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Speaker 1: late latest episode, Tolerance is Extinction. We are recording this

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Speaker 1: on Thursday morning, May the second, the day after that

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Speaker 1: episode came out. And this is the most Magneto was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, coming from the most unlikely source as well.

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Speaker 1: You know what is my I'm just blown away at

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Speaker 1: me that the most unlikely source just goes to show you,

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Speaker 1: like human allies are still human and it's mutants are

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Speaker 1: left to fend for themselves in an increasingly dangerous world.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, Magneto was right.

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Speaker 2: Magnea was right, baby. I mean, what an episode to

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Speaker 2: introduce a completely new origin to Bastion that kind of

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Speaker 2: we're obviously not going to get, and to just have

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Speaker 2: this great, you know, resolution of Magneto being right and

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Speaker 2: then having the reappearance of a certain professor. And I

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Speaker 3: I thought, how dare you? Just how dare you?

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, what an episode and to get

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Speaker 2: those super cool cameos. It was very much in the

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Speaker 3: So I think that was really exciting. I just I

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Speaker 1: They got it right.

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Speaker 3: Every point with this show. It's it's just such a delight.

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Speaker 1: One more thing, I am convinced that Bastian XPAN ninety

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Speaker 2: Oh and he's exceptionally campy. Yes, very very he's very campy.

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Speaker 2: He's just aware of what he has to do and

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Speaker 1: Shall we start the show.

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Speaker 1: Oh my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosday Night,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to X Revision, the podcast where we

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Speaker 1: dive deep but dear favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture,

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Speaker 1: coming to you from my Heart Radio, where we'll be

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Speaker 1: bringing you two episodes a week every Tuesday and Thursday.

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Speaker 1: And today we're hopping into our matching X Wings. I

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Speaker 1: always like the Y Wing, but you know, X Wings

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Speaker 1: are fine, and we are heading out into a galaxy far,

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Speaker 2: So that means in today's episode, previously on, it's all

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Speaker 2: your Star Wars news, baby, your May fourth news, your

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Speaker 2: going to talk about Star Wars Hunters, racepin off movie.

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Speaker 2: And in the airlock we're gonna break down that epping

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Speaker 3: Favorite clones have been up to.

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Speaker 2: And in the back matter, we're gonna explain what is

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Speaker 3: Well, now you're gonna know. But first, previously on.

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Speaker 2: Guess what it's May fourth, May the fourth be with You,

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Speaker 2: He's in charge of the Skeleton Crew room now and

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean he worked on Episode four or New Hope,

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Armor Best and Jar Jar Binks, Armor Best

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Speaker 1: Next up the Ray spinoff movie New Jedi Order. According

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Speaker 2: Look, I when I was a kid and I was

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Speaker 1: And this being Star Wars. There is of course Italian

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Speaker 1: book Star Wars Hunters Battle for the Arena by Marc O'shiro.

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Speaker 1: The blurb is on the planet Vespara lies in the Arena,

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Speaker 1: a series of battlefields where fighter is known as Hunters,

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Speaker 1: Omega finds herself a prisoner of the Imperial cloning program

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Speaker 2: means someone's force powers are immense. Yeah, and there's something

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00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,239
Speaker 2: there that is special about them.

435
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 3: Obviously, for Jason went terribly wrong. If you've seen the

436
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 3: sequel movies.

437
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: Kylo Ren is very heavily influenced by Jason. But I'm

438
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 2: I'm very interested in what this means for Omega. I

439
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 2: want to see Omega become, you know, a main core

440
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 2: Star Wars character, because she's so interesting and clearly they

441
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 2: they're planning more for her beyond the finale.

442
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: What's also fascinating with this scene is Venturos then says, well,

443
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: you know, if she did have a connection to the Force,

444
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: because Hunter basically says, why are you lying? You know,

445
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: just straight out asks her, why are you lying about this?

446
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: She says, well, and you know, if she did have

447
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: a connection of the Force, she'd need to be trained.

448
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: The Empire's going to come after, she'd need to be trained.

449
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: That means she would have to leave you forever for

450
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: years to go undergo her training. Is that okay? And

451
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: the Hunters like that will never happen. And to your

452
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: point about protection and I'm going to come back to

453
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: this topic later after what we see, when we see

454
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: the truth about Project Necromancer, because to me, what I

455
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: think Venturess is protecting her from is the way that

456
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: Force users are exploited and treated. I think that I

457
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: think Venturess maybe has come to a place where she's like, Okay,

458
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: give this connection to the force. You didn't choose that,

459
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: But why can't you just have a connection to the force.

