WEBVTT - Conversations About Shame 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.360 Watch up and welcome back to another episode and no 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:07.480 Sillers podcast with your host Now funck that with your 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:18.920 low glasses. Malone, Pete the old Boo Boo Broop group 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:27.000 back on the attack. Our thanks. Man, it's been alone 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:36.920 motherfucking week. It's Wednesday and the week started yesterday. Man, 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:39.800 it feels like I've been in this week. Well, my 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:43.400 week starts on Sunday, like I started weeks on Sundays. 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.280 I'm a Sunday through Saturday, not a Monday through Sunday. Person, 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:52.199 got you? Got you? So? I was looking online and 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:57.520 it's a kid he wraps. His name is Kwando Rondo, 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:03.400 and he put out resignation letter that he was renouncing 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.759 his claim to cripping. Said, I'm gonna lay my flag down. 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.560 Hold up, I'm gonna read it to you. It is 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.759 fucking hilarious. It's like the funniest ship because he wrote 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:20.440 out a full resignation letter. Interesting, I'm gonna read it 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:22.880 to you. Hold on, let me find it. It sounds 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:30.360 like Nixon was it was it from Watergates? Yeah, so 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:34.920 he said, I'm not jump out gang. Ain't no loyalty 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:37.560 in this ship? Oh no, hold up, hold up, I 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:42.000 gotta back up. No here go. Yep, he said I'm 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:45.920 not jump out. Hold on, he says, I'm not jump 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:49.640 out gang either. Ain't no loyalty in this ship. I'm 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:53.600 my own man. I laid my flag down. I'm not 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.720 in h y'all ain't gonna ride for a nigga for real. 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.240 There's no sense of me being a part of y'all ship. 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.960 Y'all funk with the opposition. I don't give a funk 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:07.640 who feels hit fuck you. And if you can't feel 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.200 where I'm coming from on this, you're a bitch ass 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.200 nigga because it don't take rocket science to see what 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:17.840 the funk going on. Everybody already hate me. I really, 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.160 I ain't tripping on the extra hate. I'm about to 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.240 focus on my family's and the ones who gonna really 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:30.800 drop a tear if I die. Where is he fromd 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:34.520 Is he from l A. He's from Savannah, Georgia, but 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:40.480 they have a neighborhood CRIPT gang out there too, and Atlanta. 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.720 I just thought that ship was crazy for Nigga to 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:49.440 actually offer up his resignation letter to his cripping. Yeah, 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.640 he's gonna have to keep his nose cleaning. He might not. 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.760 I want to be an independent should he you know, 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.080 get arrested or anything like that. So what's crazy of 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:04.960 me is right, he had a situation last year right 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.760 where he was getting attacked by a rapper named King 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:12.160 Van out of Chicago and his friend pulled out a 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:16.920 pistol and you know, popp King Von killed King Von. 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:22.960 Rest in peace to King Von. And he came out 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.519 and did interviews. He put out a song called in 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.520 the story Kwando Rondo that is like kind of dissing 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:36.800 you know, King Von. You know he passed away. Um, 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:43.680 I don't really think I don't really think that that 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.840 situation had anything to do with him being a crip. 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.440 I think that was like some rapper ship that happened 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:56.120 and it got out of control. But this is what 0:03:56.480 --> 0:04:02.080 it is weird to me, the fact that he's offering 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:07.520 a resignation letter right and making everybody else seems soft 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.960 and he's the tough one. Well, he's calling other people 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.640 bitch ass niggas if you don't understand, and y'all niggas 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.760 ain't gonna ride for me. It's like they're the soft 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:22.240 ones and he's the tough one. Mm hm. I just 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:26.360 thought that was weird as hell. It's like you pretty 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.440 much doing something that you would know and I would know, 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.640 and anybody from the life would call like a mark out, 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.640 Like you're marking out because he was just in l 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:40.800 A and a friend of his got killed and it's 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.480 like now the pressure is there and you don't like 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:47.960 how the energy is around, so it's like you're blaming 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.279 the gang, but none of this has anything to do 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.800 with the gang, Like what does this have to do 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:58.320 with the gang, And there's a weird consensus going around, 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.200 like a weird energy where people feel like they understand 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.599 gangbanging and it's just getting worse and worse and people 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:09.720 are getting crazier. Yeah, I mean for him, I mean, 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:15.400 unless he wants to just what stay with the ships 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:19.280 is like an independent actor who's just like impossibly tough 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.799 on his just just standing on his own two feet 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:26.240 and the funk about it anybody else around him. But 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.599 if he can hang and do that, then you know 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:30.760 he has by respect. But it sounds more like he 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:37.560 likes shooting and not getting shot at from the timeline, Yeah, yeah, 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:45.240 I don't quite get it. Um, how do you do 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:49.960 some mark ass ship and you're talking tough while you're 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.920 doing the mark as ship. It's like you're getting robbed 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:58.279 and you like, you know, anybody can get robbed, right, 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:03.479 but you're getting robbed and you're talking tough while getting robbed. 