1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: You know you're not never You're never ready. You know 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: you're not ever ready. Dude, I called an hour early. 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: I was ready, but you're right. I'm I'm you know what, 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: I'm not on I'm on time, but I'm never ready. 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: Actually you're correct. Welcome to the NFL Players Second Acts Podcast. 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: I'm Peter and Tillman and I got my guy Roman. 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: I am never on time or have my stuff ready? 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: Harper with me today as my coals. What's up balls? 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: What's up? My boy? And you know what, I was 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: on time, I just didn't have my stuff, So you're 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: kind of right. I mean you did you There's a 12 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: couple of things you gotta, you know, get right here. 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: Um would a charge or not? The charge of the 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: USB microphone microphone? Yeah, yeah, you gotta get that. But 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: whatever the case, we're gonna get you set up. Today, 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: we got a special guest, Sees, a former teammate of mine, 17 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: a former irishman. We got Darryl dc Amble joining us 18 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: today on the show. DC. What's up baby? How you doing? 19 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: What's up? Peanut Man? Appreciate your own man. Love to 20 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: be on the show Man. You guys are funny as 21 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: all get out. Love it, love it to death, love 22 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: the banner you guys have it. M just glad to 23 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: be on um Man journey, right, That's pretty much what 24 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: it's all about. Notre Dame to Chicago with you, um, 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: watching you run around Peanut punching the hell out of everybody, 26 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: which is great. Um. And then to the Browns for 27 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: a season under Romeo Carneal won four games and that 28 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: was just horrible. That was just horrible. Yep. And then 29 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: to Tampa for a couple of seasons under Gruden UM 30 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: and then starting my trick with the Arena Football League 31 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: with the Orlando Predators for a season. By halfway through there, 32 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: Baltimore picked me up, so I got to put my 33 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: hand in the dirt again. Release once they after couple 34 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: couple of games. And then to Canada, where I think 35 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: right before this we were talking about my uh my 36 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: Kimbo Kimbo slice affinity, you know, so I had How 37 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: long was I was? How long was the one season 38 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: in a Great Cup with Mark Trust was the head 39 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: coach there? Um? It was. It was pretty good, pretty 40 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: pretty awesome. Different ball out there for no, not Toronto, 41 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: the Montreal Montreal the yeah yeah yeah played played Calgary 42 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: and the Great Cup and uh yeah and one and 43 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, those Montreal days were pretty pretty cool. 44 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: I think you got to get get use to that 45 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: French Canadian speech though. That's something else, that's a that's 46 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: a yeah. And they encourage you to try and speak 47 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: French right like the more you. Oh yeah, if if 48 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: you're coming from below the border and you're trying to 49 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: just roll roll with English, that's just not gonna work. 50 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you're not You're not gonna get a sandwich 51 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: when you try to go to put you ain't gonna 52 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: get nothing. They're gonna they're gonna work with you. You 53 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: know a little bit. A little bit I've been in, 54 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: I got a little bit, you know what I mean. 55 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: A lot of the trainers, those part of their staff 56 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: kind of helped me out. Um. But I think the 57 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: one thing you just gotta be honest, man. You gotta 58 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: know your lane. As long as your honest, people will 59 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: work with you. If if you if you try to 60 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 1: do something they know you can't you listen, you don't 61 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 1: even stop that, just don't even go there, you know 62 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: what I mean? But uh yeah, as long as you honest, 63 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: you stay in your lane. People will work with you, 64 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: you know who as you went in a trail Rome. 65 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: So I went there for Kai you know Kaya Bearer. 66 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, he got married in Montreal. 67 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: He was there for a very long time. So that 68 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: was one of my trips to Montreal. And it's funny. 69 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: So I took French in high school and so I 70 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: pick up the little things. I know how to read it, 71 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: I know how to say the little things. You know. 72 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: Jim Uppelle Roman talk a little bit here and there. 