WEBVTT - Bloomberg Power Players Summit Part 2 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.600 You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Masser and 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:07.920 Bloomberg Quick Takes Tim Stinovic on Bloomberg Radio. It was 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:11.799 gonna bring Baron Davison because he's listening here because we're 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:15.160 talking about sports obviously everything and anything, but you're listening 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:18.120 to about kind of what's going on geo politically. UM. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.560 Baron is founder and CEO Baron Davis Enterprises. He's a 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:24.640 two time NBA All Star, sirial entrepreneur, He's an investor, 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:28.160 He's founded several companies. You're a busy guy. I've been busy. 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.040 How do you what well, you know, you're listening to 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:33.760 us and there's just so much going on UM today. 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.040 When you think about geopolitical events, how do how do 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:38.400 you think about it? And how do you think about it? 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:40.520 Because you are an investor, I'm I'm assuming you watch 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:43.960 the financial markets for sure. I think, uh, you know, 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:47.800 like if you pay attention to the world, the rhythm 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.320 of the world, the trends of the world, I think 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:54.560 that you know, as an investor, you can always pretty 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.840 much tell when history is going to repeat it so right, 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.360 and so you know, I would say for an is 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:05.000 like studying history, understanding you know, what's happening from a 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.960 global perspective, who's being affected and how that works all 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.399 the way down the pipeline to like someone like me 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:16.080 or us right just living citizens, um you know, uh 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.160 in in the United States. And so for me, I'm 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:23.600 I pay attention to you know, our our our thought leaders, right, 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:28.399 our presidents, and and our global leaders, because they should 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:32.160 be the ones, right who who should align and be 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:34.640 able to fix the problems right or help kind of 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.520 cure and solve problems. But I think that you know 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.480 where we are today with Bloomberg, and you know, just 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.160 events like these, we have to also do our job 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:46.880 from you know, the bottom up right, and you know, 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:50.200 a lot of the economic problems we're facing, a lot 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:54.280 of the hardships. I think it's it's more community oriented 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:58.680 and figuring out how to you know, contribute these macro finances, 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:03.000 you know, to these micro financial businesses that can sustain. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.280 So with that being said, where are you seeing opportunities 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:08.520 right now in the market. A lot of opportunities I'm 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.880 starting to see in the health obviously in the healthcare space, 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.720 health tech is is hued. I think financial education, financial literacy, 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:19.160 so fintech. And then you know a space that I'm 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:23.800 super passionate about is this whole new Web three gaming, 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.839 you know, n f T market. Let's define Web three 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.160 for our audience because we have Web one, which is 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.240 the traditional sort of you know, uh, processing of information 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.959 and seeing something like a newspaper online. Web two traditionally 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:40.359 referred to as Facebook, social media, Instagram, smartphones. And then 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.160 here we are with reb Web three where we talked 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.920 about the immersive experience. Yeah, and I think the immersive 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.160 experiences like once again, like every time we go through 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.560 an iteration is like core cutting. And I think that 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.600 you know, Web two was really about you know, your 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:59.360 information being trust you trust your information for someone to 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.600 give you in information, right, And so that was the 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:06.160 case with Facebook until it all went wrong. Right, And 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.480 so now this whole Web three approaches, how can we 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:13.600 create communities around the same thoughts right where we can 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:18.880 actually have a decentralized approach, meaning a community voting approach 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:23.080 to say, hey, we support this, we support these initiatives 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:26.880 and these values. And now the data is coming off 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.840 of Web two, right, and now Web three is saying 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.440 you should own your own data, and then you should 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.880 be able to license your data to a Facebook or 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:40.320 a Snapchat or an Instagram because that that is your content. 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.080 So you know, I would say, you know, Web three 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:48.840 is really for the independent, the publisher, right uh, the artists, 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.800 right the person who thought that they never had a 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:55.920 chance to you know, get their artwork scene or or 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:59.640 get their talent seing. And this is this communal approach 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:07.800 of developed web developers, right uh, community managers, marketing and 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:15.600 social media managers, UM, studio production, VR, visual effects, things 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.599 like that that people are coming together, you know, in 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.640 the thousands and saying, hey, we love this project. We 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:23.760 all want to be a part of it. And the 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:28.560 incentives are really like about the artists. And so I 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.880 think this next wave of you know, economics is really 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.200 going to penetrate to Web three. When you think about 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:38.000 you