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.120 I don't even think that's the Let me take that back, 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:11.560 that's not true. It's like you get beat up and 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.320 then you get on the internet talking ship after you 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:21.200 got beat up. Yeah, what if the fund is going 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:26.640 on with the world, Like how could right now California 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:31.839 is under like a heat kind of like an extra 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.279 heat thing where it's too much. It's too much, sun 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.120 is too hot, Like how could you call the son 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.279 a bitch ass nigga and it's doing you bad, like 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.880 it's fucking you over and and you ain't realize who 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.120 the bitch as nigga? You complaining about the sun? The 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:50.360 sun ain't complaining about you. Yes, what the fun is 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:54.840 going on to where everybody now feels the need like, oh, 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:58.240 I gotta be tough even though I'm obviously going out 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:04.400 like a sun, Like I know what he's thinking in 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:08.400 his mind. He's like, I mean, look from the limited 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:13.320 information I have just based off of what he's the 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:18.920 picture that he's attempting to paint is I'm with this 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:23.400 group of guys. We're supposed to have a standard. I'm 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.040 the only one that adheres to it. None of you 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.200 were man enough to hold up to the your end 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.120 of the bargain that I hold up to, So fuck you, 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:36.320 I'm leaving. I'm sure there's probably nine other people in 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:41.920 the room who feel differently. If asked, say that one 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:46.720 more time. The picture it seems like he is trying 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.600 to paint is you know, we're supposed to do ABC 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.960 in DF We're gonna be crips from Savannah. We're supposed 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:58.000 to adhere to a certain standard, and I'm the only 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.840 person that adheres to it and the rest of you don't. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:07.400 So I'm leaving exact that. If you ask nine other people, 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:16.000 they'd say, no, that was weird. It's like that was weird, 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:20.360 Like I don't quite get it. What would there? Let 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.600 me ask you a question. Could there be a circumstance 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:30.080 in which, like, say, like on the law of majorities, right, 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.880 like if you like your generation your crew from sevens, 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.760 if if if a broad like if if basically just 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:45.160 about everybody either ran when you stayed or snitched when 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.800 they got arrested and you didn't where you would be like, 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:55.400 you know what fun the whole audience? Then no, no, 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.120 how do so you would kick everybody else out of 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.680 the gang and you'd stay in it. But but but 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:05.440 kick out the rest. Well that's not kind of what 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:10.960 gangs or the concept of that kind of community togetherness 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:17.839 is about. It's very personal and individual. What I'm saying, Um, 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.240 the thing is, it teaches you how to be you. 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.840 It you you you. You pretty much fight your way 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:30.040 through a group of people trying to suppress, you know, 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.640 trying to get you to conform. So when you come 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.840 up the way I came up, right, my mind you 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.000 know how crazy my mind is, or how people think 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:42.559 I am, how my mouth is. You had to fight, 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.920 You had to show every faster the game you mean 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:50.920 to demand respect. So it'll never be all the homies 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:55.520 that told, right, But there's times where significant homies won't 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.920 agree with your actions. And what I denounced being a 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:04.319 seven street nigga, oh, because there are first off is personal, right, 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.199 I'm a sergistrate me because I grew up on a 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.440 hundred and seventeen street. But you couldn't say, you know what, 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.280 that's the end of it, I'm the only seven Street 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.120 crypt the rest of you guys are out. Well, I 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.320 would say I'm the really sever If that was the 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.199 appen to me, I would feel like I'm the most 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:24.079 authentic person. I wouldn't be I wouldn't be out for sure. Yeah, 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.440 you know what I mean. Now, whatever happened to other 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:32.079 people is different. For sure, I am individually who I am. Yeah? 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.040 Is that you know? It's like as an American if 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.280 you're in this country and you're ashamed of things that 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:43.559 America does, and you'd be like, well, I'm a real American. Yeah, 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.760 I mean you you can't just be a Southern because 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:50.120 sometimes America goes out like a sucker. Do you have 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:56.760 without naming names? Obviously you know a record of people 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.719 getting or anybody that has been it's like, yeah, I 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.840 mean you're from a hundred and seventeenth Street physically, but 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:07.679 we no longer recognize you. You are dismissed. Is there 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:11.880 a situation like that that could happen, that has happened. Yeah, 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.760 they put people off. Yeah, they're booted people. You are 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:22.080 every gang boot people. I think the the standards, the 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.959 whole gang. Yeah, some people need to be booted for sure, 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.960 you feel me. Where again, it's one of those things 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.640 where the gang of the community is very accepting, you know, 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.800 they're not super judgmental, Like you don't have to have 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:35.400 the greatest i Q. You don't have to have the 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:40.600 greatest test scores. It's it's not college, it's super invited. 