460
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: Why do you have to develop it? Why does it

461
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: have to be developed to Who does it benefit? What

462
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: does it benefit anyone that all these kids are trained

463
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: as Jedi or Sith or whatever it Actually, certainly they

464
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: don't get any benefit out of it because most of

465
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: them get killed.

466
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: Over time, exactly exactly, And that's like, I love that read.

467
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: So that's what I think ventures is saying, is like,

468
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: opt out of all of this. Don't even pursue it,

469
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: don't care about it.

470
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 3: Just don't care about it. Yeah, it's not important. You're

471
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: just a kid.

472
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: Back on Tantis, doctor Carr takes over for Nalisa after

473
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: Hemlock throws Nalis in the brig. Hemlock is under huge

474
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: pressure to take Project Necromancer out of Beta, move it

475
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: at least into Alpha, and of course he needs Omega's

476
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: blood to do that. Car However, as she's seeing the

477
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: true face of project Necromancer that it's it's all the

478
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: experimental subjects are kids, begins to become attached to these

479
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: children and is gradually growing disillusioned with the the you know.

480
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: Turns out the Empire's bad Doctor Carr Are you kidding me?

481
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: C x two manages to get to Pabu After torturing

482
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: Sid for information, he confirms that Omega is there. Imperial

483
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: forces shortly thereafter arrive on the planet and just start

484
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: blowing everything up indiscriminately, firing like at anything that moves.

485
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: The Bad Batch tries to escape, but in the running

486
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: fight that ensues, Record is pretty seriously wounded. A hunter

487
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: is shot out of the sky. Omega is distraught. She's

488
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: seeing her friends and the regular citizens of Paboo getting

489
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: getting visited by terrible destruction, so she surrenders. She's like,

490
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: just stop all this and take me, take me to Tantas.

491
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: C x two takes her away. Hemlock welcomes Omega back,

492
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: puts her under the care of doctor Carr, who begins

493
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: immediately running tests. Meanwhile, the Bad Batch is like, we

494
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: gotta find her. They're reading they this is a crazy

495
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: twist that I did not say see coming. They raid

496
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: an Imperial concentration camp to free none other than our

497
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: good friend, former Imperial Admiral Rampart, who they think, well,

498
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: I was like, what very rogue one of he doesn't

499
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: know where Yeah, super rogue one, he doesn't know where

500
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: it is, but he's like, you know what, I'll help you.

501
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: And of course, you know the whole time that Rampart

502
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: just wants to get back in the Empire. Anyway, back

503
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: on Tantas, Omega's tests come back and they're just what

504
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: Hemlock was hoping for. He takes her down to the vault.

505
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: The horror now of Project Necromancer becomes clear as Omega

506
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: meets her fellow prisoners and all of them are children

507
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: like herself, and she vows, I've escaped ones I'm gonna

508
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: fucking do it again. Meanwhile, of course, the Batch and

509
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: Rampart meet up with Echo. They hijack an Imperial shuttle

510
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: and their whole thing is like, we got to get

511
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, how do we sneak on this shuttle? And

512
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: they have this whole plan that falls apart. But long

513
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: story short, they managed to like attach their shuttle to

514
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: a ship that's jumping to light speed that's going to tantus.

515
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: Hemlock gets worried that the bad batcher coming. He starts

516
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: shooting at them immediately as they enter like orbit and

517
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: now the big shit is the big climaxes happening at once.

518
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: Omega hears the cannon. She knows her friends are here.

519
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: She starts putting her plans into motion. The batch crash.

520
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: They're in the jungle, They're getting chased by beasts, They're

521
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: getting fired at by stormtroopers. C X two is trying

522
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: to kill them. Meanwhile, Echo has managed to sneak into

523
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: the base, where he gets a shocking assist from a

524
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: conscious stricken Doctor car. I want to say this, you know,

525
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: a plot story whatever. For me, it's like, how do

526
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: I feel when I watch something exactly doctor Carr's strike

527
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: of like her conscience starting to nag at her. I

528
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: think was one of the most emotional things I've seen

529
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: in a Star Wars story in a long time.