know, health insurance and you think about privacy, you know, 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.000 you think about being able to create a system of 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:45.359 micro payments where you know, the bottom can benefit just 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:48.280 as well as the top. And so that's where I'm 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.000 most excited about. Are there companies in particular that you've 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.640 put some money towards our some investments in that you 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.719 that kind of play to that, Yeah, you know, we 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:01.080 have a partnership with Immutable UM, you know in the 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:06.520 mutables chain, agnostic and marketplaces and protocols UM. So we 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:08.360 we have a partnership for m t U, which is 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.280 our adventure studio. And Web three UM we made an 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:16.440 investment and uh and and and companies before like Web 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.679 two companies that can now have the opportunity to migrate 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:24.080 over so UM a fantasy app called Sleeper right which 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:28.039 already made gift emojis and had you know this community 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:33.520 community interaction of like day to day UM communication from 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.279 a fantasy team. And so now I think they have 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.400 the ability to kind of transfer into you know, this 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.640 whole Web three n f T space. Well, let's talk 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:43.200 about the n f T space. And you think about 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:47.520 sports memorabilia like you talk about you know, individuals athletes 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.920 like owning their own data, but also owning and really 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.440 being able to monetize memorabilia like this could just explode 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.680 or or should explode. No, I mean it should write 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:03.200 uh absolutely UM, And I like right now to give 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.200 a shout out to my team more than us. We 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.800 came up with a concept of being more than us, 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:11.520 like having a collective of people and keep adding collectives 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.920 of people to do collectives of projects. And I'm super 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.760 excited about UM. Our project called History of the Game. 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.120 And History of the Game is to decentralize the Hall 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:26.400 of Fame, right because where you know, I always ask players, 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:28.840 whereas the Hall of Fame, you know, it's like Springfield's 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.200 like have you been no? And you know the legends, right, 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.719 I'm I'm in the green room with Bernie Kozar and 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:39.680 Jim Brown, right, and I'm seeing legends like Spencer Haywood 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.360 and basketball and George the Iceman government. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:45.520 And it's and it's like, if we can build this 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:50.760 metaverse experience, right, whereas this never ending louver of storytelling, 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:54.400 then those older players they get to give us the 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.599 history of the game and bring us to modern age 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.640 and so you know, back to history. At the time, 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:04.200 we're living in decades that are evolving every three years, 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.360 so every three years like a decade. Well, and you know, 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:08.240 it's funny that you say that, bar because I also 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.880 do think about what you said about UM kind of 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:15.720 ownership of the information and then financial literacy or or 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:17.520 areas that you're investing in, and I think about this 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:21.120 is an opportunity for athletes to actually have some financial 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:23.960 futures when so many right get out of the game 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.640 and they're not in a good way. Yeah, and and 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.800 I think there is a revolution that's happening, right if 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.680 you look at this summit here, you know, with Bloomberg 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:35.840 at the super Bowl, you look around there are a 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.520 lot of athletes, a lot of athletes who have venture funds, 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.800 family office, startup companies, um. And I would say that 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:47.600 was not happening you know at the capacity and the eighties, 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:51.240 the nineties, even the two thousand's, and so you know, 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:55.560 now these athletes are at these summits, right, Bloomberg is 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.200 reaching out to the athletes, right and and and I 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.640 think people are starting to find in their commonplace right 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.679 and and for us, it's all about business inside the game. 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:08.080 What is the business inside the game of your industry 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.160 right that you can learn from and your sport that 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.320 you can translate, you know to life after your sport 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:16.320 and you think how you got you can help other 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:21.000 players to cut and stuff. Thank you so much, Thank you, Baron. 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.200 This was awesome, Founder and CEO of Baron Davis Enterprises 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:28.160 and of course two time NBA or Star. This past 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.600 year has been a remarkable one and how we are 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:36.000 all viewing folks going into space, it's pretty amazing professional 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:41.679 astronauts or Captain Kirk. It's kind of no, but I 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.320 would do it. Um. But it's you know, really changing, 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.240 and some say could he be even a sport? Um 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:49.880 let's begin. Ecoed the CEO at the privately held space 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.440 entertainment tourism company Zero Gravity Corporation. He is here on 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.720 site with us at the Power Players summit. Welcome, Thank 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.320 you so much for having me. Space tourism. It's not 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.760 necessarily a to actually go out to space. So none 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:03.920 of these, with the exception of flying up with Elon, 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.040 is going into space. I mean, so you don't buy that. 