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Speaker 1: On the beck Dol Cast, the questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: invest start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Bectel Cast. My name is Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: my name is Jamie, and we are here to talk

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Speaker 1: about the portrayal of women in movie as we do

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Speaker 1: every single every se damn week week. You're welcome every

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Speaker 1: single listeners. I today have the second day, second episode

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Speaker 1: in a row. I've elected to go for a Mike's

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Speaker 1: Harder Blood Orange. It's my new flavor. It's alcoholic tank.

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Speaker 1: Would you call it your flavor? It? I would never

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Speaker 1: say that, but as all the Mike's products are, it

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Speaker 1: is very bad. It's bad for you. When you tell

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Speaker 1: people you drink it, they think that you are a kidding.

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Speaker 1: So crack open on Mike's Harder Blood Orange today and

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Speaker 1: embarrass yourself in front of your friends and colleagues. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Becktel Cast. Yeah we um if you

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Speaker 1: are like Bechtel, what could that ever be on earth? Well,

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Speaker 1: we borrowed from the Bechtel test, which is a test

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Speaker 1: that you apply to movies or shows or whatever, anything

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Speaker 1: with characters. Yeah, and it requires that two female characters

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Speaker 1: have names, talk to each other, and their conversation cannot

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Speaker 1: the time. Do you want to demo it really quick?

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Speaker 1: I'd love to. Okay, so we're two female characters. Hey, Jamie, Hi, Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: I have a question for you. Oh for sure. I

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Speaker 1: love answering questions. Yeah, great, I love asking them. Um,

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Speaker 1: have you ever seen Star Wars A New Hope episode four? Um? No,

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen that movie. I haven't seen it before.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting because we actually we did an episode about

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Speaker 1: it about a year. Yeah, that's wild. And you, if

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Speaker 1: I recall correctly, I was also very late for that.

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Speaker 1: You were extremely late. Yes, it was forty five minutes late,

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Speaker 1: and I had not watched the movie. Yeah, and I'm

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Speaker 1: just finding this out. So can I just say, Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: here's a character who I'm always rooting for. I love

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Speaker 1: want the Matrix and I still haven't watch The Matrix.

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Speaker 1: And I would encourage our listeners to go back to

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Speaker 1: those revisit those episodes and really just see a woman

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Speaker 1: desperately trying to participate in the conversation. Well, the funniest

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Speaker 1: thing about the Star Wars episode that you did not

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Speaker 1: watch the movie for is that you reference Princess Leiah

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Speaker 1: in a number of other episodes that we've done as

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Speaker 1: if like, Wow, it's just like Princess Leiah. I was

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Speaker 1: listening to what you were saying about her. She sounds

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Speaker 1: and she seems great. She seems great. It seems like

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of fan service done. But but I

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Speaker 1: day you'll go back and I'll break the Bechdel test

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Speaker 1: now to say that Harrison Ford is our worst actor,

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Speaker 1: he's not great in this movie. But the name of

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Speaker 1: Not just like maybe he's not versatile, maybe he only

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Speaker 1: Harrison Ford. Well, without much further ado, I think we

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Speaker 1: should introduce our wonderful guests. You know him from Gilmore Guys.

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Speaker 1: to make so many Star Wars. I love this franchise.

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Speaker 1: That is my favorite one. So tell us about your

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Speaker 1: It's been several of the y and you haven't seen

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Speaker 1: There's been eight? Is eight? Correct? Well, there's also a

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Speaker 1: Luke Skywalker has vanished, and the First Order is like

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Speaker 1: character of the original trilogy. Here in the Force Awakens

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Speaker 1: we have Ray is the main character, so we have

421
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Speaker 1: a female protagonist. Still, ensemble casts are still lots of

422
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, Finns right up there among the main care

423
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: there's po Dammeron's pretty important. You know, You've got all

424
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: these other people. But Ray is the protagonist of the story.

425
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: So we get a female protagonist in a Star Wars

426
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 1: movie and she's great. Yeah, we I mean with Rogue one,

427
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: we swear to get too. In like such a small

428
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 1: span of time, have you guys already talked about the

429
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: original trilogy? I know you said you talked about we

430
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: did an episode on a New Hope. How did that unfair?

431
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 1: Because not what I mean. They're like, there's Aunt Brew

432
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: who gets murdered almost instantly, and then there's Princess Leah,

433
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,479
Speaker 1: who we said was a strong character who makes active

434
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: choices and does things in the movie, but she has

435
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: no plot, fox her over at every turn and get there,

436
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: no amen to talk to. She's captive immediately yea, yeah, yeah, yeah,

437
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: she needs to be rescued. All this stuff. So this

438
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: movie fares much better compared to the original trilogy in

439
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: terms of a female character doing things, influencing the plot,

440
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: and having it be her story, like her journey largely. Um,

441
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: there's subplots that focus around other characters. But and as

442
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: we see not to spoil anything for the last Jedi,

443
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: but like it's a continuation of sort of her journey

444
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: of like her force powers and honing them and whatnot.

445
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was so exciting for me to see

446
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: this movie for the first time and be like, holy

447
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: fucking ship. We have a female protag in a Star

448
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: Wars movie, and she is so good at what she does.

449
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: She's okay, so she's doesn't have a family. She's on

450
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: this planet Jeck who she's scavenging stuff. But she somehow

451
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: also knows how to speak B B eights Droid language.

452
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: Constantly confused about how what language be be it is

453
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: speaking how literally everyone he meets can understand it, communicate clearly.

454
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: Problem Finn cannot, but yeah, somehow can because Finn only

455
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: speaks Star It's unclear although everyone speaks English, everyone speaks

456
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: in Yeah. Yeah, I would like to argue there's all

457
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: this question about who is Ray, who are her parents?

458
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Speaker 1: Did Ada? I'm gonna go ahead and say that I

459
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: think that C three p O is raised father because

460
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: he was an interpreter. He speaks so many languages, and

461
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: she does too. She understands, she knows how to speak Wookie.

462
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: She speaks with another alien on Jack who she understands

463
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: B B eight. Somehow I think that she is part

464
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: droid and that Po is her father. When C three

465
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Speaker 1: Po makes love, Oh heaven. This goes back into a

466
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: previous discussion we've had about when beetlejuice makes love, no discussion.

467
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: Juice for sure comes scabs, But but are they wet

468
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: or dry? Is the question? Dry? Dr about this? So wait?

469
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: Interesting because I would say, like a wet deck of

470
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: cards being flipped would be the sound I have to

471
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: go home deck of cards if you put if you

472
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: dunked a deck of playing cards into a bucket of

473
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: water and then shuffled them, that would be the sound

474
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: three bolts? Does he come? Bolts? Yeah? Sure, anything to

475
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: move this conversation. I don't think three po comes. How

476
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: does he get how does he get someone pregnant? Look?

477
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: He comes in binary code somehow like a print out, Yeah,

478
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: like receipt. Basically it's like wherever his genitals are, because

479
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: there's also nothing there right Like I feel like we

480
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: would not just like the Matrix that other movie that

481
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: you didn't see, although I will say I don't think

482
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: you're missing much with the Matrix. Was my impression, does

483
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: the matrix pass test um? Kind of that was a

484
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: sort of pet Yeah, it was like a just barely

485
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: kind of thing. But anyway, okay, so I want to

486
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 1: start by talking about the scene where she and Finn

487
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: first and counter each other on Jack who. Here's what happens.

