WEBVTT - CZM Book Club: Escape, part one 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:09.800 Cool Zone Media book Club, the club Club Club Club 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:15.360 Club Club Club that'll never get old. Everyone loves it. 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:18.760 Everyone loves thinking back to the era of when every 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:21.239 conversation had to be on zoom and you realized you 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:25.600 couldn't sink anything. This is Cool Zone Media book Club. 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.400 I'm your host, Marta Kiljoy, and this is the book 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:30.160 club that you don't have to do the reading for 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.080 because I do it for you. And this time I 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:38.400 mean that more than usual, because I'm going to do 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.000 some reading and then I'm going to talk with my 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.040 friend about that reading. I'm going to talk to my 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:45.599 friend Greg. Hi, Greg, how are you. 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:47.640 I'm doing well? How about you? 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:51.159 I'm doing good. I'm up late, so I have like energy, 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:55.960 which of course is logical and will serve me. Well, no, 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:58.040 it isn't. I'm going to crash really hard after we're 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:04.280 done recording, but other than that, I'm okay. So the 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:06.440 story that I want to read to you, Greg is 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.920 a story that you've already read. And I know that 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.280 because when I read this story, I reached out to 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.440 you because my friend Greg, for anyone who's listening, is 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:21.600 let's call you an anarchist technology enthusiast that's a normal 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.440 thing to say. Is that a fair way to describe you? 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.920 Yes, If it has a circuit, I probably opened it 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.880 up or played with it or learned how it works. 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:37.199 Awesome. This is a science fiction story, rather a speculative 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:42.759 fiction story that appeared on the website crimethink dot com 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.440 earlier this week. It appeared on March twenty. 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:46.920 First. 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.240 If you want to go and read it yourself, it's 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.560 at crimething dot com, slash whatever stuff. I don't know. 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:56.120 Just search it, but don't google it. As we'll talk about, 0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:00.720 you should probably duck duck go it. This is a 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:05.440 story called Survival, a story about anarchists enduring mass raids, 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.280 and it's a thought experiment. It's speculative fiction and kind 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.760 of one of the oldest definitions of that, one of 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:16.760 the oldest concepts of that, which is just literally, hey, 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.000 what would happen if and what kind of like science 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:24.760 and technology can we use to address a set of problems? 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:29.160 And before we start, I'll say what I overall think 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.560 is that I find this a really interesting thought experiment, 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:35.200 but one that I have, like I had some maybe 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.320 critiques of and so that's why I decided to talk 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.440 to my friend Greg, and so we're going to kind 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.800 of read this story and then talk it through to you. 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:45.239 And this is going to be a two week thing 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:49.120 because this is a slightly longer than normal story. I 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.200 don't know, Greg, what are your first thoughts going into 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:53.160 this thing that people don't know what we're talking about yet. 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:57.160 Yeah, I would say that my first thoughts are about 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.480 the same. I think that it's always good to write 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.520 out things, to imagine scenarios that you might be in, 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.280 so you can preemptively think through how you would deal 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:06.920 with them. And I think that this story does a 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.680 good job of that. And I think that, like part 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:11.280 of the reason why I wanted to talk about this 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.360 with other people is that I think we could go 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.760 a little bit deeper and then maybe come out on 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.160 the other end where people can think about it a 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.800 little bit more an actionable way in their everyday lives, 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.760 as opposed to reading this and then you know, going 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:27.480 on to the next terrible thing of the day. 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.040 Yeah, that's a good point. We had to start this 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.760 late because I had just reinstalled everything on my computer 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:37.560 and part of my process of de googling, and I 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.920 encourage people to not necessarily do exactly that. But this 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:45.200 is a really good moment in your life. Whoever you are, 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.480 you probably interact with technology, you actually do because you're 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:52.840 listening to this, and it's a good moment to readdress 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:57.920 the ways that you do it. So this story, we'll 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:01.480 just start reading it to you. So there's a little preamble. 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:07.680 In November nineteen nineteen, United States President Woodrow Wilson launched 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:11.040 mass raids against the entire anarchist movement. The United States 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:16.520 police simultaneously arrested thousands of anarchists in many different parts 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:21.160 of the country, shutting down their newspapers, organizations, and meeting halls. 