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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to C p W D c S.

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Speaker 1: The show that's easier to say the full name of

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Speaker 1: than the acronym floor or for the penance in the

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Speaker 1: audience the initialism because an acronism, which is the most

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Speaker 1: annoying thing of the world. I guess I'm de penitive

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Speaker 1: the audience. I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and every week

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Speaker 1: I tell you about some cool people who did cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: This week we've got a returning guest, Robert Evans. Robert Evans,

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Speaker 1: who are you? That's a great question, Margaret, who is

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Speaker 1: any of us? Are any of us really here? Or

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Speaker 1: we just reflections on a cave wall being looked at

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Speaker 1: by Greeks in a story I half remember because I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't. Yes, Margaret, I'm the host of a

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Speaker 1: podcast behind the Bastards. There we go, Margaret, I have

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Speaker 1: a question for you. Okay, show you've got butterflies on

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Speaker 1: your face? Is that a reference to a character in

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Speaker 1: a movie that we watched last night. We're gonna We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get to that. We're gonna get to that. X it. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So we also have our producer, Sophie Lichtman on the call, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: who are you? Who am I? Or how am I? Currently?

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Speaker 1: I'm somebody who feels like I'm that that like person

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Speaker 1: who has the devil and the Angel on each shoulder. Um,

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Speaker 1: and um, you're the angel and Robert is you know,

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Speaker 1: the devil, and um, that's who I am? Is? Just

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm here, okay, okay, And that tracks because

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Speaker 1: both Robert and I are still wearing the renfair garb.

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Speaker 1: But that we got yesterday my sword. Oh my god, Robert,

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Speaker 1: that's beautiful and then immediately handed it to a seven

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Speaker 1: year old in the parking lot. That sounds like Robert.

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Speaker 1: If I learned one thing from the movie we watched

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Speaker 1: last night, it's that the greatest act of any hero,

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Speaker 1: you have a child a sword. Yes, exactly, well one

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Speaker 1: of the two great acts, ideally while dripping with the

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Speaker 1: blood of a police officer in in an elementary school.

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Speaker 1: So also, Ian does our audio editing, and on woman

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Speaker 1: wrote our theme song. And and this week we're going

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Speaker 1: all the way back to the year Yea released the

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Speaker 1: best movie of the twentieth century, Night Riders. It's fucking

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Speaker 1: incredible movie. I had never seen this. The last night

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Speaker 1: I did not realize what a goddamned treasure this film was.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, it's actually talking about night Writers today

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Speaker 1: because it is to talk I kind of wish, um

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Speaker 1: we can we can interject here and there and compare

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Speaker 1: the events that we're going to talk about to the

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Speaker 1: events of night Rider. But night Riders. Sorry that we

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Speaker 1: are not talking about the night Writers show with the

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Speaker 1: talking car. This is much cooler. But I tried to

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Speaker 1: take the butterflies off my face and it took me

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Speaker 1: too long, and so now and I got distracted. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So this week, though, Robert, how do you feel about

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Speaker 1: free speech? Is a nice, loaded, easy, easy question. The

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Speaker 1: actual thing, which is people being able to speak and

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Speaker 1: express their thoughts and feelings free of government censorship, is

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Speaker 1: great free speech. The buzzword is a real problem. I

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Speaker 1: I agree on both counts, and that's why I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to tell you that the largest and fiercest fight over

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Speaker 1: of it today. Instead, that's great came from the left,

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Speaker 1: and in order to tell you about free speech and

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Speaker 1: the fights for free speech that happened across the West,

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Speaker 1: and about nineteen nine and nineteen sixteen, I get to

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Speaker 1: tell you about basically the coolest union the US has

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Speaker 1: they were like, you know what, the U S should

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Speaker 1: are not cool enough. So they were like, what would

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Speaker 1: make a union cooler. Some of the founders include alumni

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Speaker 1: And they're good answers. Anyone out there who's like, how

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Speaker 1: them absolutely do apply now. One of them. The kind

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Speaker 1: of the founding idea was no more splitting up the

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Speaker 1: So you can only have one big union in an

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Speaker 1: the U. S. Labor movement, but the like large federated

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Speaker 1: Blair Mountain, one of the names that they had on

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Speaker 1: in a moment, But first, I know what you're wondering, Robert.

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Speaker 1: one knows what I thought. It was named after Johnny Tuberculosis.

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Speaker 1: So they probably they called themselves wobblies. That is the

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Speaker 1: workers who are in the edge of a riot and

426
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Speaker 1: they want to go smash up these employment centers, and

427
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Speaker 1: he's like, no, no, no, join the wobblies. We will

428
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Speaker 1: organize a thing instead of just rioting. When she goes

429
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Speaker 1: against my instinct in which we should both organize and riot.

430
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Speaker 1: But the i w W had had different ideas and

431
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Speaker 1: kind of knew more than I do about how to organize, so,

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Speaker 1: you know whatever, They set up a union hall. They

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Speaker 1: get thousands of members of the it's skyrockets the IWW

434
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Speaker 1: as soon as they get there. There are three year

435
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Speaker 1: old union and they're suddenly skyrocketing, and they set up

436
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Speaker 1: a union hall. It has a library and a reading

437
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Speaker 1: room with a no talking allowed policy, so you can

438
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Speaker 1: go in and quietly read. There's a a cigar and

439
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Speaker 1: a newspaper stand. There's a a fucking movie feeder that's

440
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Speaker 1: so old timey that they refer to it as having

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Speaker 1: a fine new Edison moving picture machine available to them.

442
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that good old time stuff. And they

443
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Speaker 1: write in it and they're like, at the moment, we

444
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Speaker 1: show mainstream movies, but once we successfully have a socialist revolution,

445
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: will show socialist movies. Just the one upside of us

446
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Speaker 1: not having had a socialist revolution. Let's we don't have

447
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: to watch too many socialist movies. Yeah, yeah, not a

448
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Speaker 1: lot of Battleship Timpkins showings. Back to Bay. They also

449
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Speaker 1: have a meeting hall. They have four to five lectures

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Speaker 1: a week. You know, when I think about what kind

451
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Speaker 1: of movie I would want my ideal post revolutionary state,

452
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Speaker 1: it's more or less Night Writers. Yes, that's true. George

453
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Speaker 1: Romero film about people who fight as nights on motorcycles,

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Speaker 1: starring Ed Harris. Yeah, this is absolutely about motorcycle joustin

455
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Speaker 1: if you've made it essentially a beautiful anti capitalist religion. Yeah,

456
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Speaker 1: it's a pretty good movie. I think the Wobblies would

457
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Speaker 1: have liked it. I think so too. And after they

458
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Speaker 1: finished shrieking at the concept of motorcycles existing, Oh no,

459
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Speaker 1: now I don't know what motorcycle iron horse. Yeah, they're

460
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Speaker 1: gonna put all Bessie out of a job. Now, they're

461
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Speaker 1: probably we can rob a lot of banks at that,

462
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Speaker 1: but not as the Wobblies. That's one of the things

463
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Speaker 1: I love. I love reading historical subtext where it's like

464
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: and then a bunch of stuff happened, but that wasn't us. Um,

465
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: IWW's masters of that. So so they're having lectures and

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Speaker 1: meetings at their at their hall. They hire the paid

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Speaker 1: staff of the hall includes a librarian, a piano player,

468
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Speaker 1: and a singer. So you could just go hang out

469
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Speaker 1: and there's someone playing piano and singing and and one

470
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Speaker 1: of the things I realized is another thing that comes

471
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Speaker 1: up all the time in this show when I'm talking

472
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Speaker 1: about these different cultures that have cropped up, is that

473
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Speaker 1: the most interesting ones are ones that kind of allow

474
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Speaker 1: people without access to money to have access to culture.

