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Speaker 1: and Alex Bark. The information tells us, The data tells

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Speaker 1: For the life of me, I can't figure that out. You.

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Speaker 1: I just told you what is your anti math? But

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Speaker 1: I don't, I really don't. It's Alex Barth, it's Evan Lazar,

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Speaker 1: It's Patriots Catch twenty two. Faith behind the Glass today

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Speaker 1: doing her her maiden voyage solo. How's it going so far?

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Speaker 1: Faith good. Yeah, it's got good on our end. No

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Speaker 1: no hiccups over here. So that's great. So we have

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Speaker 1: a lot of draft content to talk about. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: We can promise you that everybody was teasing us about

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Speaker 1: that Alex on Unfiltered. Well, we'll call back, you know

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Speaker 1: for the draft content. Don't worry about it, and all right,

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Speaker 1: we got Catch twenty two coming up. Though they'll hit

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Speaker 1: the draft no problem. But it's an offseason show. That's

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Speaker 1: what I always tell people. This is an off We

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Speaker 1: We are better. Not that we are not to toot

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Speaker 1: This is this camp. We just get excited, we get

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Speaker 1: Basically what this show is very true. That being said,

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Speaker 1: them new Super Bowl Evan. Look, he's ultimately the reason

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Speaker 1: then the rest of the draft everybody was was Parcels, guys. Whatever. Okay,

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Speaker 1: was essentially able to out athlete corners and just run

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Speaker 1: by him or run away from them, or whatever the

426
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 1: case may be. I don't know from a technical standpoint,

427
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 1: he's very raw. He's got a very limited route tree.

428
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: He doesn't really do the things at the top of

429
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: the route that you'd like to see, the efficiency, the deceptiveness,

430
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 1: that type of stuff. So he's gonna have to get

431
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: coached up on all those things because he's gonna come

432
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: to the NFL and he's no longer going to be

433
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: one of one. He's gonna be one of a hundred,

434
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: and once he gets to the league, he's gonna have

435
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: to figure out a little bit more how to play

436
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Speaker 1: the position. Do you have any confidence, based off their

437
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: track record that the Patriots could take a guy like

438
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: Tyler Scott and round him out right and fill in

439
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 1: the holes so that he's somebody that is as good

440
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 1: as his athletic ability makes his potential. He has a

441
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 1: sky high potential in the league, but he's gonna have

442
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: to land with a good receivers coach that knows how

443
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 1: to coach him up and he's gonna you're gonna have

444
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 1: to be patient with him too. I don't think that

445
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: this is a guy that's going to step in day

446
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 1: one and be an impact player for you. And I've

447
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: said this before. If that's the kind of guy you want,

448
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: you already have him right at that point, Put Tae

449
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: Kwon Thornton out on the field and see what you

450
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: can do with him. I'll touch on Ronnie Bell. I

451
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: do like Ronnie Bell. So he's projected to go a

452
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: little later. He's probably a day three pick out of

453
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: Michigan six one. I watch him. He looks a little

454
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: bit like Trey Nixon to me, but I think there's

455
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: more upside. Yeah. So he tours ACL in twenty twenty

456
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: one beginning of twenty twenty one season, came back last year,

457
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: had a career year, sixty two catches, nine hundred yards,

458
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: And we know the whole thing about ACL is right,

459
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: it's it's really one year removed. So you come back,

460
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: you have that kind of bridge year, and then you're

461
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 1: really back and shape the next year. He didn't play

462
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: a ton his first three years in college, so we

463
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: haven't seen him as a regular contributor. Fully healthy, He's

464
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 1: one of these players to me that he's good at everything,

465
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 1: but he's not great at anything. He's just a very

466
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: well rounded receiver. There's not a ton of holes in

467
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 1: his game, but there's not that one trait you look

468
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: at and you say he's going to dominate by doing that.

469
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 1: I do think he's got his if there is one

470
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: of his out running yeah. I think he catches the

471
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: ball pretty well too, like his catch radius and his

472
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: ability to adjust it throws. You had a really good

473
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: game against TCU, right, so yeah, so they're pretty good.

474
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not like, oh my god, this guy. Right,

475
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 1: So if he's around late on Day three, I don't

476
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: hate the Patriots taking him, but I don't know that.

477
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: I'm still where I've been at since the beginning of

478
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: the off season. The wide receiver position. If you're not

479
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: bringing in a guy who's the clear number one, all

480
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 1: you're doing is just benching players. Right So, like, look,

481
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 1: if it's pick two, ten, whatever, take it, right. But

482
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: the same goes for Tyler Scott at forty six, at

483
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 1: at seventy six, even a like one O seven, one seventeen, one,

484
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: thirty five, they don't outside Marvin Mims is the one

485
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: guy that I think maybe breaks out from that group. Yeah,

486
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: outside of him, you don't need to take another receiver

487
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 1: and do the lodge in. Just if you're gonna take

488
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 1: a receiver, get a guy who's gonna be at the

489
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 1: top of the depth chart. That's picking at fourteen. But

490
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: if you're gonna pick at fourteen, just a receiver fourteen,

491
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: just trade to pick for Cherry Judy at that point

492
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 1: that you're not gonna give up that take. Even now,

493
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give up that take. I appreciate the

494
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: who is who is Zay Wilson? Ideally in three years

495
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers? Who is Zay? Would I say Wilson? I

496
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: don't know who that is. Who is Zay Flowers? Ideally

497
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: in three years that's Jerry Judy. And if you're gonna say,

498
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: oh well, he'll be younger, Jerry Judy's only like sixteen

499
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: months older than Zay Flowers, even though he's been in

500
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: the league for three years. And if you're gonna bring

501
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: up the contract, you still have one more year of

502
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: the rookie deal and the fifth year option on Jerry Judy.

503
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: He doesn't actually get expensive until twenty twenty five, three

504
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: years from now. That's forever in the NFL that a

505
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: player being expensive in twenty twenty five should not bother

506
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: you in twenty twenty three. And it also just the

507
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: Patriots are not one of those teams that can say, well,

508
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,479
Speaker 1: we could have Jerry Judy, but we could also have

509
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers in the draft who might be just as good,

510
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: because they don't have the luck in the draft at

511
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: the position. So it's it's just a risky Evan. You

512
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: can have the boat or you can have the mystery box.

513
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: The mystery box could be anything. It could even be

514
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: a boat. This is a perfect that That's just that's

515
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: our draft coverage, all right. Uh, Jeff alex is in

516
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: need Um okay my hometown. Oh wow, great, you guys

517
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: love the show Rocket Power. One thing. One thing about

518
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: a Patriots graft season is we spend all this time

519
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: looking at these protects only to have them draft the

520
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: guy we never heard of from Chattanooga or someone we

521
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: thought wasn't a fifth like Taekwon Thornton. So in that vein,

522
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: one guy was getting us not getting a lot of attention,

523
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: but it is right in our first round range. You know,

524
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: offensive weapon, not really a walker but I wonder if

525
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: you guys think he might be a surprise pick there

526
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: at one and then second part um, I want to

527
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: put our money where our mouth is on Charlie Jones,

528
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: where are we who are we drafting? In the head up? Right?

529
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: I think after the first year and like, Josh down,

530
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: what you guys are you thinking? Charlie Jones the head

531
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: up with Marvin Man's ROSSI right, thanks, and I'll hang

532
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: up and listen, thanks, Jeff. And I said rocket power

533
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: because it's the Needham Rocket. Okay, I was forget if

534
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: you're from Needham or Needing, what do you actually? Yeah,

535
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: kind of it's end towns. And then we had a

536
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: caller earlier on PU that was from Wellesley, so I

537
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: had to say, screw Wellesley, of course. And I don't

538
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: think anybody got it, but that's all right. Anyways, Uh,

539
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: Charlie Jones, we're gonna get to the second. We're gonna

540
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that to the second. The first

541
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: question he asked? What was the first question? He asked?

542
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: I got lost in the Dalton Kinkade do dunkin Kaide?

543
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: Are the people ready for me to talk about Dalton Kinkaide?

544
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: Alex because I don't know if they are either of

545
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: us frankly, because I think we have similar is. Your

546
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: might be ears might be a little stronger than mine,

547
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 1: but I'm sure. So I'm not really seeing what all

548
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: the fuss is about what dal kincaid. I'm not gonna

549
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: lie to you now. I would have preferred the utes

550
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: were packed twelve champions seven, and I will fully admit

551
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: that because I do not have some of the analytic technology,

552
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: the tracking data that NFL teams do, that I am

553
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: reliant on athletic testing to figure out how good of

554
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: an athlete people actually are, right the forty, the combine

555
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: even pro days, like, just give me some sort of

556
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: tangible number where I can say that guy looks like

557
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: a four four guy and he is a four four guy, right,

558
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: that's the evidence that I need. So I don't have

559
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: that with Dalton Kincaid because of his injuries. So maybe

560
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: he is faster, maybe he is more agile than I

561
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: think he is. But what I really would implore people

562
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: to do there. I know there's a cut up on

563
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: YouTube of Dalton Kincaid against USC which was his big

564
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: game last year. Sixteen catches over two hundred yards. I

565
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: think he had a touchdown in that game as well.

