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Speaker 2: Three are back. I am Dale Lolly, he is Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and this is our number two of the Drive

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Speaker 2: here on the Steelers Audio Network. And Matt Dame Brugler

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Speaker 2: has come out with his top one. Yeah in this

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Speaker 2: and of course you can follow Dane at the Athletic.

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Speaker 2: He does great work there, puts out the beast every year.

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Speaker 2: We'll have him. He's digging, join us at the combatail down. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but let's get into his top one hundred here, we'll

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Speaker 2: hit the high points.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll on need comment one hundred different players.

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Speaker 2: Right. The top ten is Travis Hunter, Abdull Carter, Jalen

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Speaker 2: Walker three for him. Yeah, he seems to really picking

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Speaker 2: up steam. Mason grahmm at four, save Ashton Genty at five.

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Speaker 2: If you're doing a top list, I mean he's the

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Speaker 2: first offensive player. Yeah, that's true unless you count hunless

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Speaker 3: Six is Will Campbell. I think that's underwhelming. I mean

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Speaker 3: it's best lineman.

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Speaker 2: Seven is Tetoroe McMillan, eight, armand Membo.

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Speaker 3: I saw that. It was a little shock that he

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Speaker 3: was that high. Some people seem to adore him.

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Speaker 2: Nine is Shamar Stewart, Okay, traits Ten is Tyler Warren.

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Speaker 2: That's fine with me.

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Speaker 3: I think he's maybe he's not the tenth pick in

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Speaker 3: the draft, but he's one of the top ten prospects.

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Speaker 2: But you don't see there are any of the quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: and the quarterbacks so these are just ranks, you know,

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Speaker 2: what grade you have on them.

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Speaker 3: And I would argue, I bet most years a lot

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Speaker 3: of those guys wouldn't even be in the top ten.

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Speaker 3: It's not a great, you know, elite.

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Speaker 2: Used to be the case when when the Steelers took

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Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett in the first round a few years ago,

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Speaker 2: everybody's I can't believe there's no more quarterbacks in the

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Speaker 2: first round. That used to happen all the time. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Like it wasn't a regular, you know, occurrence that quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: get pushed way up the board until really the last

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Speaker 2: more and more and more. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: At my point, though, is the ten names you just listed,

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Speaker 3: I don't know that would a lot of them would

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Speaker 3: be in a top ten last year, the year before

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Speaker 3: the year before, you know, I mean it's not a

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Speaker 3: great good players are not great players, right, I mean McMillan,

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Speaker 3: the player Jamar Chase was coming out. I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: You know, he has Colston Lovelin at eleven, so two

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Speaker 2: tight ends at the top top eleven, Mike Green at twelve,

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Speaker 2: Will Johnson at thirteen, Malachi starts at fourteen. We finally

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Speaker 2: get to our first quarterback at fifteen. Cam Ward Board's

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Speaker 2: his favorite. Yeah good. I tend to agree with Dane

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Speaker 2: and I think he's one of the best evaluators I

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Speaker 2: think there. And he didn't cheat. He didn't put Shadarur

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Speaker 2: Sanders right after him.

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Speaker 3: That's a common trick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't get to Schadur Sanders. He's Josh Simmons

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Speaker 2: at seventeen, Tyler Booker at eighteen, Derek Harmon at nineteen twenty.

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Speaker 2: I need to reevaluate Harmon. I need to look more

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Speaker 2: at him too, right. I wasn't overwhelmed. It wasn't what

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Speaker 2: I've seen of him. But boy, a lot of people

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Speaker 2: have him in this neighborhood. He's got the traits. He's

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Speaker 2: six pounds and I mean, if we love Nolan, is

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Speaker 2: he similar? Maybe I wish you had been seenable. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: James Pierce at twenty one, Calvin Banks at twenty two.

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Speaker 2: So another offensive tackle there. But again, I'm not overwhelming.

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Speaker 3: Now he's a first round player, but he's not. I

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Speaker 3: don't think he's a alt or somebody like that. I'd

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Speaker 2: Yeah, g Hud Campbell at twenty three, Euba at twenty four. Sure,

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Speaker 2: there were Sanders all the way down at twenty five.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's crazy. I don't think it is either.

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Speaker 2: I mean, from what I've seen of him, I would

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Speaker 2: definitely take three and maybe all six first round quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: last year over him. Here's the thing, Dame Liss. His

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Speaker 3: Under two hundreds a little. You take a beating over

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Speaker 2: Especially when you're not He's not Jaylen Milroe. Oh, he's

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Speaker 3: Run athletes in terms of running. I mean, he's he's

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Speaker 2: He's tua. I think he's breeze. Yeah, exactly, A great call. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Kenneth Grant comes in at twenty six. Okay, I think

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Speaker 2: know the negatives on Nolan. I've seen some stuff that

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Speaker 2: Thirty one is Josh Connery and then thirty two Chevon Revel.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so his corners are worth considering from twenty one

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Speaker 2: Yahavone. Revel's big enough. He fits what they're looking for.

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Speaker 2: Just missing were Tyler Williams, Donald Van Jackson, Caleb Johnson.

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Speaker 2: That's his second running back, Summer two running back for him,

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Speaker 2: Amario and Hampton right after him at thirty six. So

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Speaker 2: three running backs in the top thirty six.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's quite a few in his top hundred.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Mason Taylor the third tight end is at seven.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty high for Mason Taylor. But I was really

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Speaker 3: impressed as Senior Bowl, and the more I watch him,

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Speaker 3: I like him a lot.

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Speaker 2: Grey's Abel comes in at thirty eight. Elijah Rojo at

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Speaker 2: thirty nine. So four tight ends and you're top thirty nine.

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Speaker 2: It's quickly. It's making a push for running back his

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if you could, what if you could

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Speaker 3: trade down from twenty one to twenty nine and still

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Speaker 3: get Baron?

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Speaker 2: Good? Now you're talking, he's he feels a lot of ease.

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Speaker 2: He's for me if I'm going to take a defensive

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Speaker 2: here tackle to a Maloa at forty one. Azeri A.

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Speaker 2: Carson Schwessinger at forty three, Jack Sawyer at forty four.

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Speaker 2: Somebody on the message board asked me about Jack Sawyer.