530
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to say, like, I think that one

531
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: of the things that Dave Filoni's always been fantastic about

532
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: in these spaces is adding the nuance that you don't

533
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: often get, you know, the kind of conversations we always

534
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: have of like you know, what.

535
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: About the people who worked on the Death Star, Like

536
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: what about that?

537
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: And here you actually get to see someone have an

538
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: emotion journey who otherwise would have just been like another

539
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: dead body that got shot when you're trying to escape.

540
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: And I think that that emotional nuance in space is

541
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: very interesting. And I also think something that and we'll

542
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: get to this, I'll kind of talk about it more,

543
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: but it's very interesting because I would say this is

544
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: like a heartbreaking emotional finale, but it's also not all

545
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: bad news. But they managed to be good news and

546
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: goodness with this kind of really heartbreaking, horrible story about

547
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: these children being you know, experimented on.

548
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: Well, and with what Venturis said to Hunter about the

549
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: way the Jedi is trained. To me, I couldn't stop

550
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: thinking about how this is also like an oblique criticism

551
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: of the Jedi, who do the exact same thing kidnap kids,

552
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: take them to Coruscant to train, and your parents never

553
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: seen them again, and they go through all these.

554
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 3: Religions your parents in slavery.

555
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And honestly, what's the difference. It's like you make it.

556
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: If we're right about Venturis, is, does she not have

557
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: a point like forget all of it, forget Jedi, forget

558
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: training to be a Sith, forget all of it, and

559
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: just go be anonymous in the galaxy.

560
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: It is extremely silly as well when you think about it,

561
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: because the truth is Jedis will just take you away

562
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: from your family, train you all your life. But then

563
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: fucking Luke Skywalker just got trained for like three days

564
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: in a fucking bog and he was an emergency. Yeah,

565
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, you can do a summer camp

566
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,239
Speaker 2: version when you take children away from their families, but

567
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: it is about essentially training child soldiers. And also, I

568
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 2: mean even just the rules of the Jedi. You know,

569
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: you can't love, you can't.

570
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: Feel anger, like all that stuff is very repressive.

571
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: Like we've talked about this over many years, and this

572
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: is what it is to be a fan is to

573
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: look at this stuff and go wait a minute, And

574
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: I love it.

575
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 3: It's more complex than it appears, and I love that they.

576
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: Chose to explore that in this series and kind of

577
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: once again, like the Last Jedi did, like ask a

578
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: question about what is the purpose of the Jedi and

579
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: and how does it feel to be in that situation

580
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: and would you be better off without it, and in

581
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: Omega's case, the answer is definitely yes, I would rather

582
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: she stayed with had like ten dads.

583
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: Omega launches her escape plan proper, their their Imperial Droid

584
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: ally drugs are guard, they escape, They free a zillobeast

585
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: again seeing Omega's easy bond with creatures and animals, the

586
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: Zillobees fucking goes Godzilla on base. Uh. Doctor Carr and

587
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: Echo learned that Omega and the kids have escaped, and

588
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: Hemlock is like, car, go find Omega or else. And meanwhile,

589
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: standing next to Doctor Carr is Echo in disguised storm troopers. Guys.

590
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: They're like, Bett, we were already planning to do that. Meanwhile,

591
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: in a juggle, Crosshair wants to sneak into the base

592
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: of Loone but like Wrecord is badly injured and uh,

593
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: and Hunter, who he's just begin to rebuild his relationship with,

594
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: is there and he's like, I want to go in

595
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: because if you guys die, then Omega is alone. This

596
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: was like a really for me, powerful full circle moment

597
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: for the Crosshair journey. Another really good dark like light

598
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: to dark back to light journey for a character that

599
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: I just and that's.

600
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: That's that complexity that we don't always get in the

601
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 2: movies when you've got like two hours, Like this has

602
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: been a journey throughout of becoming being rogue, then becoming

603
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: a villain, then coming back to the light. And I

604
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: think that that is like shows that same complexity of

605
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: thing about Luke Skywalker when he was training Kylo Wren

606
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: and he saw a moment of darkness and he was

607
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: gonna kill his nephew.

608
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: Yes, him, he was killing.

609
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: People's gonna be They can be tempted by the dark.