566
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: Watch the film of Dalton Kincaid against USC and just

567
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: look at the coverage that USC runs in that game,

568
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: look at the resistance that he truly has, and ask yourself,

569
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: does that look like an NFL Does that look like

570
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: it's a translatable game to the NFL? Right, Because what

571
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 1: I see with Dalton Kincaid at US at against USC

572
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: is a lot of soft zone, not a lot of

573
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: resistance at the line of scrimmage, and he's just sitting

574
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: down in his zone or he's running through his zone

575
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: and he's making catches and then after the catch he's

576
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: got some wiggle and he's got some juice. I agree

577
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: with that he's he's very slippery after the catch, but

578
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: before the catch, I just don't necessarily see an explosive,

579
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: dynamic athlete. I think he's a heady route runner. I

580
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: think he knows where he's going. I think he's really

581
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: good at finding soft spots in zone. I think, get

582
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: up on people and then make some cuts at the

583
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: top of the route. But for my money, I think

584
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: Sam Laporte is a more dynamic athlete. I think it

585
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: moves on the field faster than Dalton Kincaid and then

586
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: Sam Laporta went to the combine and put up a

587
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: ridiculous combine. So now I have that evidence to back

588
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: it up, which unfortunately I don't have with Kincaid. I

589
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: think Kaid will be a solid pro. I don't think

590
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: that I don't see special when I watched Dalton Kinkaid

591
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: on film. And maybe I'll be wrong about this, but

592
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: the guy that he really reminds me of, and I'm

593
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: not going to compare him to this because on my

594
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: big bore, because I don't want to be this mean, Okay,

595
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: but I remember Bryson Hopkins from a few years ago

596
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: from Purdue. Yeah, that was a guy that if you

597
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: cut up his film and his catches his last year

598
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: going into the draft, he showed some of that Travis Kelsey, right,

599
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: He's got that quick route running ability for a tight end.

600
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: He can get open, he can run with the football.

601
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: It really the athleticism didn't translate for him. I don't

602
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: think Dalton Kinkaid is quite there. But I've seen people

603
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: that have had Dalton Kinkaid as over Mayor and people

604
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: that have had Dalton Kacade as a first round prospect.

605
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: I just I don't think that he's as physically gifted

606
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: as I would want him to be because the last

607
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: piece of this whole rant, he doesn't block. So you're

608
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: really drafting him as a receiver. It's the mic Asiki, right,

609
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: You're drafting him to play receiver. You're not drafting him

610
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: to be a two way tight end. I'm not saying

611
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: that I hate him. I'm not saying that he's the

612
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: worst prospect ever. I'm just saying I don't think that

613
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: he's this special athlete out on the field, and that

614
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: USC game is not necessarily as much evidence of look

615
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: at how great this guy can be. And that was

616
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: twenty five percent of his production last year was from

617
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: one game. Not to mention that a lot of tight

618
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: ends went off against USC. They had trouble with tight ends.

619
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: He also had monster numbers against Southern Utah and FCS team.

620
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah about Adam Troutman is like a comp Yeah, I

621
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: think he's you know, Troutman was bigger, right, I think

622
00:31:55,000 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: so maybe six five. I just don't. I don't see it,

623
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: like I think a lot of people compare him to Kelsey,

624
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: which is obviously lofty for any It's very lofty. There

625
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: is there is a Travis Kelsey in the draft, but

626
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: he's Travis Kulzy. Company's going later. Okay, I think that honestly,

627
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: my Dalton kin Kaid takes kind of same as my

628
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: Michael Mayer takes, at least as it relates to the Patriots.

629
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: Even if you think daltkin Kaid's gonna be a good pro, yeah,

630
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: he's an upside guy. He's not a high floor guy.

631
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: Dalton kincaide in three years would probably be a better

632
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: player than Hunter Henry in three years. But they need

633
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: to focus on twenty twenty three yea, and twenty twenty three.

634
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: Dalton Kinkaid is gonna be about the same player as

635
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry and Mike Kisiki. So again, you're creating that

636
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: log jam. It's like my my take with the wide

637
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: receivers last Weekkevin the first round pick needs to be

638
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: a guy who's gonna play eighty percent of the time. Yeah.

639
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: For Dalton Kinkaid to do that, you're putting a very

640
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: highly paid player on the bench, which is this team

641
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: can not afford to do. Yeah, and you're gonna end

642
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: up with the same production either way. So to me,

643
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: that's kind of a way to a pick for them

644
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: if you want that athletic receiving tight end. Look, there's

645
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: something to be said for there's something to be said

646
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: for obviously nor I'm going with us Hunter Henry. Everybody

647
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: knows I'm wrong with this. Hunter Henry's in a contract here,

648
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 1: Mike Kisiki's in a contract here. They need a receiving

649
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: tight end on the roster behind those guys that can

650
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: take over next year. It makes so much more sense

651
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: to take a guy on day three, red shirtom behind

652
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: those two, let him develop his game, maybe a lower floor,

653
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: high ceiling guy, and then have him slide in next year.

654
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: So whether that is Zach Cood or it could be

655
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: Cameron Latto from Alabama, he doesn't quite have the athleticism right,

656
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: but he's an upside tight end. Davis Allen from Clemson

657
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: is a guy I think because we don't take can

658
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: I name a rabbit? Luke Schoonmaker? Is that no jack rabbit?

659
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: He's still top one hundred. I'm saying, like out of

660
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: the top of hundred kcraft I think you know it

661
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: was seventy six though, Like you're taking him in the

662
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: third round. Fine, but the point is if you take

663
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: a tight end of the first round, that guy has

664
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: to play, and now you're either benching him or you're

665
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: benching Hunter Henry to probably end up with the same

666
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: production one way or the other. There's really no point

667
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: in that. Take a guy later, let him red shirt,

668
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: let him develop, basically what you did with josh Ucha

669
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. The one tight end they can justify

670
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: to me in the top one hundred. You said you

671
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 1: you'll count Tucker Craft. It's such a deep class. Even

672
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm fine waiting beyond Tucker Craft. You're gonnah Is Darnel

673
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: watching because there are up because it makes sense, there

674
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: are upgrades and there are additions. Maybe maybe, and I

675
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: don't think this, but maybe Dalton Kincaide is an upgrade.

676
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: They don't need upgrades, they need additions. It's not can

677
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: you do what you do better? They need to add

678
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: to what they already do. Dalton and Kaide. Maybe if

679
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: it all works out, which would it's done so much

680
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: for them in the draft in the last couple of years.

681
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: Is it makes you a little bit better at tight end.

682
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: Darnell Washington adds an element to the offense. They don't

683
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: have in specifically Evan. I was watching some cutups yesterday

684
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: because I have to go back and rewatch Darnel Washington

685
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: every two weeks because I try to write about him,

686
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: and I try to remember the last time I watched him,

687
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, that can't be real, and then

688
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 1: I have to go back and watch it and remind myself.

689
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: At Israel, they ran this play. They probably ran it

690
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: two or three times a game at Georgia, where Darnell

691
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: Washington would be in line on the right side of

692
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: the formation, running back in the backfield, and they'd stack

693
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: three receivers to the left, they bootleg out to the

694
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: right side, just throw the ball to Darnel Washed in

695
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: the flat and he'd run over like two corners and

696
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: pick up the first down. Yeah. In Bill O'Brian's offense,

697
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: caused that a submarine route. All right, I call it successful.

698
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: I call it a submarine route, whatever you want to

699
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: call it. Also heard it called a slide route, and like,

700
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: submarine sounds cool in this offense with how well they

701
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: project her on the All yeah, give me that, give

702
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: me that submarine because you go under the line right

703
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: like you're going and no, I get it. Yeah, yeah,

704
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm just described also because the quarterback normally kind of

705
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: throws that ball side arm, which is like in baseball

706
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: that's a side arm pitcher, a submarine pitcher last year

707
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's a cool name. Darne Washingtons

708
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: the only tight end I want in the top one hundred. Okay,

709
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: that's fair if you don't want to say tuft Craft.

710
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: But I just think that in like the you know,

711
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: if he goes in the third round, or even if

712
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: he gets pushed into like early day three, just because

713
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: of how deep the class is, that maybe you just

714
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: have some more athletic upside than somebody like a camlat

715
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: Too or something like that. And for what it's worth,

716
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 1: I could see them taking tucker Craft one hundred percent.

717
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they won't. Like it's seventy six. It

718
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: makes a ton of sense. But yeah, again, if you're

719
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: just going to draft a tight end off athletic physical

720
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: upside and you're fine going with the small school, you

721
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: have to there's a clear answer. The two things that

722
00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: give me pause with Darnell Washington number one, Yeah, forty

723
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: five career catches at Georgia, and I understand that he

724
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: had brock Bowers and there was other people in that

725
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: offense and things like that. But the receiving game for

726
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: him is projection. You're projecting that he is going to

727
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: develop into a player that can be a high volume

728
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: But isn't it the same with Kinkaid. No, I'm not

729
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: necessarily say him to be a high volume player to

730
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: be a successful pick. Well, that that's true, I don't

731
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: think so. The other thing that I would say about

732
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: Washington is that he is a builder of speed. He's

733
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: not a speed guy, right, and so he tested really

734
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: well in the forty, but he's not somebody he it

735
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: takes a little while to get that train roll. But kay,

736
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: So he's not going to test the seam as much

737
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: as I think that maybe some people think just because

738
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: it does, he's not going to get on the second

739
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: level and like that. It's going to take him some

740
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: time to build that. So I think people look at

741
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: him as this like big downfield threat. Yeah, that's not

742
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: what you're draft aft to him for. That's misuse. If

743
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: that's how what you're drafting him to do. You're not

744
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: drafting him to run routes. To me, there are two

745
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: phases of the game as the receiver where he's going

746
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: to be impactful off play action a short part of

747
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: the field and obviously in the red zone, in the

748
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: red zone stuff. Yeah, you have receivers who can test

749
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: the scene. You have. You have Hunter Henry. You have

750
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: because I don't need him being Hunter Henry. That's why

751
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: I love the pick. Yeah, and then you also have

752
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: what he adds in the running game. So to the

753
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: concern about the receiving, I don't need him to go

754
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: out there and be a ballerina running routes. I really don't.

755
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: And as for the speed thing, he doesn't. Yeah, he's

756
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: not going to run away from anybody, but you better

757
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: get to him quick on defense because it doesn't matter

758
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: how fast he's moving. The first guy that gets to him,

759
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: especially if it's a corner or a corner safety, they're

760
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: not tackling him. They're just simply not tackling him. So

761
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: he's gonna drag guys after the catch. His ceiling to me,

762
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: say it as a player, say it, I don't know.

763
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know what I'm gonna say.

764
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're gonna His ceiling to me

765
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: as a player is washed. Grob Gronkowski. I think it's

766
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: a little higher than that. I think it's eighteen, No

767
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: Rob gronkown No, that's where I'm at Layton, not eighteen

768
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: late career Rob. He was, it's called him Rob anything

769
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: is that year Lake Lake career Gronk. That's who I

770
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: think he is. I think he's a little better than that.