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Speaker 2: Why why don't they take Jack Sawyer? Maybe it was

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Speaker 2: on Twitter, one of the two. I'm like, he's six

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Speaker 3: He don't think he's Aaron Smith.

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Speaker 2: He would have to put on twenty pounds to play

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Speaker 2: think that's what he would be an edge He's Mike Vrabel, yes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean if you drafted him, it's because you

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Speaker 3: need edge help. And I don't know if he's twitchy

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Speaker 3: a project that to put twenty pounds on to make

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Speaker 2: I mean, Aaron Smith's a fifth round pick. Keithel was

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Speaker 3: He's a fourth. I mean, I don't know that he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm warming up to him. I mean, he played

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Speaker 3: behind two great defensive facults last year Sweat and Murphy,

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Speaker 2: Really good year. He could be a slightly discounting Kenneth

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Speaker 2: Grant for you. Yeah. Yeah. Jayden Higgins at forty eight,

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Speaker 2: what do you think about him in the second round?

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Speaker 2: Basketball player? Yeah, I see some Drake London type. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: As your comparison, yeah, I think out of little hesitation,

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Speaker 2: he's the second round. There's not he doesn't get the separation.

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Speaker 3: But no, that's okay.

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Speaker 2: He makes the acrobatic catches and smooth goes up over.

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Speaker 3: Top of him, and I think he was a pretty

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Speaker 2: Trevon Henderson at forty nine.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's from the Steelers, but I kind

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Speaker 3: of wish he was because he's a home run hitter

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Speaker 3: and he's an explosive player. He's not tiny, He's not tiny, No,

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Speaker 3: he's right, I mean he's I wonder what they're cutoff

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Speaker 2: He's more Willie Parker type.

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Speaker 2: You know. Ariante Ursery at fifty let's see here, who

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Speaker 3: For him, I think people worry that he's a tweener,

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Speaker 3: and that used to be it kind of is you know,

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Speaker 3: forever that was a terrible connotation. Then it was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: he's versatile, but you got to line him up somewhere

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Speaker 3: every snap, right. If he's not good at either, I

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Speaker 2: Maxwell Harriston's at fifty four, it's another second round target

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Speaker 2: for sure. Benjamin Morrison at fifty five, who knows. I

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Speaker 2: fifty six, what do you think of him? I don't

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you're talking third round and you even't

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Speaker 3: gone d line yet, Okay, he's a consolation prize. But

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Speaker 3: we've never even considered him in a mock No, And

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Speaker 3: that's why he's bringing up the name because body type

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Speaker 3: isn't far off from right.

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Speaker 2: Body type is what you're looking for. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 2: just don't know that he plays the position with the

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Speaker 2: past rush ability that you would want.

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Speaker 3: Or the cam physicality or you know, the power. Right.

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Speaker 2: Fifty seven is Jackson Dart so that is his third quarterback.

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Speaker 2: But at fifty seven.

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Speaker 3: Fifty seven, I mean, if there's fifty better players than him,

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Speaker 3: I'm not taking in.

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Speaker 2: The first round. No. Fifty eight Jalen Royals coming along.

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Speaker 2: I like him.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to watch him a combine. Fifty nine Tyler Schuck, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I saw that. I didn't like seeing it because I

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Speaker 3: don't want the whole world to start taking him in.

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Speaker 2: Kind of verifies what I saw watching him though. They're

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Speaker 2: knock on the guy as he's older. I mean, he's older,

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Speaker 2: and he he was hurt a lot, right, right, Because

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Speaker 2: that's the one thing I talked to some people and

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Speaker 2: when I talked to them at the at the Senior ball,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what about the shuck kit. He's like, he

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Speaker 2: looks like the best quarterback here, and yeah, but he's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's I'm right there with you.

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Speaker 3: He's my favorite target. I don't love him seeing in this.

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Speaker 2: But sixty TJ. Sanders Kah Jaylen Milroe at sixty one.

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Speaker 3: But I gotta be honest. I didn't love the small

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Speaker 2: He's got Jordan James, the running back out of Glad.

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Speaker 2: Cameron Williams, the offensive tackle out of Texas at sixty three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've stood on the table. He's a smooth athlete though,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, beer guard, beer guard Darius Alexander at sixty seven.

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Speaker 3: I'll gladly take him at sixty seven. Yeah, he fits

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Speaker 2: You know. Right, let's see who else jump sider Quinn

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Speaker 2: Shawn Jenkins at seventy.

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Speaker 3: That's about the neighborhood you started looking at a guy like that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't have a problem with him there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The guy from on NFL dot Com had him

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Speaker 2: Receiver. Jordan Phillips out of Maryland at uh.

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Speaker 3: He's one of my new seventy three.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a nose, has all kinds of upside.

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Speaker 2: He's not a fat guy. He's powerful. Yeah, he's starting

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Speaker 2: to just put it together this year too. He's got

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really warming up to him quickly.

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Speaker 2: Jack Betch at seventy four. Okay, he might not test great.

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Speaker 2: You know that's fine that everyone prince you all the

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Speaker 3: Really a lot of edge guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Deane Walker at seventy six, he's not really from me.

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Speaker 2: I mean at this point, a third round pick, okay

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Speaker 2: And I don't know that. I don't know that he

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Speaker 3: I know, I like your mccullor's call. I'd rather have

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Speaker 3: and his best reps are better. But man, there's some

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Speaker 3: in nose like you said, right.

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Speaker 2: Quincy Riley, the other Louisville cornerback is at this.

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Speaker 3: He's in a bad spot for corners too. There's four

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Speaker 2: Omar Norman Lot at seventy eight. I think he fits

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Speaker 2: don't think he is. I don't think he's five to

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Speaker 3: Absolutely I don't think he's for the Steelers, but he

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Speaker 2: Ozzie Trapio at eighty one, I bet.

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Speaker 3: He goes higher, pure tackled with pretty good tape and

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Speaker 2: But let's see here. Who else jumps out? Will Howard

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Speaker 3: I bet he goes even earlier. I could see him

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Speaker 3: being mid third rounder something like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Jacob Parrish, the cornerback out of k State at

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Speaker 2: I didn't they play him that? Corners in this drafted

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Speaker 3: Right in that range. That's kind of why I brought

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Speaker 3: it up when you mentioned Riley that there's some dudes

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Speaker 3: and that seems to be kind of the going rate.