73 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: You attempt, but like he's saying though, like being a 74 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: brother from below the border and you come up there 75 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: like you must attempt to speak rich. You've got a shot. 76 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: It will not be happy with you because Montreal is 77 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: one of those like hard hard French Canadian lines, like 78 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: that's where it is, and they want you to speak 79 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: French there. They don't want you to be speaking English 80 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: in Montreal, so especially certain parts of it. So it's 81 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: really cool to experience that and hearing, you know, doing 82 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: some research on DC Man and hearing his adventures about 83 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: in Montreal, which to me, I think we really need 84 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: to jump into that. It's a lot more to unpack 85 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: in your one season in Montreal under coach Trestman, everything 86 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,119 Speaker 1: that you got to do and experience there. I listened 87 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: to you on another podcast talk about, you know how 88 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: the videoographer guys like they didn't speak English and all 89 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: a sudden they quit and halfway through the season. Now 90 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: you step in and they didn't even know you could 91 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: do this. They were like, hey, you know, well you 92 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: were already doing some my T stuff once you got 93 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: off of work, and you're like, hey, maybe I could 94 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: you know, fill in this board for you and they're like, nah, 95 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: you just focus on football, and it's okay, go ahead, 96 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: felt and then eventually they came back to you. Yeah. 97 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: The crazy thing is when you have discriminal employees, especially 98 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: in that whole it videography world, it's just not a 99 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: good look for the team. So, you know, I kind 100 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: of figured it like this, Well, I'm going to be 101 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: watching film anyway, just as all the other you know, 102 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: my teammates. Well, like, you know, hey, man, so I'm 103 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: a few extra Canadians so I can get this done 104 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: for us and then make some highlight clips on the way. 105 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really just apply, just applying yourself, man, 106 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: trying to make extra buck and you know, make make 107 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: sure making sure that everybody else's uh you know, comes 108 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: along with you with respect to that. So before you 109 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: making an extra buck though, yeah, I mean it was 110 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: like it was like unpaid and stuff. Right. He was 111 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: doing it just to do it to kind of help 112 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: everybody else out. Well, yeah, I mean to start, but 113 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: then after a while, like it just you know, you 114 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: gotta gotta gotta slide a little bit of extra something, 115 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because it's just the time, man. 116 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: You know this, and you know, people like if you 117 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: if you, if you study and taping, like you're like 118 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: all right, man, like I'm trying to to study my opponent. 119 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I got to get this 120 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: ready for like everybody else, you know what I mean, 121 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: Like it's the time spend value received that this just 122 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: got has to has to line up, so um, and 123 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: they didn't slipping a few extra dollars which was cool. Um. 124 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, well a lot of it was really fun. Though. 125 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: When did you get started? I know, because you had 126 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: you had trust, when I had trust. When he was 127 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: in Chicago, What time would you guys start your day? 128 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: The schedule is a little bit similar to like NFL ball. 129 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: You're up there early, you eat in the morning, you 130 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: kind of go through your walk throughs throughout the day, 131 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: and then you go and you have your practice. It's 132 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: just that it finishes a lot, a lot sooner than 133 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: than NFL ball does. So he tried to be as 134 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: with us, but it didn't. It didn't work. It So, yeah, 135 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: ro it was not Oh what did he drove with? 136 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: You got try the same type of thing happen. So 137 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: now you know how you do one on ones the 138 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: whole time, right, you know, you do walk through and 139 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,119 Speaker 1: then you have like scout one, scout two, scout team whatever. 140 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: We would do scout team, but it was a walking 141 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: scout team. So you never saw the Yeah, you never 142 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: saw the plays from the offense full speed. It was 143 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: at a walkthrough pace. And I remember Lands and I 144 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: were like, hey, can we can we get these plays 145 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: a little bit faster because come Sunday, they're gonna be 146 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: running this goal route, They're gonna be running this smash 147 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: or this high loves like they're gonna do it fast. 148 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: Like I can. I can defend this all day. I'm 149 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: all pro in a walkthrough, but I need to see 150 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: this faster. But we literally would practice full speed ones 151 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: on one. So it was a training camp practice. Every 152 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,559 Speaker 1: single day it was just our offense, number one offense 153 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: versus number one defense. I couldn't tell you how many 154 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: times I knew our own offenses, our offensive plays, because 155 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: we went against them every team period, every single day. 156 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: They didn't work out. I mean, it's cool in Canada, 157 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: you know AFL, you know Canadian CFL. Excuse me, but 158 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: it just how we did things. Nah, man, it didn't 159 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: really work out for us. When did you know, like 160 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: it was time to be done. I knew you're making 161 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: you're making edits, you're doing all these films, But when 162 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: did you know it was time to be done? Like 163 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: you know, and I think I've I think I've got 164 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: my last sack. It's time to hang these clicks up. 165 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: So once I was done