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Speaker 1: And we welcome you into Brea on a Tuesday. Andrew Dribble,

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Speaker 1: Jason Gibbs, John Greco joining us here in the Dog

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Speaker 1: Bowl Brown's big winners over the Pittsburgh Steelers. The winning

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Speaker 1: streak is at two. Don't look now, but here come

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Speaker 1: the Brown and Orange at four and six on the

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Speaker 1: season at a date with the Miami Dolphins Sunday at

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Speaker 1: First Energy Stadium. Uh. John, I'll start with you. You Uh,

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Speaker 1: in the press box. Uh. Your takeaways from a wild,

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Speaker 1: wild Thursday night win over the Steelers. You know, this

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Speaker 1: is the second and third game in a row where

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Speaker 1: the opening script I was so impressed with because that's

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Speaker 1: when you know, you practice those plays all week, you

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Speaker 1: know it. You're well well in tune to how you

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Speaker 1: know the looks that you're gonna get on defense during

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Speaker 1: the dress rehearsal, and then you come out and you

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Speaker 1: stay on that script. And they've spread the ball out,

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Speaker 1: run pass play action, hit a deep play, and they

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Speaker 1: start out of the gates just firing. And I love

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Speaker 1: to see that, and I think that's kind of the

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Speaker 1: with you know, wanting to receive after the coin toss

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Speaker 1: coach wants to do, and seeing them do that two

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Speaker 1: weeks in a row has been impressive and and just

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Speaker 1: just continue with that formula. That's what they've had success with,

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Speaker 1: um throughout the game, and and weather the storm and

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Speaker 1: stick to your plan and and move forward. Gribble. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you had a different vantage point right down the hallway

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Speaker 1: from me. Uh A wild night, a night though that

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Speaker 1: that saw this team make some plays and play a

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Speaker 1: little smash mouth football. And we're not talking about the

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Speaker 1: last eight seconds. We'll get to that, but Uh, really

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Speaker 1: a hard fought and hard earned win for this Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I'll focus on the defense. It was really one

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Speaker 1: by the first quarter that if you've got a couple

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Speaker 1: for Pittsburgh to get two touchdowns, and basically that's why

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Speaker 1: why the fear came in in the third quarter when

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Speaker 1: you basically just gifted them a touchdown with all the penalties,

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Speaker 1: like you can't blow this game, Like you just cannot

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Speaker 1: let this team hang around like this. But then eventually,

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Speaker 1: when you play at the level that Cleveland's defense was

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Speaker 1: then the turnovers start to come. I mean, it was

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Speaker 1: it was a long time coming for this group. They

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Speaker 1: hadn't forced it, they hadn't got an interception since Week four,

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Speaker 1: start bringing relentless pressure on him that it seemed like

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Speaker 1: that they had blitzed more in this game than they

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Speaker 1: to Rutolph that might have been a byproduct of trusting

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Speaker 1: your secondary to guard these receivers. Weren't very good it

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Speaker 1: And then for what happened at the end there to

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Speaker 1: John Uh as a former player, how do you how

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Speaker 1: do you process what what happened on Thursday night? And

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Speaker 1: and you've played yourself back into the playoff talk. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well you have to process lead fast. Um. You know

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Speaker 1: it's it's you have that next man up mentality and

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Speaker 1: done is done. We still have a job to do.

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Speaker 1: There's still a lot in front of us. Let's not

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Speaker 1: that's that's why this happened, this is why we weren't

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Speaker 1: to like why a lot of players after the game

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Speaker 1: That they'll never say this, but it's a favorable schedule

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Speaker 1: So I think there's gonna be more pressure on greeting

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Speaker 1: on the hot seat in Detroit because they expect to

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Speaker 1: be a playoff team and he's win in some games,

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Speaker 1: but he's not winning enough games. And I think that

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Speaker 1: McDaniels in Denver, he had expectations to go there and

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Speaker 1: win and it just didn't work out. So I think

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Speaker 1: what he's doing now is good. Let me just see

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Speaker 1: what happens when they start getting the pieces in from

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Speaker 1: all these these players they've given up. I agree. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, all these teams that start this rebuild and