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.680 It's a poor man sport in general, it's a poor 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:46.160 man thing. So no, you're gonna get society's brightest, but 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:49.080 you can also get some crazy ship that can happen 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.840 with different people. And what I'm saying, so no sailings 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:57.000 gl p B in the spot on what you do 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:01.840 use wow about that time. But what I wanted to 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:06.480 talk to you about was and the reason I think 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:10.360 like Kondo could do that ship is because there's no 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:14.600 shame in today's time, Like we're trying to rid the 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:19.880 world of shame, right, And shame was an important part 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:25.200 of my development as a man because shame is it 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:29.640 made me strengthen up things that I was shamed for 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:34.880 being weak, or it made me double down on who 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.839 I was. So either I made adjustments based off shame, 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.480 or I doubled down on who I was based on shame. 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:46.680 Either way, it gave me power a thousand percent. I 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:50.360 mean you're you're from an antiquated time and history. I 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.599 mean you have to look at it from today's perspective. 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:56.199 Can and consider this if there was no if there 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.960 was shame in today's society, there could be no emotional 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.120 support dogs on the airplanes, and then where would we be? 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:12.960 But no, I was thinking about that, right, like you 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:17.199 have like a whole slept march right with Amber ro 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:21.480 Shout out to Amber. She's crazy, Shout out to Amber. 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:29.960 But she was actually saying, Um, she has a walk 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:36.480 where the idea of it is to promote being a slupt, 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:42.640 Like they want people to accept and don't have a 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.480 judgment of people being a slept, So they have this 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:49.079 thing called a slept walk. And it's like, don't you 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.640 know I've heard people say that on the internet. I've 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:53.640 never heard nobody in real life say this because I 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.240 probably would just reach across the table and slap the 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.199 ship out of them. But it's like, don't slust shave me. 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:04.319 And it's like, if you're ashamed of being a slut 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:11.240 y b one, that's true. And we're just in a 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:15.000 weird space where everybody's trying to change what I see. 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:20.120 Like even like what the what the the tea part 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.320 of the l g B t Q plus movement, right 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:26.440 the tea part, right transplant, it's not really focused on 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:30.960 trans people. It's focused on everyone else. It's like they're 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.920 not just fighting for their rights to be who they 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.760 want to be, you know, Like it doesn't stop this, 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:41.280 Like no, we want you as another human being to 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:46.120 see this person as something that you don't see. It's 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:50.080 not like saying, hey, you know what, uh, don't kill 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.960 trans It's not at that minimal right, like, which is 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:58.680 a very civic h Yeah, like like that makes sense. 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.680 Like when that was an argument, I actually totally agree. 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.640 You should not you know, be wanting to kill somebody 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.120 based off of their whoever nothing really, you know, I 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.520 get why it works the way it works. But if 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.200 you're saying you want to change what I see out 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.360 of my eyes, or you want me to lie to 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.480 somebody else to make them feel better, So you want 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.960 to change either my eyesight or my mind or make 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.640 me lie, I think that's a weird place to where 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:34.240 where shame is kind of like a necessary thing. Yeah, 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:39.240 I think that that. I think that's a yeah, I 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.200 don't know if my thoughts came out fully, but I 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.520 know what you mean. I think that's a little bit 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.760 of a different take. That's that's why I've always felt 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:55.479 like the trans political movement itself is basically opportunistic outside 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:59.280 actors that are taking advantage of those people, because if 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:01.400 it was just about old people, I think it'd be 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:06.000 much more likely to date's be saying, look, because we're trans, 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.600 or just because just because we're trans, don't not treat 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:13.360 us like human beings. Like because we're trans, just afford 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.280 us the same humanity that you would afford anybody else, 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.240 and then you get it seems reasonable to me. Um. 