WEBVTT - LIT 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:16.239 Carola. She's the queen of talking. He was sown. She's 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:19.400 on the side. You got the snoop on on the 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:28.360 on side. No one can do with Clie Carola Carola. 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:36.320 No one can do with quiet like Carola Carolina. Hey, y'all, 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.800 welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby. I am your host, Caroline Hobby. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.519 I know music, I know people, and I know the 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.440 questions do you want to ask? So let's get Hyper 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.479 heads up. These are adults having adult conversations, so there 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:54.240 could be adult content. Hey, y'all, thanks for tuning into Hyper. 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:59.080 This week is Lit. They are a huge rock band. 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:00.639 They had some of the big gets hit I think 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:02.560 one of the longest number ones of all time. It 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:05.720 went twelve weeks My own Worst Enemy, and they were 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.480 eaten by Pamla Anderson. If you're gonna get eaten by someone, 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.080 it might as well be Pamla Anderson. So please welcome 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.839 A J and Jeremy pop off from the band Lit. 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.600 Hey guys, Hi, Hello, So I'm here with the pop 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:23.160 Off Brothers. Introduce yourselves the pop Off Brothers. Pop Off 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.800 it does, it's very um. It catches your attention. Pop 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.160 Off like popping Off and Lit have become too popular 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:35.200 terms in pop culture these days, so we're about years 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.919 ahead of our time. What does pop off mean? And uh, 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:42.680 pop culture like popping off? Like I don't know, one 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.000 of the reality shows A Girl was just like pop off, 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:52.720 pop off perfect. So where are we right now? What 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:54.880 is this awesome venue that we're sitting in in Nashville? 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:59.520 This is the Redneck Social Club Okay, management Headquarters, which 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:03.680 is awesome. It's like a bar, a dance hall. It's 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.760 kind of like in a cool like street crid kind 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.160 of location to sort of stripped down music venue. You know, 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.239 had the party vibe. Do you guys throw some parties 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.920 in here with a new couple? Yeah, okay, we had 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.080 after age over there and bands get up and jam 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:20.840 and we've got to find a clip to throw in 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:24.119 right here. Of the karaoke that took place, I don't 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.120 know if it was carried. It was sort of like 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:30.560 an American audition. It was amazing. Was everybody sober doing this? 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:36.280 So it sounded great. So I want to start off 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:40.280 with a little rapid fire first off, Well, actually I 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.080 want you to describe yourself, but I want to rapid 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.160 fire first. What is the coolest venue that you guys 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:46.840 have ever played. You guys are in the band lit. 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.120 For everyone's listening, Jeremy and a j pop off there 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.919 in the band Lit. They're founding members. They're also brothers. 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:58.120 Then they're also amazing. Coolest venue you've ever played, man, 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.639 I'd see some of the European festival balls we've done, 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:06.600 just like fields of people. That's insane. So I mean 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.679 that's I guess that's not really a venue. But Red 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:14.480 Rocks in Denver pretty breathtaking. Um, it's very pretty. We've 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.280 played some amazing, little tiny places and some amazing The 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.560 first we played um Baltimore Raven Stadium. That was like 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:22.320 our first huge show that we ever played, and that 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:26.680 was like, you know, impressionable day because we had never 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:29.760 played in front of it, played in something that big before, 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.120 so that was kind of gnarly. And we made it 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.560 messed us up to because we were on the big 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:36.760 screen on the other side of the football field and 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:38.920 so there was a delay. So I was like doing 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.520 my rock pose and and I saw the screen and 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.160 my hands were in a different place than they were 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.720 on the neck. Totally messed me up. Yeah, I learned 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.080 to not look at those screens after that. Oh yeah, 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.040 it was it a bad mess up. I mean, it's 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.400 always weird just seeing a giant version of yourself too. 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.480 You just kind of want to keep looking in. It's 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:02.080 very distracting. That is true, Okay, weirdest thing you've ever 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:07.760 seen on the road. We're just saying, maybe like we're 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.600 you know when after after party like meat and Greek stuff. 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:15.880 I'm autographed a glass eyeball before and I pull this 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.360 guy pulled his eye out and had us he want 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:20.760 us to sign his glass eye. That's weird. Ship, that's 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:24.839 so weird. I think when you are when you're a 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:29.000 band touring your first time out, so many things are 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.080 weird because you're in so many new places and you're 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.640 meeting new people, and you know, the food is different 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:38.440 or the cities look different and um, and then after 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.360 a while, like none of it's weird anymore. It's kind 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:43.200 of all normal. So that's true. Once you've seen so much, 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:50.440 just like anything goes. Favorite country you've been to, Japan 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:55.560 I think is my favorite. Why because for me, I'm 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.479 not a big fan of flying. I'm not afraid of flying, 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.440 I'm just I'm not a fan of sitting down in 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.840 a chair for fourteen hours. So if I'm going to 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:06.520 go through all that paint and agony of being locked 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.320 up for that long, when I get off that plane, 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.760 I want to be somewhere that's like another planet. Um. 