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Speaker 3: He's a nose nose fault right.

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Speaker 2: Tess Johnson out of Oregon at eighty nine. He's too small.

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Speaker 2: I can't get five and fifty six pounds. He's even

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Speaker 3: He's too too at well sized, I mean, he's too little. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: if you didn't have anyone on your roster like that, maybe.

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Speaker 2: Yea, you could. You can find ways to use that.

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Speaker 2: But you've already got one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Austin's not big either, you know, we've already

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Speaker 3: got not. Austin toldt I told him he already got one.

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Speaker 3: Wilson's already smaller too, with the name of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Two pounds, Yeah, you can find them. Kind of explosive,

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Speaker 2: but okay, power wide receiver. Noah Williams the cornerback out

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Speaker 3: That's another one that I'm thinking more and more about.

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Speaker 2: Big enough. I'm just a little late to the party

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Speaker 2: Trey Amos all the way down at ninety three.

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Speaker 3: What shockdown low he was. I don't know what the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Isaiah Bond at ninety four. He's a little small

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Speaker 2: of a down year. R J. Harvey out of was

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Speaker 2: he South Florida Central Central? Yeah? Central? They all those

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Speaker 2: Florida's South Central. Yeah, and they're not supposed to be

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Speaker 2: the South Florida's in Orlando, that's not all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he might be too small for me too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, five five seven to two o seven, So he's

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know that he's replacement.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, vertically challenged Kobe Bryant the other with the Kansas

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Speaker 3: I wonder if he weighs in at the combine, he

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Speaker 2: One to five. It doesn't run with some rocks in

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Speaker 2: his pockets and really thin waisted. Andrew mccuba, the safety,

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Speaker 2: out which safeties are highly slot capable. He is highly slucky.

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Speaker 2: I know he's one of them, but he didn't do

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Speaker 2: it as much this year. I don't believe that he

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Speaker 3: Him aside or him whatever. I mean, would you consider

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Speaker 3: in round three? Is that the earliest you'd think about it?

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Speaker 3: You can't do it in the first two round? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Maybe four?

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Speaker 2: Rich Darian Porter all the way down at ninety nine

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Speaker 2: traits long, fast, six two one ninety seven cornerback with

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's a good start.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then his number one hundred player is Chris

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Speaker 3: Not a lot of linebackers on top of a lot

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Speaker 3: which ever more because you'd like to see him get

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Speaker 2: But a lot of a lot of corners on that

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Speaker 2: quite a few running backs. Absolutely. It was five or

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Speaker 2: see what we're talking about with the widress receivers, Like,

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Speaker 2: it's not last year's draft, it's not the year before

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Speaker 3: It brings me one another topic I wanted to talk

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Speaker 3: about either today or sometime this week. Deboo Samuel. Do

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Speaker 3: he interest you? What I didn't know until today? I

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Speaker 3: mentioned I do a podcast with a Niners guy. He

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Speaker 3: I don't think it costs We thought maybe a five

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Speaker 3: four at most.

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Speaker 2: I mean I'd kick.

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Speaker 3: The tires on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's had a lot of wear and tear, a

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Speaker 2: lot of wear and tear on the tires. You might

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Speaker 3: Right, And does he want extension?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Probably probably, but that's doable. It's probably

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Speaker 2: I think he's interesting. No, I would certainly be interesting.

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Speaker 2: I want to see the medicals. Absolutely. But I bet

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Speaker 2: I don't think it is. Yeah, yeah, I think they

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Speaker 3: It costs it. One thing they have of their advantage.

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Speaker 3: From what I understand, is them trading him now doesn't

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not one of those Cooper Cup situations.

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Speaker 3: But they just he very favorable to his new team

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Speaker 2: Yeah, his his cap pit is only well twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: For them, yeah, I think there's a bonus coming up.

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Speaker 2: There is thirty one point thirty one million dead cap

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Speaker 2: think he's going to get moved, you know. I mean

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Speaker 2: that's that's their problem, right. Yeah, But the base salary

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Speaker 3: The new team. It's pretty attractive.

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Speaker 2: They have a bunch of avoidable years, the voidable year

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Speaker 2: stuff on it. They got four years avoidable years on

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Speaker 3: That's why he's so cheap, right, But he's attractive to

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Speaker 3: the new team, right.

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Speaker 2: The out for them again is thirty one million dollars

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Speaker 3: Not only a draft pier saw, but they drafted one

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Speaker 3: I think in the fourth round too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now they could make that a post June first situation.

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Speaker 3: They don't have to be quick about it, right, Which

435
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Speaker 3: makes you think if the asking price is a five,

436
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Speaker 3: maybe you pay a four, you know, I mean the

437
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Speaker 3: Niners have a little more call.

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Speaker 2: I think as well, you could wait until after the

439
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Speaker 2: draft and approach it and make it a you know,

440
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Speaker 2: and after a June first thing. That would allow them

441
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Speaker 2: to split that that cap hit in two. Basically, it

442
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Speaker 2: would take a lesser hit this year. Yeah, and you

443
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Speaker 2: make it a pick for next year based on it's

444
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Speaker 2: it's it's a five now. But if he plays this

445
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Speaker 2: much or if he does this whatever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Yeah, I'd rather have him firmed up

447
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Speaker 3: pre draft.

448
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Speaker 2: You know, if i'm you, you could have the talks,

449
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Speaker 2: you could have everything in place. Yeah, hey, we're going

450
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Speaker 2: to do this June first.

451
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Speaker 3: And yeah, I didn't know un till this morning how

452
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Speaker 3: attractive his contract is for the new team.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty nice. Yeah, so yeah, I could sell the

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Speaker 2: beauty of it.

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Speaker 3: All right. They're not going to resign him after this year, no, No,

456
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Speaker 3: I mean there's actually talk that they're going to make mcalfs.

457
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Speaker 3: Why they drafted Pearson right, and they were to.

458
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Speaker 2: Make McCaffrey the debo wide back they call it too,

459
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Speaker 2: and the draft the running back and extending McCaffrey's career.

