the wrong player here?
Speaker 2: But that's a fifth round pick you're talking about wagering
Speaker 2: the future of your tackle position on a player that
Speaker 2: was picked at one six.
Speaker 3: Well, it's better than taking him in the seventh.
Speaker 8: Round, respectfully, I right, tackle is undrafted free agent and
Speaker 8: he had a contract.
Speaker 3: No, I agree. I mean you can find guys. TJ.
Speaker 3: Bass was an undrafted free agent. He had a better
Speaker 3: year that I usual. She will tell you he should
Speaker 3: have been drafted, and she was right. I agree. I
Speaker 3: had a fifth round grade on him too.
Speaker 9: I mean, what what's like under that scenario, Nick, that
Speaker 9: you're talking about, Like where we say, like tackle at
Speaker 9: twenty four potential?
Speaker 3: Like who are we thinking is gone?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 9: Who am I looking at?
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 10: You're probably looking at Jordan Morgan. You're looking at Tyler Geydon,
Speaker 10: you're looking at Yeah, you're looking at some good tackles here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Morgan. I don't know. I wonder about
Speaker 3: Morgan Morgan.
Speaker 9: I wonder if he's inside, but I mean I think
Speaker 9: he could play outside.
Speaker 3: I think he can.
Speaker 9: I just wonder if inside might be the better projector Guyton.
Speaker 9: I'm yeah, I would go, guid.
Speaker 3: I would pick that scenario.
Speaker 10: I would go, I would go, you would go, He'd
Speaker 10: be fine, I go guid, I think, okay, So.
Speaker 5: Do you so are you gonna address to wrap this up?
Speaker 5: Because I know we gotta go.
Speaker 3: I got one more point, So.
Speaker 5: Do you are you going to address center in free agency?
Speaker 3: Well, not in the scenario.
Speaker 10: In the scenario, you're you're falling on TJ. Basster Brockoff.
Speaker 10: We've also got what I do with three rounds, a
Speaker 10: competition in the center, and you just kind of work
Speaker 10: from there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you think you think TJ basket play center.
Speaker 9: I think they think brock Hoffman could start there. I
Speaker 9: think they believe that. Yeah, I don't know that that
Speaker 9: would be their primary choice, but I think they absolutely
Speaker 9: think he could do it.
Speaker 5: I mean, honestly have some faith in brock too.
Speaker 4: We just got to see it and did this scenario
Speaker 4: what you're talking about. If you're looking at tackle, I'm
Speaker 4: taking Tyron Smith's twelve million dollars in going doing something else.
Speaker 3: You're letting him walk.
Speaker 4: I'm letting him walk, and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 4: gonna make center part of my I'm gonna make center
Speaker 4: and tackle part of my priority than on my board.
Speaker 8: Because I guess you do have to ask yourself at
Speaker 8: this point, is he hurting more than helping And I
Speaker 8: think I was grateful for.
Speaker 5: Him last year. I ain't gonna hold you, but.
Speaker 3: At the same time, I can't hold you hostage for from.
Speaker 8: A developmental standpoint, it's it is kind of getting to
Speaker 8: that point so where it's like we need to be
Speaker 8: adamantly replace in that position is important of a position
Speaker 8: on the field to not be addressing right now.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know what's gonna happen to Tyron Smith's going
Speaker 10: to go to Kansas City play seventeen games. I want
Speaker 10: a ring next year.
Speaker 5: Get out of my faith.
Speaker 3: I don't think he really wants to go, and I
Speaker 3: don't think I don't think to it.
Speaker 4: I know your tongue in cheeking it there, but to me,
Speaker 4: if under your scenario, I'm just gonna go ahead and
Speaker 4: take his twelve million dollars and go invest it somewhere else.
Speaker 3: I would do the same thing in this scenario specifically,
Speaker 3: and then I would turn in I would turn in priority.
Speaker 4: Oh line I would make I would make instead of
Speaker 4: saying tackle center even though I need a center.
Speaker 3: If I'd make them both tackle and tackle. And because
Speaker 3: they've proven that they could draft first round plug and
Speaker 3: play players. They've proven that to me they.
Speaker 2: Have, And you also could get fortunate with a heavy
Speaker 2: tackle class that's heavy right where you're picking in twenty
Speaker 2: four and you feel good about the guy.
