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Speaker 1: The volume. This is the best of the Colin Coward Podcast.

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Speaker 1: We had a full week of amazing guests, Rich Paul

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Speaker 1: of Clutch Sports, a Key to Leave and John Middlecoff

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Speaker 1: on free agency. Andrew Marshan with his interesting takeaways from

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Speaker 1: the new NFL media deal, and Drew breeses broadcasting Future,

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Speaker 1: and Chad Millman on the NCAA tournament betting. But first

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Speaker 1: my top takes of the week. I want to start

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Speaker 1: with some thoughts on Lebron James injury, Lakers superstar high

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Speaker 1: ankle sprain out indefinitely. Insurance is something you hope you

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Speaker 1: never actually need until that one time you do. Freak

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Speaker 1: accidents happen to everybody. They're unavoidable. People get sick, cars

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Speaker 1: get broken into, roofs, get damaged. Insurance isn't just peace

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Speaker 1: of mind, because when disaster strikes, which it will, insurance

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Speaker 1: literally save the day. In the NBA, you can afford

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Speaker 1: to lose one of your stars, you can't afford to

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Speaker 1: When the Brooklyn Nets went out and got James hardened,

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Speaker 1: As for the Lakers, we already know that Anthony Davis's

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Speaker 1: injury prone, brittle, and whether you like to admit it,

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Speaker 1: Lebron James has now suffered two serious injuries in three seasons.

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Speaker 1: Freak accidents happen, and the Lakers have no insurance plan.

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Speaker 1: You'll want to blame Solomon Hill, but the truth is

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Speaker 1: The nets got hardened to ensure the success of k

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Speaker 1: D and Kyrie. The Lakers need Adley Beale to ensure

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Speaker 1: Lebron and ad go and get a third star. If not,

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Speaker 1: you will have failed Lebron James. Big threes aren't about

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Speaker 1: stacking the deck. They're about protecting your neck. There is

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Speaker 1: nothing more popular in entertainment right now than nostalgia. Disney

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Speaker 1: made the Lion King in Aladdin. The streaming service Peacock

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Speaker 1: as fun and easy, and it works in entertainment. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't work in sports, and specifically the NBA. In the

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Speaker 1: past twenty four hours, Steve Kerr was upset about his

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Speaker 1: comment on the twenty nineteen Warriors dynasty being taken out

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Speaker 1: in league history. In both instances, they're focused on the

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Speaker 1: wrong thing. The Warriors might have been our most recent dynasty,

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Speaker 1: but to remain an elite organization, stop looking back. I

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Speaker 1: Steph might have been the face of the All Star weekend,

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Speaker 1: Steve Kerr is concerned with his comment on a podcast.

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Speaker 1: The real concerns are Stephen Clay's injuries piling up and

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Speaker 1: the trade deadline and landing the next free agent. Worry

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Speaker 1: less about your hurt feelings and more about your hurt ligaments.

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Speaker 1: Worry less about your place in history and more about

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Speaker 1: your place in the Western conference standings. The Warriors dynasty

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Speaker 1: will make for a great nostalgic documentary someday. I'll watch it,

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Speaker 1: so will you. But if the Warriors want to watch

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Speaker 1: about a podcast and comments about Katie NBA trade deadline. Listen.

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Speaker 1: Two things that jumped out to me Chicago, the Bulls

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Speaker 1: buddy Rich Paul, founder and CEO of Klutch Sports Group,

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Speaker 1: example with jay Z jay Z owns Rock Nation Sports.

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Speaker 1: the callin Coward podcast. So let's start with this. So

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Speaker 1: you've hammered that point home. Well, Russell's also has a

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Speaker 1: massive ego. Who is there to mediate the situation? Right?

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Speaker 1: So they're button heads. They both have unlimited money and

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Speaker 1: unlimited just power because Russell's up Star and Pete has

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Speaker 1: a contract that's not going away. So who's there to

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Speaker 1: kind of an untenable situation. The problem for Pete is

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Speaker 1: he's not into a rebuild. I think he would have

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Speaker 1: no problem trade in Russell Wilson. But the only trade

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Speaker 1: that makes sense and it's still kind of out there

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Speaker 1: team would be the Raiders. They do have a quarterback

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Speaker 1: to give them. Yeah, because to me, Pete can't trade

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson without getting someone that's viewed as like a

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Speaker 1: do think car actually think that would be somewhat of

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Speaker 1: a win win. It gets John is kind of Star.

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Speaker 1: Pete then gets a lower ego guy that he can

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Speaker 1: Like I just I don't think him and Pete Russell

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Speaker 1: came out and said he listed four teams. You've been

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Speaker 1: covering sports a long time. That's pretty unheard of. Right

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Speaker 1: in the peak of his powers, a Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: all right, We segue to Andrew Marshan, who's the senior

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Speaker 1: sports media writer for The New York Post former regular

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Speaker 1: on ESPN. This week, the NFL signed new media right

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Speaker 1: steals with CBS, NBC, Fox, ESPN, and Amazon, collectively worth

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Speaker 1: one hundred and ten billion over eleven years, basically doubled

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Speaker 1: the value of the presbas contracts. Now, those media rights,

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Speaker 1: as most of you know, are the contracts that give

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Speaker 1: networks permission to broadcast the games. The contracts will take

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Speaker 1: effect in twenty twenty three, run through twenty thirty three,

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Speaker 1: and it will basically cement the NFL status as the

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Speaker 1: country's most lucrative sports league. We thought we'd bring on

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Speaker 1: Andrew Marshan and talk about it. Everybody paid double for

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Speaker 1: the NFL rights except ESPN, and they also got two

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Speaker 1: Super Bowls and flex scheduling on Monday Night football So

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Speaker 1: my winner for my perception just initially was ESPN. Am

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Speaker 1: I right or wrong? You're right, but you also have

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Speaker 1: to factor in you're talking about a last place team

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Speaker 1: that went into contention. So the last deal was so bad.