610
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 2: They can they can make mistakes, they can do villainous things,

611
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: but they can also come back to the light. And

612
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 2: I think that that's such a powerful story.

613
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: I agree.

614
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

615
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, when they're kind of arguing

616
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: about this, they watch an OWZ the Zillo Godzilla's out

617
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: of the outer wall of the base, so they're like, oh, perfect,

618
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: let's go in there. They go in there and they

619
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: meet immediate vicious resistance from the ex Clone commandos and

620
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: early versions of the Stormtroopers. They're taken prisoner. Echo and

621
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: doctor carfind Omega and the kids. Car loads the kids

622
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: onto a shuttle onto her shuttle to get them off

623
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: the planet. They leave, Echo and Omega go back to

624
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: rescue the Batch and the other and the other clones. Now,

625
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: I just want to say this. The base is like

626
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: under heavy attack. It's half wrecked. Their prime test subject, Omega,

627
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: she's in the wind. Nobody knows where the fuck she is.

628
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: A zill O beast just punched through the base. Nonetheless,

629
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: Hemlock can't resist taking the opportunity to be like, you

630
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 1: know what, hey, hold my calls, I'm going to take

631
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: a hunter wrecker and crosshair and I'm gonna wipe their minds,

632
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: however long taken. I'm just going to do a little

633
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: mind wiping. I understand this is an emergency. The base

634
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: is literally on fire, but hold all like a hole

635
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: in the wall.

636
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 3: But yeah, I gotta do some mind wiping, Like.

637
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: You just can't wait anyway, Echoing Omega free the other prisoners,

638
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: including Nala, say, Nala is determined to keep the science data,

639
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: which she considers Camino and IP from the Empire. But

640
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: now I am all for what Nala is trying to

641
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: destroy the data. But let's be clear, she wants to

642
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: destroy the data because she feels it's the property of Camino. Yeah,

643
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: any moral and anyway, she's shot by Rampart, who's thinking, oh,

644
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: if I get this info, like, I can use it

645
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: to leverage my way back into the Empire, which is crazy.

646
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: That's never gonna happen. Anyway, she shot by Rampart. As

647
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: she dies, she lets go of a grenade, kills them both,

648
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: kills all the data, wipes all the data. Wonderful. Hemlock

649
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: then squares off against Omega and the Batch. He gets killed,

650
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: Hunter and Wrecker, everybody are freed. They all make their

651
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: way to Pabo, along with doctor Carr and the kids.

652
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: We fast forward. Tarkan learns that okay, well, Project Necromancer

653
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: is a bust. All the fucking data every time with

654
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: these people.

655
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: How many how many Palpatine cloning exercises have we seen

656
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: go wrong since this company was cleaned?

657
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 3: Too many?

658
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: Like lists, You guys are flopping.

659
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: You had the gro you.

660
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: Had grogu to baby and then that was terrible. You

661
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: did this with the Mega terrible. You guys are so

662
00:37:59,400 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: bad at that.

663
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: Rome wasn't built in a day. It's gonna take a

664
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: few other tries. But right now, listen that the Empire

665
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: does not have infinite resources, so we need to take

666
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: this funding from Project Necromancer, and we need to divert it,

667
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: Moth Tarkin says to Project Stardust, which we all know

668
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: is the death Star Dunk Dunk Dunn. And then years

669
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: later we see an adult Omega join the Rebellion. I

670
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: have a million questions about that, Rosie. Your thoughts about

671
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: season three of The Bad Batch.

672
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: I love this engine yet, I love this show.

673
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: I love if it exists.

674
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 2: I am just incredibly incredible high note to end on. Yeah,

675
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: and I love it was surprisingly happy ending ish. Yes,

676
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: you know, more people, more of the Batch survived than

677
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: I expected.

678
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be a rogue one situation.

679
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 3: I thought everybody but Omega does the situation.

680
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: We also get crosshad losing his hand, which is like

681
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: a classic Star Wars situation. You know. Yeah, I just

682
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: I just thought it was delightful and I'm very I

683
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: want to know more about Omega because that is like

684
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 2: I love her. I also kind of love how when

685
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 2: Omega was introduced. When they bought The Bad Batch back,

686
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: it was like, oh my god, they've given them a

687
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: kid's sidekick, Like this is gonna suck, Like that was

688
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: the general response. But I love a kid sidekick historically,

689
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 2: and I feel like Omega has really become a fan

690
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 2: favorite character. And I feel like they did a great

691
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 2: job of making her a part of the batch rather

692
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: than making her a kind of like Dorfy, like now

693
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: kids can watch this when it was always a kids show,

694
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 2: and instead she became like the emotional heart of the group.