771
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: He's not prime Gronk. And I knew you were going

772
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: to say Gronk in some regard Gronk that year twenty eighteen.

773
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: Look that year, Washed Rob Gronkowski caught forty seven passes

774
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: for six hundred and eighty two yards. Boom, that's the ceiling.

775
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: That would be their best tight end season since then.

776
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: Washed Rob Gronkowski is his ceiling. It's still a pretty

777
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: good player. I would take that. I think he's a

778
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: little better than that. Gronk only caught three touchdowns that

779
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: year because they ran the ball every time on the

780
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: goal line. I think he's ye and he blocked the

781
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: crap out of people, right, But I think he can

782
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: catch the ball too. He's a red zone threat. He can.

783
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: Here's one thing. Here's the touchdown run against the Chargers.

784
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: I think it is from the where he combos Gronk does. Anyway,

785
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: here's the trade everybody sleeps on with Darnel Washington, all

786
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: the Darnel Washington fans. I want to tell you, well,

787
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: he's faster than people think, he's better route runner than

788
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: people think. He's not. The one trade everybody sleeps on

789
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: his body control. Yes, in his ability to high point

790
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: the ball go up one handed catches away from his body,

791
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: which again, who else was that as best trade as

792
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: a receiver. That's why I said washed Gronk. He's not.

793
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: But when you when you say washed, people see that

794
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: in a negative connotation. Just say late career Rock Groun. Okay,

795
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: late career Rob Gronkowski. Discount Gronk, I think is another

796
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: one that is a negative. You keep putting these negative

797
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: connotations because I'm not gonna sit here and say the

798
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: guy is going to be the next career. Late career

799
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: doesn't have a negative connotation, but it implies that it's

800
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: not Gronk. This is pekas just semantics, argue Darne Washington's

801
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: Oh okay, how about this, This is actually very interesting

802
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: one in the chat, I got one more caught for you. Yeah,

803
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: Ben Coats, No, he's no Ben cos is a much

804
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: better player. Speaking of should be Hall of Famers, he's

805
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: in that. Let's not put that that that ju ju

806
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: in the air that he's got to be as good

807
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: as Ben Coats. Ben Coates is a hell of a player,

808
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: the only tight end I want in the top one hundred,

809
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: and I think he makes a massive difference on this offense.

810
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: I think that to some all of this up because

811
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: the Patriots I want to talk about top thirty visits.

812
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: Latest that we didn't talk about her has come out

813
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: in the last week since we've been on air. Dalton

814
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: Kinkaid is one of them. He was here for a

815
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: Top thirty visitors coming for a top thirty visit. I

816
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: think that's a really good way of what I was

817
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: trying to say, is that you if you're taking a

818
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: player in the first round, where I think you probably

819
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: will need to take Dalton Kincaid, or let's call it

820
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: the top forty of the draft and he taking the

821
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: first round, you need that player to be so damn

822
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 1: good that all of us get out there in July

823
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: on the first day of training camp and say we

824
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: can't take this player off the field, right Well, what

825
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: he's way too good Like he's already the best player

826
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: in the room. I don't think that Dalton Kinkaid is

827
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: that good, and I guess that's where I'm at. The

828
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: one other thing I'll say, and I know you want

829
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: to move on. The thing we do in the NFL draft,

830
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: I think a lot is we look at these players

831
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: and we get really into these players, and we think, man, like,

832
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: they gotta get this guy when ninety nine percent of players.

833
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: This isn't to take anything away from any players. Every

834
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: players worked really hard to get to this point, and

835
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: they're all obviously incredibly talented, but there's only so many skills. Yeah,

836
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that you can go get

837
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: again next year. You miss out on Dalton Kincaide, you

838
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: really feel like you need that guy. If somebody feels

839
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: that way, like, oh, I'm just not gonna be able

840
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: to handle if they don't take Dalkin Caid, Go look

841
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: up Kid Stover from Ohio State. I know brock Bowers

842
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: is the big name they're not gonna get. He's gonna

843
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: be a top five pick. Go look up Kid Stover

844
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: from Ohio State. You'll feel a lot better now. The

845
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: next next year in the draft, we have Marvin Harrison junior,

846
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: and you have Brock Bowers. Yeah, when's the last time

847
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: that two skill position? But we're losing our mind if they,

848
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: oh my god, if they don't get Zay Flowers, who

849
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: would be like a second round pick next year. Now

850
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: there are you might be a second round pick this

851
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: year if you listen to certain people. True, there are

852
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: a handful of players in every draft. And we're beyond

853
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: Darnel watching. Now this is draft like philosophy, but we're

854
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: using Washington as an example. Yeah, there are a handful

855
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: of players in every draft. Yes, that are unicorns. If

856
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: that's not last year? Right, it was Tark Wolin, Right,

857
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: it was Jordan Davis. Yeah, you if you miss on

858
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis, you're not getting Jordan Davis again next year,

859
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: right right. Darnel Washington to me, is a unicorn in

860
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: this draft you're not getting You can go get Dalton

861
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: Kincade next year. I even think you can go get

862
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: Michael Mayer next year. Tucker Craft, Luke Musgrave, Sam Laporta,

863
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: maybe even Zach Coots. Those guys is Evan, you're gonna

864
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: tell me, Darnel Washington, Dwan Jones is a unicorn give

865
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: me a unicorn first, give me a unicorn in the

866
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: draft in this draft. Yeah, besides those two, is there

867
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: one on defense? Anthony Richardson? Yeah, Yeah, that's a good Yeah,

868
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: risky unicorn, but unicorn unicorn you're not getting Anthony Richardson. Yeah,

869
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: all right. So we talked about Dalin Kinkaid. That's another

870
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: Top thirty visit that we wanted to discuss. I'm really

871
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: curious to get your take on this, Alex. Their interest

872
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: in edge rushers is fascinating to me. So we talked

873
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,479
Speaker 1: last week about Nolan Smith. He was in for a visit.

874
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: This week we find out that Tyree Wilson and Lucas

875
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: van Ness both in for visits, and they met with

876
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: both at the combine, I believe as well. I know

877
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: they met with van Ness. I'm trying to remember. I

878
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: don't know where they met with Miles Murphy, but the

879
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: Miles Murphy is in this conversation too, and what they've

880
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: had some pro day. Yeah, they were at his pro

881
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: day and I think they had a private meeting with

882
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: him at his pro day. So they're like they did

883
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: with JS, right, So they're in. They're in on this

884
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: edge class clearly, and there's a lot to like. I

885
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: think that that's one thing that I'm coming away a

886
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: little bit optimistic about this draft approach is that they

887
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: are doing their due diligence on the good positions in

888
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: this draft. Edge corner, tight end. Right, They're doing their

889
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: homework on those guys, which tells me at some point

890
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: in time they're drafting somebody from that group, right, right,

891
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: whatever it is, but I'm really curious to get your

892
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: take on their interest in these first round edge rusher guys. Now,

893
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: maybe I don't think this is smoke screen. I hate

894
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: that conversation. I don't know if it's smoke screen. I

895
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: can or I don't think it's smokescreen. Could it be, oh,

896
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, maybe the Jets will take one at thirteen

897
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: or you know whatever, we need to know the guy

898
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: like maybe, But I really think that they're stacking their

899
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 1: board at that position. I really do. And I don't

900
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: know if they'll take one at fourteen. But you you

901
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: said this is like draft philosophy. I think one another

902
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: draft philosophy is that you don't draft for twenty twenty three.

903
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: You're really drafting for twenty twenty four, right, And clearly

904
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: that's going to be a position in twenty twenty four

905
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: where you're not gonna have Josh uj under contract anymore.

906
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: Matthew Judon is gonna be the last year of his

907
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: deal at thirty two years old. For Anthony Jennings, Anthony

908
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: Jennings and Ronnie Ronnie Perkins who knows, and Anthony Jennings

909
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: is also in the same contract here that Joshi is,

910
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: So they have a future need at edge. And I

911
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: think my take on this might surprise some people because

912
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: I've been so in on receivers and things like that,

913
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: But I actually believe that it would be a shrewd

914
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: pick to take one of these edge rushers and look

915
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: into the future, because you are getting a better player,

916
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: Like you're just getting a higher rated player in a

917
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: Van Ness or Nolan Smith or Tyree Wilson than what

918
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: Zave Flowers is today or what Jordan Addison is to

919
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: tackle that I guess is maybe a little bit different.

920
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: I just I personally wouldn't knock them for taking the

921
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: edge rusher because A, I don't think you need pass

922
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: rush in this league. That's that's very key. And some

923
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: of these guys, now, Nolan Smith, I think, is got

924
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: to play the Joshu j Roll. I don't think Nolan

925
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: Smith can kick inside or do it because he's only

926
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty pounds. But a guy like Tyree

927
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: Wilson or a guy like Lucas van Ness has some

928
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: flexibility that in twenty twenty three you could have Judon Barmore,

929
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson, and josh Uche coming after quarterbacks like that's

930
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: a freaking monster, right, so and Tetrich wise I think

931
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: can throw in there as well. But Wilson, let's start

932
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: with him. The reason why Wilson's in this conversation because

933
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: on film he's a top ten player of the draft. Yeah,

934
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 1: but he is not bendy. He's not super explosive off

935
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: the ball. He doesn't have that von Miller skill set

936
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: of first step quickness and bend to turn the corner.

937
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: He is a brute force power player. He's somebody that

938
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: it looks like a man amongst boys at Texas Tech

939
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: and is just pushing people around all the time. That

940
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: skill set sometimes doesn't always translate one hundred percent to

941
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: the league because everybody's strong in the NFL, so you're

942
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: not just gonna rag doll everybody all the time, like

943
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: he did at Texas Tech, but he has dominant, dominant,

944
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: dominant film and I think that he's one of those

945
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: guys again that can be at three four end because

946
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: of his power in length, or he can stand up

947
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: and play as an outside linebacker in their system too,

948
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: so there's flexibility there to get him on the field.