Speaker 3: Geiden is not a bad call there, But Gidan's not
Speaker 3: a bad call there at all.
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Speaker 2: like sixty seconds if if we're taking if we're taking
Speaker 2: an offensive lineman in the first and based off of
Speaker 2: that scenario that Nick gave, where are you going in
Speaker 2: rounds two and three?
Speaker 10: Yes, so you have a linebacker. You have a running
Speaker 10: back that you picked up a free agency. So I
Speaker 10: think you can kind of go with that fifty six pick,
Speaker 10: and you look at the linebacker board, you look at
Speaker 10: the running back board, and can take your best player
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Speaker 10: the long term solution. So you can draft a long
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Speaker 10: Or you can bring in another body at linebacker Marvin
Speaker 10: and Overshun's coming off of a torn a cl Dumont Clark.
Speaker 10: You liked what you saw at times, you didn't like
Speaker 10: what you saw at times from him last season, So
Speaker 10: you can bring in another guy into that uh into
Speaker 10: that room to be able to work. To me, it's
Speaker 10: one of those positions. And I think also you have
Speaker 10: a safety you can consider. You could consider a depth corner,
Speaker 10: you consider another offensive lineman. There's a lot of things
Speaker 10: to consider, but for me, it's linebacker, running back there
Speaker 10: what do you do in aisha I am.
Speaker 5: Looking at DT and possibly receiver.
Speaker 3: I like DT in that second round, especially.
Speaker 5: Yeah, especially with d T. I think it's Jonathan Hankins
Speaker 5: can only be a band aid for so long. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and that's all I gotta say.
Speaker 3: Good Brian. Yeah, I think I just got this thing right.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of in I'm kind of in that mode
Speaker 3: right now myself.
Speaker 10: Yeah, DT, I forgot about DJ.
Speaker 8: If you came with you, maybe if you're not doing
Speaker 8: nothing to be able to run the ball, you need
Speaker 8: to be able to stop to run.
Speaker 5: Yeah, very least.
Speaker 3: That's a good one. I mean I think they they
Speaker 3: definitely need.
Speaker 9: I'll share such a huge boots he's gonna getting over
Speaker 9: shown back healthy, that's going to be big. I still
Speaker 9: think somewhere in there you probably got to get another linebacker.
Speaker 9: Obviously you need a running back to pair with Moss.
Speaker 9: But I mean safety is the one that's blinking at me.
Speaker 9: So I just I wonder if Bullard's there in the second,
Speaker 9: is he going to get to me in the third
Speaker 9: or like, is that, you know, playing a dangerous game.
Speaker 9: If he's sitting there staring me in the facing second,
Speaker 9: I think I'm going Bollard and then just figuring things
Speaker 9: out best player available.
Speaker 8: I'm so surprised how interested you are in safety, because
Speaker 8: if you ask the nation, that's what it worked with safety.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, okay, that's fair on the first on your mind.
Speaker 8: But I just like, when you look at the safety
Speaker 8: position on this team, you look at it and you say, Okay,
Speaker 8: well they're they're good. I guess you want to say
Speaker 8: you would assume, especially if Marquis Bell is going to
Speaker 8: be going back to doing more safety things. Saw some
Speaker 8: good things from ya Thomas. You're like, Okay, well this
Speaker 8: safety core is good. So it's just crazy to me
Speaker 8: to hear.
Speaker 5: You just be in like safety, safety safety.
Speaker 3: Why you look at Kinchin's from Miami.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I've talked about Kinchins a couple of times.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I missed that. No, no, No, You're good.
Speaker 10: He's a he's a he's a headhunter. I think he's
Speaker 10: he's he's a Donovan Wilson type of guy. Is talk
Speaker 10: about keeping everything in front of him and being able
Speaker 10: to take heads off a little bit more to me,
Speaker 10: a little bit more rangy. But he's a Donovan Wilson
Speaker 10: clone in the fact that he's younger and he's a
Speaker 10: little bit more experienced coming out of college.
Speaker 3: Could he get to you at fifty six?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: I always you don't think, so, wow, he's that good?
Speaker 10: God there is there is Cameron Kinchin's hate amongst the
Speaker 10: draft community. I quite figure it out. I think it's
Speaker 10: more so the range on his back end and what
Speaker 10: he can do in uh in zone, in his zone
Speaker 10: coverage ability. But I think what you get from him
Speaker 10: from a tenacity standpoint, from a physicality standpoint, him being
Speaker 10: able to cover these type of situations out of the
Speaker 10: run game or out of the backfield. I think there's
Speaker 10: a there's a really good opportunity here for him to
Speaker 10: be an impact play.