695
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: And I really want to see more stories with her.

696
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: So I'm excited about this time skip situation.

697
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 3: But what does it mean?

698
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: Like that is what I want?

699
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: And when are we gonna see? Are we going to

700
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: see her again? Because what does the timeline mean?

701
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: Like what do you think?

702
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: That's what I mean? I have no idea, but that's

703
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: what I want to know. What was her role in

704
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 1: the coming rebellion? If any how active was she? Did

705
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: her connection to the force develop at all? Do people

706
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: know that she's? Like how open is she about her

707
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: history as a clone? And then who's left at that stage? Clone?

708
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: Was like do we have does she have any of

709
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: that found family around her by the time she's an adult?

710
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: Still I have a ton of questions, And it's that

711
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: same question I have with any of this, with any

712
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: of the stuff that's happened on Disney plus or elsewhere

713
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: the animated shows that fill in the holes anything from

714
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 1: the Felony Ooves. How does this connect with the major

715
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: stories that we know. That's what I can't wait to

716
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: find out.

717
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: That is always the most interesting thing is you know,

718
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: where was this character during the rebellion or whatever? And

719
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: the answer is they didn't exist. Then that's why they're

720
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 2: not in the story. That's the narrative reason. But we

721
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 2: want to know the in world story reasons. We want

722
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 2: to find out where these characters were, how they played

723
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: into it. That's what I think Rogue One did so

724
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 2: fantastically is it added this context so that every single

725
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: time you watch a new Hope, you are thinking about

726
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: Rogue one and the sacrifices that were made. And I

727
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: feel like these animated series for people like us who

728
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 2: really love them, they have also added that. So I'm

729
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: interested to see where that goes and kind of what

730
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 2: we're going to see in Mandalorian and Grogu and how

731
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: Omega potentially plays into that. Okay, so we got a

732
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 2: new Star Wars animated series, Tales of the Empire, released

733
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 2: on May fourth, of course, and this is a different

734
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 2: kind of animated series than we've had before. The official

735
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: description is thus, journey into the fierce Galactic Empire through

736
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: the eyes of two warriors on divergent paths set during

737
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: different eras. After losing everything, young Morgan Elsbeth navigates the

738
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: expanding Imperial world towards a path of vengeance, while former

739
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: officer Jedi barriss Offi, whoa does what she must to

740
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: survive a rapidly changing galaxy. Their choices will define their destinies. Jason,

741
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: what did you think.

742
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: I thought it was good. I certainly enjoyed the barrass

743
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: Offee episodes, the back half of the six episodes a

744
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: lot more than the Morgan Elsbeth centric episodes, because it

745
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: was something that I think we've never really seen before,

746
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: which was a Jedi indoctrinated into the ranks of the Inquisitors,

747
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: and what that would be like for a Jedi who

748
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: trying to maintain a grasp on their morals and on

749
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: their feelings, you know. And it made me think of

750
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: a thing that we've talked about a lot, and which

751
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: I'm concerned about a lot when I watched Star Wars,

752
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: which is like this deteriorating delineation between light and dark,

753
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: Like here is a character that goes almost full dark,

754
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: like you know, stuff happens towards the end where all

755
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: of a sudden barrass is like, oh wait a second,

756
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: I guess the Inquisitors are bad and I shouldn't do

757
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: but like she's been going on missions with the Inquisitors

758
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 1: for x amount of time before she realizes fully that

759
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: they're bad, Like this can't be the first time she's like,

760
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: oh wait, I guess the Inquisitors are bad.

761
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 2: And she.

762
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: Is able to like pull back from even you can't

763
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: even say the brink. She went beyond the brink. So

764
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: what we're seeing again is this ability to navigate between

765
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: light and dark, where you can cross over into the

766
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: dark and maybe pull back to a I thought that

767
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 1: was really interesting. What did you think?

768
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I I agree with you completely. I felt

769
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: like this was very expanded universe. Like there's actually an

770
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: old EU book called Tales from the Empire that was

771
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: like a short story thing. I definitely feel like this

772
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: is in that space, that same space of just adding

773
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 2: in some important historical context.