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.280 You don't think the Virgin Galactic goes into space. Well, 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.360 technically neither of them are or say orbital, and there's 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.320 the Carmen line, which is this you know number that 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.559 they say is space. But from basis goes higher than that. 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:22.280 He goes basically to the Carmen line. Richard goes and 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.840 slightly below it. But when you wouldn't really talk about space, 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.040 you're talking either suborbital which is them and really us 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:30.719 and some others that are developing, but they have to 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:36.760 blast off. Well you're going up on a rockets and um, 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:38.360 but you know you've got to get out of the 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.880 Earth's gravity to basically say yeah, I'm truly in space. 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.600 Go wrong, you know, sorry, there's stuff that go wrong 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.720 with my car, trying to get here today. All right, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.200 to tell us about what you guys are doing. So 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.240 what we're doing, we've been around for a while, is 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.520 we create the experience of being in space and zero 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:59.440 gravity where you're floating, doing somersaults, hanging in mid air, 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.280 very similar to being out in orbit or on the 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.200 International Space Station. And we do it via are very 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:10.280 highly customized Bowing seven twenty seven one same size I 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.480 went online. It's pretty cool. It's very cool. It's very unique. 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.280 And we basically pitch up at about UM fifty degrees. 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.600 You're feeling a little under two gs. So what that 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.600 means is like your body weight is sort of pulling 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.080 you down. Doesn't hurt, it's just weird. And then when 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:26.560 you get up to the top, you literally start floating 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.640 off the off the mats and now you are in 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:30.839 zero gravity and you have the exact and when we 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.360 train astronauts, we have astronats on it. It's the same 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.319 feeling as being on the I S. S. What's the 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.800 altitude you go to? It's not a function of altitude. 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.280 It's a function of how quickly you climb and fall exactly. 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.640 And again people also think it's the fall. You actually 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.679 start witlessness at the top of the parabola, so by 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:47.280 the time the plane is kind of tipped over, you 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:49.560 already back on the mats. And then we're getting wady 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:53.000 to do it again totally acceleration and velocity. What's the 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.280 demand been for your business? Have they gone crazier too? 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.120 With everybody else shooting up into space? So it was 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.440 going well for us? Is there in Kirk effect? I 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:05.280 think exactly, Um, you know, space has become so topical, 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.360 you know, And again thinks I think to really elon, 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.280 you know, with the reusable rocket, and then with with 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:14.120 Richard Branson with Virgin and then with Jeff with what 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.959 he's doing with Blue Origin. These people are seeing spaces 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.600 something that's in their consciousness, and we give you more 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.160 time and zero gravity than they do. You just don't 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.160 get the view. You're not, you know with them, you 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.480 should be you know, planted at the window looking at 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.720 the Blue Earth. With us, you're basically doing somersaults and 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.240 flying like Superman, and in doing these things, which are 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.800 the uber coolest thing a person can do. I would 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.800 also imagine a little cheaper than going on a trip 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:43.080 on how much. So it's about two to come up 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.040 with us um for about seven eight minutes of zero 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.760 gravity time. With Richard, it's about four fifty. And though 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:52.679 they don't they don't have a price yet with Bezos, 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:54.960 but I'm gonna guess it's about a million five And 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.560 we've seen people pay upwards of tens of millions of dollars. Yeah, 0:11:57.559 --> 0:11:59.199 I think, you know. I think the most expensive was 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:03.360 the first one, which is the I think spent twenty profitable. Um, 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:05.560 we are, I'd like to say we're pro form or profitable. 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.240 We invest a lot in the business, but we're generating 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.520 cash and growing. We're gonna take on two new planes, 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.360 two more planes to build out the demands there and 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:17.440 the demands not just there from cool experiences, but for science. 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.400 So have for a business of science like what specifically, 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.200 So a lot of a lot of science that's done 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:24.800 on the plane is how do things act in microgravity 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.280 or in the space, So fluid transfers, how things come together, 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.920 all these things, and with the space stations being built now, 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.719 the need for even more of that is there. And 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.160 we train astronauts. The last four that went up on 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.560 inspiration for training with us. The next four they are 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.280 going up at the end of March with Axiom and 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.760 the Space station training with us. So part of that 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:47.040 initial feeling before you get up there is coming to 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.839 us that you're getting so yes. So for some of 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:52.599 the projects we are working with NASA and some of 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.959 the other things we do, we definitely get government contracts. 