475
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Speaker 1: And they basically, like you know, like the plays and

476
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Speaker 1: ship that people are putting on, the songs that they're singing.

477
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Speaker 1: The Wobblies were all about their fucking songs. Um. It's

478
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Speaker 1: like a really big part of what makes them interesting.

479
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Speaker 1: They also hire a law firm on retainer for compensation

480
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Speaker 1: for injured workers. They offer health insurance. It's not mandatory.

481
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Speaker 1: If you join the union, you don't have to pay

482
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Speaker 1: for it, but if you put in some money you

483
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: can get like health insurance. And you know, when a

484
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: tree falls on you where you're cutting down a force

485
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: I wish you had left alone, Um, you can get

486
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Speaker 1: take care of a hospital. Wasn't a lot of it,

487
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: like burial benefits to just like because everyone was dying

488
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Speaker 1: all the time and that was a real problem for people.

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Speaker 1: I think. So I didn't read anything specifically about that

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Speaker 1: and what they were doing here, but that is like

491
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Speaker 1: a whole thing that, like insurance in general, including life insurance,

492
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Speaker 1: was basically these like you joined these social organizations I camera,

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Speaker 1: like fraternal organizations and things um and so I assume

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Speaker 1: the loobblies were doing that. They they also maintain job listenings,

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Speaker 1: so you no longer needed to go to a job shark.

496
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Speaker 1: You could go to the hall and find work, and

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Speaker 1: as long as you remember in good standing, you could

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Speaker 1: get a job, which, to be clear, does involve a

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Speaker 1: monetary transaction. It costs fifty cents to join the i

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Speaker 1: w W at the time, which is half the price

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Speaker 1: of a job, and get to a whole lot of

502
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: other stuff. I feel like I'm advertising let everyone go

503
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Speaker 1: and join the i w W in nineteen or nine. Spoken.

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Speaker 1: If you are listening and you're in nineteen and nine, spoken,

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Speaker 1: head on down to the Union Hall. There's four different

506
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Speaker 1: locals to choose from. I don't even know why they

507
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: had four different branches, but they did and join up.

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Speaker 1: It's fifty cents our newspapers. I'm now I'm actually not

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Speaker 1: a meer Wobbly. The Wobbly still exist and I'm not

510
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Speaker 1: actually a member, but uh, pretending like I'm a nineteen

511
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Speaker 1: o nine wobbly. Our newspapers only thirty three cents. Well

512
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Speaker 1: in today money, it's a penny in old timing money.

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Speaker 1: And they set up a newspaper called The Industrial Worker,

514
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: which is not a very clever name, um, but it

515
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: was full of comics. Well that's cool and ads. This

516
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: is where I was gonna do an ad transition, but

517
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 1: it's it's the wrong time. So they did sell ads

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Speaker 1: to work clothes in local coffee shops. Capitalism on your

519
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: mind at all times, Margaret. Uh, there's a whole large

520
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: thing where people require the routine, um, let's say, importation

521
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: of food into their bodies that make them think about

522
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: where that money comes from. Also, I'm just really trying

523
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: to you know, I really want my podcast to do well.

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00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: So if I raise more money for you all, um,

525
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: then my podcast will do better. That's what you told me, right,

526
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: and then we that's right, yes, yes, that that that

527
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: that's how it will eventually work. Um. But you just

528
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: you really need to get another like six people under

529
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: you to start. But that's called your upline, Margaret um,

530
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: and that's really gonna increase your profits in what is

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00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: totally a legitimate business. Cool like cool zone. Okay, So thanks,

532
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: I make the jokes for Sophie. Um. So the wobbly

533
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: is in addition to having all this stuff at the

534
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: union hall, the main thing that they're doing is they

535
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: go right up to the employment agencies where all the

536
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: like workers are gathered around up front waiting to buy jobs.

537
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: And they're like, hey, I got an idea. What if

538
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: you don't buy a job. What if what if you

539
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: shouldn't have to pay to work? Imagine that? And and

540
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: they're like, if you want work, go to the union hall.

541
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Speaker 1: Give us fifty cents. It's actually not a grift, okay,

542
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: but they're like, you know, go join the union, we'll

543
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: get you jobs, will take care of you. And they

544
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: would also any time they heard about someone were robbing

545
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Speaker 1: the workers of their wages more directly, they would to

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Speaker 1: quote from an anonymous article and the industrial worker, it

547
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Speaker 1: is generally enough to send a few men from the

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Speaker 1: union hall to reason with the employment shark in the

549
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Speaker 1: case where he has robbed a victim, the employment shark

550
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Speaker 1: pays back the amount stolen. He has had a change

551
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: of heart. So their labor thugs, which also rules, Yeah,

552
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. Everybody needs thugs. And this was

553
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Speaker 1: essentially the first social power within Spokane, Washington, like a power,

554
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: you know, existing among the people, rather than the sort

555
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: of existing city infrastructure, even more importantly, the capital list infrastructure.

556
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: And they have thousands of members really fucking quick, and

557
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: every member's leader, and this scared the ship out of everyone.

558
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: Well not them, they liked it, but the employment agencies

559
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, all right, we have to stop free speech.

560
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: If we want to keep up our grift, we have

561
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: to stop people standing in front of our stores saying

562
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 1: it's a grift. So they band together they form the

563
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: Associated Agencies of Spokane. Oh so they've unionized too. That

564
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: it is cool that that is every like big union

565
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: fight story has the moment where like all of the

566
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: factory owners of the corporations or whatnot basically make a

567
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: union for themselves to fight back. Yep. And this is

568
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Speaker 1: why it's so embarrassing that isn't the a f l C.

569
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Speaker 1: I oh, that the cops are a union? Cop union

570
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: is part of I can't remember. I'll stop my head. Um, yeah,

571
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Speaker 1: I think so if a f l C. I, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's not you. I'm sorry I've slandered you in this

573
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: particular way. But yeah, no, yeah, exactly. The employers union

574
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Speaker 1: and the cop union are not fucking unions in the

575
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: same way that a workers union as a union. So

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00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: the associated agencies of a Spokane they just when you

577
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: read the like quick descriptions of this thing, they're like

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00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: they pressured city council to pass a law, and then

579
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Speaker 1: you read the actual articles from the time and it's

580
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: like bribed. They went up and said, here's a ton

581
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Speaker 1: of money past the following law. I mean, that is

582
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: literally how it works now. Like in the Portland is

583
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: dominated by a Portland Business Association. Most cities have a

584
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Speaker 1: business association that runs at least junk of the city.

585
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Speaker 1: In these what are called economic opportunity zones or whatever.