460
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's a good football. He'd help you, yeah, right,

461
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Speaker 2: if he can stay healthy. If he can stay healthy,

462
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Speaker 2: but so we'll see.

463
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Speaker 3: And he's off for everyone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyways, let's get to a break. That was a

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Speaker 2: Dame Brugler's Top one hundred, Matt, and are going to

466
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Speaker 2: be back right after this with power ranking Tuesday. What

467
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Speaker 2: about that Wow? Postseason power ranking will get into that one.

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Speaker 2: That will be the rankings going into the off season.

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Speaker 2: Here see where the Steelers come in at on that

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Speaker 2: on NFL dot Com. Right after this on the Drive.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolly, he is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: This is the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network, and

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Speaker 2: Matt Eric ed Hoolme has come out with his latest

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Speaker 2: and last okay Ower rankings for the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: season and moving into twenty twenty five. So let's get

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Speaker 2: to that and see where where he comes down. Here

480
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Speaker 2: at thirty two, he has the Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: Browns okay, So I'm glad he's not just mimicking the

482
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Speaker 3: draft order. I mean, Browns are a lot worse shape

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Speaker 3: than the Titans. Yeah, a lot worse shape, and I

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Speaker 3: doubt he'll I haven't looked at these, but like I know,

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Speaker 3: the Saints thirty one, if we're talking about like where

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Speaker 3: you're at right now. Just because you won a couple

487
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Speaker 3: games doesn't mean you're in good shape.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I have the Saints ahead of this.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure how I do this.

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Speaker 2: Because who's the Titans quarterback? Like the Saints could go

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Speaker 2: back into next season with Derek Carr quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Right right right, and then all of a sudden, you have, yeah,

493
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Speaker 3: a couple wins.

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Speaker 2: Right uh. At thirty one, though, he does have the Titans.

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Speaker 3: Okay, they're in bad shape as it stands.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty he has the Giants.

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Speaker 3: Giants worst than the Patriots. I mean you may, you may, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean who's the Giants quarterback? Right right? I don't

499
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Speaker 3: know there's who's the Jets quarterback. There's a lot of

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Speaker 3: real questionable situations.

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Speaker 2: At twenty nine, though, he has the Jaguars.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'd have them higher.

503
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Speaker 2: I'd have them higher than that.

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Speaker 3: They have pieces. Yeah, they have a quarterback. I mean

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Speaker 3: he might not be what he's cracked up to be,

506
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Speaker 3: but he's a lot better on what the Titans are

507
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Speaker 3: playing with me, that's for sure. Now, I'd have them higher.

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Speaker 2: At twenty eight are the Saints. They're in dismal shape. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven are the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think there is some optimism for the first

511
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Speaker 3: time in a while. But that's going to be the

512
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Speaker 3: back then that's going to be a long project. But

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Speaker 3: at least.

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Speaker 2: Hope that long because Pete Carroll's not gonna be around forever.

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Speaker 2: Would that be a Darnold team for you? Yeah, I

516
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Speaker 2: think I think that's a good fit. Yeah. Twenty six

517
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Speaker 2: is the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: There's optimism, but they're bad right this second. Yeah, I

519
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Speaker 3: mean that's how much you balance that.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five the Jets.

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Speaker 3: They have some good players, but they got a lot

522
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Speaker 3: of questions. I mean, he need tackles and quarterbacks, and.

523
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Speaker 2: He has the Jets as a possible justin Field's landing spot.

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Speaker 3: I would consider that if I were them. I mean,

525
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Speaker 3: I'd rather do that than like a Winston.

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Speaker 2: Twenty four of the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're trend in the right direction. I think

528
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Speaker 3: the offense is close to being set. I don't know

529
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Speaker 3: about set, but.

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Speaker 2: Respectable. Yeah. The Dallas Cowboys, ooh, I don't like anything

531
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Speaker 2: that organization's done in a while. They're spending, They're paying

532
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Speaker 2: a lot of money for three guys.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I don't know how dedicated they are to winning.

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Speaker 3: Twenty two the Bears, Okay, let's see if Johnson's everything

535
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Speaker 3: he's cracked up to be.

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Speaker 2: They got a lot of resources. I think Caleb Williams

537
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Speaker 2: is gonna be a good player. I don't know if

538
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Speaker 2: he'll be the best quarterback in the league, but I

539
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Speaker 2: think he'll be a good player.

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Speaker 3: Jade and Daniels, No, No, that's for sure. I'd rather

541
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Speaker 3: mathe than him too.

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Speaker 2: Twenty one the San Francisco forty nine ers.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'd be kinder to them than that. They have questions,

544
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Speaker 3: but that's pretty low. Like I took a peek at

545
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Speaker 3: the future Super Bowl odds and they were like tenth. Yeah,

546
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Speaker 3: but that's a different world.

547
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Speaker 2: That's the that's a completely different world. What if Trent

548
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Speaker 2: Williams is done. I think he will be Okay, right now?

549
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Speaker 2: What now? You don't don't have a left tackle, and

550
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: that was the foundation of your of your offense here.

551
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Speaker 2: You don't have that, I know, I know, And you

552
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Speaker 2: don't have the d line. Finding one of those guys

553
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Speaker 2: in this draft, I mean, I think they'll take one

554
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Speaker 2: to ten or eleven or wherever they pay Stanley, Yeah,

555
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Speaker 2: Trent Williams obviously not. And McCaffrey's a year older. He

556
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Speaker 2: couldn't play this year because achilles issues. Those don't go

557
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Speaker 2: away necessarily, Debo won't be back.

558
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Speaker 3: It's purty an elevator.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think they're the Fanga could be gone.

560
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Speaker 2: I mean there's some pieces that I don't take. Some

561
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Speaker 2: hits they are.

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Speaker 3: I just thought last year couldn't have went worse for them,

563
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Speaker 3: But I think they'll be in competition to win that division.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I had some think Seattle

565
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Speaker 2: or the Rams are that much better. Or Arizona. I

566
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Speaker 2: think the Rams are, do you yeah, especially if Stafford

567
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Speaker 2: comes back. Safford comes back, which that's the way it looks.

568
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Speaker 2: I don't know that they're markedly better, butter they're better.