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.200 We've actually just got a fairly big one in a 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:00.679 competitive environment to basically do a lot of super things. 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:02.920 And and there's one thing I can't quite yet announce 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.280 now that think is the coolest um. But the other 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.240 thing we're looking to do is wait, wait, wait, wait, 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.280 you could I can't. Yeah you could, but you want 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.520 to go to jail um. So the really cool thing 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.679 we've actually been thinking about and here we are at 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:21.359 as a sports summit, is introducing a high gravity training program. 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.760 So basically, when you're climbing like this, you're pulling two 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.680 gs and the atmosphere in the plane is similar to 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.839 be like like like Tahoe, heard about them, you know, 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.839 so the same environment as being in Lake Tahoe as 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.880 far as you know pressure and now you've got two g's. 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.880 So think of doing push ups twice your body weight 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.680 at Lake Tahoe, just as an example. So instead of 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.480 doing the pair, um parable isn't giving all that. I'm 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.320 just gonna go up, down, up, down and give you 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:51.640 twenty five minutes of literally the highest intensity, coolest workout 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.400 known to man. Geographic expansion with these other planes, are 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:55.880 you staying in one area? Are you going around the 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.559 count the World's the plane moves. It's in California today, 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:00.959 it's in Miami. Next week we're in New York, which 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.280 is another fit, really cool one where you take helicopters 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.400 from the city to the plane. UM Kennedy Space Center 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.160 is a really cool one where we do the shuttle 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.320 landing facility to take a little tour around NASAs. You know, 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.960 Elon's launchpad. So and I should you know, we should 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.920 do a segment on this. We should how many So 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:21.240 in an average year, how many people are going up? 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.760 So we'll do a hundred total flights this year. Fifty 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.920 of them will be consumer related fifty. I would say, 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.000 I would say a thousand people on on you know, 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.720 basically is it is probably a good number of consumers, 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.400 but then a lot of scientists as well. But oh yeah, 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.280 I mean we're gonna we have capacity. We will fill 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.640 capacity for the next three two Could you get could 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:44.240 you get costs down? Difficult? It's a really expensive business. 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.600 It's just you know, we're flying airplanes. You know, it's 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.520 it's just it's it's a tough business. So if we could, 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.080 we would. And it's not like volume, it's it's it's 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.480 even taking another plane, same insurance, same that same that 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:00.200 some economies. But um but again it's a it's the 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.080 cost of a business class ticket to Europe to basically 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.200 have the coolest thing that you can post on Instagram 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.960 and even better, somebody talks about the bigger house or 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.040 car they have. You show him your video like an astronaut, 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.440 you say, top this, You're the coolest kid in in 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.120 the block. Then, um, macco, thank you so much. We 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.960 really appreciate Zero Gravity Corporation joining us. He's the CEO 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.880 of that company. A great people in a great city. Yes, well, 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.200 those dulcet tones are totally Banta Caine. He's two times 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.760 Super Bowl shamp former lineback, winning back to back rings 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.880 with the Patriots six seasons, two seasons with the forty niners. 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.080 And he's also worked with the sports platform Obsession and 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.320 he is with us here the Power Players Something. How 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.360 are you, I'm great, Thanks for having me. Well, it's 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.800 great to have you here. Um, you know, when you 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:44.520 come to an event like this, there's people, you know, 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.240 it's just the world of sports is just exploding on 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.320 so many different levels. You know, what is it that's 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.440 interesting for you right now? When you look at the 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:56.200 game and what's interesting? I mean when I played, there 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.880 was no social media. There was no Twitter, no Instagram, 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:00.840 any of that stuff. I mean was at the tail 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.920 end of my career. So for players now just to 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:08.400 have the that platform or so many platforms to get 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.360 to engage with their fans and and to really tell 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.880 their stories. I mean, that's an awesome time for sports 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:15.760 in general. Hey, I want to talk a little bit 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.680 about going from player to coach and in changing sort 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.800 of the idea of of what you're doing out there 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.440 on the field. Um, how do you do that? How 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.320 do you make that transition and how do you how 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.400 do you take what you learned as a player and 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:33.200 help younger people and people earlier in their careers. Uh, well, 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.760 you just have to, you know, reflect on the time 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:37.440 that when you were a kid or when you were 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:41.480 young and and realize that you know, uh, these kids 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.280 are just they're trying to get where you're at, and 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.560 so you have you have to draw from that knowledge 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:49.400 and experience. Um, and from going from player to coach. 