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:25.520 That part's not fiction, just to interject, that's just the 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:29.440 thing that happened. If similar raids were to take place today, 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.680 they would occur in a technological landscape involving mass surveillance 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:38.240 and targeted electronic attacks. Those who survive would also have 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:46.000 to adopt different tools. Section one Escape. When the police 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.480 battering ram hits his door at four eleven am, Jake 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.600 is in his boxers on the floor playing an emulated 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:56.840 side scroller. The adrenaline hits and within seconds he has 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:00.760 jammed his bedroom window open, sliding down into the backyard 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:04.479 and often a run, his socks instantly soaked in the grass. 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.840 He hears shouting, but doesn't look back to check if 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.200 there are pigs looking out his window or chasing him 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.479 from the side of the house. He jumps the back 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:16.120 fence more awkwardly than he imagined, getting a splinter deep 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.159 in his left hand, but he ignores it and dashes 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.920 over the roof of the neighbor's shed, trying to remember 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:26.080 every detail of the surrounding blocks. In what feels like 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.640 an instant, he's two blocks away, hiding behind some bushes 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.160 as a squad car drives by. His breath sounds to 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.640 him like the loudest thing in the world, and his 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:39.680 mind spins as he imagines a neighbor coming out behind him. 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.400 He's in nothing but boxers and muddy socks, and his 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:47.760 hand is dripping blood. Nothing happens. The squad car crawls 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:54.520 down another block. Time to move. Vera is almost home 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.440 from work, listening to music in her headphones when she 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.560 comes around a bend and sees the corner of a 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:04.560 swat outside her punk house. She pivots immediately down another street, 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:08.520 casually continuing her walk while pulling out her phone. She 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.960 knows she should immediately turn it off, but first she 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:15.960 texts a group chat house being raided and then turns 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:20.159 it off. Maybe that warning will help someone. Many phone 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.760 batteries remain active even when the device is off. She 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:27.120 knows right now, some lazy junior officer could be noticing 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.760 the GPS or her network connection triangulating her as she 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:35.280 moves away. Should she throw it? Should she abruptly stomp 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.080 on her phone out here in the street. There's a 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.800 drainage vent coming up. She could toss it in and 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:46.680 keep walking via hesitates. Her phone is encrypted, but against 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:50.040 everyone's advice, she uses a short password. If they dig 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:52.400 it out of the drain, she doesn't know how to 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.440 pry out the SD card. Stomping on the whole device 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.880 might draw attention and not even destroy the main memory. 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.000 Time is of the essence, so she makes a hard 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.880 choice quickly and tosses the whole thing in the drain. 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:10.040 She's just a normal person on a walk, and she 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.360 keeps walking away vera hears a car rolling up behind 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.600 her slowly. It takes every ounce of willpower to keep 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.840 walking normally, not to look back and terror. Maybe she should, 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.360 Maybe she should just run for it. The car parks 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.240 behind her, and there's the sounds of a mom unloading 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:35.560 young kids. She's not being followed where to now. Julie 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.640 and Maggie sit at their dining room table. Just want 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.120 to point out that I'm not only reading this story 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.160 because it has a character named Maggie in it, but 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:47.040 that was a consideration and a bonus. I really appreciate 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:53.480 everyone writing in Maggie's, Margaret's and Magpies. Julie and Maggie 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.240 are sitting at their dining room table, struggling not to 0:07:56.280 --> 0:08:00.080 reflect panic at each other. Only one news outlet is 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.400 even reporting the nationwide raids, and there's almost nothing there. 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:08.120 Messages saying leave and then delete. This group chat keep 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.760 popping up for both of them, little spatters of reports 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.000 on raids and then silenced. A friend who is always 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:19.160 too frantic is spamming everyone asking for updates. Then suddenly 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:25.119 she's silent. There's an hour of nothing. They trade terse 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:28.720 updates with a friend who lives far away. Someone local 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.560 suddenly appears online, but only to post a meme and 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:36.640 a dead channel and then disappear. The same music plays 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:40.439 on the same radio stations. The wind blows through the trees, 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:45.120 A cousin asks for advice with a preschool situation, totally oblivious. 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.400 The local news does a puff piece about local business, 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:52.760 the neighbors get a pizza delivery, and your favorite podcast 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:58.120 is interrupted by advertisements. That's a thing that happens. It's 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:02.160 totally in the story. I totally didn't just I added that. 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:11.440 I added it right now, here's the ads. 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:12.720 And we're back. 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.200 What ads, Greg, do you think that we should add here? 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:21.920 It's probably for Signal, Yeah, and ad for Signal and 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:26.000 potatoes and sweet potatoes and wearing a mask. Those would 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:27.559 all be good ads I would support. 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:29.319 All right, Well, this is brought to you by all 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.440 of those things. I know we'll talk about a little 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.800 bit more later. But Signal is having a moment right 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.560 now in the news because of some major OPSEP fails 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:41.640 on the part of the government. But it doesn't mean 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:45.360 that Signal itself is broken. Everyone. Signal is the current 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:49.400 most effective and encrypted thing. Honestly. The fact that our 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.679 enemies use it is part of the evidence of that. 