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Speaker 3: I'm a big McVay guy.

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Speaker 2: Let's see who they have, right, yeah, at twenty or

571
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Speaker 2: the Colts.

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Speaker 3: I would have Niners ahead of the Colts. I would

573
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Speaker 3: assume the Cults are gonna have Richardson and nothing else.

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Speaker 3: The more like it was, it's cute for us to say, oh,

575
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Speaker 3: they'll sign Fields, and Field is gonna be more demand

576
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Speaker 3: than go be a backup to richards Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: They could sign like Daniel Jones, oh or something like that.

578
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what Daniel Jones. I think Daniel

579
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Speaker 3: Jones might have somewhat of a market lesson fields.

580
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Speaker 2: If I were a quarterbacks, I'm looking at what Anthony

581
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Speaker 2: Richardson has done in his first couple of seasons in

582
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Speaker 2: the NFL. I'm like, I'm better than that. I could

583
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: beat this guy out. I'm gonna lose every benefit of

584
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Speaker 2: the doubts. And they got pieces, Oh, they got pieces.

585
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: They got a line, they got an offensive mining coach

586
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Speaker 2: running back who's dangerous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I like some stuff they

588
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Speaker 3: have going.

589
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Speaker 2: Like, and Richardson hasn't been shown that he can stay healthy. No, Like,

590
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Speaker 2: all I need to do is get in there and

591
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Speaker 2: be better than Joe Flacco was over a long stretch.

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Speaker 3: That's who that quarterback is. There's a lot many of

593
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Speaker 3: them on the market.

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Speaker 2: At nineteen the Atlanta Falcons, I'm fine with that. Eighteen

595
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: of the Dolphins, I think they're going the wrong way.

596
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: I think I don't think Tyreek kills. If you remember

597
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: when when his first Power rankings came out last year,

598
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Speaker 2: Dolphins were a top ten team. They're going the wrong way.

599
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Speaker 3: They're going the wrong way.

600
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Speaker 2: The Jets were a top ten team, right those teams

601
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: are head of the wrong direction.

602
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Speaker 3: We mentioned this yesterday. I mean the Bills can moon

603
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Speaker 3: walk through that division next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, seventeen. Are the Cardinals.

605
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Speaker 3: Slowly going the right direction? It wasn't built overnight.

606
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Speaker 2: Sixteen. Or the Seahawks. Okay, they have massive cap problems

607
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: though they do, you.

608
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: Know what I mean? But they I think they got

609
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Speaker 3: a good gun coaching staff, and I'm a geno believer.

610
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Speaker 3: I'd like to see him adding some kind of quarterback

611
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Speaker 3: that's young.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen or the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: So there's been more and more talk that Burrow and

614
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Speaker 3: company are really pushing for Higgins.

615
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Speaker 2: Oh, there's no doubt. It's not talk openly stumped for it.

616
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Speaker 3: Yeah. If i'm them, is your best approach? Just be

617
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Speaker 3: awesome on offense and be not the worst defense in

618
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Speaker 3: the league, be the twenty fifth best defense this second.

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Speaker 2: This would be the discussion I would have with Joe Burrow. Yeah, Hey, Joe,

620
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: we tried it your way, what you want to do

621
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Speaker 2: this past season, and we went nine to eight, and

622
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: we weren't good enough to beat any good team, any

623
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Speaker 2: of the Despite you playing great, Yeah you played, you

624
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: couldn't put a better season together, and that's what it

625
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: got us. It feels a little like it's going down

626
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: the Carson Palmer path. That's and that's what I would say, Joe.

627
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: We did this with Carson Palmer, right, and it didn't

628
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: work out, and Carson eventually said I went out of here.

629
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Speaker 2: And I think Joe might say that in a year

630
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Speaker 2: or two two. So, Joe, we can't spend all this

631
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Speaker 2: money on offense. We have to spend some money on defense.

632
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: We have to use draft picks. We can't let Trey

633
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Speaker 2: Hendrickson walk.

634
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 3: They're going to cut some starter zone D.

635
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: That's that's all well and good. You got to replace them.

636
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: I don't know that where they sit they can play

637
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: both sides of the fence though, That's what I'm saying.

638
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 2: So you say you can't get so you have to

639
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: just have that frank conversation with Burrow. Like Joe, you're

640
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: supposed to be an elevator. It shouldn't matter whether you

641
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Speaker 2: have what she has done. It shouldn't matter whether that's

642
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: andre U Cibus over there or if it's t Higgins.

643
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: They're their similar style of player. Yeah, get him the

644
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: football when he is open. You're gonna throw the ball

645
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: eighteen times per game. The Jamar Chase anyway.

646
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know that the Bengals D isn't going

647
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Speaker 3: to go from thirtieth to tenth, right, But if we

648
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: can get it the twenty second and keep the offense

649
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 3: at the same level.

650
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: I can't. I don't know how to do that. I

651
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: don't know that you can do that.

652
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 3: I think they're in a bhind period.

653
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: I don't know what. I don't know how they can

654
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: resign t Higgins and look the arrest of that team

655
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: in the face and say, yeah, we're good guys, because

656
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to sign Chase too.

657
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: Is gonna make so much.

658
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: You're gonna have fifty plus million dollars tied up in

659
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: two wide receivers, more then more than and then you're

660
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: quarterbacks also one hundred million dollars in three guys, guys,

661
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: all on offense. That's the only thing you do good.

662
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: And and Trey Henderson is going to stand there and go,

663
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: what about me? And then he holds out because he's

664
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: going to go, Yeah, he's leaving either way. And that's

665
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: that's your The only thing you can your defense can

666
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: hang his hat on is him getting to the quarterback.

667
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: I mean, we even talked a lot about this, but

668
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: the best financial move for them is franchising Higgins because

669
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 3: it's not nearly as much they make on the open market.

670
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: But it's a second year of doing it. He's not

671
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: going to be happy. I mean, maybe you tag and

672
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: trade him. I can't imagine just letting him walk, though.

673
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: But he's also not as good as Chase and Jefferson.

674
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: There were there were games where they they if Burrow

675
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: wanted him so much, why were there entire games and

676
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: halfs of games where he just ignored T Higgins.