488
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: Ray gets attacked by these two guys who are trying

489
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: to steal B B eight because they're like, he's a drawing,

490
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: He's worth so many portions of muffin, blueberry muffins or

491
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: whatever they're currently muffins. I hope this entire COMMUNI is

492
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: based on Often I don't think they say they just

493
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: say quarter portions, right, But then you see her like

494
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: empty that little packet into like a little dish of

495
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: water and then it like bakes into muffins. Honestly super cool,

496
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: And I was like, how they That was a part

497
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: where I was generally like, whoa, this is a wondrous world.

498
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that was the part where I was like,

499
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: holy shit, I know, it's amazing. I love how people

500
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: talk about Jack Coo in this movie of like every

501
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: time she's like I have to get home, they're like,

502
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: but it sucks. It's just like aliens giving out pieces

503
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: of muffin. Why would you ever come back to his

504
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: space Florida? Oh yeah, it's like every time they're like,

505
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: but I'm from there, They're like, forget it, You're you left,

506
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: you don't go back. Okay. So these two guys are

507
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: trying to steal B B eight back from Ray and

508
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: she fights them off, She beats them up. She doesn't

509
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: need to be saved. She like holds her own. Then

510
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: Finn like sees this happening, and then he spots b

511
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: B eight because po dammon, had just been like, I've

512
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: got a droid. It's white and orange, is one of

513
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: a kind. And he's like, hey, that's the droid they're

514
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: looking for. And then which if you'd ever seen a

515
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: Star Wars movie, you would realize that that was a

516
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: great reference. But you had a magnet something, Yeah, we

517
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: had a refrigerator magnet that said that in my house. Cute. Okay.

518
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: There's like a little misunderstanding about like, oh did Finn

519
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: steal pose jacket? What happened? But then they clear up

520
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: this misunderstanding. Really titanic reference a jacket stealing a plot

521
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: point of can we trust this person? You stole? A jacket.

522
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: DiCaprio steals a jacket and Titanic, can we trust him?

523
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: Why do you look confused? What do you? Because I

524
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: saw Titanic one time and I think two one, and

525
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: all I remember is the scene where ship captain jumps

526
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: off and then hits his head and does a bunch

527
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: of flips. That's an iconic scene. That's one of the

528
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: most iconic scenes. I was on the verge of Tears

529
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: and that happened, and I'm just like, oh, I'm laughing now.

530
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not E. J. Smith the captain, it's

531
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: just a random guy. But yeah, that does. Yeah, Okay, again,

532
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: I saw it once. It was three hours. I was nine.

533
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: You'll have to take our word for it. For sure.

534
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: He steals a jacket, and that's supposed to be like,

535
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: can we trust Leon, added DiCaprio. He stole a jacket,

536
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: I believe it. Yeah, and Finn, and in both cases

537
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: you can trust him. He just happened to take a jacket. Yeah, absolutely,

538
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: he was cold. So okay, So Ray goes after Finn

539
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: and she's just like, what the fuck? And then the

540
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,479
Speaker 1: stormtroopers show up. Finn grabs raised hand and then they

541
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: start running and she's just like, what are you doing?

542
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: Why are you grabbing my hand? And I would like

543
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: to say that I don't think that he would have

544
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: done that if she were not a woman, if sheely

545
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: a man, he would have never liked grabbed her hand

546
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: and like run off. They would have been like, come

547
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: with me, do that right? And I wish that he had.

548
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: I wouldn't just stand with Jon again and Oscar Isaac

549
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: holding hands. That's a horny thing. The most screen cap

550
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: scene and fifteen. So then they start running off. Fans

551
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: like come on home, we got to move. And then

552
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: she's like I know how to run with that. You

553
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,719
Speaker 1: holding my hand, so she is like, don't touch me.

554
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: I can do this on my own. I love that

555
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: in the theaters just because it was like it was

556
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: such a weird thing to see him grab her hand

557
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: and then for her to immediately be like I don't

558
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: need this and then like sort of run a little

559
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: bit ahead of him. I was like that just such

560
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: a good character development because I mean't know him stranger

561
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: that yeah, And we see in movies so often where

562
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: that does happen, where a guy grabs a girl's hand

563
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: and they have to run off, and she does not

564
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: protest because she doesn't have a character probably, or my

565
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: favorite agregeous example, Brendan Fraser lunges three at you through

566
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: a cage and starts making out with you, and you

567
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: fall in love with him instantly. I haven't even seen

568
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: the mom me and I know he's feral in a

569
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: cage and makes Rachel White's fall in love with him instantly.

570
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: That's the Brendan Fraser touch. Yeah, So they're running away,

571
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: they take cover for a second, and then they have

572
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: to run again because he hears something and then he

573
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: grabs her hand again. She's like, stop taking my hand,

574
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: so she keeps protesting, and then explosion happens and he

575
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: gets knocked out, and then she shakes him awake, and

576
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: then he immediately says, are you okay? And she's just like, yeah,

577
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm sucking okay, bitch, like you're the one who passed out.

578
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: But again, I don't think he would have asked her that.

579
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: If she was a man, he would have been like,

580
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: let's go right. So then they start running again and

581
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: she's like, we gotta go to this ship, like you said.

582
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: It's worth noting that she's running ahead of him. So

583
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: she never needs at him to grab her and pull

584
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: her along. She's a faster runner. She's in the lead

585
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: for so much of this movie, and he's the one

586
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: who would like had to escape his own sort of

587
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: capture and was worried for so much and then find

588
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: this Woman's like, I have to save her, and she's like, good, yeah.

589
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: I mean, the one point of leverage he has over

590
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: her is that lie that falls apart halfway through the movie,

591
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: that he's a member of the resistance, right right. I

592
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: think that's the one thing he has. But that and

593
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: kind of falls apart in the middle of the movie anyways,

594
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: and he never really he doesn't use it to manipulate

595
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: her in in a in a in an evil way,

596
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: like in a in a nefarious way. I would say,

597
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: he's never like, oh, you shouldn't fall in love with

598
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: me because I'm a handsome resistance He's like, but he's

599
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: lying hard enough that Harrison Ford has to be like,

600
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: you're lying, bit, and that's not good. That's not a

601
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: good precedent. If Harrison Ford has to say you're doing

602
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: something wrong. Okay, I'm high, so I shouldn't know my

603
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: lines are being fed to me through an earpiece. No,

604
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: he's not Johnny dead because it's an alcoholic fucking mess.

605
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: Why this is depcast? Okay, So she's like, we gotta

606
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: outrun them, and he's like we can't. She's like, we

607
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: can't not quadrumper. And then he's like, we need a

608
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: pilot and she's like, we've got one. He's like you,

609
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: he assumes that she's not a pilot, probably because she's

610
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: a woman. I'm gonna make the guess that happens a

611
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: couple of times. I mean that happens when they encounter

612
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 1: Han solo two, where she has to keep reminding people

613
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: as You're like, no, I am a pilot, and even then,

614
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: and I think that this is like kind of a

615
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: common experience of you know, she keeps telling people I'm

616
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: a pilot, and I feel like with most male characters,

617
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: and this happens in comedy all the fucking time too.

618
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: It's like where people won't be like, oh, wow, you

619
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: really are a pilot until they've already seen you do

620
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: it successfully, Whereas with male characters, it's like, I'm a

621
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: pilot and they're like, oh great. Perfect. Every day, every

622
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: time I see a woman to stand up, I'm always

623
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: surprise that they're also a pilot. Yeah, yeah, actually I

624
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: can't watch me do a Type five and then let

625
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: me fly your plane. I've been like standing in a

626
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: circle at like a comedy venue with several men and

627
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: have like a guy approach us and ask every single

628
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: person in the circle except for me if they are comics.