586
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: There's a couple of different names for them. They start

587
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: under the Reagan administration, but they're like areas where organizations

588
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: of small businesses basically get to decide how law enforcement

589
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: is employed sometimes hire their own cops in a few

590
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: cases hiring their own fucking d a's, and like, yeah,

591
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Speaker 1: as as a result, wind up in exercise saying like

592
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: massive influence over the entire way the city works. Like

593
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: it's all still this, right, It's still people with like

594
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: small and medium sized business is basically bribing city and

595
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Speaker 1: town council leaders and whatnot to institute laws and do

596
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: stuff like crackdown on the homeless in in Uh. Yeah,

597
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: it's it's cool. It's cool that that's that's always been

598
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: the same. Um, I'm sure, yeah, it's I guess the

599
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: big difference is that now there's no opposition to those groups,

600
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: like that's the default. You just kind of have to

601
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Speaker 1: pick your group of corporate interests in your town that

602
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: want the least shitty things for your town. Um. But

603
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, there's no no countervailing force at all. Yeah,

604
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: which is I mean, you know, it's like it's why

605
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: I do this podcast and why I talk about history

606
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: is like I think history is neat kind of for

607
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: its own sake, because it's just like grand narrative that's

608
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: even more intricate than like Lord of the Rings. But

609
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: more than that, it's like you look at this and

610
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, nothing fucking changes, you know, or things change.

611
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: We have motorcycles now. We do have motorcycles now, and

612
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: we can joust upon them with Edward Harris exactly, Um,

613
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: which I think is the solution to most of these problems.

614
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Speaker 1: And UM, I'm actually surprised the i w W did

615
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: as well as they did without Edward Harris. But they yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's like, that's like, why to

617
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Speaker 1: talk about these sorts of things from my point of view,

618
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: So we can see these patterns and then we can

619
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Speaker 1: see them in our own lives and we can look

620
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: at ship that people did that didn't didn't work. Um.

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Speaker 1: Business improvement districts, by the way, that's what they're okay, okay,

622
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: I got the term bids, sorry, bids bids bids. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So they bribe city council and they're like, let's have

624
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: an ordinance against street meetings and they're like, well, wait,

625
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: what about religious organizations And they're like no, no, no no, no,

626
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: they can do it. And they're like, well what about

627
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: these other things? No, no, no, they can do it.

628
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Speaker 1: Do you just mean the i w W. And they're like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we just mean panning, the i w W from from

630
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: organized and the i w W from letting people know

631
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: there's a scam in town. Yeah, exactly, And so the

632
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: ordinance passes. It passed in probably January first, nineteen o nine.

633
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Speaker 1: There's like different stories that claim exact dates that are different,

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Speaker 1: but my money's on January first, nineteen o nine. And

635
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: the mayor, of course of the town was a neutral

636
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: party because he owned boy. He as a wholesale timber

637
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: guy whose entire fortune was entirely based on the exploitation

638
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: of these workers. So he was yeah, yeah, that that

639
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: that that sounds unbiased. That's a guy who couldn't possibly

640
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: have an angle. Yeah, no, totally. I mean you know,

641
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: maybe someone even worse ran against him, who knows. Yeah,

642
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: but one guy was like, what if we just literally

643
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: put all the workers into this hole and set the

644
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: hole on fire. Yeah he was, he was. He was

645
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: in the ground beef industry, just trying to sell the

646
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: meat of the from the bones of the labor class exactly.

647
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: And so they're like, man, Pratt, he's our guy. He

648
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: just wants he doesn't think we should be eating. Yeah,

649
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: I like the cut of this man's job. And so okay,

650
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: at first, the i w W when this ordinance passes,

651
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: they're like, all right, we'll do our talking in the

652
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: meeting home. Um, and a lot of transient workers take

653
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,959
Speaker 1: off for harvest season, and they they're challenging in court

654
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: is the first thing they do, and they actually do

655
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: succeed at getting the courts to say, okay, you can't

656
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: ban only the iww from meeting in public, and so

657
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: it bans other groups, including most notably the Salvation Army,

658
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: who are religious organization who are still a problem today,

659
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: UM speaking of griffs. And they and they actually successfully

660
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: challenge it in the Court's like okay, you're right. And

661
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: instead of the court being like you're right, everyone should

662
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: have free speech, the judges like, you're right, no one

663
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: should have free speech, and they banned the Salvation Army

664
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: to except no one enforces it against the Salvation Army. Yeah. Yeah,

665
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean that that's you have a conversation about some

666
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: concerns I have with gun control. But yeah, that's that.

667
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: That is often the way this kind of ship works. Yeah. Yeah,

668
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: So the summer comes and goes, and you know, basically

669
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: it's all being fought in court, and it's not going

670
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: incredibly well. And in fall, the itinerant workers come back

671
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: to town. They're mostly coming back to town from basically

672
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: working summer jobs, and they kind of are like a

673
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: lot of workers come back into town and they're like,

674
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna take it easy for the winter

675
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: as best as they can. And so now their numbers

676
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: are bolstered, and they're like, all right, fuck it, it's on.

677
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: And there's four different IWW locals in town. Again, I've

678
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: literally no idea why. I guess just decentralization consus. Yeah,

679
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: that just that that seems consistent with what you say

680
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: saying yeah, And so they come to consensus and they're like,

681
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna call for a free speech fight.

682
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: And this isn't the first of these free speech fights.

683
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: They just want a really similar battle on a smaller

684
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: scale in Missoula, Montana. Missoula, Montana had outlawed streets speaking,

685
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: and hundreds of wobblies had poured into town on box

686
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 1: cars and they set up speaking all over the city.

687
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: They clogged the local jails, and they forced the city

688
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: to drop the ordinance. And they're like, all right, that's

689
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: how we fucking get it done. We're going to do

690
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: a replicable tactic. Yeah. Yeah, and so the first person

691
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 1: to get arrested on this new law, I thank again.

692
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: Different things claim different things. The wobbling named Jim Thompson.

693
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: He was dragged off to jail in October. Soap Boxing

694
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: and the Industrial Worker their their newspaper puts out a

695
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: call and basically they're like, hey, are you hoboes or

696
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: they also use the words bindle stiffs and timber beasts.

697
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know timber beasts. We ought to use timber

698
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: beasts more often. I agree that. I mean, honestly, that

699
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: just sounds cool when you're like someone new comes to

700
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: town and you're trying to stop them from moving there,

701
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: and you can be like, well, there's a lot of

702
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: timber beasts in the woods. Yeah. Then maybe they think

703
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: that you're talking about wolves, and so they they go

704
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 1: back home to Iowa. Yes, and then you can sell

705
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: them a a coyote pelt as if it's a wolf

706
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: a timber beast pelt. This is a thing that happened

707
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: to Margaret and I at at a Renaissance fair. We

708
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: didn't actually buy it, no, no, no, no, no. It

709
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 1: was immediate the obvious that it was a coyote belt. Yeah,

710
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: good on them, m um. Okay. So they're like, hey,

711
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: come to you know, hey, all you hobos come get arrested,

712
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: or to use their oh you timber beasts? Oh sorry,

713
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: are you timber beasts? Come and get arrested. And their

714
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: actual quote is the headline of their newspaper that they like,

715
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: the broadside they sent out across the country is wanted

716
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: men to fill the jails of Spokane. That's great. I

717
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: did see there was stuff like that at Standing Rock.