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Speaker 1: fire coaches and hire new ones. You know, the common

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Speaker 1: theme is we want a culture change, and we just

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Speaker 1: talked about it. Let's see what happens. I think I

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Speaker 1: agree with you and and that the body of work

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Speaker 1: isn't there the total body of work that you need

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Speaker 1: to see to to kind of give him an accurate

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Speaker 1: and fair assessment. You know, yeah, I think uh like

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Speaker 1: I said, I think it's I'm impressed with how they've

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Speaker 1: handled some of their adversity and in a locker room

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Speaker 1: that could have been, you know, completely toxic, and just said, hey,

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Speaker 1: if he this guy once out, I want out and

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Speaker 1: just you should just you could have seen all these

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Speaker 1: guys jumping ship. But you know, credit them, and you

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Speaker 1: know they weather the storm. They stuck it out, and

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Speaker 1: they're you know, they're managing to be in most of

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Speaker 1: these games, some of these games. And uh, like I said,

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Speaker 1: those guys haven't quit. Fitzpatrick, what what does he bring

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Speaker 1: to the table. It's a guy that I know you've

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Speaker 1: gone up against a few times here in your career. Um,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily offense, defense, but you've watched him play. Uh,

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Speaker 1: here's a guy. He's a journeyman but found a second

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Speaker 1: second life essentially in the National Football League and has

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Speaker 1: made the most of it. Yeah, you know, you see

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Speaker 1: a guy that that obviously has a ton of experience.

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Speaker 1: So right off the bat, I think experienced. Sometimes you know,

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Speaker 1: guys in the locker room will look at him and

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Speaker 1: just he's automatically a leader, somebody that guys look up to,

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Speaker 1: just because he's been around for so long. He's he's

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Speaker 1: got the plays, he's got the wins um. But you know,

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Speaker 1: as as far as a player, you know, a lot

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Speaker 1: of people talk about some of the fits, magic, some

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Speaker 1: of the things he's he's able to do out there,

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Speaker 1: and I think he goes back to you know, we

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Speaker 1: talked about Baker taking risks. I think he does the same.

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Speaker 1: You know, he he wants to throw in those tight windows.

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Speaker 1: He wants to make the big play, and with that,

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Speaker 1: you know, comes some interceptions and something complete eats. But

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Speaker 1: you know, he has the ability to sling it and

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Speaker 1: if guys are open, he has the ability to put

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Speaker 1: it on him. So he's a very dangerous guy when

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Speaker 1: he's when he's out there and he can win you games,

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Speaker 1: but at the same time, with that aggressiveness, with with

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Speaker 1: the with the risk taking, he can lose them too.

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Speaker 1: So you just hope to see him go out and

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Speaker 1: try to force him into making a bad decision and

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Speaker 1: throwing a couple to UH to the Browns. He's won

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Speaker 1: games in the stadium, some different charitys on and I

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Speaker 1: think he's won games even I think those couple with

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Speaker 1: the Jets, those were games that the Browns thought they

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Speaker 1: might be able to win going into those. I mean

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Speaker 1: that that was during the dark times, but it was

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Speaker 1: those were those were looked as as games that these

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Speaker 1: were ones that you could potentially sneak away with. And

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Speaker 1: he's never really been that flashy, but he always makes

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Speaker 1: a big player or two when he's needed to against

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Speaker 1: the Browns. I remember was a couple of years ago

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Speaker 1: and he threw it to that like a forty yard

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Speaker 1: pass to that no name tight end. I forget what

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Speaker 1: I came out remember what that game was. I think

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Speaker 1: it was during the sixteen UH season or maybe even

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Speaker 1: the seventeen season. It's just he's just been enough of

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Speaker 1: a thorn in the side for teams here where you

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Speaker 1: just have to be disciplined, and you can't. You can't

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Speaker 1: have that series like you did against Pittsburgh where you're

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Speaker 1: just giving up chunks of yards on penalties and where

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Speaker 1: the Steelers were basically resorting just throwing it deep and

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Speaker 1: hoping to draw past interference. Just don't fall into the

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Speaker 1: trap and just play sound football and you'll be fine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't give them anything. And you know, I think a