629
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 1: And none of the guys that they asked were comics,

630
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: and I was the only comic in the bunch. But

631
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: because they're just like, well you have comic right, kill

632
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: them all. I guess all the guys who I was

633
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: standing with, who I'm friends with, none of them were like, no,

634
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: we're not comics. But she is so funk all of

635
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: those people. It's it's weird that they had to ask

636
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: every single person before, Like I feel like, if you

637
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: get like two in you probably probably not comics circle

638
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: at all. But I wasn't gonna be like I didn't comedian.

639
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: That was like, that was one of the parts of

640
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: this movie where I was like, oh, yeah, I feel

641
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: I feel that. But where it's like you have to

642
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: tell someone that this is your job, but they still

643
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: don't believe you until they see you do it. And

644
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: she has to do that a couple of times, and

645
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: whether or not it's a gender thing doesn't get explicitly

646
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: common died on, but I feel like it's safe to assume.

647
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: I feel like just that it happened. Yeah, And I

648
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: think the fact that it wasn't explicitly mentioned as a

649
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: gender thing is one of the strengths of this movie

650
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: because I think if they had, then you just lose

651
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: so many of the people who don't want to learn

652
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: the lesson explicitly, like all the guys who are like, oh,

653
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: they're trying to push it in my face. But like,

654
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: if you don't do that, then you can't really claim

655
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: that they're trying to. It's like, if they don't mention

656
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: that she's a woman, then you are just taking this

657
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: on yourself and you're complaining about something that you had

658
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: to interpret. So I like it it was sort of unspoken. Same, Yeah, definitely.

659
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: And then they bore the Millennium falcon and immediately Ray

660
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: is like the gunner positions down there, so she like

661
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: kind of like tells him what to do. He just

662
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: goes and does it, and then she gets in the

663
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: cockpit and having never flown this same before, I don't

664
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: know how she knows how to be a pilot. But

665
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't even question. I'm like, yeah, she's of course,

666
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: guess yeah. Plus, I mean she's a scavenger. She like

667
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: she goes into all these like Empire ships that like

668
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: crashed on Jack Who And like so I'm like, okay,

669
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: she probably knows ship apparatus because she scavenges that ship

670
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: all the time. But somehow she knows how to be

671
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: a pilot, and she's very good at it. She doesn't

672
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: all by herself, doesn't need a co pilot. And then

673
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: they escape the stormtroopers and then they fly off, and

674
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: then the scene immediately follows that after they've escaped, she

675
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: and Finn meat in the middle somewhere and they're like, Wow,

676
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: good job. That was amazing. You did a great job too.

677
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: You totally me And that was so great for me

678
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: to see because I feel like so often in movies

679
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: you'd see a guy being like, well, I guess you

680
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: did okay, okay, yeah, yeah right right, Like Finn and

681
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: Ray have such team vibes throughout this movie that it's

682
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: it's it's great. It's the opposite of Harrison Ford's don't

683
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: get cocky in the original y. Yeah, they're immediately just

684
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: like you were great, you did that. Yeah, it's such

685
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: a nice moment. They like each other. Yeah, this is

686
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: great because yeah, like usually you'd see either the guy

687
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: be like that wasn't that hard? I could have done that,

688
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: or the guy to a woman him seeing that, and

689
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: then he'd be like, oh, I'm so horny. Now she

690
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: can do on a horribone er. So the fact that that, yeah,

691
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: they're like, wow, the woman did a thing, and and

692
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: now I must now I had to put my face

693
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: on her face. Nothing turns me on more than seeing

694
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: a woman do something I thought only men could. Yeah,

695
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: So the fact that neither of those reactions happened from

696
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: Finn was refreshing and I really liked it. Well, neither

697
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: of those reactions happened for a little bit from Finn.

698
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: It takes a bit, Yeah, it takes a bit, but

699
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: I kind of like seeing him in crisis a little bit.

700
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: And Han Solo is, thank god, is not in it

701
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: so much that we have to deal with it plot wise.

702
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: But when the scene where Han Solo is offering Ray

703
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: a job, is you see I mean, because he's not

704
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: a feminist icon, let's say, and you see sort of

705
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: him struggling with like, you know, any time that he

706
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: compliments her, it's backed by an insult of like, well,

707
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pay you enough, which is like, well,

708
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: she's a woman, of course you're not there. There's well

709
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: I'll be like, RUI likes you, so I guess I

710
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: can keep you around. When it's clearly like an example

711
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: of him unable to express himself because he's a man.

712
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: He cannot be caught saying that a woman is capable, right,

713
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: he can't be on record. If he was better at

714
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: expressing his emotions, like Kylo run might not exist. So true,

715
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: he could have saved everyone a lot of trouble. He's

716
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: just like, hey, I'm proud of you. I love you,

717
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: and you are my son. Yeah, this whole movie is

718
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: Hans fault. God, it was a nightmare. I love you,

719
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: I love my wife. We did a great job raising you.

720
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: I cherish her input into your life. And and none

721
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: of this. He's just a nice boy. I didn't driver

722
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: good of a space accountant, but instead we get a

723
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: fun movie. Oh and then okay, so right after Ray

724
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: and Finn have their little great job, then something like

725
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: poisonous guests start sleeking in the Millennium Falcon and then

726
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: like Ray just like jumps at it immediately. She's like

727
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: she knows exactly what to do. She's like, hand me

728
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: that fucking wrench, handing the screwdriver. He doesn't really know

729
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: what he's doing. He doesn't know tools. This is all

730
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: to say, this whole long sequence is something we haven't

731
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: seen before in a Star Wars movie. I mean maybe

732
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: it's in the prequels. Who gives a ship I don't know,

733
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: but just a competent woman who is driving the narrative,

734
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: making choices and like being better than everyone else at

735
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: what they're doing was just like so fucking and and

736
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: kind of like you're saying to me, it's like a

737
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: lot of attention isn't called to like, whoa look at

738
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: this woman did it? Because that is like a weird

739
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: thing that happens in movies a lot have like I've

740
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: never seen a girl do this thing before, and it's like,

741
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: you know what they're going for, but it is kind

742
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: of a dated, weird approach to it. I'm also so

743
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: glad they didn't do that thing. We're like Ray like

744
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: successfully maneuvers and she's just like what I grew up

745
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: with four Brothers. It's like that so frustrating and from

746
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: moment one when Ray is on screen, because I watched

747
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: the first thing she appears in a couple of times

748
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: and there's like, I don't think any dialogue in it

749
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: when we first see her, but like she's just like

750
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: even the ways she's framed by the movie is she's

751
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: framed like a protagonist and like a hero and not

752
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: like how a woman would normally be framed in any

753
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: sort of action movie, which I thought was so great

754
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: and I watched it a couple of times. I'm like, oh,

755
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: we're just seeing a straight shot of the main character

756
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: of the movie, which shouldn't seem like a big deal,

757
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: but it was nice to see just her being framed

758
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: like a hero and not like although a thing happens.

759
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: And I don't know if this was intentional or not,

760
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: but the first time you see her on screen, you

761
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: don't know the gender of this person because they're like

762
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: in a big mask and goggles and you can't see

763
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: her face or anything like that. And this happens sometimes

764
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: in movies where like a lot a lot of mask removals. Yeah,

765
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: and it'll be like, in fact, it happens in Return

766
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: of the Jedi and Jabs Palace whenever Leiah is the

767
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: person who comes in and he's like trying to negotiate

768
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: for Hanselo's life. She's got a thermal detonator and it's

769
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: a whole thing. And then later she takes off the

770
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: mask and it's late and we're like, holy food. But

771
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: it happens a lot where someone you would probably assume

772
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: to be a male character is in a mask or

773
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: they've got like a helmet on or something like that,

774
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: and then they take it off and surprise, it's a woman.

775
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: And it's meant to be this, like, well, reveal the

776
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: thing that you sat was a man is actually a woman.