677
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's messy he had either. I mean the thing

678
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: that they have, they have Burrow, which every team minus

679
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: two or three would kill for the rest of.

680
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: The setup, is bad. Yeah, I mean i'd be I

681
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: don't see a great path. You got to have a

682
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: frank conversation with Burrow, and like Joe, we can't. We

683
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: can't have a three hundred million dollar offense and spend

684
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars on our defense. It's just not It

685
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: doesn't work that way.

686
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: And if I were Joe, I'd be like, why don't

687
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: you draft some good people on defense instead of missing

688
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: on every defensive draft? Bill, I mean it sent me

689
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: to Arizona like you did, Carson Palmer. You can't keep

690
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: everybody on offense. You just can't, I know, And I

691
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: don't like how that team set up. At fourteen, he

692
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: has the Steelers, Okay, I'd haven't had the Bengals.

693
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. At thirteen of the Broncos hmm, I wouldn't know

694
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: what they're sealing. I would have the Steelers ahead of

695
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: the Broncos right now.

696
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what the Broncos ceiling is there.

697
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 3: They way out kicked my thoughts for them, but how

698
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: far can that go?

699
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: At twelve are the Chargers again, I would have the

700
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: Steelers ahead of the Chargers right now as we sit

701
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: here today.

702
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 3: Chargers are a nice spot to improve over the offseason,

703
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: but they need a lot. Eleven of the Rams, Okay,

704
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: cops not going to be back. I think Stafford's a

705
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty at this point. I think he's coming back,

706
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: do you.

707
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything that I've read about the situation seeing and

708
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: I think he's coming back. Then they're in the hunt.

709
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: Ten are the Texans. Okay, I'm okay with that. They

710
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: have more needs than you think, though, I mean, can

711
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: you count Tank Dell?

712
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: Probably not? Probably not.

713
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: Nine. Are the Buccaneers.

714
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 3: Solid but not super high ceiling? Yeah?

715
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: Another year older for some of those guys that they've Yeah,

716
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: the David's and Vea's and right yeah. Eight the Packers. Yeah,

717
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 2: their youth I think will get better. I'm a love believer.

718
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: I'm a le floor believer. I'd like to see a splash. Yeah,

719
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: I think there's something too. When when Josh Jacobs came

720
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: out during Super Bowl week and said, we need a

721
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: true number one receiver. Yeah, I think they've got a

722
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: nice group of number twos.

723
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, that are cheap and efficient and you know,

724
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: cost effective.

725
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 2: But you don't have that get You don't have that guy,

726
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 2: and you're not going to get that guy in this draft.

727
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: No, I don't know you'll get him.

728
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: Period.

729
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: Would you trade for Miles Garrett that's a team. I'd

730
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: consider it because I think they need If you can't

731
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: get the number one receiver, give me the number one

732
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: pass rusher. You know, it'd be great to get both.

733
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: I can't imagine Tyreek Hill going to Green Bay Wisconsin.

734
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 3: But I mean, like, is there any receiver you could get.

735
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: They're not gonna go get Higgins on the.

736
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 2: Open We're not gonna get DeVante Adams back. No, probably not.

737
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 3: I don't think he hated it there or anything that

738
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: was a Rogers connection. Yeah, Adams go to the West

739
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: Coast and.

740
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: You know seven are the Vikings. I think they're gonna

741
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: take a step back.

742
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: I think they're going to take a big step back.

743
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 3: I mean it's probably going to be a quarterback change.

744
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: Entire secondaries headed for free agency. Yes, you have no

745
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: Day two picks and your O line needs to work.

746
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually, the whole defense personnel wise, isn't great. We

747
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: has got a lot out of that group.

748
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 2: We're in the process of going back over our draft

749
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: from last year, the final one that we did on

750
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: the triple Take, and I had forgotten the trades that

751
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 2: the Vikings made.

752
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: Pretty substantial to go get McCarthy.

753
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: To go get McCarthy, and then they also traded up

754
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: with Jacksonville to go get Dallas Turner, right, who was

755
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: not good. No, right, They got nothing out of two

756
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 2: guys they traded up to get in the draft.

757
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 3: Two first round picks that are really mortgaging their future again.

758
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: It's yeah, they gave up a lot. They don't have

759
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: a They don't have a second or third round draft

760
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: pick this year because they went and got those guys,

761
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: and I don't think they had one last year. You

762
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: can't go a couple of years in a row without.

763
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 3: Day two picks. Yeah, those things are gold. It's a

764
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 3: rough build. And what's McCarthy.

765
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 2: Six? Are the Commanders out of the Packers have of

766
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: the bikes? I would just in that division? Yeah, I

767
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 2: would too, Commanders at six.

768
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm there yet. They're their finals.

769
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: They like twenty eight guys have a lot different.

770
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 3: Right and they still have holes. I love their quarterback yeah.

771
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: I mean they do have the cheap quarterback option here

772
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: right now, but it's not super cheap. They took them second. Overall,

773
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: they could be similar to the Bengals, you know, or

774
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: they have a couple of pieces, but they have a.

775
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 3: Lot of these.

776
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Five of the Ravens, Okay, that's as low as

777
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: I would have them for the Lions, same neighborhood. Three

778
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: the Bills.

779
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 3: Okay, should the Chiefs be two? And I don't say

780
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: that just because they got blown out of the Super Bowl.

781
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: I mean their offense is going to have to look

782
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: a lot different. I mean, I don't think Kelsey comes back.

783
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: I don't think so either.

784
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: You got to find two offensive linemen. Be nice to

785
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: have a number one pass catcher.

786
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: End up losing a couple of defensive pieces, you know,

787
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 2: read and the inside linebacker.

788
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: I mean, no one's crying for the Chiefs. Don't get

789
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 3: me wrong, but were the Rice might be fine as

790
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 3: your top two receivers, but I wouldn't want something else

791
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: catching the ball, the ball carriers or yeah, I don't

792
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: know that.

793
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: No egrageous steps in and replaces Travis Kelcey.

794
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: No, you know, and Kelsey's declining. You know, the old

795
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: Lion is going to be the priority.

796
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: And you still your running back situation is not great.

797
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: No, it's not even good in my opinion, right, I

798
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: mean cream Hunt Checko. I would probably have them behind

799
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: the Ravens, maybe Buffalo.