949
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: It would clearly be one of those situations where not

950
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: only are they looking ahead to the need in twenty

951
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: twenty four, but he's also the best player available on

952
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: their board. So how would you feel, just in general

953
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: about the edges and about the guys they met with.

954
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: I wouldn't love it, because again I think you need

955
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: to focus on twenty twenty three. YEA. And to me,

956
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: that's again, if one of those tackles is there, I

957
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: think you got to take a tackle. I agree with you.

958
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: I'd probably still go edge over receiver corner. So so

959
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: to me, it would be like, give me a tackle,

960
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: then give me a corner, then give me an edge,

961
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: then give me a receiver. But I also think there's

962
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: some guys later on in this draft in the second

963
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: round Uzoma at a bare Ojulari, in the third round,

964
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: Zach Harris and Byron Young that make a lot of

965
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: sense for them. That especially Gallarin Young makes all the

966
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,240
Speaker 1: sense of the world because he's like twenty nine five

967
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: team captain, highly productive in the SEC, can play right

968
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: away like high floor, Like that's the guy if they're

969
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: gonna if they want to do edge Byron Young, it's

970
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: seventy six printed, yeah, like that's the pick. I have

971
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: a couple of theories on why they're meeting with these guys,

972
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: one from our standpoint, the media standpoint, and I don't

973
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: know how teams have it on their boards. Tybree Wilson

974
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: Lucas van Ness are both overrated. I don't think either

975
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: one goes as high as we're projecting them to. Wilson

976
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: has his limitations, like you said, with his athleticism yea,

977
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: and Vaness is a third, third down player. So Vaness

978
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: reminds me so much of George Coloftus, who the media loved.

979
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 1: I think Karloftus is much stronger, but yeah, the media

980
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: loved Karloftus last year. And then the Chiefs got him

981
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: in the end of the first round nine right because

982
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: they took McDuffie with the Patriot right pig. And then

983
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: I think they got him right before then, so van

984
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: Ness is very powerful. I mean his nickname's Hercules. He

985
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: lives up to it. He's strong as hell, speed to power,

986
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: he's got I would say, a very very high motor,

987
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: like he plays hot. Now, with all that being said,

988
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: he played four hundred snaps a season at Iowa, and

989
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: back to back years they didn't start him in a

990
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 1: single game. So at fourteen, I don't see fourteen because

991
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: that because you're that player. He's raw. He's got a

992
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: freakish motor and freakish play strength, and he's got speed

993
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: to power and all those types of things. But he

994
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: doesn't find the ball well against the run. He's got

995
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: to work on his instincts in his block shedding against

996
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: the run. And he really doesn't have another move besides

997
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: the bull rush right and he'll develop one like over time,

998
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: like they'll get him, but they don't have that time

999
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: to have a secondary move, but he doesn't have one

1000
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: right now. So I think they're just doing their due

1001
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: diligence on those guys who are gonna fall to fourteen.

1002
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: Murphy I think is more realistic. He's their kind of player.

1003
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: I don't like Murphy, No, he not at fourteen. Okay,

1004
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: that's I don't either the one guy I like for

1005
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: them at fourteen, And I've said this, if they're there

1006
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: and Christian Zalis has gone, Devin Witherspoon's gone, Paris Johnson's gone,

1007
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: Brodrick Jones has gone, right, and they can't trade the pick. Yeah,

1008
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: you're not gonna hang your head walking away with Nolan Smith.

1009
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: Maybe that's not the player you wanted ultimately, but he's

1010
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: the break glass in case of emergency. We got the

1011
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: worst possible board pick. Yeah, I do think there is

1012
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: also though an element of Tyree Wilson went to Texas Tech.

1013
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: Anton Harrison is a top tackle in this draft, went

1014
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: to Oklahoma. That's the big twelve. Lucas van Ness played

1015
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: against Paris Johnson and Scronsky and bullied them. By the

1016
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: way Nolan Smith played against Roderick Jones. Darnel Right, they

1017
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: might be doing a little opposition research here. They might

1018
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: be bringing these guys in to so it's not smokescreen,

1019
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't be surprised that they're talking to these guys,

1020
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: say Hey, what it like facing him? Yeah? What was

1021
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: who was the toughest tackle you fus That's always a

1022
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: combined question and you hear God, you hear guys say this.

1023
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna scout players better than the guys who were

1024
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball. Yeah, that's a

1025
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: really great serie. You know, it kind of lines up

1026
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: and like you said, we don't necessarily have an official

1027
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: meeting on the books with Miles Murphy. Yeah. What's the

1028
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: conference that doesn't have any of the top tackles the

1029
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: ACC Yeah, Clemson. Yeah, Miles Murphy. I think what worries

1030
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: about me, it worries me about him is that he

1031
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't ever dominate, Like he's never There's not a

1032
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: lot of film out there of him just like taking

1033
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: over a game or him just having ridiculous tape. It

1034
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: just seems like he just is fine at everything, but

1035
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: he's not dominant or great at one individual thing. I

1036
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 1: am very concerned for the team that drafts Miles Murphy

1037
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: that he's Clelin Farrell two point zero, Very very concerned

1038
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: about that. Now. I don't think that he will be drafted.

1039
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: The Raiders drafted Cleaillon Farrell way too high. So if

1040
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: you get Miles Murphy at the end of the first

1041
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: round or in the twenties and he ends up being

1042
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: Clill and Farrell like, then, okay, fine, you got a

1043
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: fine player at the end of the first round, But

1044
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: in fourteen, I want to see a player that's a

1045
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: little bit more dynamic, a little bit more of a

1046
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: game changer, especially if they're gonna draft at a lower

1047
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: position of need. Right, it's not like it's an immediate need.

1048
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: Tyler Stein was the last top thirty, which is probably

1049
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: the worst kept secret of the Patriots draft, as they

1050
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: might actually take somebody from Alabama this cycle, especially the

1051
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 1: Alabama offense. So Alabama's left tackled just last year, transferred

1052
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: in from Vanderbilt. Really savvy, sound player on film. I

1053
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: think he's a perfect like third or fourth round pick

1054
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: for the Patriots. I wouldn't necessarily take him higher than that.

1055
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily put all of my eggs in the

1056
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: tyler Stein basket either. Maybe it's a double dip or

1057
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: it's a hedge of somebody else. But he's just a solid, sound,

1058
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: sturdy based type of player that isn't gonna get totally

1059
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: burned out there. Those guys are nice to have on

1060
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: the offense. You're worried about the arm length, though, I

1061
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: worry about it a little bit because I think certain

1062
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: guys like Felix for example from Kansas State Osama, he

1063
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: was able to get into him a little bit. That's

1064
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: the biggest thing with arm length that I think you

1065
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: have to look at is and you we'll talk about

1066
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: a guy with arm length here in a second do

1067
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: they does the arm length prevent them from getting first

1068
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: initial contact and doesn't affect them with the bull rushers

1069
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: to the power guys because the power guys are trying

1070
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: to get inside hands and if you have shorter arms

1071
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: that you can't establish that first contact, you're giving up

1072
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: your chest a lot. And how do you recover when

1073
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: you're not the one that's getting hands on first. I

1074
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: think Steen has decent anchor and recovery ability. But Felix

1075
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: was one guy that did give him some trouble there

1076
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: and the Sugar Bowl he was able to push him

1077
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: back a few times. So a little bit concerned. But

1078
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: I think with Steen, if you're drafting him in the

1079
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: third or the fourth round, whether he plays tackle for you,

1080
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,959
Speaker 1: he's basically a guy that can play four different people.

1081
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: That's the thing too. I think best case scenario you

1082
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: have here, he's probably a right tackle in the NFL. Right,

1083
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: I think, best case scenario, you have your right tackle.

1084
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: Worst case scenario, you have a right guard Michael and

1085
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: when who's on an expiring contract, a top swing player

1086
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: that can play four different spots, and you know he

1087
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: ends up playing one of those high end backup type

1088
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: of players right, which in the third round is fine.

1089
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: Now I assume you're hinting at Peter Scronski there. I was.

1090
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: If he ends up being a guard, and if he

1091
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 1: ends up being guard, he's gonna be a left guard.

1092
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: Now you've taken left guards in the first round and

1093
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: back to back years. Yeah, that's not great. Third rounds

1094
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: a little different. All right, we're gonna do that in

1095
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: a second. Let's get to Tyler and Maryland and then

1096
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: we'll transition here. What's up, Tyler? What's going on? Guys? Hey? Um,

1097
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: I just had a quick question to this silly season. Um,

1098
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: would you rather trade for Jared Duty or trade for

1099
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: Devin White? If you had the choice? Um, I would

1100
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: go with Devin White just because you can help him fly. Um,

1101
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: all right, he's breaking up there, But Jerry Judy, thanks

1102
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: for the call of Tyler. Your phone was breaking up there.

1103
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: But we got the general yeah, Devin White. We were

1104
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: taking Devin White over Jerry Judy. I'm not no, I

1105
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: don't know. No, Devin White is a really overrated players.

1106
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: Do I want a linebacker and get back? Do you

1107
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: want a linebacker receiver? We want a receiver that one

1108
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: Devin White bother. Devin White is one of those guys

1109
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: that And I'm not picking on Tyler. I'm just saying

1110
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: Devin White is one of those guys that has a

1111
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: great highlight reel but doesn't have great film. Okay, he's

1112
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: got some really flashy plays, don't get me wrong, But

1113
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: in terms of consistency and when you actually watch the

1114
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: tape on him, there are teams that attack Devin White. Yeah,

1115
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: especially in the misdirection in the passing game. I play

1116
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: action and boot and stuff like that, because he just

1117
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: he's plays with his hair on fire and he just

1118
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: wants to see ball, get ball. And if you can

1119
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: manipulate his eyes, he's just out of it. I just

1120
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: think you're making it more complicated than it needs to be.

1121
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: Give me the wide receiver before we get to tackles. Guy.