777
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: And I don't, like I said, I don't know if

778
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: that's intentional in this movie or not, but it's sort

779
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: of it happens. It for sure happens. So like I said,

780
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I'm just kidding it's a woman. I

781
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: don't know that. I mean, obviously I know literally next

782
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: to nothing about this franchise, but just given the fact

783
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: that we get a kind of similar shot of fucking

784
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: Adam Driver in the same I don't know, it might

785
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 1: not be like a meant to be like a well,

786
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: I feel like because it happens before any sort of

787
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: major action, it was just kind of like, here's an

788
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: introduction to who this person is. But if it was

789
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: like we see her in a fight and then you're

790
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: most the mask, then I'd be like okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

791
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: The context is important for that, yeah, because often when

792
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: it happens in movies when it's like very annoying is

793
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: they'll take off the helmet and then she's got this

794
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: long flowing hair that she whips around and then she's

795
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: like it was me all along, boys, and it's just

796
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: like really agregious and stupid. It's like the you know

797
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: in Little Rascals when she takes off her helmet and

798
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: it's like Reba or whatever, like my hero was a girl,

799
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: right exactly, I need to have it's Reba. It's always

800
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: and I'm always surprised. I love Reba. Remember when Kyler

801
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: Ren took off the mask and it was okay. So

802
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: there's a few more scenes I want to talk about,

803
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: starting with the scene where they have met Han Solo

804
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: and Chewy and there's these like wrath cars running around

805
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: and Han Solo's ship and what they're like these big

806
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: monster creatures. Okay, scary guys. Yeah, they've got like tentacles

807
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, And Finn gets grabbed by one of

808
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: them and like carried off and then Ray ends up

809
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: having to save him. So it's the reverse of what

810
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: we often see of a man having to save a woman.

811
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: But she like does this whole thing where she's like

812
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: looking at these monitors, she like figures out when the

813
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 1: exact moment is to shut the doors to like sever

814
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: the tentacles that the rath tire is holding Finn with, right,

815
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: and then he's like, wow, the door did you see that?

816
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, that was lucky. So I didn't

817
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: feel the need to gloat about it and be like,

818
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: yeah that was me. So I just like that you

819
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: saw a woman having to save a man. I also

820
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: love that at no point does it feel like you go, like, what,

821
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: how did she know how to do this? It's like

822
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: she's been on her own for so long you could

823
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: understand that, like she's had to survive and learn how

824
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: to do things. She's probably like brilliant person, so all

825
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: of the development skills that she goes, like the things

826
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: that she does to save other people in this movie,

827
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: and like the action she takes never feel like when

828
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: Luke Skywalker was just a farm boy and like suddenly

829
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm going to be a warrior now. It's like, well,

830
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: she's been on her own for so long and straight

831
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: up like defending herself from like scavengers and like saving

832
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: people in the desert, Like it makes sense that she

833
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: could be like I'm going to chop off that. Yeah, totally.

834
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: And then in the next scene, Han and Ray are

835
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: trying to escape in the Millennium Falcon and they're like

836
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 1: having trouble getting the Millennium Falcon started. There's like beeping

837
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: and like she keeps being like, no, it's this thing.

838
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: The compressor hit that switch, did it? And then like

839
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: at one point she pulls out this like mechanical thing.

840
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: She pulls out a thing and then she's like I

841
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: bypass the compressor and he's just like, okay, I liked

842
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: that because she was so that was like one of

843
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: the few months where like, oh she was so stuked

844
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: right down. Everyone's just like, um what again. It's it's

845
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: showing you that she knows her ship, she's kind of

846
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: better than everyone and what she's doing and just like

847
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: it is so competent, because again, you don't see like

848
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: if a woman's doing machinery things in movies, like she

849
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: can't do anything. And but maybe it's also that thing

850
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: that annoys me, where like a woman is good at

851
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: fixing a car, but that never I feel like that

852
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: doesn't apply to this movie at least, Yeah, she knows.

853
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: I mean like there aren't any of those like cheesy

854
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: lines of like a female character justifying why she would

855
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: know how to fix a car because her daddy was

856
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: a mechanic or something. So he just raised me like one,

857
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: like a little like it was just yeah, where that's

858
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: just an element of the story that exists, and it

859
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: isn't because often when we see it and it's really

860
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: stupid like it is and Transformers, for example, it's a

861
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: skill that's like somehow sexualized. They're like, look at how

862
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: hot I look when I bend over the hood of

863
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: this car and reach into the thing exactly. But for Ray,

864
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: it's just like she just knows how to do that

865
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: because that's her character and it works. So there's that. Now, Uh, sorry,

866
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: I've got an agenda. You're so prepared. I all my

867
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: notes are. I just keep writing a name of actor hot?

868
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: Is there anyone in this movie that isn't hot? Though

869
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 1: personal taste and driver not a hot pretty much everyone

870
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: else hot, And I include Andy Serkus Andy Circus hot

871
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: as smoke or just Andy Circus as Andy Serkus. Andy

872
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: Circus as a person is amazing. A Circus is SnO,

873
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: I'll take it, okay, why not? You can tell there's

874
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: some hotness there. There's some hotness. Yeah, he's got an attitude. No,

875
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: he's a brooder used to be hot. I think he's

876
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: definitely Yeah, before he got whatever, like weird scarred down

877
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: the front. I want to see a young photo smoke,

878
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: young smoke, like, oh, it's Paul Newman. Give us a

879
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: young Snoke series. So the next thing I wanted to

880
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: talk about is when Kylo Ren captures Ray, presumably she

881
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: would need to be saved. However, what's different about this

882
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: is that in so many movies you see when like

883
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,959
Speaker 1: a bad guy captures a woman, it's because she needs

884
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: to be used as bait so that the mail he

885
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: he can come and save her, or it's like we're

886
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: taking this woman that you love to hurt you or

887
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: something like that. But this is about her value and

888
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: her abilities and also her knowledge where at first when

889
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 1: that happened, I was like, Oh, it's maybe, but it's

890
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: not really a DAMSELI kind of yeah, because she has

891
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: to bail a million people out through the course of

892
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: this movie. And then yeah, she's being I mean, she's captured,

893
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: but she but she's captured because of her and not

894
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: because of her value as it pertains to another mail Exactly. Yeah,

895
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: she's captured because she has the information that he needs,

896
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: not because she's going to be used as bait. You

897
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: can capture people, you just have to respect their abilities, exactly.

898
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: And granted Finn and Hanselo and Chewy go to save her,

899
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: but like you said, she's never damseled. She never has

900
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: to be like picked up and carried away or anything

901
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: like that. She doesn't need to be physically saved because

902
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: the first thing she does is like stop Kylo Wren

903
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: from like getting the information he needs. She like totally resists,

904
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 1: and then she uses the force to make a stormtrooper

905
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: like release her from the shackles that she's in. A

906
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: stormtrooper that I might add is hot because it's Daniel Creis.

907
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: It is Daniel Craig. What. Yeah, he has like a

908
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 1: little cameo. He's just in a Stormtrooper o. That's so weird,

909
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: that's very key. Did he just ask? I think so?

910
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: I think. I think the story was they were shooting

911
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: Bond nearby and they just like, do you want to

912
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: have a cameo, And of course he's going to say yes.

913
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: It's everyone's dream. It's so exciting for him. And then

914
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: the new one, Prince Harry and Prince someone else, William

915
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: I think our Stormtroopers, and so was Tom Hardy. So weird.

916
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: I saw Joseph Gordon Levitt in the credits. I don't

917
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: know what he does, but he's something I don't know.