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:51.960 I think it's a lot of when you listen and 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.360 watch other styles of coaches, then you can kind of 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.480 see what works for you or what worked for you 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:58.440 and what didn't work for you and try to make 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:00.800 it your own all you know what we all want 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.320 to ask you. So he talked to us about playing 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:06.720 with the Patriots and Tom Brady, Uh dream come true? 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.880 I mean, uh, I still it's been over ten years now. 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.080 It's just when I look back, it's hard to really 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:15.080 believe that that happened to me. But uh, when I 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.600 was drafted to New England, Um, did you want to 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:19.399 be there? You know? I didn't even know where it 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.960 was to be honest, I didn't had no idea where 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.399 New England was, what it was about. I knew they 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.000 had won a Super Bowl two years prior. Um, so 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:28.760 getting there and being able to win a Super Bowl 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.840 my rookie year was like really because I never went 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.159 to a bowl game in college, went to Berkeley, you know, 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:38.080 the powerhouse. Uh and uh. Then to win it back 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.159 to back was just like, oh man, I'm on the 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:43.000 Super Bowl every year. And then obviously playing with great 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.359 guys like Tom Brady and that whole team you know, 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:50.159 from the Mike Vrabels to the Teddy Bruce Ki's, Troy Browns. 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.399 I mean, everyone that was on that team was just 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.320 a special type of player because you do realize that 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.639 everybody has the same experience, like the same you know 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.400 what I mean, there are other players with was where 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:04.000 it doesn't necessarily go so well, like you know, something's magical. Yeah, 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:05.679 I mean I was just talking to Eric Dickerson, who 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:07.600 was like, you know, did you play? I was like, yeah, 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.760 I played. He's like, whould you play? With New England always? 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:12.080 So you want some rings and I want some rings? 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.000 Do you win some rings? No? I didn't win any rings, 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:15.679 you know, so it's like wow, I mean this is 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.920 Eric Dickerson, you know, kind of you know, and all 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:20.639 of the fact that I want wings, and it's like, 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.119 you know, there are a lot of stories where I 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.200 have you know, I don't take for granted the fact 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:29.280 that I want two of them. Um surprised by Brady's 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:35.800 retirement at all? Uh? I mean I'm not surprised because 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.040 I didn't want I wanted him to go out where 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:39.399 the game didn't take him out. You don't want to 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:41.560 see him leaving the game on a stretcher, right, So 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:42.800 the fact that he was able to do it on 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.440 his own terms, Uh, it's great. But I don't count 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.520 him out making a comeback. I don't. I don't know 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:50.119 when the type of person he is, if he stays 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.920 in shape, uh, and he sees an opportunity to win 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:55.639 another one, he's gonna take it. Knowing who he is, 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.080 Where would he do that? There's other teams, But there's 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.760 other teams. I mean, you know, I'm sure he would. 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.280 I mean San Francisco would be Uh would be a 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.719 good fit considering that was his childhood dream team. Well, 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.239 it's interesting too as a player, you know, and there's this, 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:13.640 you know, the conversations we often have at these events 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.240 is players who play really well and then come and 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.040 then they're done and then they're in a tough way 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.720 or financially or thinking about what comes next. How do 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.560 you think about that? UM, I mean, I think it's 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.960 a serious issue among a lot of players because you know, 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:31.440 you've gotta think you're coming into a professional game at 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:36.119 years old. You don't really have that much business acumen 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:38.679 of business sense. So when you get into the real world, 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:41.679 the NFL can prepare you in certain ways with you know, 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:45.040 teamwork and working with people, but there are other things 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.639 that you kind of miss by not playing or not 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:49.760 being in that realm. So I think a lot of 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:51.720 players they try to get into it and it's it's 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:53.920 can be overwhelming. Hey, we've been speaking a lot of 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:55.920 today about the Brian Flores lawsuit and the lack of 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.439 diversity in the NFL, especially at the coaching level, not 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.040 to mention the ownership of team levels. Would be curious 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.000 to get your thoughts on on on this and and 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:05.400 and where you see things right now? Well, I mean, 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.280 the game is changing, uh, and the league itself is 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.240 changing where you know, they're they're trying to make room 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:14.639 for for guy minority players and coach players obviously, but 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:18.240 the coaching realm is UH is wide open, and I 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.520 think there's so many worthy candidates to get in it. So, um, 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:24.679 where isn't it happening? Well, uh, you know, it's a 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:26.639