1122
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: Do one more Top thirty meeting they had. I meant

1123
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: to bring this up with the pass catcher. Yeah, Michael Wilson,

1124
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, No, I didn't. I purposely didn't want

1125
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: to bring this up. Why because it's everybody thinks he's

1126
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: like the greatest thing ever, and so it's dumb. We

1127
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: know it's dumb. Season ending foot injury in twenty twenty

1128
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: cost and part of the twenty twenty one undisclosed injury

1129
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: last year, which scares me. You don't know, and normally

1130
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: they come out. Zach cootsaid undisclosed injuries no longer undisclosed.

1131
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 1: He dislocated his kneecap. He's been cleared. Yeah, he does

1132
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: have some physical talent, right, he didn't testable to combine,

1133
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: but I think he does have some physical talent. If

1134
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna take him with one of those fourth round

1135
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: picks after already adding a pass catcher in the first round,

1136
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: yeah fine, yeah, fine. It's a good flyer. If he's

1137
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: the double dips, if he's the second half the double dip,

1138
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: you take a flyer in him. Fine. If they're gonna

1139
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: take him like forty six or seventy six, and he's

1140
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: supposed to be the guy that fixes the offense. Thirty

1141
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: did that. His name was Malcolm Mitchell unfortunately didn't work out, Like,

1142
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,959
Speaker 1: you can't count on that guy to be here. He's

1143
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: not as explosive in a straight line as Malcolm Mitchell was.

1144
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: But his background is Malcolm Mitchell, right, and everybody goes, well,

1145
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: they found Malcolm Mitchell in the fourth round. He just

1146
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: got hurt. If they can find that guy again. No,

1147
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: that's not what they did. Malcolm Mitchell was a first

1148
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: round talent, right. Everybody knew he was a first round talent. Yes,

1149
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: but nobody took him in the first round because they

1150
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: knew he wasn't gonna have a long career. He got

1151
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: to the fourth and Patriot said, at this point, whatever, right, right,

1152
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: that's what you're not finding, Malcolm Mitchell but healthy because

1153
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: that guy that doesn't make sense. It's not first round pick,

1154
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: right exactly. Malcolm Mitchell but Healthy is a first round pick.

1155
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: So everybody thinks that that Michael Wilson is this like

1156
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: magic basically what I thought Kashawn Boutet was at the

1157
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: beginning of the process before I was proven very wrong. Yeah, no,

1158
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: he's not like, oh, he's a first round talent, but

1159
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: he's there in the fourth round. Well, yeah, because he

1160
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: gets hurt all the time. Yeah, he's he's quicker than

1161
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: he is fast. I'll give him that, right. Like, in

1162
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: terms of being able to separate the line of scrimmage,

1163
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it necessarily translate at the top of

1164
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: the round as much as it translated at the long scrimmage.

1165
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: He's very good at beating press coverage and he showed

1166
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: that at the Senior Bowl especially really shifty, understands angles,

1167
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: how to attack leverage, like all that type of stuff.

1168
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: And he's got a decent vertical element to his game

1169
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: to win at the catch point down the field. But

1170
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: he's somebody that like for all the reasons that you

1171
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: said degree very scary injury history one and two, he

1172
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: cannot be your your receiver pick. Like he's got to

1173
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: be this the double dip, he's got to be the

1174
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: second half of it, and he's got to be a

1175
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: flyer on a high upside injury prone player. Let's get

1176
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: into the next part here. We wanted to do a

1177
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: my Guys segment. This is the guys that we will

1178
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: go in and pound the table for the Patriots draft room.

1179
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: Now just kidding. They don't invite us into the Patriots

1180
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: draft room unfortunately, but we're gonna pound the table for

1181
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: a couple of guys we don't want to pound. I

1182
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: don't know how you necessarily. I thought we were like

1183
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: trying to avoid like top fifty years. Okay, I'm glad

1184
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: we're on the same patriot we tried to avoid top

1185
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: fifty Todd. You know, I'm not going to pound the

1186
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: table for Za Flowers again. I've already done it enough.

1187
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: I did Darnel Washington, I did that bit today. Yeah,

1188
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: we've We've done all those players. Oh I did actually

1189
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,479
Speaker 1: mention one of these guys already. There is one guy

1190
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: that I want to pound the table for that is

1191
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: a first round pick, but I'll get to him last.

1192
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: So I'll just give my takes on on my first

1193
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: two guys and then the last one, and then you

1194
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: can do your list. Charlie Jones A good play pounding

1195
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: the table for Charlie Jones. We are at the point

1196
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: where Evan Lazarre is pounding the table for Charlie Jones.

1197
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: This is a wonderful thing. I am pounding the table

1198
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: for Charlie Jones. I think that everybody we do this

1199
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:41,439
Speaker 1: with one player every draft, where the media, the league,

1200
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: everyone always overthinks when I say one player I want

1201
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: to specifically save receivers. Yeah, there's always one receiver that falls,

1202
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: and not because of the Michael Wilson reasons, but like

1203
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: a clean prospect that falls to like the third or

1204
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: fourth round Terry McLaurin. Cooper Cup. Like, there's always one

1205
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: of those guys. And I believe that Charlie Jones from

1206
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: Purdue is that guy in this draft. Excellent production last

1207
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: year at Purdue, excellent combine, one of the most efficient

1208
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: and technically sound route runners in the draft. An underrated

1209
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: catchpoint guy, like an underrated contested catch guy. I would say,

1210
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: that's not really what I want him doing to make

1211
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: a living, but I think that he's got strong hands

1212
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: and that ability to catch balls in traffic, kind of

1213
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: like Jacobe Myers did when I latch him play. I

1214
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: look at a guy that is Jacoby Myers, but with

1215
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: like a four four three right, And why would anybody

1216
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: you know put their nose up to that right? Like,

1217
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't understand why that would ever be a bad

1218
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: thing in anyone's eyes. If there's a guy in this

1219
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: draft that has a chance to be the Cooper Cup, Yeah,

1220
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: this group, it's Charlie jo So let me ask you this.

1221
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: You said you think Charlie Jones was slept on. Yes,

1222
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: because I went back and found this. I texted you

1223
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: a scouting reporter on Charlie Jones back in December January

1224
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: during the Big Ten Championship. Ye, I think he's rewritten

1225
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: the book on him in this pre draft process. So

1226
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you thing. I'm gonna give you some

1227
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: notes from Charlie Jones. This is Charlie Jones back in December.

1228
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: I would transfer savvy and smart playmaker Charlie Jones. Understanding

1229
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: of pre snap leverage allows him to move defensive backs

1230
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: off their spot, creating easier access to desired route path,

1231
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: quick footed release to win the leverage battle, good spatial

1232
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: awareness finding spots in his zone coverage. In terms of

1233
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: tracking the football, Jones is confident and extends to maximize

1234
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: his catch radius when necessary. He's been a reliable contested

1235
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: catch target, kick returner, punt returner. The cons were not

1236
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: an explosive or dynamic athlete. Lack of explosiveness limits his

1237
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: ability to win on the perimeter down the field. The

1238
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: big questions about whether he can handle perimeter snaps full

1239
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: time in the league. That so that's basically it. I

1240
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: think he's done a lot to diminish the concern about

1241
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: the explosiveness. Yeah, I think that he's not somebody that

1242
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: is necessarily a burner that's gonna win over the top.

1243
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: I do agree with that. He's not a vertical threat.

1244
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: He's not a tone threat. But he does do really

1245
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: really well. And I just looked it up. His ten

1246
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: yards split is in the eightieth percentile. He comes off

1247
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage in the first ten yards really

1248
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: really fast, and that allows him to open guys up,

1249
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: which then allows him to make cuts. Right, So he's

1250
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: gonna be an intermediate possession type of receiver. I think

1251
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: a decent comparison because I don't want to compare him

1252
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,959
Speaker 1: to Cooper Cup because that's complete Cup. I don't mind

1253
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: Adam feeling No. I honestly, I think to come back

1254
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,439
Speaker 1: in December was Jacoby Myers. I mean it was clear

1255
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: as day Jacobe Myners. I think Jacoby Myers, but more explosive.

1256
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: Is explosive Jacoby is the answer? Yeah? Faster Jacoby. Yeah?

1257
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: All right. By the way, you did not like him

1258
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Speaker 1: back in December for the records that's why I didn't

1259
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: know he's going to run a four or four three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So there you go, all right. The second one,

1261
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Speaker 1: we talked about him briefly, so I won't talk about

1262
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: him too long. Sam Laporta. I'm gonna pound the table

1263
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: for Sam laporter till the days of old I have Alex.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna, We're gonna, I'm hoping next week it's gonna

1265
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: come out, Patriot's Draft guide coming out. Usually I do

1266
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: it in spread a spreadsheet, but we got all fancy

1267
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: with it, thanks to web master Chris forgetting all fancy

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01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: with it and putting it all together for me. So

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01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: that's more of like a PDF draft guidestyle. I have

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Speaker 1: Sam Laporta ahead of Dalton Kinkaid. That's how much I

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01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: believe in Sam Laporta. Not only does he have the

1272
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: measurements in the athletic ability and all that kind of stuff.

1273
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: When you watch this guy run rauts, he is extremely

1274
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: quick at the top of the route, great with the

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01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: football on his hands, explosive, explosive athlete. I just feel

1276
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: like he is what everybody thinks Dalton Kincaid is, and

1277
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: I would take Sam Laporta over Dalton Kinkaid. He's one

1278
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,919
Speaker 1: of my guys in this draft and then the last one.

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01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to continue to vouch for Scronsky. I understand

1280
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: that he's got short arms. I understand that people are

1281
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: concerned about that. Is it my favorite first round pick

1282
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: for them? No? But mainly the reason why it's not

1283
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: my favorite first round pick for them, Alex is because

1284
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to answer questions about his

1285
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: arm length for the next six months. Right, Oh, you're

1286
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: gonna have to. It's nothing to do with the player.