with Canada and after that 166 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: that first season, came back to the States and I 167 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: was just kind of mouling around for a while. Like 168 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: my my wife was, you know, an investment banker with 169 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: City Banks. She had just transferred from Chase in Chicago. Um, 170 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: we're in Philly. We had no family here, you know, 171 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: in pa um and my son was my son was 172 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: my son was as I was to stay at home dad. 173 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: And you know, my wife came home one day and 174 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: she was like, listen, you know, like this is all 175 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: great for you to be, you know, with your son, 176 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: with your boy. Look, I love it. I love the 177 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: fact that you are embracing fatherhood. But you know, she 178 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: said like, hey, you know what, there's more to you 179 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: than this. You know, there's there's more to you than this. Um, 180 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: maybe maybe reach out to your coaches, maybe, you know, 181 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: ask around. Maybe maybe you can get into coaching. Maybe 182 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: that's like your next deal. Um. So I reached out 183 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: to Trestman and he was still with it with Montreal. UM. 184 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: I said, listen, you know, based upon the skill set 185 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: that you know, I've showed out in Canada. UM, do 186 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: you know anybody in the industry, you have any friends, 187 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: any connections something. I'm just looking for the next step here. Um. 188 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: He said. I have a friend at NFL Film's name 189 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: is Greg Cosell. He's the executive producer for ESPN NFL Matchup. UM, 190 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: I can't promise you anything. I talked to him. Go 191 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: over there to Mount Laurel, NFL Films headquarters and you know, 192 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: have a conversation, be yourself. Probably shaved the Afro Kimbo 193 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: slice thing before you do that? That would that would 194 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: be good? Um? I was like sure. Um. I ended 195 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: up showing up an NFL film suited and booted as 196 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 1: in the lower level atrium, um and waiting for care 197 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: then and Jaluci now Rodgers, who is kind of like 198 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: the production coordinator here in the NFL film on the 199 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: end the producers department. She was upstairs. First person I 200 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: meet with Steve Sable. He comes to the double doors 201 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: to the lower level cafe and he's like, hey, are 202 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: you waiting for someone? I was like, yeah, I'm here 203 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: to meet with Greg Cosell. He's like, we'll get up 204 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: there sooner or later, but let me take you on 205 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: a tour. But I'm like, but Kara's coming to take me, 206 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: but don't worry about it, so Joe, she'll catch up. 207 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: Though I did that, you can't even like whatever you 208 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: wants me to do, I'm about to do. So. I mean, 209 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: he took me everywhere. He told me about all the 210 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: art work that he himself created that's littered all over 211 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: the walls here in the NFL films. It's it's pretty amazing. 212 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: Um took them to the studio, my audio department. Um, 213 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: they have like their own like they have an orchestra here, 214 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: their own orchestra here. It's crazy, um feel like background 215 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: music like all that. Oh yeah, they create their compose 216 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: their own music here. Um. So took me on a 217 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: full fledged tour of NFL Films facilities outside inside the 218 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: whole nine. I end up in the office with Greg 219 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: co Cell and he's literally just picking my brain on tape. 220 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: All twenty two tape. That's all this man does all day, 221 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: every day, five in the morning to seven eight at 222 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: pm and night he is all twenty two tricked out. 223 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: That's just still um picks my brain about football knowledge, 224 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: you know, defensive line knowledge. Up. I met um Pat 225 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: kellerher and Ross Ketever here they are the two, the 226 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: two and headed dragon here at the NFL Films now 227 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: the new Steve and then Sable um if you will, 228 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: since they're passing um. And it was just natural, man. 229 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:40,599 Speaker 1: It was almost like I found, you know, I just 230 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: I found my new team. And you guys know how 231 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: it is, once you're done playing ball, you just you 232 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: just searching for the next that next locker room experience 233 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: to kind of like you know, grandfather's you in. So 234 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: when you said he was picking your brain about tape, like, 235 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: what does what does that even mean? Like? I get 236 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: picking a brain about football, Like what does d line do? 237 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: What was a quarterback? Due? I get that, But how 238 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: do you pick someone's brain about like tape? What does 239 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: that even Literally literally feet kicked up on the desk, 240 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: big monitor on his wall, all to all twenty two rolling. 