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.760 You know, when you fly from New York to Frankfurt, Germany, 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:17.760 you got to play and you're like, this looks kind 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:20.320 of like anywhere in America, you know. But when you 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.599 get to Japan, you know, you're in a front in 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.839 a foreign country and it's and it's very modern and cool. 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:30.760 And I love the food, I love the culture. That's awesome. 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.520 What about you, a j I would probably stay Japan 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.400 as well, I mean just because it's you know, if 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.719 you're gonna travel, um. So, I think there's so many, 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:40.840 so many parts of Europe that just feels like it 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.000 kind of feels like the East Coast or something. You know, 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.360 it's not not super um I don't know, you know, 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:50.159 like a traveling really, but I think Holland, like the 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.920 Netherlands and those places where it's just so clean and 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:57.839 tidy and you know that everything's like compartmentalized, and yeah, 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:01.279 I love I love that part of the world. Okay, 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:07.839 who are else biggest biggest musical influences man all over 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.240 the place. For us, that's always band. You know, grew 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.440 up on heavy metal music, so you know, Maiden and 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.840 Judas Priest and all. That's all the It's almost like 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.760 you gotta pick a decade because definitely the biggest influence 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.440 on our childhood was probably heavy metal, but the biggest 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:28.760 influence in our um songwriting probably be like more like 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:37.360 Elvis Costello or the Eagles, Don Henley, um um and uh. 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.280 But you know, as a guitar player, Boston I love. 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.080 So it's like if you threw a year out or 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.039 a decade out, I could probably name a handful that 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.400 it's we're still influenced by. You know, it's two thousand 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.560 and sixteen and there's still people that influence us. You know. 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.320 But we were born in the seventies and our dad 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.480 was on the radio and he'd bring home albums and 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.400 so we we were little kids, we didn't know what 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:04.360 was what was pop or rock or or metal or country. 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:09.760 We liked Kenny Rogers and the Cars and Van Halen 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.640 and Dolly Parton. You know, this was all stuff that 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.600 we had in our living room on vinyl. So um, 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:23.040 there's so many. Elvis definitely do both of them. I'm 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:24.640 actually I want to get I'm gonna get a tattoo, 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.440 and I think one of our friends, I can't remember 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.200 whose idea it was, but I think I'm gonna I'm 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.280 gonna steal it before someone gets it. But it's the 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:34.360 playing card with Elvis Presley and Elvis Costello, the king, 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:38.400 you know, kings of both sides. Speaking of tattoos, you 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:42.920 guys both have full sleeves that are amazing. Yeah, gotta 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:46.120 finish this one, but thank you. What is your favorite 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.440 tattoo and what is your least favorite tattoo that you 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:52.080 guys have on your arms. I think for me, my 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:56.360 favorite is probably our my tribute to al Bigal, our 0:07:56.440 --> 0:08:01.480 drummer who we lost. Um that's my Alno tattoo. But um, 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.360 my least favorite is probably my my leg tattoo, my 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.800 first one. It's like a tribal I don't know what 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:09.720 the hell it is, but it's ugly. It's the only 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:11.520 one I think i'd cover up. I've got someone, you know, 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.320 tattoos that are kind of silly that I'm like, I 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.560 wouldn't get that again, but I wouldn't cover them up 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.240 with that leg. When I will, I'll cover it. Not 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.920 a fan. Okay, well everyone makes a first mistake, but 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:22.720 I don't show my legs very often anyway. It's like 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:29.240 you should, right, chicken leg. Thank you that I get 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:33.920 a tattoo have a chicken bone on it. I do 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.040 have a leg tattoo that has a similar story. It's 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.200 my first one. And you guys both did like tattoos 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.360 for the first time. I don't know why when we 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.200 were when we were a teenage and we were like 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:46.280 eighteen nineteen with our first tattoos, and back then it 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.880 was like a big commitment. You know, um, you know, 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.680 you could start here, but if you could see it 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.760 from your sleeve, it was gonna be harder to get jobs. 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.040 And we already had long hair, so it's already hard 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.600 enough to to, you know, find jobs that would deal 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.560 with our band in our lifestyle. And so that was 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.920 like and then if you went below the elbow was like, 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:10.200 oh wow, and drop security. Now kids are starting on 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:12.080 their neck. You'll see like you know, you see these 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.719 kids and they're literally their first tattoo was like the 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:16.720 whole front of their throat and they take your shirt 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:20.960 off and they get nothing else, but um, I don't know. 