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.720 All right, But the story, they're probably not going to 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:02.200 come for us. We haven't done anything. Their confused dog 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.960 is whining with shared nerves. Maggie keeps eyeing the go 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:10.239 bag by the door they packed together months ago. That afternoon, 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.920 Julie had made a show of being a good sport, 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.880 humoring her need to prep. Now all Maggie can think 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:21.319 about is everything they're missing. Julie's passport has just expired. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.440 Can they get across the border If only they had 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.240 done a dry run. They take the dog out on 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.000 a walk, leaving all devices home, whispering potential plans to 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.160 one another, trying not to draw attension as a jogger 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:37.439 passes them by. When they get home, there's a private 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.400 message on Instagram from a friend saying they're putting together 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.800 a legal defense committee. First meeting will be public at 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:48.599 a public park. They're inviting some local liberal journalists as shields. 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.120 Somebody at the local ALLT Weekly says she's writing a story. 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.120 There's a lawyer coming from a big name liberal thing. 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:01.280 The Internet keeps being really slow, doesn't deliver messages, and 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:05.480 then suddenly delivers three all at once. Loading a lot 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:09.439 of websites just returns errors. They're so sleep deprived of 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.120 stress that when they finally crash together on the couch, 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.800 they sleep right through the Defense Committee meeting. A friend 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.160 knocks loudly on their door and they nearly die of 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:22.680 heart attacks. Assuming it's the cops. His report back is terse. 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.320 Almost no journalists showed. Most of the folks who went 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.640 have been grabbed. One was driven down off her bike 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:32.960 on her way home. An old liberal lawyer went to 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.840 the county jail with a court order and the cops 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:40.400 just laughed and arrested her. He's going underground, and he 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:44.640 suggests they do too. But Julie and Maggie have a life. 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.320 They have jobs at least for now, as they've both 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:51.440 called out sick, and they have a house. They're normal now, 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:55.080 even law abiding. Burn a few posters, donate a few 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.439 books to the neighborhood little libraries, to lead a few accounts. 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:03.640 Maybe they can pass upstanding citizens. If we leave our 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.480 shit here and stop paining, we'll lose everything we've built 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:12.120 since poverty, plus have to pay some ridiculous fine. If 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.000 they do get raided, maybe it'll just be a few 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.360 days in lock up, in and out, just a performance 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.880 of a crackdown. The lips will get mad about the lawyers. Surely, 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:23.760 neither of them has been able to cook since the 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:27.720 raids first started, so they drive out together to grab pickup. 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.800 Waiting for a light, Maggie stares at something on the 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:33.960 side of the street and then leaps out of the 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:38.200 truck's passenger side door without a word. Julie is frightened 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:41.079 at first, then furious, but when she pulls the truck 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.960 over and heads back to Maggie, she sees her partner 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.160 kneeling next to a homeless man lying at an odd angle. 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.199 We don't have our phones. We can't call a paramedic, 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:56.920 she reminds Maggie, but then recognition dawns on her. It's 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.800 one of their friends. Under the mess of blisters and 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:04.520 swollen bruises, his eyes are open, staring at nothing. He 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:06.839 lived in one of the first punk houses that was rated. 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.760 He never went to anything besides some hardcore shows. He 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.400 was just a baker. They don't pick up their meal. 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:20.080 They head home, dog go bag some last minute additional ideas, 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:29.120 camping gear, encrypted backup drives, medicine, dry food, clothes, blankets, phones, 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:33.040 and leftover devices, smashed house key hidden somewhere in the 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:37.040 yard for a friend. Maggie looks at her cheap Cassio watch. 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:43.360 That's time, we need to go. That's the end of 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.320 section one, and we're gonna read section two today too, 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.440 but first we're gonna talk about section one and what 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:50.440 should we talk about with it. 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.360 So one thing that came up for me initially is 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.840 that I'm not really familiar with the nineteen nineteen raids, 0:13:58.360 --> 0:13:59.679 and so I was wondering if you could talk a 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:00.559 little bit about that. 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:07.280 Yeah, okay, So there is one of the things that 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.120 about this particular piece that I think kind of stood 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:14.880 out to me is like, not necessarily, it's a thought experiment, right, 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:16.679 and it's projecting the idea of like what if they 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.120 came for the anarchists? And I think actually, as we 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.080 go further into the piece, we'll learn that it's talking 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:26.040 about like what if they came for the radicals in general, right, 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:32.080 in a big mass roundup that includes anarchists. But there 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:36.440 is a historical precedent for specifically coming after the anarchists. 