774
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting to see the fall of

775
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 3: the Night Sisters.

776
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting and get to kind of

777
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: see how unprepared. They were for old Grievy, General Grievous

778
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 2: to like, come, I just love him.

779
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: I can't help it.

780
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 3: He's he's a bad guy, but I just he's so cool.

781
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: But getting to see that kind of play out, see

782
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: the Separatist Army with battling the Night Sisters, and also

783
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 2: getting to see where the connection between Morgan and Thron

784
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: came from. Also, I think something that's very interesting about

785
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: this and I think we can which is good for

786
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: me because I the Datha Marian Knight Sister stuff. I

787
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: think they're starting to do with the Night Sisters what

788
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: they did with the Jedis, which we always joke about,

789
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 2: which is like Order sixty six who survived, Oh nobody survived.

790
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 3: They wiped out all the Jedi. No, they didn't, And

791
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: in the canon.

792
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 2: We only thought that it was Darth Moore and a

793
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: Sarge Ventress who really survived the Master of the Night Sisters.

794
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: Now we know Morgan Elsbeth did. And I think they're

795
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 2: gonna start building out these cosmic magic characters and showcasing

796
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: their impact on the galaxy in a way that we

797
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: haven't really seen before.

798
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 3: Morgan's kind of her rise.

799
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: I'm like that's cool, but I was most interested in

800
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 2: sort of seeing the ways that she navigated the galaxy too,

801
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 2: and kind of how she came into contact with Drawn

802
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: and that space. I liked the concept of doing these short,

803
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: spunky Star Wars stories, but I will say I think

804
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: both of these characters could have been better served by

805
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: like an animated movie or something.

806
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: You know.

807
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a way where I would have

808
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: liked to see them more cohesive. I love these kind

809
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: of short stories for more wacky, like when we got

810
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 2: to see Yaddle yeah and kind of see how brave

811
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 2: Yaddle was and that interesting fight between her and what

812
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: her fate was and her disagreements.

813
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 3: With the Jedi.

814
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 2: I kind of like the wacky secondary characters where I

815
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 2: feel like both of these are quite like key villains.

816
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: I agree.

817
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: You know.

818
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: The thing that the one thing they've kind of made

819
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: me sit forward during Elsbeth's episodes is kind of getting

820
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: a taste of how incompetent the New Republic is. I think, oh,

821
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, like, listen, let's give them some credit in

822
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: that it's a really hard job, and democracy in general

823
00:46:55,160 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: is a lot more chaotic and loud then you know,

824
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: one person rule under the Emperor, there's gonna be a

825
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: lot of you knows, you allow voices to rise, there's

826
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of disagreements, and thus there are.

827
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: But it was like shocking to see how how unprepared

828
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: the New Republic is to impress the force of their

829
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: authority across the galaxy. I think that was one of

830
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: the most interesting things to me in that first three

831
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: episode arc.

832
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Aboo raises a great point, and he just

833
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: popped in the chat like what's the purpose of these

834
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 2: tales shorts? Like what are they thinking strategically here? Because

835
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 2: if a kid watches these, is this going to be

836
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 2: their entry point into Star Wars?

837
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: I'm not sure? Like is it for people like us

838
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 3: who want to see these things expanded on? What do

839
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 3: they do next?

840
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 2: We've had, you know, Tales of the Jedi, now we've

841
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: had Tales of the Empire. Are we going to get

842
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: a different space where we're sort of like Tales of

843
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: the Outer Rim? Like?

844
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: What what is the plan?

845
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: That's a great question, and I think it's this. I

846
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: think these stories these properties much like the Clone Wars before,

847
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: it is kind of like batting practice. Listen, what's the

848
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: thing that we didn't see in any of the May

849
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: the fourth News, New movie news. Really yeah, it's just

850
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: it's happening. It's just it's happening. But like all those

851
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: all those projects are in some stage of pre production, right,

852
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: meaning like no sets, no nothing concrete, and projects like

853
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: that go away often more often than not, you hear,

854
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: oh this this thing is in pre production. The you know,

855
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: the Game of Thrones prequel is in pre production, the

856
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: John snow a sequel is and then what happens those

857
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: things go away? They're looking to go back to the

858
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: box office in a big way, right, in a big way.