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:25.360 I went down to the hand recently, and so that 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:27.719 is an everyday reminder that it's going to be very 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.240 hard for me to ever put a suit on and 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.559 go work in the corporate world. So but maybe that's 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:36.240 kind of why you did it, And yeah, I never 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.000 probably would anyways, but it's a daily reminder that I 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:42.480 have to go out and kick ass because I can't. 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:44.559 I don't have a backup option now to just put 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.400 a suit on and go work at a wherever. Right. Yeah, 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:51.319 now you got a hand really pretty much security, all 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.440 sugar skull, and it's got black diamonds and eyes, which 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:59.880 sort of that ring. Um, so yeah, it was that 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:07.080 under what Okay, so let's start at the beginning. You 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:08.960 guys are brothers. Jeremy, how much older are you than 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.480 a j Two years? Okay, So you guys formed this 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:16.840 first band called Razzle when a j You were fourteen, 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:21.400 Jeremy you were sixteen. Well when I was The band 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.680 formed around them, but I was a drummer at the time. 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.079 I know you switched to singing. How did that was? 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.199 When I was sixteen? I started singing because you kuldn't 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.960 find a singer that was, you know, half decent um, 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.400 So I yeah, I said I'll give a shot. So 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:39.160 you did not originally want to sing, you know, I 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.920 just I love drums and I never really thought about, 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:44.959 you know, one instrument. Our grandfather was a drummer, jazz musician, 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.400 so that was I was exposed to that and had 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:49.680 access to his drum kid, and it was the first 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:53.040 instrument I learned how to play. Um. And then I 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.600 think it's just after playing a show as a drummer, 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.160 I just realized that was I didn't want to be 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:00.520 cooped up behind a kid. Run for you, free like 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.120 the bird that you are. Okay, so you switched the singing. 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.480 And then Jeremy, you are in the band as guitar. 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:11.360 You played lead guitar, and you're also the original band 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:14.680 members Kevin, Sean and Alan. You are together the whole 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.000 time you formed Razzle and stayed together through lit the 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.440 whole time. Seawan didn't. And when we started out, I 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:22.240 was actually in a couple of other bands. When I 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.319 was sixteen, I dropped out of high school as a 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:29.880 junior to pursue my rock and roll dreams, and um, 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.480 they were doing the Razzle thing, and then we all 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.600 kind of about a year or two later we all 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.440 joined up, and so there was a fifth member guitar 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:42.360 player in the early days and then um and then 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.800 it was just me, A, J, Kevin and al for 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:49.240 twenty years. So that's a huge dedication to stay through 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.600 all the changing of the band names, the changing of 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.600 the record labels, all of your musical evolution. Y'all never 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:59.320 broke up. Don't you think that sort of brayer it is? Yeah, extremely, 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.600 I mean there it's weird, is something about I feel 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.120 like a lot of Orange County bands have stayed together 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.000 for for a really long time. I don't know if 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:11.440 it's maybe it's just a culture that you know that's 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:16.800 so cal kind of um, I don't know, people, it 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.160 was family for us. So and you guys never had 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.800 another option of another job, Like you're like, we're being 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:23.600 a van or sticking to it because sometimes people are 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.000 scared to commit to van that you have to, man, 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.640 I think it's just like anything career wise, you know, 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.280 it's just no backup plan. That was the best way 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.199 spending the entertainment period. You've got to have and you 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:38.319 got to devote yourself. We would always have very menial 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.920 jobs just to make just enough to let cover studio 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:46.160 rent for band practice and gas in the car for gigs, 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.440 and whatever money we made at the gigs we would 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.600 put back into the band to make flyers or print 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.600 CDs or cassettes or stickers, and um, we were pretty 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:59.080 relentless guerilla marketers. You know. This is with you know, 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.000 before social media and that kind of stuff. So our 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:06.360 social media was us being socially active. And we would 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:10.040 just go out to multiple bars, multiple concerts, multiple anywhere 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:11.920 where there was people hanging out that we thought might 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:13.960 like what we were doing. We would go there with 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.600 piles of stuff to give them, and we'd stand outside 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:19.840 of shows and just give them and we and and 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.600 that worked really um because we were you know, by 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.800 the time we got a record deal, we were is 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:28.640 that what got to the record deal, just going out 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.480 and hustling. And Razzle was your first record deal with 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:34.400 you know, we never had a record deal with Razzle. 