918
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: And then Nigel god Rich, who is a producer it

919
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: does all like the radio albums, is also in the

920
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: Force Awakens. It's just like anyone who's like British and

921
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: nearby for Melina should be and what should I bet

922
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: he is And he's too humble, he's so humble. Yeah,

923
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: it was just a pleasure to be a part of it.

924
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: The star of British, the star of Chewing Gum, whose name, Yeah,

925
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: she's good. She's got a little cameo that's very exciting anyway. Okay,

926
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: so yeah, she makes Daniel Craig Untire and then give

927
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: her his weapon. She's like, drop your gun and he

928
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: just does it because she's so good at the force already.

929
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: And then she like sneaks her way around the base

930
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: and then eventually when like Finn finds her, she was fine.

931
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: She didn't need to be like grabbed and saved away.

932
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: She was already pretty much basically all she needed was

933
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,959
Speaker 1: a ride home. She's more found than rescued, exactly. Yeah, totally. Yeah.

934
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: At one point they even just like look out a

935
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: window and she's like scaling a wall. She's she's good.

936
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: I love that. And then that is followed by the

937
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 1: lightsaber battle at the end between Ray and Kylo Wren

938
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 1: and she gets knocked out early on, and then Finn

939
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: fights with the lightsaber for a few minutes, but then

940
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: he gets injured and almost dies, and then Ray's like,

941
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: actually it's finishes. This was the most cathartic thing to

942
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: see in the theater both times, Like the moment where

943
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: like Kylo Ren is trying to grab the lights having

944
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 1: flies back and she catches it. Everyone just went fucking

945
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: crazy and I just felt like the adrenaline like, yes,

946
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: this is why we wanted, so I love it, and

947
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: it's like another cool team moment where they did it together.

948
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: It's good. Not that she even needed his help, but no,

949
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: but they did it together. I know. I feel like

950
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: Finn's ark for this entire movie is him trying to

951
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: be like, I gotta save her, and it's her being like,

952
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: thank you, but I really can do this myself, which

953
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: is is nice. And they still do work together a

954
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: lot of the time. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So those are

955
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: the main things I wanted to talk about that Star Ray,

956
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: But we've got other female characters in this movie as well.

957
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: Unlike the original trilogy, when there's pretty much just Princess Leiah,

958
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: she makes she's really a smurfetted Yeah, so Lea's in this.

959
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: She is General Organa. Now she's leading the resistance. She's

960
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: so fucking good at job. And then we've got mas Kannada.

961
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: She's the lipido character who's like, oh, here's a lightsaber

962
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: the force cold place, you've got pace. What else does

963
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: she say? Can you read Moby Dick in quick? Yeah?

964
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: So she gives exposition largely, and then she's just basically like, hey,

965
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: Han Solo, quit fucking running away from this fight, you

966
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: stupid coward, Go talk to Leia figure it out about

967
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: your son. She's basically just a therapist. I don't know. Yes,

968
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: I don't know what her role is in. She's the

969
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: most recent movie. But it's funny because I feel like

970
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: this happens with We've seen this a few times with

971
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: like older female characters who are in the movie for

972
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of just like, this is another female

973
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: character for our like younger protagonist to interact with that imparts,

974
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, just as is like, hey, you've got this,

975
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: and then you know it's like okay, and then we

976
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: can move forward. It's it's I don't know, yeah, I

977
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: mean she doesn't do that much, but the fact that

978
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: she like her Yeah, she's pretty fun too. I feel

979
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: like a little personality there's she's got that one line

980
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: where when Han comes in where she's like, where's my

981
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: boyfriend to talk about? Do you think they have been

982
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: flirting for a thousand years? Absolutely unreal. She's a business owner,

983
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: so it's true. I wrote I wrote down small business

984
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 1: as in she owns a small business or she owns

985
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: a business and it is small a little bit of both.

986
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: You get the best of about there. Wait, is that

987
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: like Kantina Hers, I think so yeah, okay, I wasn't

988
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: sure exactly what her. She's a clean business owner, but

989
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 1: she is a small business owner. The other main female

990
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: character is Captain Pasma, So we get a lady villain

991
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: and she's like pretty badass. She's a leader of some sort.

992
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: You know that because her things shiny and no one

993
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: else's costumes Shinese the coolest design of any of the villains.

994
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 1: I wish we got more of her, though the same

995
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: it might not make much sense for her character to

996
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: be in the story more, but I don't know. I

997
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: just I feel like it was a look. It's such

998
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: a look, it's such a I want more, like well

999
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: developed lady villains. That sounds like weird, but it's just

1000
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: like I feel like you get so many villains where

1001
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: it's they have good development, but at the end of it,

1002
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: their motivation is just like I'm angry, and it's like

1003
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: I want more than that, but I also want I

1004
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: feel like so many times in movies their version of

1005
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: being progressive, it's just like, well, if we make the

1006
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: lady the hero, then that's good. But it's like you

1007
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: can make a woman of villain just do it well,

1008
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: and I wish that there were more of those anyway, Yeah,

1009
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: I agree, it's interesting and there was like that brief trend.

1010
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: I think that probably Wicked would be the first huge,

1011
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: huge example of it of famous female villains going back

1012
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: and sort of revising it to humanize and like, like,

1013
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: Wicked is all about humanizing a female villain, which is

1014
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: and that's been done a number of times since it

1015
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: was like that weird Angelina Jolie Maleficent movie of like,

1016
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: you can't just have a hard female bad villain. It's like,

1017
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: but here's the here's why she's actually very feminine and

1018
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: gentle and soft in the world made her this way?

1019
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a conclusive thought on that.

1020
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: But are they Why can't she just be my? Can't

1021
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: she just be mean? I don't know if I don't

1022
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: know if I want there to be an equal number

1023
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: of humanizing male villains or if I just want to

1024
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 1: just let a villain be bad. I don't know which

1025
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: which side of that spectrum I phone. I think it's

1026
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: more fun to kind of the be bad. Maybe I

1027
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: don't need to know about like when their heart was

1028
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: broken in college? Wicked? Is that how wicked goes. Yeah,

1029
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: it's goes like, well, she she had a friendship, and

1030
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: then she had a boyfriend and then and then now

1031
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: she's mean. I do like when a villain is like

1032
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: when they're reasoning for being evil, it's understandable, but you

1033
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,959
Speaker 1: still are like, but you are definitely the villain. But yeah,

1034
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: the world did not force you to do this, and

1035
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: you are choosing to do this, like when it's a

1036
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: villain where they're like, oh, I'm doing this because this

1037
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: company wronged me, and I'm actually trying to be the

1038
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: good guy. It's just I have to kill a bunch

1039
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: of people in the process. Then it's like, okay, well,

1040
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: I know you want to do a good thing, but

1041
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: you are evil, so you're bad. But you're bad. Look

1042
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: at your outfit. You're bad. There's a skull on it.

1043
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: And unfortunately we don't get that much backstory for Fasmus,

1044
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: so we don't really know. But but the point remains

1045
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: that the movie was like, hey, let's put more female

1046
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: characters in it than just one. So the fact that

1047
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: you do see a female villain at all, and then

1048
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: that even in like the original trilogy, any scenes where

1049
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: there's like just extras running around or like the people

1050
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 1: in like the rebel bases, they're almost all populated by men,

1051
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 1: and in this movie, I feel like it's still pretty

1052
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: male heavy, but you see more sprinkles of women. There's

1053
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: there's like whenever they go to Mases Cantina where there's

1054
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: a werewolf, I don't know, there's like a wolfman, I

1055
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: don't know. I loved it. But the world is the

1056
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: world of Star Wars is so populated by these insane

1057
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: creatures that you will only see for one second, thinking

1058
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: about the production designer being like, yeah, we'll make a

1059
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: werewolf fan for a background, yeah, and then it'll be

1060
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: on screen first. I love that though, and in twenty

1061
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: years from now there will be a series of young

1062
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: adult novels about that character who's on screen for one second.