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.920 That's why I think it's outside influence that you're trying 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.920 to leverage that to push it too far, because you're 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:27.400 pushing it to the point where you have to have 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.560 a conflict that you can advocate for and supposed to 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.160 just the quality of life of the people for whom 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:39.040 you're advocating. M m. But like in like the slut 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.480 walk thing, or even like a lot of the body 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:46.840 image stuff, like I I don't know if I'm like, yeah, 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:48.880 so it's like, on the one hand, you have body 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:55.240 image shaming, public service announcement commercial and then seven seconds 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.920 later you have a public service announcement commercial talking about 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.800 exercising and being right in blood pressure and all the rest. 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.280 So it's like, well, which one is it? And like 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.440 how how you know? How are you saying the two? 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:09.440 How are you hearing one and out the other? That 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.639 that whole thing? And it's and You're right, there's no 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.639 nothing is wrong. It's just I feel like this is 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:18.960 probably the best way I can say it. In modern America. 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.199 Nothing you do is wrong. It's just the way you 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:27.560 choose to do it. And depending on what outcome you're 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:39.040 looking for, that might be very wrong. Um, people have 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.200 tried to crip shame me before. I think I've told 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.000 you this. Yeah, how did that play? As you fourty 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:45.679 years old? How can you be a crip? I'm like, 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.560 what does my age have to do with being a crip? 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.640 Is there a graduation period? Like they feel like you've 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.120 you're taking too long to graduate. What's funny is I'm 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.560 a low Right, that's the final tier of crip. Being 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.800 a low you You you have reached a pinnacle of cripping. 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.919 To you where you embody it and everything you do, 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.320 so you at low status. That's in my mind how 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.199 I see it going. But it's low short for something 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.919 like what's the origin, like the total genesis of the 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.760 term local. Oh look, okay, I got you, crazy got you? 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:23.639 So it's um. The reason no one could shame me 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.040 out of it is because I am proud to be it. 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:30.199 Like when somebody tries to shame me out of it, 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.359 right there be like, oh, your crip, and it's like, well, 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:35.680 what's wrong with being a crip? And then you start 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:39.440 listening to their ideas, they'll be like, oh, well you 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.080 you know, they have no idea what it is. And 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:45.480 I'm like, a person who's a general in a military 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:48.000 or a person who's a part of any organization, why 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:51.600 would they not be it? But again, I think because 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:56.080 they have this ignorant perspective of it. I think in 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.600 their mind they like, well, you know, like you can't 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.360 have I think they think crip don't raise their children, 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:05.120 or crips don't have careers or jobs, or crips don't 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:10.200 live productive lives. It's just this confusing thing to where 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.240 so I don't succumb to their thoughts of what being 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.480 a crip is. So that's why I would never put 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:19.560 up a protest like, oh, you guys are cript shaming 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:22.879 me because I am proud to be a crypt. So 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.560 if somebody can slutt shame you, you have to have shame. 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:29.280 If it doesn't bother you, why doesn't matter. People could 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.280 say a thousand things on the Internet to me about 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:33.040 being a cript and I just don't care because I 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:35.600 know of being a crip is. But if you being 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.119 a slut and you need to have walks, imagine I 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:39.800 had the crip walk and it was like, Oh, I'm 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:43.920 tired of society judging cripts. All cripts don't kill people. 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:50.359 Matter of fact, of crips don't kill people. You know, 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:55.919 that's myent of crips don't kill people. The problem is, 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.480 I feel like you'd be saying that wearing a one 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:02.600 percent or T shirt because I'm one. But I'm saying 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:09.200 that everybody off of some people's cripping, Like I think 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:15.240 a lot of that. I think a lot of people 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:19.959 in the like the distant onlook lookers, so to speak. 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:27.080 There's a a blurry line between and and it kind 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:31.639 of it makes sense in the conventional world, most stuff 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:35.080 has a more rigid, titler definition, and I think that 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:38.000 there's maybe some convoluting as to whether or not cripping 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:42.720 is a profession or a hobby. Maybe more than a hobby, 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.560 less than a less than a profession, And it probably 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:47.760 depends on when in life you're talking about, in the 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.640 arc of an individual's life. So like, I think people 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.720 from far away are like, well, how are you still 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:58.320 a crypt Like, like, you're cripping all day long and 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:00.640 it's only the conflicts and you do us out there 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:05.800 just just patrolling all damn day, every damn day. But 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.800 I mean, do you think a five star general in 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:12.440 a service is doing that or a lieutenant in the 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:15.200 service is always like, you know what, all twenty four 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.600 hours a day, I'm looking to knock off a tally man. Remember, 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.960 that's just not how it works. But but the point 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:25.960 I'm saying is that's you could never shame me because 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:29.480 you're ignorant. If if I would never tell somebody don't 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.000 crip shame me unless I'm being funny or stupid, Like 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:36.080 you couldn't shame me because I'm not ashamed of being 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:41.000 uh seven street cript. Yeah, it's different. So if somebody 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:43.359 could shame you for being a slut and you're a 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:46.159 shamedful They can only shame you if you're ashamed of it. 