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.600 It switched to Stain. Stain. Yeah, but then there's another 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.920 band called Stain, So you came up with Lit, which 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:41.560 I love the name let It was the name of 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.559 the first album, so it was the band was Stained. 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.040 The album is called lit. I didn't have a record. 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.480 We got signed to, Yeah, a hip hop label called 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.360 Delicious Vinyl. It was Malicious Vinyl was there, like you know, 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:58.280 wicked step child for the rock stuff. Okay, it's a 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.880 Delicious Vinyl. So they had like they had Tone Loc 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.360 and they had Young MC and they had the Far 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.680 Side and UM they were like a really cool especially 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:13.280 now looking back, they're a really cool, credible UM hip 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.360 hop label. And but they had this couple of crazy 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.280 dudes that worked there that were really into rock and roll, 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.440 and so they convinced them to UM let them sign 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.720 a couple of rock bands. And so that was like 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.280 and we were in a bar in San Diego in 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:31.360 front of like nine people and they were like two 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:35.960 of the nine people and it turned But how did 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.720 you guys change from Razzle? Why did you all dump 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:42.400 Razzle the name? I think it's a lot of it 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.520 was just the evolution of the band's we've been together 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.880 that long, you kind of you grow. We were just 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.120 little kids when we started the first one M and 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:50.800 we just changed, we kind of outgrew it. It was 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.640 it just felt too high school. Yeah, it was a 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:59.720 little too bright for us about not that sweet we 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.040 were changing, music was changing. Everything was just kind of 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.080 we we you know, I think with any artist, the 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:06.920 more you do it, and as you start doing it 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.320 for longer, you you start to figure out what it 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.440 is that you want to do, you know, start more 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:16.080 heavy metal, fish or heavy. Right. Well, we were all 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.120 over the place here, like we still are kind of 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.720 we We were never afraid to get really heavy or 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:25.000 to get really um emotional and and sad. You know, 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.000 we were always kind of pushing it a little farther 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.880 in either direction. And I think when we started to 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.080 have some success that we started to kind of focus 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:33.640 it in a little bit more on what we felt 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:38.320 we were the best at. What is the best I 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:42.720 don't know. I'm still trying to figure it out. We 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.360 geek out on on songwriting. We just we love to, 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.040 you know. Once we started collaborating with other writers, it's 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:53.360 sort of exposed us and opened us up to um, 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:57.160 you know, just not limiting ourselves and and always being 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.440 open to kind of evolved and let it happen. And 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.360 if it felt I thought right, we just would always 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.680 go with it. So, you know, if you listen from 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.080 from one album to the next, we've kind of constantly 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.080 changed a little bit, and uh, what's the underlying theme 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.000 though that connects all the records. Well, I mean we're 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:15.800 we like to drink and we like to like a 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.000 good time. Yeah, I don't know that. We kind of 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:20.760 think I think lits more of an energy for us. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.560 It's always We've always been kind of lumped into that. 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.320 We've had, in the beginning a lot of stoner followers 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:29.080 and people, and we're you know, well, we also had 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.800 the guy who directed our very first video. Um, when 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.360 he after the show and he saw us play live, 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.080 he said, and this is when we were still called staining. 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.360 He said, um, seeing you guys live as like watching 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.960 a bomb go off in a building, and so we 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.520 were thinking, that's kind of cool. Bomb fuse lit, like 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.080 getting ready to explode, like that kind of thing. So 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.360 it's just the worst. It sucks. I hope I don't 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:55.640 ever have to do that again. Oh man. I mean 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.200 the process of that is exhausting. And then you find 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:01.040 when you like like staining and you realize it's taken. 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.000 But I think I'm glad you'll moved on. Yeah, I think, 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.960 I think And actually, well, the funny story about that 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:15.040 is that staining the band Staying or Stained a Lewis Music. 