718
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: There was discussion like that at Standing Rock, which was, yeah,

719
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: it's an interesting tactic. I've like, I've done it on

720
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: a smaller scale, like for like a day where you know,

721
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: we expect a thousand people to get arrested, so we

722
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: all refuse to give our names when we get arrested,

723
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: and they like clogs up the jails and they're like,

724
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: funk this, get out of here, you know, um, which

725
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: is why I have been arrested twice and I've never

726
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: given my name. Um. I'm very proud of that. I

727
00:39:53,680 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: hope it stays though, and where would Okay? So uh,

728
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: and they send out this across the US, and I

729
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: think Canada and they say, show up for November two,

730
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: be prepared to be orderly. We're not going to riot,

731
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: but we're going to fucking get this ship then, and

732
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: the hope it is just pour in there's they're crammed

733
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: fifty to seventy people in a box car. Um and

734
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: that the uniform they're wearing, because nothing never changes their uniform.

735
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: These like anarchists and socialist hobos is black overalls and

736
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 1: or jumpers with black shirts, and they wear red ties,

737
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: and they have like they look like kind of like

738
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: working nerds, you know, because they're like they have like

739
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: um and they have like they have red ties, and

740
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: they have the Red Songbook in their pocket like other

741
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: i WWW books which are all like red covers and

742
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: ship they have IWW pins on their coat. Total fucking nerds.

743
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: And the train lines are mostly unionized, so all of

744
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: the union train operators, not all of them, A lot

745
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: of them turn a blind eye to the wobblies and

746
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: help them get where they're going, put them on the

747
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: right cars. Some of them wrap them out. Even some

748
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: of the unionized workers are like, I know how to

749
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: get a book? I can you know? I saw these

750
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: people out or whatever to deal with that yeah, and

751
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: they camp and make coffee, and the hobo jungles around

752
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: the train yards, which is where people like sleep in

753
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: camp before they get on freight trains. And sometimes they

754
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: head into whatever town they're on that whatever town they're

755
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: stopped in, and just like walk in and force and

756
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: start giving speeches to the workers and like selling wobbly merch.

757
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: It's just basically a tour um. They like make their

758
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: coffee money by selling the Little Red Songbook full of

759
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: all their songs, basically their mixed CD. And thousands of

760
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: them do this and they're off to spoken. This is

761
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: the tradition in which I wrote freight Trains. I wrote

762
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: freight Trains to go around and get arrested trying to

763
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: protest things. And it was formally launched on November two.

764
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: One by one, wobblies mounted and overturned crate their soapbox

765
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: and they would start talking and then get arrested. Um.

766
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: Usually once they got arrested, they were forced to run

767
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: the gauntlet between two lines of cops who beat them

768
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: with batons. They would plead guilty and then they would

769
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: get sentenced to thirty days of hard labor breaking rocks

770
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: for the crime of disorderly conduct. Anyone who has picked

771
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: out as a leader was given six months for conspiracy.

772
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: Some of them were facing five years in prison. Even

773
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: their attorneys kept getting arrested. That sounds above board, Yeah, totally. Yeah.

774
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: It was like they would get arrested for delivering letters

775
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: to their clients. You know, Um, but you know who

776
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: else would smuggle things into jail for you, Robert oh Well,

777
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: Ed Harris. Um. I I suspect that if I needed it,

778
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: Ed Harris would have my back. Um. And and we, Margaret,

779
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: do you know who Ed Harris is? I do, because

780
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: I watched this movie last night, this excellent movie. Margaret

781
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: showed it to us favorite movies of all time. If

782
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: you don't recognize Ed Harris, he's the guy in the

783
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: movie The Rock who lays the military commander who takes

784
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: over Alcatraz, And in the beginning of the movie you

785
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: see him at the grave site of his wife and

786
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: the only thing written on his wife's gravestone is just

787
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: his wife, not a name. It's awesome, Michael Bay No

788
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: one makes movies like that. Ridiculous. But if you want

789
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: to see him as an anti capitalist, basically a narco monarchist,

790
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: go go watch Night Riders because this show is brought

791
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: to you by George Romero. Smash it, Night Riders, Night Writers.

792
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: It didn't make any money, and neither do we. Here's

793
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: the ads. Okay, we are back, and we are talking

794
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: about people standing up on soapboxes to get arrested for

795
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: speaking their mind. And not all of them were orators,

796
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: because you know, their job was to get arrested, not

797
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: actually give speeches. And and then guess a lot of

798
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: a lot of mixed quality in the speech is going

799
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: out at these events. Oh yeah, also a lot of

800
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: variable levels of ability to communicate in English. Um, you

801
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: know about half of the people who get arrested are immigrants,

802
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: and some of them apparently go up and say fellow

803
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,479
Speaker 1: workers or even like mine workers, you know, like because

804
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: they're trying to shock Yeah, and then my German accent,

805
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: but I've been informed it's offensive okay, um okay, And

806
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, okay, ship, where are the cops

807
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: because that's all they knew how to say in English?

808
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: Maybe right, was my fellow workers? And you know, and

809
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: if the cop wasn't around to arrest them, um, they

810
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 1: were they were in trouble because they did not give talks.

811
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: Some of them actually were really good orators, and they

812
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: would bring out ringers. It was all very well orchestrated.

813
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't when I first heard this story, I sort

814
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: of imagined them all like dutifully lining up and the

815
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: cops are waiting, and like they'd stand up and they're

816
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: basically just talking to the cops and just getting sent

817
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: off one by one. Now, this whole thing is like

818
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: almost like free speech riot. They're like they run around

819
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: kind of undercover, and then they whenever they see a

820
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: group of workers, they like pop up on a soapbox

821
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: and start giving speeches. The crowd fights off the cops

822
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: for like ten minutes. Sometimes when the cops finally break through,

823
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: the people run into the crowd and get the funk

824
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: away so that they can keep doing it. Okay okay yea,

825
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: And they know they're going to get arrested eventually, but

826
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna make it easy for the police. Do as

827
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: many speeches, draw as much money out for them. Yeah,

828
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: it's good strategy, good texts, and so they would and

829
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: so like sometimes the crowd would give them signals like hey,

830
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: the cops are coming, um and yeah, all very well

831
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: planned and when they thought they had a chance of

832
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: actually a longer talk, they would send their better orators,

833
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: or when they needed to draw a crowd, they'd send

834
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,919
Speaker 1: the people with like the booming voices that would bring

835
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: people from all over. Um, it's very hard to imagine

836
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: this in modern context to me, Like, I just struggle

837
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: to imagine me standing on a corner full of people

838
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: and talking and having anyone do anything besides me throw

839
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: a coin at me, Margaret. People didn't have phones or

840
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: TVs back then, So I feel like a big missing

841
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: piece in all these stories is there was not much

842
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: going on. Like when we talk about why don't we

843
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: do this cool ship today, it's, well, there are video games,

844
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: like people do have like have activities. Back then, it

845
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: was like, well, we have like an hour and a

846
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: half before we die of cholera, and there's there's nothing

847
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: to watch or listen to and we can't read. So

848
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: I guess we'll go fight for civil rights. Yeah, totally, totally. Um, sorry,

849
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: that's not fair, but but but but but like, yeah,

850
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: people are way more engaged with whatever it is that

851
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: they're immediately doing when they're on the street. Right now.