800
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: I could see the Lions. I would definitely have them

801
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 2: behind Buffalo.

802
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Buffalo's not gonna add much though, No they're not.

803
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: They're gonna pretty much run it back minus Samari Cooper

804
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: A couple.

805
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: They did some interesting things in the last year's draft,

806
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: like they traded completely out of the first round of

807
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: the draft. Yeah, after moving back once, and then they

808
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: moved back again to acquire extra picks, including some in

809
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: this year's draft.

810
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, they used one of them for a Mary Cooper.

811
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

812
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: But they know that they have tight cap situation, right,

813
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: so there they didn't kill themselves draft capital, why, Yeah, so.

814
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: You know they do have at least a little bit

815
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: more draft capital to make some things work like that.

816
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 3: It'd be nice if Keon Coleman takes a step or

817
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 3: Kincaid in his third year looks like a top five

818
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 3: tight end or something like that. But they'll be fine.

819
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like you said, their divisions awful.

820
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean they're gonna win double.

821
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: They're gonna yeah, they're gonna win six games in the

822
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: division just because problem. Yeah, without any problem. And then

823
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: the Eagles at number one. Yeah, and they should be.

824
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: They should be.

825
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 3: I mean they're gonna lose a couple of things, but

826
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: every Super Bowl winner does.

827
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: So that's Eric ed Holmes rankings. I mostly agree with it.

828
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: I thought we're nuts. Yeah, but there's a there's you

829
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 2: get the top tier teams of four or five. I

830
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 2: would say there's five of them, Yeah, you would include

831
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: the Packers or Vikings. Then there's that next tier of

832
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 2: maybe seven or eight teams, and that's where the Steelers are. Folks.

833
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 2: They're not one of those teams at the bottom.

834
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I mean people are like, oh, they

835
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 3: should be twenty third. I look at the other teams,

836
00:38:58,680 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: they're pretty rough.

837
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: You have to you have to look at things objectively.

838
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: You have to look at the entire league as a whole, like,

839
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: they're not the Browns. No, no, they're not the Saints.

840
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 3: They're there are so many of these teams that have

841
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: dug themselves deep ditches. Like even if Jets are in

842
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 3: that neighbor the Dolphins.

843
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: If you tried to tank next year, you would have

844
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: to basically tell you have to say, TJ. Watt, we're

845
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: not going to play you all year. Cam Heyward, We're

846
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 2: not going to play you all like you just can't

847
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: do it. And obviously we all realize that they do

848
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,959
Speaker 2: not have a quarterback signed this second, but they're going

849
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: to their will a right, somebody will play quarterback for

850
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers, and it's probably gonna be as good

851
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: as last year. Yeah, probably gonna be one the guys

852
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: were last year. Yeah, that's the reality of it. Uh. Anyways,

853
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: let's get to a break. He is Matt Williamson. I

854
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the driver here on

855
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network. That was Eric at Holmes final

856
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four Power rankings and I guess first twenty

857
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: twenty five power rankings.

858
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: Be fun to do one like pre draft. Maybe I'll

859
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 3: whip one up or something after.

860
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: Free in between free agency into the draft and they

861
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: look at it and see it's not just such a

862
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 2: you don't know right right right, but you kind of

863
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: have a pretty good idea about free agents. And they signed.

864
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: They added two offensive linemen or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Khalil Mack ended up in Kansas City or something

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Speaker 3: crazy y.

867
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Speaker 2: Anyways, we'll be back with more on the Drive right after.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And we are back Dale LOLLI. He is the Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt the Steelers have a new defensive backs coach.

873
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Speaker 2: As we referenced yesterday. Today they made an official hiring

874
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: Gerald Alexander as their defensive backs coach. Grady Brown, who

875
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: had been defensive backs coach, his contract was not picked up. Yeah,

876
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: so Gerald Alexander back with the Steelers. He had been

877
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: their assistant defensive backs coach in twenty twenty two and

878
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, spent last year with the Raiders becoming

879
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 2: their safeties coach. And Gerald Alexander also had been the

880
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: defensive backs coach in Miami for a couple of years,

881
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: including getting two seasons there. They tied under his direction.

882
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty the Dolphins led the league in interceptions

883
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 2: with eighteen and XAVI and Howard had ten of those

884
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: that year. Yeah, Howard did a breakout year. I mean

885
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: he was never the fastest guy.

886
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: He kind of was a smart break on the ball

887
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 3: type corner and baby coaching and something.

888
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: To do with it. Yeah, if you look at it.

889
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: He also coached in college at Cal where he had

890
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: Ashton Davis and Cameron Bying them Who's turned himself into

891
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: a pretty good NFL player. So yeah, we'll see how that.

892
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Speaker 2: You mentioned this.

893
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: Yesterday and I've been giving it more thought.

894
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: That defensive back coach with the safeties, you know Raiders. Yeah,

895
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: it was a Raiders group.

896
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like their slot corner, and Hobbs would be

897
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 3: a nice pickup. He is not a five eight type,

898
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 3: you know, slot corner. He's six one six foot something

899
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 3: like that.

900
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: We got to coach here once you come out.

901
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah right, I mean he was a favorite there and

902
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: I know the Raiders might keep him, but he would

903
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 3: be somebody I'd give money to on the active market.

904
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Speaker 3: It's a slot corner.

905
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know, so this uh a coaching change

906
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: for the Steelers here. We'll see, if you know, if

907
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: anything else happens here over the over the coming days.

908
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, you know, I just look at

909
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: the production that make I Fitzpatrick had last year and

910
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: wonder could they have could they have adjusted that somewhat?

911
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

912
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Speaker 2: And I think what people sometimes failed to understand is

913
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 2: is the defensive backs coach or the position coach has

914
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: a lot of say in who's on the field.

915
00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 3: A lot of yeah, substitutions yet, but it also is okay,

916
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: who's who's getting playing time and when?

917
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that kind of stuff that's not that's not

918
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: necessarily a defensive coordinator thing, or the DC could say,

919
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: why aren't we playing this guy?

920
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 3: And they have conversations, but the.

921
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 2: Position coach could say, well he had this guy to

922
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: better practice, or.