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Speaker 1: They're spending the most money, they're getting games that are

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Speaker 1: mostly drek. They get you know, they don't have playoffs,

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Speaker 1: they don't Super Bowls, so so they came from last

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Speaker 1: place and now they're in contention. And so yes, I

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Speaker 1: agree with you. They did the best and they had

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Speaker 1: the most work to do, but they did a good

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Speaker 1: job adding the two super Bowls, flex scheduling at the end,

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Speaker 1: more games, thirty more from seventeen to twenty three, overall,

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Speaker 1: getting ABC involved, and you know, they're very happy about

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Speaker 1: having ESPN plus also having a little an exclusive game

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Speaker 1: and then they can put them on there too, so

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Speaker 1: it gives them some flexibility going forward. Yeah, yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's say when it Drew Brees is officially now NBC.

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Speaker 1: He's got a resume, is gonna do some college, some

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Speaker 1: pro some Olympic stuff. So you know, we know al

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Speaker 1: Michaels is in his seventies. Collinsworth, though isn't and is

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Speaker 1: still respected and very employable. Am I supposed to read

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Speaker 1: into this that Tariko and Breeze are the future and

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Speaker 1: that Collinsworth and al or not? What? How? What do

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Speaker 1: I read into this? Yeahs so you should read into

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Speaker 1: an NBC won't say that, but you know this has

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Speaker 1: been going on. Let's just start with Al Michaels probably

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Speaker 1: the greatest play by play TV guy of all time,

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Speaker 1: uh seventy six. Now, I you know I wrote this

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Speaker 1: the other day. You know, he might not throw a

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Speaker 1: hundred anymore, but he still throws to me ninety three,

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Speaker 1: ninety four gets people out. You know, it's still very

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Speaker 1: effective in the booth um. So he's you know, he's

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Speaker 1: he's He's not one of those situations where it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's missing a lot of you know, it's

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Speaker 1: missing everything. And it's not the same amount of Michaels

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Speaker 1: I think again, maybe not as great as his peak,

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Speaker 1: but still very good. But his contracts up. Tariko's the

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Speaker 1: face that NBC. Now he's going to like things can change, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if it's not official next year after the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be Tarrico on Sunday Night Football as the

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Speaker 1: Playboy Player guy. I mean, I don't think i'd be

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Speaker 1: surprised if um, if he's not now it could again

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Speaker 1: that's not official, but like they've made Tarrico the face

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Speaker 1: of NBC when he came over there five years ago.

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Speaker 1: He's supposed to do more football day Thursday night after

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Speaker 1: that time, so he hasn't been able to do it.

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Speaker 1: And and and Al is older, so you know it's

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Speaker 1: understandable their plan now with Collinsworth and Brees, the timetable look,

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Speaker 1: NBC is doing something smart in terms of you bring

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Speaker 1: Breeze in he does not true dame. See if he's good, uh,

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Speaker 1: and then you could elevate him. But I think that

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Speaker 1: could go pretty quickly if he is good, um, because

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Speaker 1: you know that's kind of their new team. Um. And

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Speaker 1: then they work towards that next super Bowl um to

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Speaker 1: you know, Drew Brees and Trico and so I guess

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Speaker 1: when you talk about timetables, I don't know, I'd be

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Speaker 1: kind of I'd be no, I don't know, surprise they

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Speaker 1: gonna see overres does. But I think there's a very

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Speaker 1: good chance not this super Bowl next year NBC has it,

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Speaker 1: but the following one, you know, four years from there.

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Speaker 1: I would think Tarico and Drew Brees would would be

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Speaker 1: the people tough act to follow, But Chad Mellman of

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Speaker 1: the Action Network is gonna do it. Baby. What a

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Speaker 1: crazy Milman, what a nutty march madness. So let me

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Speaker 1: let me start with this. The books are the public,

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Speaker 1: I would guess, because dogs are covering that the books

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Speaker 1: are loving this. The books have loved this tournament, am

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Speaker 1: I right? It has been a phenomenally good tournament because

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Speaker 1: up until yesterday, when it felt like the favorites were

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Speaker 1: covering for the entire day, I think there had been

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Speaker 1: nineteen straight up wins by underdogs. That is the most

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Speaker 1: in twenty years through the first three days of the tournament,

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Speaker 1: so one hundred percent I'm looking at it now, nineteen

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Speaker 1: and twenty four through before yesterday began. So yeah, a massive,

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Speaker 1: massive wind for books, massive massive wind. Usually what that

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Speaker 1: means is massive winds for professional betters because they tend

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Speaker 1: to like to bet underdogs. And we actually talked about

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Speaker 1: this in the podcast last week. Ohio Abilene Christian UCSB

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Speaker 1: didn't win, but UCSB covered Oral Roberts. You know, these

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Speaker 1: were the teams that a lot of professional betters. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about before the tournament began. That rap foot up

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Speaker 1: for the week. We're heading into another big week here

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Speaker 1: at The Volume. Make sure to subscribe and follow us

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