852
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: The thing that's serious about this is. I don't think

853
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: it's not a factor that there was a lot less

854
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: of of things that you could fill your time with

855
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: back then. Yeah, totally. At least one person was arrested

856
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: for speaking through a window to people outside the building.

857
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: They were allowed to be in the building, but they

858
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: just like saying hey, fellow workers out the window. The

859
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: cops like break in and arrest them. Um. Other wobblies

860
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: start getting arrested just walking down the street if they're

861
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: recognized as wobblies, and they're like held for days while

862
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: the cops sit around try and figure out what charges

863
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: they can throw at them. Eight kids get arrested, Eight

864
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: wobbly kids aged eight to sixteen who were like newsboys

865
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: who would sell the newspapers. Yeah. Um, they get arrested

866
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: and thrown in jail for a night and they're given

867
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: rough interrogations in quotes at all hours. Um. One of

868
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: the kids, his wobbly parents almost lost custody of him

869
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: for being socialists. Uh. The judge was like, the union

870
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: hall isn't I'm not quoting, but I'm pretending like I'm quoting.

871
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: The union hall is not a place where any reputable

872
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: woman would hang out. But this piste off everyone in town,

873
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: and so everyone in town shows up the next day

874
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: at court and it's like flooded with women who are like,

875
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: fuck you, I want to go to the Union home now.

876
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: You can't fucking tell me at a parent my fucking kids. Yeah,

877
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 1: And and that kind of vibe is what really gets

878
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: every and through this, and the juvenile cases are dropped

879
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: after all the women in town just show up and

880
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: are like, fuck off, you can't fucking take people's kids

881
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: away for you know, being wobblies. One man, he decides

882
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: to troll, so he gets up on soapbox and he

883
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: reads the Declaration of Independence. Oh, you don't want to

884
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: be doing that. He gets thirty days at the rock pile. Yeah. Yeah,

885
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: I mean a good third of our founding fathers would

886
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: have been happy with that. Yes, that is true. And

887
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: and what's interesting is because all of this is framed

888
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: and a lot of their you know, public facing stuff,

889
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: they're like, we are here fighting for free speech. That

890
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: was very explicit, and they're like, the right of free

891
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: speech is guaranteed by the Constitution, and that was like

892
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: part of their demands. But they were fighting for free

893
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: speech because free speech is their weapon. Against capitalism, not

894
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: just as this abstract love for the U. S. Constitution. Uh.

895
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: In a l edition of The Industrial Worker, one Wobbli

896
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 1: puts it like this, The fights for free speech conducted

897
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: by the I w W throughout the American continent have

898
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: a greater meaning than appears upon the surface. They signify

899
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: a distrust of legal methods for obtaining redress for the

900
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: wrongs inflicted upon a slave class. In these fights, the

901
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: workers do not stand upon their quote constitutional rights, for

902
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: they are aware of the fact that they have no

903
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: rights save those which they're organized power and forces. True,

904
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: they may use phrases during the progress of the battles,

905
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: but merely as a means of showing the rest of

906
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: the workers the folly of relying upon phrases written upon

907
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 1: musty pieces of parchment by slaveholding labor skinners of the past.

908
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: The principal point in all these fights is seen when

909
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: the settlement takes place. For then it is that the

910
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: master class, with all their powers, forced to deal with

911
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: the workers not as individuals, not as part of capitalist society,

912
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: but as a new power. And I just like that,

913
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: because it's like it's They're like, no, we are a

914
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: a power and we are going to take power and

915
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: exercise power, you know. And and the tool that they're

916
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,959
Speaker 1: using for that is free speech. So that's why they're

917
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: fighting for free speech. Yeah, I mean this is this again.

918
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: It's kind of everything is so fucking fragmented now I

919
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: think we can thank technology for But like, there used

920
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: to be this attitude among the left that like workers

921
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: were a power the same way or should be a

922
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: power like that was the goal to make the power

923
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: of the ways in the same way as any nation

924
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: state was Like that was that was the I think

925
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: a lot of it died with World War One because

926
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: there was this expectation among a lot of socialists that like,

927
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: such a thing couldn't happen because the workers wouldn't let

928
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: themselves be turned against each other in that way. But yeah,

929
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: and that ties into the Wobblies a lot, because one

930
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: they're called the Industrial Workers of the World even though

931
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: their US Union um, because they fucking believe in internationalism,

932
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: and because World War One recks their ship. Yeah, it

933
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: turns out. Look, I'm normally in favor of shooting archdukes.

934
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, Like I don't I don't have

935
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: any hatred for shoot the archduke. But it doesn't always

936
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:07,479
Speaker 1: work out shooting the archduke, you know, now, shoot carefully.

937
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 1: I think that one of the main lessons of history

938
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 1: is random bombs and random violence. Alright, fucking crap. Shoot, yeah,

939
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: and probably a worse than like overall, worse than good. Um,

940
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: if they're not especially if they're not tied. Well, I

941
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: don't know, Margaret, you know, let's let's get a secondary opinion.

942
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: I've invited on the show roughly half of the young

943
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: men in Western Europe in nineteen fourteen. Oh no, no,

944
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I don't hear anybody. It looks like they

945
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 1: may have missed the email. Probably got tuberculos. I don't

946
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: think that's what happened. The only way that I think

947
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: I didn't more people die of disease in World War

948
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: One than bullets. I can't remember. Well, it was about equal,

949
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: I think during the war, and then after the war

950
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: like that many people again died or something like that.

951
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm not because there was like Spanish COVID, the influential, yeah, COVID,

952
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: the influential influence the epidemic. But I mean, as a

953
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: general rule, up until like sixty years ago, you were

954
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: like at least as many dead from various diseases. Yeah,

955
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: but the influenzer's yeah on Instagram. Okay, wow, wow, so

956
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: they I think we have to cancel Margaret for that one. Nope, wow,

957
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't cancel Margaret Killjoy. It's just like

958
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 1: Twitter can uncancellable. Oh no, this is not a fight

959
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: I want to bring upon myself. The only fight we

960
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: have against social media right now is Mark Zuckerberg just

961
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: suspending me on Instagram for this is I feel like

962
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: he almost might be a bastard. Yeah, this is the pause.

963
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: We're going to get the workers of the world back

964
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: together and getting Sophie Backer. I just want to be

965
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: able to post pictures of puppies, podcasts and plants puppies

966
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: on internet. It yeah, Zuck, I feel okay. Well, I

967
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: actually it's probably not the right time for burning the

968
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: Reichstag jokes. So after two days, after two days of this,

969
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty Wobblies are in jail, and after a month,

970
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: six of them are in jail. About half of them

971
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: are immigrants, half of them are US born, and the

972
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: courts are full every single day with labor cases, um

973
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: and the they closed the courts, so a lot of

974
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: them anyway, so people can't come in. One local man

975
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: who wasn't even a wobbly he tried to get into

976
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: the courtroom. He didn't realize I think he I think

977
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: it's maybe comprehension of English wasn't good, or something happened.

978
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: He tried to walk in, and he was beaten so badly.

979
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: His screams echoed throughout the halls of justice as he

980
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: tried to enter. Okay, I mean that does sound pretty bad.

981
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: But that guy was probably no angel. Yeah, that's right.