Speaker 2: He's a heat seeking missile. Yes, that's what it looks like.
Speaker 2: I mean, angles why he does not mess up.
Speaker 8: I just think also too, when you look at the
Speaker 8: safety position. Unfortunately, I do think some people are starting
Speaker 8: to get on the fence about the box safety strong
Speaker 8: safety type situation. People understand that with all the spread
Speaker 8: and stuff like that, they want guys to be more.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm not saying that the value is going
Speaker 8: down from guys playing downhill and everything, but it kind
Speaker 8: of feels like it's a little bit of a damper
Speaker 8: on it right now when guys predominantly do that.
Speaker 5: And I think it's crazy because baby helped me in
Speaker 5: the run game.
Speaker 10: Please ye detackle, I think you're making me change my
Speaker 10: answer here because I like to Andandre Sweat. I don't
Speaker 10: think he's going to be available at fifty six, but
Speaker 10: I think there's some other guys you can still get there.
Speaker 10: I really like Michael Hall Junior out of Ohio State.
Speaker 10: I think that's a guy you could possibly look at.
Speaker 6: You.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you need to beef him up. I don't think
Speaker 10: necessarily that you can pair him as a Hankins replacement
Speaker 10: or a Hankins backup, but I think you can throw
Speaker 10: him in on that interior or defensive line. He can
Speaker 10: make some things work.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I kind of saw some I saw some key
Speaker 8: Bitten in him, and I think that Kean Bitten, despite
Speaker 8: the fact that people thought that he was only like
Speaker 8: this up field pass rushy guy, did some really good
Speaker 8: things in the run game for the Steelers this year.
Speaker 8: It's possible for these guys to develop some run game
Speaker 8: stopping skills.
Speaker 4: You look at a guy too, If I could throw
Speaker 4: a name out there, Brandon Dorless from from Oregon is
Speaker 4: another guy if you could take a look at him,
Speaker 4: because he can line up at a three or one.
Speaker 4: I think he can play edge.
Speaker 10: I see I have him as a three in edge. Yeah,
Speaker 10: I don't necessarily trust him completely as a one, but
Speaker 10: I'm I mean he's I think he's the most verstal
Speaker 10: defensive lineman in this draft.
Speaker 3: I think you can throw him more.
Speaker 4: Doorless dor less d O r l u s Number
Speaker 4: three from working this week, watch watching him, watch him
Speaker 4: win the Texas Tech Game is what you need to do.
Speaker 3: Interest. And another one too is Dwayne Carter. Anybody watched
Speaker 3: him from Duke.
Speaker 10: I might saw him a little bit at Senior Bol,
Speaker 10: but didn't didn't have a chance to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this guy's a three time captain for the Blue
Speaker 4: Devils here, but Dwayne Carter six three, three oh five
Speaker 4: from Duke.
Speaker 2: Yeah thatzy please all right, that'll do it for us
Speaker 2: here on the Draft show this week.
Speaker 3: Hope you had as much fun as we did. That
Speaker 3: was a fun one. Lots of debate, lots of scenarios.
Speaker 3: The guys.
Speaker 4: Next week, I got to be a baseball guy. Next
Speaker 4: week be watching tape the whole time.
Speaker 3: You got to be watching the twenty twenty three World
Speaker 3: Series championship. Stranger, I hope. So it was a lot
Speaker 3: of fun last year week.
Speaker 10: You're gonna buy your some one of those pitiful jerseys
Speaker 10: that they now have in the MLB.
Speaker 9: I'm all about that.
Speaker 3: Can't wait.
Speaker 2: We'll catch up with Brian here in a little bit.
Speaker 2: We may call you even next week, please do.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love watching you guys carry on, carry on the debates,
Speaker 3: keep fighting. And we've got Nick Harris going to the
Speaker 3: NFL combine out. Yeah, I'll be here next week.
Speaker 10: It's gonna be a little interesting show next week. Yoh,
Speaker 10: y'all hold it down for me.
Speaker 3: Please, we'll hold it down. That'll be fun.
Speaker 4: All right.
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