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Speaker 1: big thing too, is get on him early, getting his

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Speaker 1: head early. Don't let him get his confidence rolling, because

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Speaker 1: if he makes a big connection early, throws like a

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Speaker 1: forty or fifty yard pass and and they have a

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Speaker 1: lot of action earlier, he's gonna start, you know, really

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Speaker 1: having that confidence then and then I think that's when

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Speaker 1: you see his game go to the next level. But

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Speaker 1: if they can get in his head early, hit him

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Speaker 1: a few times, maybe throwing, get an early interception, or

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Speaker 1: you know, just just cause him to give him some fits,

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Speaker 1: you know, be around him, be all over him, be

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Speaker 1: in the passing lanes, tips some passes, you know, anything

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Speaker 1: to get him off his rhythm and game. I think

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Speaker 1: he'll be uh shaking up a little bit. Gribble mentioned

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Speaker 1: it earlier, John, and just it's week. It's week eleven

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Speaker 1: in the football season, and it's one of those where, guys,

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Speaker 1: you know it's November, you're starting to get later in

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Speaker 1: the football season. You'd like to say, you're still as

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Speaker 1: dialed up as you were back in August in training

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Speaker 1: camp and getting ready. You got a team like Miami

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Speaker 1: coming in. Um, you know you're gonna play a Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: You know you have another date with Pittsburgh, who you've

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Speaker 1: already beaten. You have a lot of winnable games. Is

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Speaker 1: it easy to wander mentally at this time of year?

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Speaker 1: Or is the fact that there four and six right

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Speaker 1: now still you know they're able to stay dialed in.

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Speaker 1: What's the difficult challenge there? Well, I think I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little bit easier for them to

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Speaker 1: stay down and given all of the things that are

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Speaker 1: going on around them currently, I think that they're just

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Speaker 1: kind of hitting the reset button and say, hey, let's

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Speaker 1: just go ahead and get a win this Sunday and

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Speaker 1: worry about the next week's as they come. And that's

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Speaker 1: kind of what you do this part of the year.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot more mental, it's a little bit less physical.

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Speaker 1: You know, it gets darker earlier outside you're just body

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Speaker 1: just feels beat up, tired. So those guys are doing

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Speaker 1: more mentally at home watching tape on their own, because

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Speaker 1: you know, coaches start let them go a little bit

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Speaker 1: earlier so they can get off their feet, get getting

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Speaker 1: the hot in the cold tubs, and kind of get

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Speaker 1: their legs back, because that's what's most important. Who really

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Speaker 1: this time of year, whoever is the most healthy team

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Speaker 1: and mentally sharp usually wins the game. So that's kind

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Speaker 1: of a thing. But you know, moving forward, if if

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Speaker 1: I'm in the locker room, I'm looking one game at

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Speaker 1: a time, I'm looking at If I'm an offensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at what defensive tackle I'm facing, What are

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Speaker 1: his tendencies? Does this team blitz, does this team pressure?

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Speaker 1: What do they do on third down? It's this finer

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Speaker 1: kind of details in the game that you need to

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Speaker 1: be that much sharper on as the season goes on.

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Speaker 1: I like that it's a Jarvis Landry Avenge game that

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Speaker 1: helps me with the offense because I think the defense

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Speaker 1: has no choice. Defense has no choice but to be

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Speaker 1: locked in. It would be the offense that I'd be

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Speaker 1: uh worried maybe about that They finally, after this gauntlet

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Speaker 1: of defenses they're facing. They look at the Dolphins are like,

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Speaker 1: all right, we're finally facing one of the worst defenses

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Speaker 1: in the league. Let's go out and just waltz our

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Speaker 1: way to thirty eight points. That's the That would be

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Speaker 1: my concern from the mental aspect. But that's why I

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Speaker 1: hope that that Jarvis has those guys extra locked in

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Speaker 1: this week for this one final thoughts before I let

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Speaker 1: you all go on a Tuesday. We're back with you

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Speaker 1: on Thursday, getting you ready for Brown's Dolphins one o'clock

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Speaker 1: at First Energy Stadium on Sunday. Make sure you log

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