982
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: We don't We don't know anything about him. He could

983
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: have he probably started World War One, yeah, or worse,

984
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: he might have been Irish or Italian, yeah, or from

985
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: one of the Swabian countries. Yeah. Yeah, Okay. One of

986
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,439
Speaker 1: the heartbreaking things about all of this is that I think,

987
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: like a really good chunk of the wobblies are Irish,

988
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: and a really good junk of the cops are throwing

989
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: him in jail or Irish, yeah, which is what the

990
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: Irish diaspora is never quite really reckoned with. Yeah. There's

991
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: actually some good speeches on that from Irish rebels who

992
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: like did stuff like go to the United States to

993
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: support the black panthers, and we're like, I don't know

994
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: what the funk happened to everybody who moved over to

995
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: your goddamn country. But there are a lot less base

996
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: than they ought to be um. So when they get sentenced,

997
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: they all get thirty days in jail, except the ones

998
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: who get six months or five years or whatever. And

999
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: they get sentenced to break rocks. But the wobblies did

1000
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: not want to break rocks. Actually, they said, we're happy

1001
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: to break rocks. We demand union wages for our rock

1002
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: breaking duties. And they were like, okay, fine, no breaking rocks. Instead,

1003
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: you are nished with rations of bread and water and

1004
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: no time out of yourselves. But it put the Chain

1005
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: Gang of Spokane out of commission while they were there,

1006
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: because basically, the cops in that town had just been

1007
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: kind of whenever they needed unpaid labor. There's must be

1008
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: some other word for it, but we'll just use unpaid

1009
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: labor to come up with another word for unpaid labor

1010
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 1: that's still written into our constitution. They would just arrest

1011
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: drunks and get free labor for construction out of these

1012
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: drunks by putting them on the chain gang. But all

1013
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: of the random arrestees were basically set free because the

1014
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: jail is full of wobblis and so no more chain

1015
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: gang in town. The leaders and a lot of the

1016
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: other people, they go on hunger strike. And this is

1017
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: a new political tactic. It's the first time it's used

1018
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: in the US as far as I can tell. The

1019
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: idea of just refusing food while you're in jail. Um.

1020
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: And they were tortured in jail. All jail is torture.

1021
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: Jail is full of horrors right now. But several of

1022
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 1: them died during their thirty days stay Jesus. They were

1023
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: they were given only bread and water. The bread was

1024
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: thrown onto the floor for them that each got half

1025
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: a loaf of bread per day. A lot of them

1026
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: got scurvy and like lost heath um whenever the wild.

1027
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: You have to assume their their nutrition levels weren't ideal beforehand.

1028
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: To there's this, there's this part. It didn't make into

1029
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: the script, but like someone smuggles in an onion and

1030
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: cuts it into sixty three separate pieces, so that everyone

1031
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: gets an equal share of the one onion that they've

1032
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: like risk their fucking life to smuggle in and whenever

1033
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: the wildlies make a fuss, the cops closed the windows

1034
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: and turn on the steam heat and just like cook

1035
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: them and then drop them into the immediate cold. It's

1036
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: very cold and spoken in the winter. And this is

1037
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: what kills them, right, A lot of them dry die

1038
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: of pneumonia. And this is, by the way, a tactic

1039
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: that is used prominently, has been used up into through

1040
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: the nineties, and I think even later than that, in

1041
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: the early two thousand's, police in large junks of Canada

1042
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,919
Speaker 1: would do this indigenous people, not just you know, people

1043
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: who are like protesting. Yeah, protesting makes it okay, but

1044
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: just like random like is a random act of murder. Essentially,

1045
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: you can move about like midnight rides. I think they

1046
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: were called um and during the two fourteen risings in

1047
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: Ukraine against the want to be dictator Yunakovich, his riot

1048
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: police the beer kut one of the things they would

1049
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: do when they would get people that kind of isolated

1050
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,919
Speaker 1: sections of the line or protest camps or people driving

1051
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: in supplies as they would take them, strip them naked

1052
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: and throw them in snow drifts like it's a it's

1053
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: a yeah, a great, great tactic. I'm yeah, good stuff. Yeah,

1054
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: I've I've been at demonstration where some of the people

1055
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: who arrested they singled out black arrestees, put them in

1056
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: dog cages and sprayed them naked with freezing water. Um

1057
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: and Jesus yeah um. Miami the ft A protests in

1058
00:57:53,400 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: two thou three prisoners were treated real fucking bad um

1059
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: and anyway, sorry um okay. So they got packed ten

1060
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: to twelve people into cells designed for four people, and

1061
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: so they couldn't sit or lie down. Right, You're stuck

1062
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: for like months standing up in a fucking cell. Uh.

1063
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: But while they were in jail, they would like have

1064
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: their wobbly business meetings because they're all leaders and they're

1065
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: all in jail together, so what the funk else are

1066
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: you gonna do? They like plan things out, They have

1067
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: prayer meetings. Uh, they give lectures, they sing revolutionary songs

1068
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: the whole time. They work really hard to keep all

1069
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: their spirits up. Did the jail fills up quick? And

1070
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: soon they're they're the extra arrestees are taken to this. Basically,

1071
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: there's an abandoned schoolhouse in town that once the hey,

1072
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: let's fill the jails started happening, the city is like okay,

1073
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: and they prepare this unheeded, fucking abandoned schoolhouse to be

1074
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: with no bathing facilities, to be the new jail. And

1075
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: so they get thrown into empty classrooms with threadbare blankets

1076
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: and only newspaper to sleep on. Most of them were lumberjacks,

1077
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: and so most of them had warm clothes that they

1078
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: were arrested in, and those without warm clothes this is

1079
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: really sweet. Uh, they would sleep in the middle so

1080
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: that everyone else would keep them warm. And then when

1081
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: that got full up, because you know, the whole plan

1082
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: was we're going to fill out the jail, so they

1083
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: kept to have to find new jails, right, and so

1084
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: then they start putting them into a military site called

1085
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: Fort Right, and Fort Right was was had a black garrison,

1086
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: and the wobblies who were stationed that were treated way

1087
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: the funk better than the wobblies who were in the

1088
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: jail and the schoolhouse. And it actually wasn't a federal

1089
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: decision to turn the federal fort into a fucking prison

1090
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: for like state offenses or city offenses. And the local

1091
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: commander had completely ignored the chain of command in order

1092
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: to do this because he hated these fucking hoboes, and

1093
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: so he actually got dismissed from his post because he

1094
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,479
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to turn his fucking command into a jail

1095
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: mhm um. Eventually, the prisoners in the schoolhouse they get

1096
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: marched and masked the jailhouse to bathe. I think it's

1097
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: after like almost a fucking month, and and they've been

1098
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: completely cut off from communications from the outside world besides

1099
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: like a conservative newspaper that they get shown every now

1100
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: and then, literally because it says like the Wobblies have lost,

1101
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: We're winning, even though it's like exactly not what's happening.

1102
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: And so they've been stuck together in this tiny schoolhouse

1103
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: and they're like, what the fund is gonna happen? They're

1104
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: gonna they basically are like, we're gonna like death march

1105
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: you a mile to the jail and then hose you off. Um.