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:50.600 If you need to have walks to promote the sluttiness 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.560 of people that it should be accepted, then you know 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:58.560 you're wasting your time. I never liked the idea of 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:03.040 black parades, like, I don't need to promote people to 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:06.880 accept me being black. I'm I'm more Black Power than 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.520 Black Lives Matter. I'm not. Oh, you know what, you 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:13.040 guys should accept it. And no, I'm driving a fist 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:17.720 through your ship. I mean, if you don't funk with it. Um, 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:20.200 But we're just in this weird time and I wanted 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:25.439 to ask you about it, like, do you think okay? 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:27.760 So I noticed people that come through hip hop, hip 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:30.840 hop artists, right, guys that come from the streets, you know, 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:36.119 telling their stories about existing and surviving these conditions, whether 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:42.320 they're participant or observer in such crimes where I think 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:47.320 they generally think the public is stupid. And Head told 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:49.960 me that, he said, man, glasses, the public is stupid. 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:52.840 I'm like, now, the public is intellectually lazy. They don't 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:55.760 have enough time to think, I said, but they're not stupid. 0:22:56.080 --> 0:23:00.720 But sometimes what should be happening and they let an 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.679 artists talk their way out of it. I'll be like, 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:10.280 maybe people ain't that bright. Well, yeah, I think that's 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:15.160 part of it. I think a lot of the time people, yeah, 0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:19.760 people don't critically think, well, that's a dying that, along 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:25.240 with shame, is a dying art. So like, usually people 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:29.040 believe the take on a story. That's the first thing 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:32.280 that they hear, you know, so it's difficult to pry 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:35.439 their brain off the first spin of the news that 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:38.240 they hear. And then when they hear something different than 0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:40.800 it's coming directly from that person, they go, oh, well, 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:44.600 I mean I watched Joe Blow say a B C D, 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:48.840 so it must be a B C D. Like Joe 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:51.040 Blow is compelled to tell the truth to you for 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:53.600 some whatever reason. So I think people just take what 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.080 they hear or what they see with it, not with 0:23:56.119 --> 0:24:00.919 a grain of salt, but without any active consideration. So 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:07.840 you get, you know, some sort of whatever blogger or 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:11.480 whatever the fuck, Well, something happens and then they write 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:15.280 what what they think or what they think as most 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:18.680 interesting as as their take on what happened, explaining why, 0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:23.399 and a reader goes, okay, do you think shame is 0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:26.840 a healthy thing in human development thousand percent. I was 0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:30.520 actually just listening to a guy talk about that. He's, 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:38.360 um uh, there's a there's an outfit at Stanford called 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:40.639 the Hoover Institute is a think tank, and one of 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:42.719 the guys the think tank was talking about the cave 0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:45.120 of society and how there's no shame anymore and how 0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:50.080 back in previous generations shame kept people in line because 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:52.120 you know, you didn't want to embarrass yourself, you didn't 0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:55.280 want to embarrass your family, your family name, your community, whatever, 0:24:56.119 --> 0:25:01.760 because the shame attached to that was to a large 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:06.760 degree a deciding factor, you know, for for you making 0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:08.800 possibly a good or a bad choice. And you take 0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:11.639 shame off the table, there's less disincentive for people to 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:15.000 make better choices. Or if you say, well, there's no 0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:19.080 good choices or bad choices, there's just there's just my choices. 0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:25.960 Well okay, and in that case, you know, all all 0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:28.600 thought be damned then. But I think that I think 0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:31.359 shame absolutely is necessary. I mean, no matter what you 0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:33.200 want to pursue and how you want to be perceived, 0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:40.000 whether it's you want to be an intellectual, a professional gangster, 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:44.359 a slut, whatever, it is I don't understand why, Like, 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:47.000 if me and some slut are going to fucking in 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:49.480 the back room, why the hell does that lady care 0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:55.960 what the guy downstairs thinks to her? You know, but 0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:58.760 people want to do what they want to do. It is, 0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:00.440 we know what this comes down to. You know what 0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:05.840 shame is. Shame is a form of accountability. And we 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:09.960 know that accountability is a dying asset in this country. 0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:14.720 And we know to a large degree why it's a 0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:21.480 dying asset in this country. Why is that, Well, because 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:25.080 there's a certain group of people that reject accountability, and 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:27.720 we know who they are, and we also know that 0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:31.920 those people are having a greater monopoly in the role 0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:36.680