1287
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: I just I just know that everybody's gonna call into

1288
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: all of our shows and be like I drafted the

1289
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: under it's Isaiah win two point zero, and they're all

1290
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:12,919
Speaker 1: gonna think it was their take there too. They're gonna

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01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: be like I heard from my buddy, his arms are short,

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01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: he's got dinosaur arms whatever. I don't necessarily see Scronsky's

1293
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: arm length on film like tangible evidence of it being

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01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: a major issue for him. He's so the way I've

1295
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: kind of explained Peter Scronsky to people, there's only been

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01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: two tackles in the last ten years that were drafted

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01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: in the first round with less than thirty inch arms.

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01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: One of them, Justin Pugh became a guard two years later. Yeah. Right,

1299
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: Yet here we are, Peter Scronsky is still considered a

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01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: first round pick. Even with whatever, it's twenty nine, a

1301
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: quarter twenty nine, he's got, you meant, I think thirty

1302
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: three is the thirty three two or something like, okay, whatever,

1303
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: he is less than an inch off. Yeah, but there's

1304
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: a lot of guys like that's clearly the cut off

1305
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: two guys in ten years. Yeah, we're still sitting here

1306
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: talking about him as the first pick, as a top

1307
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: twenty pick. Prior to the arm length thing, he was

1308
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: the consensus number one tackling. There was no discussion. Right.

1309
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: The top tier right now is Scronsky, Paris Johnson, Brodrick Jones.

1310
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: Before the combine, it was Scronsky that was the top tier,

1311
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: then Paris Johnson and Brodrick Jones. Yeah, that all should

1312
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: tell you this guy is so tremendously skilled technically and

1313
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: physically talented that maybe you don't love that his arms

1314
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: aren't thirty three inches, but if anybody is going to

1315
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: make it work with thirty two and an eighth inch arms,

1316
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: it's this guy. Yeah, right, I don't think that He's

1317
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: quite as athletic as Rashon Slater, but Rashaan Slater is

1318
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: the recent success story. He was thirty three cut off

1319
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: was under thirty three. Matt Light was a little bit

1320
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: over thirty three, but still so back in the day,

1321
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: the threshold used to be thirty four. Right then it

1322
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: was some guys like Rashaan Slater, Matthew matt Light, you know,

1323
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: those types of guys made it like thirty three right right,

1324
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: So at Light is the cop that I have for

1325
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: him right now. It's not perfect because matt Light's arms

1326
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: were maybe an inch longer, but like we're literally an inch. Well,

1327
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: it's also tough. This is how much we're talking about again,

1328
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: It's tough what people are getting because there's two guys

1329
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: in the last ten years, once Justin Pugh who became

1330
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: the guard. The other's Kayla McGarry who's always been a

1331
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: right tackle right and Scronsky's not. You're drafting Scronsky play

1332
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: left tackle. Yes, you're not putting him at right down.

1333
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: I just think that you mentioned the technically sound yeah

1334
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: evidence on the film with him. I also think that

1335
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: he's got great, great feed and first step explosive. This

1336
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: off the line is awesome, and ability to climb and

1337
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: make blocks on the move is fantastic. Just the way

1338
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: that he plays the position, it just looks like he's

1339
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: been playing offensive line for his whole life, and he

1340
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: just looks the part. He understands where he's supposed to

1341
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: put his hat in his hands and his feet, and

1342
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,919
Speaker 1: where the angles are and the leverages, and like all

1343
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 1: of these little intricacies of offensive line play. He just

1344
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: does all of it so like a season's vet when

1345
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: you watch him play. You know, the guys that you

1346
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: watch in the league that I sometimes I'll go back and,

1347
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, watch some film on some of the top

1348
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: guys in the league, just to remind myself of what

1349
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: it looks like at the top, right, you know, this

1350
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: is what it's supposed to look like. And so many

1351
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: of those great technicians in the league do the same

1352
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: little intricacy type of things as Konsky. If they drive

1353
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: Skronsky in the first round, I'm gonna be perfectly fine

1354
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: with it, but I'm gonna be annoyed because of what

1355
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to deal with people. Yeah, that's that's fair,

1356
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: all right here, You're all right, I know everybody thinks

1357
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about Zach Coons and Bryce Ford

1358
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: Wheaton and Julius Brents and Jake Mooney. I'm actually gonna

1359
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: try to. I wanted some guys that, yeah, we haven't

1360
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: talked about a lot, or haven't been talked about a lot,

1361
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: and probably should be talked a lot about more, especially

1362
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: in regards of Patriots. One of them we already kind

1363
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: discussed Byron Young, defensive end from Tennessee, was a two

1364
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: year JUCO player. Was the number nine Duco recruit in

1365
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: the country. Went to Tennessee, two year starter, incredibly productive

1366
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: team captain. It's a guy that worked I think in

1367
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: a supermarket or a restaurant for like a couple of

1368
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 1: years out of high school. It took some time off right,

1369
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: loves the game, like just wanted to get back to

1370
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: the game now here. He is twenty five Patriots of

1371
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: the oldest average draft class since twenty seventeen. Big time

1372
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: player in SEC school. He's probably more of a strong

1373
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: side guy. He's more of a guy who's gonna hold

1374
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,719
Speaker 1: the edge and push the pocket than like get after

1375
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 1: the passer. I think more Anthony Jennings than Josh Ucha.

1376
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: But they need that guy. Yeah, they need that guy.

1377
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: He's gonna be there in the third round. They've been

1378
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: a little bit reluctant to put jude On in that

1379
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: role just because they want jude On to make plays

1380
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: right exactly, He's the perfect guy to play opposite jude On.

1381
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: Although there's another Byron Young, also from the SEC, also

1382
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: in the front seven, is supposed to go in the

1383
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: same range in the drafts. You gotta be from Alabama's

1384
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle, also could be a Patriot. I don't

1385
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: love him as much, but you gotta be very you

1386
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 1: gotta be very clear when you hand that draft guard

1387
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: who you're drafting another one, Evan, I have you watched

1388
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: this guy? I have bugged you about this guy for

1389
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: three weeks and I know who it isn't no the

1390
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: old Can you please watch The only reason I can

1391
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: think of that he's not getting talked about in relation

1392
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: to the Patriots is because Bill Belichick in twenty three years,

1393
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: has never drafted a player from the University of Pittsburgh,

1394
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 1: the last Pitt Panther to be drafted by the Patriots.

1395
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: They've had other guys at free agents. The last Pitt

1396
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: Panther to be drafted by the Patriots. You know Curtis Martin.

1397
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 1: Curtis Martin thought it was Curtis Martin. I feel like

1398
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 1: I saw that when I was looking it up. Well,

1399
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: you were like so thrown back by that. I want

1400
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,799
Speaker 1: to make sure. Yeah it was Curtis Martin. Okay. Anyway,

1401
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: Servassier Dennis we talk about and we wanted them to

1402
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: draft that hybrid linebacker, safety, three down east West coverage

1403
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: player and they still haven't done it. But all of

1404
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: those he's he's got the his athleticisms great, crushed the

1405
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: Combine Rose. He did play lacrosse in high school. He

1406
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:58,480
Speaker 1: also that what's that new test that replaced the Wonders too. Yeah,

1407
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: he had the highest score of any player draft. It's

1408
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: basically it's like playing Madden's you would love it's he

1409
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:07,839
Speaker 1: had not I don't mameter if it was of any linebacker,

1410
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: if he tied for any player and O Bryce Young

1411
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: got in ninety eight. But um Servis adn is incredibly

1412
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: high score on the S two. Was a team captain.

1413
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: He can play in the box, he can rush the passer,

1414
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 1: he can cover tight ends, he can cover running backs,

1415
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: he can cover slot receivers. He can play a little

1416
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 1: bit of deep safety. He's great against the run. He's

1417
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: incredibly physical. I think the reason's going later. He's small.

1418
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 1: I think he's like, not small, he's small. Or is

1419
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: he like a Landon Roberts or is he like he's

1420
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 1: a land In Roberts small. He's over six feet, yeah,

1421
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: because Roberts was what like six one Vassie two thirty. Yeah.

1422
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: I think that's a bad way the Landin was coming in.

1423
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't understand why he's projected to go as low

1424
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: as he is, which is middle of day three, late

1425
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: day three. I don't understand why he's projected to go

1426
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: that low overall, especially a week linebacker class. I think

1427
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: that some of it stems from the linebacker being devalued

1428
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: in that skill set, but even even relative to other linebackers,

1429
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Now, Look, we kind of you talked

1430
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: about earlier with Devin White. I think there is an

1431
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: overaggressiveness to his game. If there's a knock to me,

1432
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 1: it's that he gets caught out of position at times,

1433
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: not because he doesn't know what he's doing, but his

1434
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:21,919
Speaker 1: instincts just trigger. But you can coach that right. I

1435
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: would love to see what he looks like. If he

1436
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 1: gets a year to work with your ode Mayo, I

1437
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: think he could be a special play. What was like,

1438
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 1: this is a lofty comp. This maybe like the ceiling comp.

1439
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll be this player. But player type

1440
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 1: wasn't Fred Warner like a third round pick? Here's a

1441
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: third round pick. But yeah, Fred Warner was a third

1442
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: round pick. I would We talked about this earlier actually

1443
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: on one of our draft pre yeah shows. I think

1444
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: Fred Warner was a third round pick because the league

1445
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: wasn't ready for Fred Warner yet. Okay, if Fred Warner

1446
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: was in the draft now, I think he'd be a

1447
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: first round pick. But because it was just enough time

1448
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 1: ago that like that hybrid safety line undersize guy was

1449
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: still a little bit of I don't know, I just

1450
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,759
Speaker 1: they weren't there yet as a as a league. Yeah.