1106
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: And they're like, what the fund is gonna happen when

1107
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: we go outside? And they go outside and they're immediately

1108
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: greeted not with an angry mob, but a fucking like

1109
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: like people like lined up to cheer them on. All

1110
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: of the towns people come out, they throw them tobacco,

1111
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: fruit cake wrapped up sandwiches. They throw all the ship

1112
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: into the crowd of them, and so they start gathering

1113
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: up all this stuff and they're they're they're eating it,

1114
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: and the cops are like, oh, no, you don't. They

1115
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: start confiscating all the ship, and the crowd is, oh, yes,

1116
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: they fucking do, and the cops are like, oh, we're

1117
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: severely outnumbered. I guess these people can eat their food,

1118
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: because if we don't let them, we'll probably not have

1119
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: any prisoners anymore and we might be dead. It's amazing

1120
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: how that works. Yeah, yeah, I mean jail support baby.

1121
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: One of the I mean up to the up to

1122
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: the present moment the uprisings in one of the most

1123
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: important pieces of activism anyone did in any of the

1124
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: cities that had serious BLM activity in twenty was was

1125
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: jail support. Was going out to find the people who

1126
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: were who had gotten arrested and like greet them when

1127
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: they leave, make sure they have the things they need,

1128
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: they have transport. People often get released basically naked without

1129
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: their phones and ship like. Um. This is still a

1130
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: big deal to this day, although usually it doesn't get

1131
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: to be as cool as this because the cops have

1132
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: gotten smarter than just walking everybody out in the middle

1133
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: of the city. Yeah, the cops actually get smarter than

1134
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: that after this and they start driving back and forth

1135
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: after that. Um. But but yeah, no, totally, like, um,

1136
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: you know, and even if you don't smoke and you

1137
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: hate people hate smokers, like bring cigarettes, right yeah, Like, um,

1138
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: when you're waiting outside for people to get out of jail,

1139
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: bring whatever stuff they might want, not what you want

1140
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: them to want. That that's one of those that's good

1141
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: advice because it's kind of other people. But like, as

1142
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: a general rule, anytime I'm going into any sort of

1143
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: situation that's like violence or there's just been violence, or

1144
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: it's it's a dicey place, I'm always going to bring

1145
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: a pack of cigarettes because, among other things, like a

1146
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: hell of a lot of time you can calm people

1147
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: down who are agitated with like do you want a cigarette?

1148
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: Do you smoke? Like something like that. It works, It

1149
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: works an awful lot of the time. Um. It's people

1150
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: sometimes just need to take a minute, which is why

1151
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: cigarettes are so popular all over the world. Totally. Yeah,

1152
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: we yeah, the Elk Fork John Brown gun Club people

1153
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: were just talking about, like, yeah, of the things we

1154
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: do that, like the City Outreach doesn't do is that

1155
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: along with food and help with people moving their stuff,

1156
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: Like we'll bring them smokes because like it's it helps

1157
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: calm people down. There's a lot of like folks who

1158
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: use it to sort of self medicate for one thing

1159
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: or another. And if they're living on the street, they

1160
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: don't have a whole lot of other options. So yeah, like,

1161
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: no charity is gonna want to bring them cigarettes, but

1162
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: it is what people fucking want, and yeah, it's yeah, anyway, whatever,

1163
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: this is enough of it. No, I don't actually smoke.

1164
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: I just see the utility of cigarettes sometimes. Yeah. Same,

1165
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: It's like I kind of want all my friends to

1166
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: quit smoking. But I'm also like, yeah, whatever, like you

1167
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: do you when it comes to this kind of ship,

1168
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: you know? Yeah, okay. So and as they're as they're

1169
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: marching off to jail, one woman starts singing a wobbly

1170
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: song from a porch of a privately owned house that

1171
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: she has permission to be at. It might even be

1172
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: her house, I'm not sure. And she gets arrested for

1173
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,479
Speaker 1: singing a wobbly song on her own porch and gets

1174
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: thirty days in jail for disorderly conduct. When they get

1175
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: to the jail. The bathing is that they're hosed down

1176
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: with scalding water and then freezing water in rapids secession. Um.

1177
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: At one point whether in jail, the Salvation Army shows

1178
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: up and tries to proselytize to the jailed Wobblies, and

1179
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: then they just get booed and jeered at until they

1180
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: leave because and they're not even anti religious as far

1181
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: as I can tell, I think overall the Wobblies tend

1182
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: to skew a little bit towards atheism. But I was

1183
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: reading about them having prayer meetings in the fucking jail.

1184
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: And then one woman who um went to jail I

1185
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: think ten times during this fight was a woman named

1186
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, and she's nineteen at the time. She's

1187
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: a young, fiery socialist Wobbly organizer, and she wants to

1188
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: give a speech right but she doesn't want to get

1189
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: hauled off to jail right away, so she chains herself

1190
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: to a post so that she can give She gets

1191
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: a good ten minutes in before they managed to like

1192
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: unchain her, cut the chains or something drag her off

1193
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: to jail. She ends up going up on conspiracy charges

1194
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: as one of the one of the organizers and basically

1195
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: just gives the investig it's lip instead of answering. They're like,

1196
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: did you say the following things? And she's like, I

1197
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: say a lot of things. A lot of women were

1198
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: arrested as well as men, because the IWW actually bothered

1199
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: to organize women, and therefore they organized was organized also

1200
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: by women. A lot of the women who were arrested,

1201
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: they were arrested directly at the i w W hall.

1202
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: I think fewer of them were the speakers as far

1203
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: as I can tell, and more of them were like

1204
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: organizers back at the hall, and the hall just kept

1205
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: getting rated. It got rated so much that eventually the

1206
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: cops just stationed four cops inside the hall to like

1207
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: keep track of what everyone said, because apparently free speech

1208
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: also doesn't apply in the hall. Yeah, it kind of

1209
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like they haven't, and so they wind up

1210
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: evicted from their hall that they're up on the rent.

1211
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: But basically the cops were like, yeah, we're gonna beat

1212
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: the ship out of you, landlords if you don't evict

1213
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: these people. And they go through place after place and

1214
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: people are is like, no, I can't rent to you.

1215
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: The cops are threatening me too hard. Until the German

1216
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: immigrant Association called the Turners, which was basically a gymnastic

1217
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: association for German immigrants. They're like, we're not afraid of

1218
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: the cops, and they rent to the Wobblies. The women's

1219
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: cells are less crowded, but they saw something even worse

1220
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: than what the men were facing. Most of the wobblies

1221
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: in jail were sex workers. Um. And soon Elizabeth Flynn

1222
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,959
Speaker 1: realized that the sheriff had turned it into it gets

1223
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: called a brothel. Whatever you do, yep, it is not

1224
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: sex work if it is not a job, if it's cosy, yeah, so,

1225
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: and the cops were going around and soliciting customers and

1226
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: keeping all of the money. Um. And and then there's

1227
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: some graphic accounts that I won't read of attempted rape

1228
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: by the interrogators against the arrested wobbly women as well.

1229
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,919
Speaker 1: And so this actually ends up being a lynch pin

1230
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: in the fight, even though this hadn't really happened to

1231
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: the wobblies as much. The wobbly see this happening. Elizabeth

1232
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: Flynn in particular sees this happen, and so immediately she

1233
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: gets out and she tells the world was happening right

1234
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: through the industrial worker, and the newspaper had been publishing

1235
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: the whole time, even though every single time they put

1236
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: out an issue, the editor would get arrested. Um. But

1237
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: since every Wobble as a leader, every Wobble is a

1238
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: potential editor, they went through eight editors, are eight different issues,

1239
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: and and how over how eight issues? Yeah, yess monthly? Um,

1240
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: and as he or actually I think it's more than monthly.