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.480 The first Red Scare was nineteen nineteen nineteen. I want 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.160 to say maybe eighteen as well, I'm not certain, And 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.280 they often get called the Palmer Raids. And I don't 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:46.480 have all my notes in front of me, which is 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.200 terribly embarrassing because I had all the time in the 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:49.680 world have my notes in front of me, but I 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:54.080 did not. But basically, these were raids that came after 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:59.800 primarily an immigrant anarchist group across the country, but especially 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:04.840 in York City and specifically Russian anarchists and Russian labor 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.680 organizing around New York City. And there's all these like 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.000 great photos you can look up of like, well, there's one, 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.200 there's this great photo of these like super dapper anarchists 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.440 hanging out and they're like nice wool coats and nice 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:21.240 hats and stuff, waiting for deportation. Fashion is probably not 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.960 the most important thing when you look at that particular photo, 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:25.720 but they do have nice fashion. 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.320 That's really cool. Not the raids, but the fashion. Yeah, 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:31.920 that's good context because yeah, I think that this piece 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:35.080 tries to open with that and contextualize I believe also, 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:38.480 you know, international policing was invented to hunt down anarchists 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:43.800 around the world, so yep, But nowadays do we really 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.000 feel that this is sort of like, like our anarchists 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.440 a threat in this same way that they were in 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:50.720 nineteen nineteen. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:52.920 So it's kind of less about whether or not we 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.080 are a threat and whether or not we're perceived as 0:15:55.080 --> 0:16:00.280 a threat. And a few years ago, like last Trump ter, 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:04.000 he absolutely was mentioning anarchists by name, although kind of 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:07.920 in that catch all way of like these anarchists and antifa, 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.920 you know, without any like the whole thing that the 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.200 government is always trying to do and everyone's always trying 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.000 to do is sort of pretend like we're not actually 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:19.680 a specific ideological branch of socialism. It's just a catch 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:21.400 all word like terrorist or whatever. 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.440 And why was I going on about that? 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.920 Mostly because it bugs me, But like, I think it's 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.160 completely possible that they would come for like Antifa, I 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:36.040 think personally, a much more realistic threat model is what 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.600 we're seeing now, which is coming after organizers, coming after 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:43.640 people who are specifically related to specific protest movements, which 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:47.320 of course very much includes an awful lot of people 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.000 that we know and care about who may be anarchists. 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.120 Yeah that's fair, But. 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.240 Okay, what else? Okay, so we've got the context. Okay, 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:58.600 So in the first scene. 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.920 The person jumps out the window with no shoes and 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.840 no pants and no shirt, and it got me thinking 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:08.399 sort of around how when we do preparedness, we're usually 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:10.960 prepared for a disaster, and I think of it, like, 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:13.320 you know, one of the things that I keep in 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:17.000 my bedroom is a fire extinguisher because I figure for 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.800 most scenarios, a fire extinguisher is going to be useful. 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.400 But like in this case, maybe I need a pair 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.160 of slippers by my bed, which in the if I'm 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:26.439 woken up in the middle of the night, do I 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:28.520 know where my shoes are? Or like do I have 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.440 the right pants on? Definitely something to consider. I think 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:35.159 if you're preparing with this particular threat model, and then like, 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.639 you know, how how do we think about go bags 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.640 a little bit differently? And you know, I think most 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.440 of the time when we do go bags, it's like, Okay, 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.200 you're going to be in a vehicle, You're going to 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:48.719 be going to a shelter. But how does this change 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:50.720 with this particular threat model. 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.560 Yeah, I mean, like, one of the things that's nice 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.080 about go bags is that they theoretically are useful for 0:17:56.160 --> 0:18:00.560 all kinds of situations. And like, most of the time, 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.080 for most people and in general, I think, including right now, 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.800 the primary purpose of a go bag is for disaster stuff. 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:10.879 Right A wildfire is still a more realistic threat model 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.399 for most people, including most people probably listening to this, 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:19.679 or like earthquakes or I don't know, you just like 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.040 really are antsy and want to get out of town 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:25.960 or whatever, or like your friend calls you frantic and 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.600 needs your help and they are two states away and 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.200 they're like, or you need to get here now, please come, 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.400 and you're like, well, fortunately, everything I need to sleep 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.480 in my car is in the bag right here, plus 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.480 my car, you know, so you can throw it into 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:43.400 your car and get going. But I do think it's 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.439 kind of interesting to think about this particular threat model 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:52.160 with go bags and preparedness, of the idea of kind 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.359 of a more urban camping model, which is actually I 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.880 mean it's literally my own background as a former travel 0:18:58.080 --> 0:18:59.840 kid or whatever, you know. I slept on a lot 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.480 of rooftops and things like that. The idea of traveling 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.919 with a tent was completely nonsensical to me, because I 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.439 was like, tent, you put up a tent, they know 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:09.560 where you are, you know, because I was just always 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.720 sleeping illegally in different places, and so like, the sleeping 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:14.840 bag was the only object that really. 