1451
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 1: So again, I just think he's slept on player in

1452
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 1: this draft. I really like him. So I thought about

1453
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: going with Ronnie Hickman from Ohio State, but we've talked

1454
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 1: about him. Michael Jefferson was a guy that fit this

1455
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: category from the Unfortunately he got in a car accident

1456
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: the other day. So yeah, I just wanted to use

1457
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: this day. I hope he's doing okay, and a guy

1458
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: that it was great talk to me the Trian bow

1459
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 1: and I think Ken play in this league. I hope

1460
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 1: he gets back. I thought about Holton Ayler's the quarterback

1461
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: from Central from Eastern Carolina, just to kind of just

1462
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: to needle you a little bit. I want he's gonna

1463
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: be here. He's gonna be u DFA. Max Melton from

1464
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: Rutgers a corner. He's gonna be here. He's a u

1465
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 1: DFA block three punts last year alone. Yeah, Yeah, it's

1466
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: gonna be u DFA Max Melton Patriots block three punts

1467
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: last year. The real guy I'm gonna go with, not

1468
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 1: even because I think I want them to take him,

1469
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: but we've been doing so much. Evan on the pass

1470
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 1: catching backs, right, Douce Vaughan, Eric Gray, Evan Hall, Oh,

1471
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: they're gonna take a pass catcher. They're gonna take a

1472
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: pass catcher they don't trust. Pierre Strong, Chris Rodriguez from

1473
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 1: Kentucky Goods would be because last year we were all

1474
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: on them taking a big back, right, and they took

1475
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: a pass catch. I mean they took a big back too,

1476
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 1: but their big running back pick was Pierre Strong, the

1477
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 1: pass catcher. Yeah, I think they still believe in in

1478
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: Pierre Strong. But do they trust Kevin Harris? Damon Harris

1479
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 1: has gone Chris Rodriguez six foot two, twenty He's a bowling,

1480
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 1: bowling ball back. Just who's the back from UAB, similar,

1481
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 1: similar player, So I it's it's Dwayne McBride. Dwayne McBride.

1482
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 1: I could totally see them taking Dwayne McBride. My kind

1483
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 1: of weird comp for him, You know how I do

1484
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: these weird comps, like I compared Dwan Jones to to

1485
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: Req Woling. Yeah, Dwayne McBride is the Bailey Zappy of

1486
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: this draft as a running back in that let's be honest,

1487
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: even what a big explain it. I understand a big

1488
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: part of Bailey Zappy's draft makeup was the production. You

1489
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: look at a guy that puts up the numbers he did,

1490
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: and you think, well, there has to be something there. Yeah, right,

1491
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 1: Dwayne McBride put up insane numbers at UAB the last

1492
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: two years. Watching it. What conference is that us? Yes,

1493
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 1: watching him, watching CUSA people trying to tackle Dwayne McBride's

1494
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: hilarious hilarious Yeah, It's like when JV goes up against varsity.

1495
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: He was the leading right he ran for I think

1496
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: it's twenty one hundred yards last year. That was second

1497
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: in the nation, but first was the running back from

1498
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: Air Force. That doesn't count. They don't throw the ball.

1499
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 1: And he led with twenty touchdowns. Like the productions insane.

1500
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 1: He's gonna be early day three if they wait until

1501
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,560
Speaker 1: late day three. Rodriguez was the SEC's leading rusher in

1502
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. They also drafted the SEC's leading rusher

1503
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty and Kevin Harris thirteen hundred yards thirteen

1504
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: touchdowns was limited a bit by an injury last year.

1505
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: But you know who was injured? Who was limited by

1506
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: an injury a year after leading the SEC in rushing,

1507
01:15:55,640 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 1: Kevin Harris. They need that big goal line show yards

1508
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: back to replace David Harrison. Guy that no, but you

1509
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: can't have Vermondra with a seventy percent used to trade anymore.

1510
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: That's why should draft dudes Vaughn or Eric Gray or

1511
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 1: you let Vermandre eat on passing downs. And when you

1512
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: just have to pound at home at the goal line,

1513
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: who are you gonna let take those hits? Chris Rodriguez.

1514
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 1: He also doesn't fumble, so there's that that's big. Can't

1515
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: fumble all right, two time team captain as well. Those

1516
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 1: my guys were very very fitting. Mine were like my guys,

1517
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 1: but top one hundreds were the guy also pretty consensus players.

1518
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: Yours were Servasio, Dennis and some guy named Watch Servassier Dennis.

1519
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna like him. Yours were the guys you want

1520
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: them to take. Mine was okay, one guy want them

1521
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: to take Dennis, but the other two were guys that

1522
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: I regardless if I want them to take or not,

1523
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna take. If they draft Servasio Dennis, I'm never

1524
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: going to hear the end of it. That's all nobody.

1525
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: I have not seen one person. It's not just you.

1526
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 1: Sometimes there's guys that like get hyped up to the

1527
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: Patriots and you're annoyed by it. But it's like a

1528
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: like dolphinkin Kate, not that I'm in onon Kincade. Yeah,

1529
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: I have seen no mocks, no nothing. I feel like

1530
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm missing something. I go back and rewatch because I'm like,

1531
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: what is here that clearly has everybody else so turned

1532
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 1: off or they just haven't seen him. But I think

1533
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: he's just flying under the radar. I think he's flying

1534
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 1: under the radar. He's not. Can you please watch when

1535
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 1: I tell you I'm fine. I have some free time

1536
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 1: now because the hay is basically in the barn on

1537
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: the top of the draft. So Servasio, Dennis, I have

1538
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: guarantee you that if he can play, the league is

1539
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: not He's not lost in the weeds for the league, right.

1540
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 1: Tariq woll And went in the fifth round, fourth round?

1541
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: It was it the fifth It is the fourth round.

1542
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:35,600
Speaker 1: I think it was the fifth don't wrap up the

1543
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 1: show yet, the fourth round. Now, we got one more

1544
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: thing to do, okay, but Tariq woll And went in

1545
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: the fifth round. We did we we forgot to get

1546
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: to this last week because we got sidetracked. I want

1547
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 1: to make recency bias picks of the week. We got

1548
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: recency bias picks of the week. I think you know

1549
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: where you might know where. I'm going to try to

1550
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: remember who it is. He tellt me about something one

1551
01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:59,560
Speaker 1: last week too, and I'm trying to remember who it is.

1552
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: Maybe when you're giving your take, I'll see if I

1553
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: can find it where I wrote it down. My recency

1554
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: bias pick of the week for people that don't know,

1555
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 1: I think regular listeners of the program do know that

1556
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: I have very bad recency bias, and when I watch

1557
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: a guy on tape, I instantly fall in love with

1558
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 1: every player that I watched yesterday. That's just the way

1559
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: that this works. So the guy that I have recency

1560
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: bias for right now, Nick Saldivari, the tackle from Old Dominion. Look,

1561
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 1: I've got you in on two Old Dominion players. Look

1562
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:37,679
Speaker 1: two Old Dominion players, really really really advanced pass protector,

1563
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 1: great feet, great technical sound with his hands and leverage

1564
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 1: and footwork and landmarks and range and all that kind

1565
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 1: of stuff. He just looks apart. You put him up

1566
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: on the film, he looks apart. I watched him against

1567
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: some acc opponents because the Old Dominion level competition concerns.

1568
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 1: I know, the Virginia Tech and Virginia are not exactly

1569
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 1: Ohio State in Georgia, but I watched him against some

1570
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: better team just to see how he did holds up

1571
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 1: really well. I think the funniest thing about him on

1572
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 1: the Old Dominion line is he's just so much bigger

1573
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 1: than everybody else that you're just like, oh, so, who's

1574
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: the guy I'm supposed to be watching there. He is.

1575
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 1: You know, he's the only guy that has an NFL

1576
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,639
Speaker 1: body out of this group, so it's pretty obvious. He's

1577
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: really technically advanced as a pass protector, more of a

1578
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 1: of a positional run blocker. He's not a people mover

1579
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 1: in the run game, but he gets himself to where

1580
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 1: he needs to be walls off guys uses his good

1581
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 1: footwork can really zone block, down, block things like that

1582
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 1: on the move. I was really impressed, and I'm not

1583
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 1: saying I think people hear this and say, oh, like

1584
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 1: it's the next Col Strange. They're gonna draft him at

1585
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: twenty nine. You know, now we're gonna have a Chattanooga

1586
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:50,879
Speaker 1: lineman and then an old Dominion lineman. I don't necessarily

1587
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 1: subscribe to that. I know, Alex, you did a bunch

1588
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: of research yesterday. I think it was on how often

1589
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:59,759
Speaker 1: do they really go out of top power five schools

1590
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 1: and less than average it's less less than the average

1591
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: NFL team. I think he's probably like a third or

1592
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: fourth round pick, probably an early day Day three guy.

1593
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 1: But I'm not saying that Nick Saldivari is coming in

1594
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 1: to solve all of their problems at tackle. But I

1595
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: think he would be a really good guy to add

1596
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 1: to the room and maybe be a starter long term.

1597
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 1: Played right tackle last year, so maybe he's more of

1598
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 1: a right tackle prospect, but a really fun player to

1599
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 1: watch on tape. Do you have a recency bias guy? Yeah,

1600
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 1: so last week it would have been Byron Young kind

1601
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,600
Speaker 1: of stumbled who already talked about. Um, how much I

1602
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: want to annoy you with this, that's the question. So

1603
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: is it recency bias if it's Jordan Battle because I

1604
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: loved Jordan Battle from the beginning. I kind of forgot

1605
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: about him and just started watching him. That's recent because

1606
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: I was I said that he might push Branch. Okay,

1607
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 1: then I kind of mentioned him in passing. But now

1608
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: that I get to talk about him more. Max Melton

1609
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 1: from Rutgers Cornerback projecting Bias has projected UTFA because Evan,

1610
01:20:56,360 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: Because the guys that you're talking about I found four

1611
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 1: months ago when I was sitting there watching college game.

1612
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 1: That's like six months ago now, when I was sitting Okay,

1613
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: maybe not old Tomini, but um, who was your one

1614
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: from last week? Again? Oh? I remember? Now? So my

1615
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: one from last week is Ridley Moss, who I like, yeah,

1616
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 1: he'd been on my list. Yeah, okay, Charlie Jones. Max

1617
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: Melton has been a starting corner Rutgers for the last

1618
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 1: three years. Six one, two hundred. Didn't run at the

1619
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 1: Combine or his Pro day. But he's supposed to be

1620
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: like a mid four fours guy. Okay, I didn't run though,

1621
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 1: so he struggled. So he's very hot and cold and coverage.