1063
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: Extended universes are fun, yeah, But like in that scene,

1064
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: so people are still looking for a B B eight

1065
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: and there's like this evil lady who's got crazy I

1066
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: make up and I love it. Droid is over easy

1067
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: here possibly my favorite look of the whole movie. She yeah,

1068
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: she's her name, I don't know she ever one line unreal.

1069
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: She's like lounging on the giant, a big fat alien,

1070
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: and that gets off to deliver a very hot line,

1071
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: and she's got this crazy look. You're just like, wait, what,

1072
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: who's that? She's No one in the world looks like her. No,

1073
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: I don't think other women in the universe are wearing makeup.

1074
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: She looks like she's yeah, she's Mark Jacob's mom, Like,

1075
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: she's like, what did you Why are you humping this?

1076
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: She's not humping him, but she's lounging on a wet

1077
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: looking alien. So yeah, Basically, my point is just that,

1078
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: unlike the Star Wars movies were used to seeing, this

1079
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: galaxy has more than one woman in it, as you

1080
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: might imagine any galaxy would have her to exists, right, Frankly,

1081
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: who knows? Maybe so many of these alien species are

1082
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: a sexual and they just reproduced by like cutting off

1083
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: their arm and then suddenly as a new person, or

1084
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: the C three po theory of printing out a binary

1085
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: receipt and then just feeding it to someone. I don't know. Well,

1086
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: because most of the main characters we see in these

1087
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: Star Wars movies are humans who presumably procreate in a

1088
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: sexual way. Yeah, you would think there'll be more women around.

1089
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean you'd think because they're so hot, right right,

1090
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: they're procreators for sure. Yeah. Again, you know, it's not

1091
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: like a perfect split of men and women that you

1092
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: see on screen, but it does better than the original trilogy. Certainly,

1093
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: this b B eight definitively a boy. Big question I

1094
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: had just b B eight identifies female. This movie is

1095
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: a masterpiece. Who passes the has four million times? We'd

1096
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: probably say he at some point. I'm just gonna I

1097
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: think they do use he pronouns, but I'm not sure.

1098
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: But what if they're wrong and B B eight isn't

1099
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: able to tell. What if they're miss gendering b B

1100
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: A Oh, and she's just too nice to say anything.

1101
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what if in the next one, whenever

1102
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: the next this one comes out, we find out the

1103
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: baby has been being miss gender And that's a major

1104
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: plot point when you're subtle. Are you looking it up?

1105
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: I actually I liked it up. In the Star Wars wiki,

1106
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: Wookie Pidia says gender masculine programming. That does that doesn't

1107
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: answer the question why would they? Why why would masculine

1108
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: vibe does not? Does that mean that she can be

1109
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: reprogrammed to have feminine programming? But Why would there need

1110
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 1: to be feminine or masculine programming for a droid? Why

1111
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: would be What about B B A does WOOKI PDA

1112
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: think reads masculine? A lot of bias going on here.

1113
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like when you set up like

1114
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: your Google Home and it's like what kind of voice

1115
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: do you want? Or like Siri when it's like you

1116
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: want a man voice or you want a woman's voice? Yeah,

1117
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: who do you want? On you? What to do? I

1118
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: like the theory that B B A is a queer icon. Yeah,

1119
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: I think it's for sure queer. I want to meet

1120
01:00:55,960 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: B B It's boyfriend, yeah, or girlfriend, We don't know.

1121
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: Maybe it's very private, very private, yeah, bb it is

1122
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: giving a lot of information, but not like sharing. You know. Well,

1123
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: maybe it's information they because I'm going to use that

1124
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: they pronounced ray, will be like where are you from?

1125
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: And they will say classified. That's their right classified. Yeah. Anyway,

1126
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: I think that that was a big That was a

1127
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: big when we talked about the Becktel test, like this

1128
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 1: movie could pass the Becktel test maybe fifty times. If

1129
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: B B A identifies we don't know, we don't know,

1130
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: we don't know, and you know what it's not our

1131
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: business to ask. Yeah, that's true. They'll tell us when

1132
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: they're ready, that's true. So I think the last queer.

1133
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: The last thing I want to say about this movie

1134
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: is great that we get a female protagonist who's driving

1135
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: this story, very competent, very good at what she does.

1136
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: We're never if she is captured, it's because she's the

1137
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: one who has the information that's needed, not because she's

1138
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: going to be used as bait or something like that.

1139
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: Of the other female characters we see not minding them

1140
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: get that much screen time, Like Leia doesn't get a

1141
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: ton and it's usually her talking to fucking Han Solo

1142
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: and he's all like, well, that's all like fan service though, right, Yeah,

1143
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: for the most yeah, I mean she's like kind of

1144
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: delivering some exhiposition and stuff like that. Um, so she

1145
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: is not a hugely active character in this story, but

1146
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: that's kind that she's there and in charge of the

1147
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: whole resistance, right it is. I mean it also, it's

1148
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: a definite choice, and this could go into like behind

1149
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: the scenes stuff that I would not be aware of,

1150
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: but it was a definite choice to make Han Solo

1151
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: the main character to bring back versus you know, Han

1152
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: Solo and Lea both take a prominent role in this movie,

1153
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: but Han Solo we see a lot more. He does

1154
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: a lot more, and that felt like a choice. And

1155
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was like a story choice

1156
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: or just like a Carrie Fisher wasn't feeling it choice.

1157
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like it was partially because

1158
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: in the original series he's so much more active and

1159
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: she is like a royalty and like a leader. So

1160
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: they're probably just like, what are the parallels of that?

1161
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: What if he's still active and she's like leading the

1162
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: resistance now? But also well, his reveal in the Force

1163
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: awakens whenever they're like, I don't remember this character here.

1164
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: He is popping out into this wedding kaying is like

1165
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: this big, like you said, like a big exciting moment.

1166
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: Everyone's clapping in the theater. Her reveal, which happens a

1167
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: few scenes later, gets like immediately interrupted because C three

1168
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: pos like, hey it's me, you remember me, here's my

1169
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: red arm. So I feel like she doesn't even get

1170
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: like that. She gets like a disservice by like her reveal,

1171
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: which isn't very exciting because she's just sort of like

1172
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: slowly walking out into the grass from a ship and

1173
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: then gets immediately interrupted. So I hadn't thought about that.

1174
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: It was still really exciting to see her, but true,

1175
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: it's also like on the heels of his introduction, at

1176
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: which point you're like, oh, yeah, she'll probably be back

1177
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: to right Yeah. Um, does anyone have any final thoughts

1178
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: about the Force awakens Bechtel wise? Uh, the Mas Kanada

1179
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: scene is like entirely two women talking, although I guess

1180
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: they do sort of turn it into a conversation about

1181
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: Luke at one point, But okay, yeah, do you have

1182
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: how much do you have it passing? Because I had

1183
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: it passing from what I knows at least two times

1184
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: between Ray and Mas that scene where she's afraid because

1185
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: lightsaber and the force. It's about Han and Luke up

1186
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: until a point, and then it passes. It passes in

1187
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: like the second half of that conversation. I am prepared

1188
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: to argue that pretty much the whole conversation passes, and

1189
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: although both mentioned my name, but their conversation is not

1190
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: really about them. So it's basically Ray has her whole

1191
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: like force vision whenever she touches Luke's lightsaber, and then

1192
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: she freaks out, and she's like, okay, well of conpecual manature.

1193
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: And then massa that lightsabers Luke's and his father's before him.