241 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: Hey tell me about this, uh this smash concept over here. 242 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: Hey tell me about you know, covering three boundary lock 243 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: that's going on down here here? Tell me about you know, 244 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: the inside blitz. And I'm sitting me. Were looking at 245 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: this man like, No, who knows ball? He's just in 246 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: the office, Like he's like he knows ball. He's just 247 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: in the crazy thing. He's like he never played football, 248 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: but he's just like a student of the game. It's 249 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: like an intellectual exercise for this man. Like every the 250 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: fact that he had, you know, he had a wealth 251 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: of football knowledge and he was speaking my language. You know. 252 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: I appreciated that, and I kind of feel like, yeah, 253 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: I think I can do this. This is this is 254 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: where I need to be. So earned met. No, they 255 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: didn't hire me on hire me on the spot. Like, 256 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: they waited about a week or so and then they 257 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: called me in to get an internship opportunity. So that 258 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: first year, came in learned behind a guy by the 259 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: name of Nick Kehoe who was the graphic producer for 260 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: an NFL matchup. UM picked his brain every single day 261 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: until the following season when they hired me on as 262 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: a seasonal and I took over the range for him 263 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: and match up for like three years before they made 264 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: me full time. Got you? So when you finally got 265 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: the job, though, how was it going from professional athlete 266 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: to an unpaid intern? How was it? How was that transition? Oh? Yeah, 267 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: I mean, well, not making no money is not really fun. 268 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's it's it's uh, it's 269 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: it's the learning experience. You know. I kind of think, 270 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: I just you gotta put in its sweat equity, you 271 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: know what I mean, You gotta put it, you gotta 272 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: put it, put it in terms like that. So I 273 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: was learning UM and while I was in here was 274 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: just it was just a matter of the curiosity, just 275 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: like all twenty two was an intellectual exercise for Greg. 276 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: It's just like you know, when you're a player, and 277 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: you go to a new team, you gotta you gotta 278 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: learn the roads, you gotta learn the plays, you gotta 279 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: learn the ins and out to the of the defense 280 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: so that you can find where it is your best 281 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: suited and how it is you can you know, activate forwards. 282 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: So you know, for me, I was like, well, you 283 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: know what you know, I'm a computer science you know, 284 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: software programming engineering guy, and let me go talk to 285 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: people I know that speak my same language in this world. 286 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: Let me go to the engineering side talk to them. 287 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: They showed me how things the back end and the 288 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: front end works with with with within the realm of 289 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: TAKEE masters and lto and like how the offline side 290 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: of the building communicates with the on side online side 291 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: of the building, which none of the producers really know 292 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: that more do their care um. But to me, that's 293 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: where I kind of found my niche and um and 294 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: also too, it goes a long way treating people how 295 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: you how they deserve to be treated, from low level 296 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: groundskeeper to VP of the organization. I just kind of 297 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: kept that mindset as well. And there is nothing that 298 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: I couldn't ask anyone. I could I go into anyone's room, office, meeting, 299 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And they would just welcoming 300 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: U and and and and and willing to to to 301 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: give me as much knowledgeist you know, I crave, so 302 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: you know, I use that, applied that and you know, 303 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: three Emmys and a couple promotions later here I am 304 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: em Yeah, I got a few of them. So it 305 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: really is a team game though, right, like taking the 306 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: team from playing football, you know, the D line defense 307 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: or whatever, and then you transition at kind of in 308 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: this new professional this new transition um and and broadcasting 309 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: right or excuse me, production. I've gone to a couple 310 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: of broadcast boot camps and I don't really talk about 311 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: like the on camera you know thing for talent. I'm 312 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: always there to just let people know and let players know, like, hey, 313 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: there's another side of this thing that where where you 314 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: can really add in and in amazing ways, which is 315 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: the back end being an editor, being a graphics producer, 316 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: you know, um, being a director, that like there's there's 317 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: there's so much application based upon our careers that we 318 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: can add into that that's so different than just the 319 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: normal producer who's lean has always been filming the whole lot, 320 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, but at the end of the day though, 321 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: and we talked about that last night though about just 322 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: you know, some for the kids who never make it 323 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: to the NFL and they think their life is always like, oh, 324 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: I didn't make it to the league, but you can 325 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: still do or have a job around football that keeps 326 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: you connected to the game. Absolute producer, a scout, a coach, 327 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: a director like you said, So, yeah, I think that's um, 328 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: it's just way more. There's so many more ways to 329 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: be a part of the game without actually being on 330 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: the field, tackling and playing the game. And I don't 331 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: think as young people, especially as African Americans, like we 332 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: only see the only way to get there. We gotta 333 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: be the guy. We got to be the man. We 334 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: don't actually talking encourage enough of our young our young 335 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: people in this world, especially in America, that I mean, 336 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: you can still do other things than of yourself, whether 337 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: it's being a cameraman, working the chains, being in upstairs, 338 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: involved with different organizations. I think that's so cool and 339 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: so true. I don't think we talk enough about that. 340 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's my question for you, DC. Yeah, my 341 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: question for you, DC is like, and we all struggle 342 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: with this, how do you change that perception of everybody 343 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: else that I'm more than just the athlete or I'm 344 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: just an athlete in this space. I think the way 345 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: the way that's worked for me has been basically sticking 346 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: to my truth, which is, you know, embracing the fact 347 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: that I'm an athlete and that I am set apart 348 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: in that way. You know, my eyes over the course 349 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: of my career have been my lens if we if 350 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: we talk about production, you know what I mean. But 351 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of stories. I have, you know, 352 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: a knowledge base and the skill set that's that's applicable 353 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: in this field in a much different way than someone again, 354 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: like we said before, who's never played the game and 355 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: who's only been about film and understanding the nuance they're in. So, 356 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: you know, for the pe Nut Tillmans, for the Roman 357 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: Harpers of the world, you guys are so unique because 358 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: you guys have seen the game and game in such 359 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: a way that no producer on this side of the 360 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: fence has ever seen it like you. You you have 361 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: been using your lenses and capturing footage. You know what 362 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: You're what your what your writtiness for years, you know, 363 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: at a high level, bringing that to this side, like 364 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: people minds will be blown like you have no idea, 365 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: you know. So that's that's how how it worked for me, 366 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: and I think for for any you know, player that 367 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: is done with the game to to to understand and 368 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: know that you know, hey, it's not over. You can 369 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: just take everything that you have experienced, hands on experience 370 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: handing the dirt or you know, backpedaling into the backfield 371 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: and bringing that to this side of the fence. So 372 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm jealous that you got emmies. You got three emmies. 373 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: I want to emmy listen. I promise you you keep 374 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: doing this, man, You're gonna be you can be just 375 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: like Dave Bennins and you too. So you got you 376 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: got three of them, don't you. M Yes? So what 377 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: are your Emmy's in US best sports serialized documentaries? Two 378 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: of them for Hard Knocks, one for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 379 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: one for the Houston Texans UM and then our NFL 380 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: hundred UM production. I think, well, during that season a 381 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: few few years ago, like myself however, really produced there 382 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: are we have something like twenty some odd thirty producers 383 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: in the house to cut that basically taking like seven 384 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: eight hundred hours of footage and dueling it down to 385 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: the best hour of television. Each training a camp for 386 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: whatever hard knocks, you know, team, we're focusing on what 387 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: it is seven Yeah, what do you say? That's how much? Yeah? 388 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: We're basically like when when everybody's at home and that 389 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: Tuesday night and they were watching that Best one hour. Yeah, 390 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: on Monday it started out, it's like seven hundred and 391 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: fifty hours of footage, but do you have to watch? 392 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: So y'all divide it all up, like if you it's 393 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: twenty of us, we got seven hundred hours of film. 394 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: How much film do I get? How much film do 395 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: you get? How much film does wrong get? So? I 396 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: mean so it's it's it's it's not even it's like 397 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: all hands on deck, you know. And you also think 398 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: you got your your twenty head producers, you know or 399 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: twenty harman is you have your twenty head producers. When 400 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: you have assistance production assistance, they're all helping the law 401 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: footage of one you know what it is that you're 402 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: looking at, right, and then you get those subclips and 403 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: you can put that into the best one hour story 404 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: starting from that seven fifty and that happens seven days 405 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: a week for seven straight weeks. So like this it's 406 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: almost like a training camp experience here on the editor 407 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: on the production side, just to get to the best 408 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: one hour for you know, public consumption at home. And 409 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: it's all about are you guys trying to tell a 410 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: specific story or do you kind of just like, well, 411 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: wherever this journey kind of takes is we just know that. 412 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. It's like you glory ever changed 413 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: from week one to week two in the training camp, 414 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: were like, dude, we didn't even know we had this. 415 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: Now we got to really give more of this. Well, 416 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: here's the thing. It's just like this this past you 417 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: know someone we did with, you know, Detroit Lions. So 418 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: like my first few weeks, i had Dan Campbell, Aaron Glenn, 419 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,479 Speaker 1: Brad Holmes. Right, those are those are my characters, right, 420 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: So hey, DC, you're a sign of these guys cover 421 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: whatever it is that you think is best. Now. We 422 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: have production meetings every day, like and we talk about notes. 423 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: We talked about different things that we everyone saw and 424 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, okay, cool, let me write this down 425 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: that was on this tape. Oh this this assistant saw this, 426 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: um while I was loving and saw this, and then 427 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: you put your best stories together for those characters and 428 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: it's all comprised into that best hour, you know, for 429 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: for Joe fan at home with the best case scenario 430 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: of just showcasing coaches. Dan Campbell has a huge personality. 431 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: Not former teammate in New Worth and he was awesome 432 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: and he coached there. He was the last couple of 433 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: years before he got this Detroit job. Age was a 434 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: former teammate of mine. He has a great personality. To 435 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: hear him and do Staley going back and forth, I'm like, 436 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: they're gonna each one of these guys gonna get a 437 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: new coaching job off this hard Knocks. It was like 438 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: the best job interview that you could ever do. And 439 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: I was so appreciative of it because everybody has this 440 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: negative opinion about Detroit, and after you watched two episodes, 441 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: you're like, man, I love this coaching staff. Oh yeah, 442 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: unique case of all these former players that are now 443 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: on the staff. I thought it was amazing that you 444 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: guys are able to pull this off, and the way 445 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: you showcased it and packaged it was beautifully dub. I 446 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: gotta ask you a question. Room is Dan Campbell really 447 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: liked that in like in real life because he really 448 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: liked that. Like, I just gotta ask you because that 449 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: man was first on who swore was a man connected 450 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: this one No just one piece, you know, like why 451 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: why bro it is so number one? He kind of 452 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: is like that man. He's kind of a meathead that 453 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: has learned to be able to manage a game. When 454 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: he got the interim job in Miami, did a great 455 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: job of really turning them around. Then he came back 456 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: to us and continue to coach and and I think 457 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: because he's been around so many great coaches in his 458 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: past that he has learned what it takes on that 459 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: side of it. But he deep doubt he is a meathead. 460 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: Like and I don't think that, lady. I think everybody 461 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,479 Speaker 1: just and it respects and he's just like I mean, 462 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: he's kind of gonna just be this meat head of 463 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: a head coach. And he's willing to lift weights or 464 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: like he says, bite ankles or whatever else. I think 465 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: he really truly believes those things when he says that. 466 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: I don't think he's like just saying it to get attention. Now. 467 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: I think that's who he is here in the division. 468 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to see him win, but after watching 469 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: Hard Knocks, I will say I will probably admit this. 470 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: I want to see him do well. The heartbreak on 471 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: some of these guys is awful. Um, it's really really tough, man. 472 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: And that maybe so you can talk about DC is 473 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: uh maybe some of the benefits of positives from young journey. 474 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: You know, it's gone from team to team, from league 475 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: the league. What is that Has it had had any 476 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 1: kind of impact in your current journey now that you're 477 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: I think even when I even when I take like 478 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: NFL films into you know, um, when when I put 479 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: it into put it into perspective, Um, there's highs and 480 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: lows and everything fellas I mean, you know that, Um, 481 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to me being a journeyman just 482 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: kind of you know, living out of a bag for 483 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: the majority of my career. Um. You know, after you 484 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: get let go a couple of times, um, and I'm 485 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm a faith based man. It's it got to the 486 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: point where I was like, you know what, whoever guy 487 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: wants me, that's what I'm gonna be. And when I 488 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: settle in and I find you know that that team 489 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: that like you know, I'm I'm there for the long haul. 490 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: You know the door won't be you know, shutting my face, 491 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: or I won't be closed. You know I'll be there 492 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: forever and always so the check. We gonna take a 493 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: little break right now when we come back. We got 494 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: some quick hitter questions for him, all right, if we 495 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: want to welcome you guys back me my co host, 496 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: pe Nut Tilman or some people call him Charles, but 497 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: I don't know many people that call him that. Pet 498 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: Tilman on the other side, and our guests for the day, 499 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: Darryl Campbell ak a d C DC man. We got 500 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: some quick hitters for you. Are you ready? I am 501 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: all right? All right. Number one, I want to know 502 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: your favorite moment of your playing career. Favorite moment two 503 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: thousand and four, two thousand and five. Minimally, I'm in 504 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: the middle of a game. I can't recall who we're playing, 505 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: but I got Lands Brig, I got Hunter hilen Meyer, 506 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: and I got Brian Urlacker behind me, and I totally 507 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: totally forget to play. Totally brain gone out the window 508 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: looking back. All I know is black come up to 509 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: me and say, listen, big dog, don't boy. I'll make 510 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: you right. Shit, that's it. Favorite player ever. True leadership, 511 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: truly true leadership. The boy said, I forgot to play. 512 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: Look back like, hey, what's the play. Don't worry about 513 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: a dog I got you. Just do what you want. 514 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's confidence. I got it. So if you 515 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: weren't a producer, here's here's mine. If you weren't a 516 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: producing what other career or professional would you be doing 517 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: right now? I would be an it professional. Um. I 518 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: would have a small cubicle almost Prairie dog style, popping 519 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: up from it, and I would probably be doing either 520 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: building laptops or doing some type of NSA or STP 521 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: building apps. That would probably be the career that I 522 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: would choose. Who's on your personal Mount Rushmore? People who 523 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: have helped you be successful in life as it as 524 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: a whole. Uh you get for remember because we don't 525 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: all know how many people. He might not know how 526 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: many mount rushmore. So so I'm showing you four. So uh, 527 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: I start off with my mom. H she would she 528 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: would be the number one. Um, because I watched that 529 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: woman you know, uh work her tail off when my 530 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: dad left when I was three to provide you know, 531 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: rough and over my head and and make sure I 532 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: went to college. And you know, she was the one 533 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: that put in like two hundred light bulbs so I 534 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: didn't fall asleep after football practice and not want to 535 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: do my homework. You know what I mean? She was 536 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: always there. Some mom's number one, Uh my number two, 537 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: I would say, Um, honestly, I say my number two 538 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: would would be a compendium of all of the players 539 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: I had a chance to to to play with. Uh. 540 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: The Tommy Harris is in Chicago, you know who you know, 541 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: just watching him body control, just kind of just just 542 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: an absolute beast. Um. Tank Johnson's you, peanut. You know 543 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: how hard you work every People don't realize how you know, 544 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: I can't curse on this podcast, how f and hard 545 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: you worked your whole career. Man, It's it's it's real. 546 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: I've said this before another meetings we've been on two 547 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: Like I look up to you man. Um. You know, 548 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: um the Orphans Roys of the world, Um, the Chris Hovans, um, 549 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: the Kevin Carter's everybody, every great player that poured into 550 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: me along my journey to just you know, do the 551 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: very best I possibly can. Um. So that might be several, 552 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: but I'll just package them into one um Um. I 553 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: think my third would be, you know, being able to 554 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: come here and applying knowledge learned from guys like you know, 555 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: Grego Sell. Um. I'd say Grego sell was a was 556 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: a really big help. Because it's one thing to be 557 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: a player, like a defensive lineman. You know, understanding the 558 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: full breadth of work as it as it pertains to 559 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: put my hand in the dirt is one thing. But 560 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: you know, if if if I'm honest, his knowledge base 561 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: was about the game and its entirety. You know what 562 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: I mean, if you were to ask me like like 563 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: what was a smash concept or you know, fire x 564 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: blitz and what how how linebackers that I would have 565 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: no idea. I just know that right here I got 566 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: to I got this be yeap, I gotta jet it 567 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: and I gotta make some plays, you know what I'm saying. 