1622
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 1: Like his numbers are okay, they're not great, but it's

1623
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: he has a great game, and he's an also great game,

1624
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: and he's a great game and he's bagging, and it's

1625
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: there's little like consistency there. It's not like, okay, well

1626
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 1: he's great against the bad teams and he's not good

1627
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 1: against the good teams. It's really all over the map.

1628
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 1: So when I see that, I think upside right, like

1629
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 1: maybe it's a reach, but untapped upside. But the other

1630
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 1: thing is Evan he walked three punts last year alone.

1631
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,799
Speaker 1: We gotta go at the covers kicks. He covers punts.

1632
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: Now they're going to draft him in this he went

1633
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 1: to Rutgers Max Melton, that's my recency, biased guy. Second round.

1634
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: That that laid that laid out the second. Well, okay,

1635
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: so to be fair, whenever we do this every year

1636
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: and I put out my mock drafts, I put out

1637
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 1: the big boards and this and that, and people say, oh,

1638
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 1: you don't ever know if players from Rutgers. Who are

1639
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 1: they gonna take from Rutgers. They haven't drafted a player

1640
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 1: from Rutgers in ten years. Yeah, they took three and

1641
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: two years and then they got another one as UDFA

1642
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 1: and everybody was like, oh my god, Rutgers. It was well.

1643
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 1: But but to be fair back so that's it was

1644
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 1: a Greg Siano thing. Yeah, Siano left, he's back. Now

1645
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 1: he's back, so now I think maybe they get back

1646
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 1: into it. But Bill Belichick loves to draft from Rutgers.

1647
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: This is second year that Siano has been third. So

1648
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 1: you have to keep in mind that a lot of

1649
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 1: the guys that were there when he first got right

1650
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 1: there aren't his guy. He wants the guy Bill wants

1651
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 1: the guys sianno recruited, right, which is I don't know

1652
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 1: if he recruited Melton, but he's been mostly a Ciano

1653
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,759
Speaker 1: player for three years. The Patriots only draft from Rutgers

1654
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,600
Speaker 1: might be the biggest Patriots draft myth. You know, what

1655
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 1: school they've taken more players from than Rutgers in the

1656
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 1: last ten years. Evan Alabama, Yes, but also Alabama, Michigan. Marshall, Yeah, Marshall,

1657
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: Aaron Dobson went to Aaron Dobson. There is one Marshall

1658
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: player in the draft this year. He does have a

1659
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: Patriots tie. Do you know who this is? And I might,

1660
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 1: but I don't know who you're talking. You have a guess,

1661
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: you want to guess. Corner projected seventh round u DFA.

1662
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 1: But he had a very good year last year. He

1663
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 1: ended Notre Dame's chances of going to the College Football

1664
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: Playoff with the pick six. That would be Stephen Gilmore,

1665
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: the brother of Stefan Gilmore. He's got it. It's a

1666
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 1: little bit, it's a little steff in his game as

1667
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: a u DFA. I guess, kind of same thing as Melton.

1668
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 1: There's enough there that I'm like, let's bring him a

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01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: camp and see how he does against NFL talent. I'd

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01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: be curious. Yeah, So last week mine was Riley Moss. Yeah.

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01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: I really just like the way that he He's another

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01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: kind of like a Scroonski but for corners, just somebody

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01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 1: that just always seems to be in the right plays.

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01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,759
Speaker 1: He's not the stickiest at the top of the route.

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01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 1: He does lose receivers at times at the top of

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01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:12,719
Speaker 1: the route. But I thought he did really really well

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01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 1: against Marvin Harrison junior in the reps that he lined

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01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:17,600
Speaker 1: up across from him. And he's a ball hawk. I

1679
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 1: think it had eleven career interceptions at Iowa, played over

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01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: two thousand snaps in that defense as a ton of experienced, smart,

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01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 1: savvy z own player with some ball hawking instincts. Got

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01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 1: the long speed to hang in man coverage if you

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01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 1: want to leave him on the outside. I know he

1684
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 1: had a rough Senior Bowl week. I know that he's

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01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 1: not the most Like I said, not the stickiest at

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01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,679
Speaker 1: the top of the route. If there's a guy, there's

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01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 1: two guys in this draft, and then we'll wrap. There's

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01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 1: two guys in this draft that I fully believe are

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01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: going to be players that have the projection to potentially

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01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: switch to safety. Riley Moss is one of them. I

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01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: think that he would make a really really good free

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01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 1: safety because he's rocked up ran a four four. He's

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01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 1: got the instincts to play deep deep middle. I think

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01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 1: you'd make a really, really good safety, and that would

1695
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 1: get him away from having to cover the more dynamic

1696
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:08,679
Speaker 1: route runners in man coverage. The other guy is not

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01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 1: really I didn't think I was gonna bring this guy

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01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 1: out today, But I think keiely Ringo is a better

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01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 1: safety than he is a corner too. I want to

1700
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 1: try in a corner though outside so exciting. I would

1701
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,719
Speaker 1: try keiely Ringo at corner and longer than Riley Moss. Yeah,

1702
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,719
Speaker 1: but I think Killey Ringo would be a ridiculously good safety.

1703
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 1: What about poor Faith I keep seeing her looking here? Yeah?

1704
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 1: What about Dartavis Martin or do you just think he's

1705
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:32,760
Speaker 1: a safety? No? But I'm saying as a corner, I

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01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 1: think guy that could maybe play the nickel if you

1707
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 1: needed him to play the nieddle. But I would rather

1708
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: him at free safety because he's got that laate. So

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01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 1: you think he's a safety that can move to corner

1710
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 1: compared to because I've seen him listed as both. I

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01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: think that he played technically. Yeah, I think he probably

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01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 1: played more corner at Illinois in the nickel role in

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01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:54,679
Speaker 1: the slot, but I think he's a safety in terms

1714
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 1: of what his skill set is. It's a safety skill

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01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 1: set that can play some corner. Hey to me, uh

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01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:04,640
Speaker 1: Jtavius Martin just from the way that he play is

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01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 1: not necessarily the background of the player, but just all

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01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 1: the details of him on film. He's like the closest

1719
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: thing to Devin mccordy in this draft, where he's got

1720
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 1: that than Jordan Battle, I think. So. I think he's

1721
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 1: got more arranged than Jordan Battle does all right, but

1722
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 1: he's also a better athlete, like he tested better. Yeah, yeah,

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01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 1: I could see that. I've said this all along, and

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01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I know we're going along, but I said

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01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 1: this all along that the the safety class is terrible.

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01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 1: It's not good, it's not it's terrible. Just say it's terrible. Okay,

1727
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 1: it's no, no no, no, there's Alabama, there's Illinois. That's it,

1728
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: and then there's nothing. Right, that's maybe if you want

1729
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: to talk to me, what's Jamie is it Robins? Samie

1730
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: Robinson Florida stays fine, if you want to talk to

1731
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,520
Speaker 1: me about Jamie Robinson, like we can have that conversation.

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01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 1: But like after that group, it's terrible. I'm pretty at

1733
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: that point, just like it's all u DFAs after like

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01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: those five there's guys who will be drafted. But I'm

1735
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 1: saying I tried, I tried with like Jail Skinner and

1736
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 1: Brandon Joseph. They're gonna Jil Skinner, They're gonna Cameron mcgronhim

1737
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:04,679
Speaker 1: because he got hurt. He's gonna miss the year anyways.

1738
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: Him and Andrew Voorhees from usc Antonio. Johnson is his

1739
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com comparison is Kyle Dugger, but then he

1740
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 1: bombed the combine. Is like a terrible athlete. I've seen

1741
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 1: him compared to Adrian Phillips. Yeah, I saw that one.

1742
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 1: I think the other day too. Maybe that's closer because

1743
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 1: he's not closer, but it's not dynamic of an athlete

1744
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 1: as Kyle Dugger. This safety class below you can't. It's

1745
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 1: here's the problem. I think there's some guys that have

1746
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 1: some technical skill. There's a lot of slow safeties, and

1747
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:34,680
Speaker 1: you just can't be slow and play safety. In the

1748
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: modern NFL, every single safety is four or five, right,

1749
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: and you just can't be that slow in play safety

1750
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,600
Speaker 1: because at that point, at that point, a team is

1751
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 1: gonna put a line background the field. At that point

1752
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 1: of team's gonna put a guy like ser Vassi A

1753
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:47,680
Speaker 1: Dennis on the field over you, by the way, the

1754
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 1: Washington State kid who Yeah, I looked us up. Max

1755
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 1: Melton last year against Ohio State. Hang on, why is

1756
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 1: this relevant? Because I was trying to say he's because

1757
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 1: I said he's inconsistent, people are gonna say, oh, well,

1758
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,600
Speaker 1: he sucks against the good teams. Against Ohio State. I

1759
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 1: don't know specifically he was covering, but he was credited

1760
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 1: for thirty two coverage snaps. Evan. Yeah, he allowed one

1761
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 1: catch on three targets for four yards. Good job against

1762
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: Ohio State team full of NFL receiver. Second round pick

1763
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: for the Patriots. All right, so you you have homework.

1764
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 1: You got two guys you gotta watch Servassier Dennis in

1765
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 1: Max Melton. There you go. They might not make the

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01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: Draft guide, but I'll watch them for you. I wouldn't

1767
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 1: expect you to put them in your top fifty, but

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01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 1: if you're doing like a top seventy five for Dennis

1769
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 1: one hundred for Melton. Yeah, okay, So next week we'll

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01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 1: do a standard show next Thursday, week out before the draft.

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01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:39,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna do a show during the week of the draft,

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01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 1: probably not on Thursday, though it will probably be maybe

1773
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 1: on Tuesday or Wednesday of Draft week, but we got

1774
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 1: two more shows before the draft, so we'll have all

1775
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: the preview coverage, all the latest meetings and whispers and

1776
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: rumors and stuff like that. But until then, signing off

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01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 1: for Alex Barth, I'm Evan Lazar. Thanks for watching, thanks

1778
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:01,719
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01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:05,320
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1780
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