1194
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: Now it calls to you. So those people get mentioned,

1195
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: but that's still not what the conversation is about. It's

1196
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: about the force calling to her and the lightsaber itself

1197
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: and not really. And then she's like, I have to

1198
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: get back to Jack. Who and she says Han told me,

1199
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,439
Speaker 1: but then he doesn't. Again, it's not about Han. They're

1200
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: not talking about any other movie, any other franchise though

1201
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: that wouldn't fly. I don't think, I mean and and

1202
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: And that's not to say this conversation doesn't pass the

1203
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: actual test, because it does, but it doesn't for a while.

1204
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I think if we're naming

1205
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: male characters by name and saying literally the word fathers,

1206
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: we're talking about men. We are Here's a logistical question.

1207
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: Would a conversation pass the Bechdel test if it was

1208
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: like two women talking about what they did that day

1209
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: and then they were like, and then I drove Dave's

1210
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: car to blah blah blah. The way we have interred

1211
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: and there's like a bunch of permutations, but we have

1212
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: it just being two lines of dialogue exchanged between women

1213
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: where a man isn't mentioned at all. So this conversation

1214
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: does pass because there are multiple times where two lines

1215
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: of dialogue or exchanged without mentioning a man. I don't know,

1216
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: I feel like saying Han and Luke and Father's is

1217
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: not passing the battle nest see. I don't know, I

1218
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: feel like I mean, I don't know if we've talked

1219
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: about this before, but the context of the conversation is

1220
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: not about those characters. They get mentioned, but they're not

1221
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: specifically talking about Luke and Luke's ship in life and

1222
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: all that stuff, nor are they talking about Han. They

1223
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: get mentioned, but it's almost in passing, right. The rest

1224
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: of the conversation definitely passes without any men being mentioned,

1225
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,439
Speaker 1: because Ray's like, I gotta get back to Jack who

1226
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: And She's just like, dear child, I see it in

1227
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: your eyes. You already know the truth. Remember, whoever you're

1228
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: waiting for is not They're not coming back. The belonging

1229
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: you seek is not behind you, it's ahead of you.

1230
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: You know. I know the forest did it and then

1231
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: raised like I've never She's like taking my favorite, my

1232
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: favorite line that I could deeply relate to. I'm never

1233
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: touching that thing again. I don't want any part of

1234
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: this exits, just like we've all been there. Yeah. Again,

1235
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: the conversation is more about her figuring out if this

1236
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: forcing is something that she wants to pursue. And wild

1237
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: men do get mentioned, That's not really what their conversation

1238
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: is about. I'm happy to disagree on it for for me,

1239
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:39,479
Speaker 1: mentioning men doesn't pass. But I understand what you're saying.

1240
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah right, well, well discoorse discourse alert. Did you said

1241
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: there were it passes at two moments? What was the other? Uh?

1242
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: There was like one exchange when they're in the same

1243
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: scene with Han and Finn where they exchange literally two lines,

1244
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: like it's two lines what fight the only fight and

1245
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: they are speaking to each other directly. That's Leah and Leah,

1246
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: no mas and okay, okay, So that those were the

1247
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: two between those characters that I noticed, and I think

1248
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: I missed that one. But speaking of Ray and Leah,

1249
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: they do interact, but their interactions however, passed the back

1250
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: to tests because of the first time Leah and Ray

1251
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: just hug right after Han Solo dies and they don't do,

1252
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: not exchange any words. And then at the end of

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01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 1: the movie, whenever Ray is about to go off and

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01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: find Luke Skywalker, Leia says, may the Force be with you.

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01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: Ray just sort of looks at her and nods and

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01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: then turns around. So I know an opportunity was so

1257
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,600
Speaker 1: it was right there. Those moments are so painful. It's like,

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01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: say anything. It's like the crazy not to bring it

1259
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: back to Spider Man, to my favorite movie, but like

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01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 1: that scene where it's so good Alfa Melina shines, but

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01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: there that scene was like Aunt May and Mary Jane

1262
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: are in the same scene the whole time, and they're

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01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: saying vague stuff but they're not saying it to each other.

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01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: Or there's a scene where un May is like, all right,

1265
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: go make some food, which is already like Luf and

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01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: then Chris and does nods and then slowly backs out

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01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: of this scene without saying anything. You're just like why

1268
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: it could have frustrating. Indeed, Yeah, this scene wasn't that bad.

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01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: I do wish there were more, because there's opportunities for

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01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: because there are more women now in this movie, for

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01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: more women to interact. But it does happen. So seldom

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01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: in this movie, Like it would be so easy for

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01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: Lay to kind of take ray On as a like

1274
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,759
Speaker 1: I'm going to mentor you and like I've been there before,

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01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: like you know, I mean, it's like just any significant

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01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: interaction where I wouldn't even I mean, I'm sure from

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01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: a Star Wars perspective, this would be an issue. But

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01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 1: even if like Leia didn't like ray Or like took

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01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,719
Speaker 1: issue with her in some way, that could be something

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01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: to talk about where it's like not every time two

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01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,600
Speaker 1: female characters are on screen together. They don't have to

1282
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: be supporting each other. They don't have to be like

1283
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: we're allies and we're gonna take them down. You know

1284
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 1: where I love two female characters in conflict, just like

1285
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: male characters and conflict have been every movie ever uptil recently.

1286
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: But it's yeah, but they just don't get to do

1287
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: there's no interaction really, but hey, what are you gonna do?

1288
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 1: It's a movie, but that's no, that's the point of

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01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: the show, the show. What are you gonna do? Cutting

1290
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: Star Wars breaks, they get no brakes, can't change the industry. Well,

1291
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: and that'll be a rap on. My dream is for

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01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: everyone to know about this podcast, including like all the

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01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: big wigs in Hollywood, and then for them to be like,

1294
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: for sure they're gonna know about us, and then they're

1295
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 1: going to be like, wow, we've got to change this

1296
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,719
Speaker 1: movie because the way it is now, the Bechtel cast

1297
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: would tear it apart. We'll take them down. I mean,

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01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 1: I feel like the Bechtel test is famous enough that

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01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: there's really no excuse. It's true. Just have two women

1300
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 1: in a diner say, get me more more coffee. Marge,

1301
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: shut thing, Liz did it high five point. It's very

1302
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: easy to do. It takes but not even I mean,

1303
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: most of what we talk about is how active the

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01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: female characters are in the story, how important they are

1305
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: to the story, all that stuff like, I mean, you

1306
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 1: should be better than that, but I'm just like better

1307
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: than just the exchange. But it seems like a very

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01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: easy thing for totally. Yeah, most movies still don't bother anyway. Hey,

1309
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 1: let's write the movie on our nipple scale. Okay, so

1310
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: we have a scale of zero to five nipples on

1311
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: which we rate the movie's portrayal of women and how

1312
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: good or bad it does. I'm going to give it three.

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01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: I think I was going over three Yeah, cool, cool, cool, Yeah,

1314
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 1: three nipples because it does much better than the previous

1315
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: Star Wars movies. Wow, we now have a female protagonist

1316
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: in this one. She has a little queer friend in

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01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 1: b B eight and it's and it's great. And more

1318
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: people of color in this movie than we see in

1319
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,560
Speaker 1: Star Wars movies, which have been very historically white. Infinitely,

1320
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So yeah, three nipples. We've got a

1321
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: female character who's leading the story. She's the main character.

1322
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: She's doing a bunch of stuff. She's very good at

1323
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:22,600
Speaker 1: her job, and she is never damseled or objectified or

1324
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 1: anything like that. But because there are still not as

1325
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: many female characters as there could be or should be,

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01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: it doesn't get a higher scored than three nipples. I'm

1327
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: going to give my nipples. It's gonna be. This is hard.