568 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: You know, if you if we're talking like boundary, cover three, 569 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: lock or cover three in general and all the like, 570 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: you know, quarters, coverage, quarter, quarter, half, all that type 571 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: of stuff, I ain't had no that wasn't in my playbook, 572 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: No no way, but to actually learn about the nuance 573 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: of the game and its entirety offense and defense and 574 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: learning from somebody like that. It actually gives me a 575 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: newfound appreciation all the guys I used to play with 576 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: two Like the stuff that y'all had to do in 577 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: the back. That's crazy, it's just ridiculous. Just I don't 578 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: even know hype. But that's why y'all do what y'all doing. 579 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: Y'all as great as y'all are. Um, And then I'd say, um, 580 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, not that this should be last, but you know, 581 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: being a faith based man, it's always first. But it's 582 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: one of them, you know, just my faith and God 583 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: and just trusting, you know, the process, embracing you know, 584 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: every up and not so up because all of those, 585 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: all of the adversity face lead led me to this 586 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: podcast and to you guys. So I think God has 587 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: really been a blessing over the course of my life 588 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: and my career most definitely. Amen. Amen, all right. I 589 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: think we all we all said a mom. Mom was 590 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: in mind. Mom was a humorist. I think John Running 591 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: he said his mom was at his UM, I got 592 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: one for you, filling the blank. My life right now 593 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: is a blessing. It's a blessing. Um. I say that 594 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: because you know there's a there's a point in i'd 595 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: say two thousand and fifteen, two and sixteen where um, 596 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: and again it might be a little bit personal too 597 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: much for this, I don't know, but um I had to. 598 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: I had a perianal abscess in my heart stopped a 599 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: couple of times. Um. You never know why things happen, 600 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,479 Speaker 1: but I can tell you one thing that like when 601 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: you're in the hospital table, when you got doctors surrounding, 602 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: you're saying, hey, listen, you know, um, you might want 603 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: to talk to your son and your wife because you know, 604 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: if this this procedure doesn't go well, and say you 605 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: get buy a type deal. Um, and to still be 606 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: here and to again, like I say, be talking to 607 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: you guys. Um, you know, life is a blessing. Man. 608 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna write, I'm gonna right side of 609 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: the ground every day and I don't take anything for granted. 610 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: Right Glad you're here. That's d that's great man. That 611 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: whenever you get to talk to people that actually appreciate 612 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: the space to their end every day, you know that 613 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: really goes a long way and really pouring into others. 614 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: And you know we can pick up so much just 615 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: by speaking to you, just by engaging with you. Somebody 616 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: that's thankful, appreciative of just being where they are, their 617 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: feet where they are, and actually having the opportunities right 618 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: in front of them. Man, that really goes a long way. 619 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: So I appreciate you joining us and you know, really 620 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: just blessing us with your presence and your experience, your 621 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: life journeys all those other things. Man. Really cool. Also 622 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: giving all the dbs some love too, because me and 623 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: Peanut got know. The further you are away from the ball, 624 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: where you gotta be. I don't think people that you 625 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: gotta be able to figure stuff out and connect the dots, 626 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: because when you're close to the ball, you don't have 627 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: to know everything. Like you said, dude, I've just got 628 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: this gap, but I'm good way from the ball. You 629 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: gotta know everything got It's a lot of things you 630 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: gotta be able to figure out. Trying to tell you 631 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: you guys are the smartest like safeties, corners, Man, you're 632 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: the smartest dudes on the field. Man, I think safes 633 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: are the smartest ones on the field. In my opinion, 634 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: I would I would say safeties. I think safeties are 635 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: the smartest players on the field. I think corners are 636 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: the most athletic players on the field. Yeah, I get that. 637 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: I would definitely that Peanuts one of the smartest corners 638 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: I ever knew because he actually wanted to know what 639 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: other people wanted to do in the defense. Most corners 640 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: I played with, like, bro, what I got like, they 641 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: don't even want to waste all that time learning everything 642 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: else that is safety has to learn. So um, it 643 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: is a it's a it's a thought game. It's definitely 644 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: a process. Chess. Absolutely well, I'm gonna go ahead and 645 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: get us up out of here. Man, appreciate it. Hey, 646 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: thank you all the listeners that tune in today. I 647 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: would ask you to continue to spread the world about 648 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: our podcast. Give us a rating, hit a review, and 649 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: a follow wherever you get your podcasts at. Please tune 650 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: in and do that for us. And they tell a 651 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: friend wh