859
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: That's the missing piece right now for Star Wars. And

860
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: that's where Star Wars really really moves the needle as

861
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: a cultural force. You know, we love the Disney plus stuff.

862
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: A lot of people do, a lot of Star Wars

863
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: fans do, a lot of general nerd fans do, but

864
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: it's not the thing that moves the needle for Star

865
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Speaker 1: Wars as an ip and I think this is how

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Speaker 1: they find the storylines, the things that move the audience

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Speaker 1: that they can then say, okay, we have this, we

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Speaker 1: know this kind of works. How do we translate this

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Speaker 1: into whatever our next movie project? Is because that's what

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Speaker 1: they want to do, that's where they want to go

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Speaker 1: is get back to the box office.

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Speaker 3: I think that's such a great point. And also I

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Speaker 3: think that connected.

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Speaker 2: To that is that these are probably projects that got

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Speaker 2: green lit when they were trying to make so much

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Speaker 2: content on Disney Plus, so they might actually not necessarily

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Speaker 2: have a bigger plan for these outside of what you're saying,

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Speaker 2: which is like do these characters hit people are about?

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Speaker 2: What are they talking about? Almost a testing ground because

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Speaker 2: that first Star Wars movie needs to be a billion

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Speaker 2: dollar movie, especially with the delay. Yeah, I'm very interested

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Speaker 2: to see I mean, I wouldn't be surprised as much

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Speaker 2: as I want new stories in the Galaxy. The next

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Speaker 2: one will be Star Wars ten. It would be Star

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Speaker 2: Wars X, you know, episode ten. So I wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: surprised if we see a turn more towards something like

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Speaker 2: that as they get closer to deciding what the next

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Speaker 2: movie will be. But I'd love to see the weird

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Speaker 2: origins of the Force. I'm interested to see what they

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Speaker 2: do with the Jedi Academy. But yeah, I think you're

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Speaker 2: right on the number.

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Speaker 1: Then.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in this week's back matter, we're answering what is

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Speaker 2: the Star Wars Expanded Universe. I talk about it a

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Speaker 2: lot because I am a complete nerd who grew up

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Speaker 2: reading boxes of books from car boot sales, and many

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Speaker 2: of them were Star Wars Expanded un of us books.

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Speaker 2: It is now known as Legends, and it was for

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Speaker 2: many years a cannon space in Star Wars, which began

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Speaker 2: with a serialized adaptation of Star Wars that was released

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Speaker 2: six months before the movie.

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Speaker 3: Even came out.

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Speaker 2: Crazy, And then you had Splinter of the Mind's Eye,

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Speaker 2: which was seen as a potential sequel by their sci

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Speaker 2: fi legend Alan Deine Foster, and it was made so

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Speaker 2: that if the movie didn't do well enough, they could

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Speaker 2: adapt the book as a low budget sequel, and that

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Speaker 2: was kind of the origins of what would become the

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Speaker 2: Expanded Universe, and over years it would until twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 2: encompass hundreds and hundreds of books, comics, video games. There

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Speaker 2: was a big video game comic crossover that Dark Horse did.

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Speaker 2: You got some classics like Era of the Empire. That's

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Speaker 2: where Timothy Zhn's trilogy that began with that book that

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Speaker 2: ended up introducing Thraun Granddadmiral Thorn. You had Star Wars

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Speaker 2: Young Jedi Knights my favorite. That's where we learned about

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Speaker 2: Luke's nis and nephew and Lea's kids, Jason and Jane

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Speaker 2: are tales from Java's Palace, which was a short story book,

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Speaker 2: and that's where we learned that Boba Fett actually survived

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Speaker 2: something that we saw adapted directly in Book of Bobaffett

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Speaker 2: where he climbs out of the starleac pit's stomachs. And

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Speaker 2: then there were hundreds of books, many of them that

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Speaker 2: contained continuous storytelling, and basically anything that was written there

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Speaker 2: was considered canon, which meant we got some really cool stuff.

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Speaker 2: In two thousand and nine, there was a book by

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Speaker 2: Joe Schreiber called Death Troopers, which is a zombie stormtrooper

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Speaker 2: story kind of like Alien where they go on a

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Speaker 2: star destroyer that's abandoned in space and they find out

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Speaker 2: that there are these kind of zombie stormtroopers on there,

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Speaker 2: which was super cool. We also got a really great

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Speaker 2: Dark Plagis book where you can kind of learn about

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Speaker 2: you know, did you hear the story why the Wise,

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Speaker 2: Well now you can read it Why James Losno's book.