1241
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: Might actually be weekly, I think because by December, Elizabeth

1242
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: Flynn lays out her charges against the police that they

1243
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: are doing this horrendous thing. Um, and the cops immediately

1244
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: confiscate all the papers and like burn them and impound everything.

1245
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: And they're like, go fucking wild on it, And so

1246
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: they move the newspaper to Seattle so that they can

1247
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: keep publishing. Because this is the like, this is the

1248
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: step too far, This is the like yeah, oh fuck

1249
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, um, because she's telling the world about this,

1250
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: Any human who has told the story, I would hope

1251
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: would react very negatively. Now, Margaret, it does sound like

1252
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: a reoccurring theme here, is that the right to free

1253
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: speech exists only in so far as you have control

1254
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: of the people whose job it is to hurt people

1255
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: in your society, whether either you fight them or you

1256
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: pay their salaries. But one way or the other, free

1257
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: speech doesn't exist otherwise for other groups. Yep, that's cool.

1258
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: And also free speech it exists in as much as

1259
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: we own the means by which to produce and distribute speech. No, no, no,

1260
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 1: but that's not right, because we have free speech here

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Speaker 1: in the United States. And I'm pretty sure that I

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Speaker 1: have never seen police officers slam a kid's head into

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Speaker 1: the concrete for holding a sign. Yeah, yeah, no, I

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Speaker 1: mean that would be yeah wild, that would be that

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Speaker 1: would be that would be really that would be really

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Speaker 1: fucked up. Actually, if that had happened anyway, And we

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Speaker 1: don't have to pay for podcasts, we just choose to.

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Speaker 1: Uh it's you pay to have your podcast produced by

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Speaker 1: cool Zone Media by going through me. Um, then I

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Speaker 1: get to pay, I get I get to play Robert

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Speaker 1: who gets to pay Sophie and folks, if you really

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Speaker 1: want to learn the secrets podcasting could have made us

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Speaker 1: all you knew it, you We're we're We're doing a

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Speaker 1: convention at the Marriott at the Airport Marriott in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: So just come on down. It is three days of

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Speaker 1: workshops and motivational speeches. It is steal dollars. That's all

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Speaker 1: dollars per person, plus sixteen fifty for meals lunches and

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Speaker 1: breakfasts and dinners not included. Um. And of course you

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Speaker 1: know you're eight hundred and fifty dollar per night room fee. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, you'll you'll guaranteed guaranteed path to riches in

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Speaker 1: the podcasting visits. Just just hop on over barely sixty

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Speaker 1: dollars if you buy the Ultra Express tickets which come

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Speaker 1: with a coffee mug. Hit We're for me. And I

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Speaker 1: wasn't paid to say this, that's right. She'd have to

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Speaker 1: tell you if she was. Yeah, that's the being a cop. Hm. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Flynn girle Is Girley Flynn is a very interesting

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Speaker 1: person of her own right. She goes on to do

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that I have not yet fully

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Speaker 1: wrapped my head around how I feel about her, because

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Speaker 1: she got kicked out of the Wobblies for kind of

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Speaker 1: leading to some people to bumplead deal. But then she

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Speaker 1: founded the a c l U, and then she joined

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Speaker 1: the Communist Party, and then She got kicked out of

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Speaker 1: the a c l U when the when Soviet Russia

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Speaker 1: became allies with Germany at THEE when they signed a

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Speaker 1: non aggression pact with Germany, and the a c l

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Speaker 1: U was like, we don't trust people who are siding

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Speaker 1: with the Nazi, so you're all kicked out. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how I feel about any of the ship. I

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Speaker 1: just read about her. She's very interesting as Honestly, I

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Speaker 1: don't entirely know how I feel about the A c

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Speaker 1: l U today because they also have kind of a

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Speaker 1: mixed bag of a history. But so she's she's a

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Speaker 1: she's a complicated figure, but is uncomplicated that she solve

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Speaker 1: this ship and told the world about it at great

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Speaker 1: personal risk, and I believe went out and got arrested

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Speaker 1: again after seeing that ship. So based and that's where

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Speaker 1: we're going to leave it for today. The Wobblies are

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Speaker 1: in jail. They're fighting hard as funk for the right

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Speaker 1: to organize, the right to free speech, because that's what

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Speaker 1: the right to free speeches is, the right to organize. Um, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I don't think too much about the

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Speaker 1: fact that free speech only exists in so far as

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Speaker 1: you're able to stop people with weapons from ceasing stopping

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Speaker 1: you from exercising free speech. Don't think about the fact

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Speaker 1: that that's the only way in which people get to

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Speaker 1: actually guarantee they're able to speak their minds. Think instead

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Speaker 1: about our upcoming convention in Milwaukee, Wisconsin three days for

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Speaker 1: First through the five called the Secret of Free Speech

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Speaker 1: and Moral Enlightenment. Yeah. But actually both of you have

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Speaker 1: books from a k Press. Is that is that correct?

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Speaker 1: Like non sarcastic books, but actual books, non sarcastic books. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we do, Margaret, and I did co author the book

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Speaker 1: The Secret to Regaining Your Freedom of Speech, which is

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Speaker 1: just pictures of a Molotov cocktail. They're very nice. It's

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Speaker 1: a it's a it's very well photographed. It's a coffee

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Speaker 1: table book. It's a coffee table book. But but but actually,

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Speaker 1: you can get Robert's book after the Revolution wherever you

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Speaker 1: buy books, right, Robert, That is something that I've been told. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you can get it if you google a k Press

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Speaker 1: after the Revolution, or find any website that sells you

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Speaker 1: books and type in the title and and your book

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Speaker 1: is officially available for pre order right now, right Margaret, Yes,

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Speaker 1: unless Oh, yes, you have one day left of preorder.

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Speaker 1: If you want a little piece of art that I

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Speaker 1: think is really by the same cover artists. Who's who

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Speaker 1: did the cover of my book, Cassandra John's And if

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Speaker 1: you want that, you have one day to pre order.

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Speaker 1: We won't be here tomorrow from a K Press or

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Speaker 1: other participating bookstores which are mostly like collectively owned or

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Speaker 1: really cool Boxcar Books, Red Emmas and Um, Firestorm Books

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Speaker 1: and calf Coffee. Actually there's no coffee a Firestorm Books

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Speaker 1: and Coffee anymore, so I think it's just Firestorm Books,

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Speaker 1: cool bring around coffee and uh, you know you can't

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Speaker 1: follow me on Instagram unless Suckerberg has given it back

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Speaker 1: and hopefully he's been canceled for her many crimes. It's

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Speaker 1: buck soccerbo Um. But we'll be back on Wednesday. We're

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Speaker 1: with you car too good. I hope they win. I

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Speaker 1: think they will. Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is

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Speaker 1: a production of cool Zone Media, but more podcasts and

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Speaker 1: cool Zone Media. Visit our website cool zone media dot com,

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Speaker 1: or check us out on the preadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. M HM