1328
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: There's so many hot people I want to give nipple,

1329
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: you give you give away even Yeah, I know. So

1330
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: Kleen has three nipples today, who is she going to

1331
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: give them to? Okay, I'm going to give one to

1332
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 1: Finn cool, Yeah, hot hot nipple one two Ray, and

1333
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to give the third nipple too a porg

1334
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 1: who we don't see in this movie, the Invisible Pork,

1335
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 1: the Invisible porg that sounds like a really dystopian novel,

1336
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,719
Speaker 1: The Invisible pork. You might see one like fluttering around

1337
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: in the background on the Jedi planet that Luke is

1338
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: on at the very end. Who hard to say. By

1339
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: the time they released, like the trilogy, Box said, there

1340
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: will be like cg porks added to every sting exactly.

1341
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 1: So I'm yeah, this is for the poor that will

1342
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 1: retroactively be put into the force awakens. One of my

1343
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: nipples goes to that pork. What's a pork? A pork

1344
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:38,719
Speaker 1: is a imagine if a rodent were a bird. Okay,

1345
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: I like that's a pork. I think I like it? Right?

1346
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: Is that a pretty good chicken meets a penguin? But

1347
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: I like you, But they don't. But they can fly.

1348
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 1: But their faces I can't tell whoa I love the pork,

1349
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 1: but they don't have they don't have beaks or bird faces.

1350
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: They have like kind of face kind of handstry faces. Yeah,

1351
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: like over a little rabbit face sort of thing anywhere.

1352
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: They're cute and I love porks. Okay, I'm on board

1353
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: for porks. I'm gonna give it three nipples as well

1354
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: as an objective don't give a funk about Star Wars

1355
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 1: party Like Ray is awesome, there's no I mean, she's

1356
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: the best there in. This world is still not realistically

1357
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: populated with women in order for any universe to subsist

1358
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 1: so in that way, and it's just frustrating to see

1359
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: where in the original trilogy, as I understand it right

1360
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: because because I do not know, have not seen it,

1361
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: Princess Leiah is the female character where we're given a

1362
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: lot of tertiary female characters in this series in addition

1363
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 1: to our female protagonists, but they're still not given I

1364
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: don't know they're for me, they're not doing enough, and

1365
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,879
Speaker 1: they're also the main thing is like they're not talking

1366
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:55,719
Speaker 1: to each other. And there's at least thirty to fifty

1367
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 1: tiny scenes in this movie where men are talking to

1368
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 1: each other. It's it should be that hard to get

1369
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: two women in the same scene. Always frustrating. Three nippies

1370
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 1: giving one to a little b B eight Uh, And

1371
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: we don't know, we don't know what the story is there.

1372
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,679
Speaker 1: I look forward to the confessional to the medium dot

1373
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: com pie is coming out from B B eight. I

1374
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: can't wait for the b bight spin off movie written

1375
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: entirely in deep give us the twenty two minute B

1376
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 1: eight short before the movies. These fuck Frozen and that's

1377
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 1: stupid ass all off short. Anyway, I have seen the

1378
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,560
Speaker 1: movie before. I have never seen a movie. I was like,

1379
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 1: can I just say that there is worse seeing Lady Bird?

1380
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: And I didn't like it? Why is everyone like Lady

1381
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: Birds so much? It's really good. She's a whiner. She's

1382
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: going to calm down a lot of people. Wine. All right,

1383
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that there is one other notable female

1384
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: character in the original trilogy who I think appears for

1385
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 1: the first time in Empire Strikes Back. Her name is

1386
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: Mom Mathma, but she has like two lines of dialogue

1387
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: and then you pretty much to see her again. I

1388
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: think she's in the Rogue one too. Yeah, Rugue one

1389
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: Tokyo drift, rug one ruin. And I'll give my second

1390
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 1: nippy to Daniel Craig because I didn't know he needed one.

1391
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: That was fun, And then I'll give my my final

1392
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: nipple to Mars great, wonderful cool. I'm also gonna give

1393
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 1: it three nips, and I'm giving one nipple to Ray

1394
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 1: because she she does so much in this movie, and

1395
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: I feel like as much as I appreciated it all

1396
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: three times that I've seen it, like, I feel like

1397
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: I'm discussing it now. I'm just like, yeah, holy sh it.

1398
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: They did a great job with her. And then those

1399
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 1: rain two nips are going to b B eight excellent,

1400
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: BB it's got three nips. Well, what are they going

1401
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: to do? They need them? We don't know. It's going

1402
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 1: to storm in his little compartment that Oh yeah, he's

1403
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: got a lighter in there, he's got a flash drive.

1404
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 1: Hold her gendering b im sorry they day to day. Well,

1405
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: if Poe says he, I feel like it's safe for

1406
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: us to say he, although a pole is an ally

1407
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: to all, so I guess. I guess if Poe says he,

1408
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: then they seemed pretty close, and B B A would

1409
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: not have been so torn up at the thought of

1410
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 1: no more Poe if Poe had been constantly miss John

1411
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: constantly missed gendering him so we might have to let

1412
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 1: that drap. BB eight possibly not a feminist icon but

1413
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 1: still a queer. Also could be trans mail robot. We

1414
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:31,679
Speaker 1: don't know. There's so many stories untold in regards to BB,

1415
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:33,799
Speaker 1: so I'll do you have something you want to say?

1416
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: He is male designing process. They were planning on female

1417
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: changed Who gave that note? Was it? J? J abrams

1418
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: Worth saying that this movie was written and directed? Oh yeah,

1419
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 1: J J abrams I think not feminist icon Sure, Why

1420
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 1: couldn't a woman help write this? Hey? This was our

1421
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,719
Speaker 1: The Force Awakens episode? I like this. This Star Wars

1422
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 1: looks fun. It is. You should watch the new one.

1423
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 1: I think you'd like it. Yeah, I don't have to.

1424
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, I can just skip the

1425
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: old ones. Right. If I enjoyed this one, I'll enjoy

1426
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: the next. I'm gonna be honest, Yes, Yeah, You're going

1427
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: to get a lot of angry tweets about that, but

1428
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, yeah, if you enjoyed this one,

1429
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 1: just keep going forward, all right. Yeah, I don't think

1430
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 1: you need to go back and rewatch. All right, I'll

1431
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: se past in the past in it and the old

1432
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: ones now, but the one for okay, No, I won't

1433
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: get more screen time for b A. There's just a

1434
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 1: lot of porks. I'll say that, a lot of I

1435
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: want to get it. I want to get a B

1436
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 1: B eight lunchbox that was what I was thinking, and

1437
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:41,719
Speaker 1: I was like, I know this is what the movie

1438
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 1: wants me to be thinking, is how can I get

1439
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 1: merchandise with This is a tiny thing on it, but

1440
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: I want one. I saw a child with a B

1441
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: B eight suitcase and I was like, good, um, dummy,

1442
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being thank you for having

1443
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: me so much fun. I really enjoyed. Right, Well, where

1444
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 1: can people find you online or follow your things? Or

1445
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 1: you can follow me at electro Lemon And I've just

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Speaker 1: started a new podcast called punch Up the Jam. It's

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01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 1: a music podcast where we make fun of music and

1448
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Speaker 1: then rewrite the music so well. You can check that

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Speaker 1: out at punch Up the Jam dot com. Amazing. Hey,

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01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: you can follow the becktel Cast on Twitter, Instagram. You

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01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,000
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Speaker 1: us out with our production costs and it helps you

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Speaker 1: out with just getting more Bechtel Cast. Yeah, We've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun stuff on there totally, and maybe

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Speaker 1: the Force be with us all, God bless us, everyone

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