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Speaker 2: It's a really interesting, completely unique to Star Wars phenomenon

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Speaker 2: where they literally would just allow these stories to exist

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Speaker 2: in this kind of amorphous clinical space. And then when

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Speaker 2: Disney took over it, and in twenty fourteen they decanonized

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Speaker 2: it and now we know it as legends.

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Speaker 3: But Disney does still dip in and out.

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Speaker 2: Occasionally take they take the best bits exactly, They take

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Speaker 2: characters people love, and it is a really fun space.

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Speaker 2: The cool thing is you can you can go to Banzanoble,

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Speaker 2: you can buy some of these books as legends, like

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Speaker 2: the hand Solo Adventures. But if you just go to

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Speaker 2: any thrift store, any second hand bookshop, you can likely

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Speaker 2: find more of those old strange store about Princess Leiah

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Speaker 2: getting married, about you know, weird creatures who live on

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Speaker 2: the edge of the galaxy and who Hans Solo must

948
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Speaker 2: go and steal from because that's just what he does.

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Speaker 2: It's a completely wild sci fi space and I'm so

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Speaker 2: glad it still exists. And that is what the Star

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Speaker 2: Wars Expanded Universe is, or if you hear someone talking

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Speaker 2: about Star Wars Legends, that is what.

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Speaker 3: They are referring to.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Rosie.

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Speaker 2: Every episode we like to end the show with a

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Speaker 2: fast moving segment this time, we're doing Who's Who with

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Speaker 2: our favorite weird characters from the Star Wars Expanded Universe.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to go first? Should I go first? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Go for it? Okay, My I don't know a favorite,

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Speaker 1: but I think one of my most interesting weirdos is

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to pronounce this stuff a lot

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Speaker 1: of the times. Okay, so if I'm wrong, I apologize.

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Speaker 1: Kudar move Bat from from nineteen ninety eight The Mandalorian Armor.

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Speaker 1: Kudar Mubat is a like space spider of the Assembler species.

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Speaker 1: They basically like create little like arachnid drone nodes, and

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Speaker 1: this is the only one I think like this is

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Speaker 1: the most evolved member of its species. Kudar Mubat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the name. That's like such a Star

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Speaker 3: Wars name. I mean, there's so many.

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Speaker 2: I have many favorite characters from the Star Wars Expanding Universe,

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Speaker 2: like Jason and Jayna mar Jay all these different, but

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Speaker 2: my favorite weird character is Jackson with two exes Jacksons. Oh,

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Speaker 2: and who is like a cool green Bunnie who has

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Speaker 2: two pistols and is in the Star Wars comics from

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Speaker 2: the seventies and eighties.

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Speaker 3: The Marvel comics, and he is.

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Speaker 2: Like a very weird bounty hunter green bunny who flies

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Speaker 2: through space and has a group called the star Hoppers

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Speaker 2: and they just do like super weird Guardians of the

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Speaker 2: Galaxy esque adventures and it's very.

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Speaker 3: Good and I love Jackson.

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Speaker 2: And that is just like one of those great weird

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Speaker 2: things about the Star Wars expanded Universe, which you know

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Speaker 2: encompasses hundreds and hundreds of books and comics, is you

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Speaker 2: get these.

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Speaker 3: Really joyous little moments and weirdos.

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Speaker 1: Like both of our favorites. That's right, because the galaxy

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Speaker 1: is so huge, Rosie, the main takeaway from this episode

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Speaker 1: today and that is it for our show, Rosie, I

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Speaker 1: had a great time.

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Speaker 3: I had a great time too. I'm so happy we

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Speaker 3: got to talk Star Wars and I'm so excited about

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Speaker 3: all the new Star Wars stuff that we're gonna keep

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Speaker 3: getting to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: With that, see y'all next time. Bye. X ray Vision

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Speaker 1: is hosted by Jason Getupsion and Rosie Nighte and is

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers are Joelle

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Speaker 1: Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer is a Boo Zafar.

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Speaker 1: Our producers are Carmen Laurent and Mia Taylor. Our theme

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Speaker 1: song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 2: and Heidi Our disco moderata