923
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, or the toes bugging them or whatever.

924
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: You know.

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00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: I mean, like a lot of the running back rotations

926
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Speaker 3: or running back coach or you know the tight ends

927
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: you know, wide receive defensive back. Right, that's interesting, And

928
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: say what you want about the Raiders. That's a crappy organization.

929
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: They don't have a lot of talent on defense, but

930
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 3: their defense has been pretty good for a while.

931
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they played good defense last year, for sure. They

932
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: definitely were better than the some of their parts. They

933
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: actually played better when Max Crosby was out defensively than

934
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Speaker 2: when they did when he was in there.

935
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they kept their defensive coordinator. Yeah, wisely because they've

936
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 3: gotten a lot out of a little on that side

937
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 3: of the ball.

938
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Speaker 2: So you are adding a guy who had again been

939
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: with another a couple of other outside organizations had been

940
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 2: with flow down in Miami. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Brian Flores.

941
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: You know, so maybe you're going to start incorporating some

942
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: different ideas of that stuff and more cover for and

943
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: more for type stuff. Pierce was was pretty good on

944
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 2: it with the defensive stuff as well, as you mentioned,

945
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: so maybe you picked up some tricks out there as well.

946
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

947
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, another set of eyes and ears I think is

948
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 2: from outside the organization is fruitful. Yeah, so we'll see

949
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: where that goes with all of that. But that's the

950
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,479
Speaker 2: news of the day out of the South Side. Yeah,

951
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: out of the Steelers organization. I just wouldn't have mentioned

952
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: something like again, we answer, I answer a lot of

953
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: questions on our message boards and things of that nature.

954
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and please keep leaving them.

955
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I go through a couple of different times

956
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: a day and just go through and answer questions and

957
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: things of that nature. But there was one poster on

958
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: there who said that Kevin Colbert has still been involved

959
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: with the Steelers drafts, and that has not been the case.

960
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: It's not true, right, not true. He is listed as

961
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: I don't even know if he's listed on the website,

962
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: but as a consultant. Yeah, you keep guys like put

963
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: it this way. Chuck Nole was listed as a consultant

964
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: after he retired, Chuck Knowle I saw one time, Yeah,

965
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: after he had retired. Yeah, he wasn't in the building

966
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: all the time, he was. You do that as a

967
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: tip of the cap. To a guy who did a

968
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: good job, Yeah, who earned it.

969
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: And I assume he's still on. You know, he still

970
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 3: gets the benefits through the NFL and through the Steelers

971
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 3: and maybe get some kind of check. I don't, that's

972
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: not my business, right, I mean, my last like ten

973
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: days or two weeks with the Browns. Jim Brown was

974
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 3: got the office next to me. It used to be

975
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: our director of pro scouting.

976
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: He didn't do any work Brown even though he was,

977
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: but he had an office with his blackard on there.

978
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: And you know, Kevin Goldber I think's going to the

979
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame too. I mean, I'm not comparing Kevin

980
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: Golder to Jim Brown, but every organization has legends. You know. Then,

981
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 3: as you know better than I do, Kevin's not down

982
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 3: there grinding the tape and making picks. Now he's retired

983
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: as he should be.

984
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 2: Kevin's golfing and you know, going to lunch and heaven speeches.

985
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 2: He did just take a job as as a consultant

986
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: for the Colorado State football program. I'm sure he knew

987
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: somebody at the program and they asked me, can you

988
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: come in and give us some ideas on how to

989
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: work all this nil stuff and things of that nature. Yeah,

990
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: recruiting players and help us give us tips of watching

991
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: tape or but breakdown tape of these the transfer portal guys,

992
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: who do we want to try to bring in here?

993
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: That it's Colorado State and oh.

994
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 3: Maybe the Steelers will do the same thing. And here's

995
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: ten guys. Can you just give right a report on

996
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: him if you don't mind, Yeah, right, whatever, But he's

997
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 3: not making the picks.

998
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 2: Guy, Yeah, you'd be foolish not to use that resource. Yeah,

999
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: if he's up for it, but he's not making the picks.

1000
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 3: No, then he's not going to be commanding the war

1001
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 3: room or any of that kind of stuff. He probably

1002
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 3: won't be in it. No, he won't be in it, right, Yeah.

1003
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, that that idea. No, just because he was

1004
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 2: listed as a consultant that he doesn't strings is there

1005
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: any that kind of stuff? A tremendous career and after respect,

1006
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: deserves his retire right right. In fact, he dropped. Like

1007
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 2: I saw him last time I saw him over in

1008
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: the South Side. I'm like, whatever diet he is on,

1009
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 2: he is lean and mean now like he's like, yeah,

1010
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 2: it's just the pressure of the job. Like I bet

1011
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: his ways on you.

1012
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard on your body. And those coaches and

1013
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 3: guys that never leave the facility and yeah there's a

1014
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 3: weight room and a workouts facility right there and.

1015
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: They might use it. You don't necessarily have time to

1016
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: do it all the time time to do it, and

1017
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: the stress is really hard on your body. Absolutely. I

1018
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: think he had a bad knee or something at one

1019
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: point too, or he had some kind of bad knees,

1020
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: bad back, yeah, all that stuff. Yeah, So anyways, good

1021
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: for Kevin, go be retired and hang with your grand kids.

1022
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: Absolutely right. Anyways, Matt, that's going to do it for

1023
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: our show today. So let's shoot tomorrow. Yeah, we'll do

1024
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: it again the marrow. We do it every day because

1025
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: that's just what we do. Not on the weekends, but

1026
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: we do. We're here every day of the week. But

1027
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Speaker 2: that's going to do it for the show today. So

1028
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Speaker 2: for my partner Matt Williamson, CJ. Wolfley here on site

1029
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 2: running the soundboard, making sure that the Justin Miller hot

1030
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Speaker 2: line stays fired up, even though we didn't use the

1031
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Speaker 2: Justin Miller hotline today. For Tyler vett Meyer and four

1032
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Speaker 2: Kevin Dandridge making sure the video gets out there on

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Speaker 2: the YouTube. Check it out there. I am Dale, Lolly.

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Speaker 2: We thank you for listening to this edition of the

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Speaker 2: Drive on the Steelers Audio Network.