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:15.959 Mattered to me out of all of that. 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:17.879 Maybe a tarp if it's going to be really wet, 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.040 but I wouldn't even string up the tarp. I would 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.679 just tacco in it. I'm not recommending this. I was 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:27.399 like twenty years old, but like, reading this particular piece 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.680 has made me think more about threat models where you're like, Okay, 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.560 well I gotta go and I might need to sleep 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.879 rough for a couple nights in different places. You know, 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.720 what do I need for that. The shoe thing is 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:42.040 really interesting to me. I wear boots, and so like 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.800 I'm not throwing on my boots to run away or whatever, 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.840 and I'm like, oh, maybe my crocs, you know, maybe 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.199 that's the move or maybe like kind of slip on 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.879 running shoes or whatever. But something that you brought up 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:57.719 when we were talking about this beforehand was the kind 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:01.160 of like, well, it's not like crazy realistic to get 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.440 out a window and out in the backyard during a 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:04.040 house right. 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:06.479 Yeah. I mean I feel like in house rates, they 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.760 surround the house and they try to, you know, shock 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:13.160 you into compliance. So yeah, this person seems like they're 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.199 very good at parkore, which is, you know, something I 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:17.439 wish I was more limber for. 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.480 I get the impression that this particular character is a 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:24.480 graph kid and it's okay, yeah, a little bit used 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:28.639 to I'm going to move very quickly and stealthily and like. 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.879 And I actually wonder because when I watch videos of 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:35.040 house raids, because I have a normal person's brain and 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:38.920 do normal hobbies, I don't think they always surround the house. 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.200 I think that if they're doing like the full swat 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.520 or whatever, they might, right, But I don't know, And 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:46.159 so I think that there is a little bit of 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.960 a like, I mean, a lot of this is just 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:54.120 pure luck, right this character is playing emulated side scrolling 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:58.880 games at four fourteen am or whatever it is. But yeah, 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:00.920 I don't know. I do like thinking this like sort 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:04.480 of different threat model as relates to our go bags. 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:07.400 But I would actually say with this piece in general, right, 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.200 this is less about we need to change our threat 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:13.560 model to include this as what we're doing now, and 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:18.760 more like thinking about, well, this might come up, you know, 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:20.280 we'll talk about it more when we get into the 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:24.119 other sections about the different methods of communication and stuff. 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.200 But it's like, it's not stuff that we should start 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:29.199 doing now. Like I don't think that I'm gonna have 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.280 to start sleeping with clothes on. I'd hate to start 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:35.840 sleeping with clothes on. That's really just the main problem 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:36.200 for me. 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:38.680 Makes total sense. 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:42.800 Yeah, yeah, all right, and then okay, there was another 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:44.560 thing that I was thinking about. Right at the very end, 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.040 they're like, I'm and he puts on. I think it's 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:48.919 a I don't remember which character it is. Someone has 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:52.359 their Cassio watch, and specifically I think they're flagging that 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:56.080 it is a like full function non smart watch. I 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:57.000 thought that was kind of clever. 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:01.080 Yeah, I mean, I prefer calculator risk launch if I 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:01.640 have to pick. 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:03.560 But wait, do you really have a calculator wristwatch? 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:07.439 I don't. I'm posing right now, but I think it 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.200 is useful just to think of, like, okay, how can 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:13.480 I tell time without my cell phone? And I think, 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:16.560 like the cell phone does occupy a very large space. 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:19.240 And I think as we're thinking about and well, we 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:22.280 can go into sort of the phone and like being 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:24.840 attached to your phone. But you know, it's like do 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:27.080 you have a map in your car? Like I've thought 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:31.040 about getting sort of a a road out list, for example, 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:34.240 just in case, like I don't have GPS service because 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:37.000 and also I've been in situations where GPS has thrown 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:39.440 me on the road that is completely covered in snow, 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:43.000