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:17.200 They got sued by the same guy we got sued 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.000 by when we were called staining. But the difference was 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.760 we were like f you to the guy and they 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:23.600 were like, all right, we'll pay you. So those guys 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.679 actually paid the guy off. And you know, oh, I 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.240 thought it was Aaron Lewis's band that was the stain 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.119 of the problems and it was like a writer for 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:35.840 Thrasher magazine or something sitting on the name. So what 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:37.680 was it like? You guys have been playing since you're 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.199 like teenagers. Now you get this first record of what happens? Now, 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.000 what is your life looking like? I mean after the 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:44.800 first record deal, not a whole lot change. You know, 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:48.119 we just kept doing what we were doing and actually 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:49.800 had copies of the record to sell. You know, I 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.120 guess that was a difference, but still like self promoting 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:54.879 or was the record lea well helping? They helped a 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.400 little bit. I mean what printed posters and the first 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.720 deal was very am and we would go up to Hollywood, 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.520 um to three times a week and go in the 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.480 mail room and stuff envelopes and stuff, you know, and 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.000 um use their copy or to print stuff and just 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.320 we would try to do everything we could take advantage 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.760 of whatever resources that there were. But I mean, the real, 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.359 the real beginning for us was when our c A 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:24.119 got a copy of My Worst Enemy. And it was 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.280 weird how it happened because they had already passed on us, 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.080 like two or three times. Did you make that with 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.960 Malicious Delicious? So you guys were out of your Delicious 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:35.359 Delicious yea, and now you're a free agent. So that 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.800 kind of just dissolved over time. It was a great 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.320 launching point, but it kind of dissolved. Honestly, I don't 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.840 even remember that. We may have still been with them, 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:44.400 and I think they probably just let us go because 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:46.000 they saw and it would be better for us and 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:48.600 it would remember all the details then, but that I 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:50.879 made a new album after that deal. We did some 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.960 demos and on that on that demo was My Worst 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:58.359 Enemy Miserable Day. They were like, yeah, two top five 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.560 hits on out of four songs got passed on. Everybody 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:06.600 passed on that. So funny how the music. Yeah, but 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:09.680 the whole thing is our manager um at the time, 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:11.720 rudas A. Petty's her name was on the CD with 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:14.959 her phone number, and radio promo rep at our ci 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.760 A recognized her name from a college that they went 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.000 to in Michigan together, like years passed and he was like, WHOA, 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:22.600 no way, So he took it into his office and 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.080 put it in and he flipped out over that song 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.560 and then he went to yeah, so he went down 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:29.560 the hall. It was just a weird thing. And then 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.080 the next thing, it happened really fast after that. We 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:36.240 went from they heard it, they wanted it. We signed 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.440 with them. We were in the studio like two weeks later, 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.520 and then we finished the record right before Christmas time. 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:45.000 And then January second, Kai Rock started playing My Horst 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:46.800 Enemy and it was actually a station that started playing 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.119 the demo and we had to like they had to 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.080 send him a season desist better because it was it 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.240 was a demo version and we weren't anywhere near close 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:56.000 to you know, ready to release. So it was one 0:19:56.000 --> 0:20:00.320 of those crazy things. Just isn't that those stories crazy? 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.440 Because you've now been an issue, why like five ten years? 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.439 Really doing it at this point over ten years and 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.280 it feels like that's magical, like someone randomly gets your 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:11.760 CD and then you get a record deal. But there's 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:15.800 ten years of like custling developing, but then that's just 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:17.560 true lucky break. That's the kind of stories that are 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.080 crazy because it's really like ten years of hard work 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:25.000 but then finally something. It's Yeah, the stars eventually have 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:28.000 to kind of align in your favor totally. I mean, 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.159 because there's too many people. And I didn't used to 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:34.440 believe that. Fifteen years ago. People would say, oh, there's 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:36.240 so many talents of people that never make it, and 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.440 I would always kind of felt at that time, like, well, no, 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:41.639 there's something missing, Like they might be talented, but they 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.359 don't they don't have anything for people to invest in, 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:46.919 Like they don't have a vibe or an image, or 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:48.680 the show sucks, or they're great in the studio or 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.080 their four vice versa. They're they're great performers, but they 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.479 don't write great songs. Or I always just felt like 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.960 there must be some piece that's missing otherwise why aren't 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.280 you making it? So you believe that if all the 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:01.679 pieces are too other, you will eventually make it. I 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.560 used to believe That's why I started coming to Nashville, 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:07.680 and then I've actually seen a lot of people get 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:11.200 kind of overlooked. But do you think it eventually comes 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.520